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153. Emily DiDonato, Model & Co-Founder of Covey · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: I think we are all our toughest critics.
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Speaker 2: You know, we speak to ourselves in a way that
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Speaker 2: we would never speak to anyone else, like a friend,
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Speaker 2: a family member. And I think at those times that
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Speaker 2: all I did was beat myself up and like, wonder
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Speaker 2: why I was so sad and like felt so out
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Speaker 2: of sorts. So I think the main key thing would be, like,
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Speaker 2: you need to find ways to be kinder to yourself,
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Speaker 2: like mentally, physically and emotionally.
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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, Emily Abadi here bringing you episode one fifty
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Speaker 4: For today's episode, I am.
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Speaker 3: So amped understatement to be chatting with Emily Didonado. Beyond
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Speaker 3: being my personal style inspiration and a model, Emily is
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Speaker 3: the founder of a new skincare brand called Covey, as
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Speaker 3: well as a body positivity advocate. In today's episode, we
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Speaker 3: chat about her journey to self acceptance and the roller
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Speaker 3: coaster that was getting into modeling after being scouted in
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Speaker 3: a Connecticut mall. She talks to me about struggling with
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Speaker 3: her size early on, spending hours on end at the gym,
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Speaker 3: and eating apple slices trying to be quote unquote.
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Speaker 4: The right fit.
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Speaker 3: She details one hurdle moment in particular with a makeup
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Speaker 3: her to do away with restrictive behavior and embrace her body,
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Speaker 3: empowering others to do the same.
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Speaker 4: She talks me through the evolution of her career, including big.
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Speaker 3: Big, big opportunities with companies like Maybeleine and Chanel and
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Speaker 3: finding to be super exciting.
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Speaker 1: Today.
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Speaker 3: I'm sitting down with Emily Didonado. She is a model.
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Speaker 3: She's also the co founder of Covey, newly launched How you.
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Speaker 1: Doing, m Hi, I am doing well. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for having me. I'm super excited.
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Speaker 4: I'm super excited too. Okay, I have a confession.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to call out one of my best friends
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Speaker 3: right off the bat here Kara was so geeked. We
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Speaker 3: send each other your Instagram style videos because we're both
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Speaker 3: working on our style game.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god. And when this inbox, when.
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Speaker 3: This email landed in my inbox, like you should chat
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Speaker 3: with Emily Didonado, And I was like, no brainer.
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Speaker 4: Will she come here and get me dressed first?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I'm also always working on my style game. But
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Speaker 2: I feel really flattered that that was helping anyone at all.
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Speaker 3: And you know what I love about your style is
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Speaker 3: that it's just like I feel like as a woman,
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Speaker 3: I'm in my early thirties. Okay, thirty two is early thirties, Yes,
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Speaker 3: absolutely right. I feel like sometimes you're like, am I
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Speaker 3: in my mid thirties now? Okay, as a woman in
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Speaker 3: my early thirties, I just feel like you've got the
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Speaker 3: basics on lock.
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm going for.
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Speaker 2: Am, That's always what I'm going for as well. Like
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Speaker 2: trends come and go, I'm like, I'm all about mastering
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Speaker 2: the basics in all things in life. I'm like, how
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Speaker 2: I need this to look good now and I needed
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Speaker 2: to look good in ten years from now, Like what's
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Speaker 2: going to work? I'll play with trends a little, but like,
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Speaker 2: you don't want to be a fashion victim.
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Speaker 4: You know you don't want to be a fashion victim?
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Speaker 3: Now? You say that now, But we're going to get
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Speaker 3: into your backstory. I know that growing up you have
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Speaker 3: said before that you didn't really feel like you had
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Speaker 3: any strong sense of style.
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Speaker 4: So talk to me about Talk to me about growing
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Speaker 4: up in upstate New York and what that was like
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Speaker 4: for you. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean I grew up like an hour and a
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Speaker 2: half north of Manhattan, and it was like a working
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Speaker 2: class town, a lot of commuters. It wasn't a fashion
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Speaker 2: forward town. I'll tell you that. People always think because
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Speaker 2: I'm from New York, They're like, oh, you must have
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Speaker 2: went to the city all the time. I'm like, no,
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Speaker 2: that was just not the case. We didn't do that.
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Speaker 2: So my fashion inspiration, you know, it was slim. I
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Speaker 2: just wore I went through every single phase that I
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Speaker 2: think now we're all millennials, you know, ug boots and
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Speaker 2: many layers of tank tops and many skinny jeans. Like
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Speaker 2: I did all the millennial things and my I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: say that. I even started focusing on my style and
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Speaker 2: actually really trying to develop personal style until I got
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Speaker 2: closer to thirty, where I was like, wait, I actually
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Speaker 2: like want to find out, like identify what my key
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Speaker 2: pieces are, what's my wardrobe, what's the go to, how
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Speaker 2: do I look put together at all times?
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Speaker 1: And like what does that look like for me?
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Speaker 3: Okay, So before I keep diving into your backstory. The
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Speaker 3: next follow up question would be what are the key pieces?
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Speaker 2: So I think for me, it's like you have to
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Speaker 2: find like your denim. For me, like finding the perfect
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Speaker 2: piece of denim, like what it is. I just buy
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Speaker 2: the exact same genes in multiple colors, because I'm not
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Speaker 2: about experimenting and finding my gene my silhouette, like figure
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Speaker 2: out what that is A really great blazer for me.
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Speaker 2: It's also like really great flattering body suits, like basic colors, blacks, whites, neutrals.
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Speaker 2: And I always invest in accessories, so belts, bags and shoes.
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Speaker 2: I think if you're going to invest in something like
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Speaker 2: those really great basics, I think are key.
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Speaker 3: I know, and we'll talk a little bit about this,
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Speaker 3: but you are big on the body positivity movement. So
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Speaker 3: when I hear you talk about finding your Goldilock's pair
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Speaker 3: of jeans, I would be remiss if I didn't say that.
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Speaker 3: As someone who has certainly been up and down on
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Speaker 3: the scale, been all over the place with her way.
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Speaker 3: Even now feeling really confident and happy in my body,
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Speaker 3: I still have this like mind block when it comes
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Speaker 3: to buying good jeens.
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Speaker 4: Did you ever struggle with that?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like even going into a dressing room
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Speaker 2: to this day like gives me energy that I just
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Speaker 2: do not need or want. Like, yeah, I think finding
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Speaker 2: the perfect pair of genes is hard. Also, I'd be
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Speaker 2: lying if I didn't say that I tailor some of
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Speaker 2: my genes too, to make sure that they fit like
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Speaker 2: really really perfectly. Also a really great investment of just
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Speaker 2: time and energy. But yeah, Also like post pandemic or
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Speaker 2: like where we are right now, I'm like my jene
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Speaker 2: size is different now, my silhouette is different now, Like
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Speaker 2: what I used to wear like two years ago now
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Speaker 2: is like so different. And even come to terms with
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Speaker 2: that is not easy, even as someone who like I
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Speaker 2: really try to embrace like where my body's at, you know,
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Speaker 2: where are we at in the world, Like where am
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Speaker 2: I at?
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Speaker 1: Emotionally?
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Speaker 2: Like my size is going to change and fluctuate, but
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Speaker 2: you're show like, well, damn, I'm not a twenty seven anymore.
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Speaker 4: Back Damn, Oh my god.
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Speaker 3: I remember the first time that I learned like twenty seven,
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Speaker 3: twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty, et cetera, like what all
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Speaker 3: those sizes meant. And I was like I had enough
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Speaker 3: to struggle when I was younger, like dealing with a
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Speaker 3: sixteen and now you're going to double that on me.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 2: And then when I go on like shopping on Netaport
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Speaker 2: or something, and I'm like a size like fourteen in
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Speaker 2: the UK, I'm like, you know what, just.
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Speaker 4: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Okay.
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Speaker 3: So, growing up about an hour and a half north
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Speaker 3: of New York City in Upstate New York, I know
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Speaker 3: that when you were was at sixteen or seventeen, that's
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Speaker 3: when a model scout.
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Speaker 4: Found you in a Connecticut mall.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is correct.
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Speaker 2: So I was scouted in a mall in Connecticut, and
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Speaker 2: then shortly after that I signed with an agency in
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Speaker 2: New York. And then my modeling career pitched up like
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Speaker 2: pretty quickly after that. I was working like within a
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Speaker 2: week of being signed with Ralph Lauren and then yeah,
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Speaker 2: my life changed like very very quickly.
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Speaker 3: When you were younger, did you envision being a model?
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Speaker 3: Were you the kind of girl that had the magazines
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Speaker 3: at home? Did you cut out the pictures and make
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Speaker 3: a vision board? Like where were you at?
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it a vision board, but I definitely did.
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Speaker 2: I liked fashion and I liked the glamor of fashion.
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Speaker 2: I would say, like I cut out all the pieces,
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Speaker 2: Like I remember all of my binders and notebooks were
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Speaker 2: like plastered with like covers and ads.
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Speaker 1: Like I loved that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that I was thinking of it
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Speaker 2: as a vision board then but maybe now actually it
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Speaker 2: kind of was. It actually never reflected on that, but
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Speaker 2: like you know, growing up, people would tell me that
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Speaker 2: I should be a model and stuff like that, but
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Speaker 2: I feel like I wasn't someone who was like, that's
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Speaker 2: not information that you take and like run with and
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Speaker 2: you're like, you know what, you're right, let me just
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Speaker 2: go be a model like I was. I had no
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Speaker 2: idea how to even begin with that kind of journey.
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Speaker 2: Like it was just like a really great compliment. But
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Speaker 2: then when I was scouted, I was like very interested
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Speaker 2: in that opportunity, and you know, I was kind of
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Speaker 2: like I didn't know where I was at in my life.
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Speaker 2: I was supposed to be applying to colleges. I was
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Speaker 2: applying to colleges. All of my friends were like we
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Speaker 2: were in that zone when this was picking up for me.
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Speaker 2: So I had to make a tough decision, like was
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Speaker 2: I going to go away to college. Was I going
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Speaker 2: to pursue this full time? So obviously I made the
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Speaker 2: decision to pursue a full time, which I'm glad that
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Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't know if it was the
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Speaker 2: right decision at the time for sure.
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Speaker 4: Of course, of course.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's a big decision, especially to take on
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Speaker 3: at that age for you. Aside from being a little overwhelmed,
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Speaker 3: where were your parents at with this decision?
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Speaker 2: I felt like I have to give my parents props.
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Speaker 2: I feel like they did a good job being as
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Speaker 2: neutral as possible. And you know, my parents didn't go
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Speaker 2: to college, my brother did, so like they weren't like
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Speaker 2: this is absolutely you must do this in order to survive,
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Speaker 2: like go away to school. I feel like maybe some
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Speaker 2: other families or parents would be like, this is the
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Speaker 2: only way.
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Speaker 1: And I think they were.
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Speaker 2: Excited that I was excited by the opportunity, but they
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Speaker 2: really did let me steer that ship. But it had
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Speaker 2: its downfalls, you know, like when I first moved to
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Speaker 2: Manhattan and I all my friends were a way at college.
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to age myself by saying this, but
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Speaker 2: it was when Facebook was getting really big and everyone
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Speaker 2: was posting albums of like every single minute of their nights.
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Speaker 2: And I remember being like, wow, I'm like alone in
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Speaker 2: New York City and like studio apartment, like getting ready
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Speaker 2: to go to work tomorrow, and all my friends are
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Speaker 2: like raging their faces off at college. Like I don't
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Speaker 2: know if I made the right decision. I feel really
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Speaker 2: lonely and confused. But like I said, of course, like
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Speaker 2: reflecting now, you're.
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Speaker 1: Like, no, it's good.
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Speaker 4: Good decision, good decision.
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Speaker 3: First impressions, When you moved to New York, What was
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Speaker 3: that experience like for you?
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Speaker 4: Where were you? Where were you living?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved.
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Speaker 2: So when I first moved to New York, I moved
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Speaker 2: down into like the Soho grunged village area, and I
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Speaker 2: was like in the heart of NYU, which I thought
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Speaker 2: that was a smart decision because I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'll be around kids my age.
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Speaker 1: Well, if you don't really have any common.
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Speaker 2: Classes or ways to like talk to all these college kids,
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Speaker 2: like I found it really hard to make friends and
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Speaker 2: make connections. And you know, moving to New York as
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Speaker 2: a model, like you do get a lot of inbound
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Speaker 2: like people wanting to like hang out with you or connect,
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Speaker 2: but they're not necessarily like the best people.
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Speaker 4: I would say.
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Speaker 2: Also as a model, you know, I would go to work,
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Speaker 2: but you rarely see the same face twice, meaning you
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Speaker 2: would go to work and meet someone great, but you know,
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Speaker 2: your freelance, like I would work with different people almost
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Speaker 2: every day, so I wasn't really having like this consistency
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Speaker 2: to make new friends or like create deep relationships. Eventually
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Speaker 2: I started to, like a year or two later, you know,
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Speaker 2: you meet like one person who knows a lot of people,
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Speaker 2: who's like a great connector, or you know, you start socializing.
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Speaker 2: My first year or two here, I would say it
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Speaker 2: was incredibly lonely. It's a tough place to like connect
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Speaker 2: with people. I would say, even though there's so many
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Speaker 2: people here, good.
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Speaker 3: On you to know enough to strategically choose who you
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Speaker 3: spent your time with. Because on that note of John, like,
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Speaker 3: it's easy to get sucked into the wrong crowds. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I remember my first couple of years in New York,
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Speaker 3: just like I would give my phone number to like
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Speaker 3: one girl or one guy that I didn't know that well,
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Speaker 3: and then suddenly I was on like fourteen different club
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Speaker 3: promoter lists. Yes, yes, and exactly I would show up
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Speaker 3: and I'd be like, this person wants to be my friend,
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Speaker 3: and then I'm like, I don't necessarily always want to
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Speaker 3: be at a club until two am on a Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: Like maybe I need friends that don't want to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely use that to my advantage, like in
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Speaker 2: very very specific moments where I was like, I'd have
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Speaker 2: all my friends in town from home, and I'm going
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Speaker 2: to take them out for a really good time and
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Speaker 2: their minds are going to be blown. Definitely did that,
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Speaker 2: but otherwise, no, I was not the one like going
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Speaker 2: it just gave me the he begbis and it rightfully,
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Speaker 2: so you know, I kind of trusted my gut.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think this like man.
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Speaker 2: Who just approached me in Union Square Park like genuinely
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Speaker 2: wants to get to know me and create this beautiful friendship,
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Speaker 2: and just something age debating.
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Speaker 4: This beautiful friendship.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny too, because I know, I mean, there
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Speaker 3: are certainly a fair share of listeners that are that
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Speaker 3: have this in their air pods and they're listening from
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Speaker 3: New York City, But for those that don't live here
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Speaker 3: and have never had that experience, it's really just like
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Speaker 3: you show up somewhere and you don't pull out your
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Speaker 3: wallet at all, and all of a sudden, there are
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Speaker 3: just drinks and people.
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Speaker 4: I mean obviously pre COVID, but.
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Speaker 3: Drinks and people, and like it just it all happens,
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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, there's like flashaking lights and
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Speaker 3: you're in a club and you don't even remember how
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Speaker 3: you got there.
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Speaker 4: Like it's a whole thing totally.
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Speaker 2: It's a very overwhelming experience for sure, Like you're really
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Speaker 2: taking me back.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just needed a moment to personally reflect on
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Speaker 3: this time where like this was even an opportunity for us.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad we exchanged this mutual New to New York
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Speaker 3: promoter text cycle and now we.
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Speaker 1: Can move past it exactly.
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Speaker 4: We can get past it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, but you're in New York and you're you're working
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Speaker 3: more jobs, but you're feeling really alone. And I would imagine,
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Speaker 3: as a relatively new model in the space, that that
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Speaker 3: also opens up the door to having and then navigating
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Speaker 3: a lot of perhaps dangerous thoughts. Talk to me about
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Speaker 3: the mental side of getting into modeling.
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Speaker 2: When I first started the industry, I mean, even still,
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Speaker 2: it's a very competitive industry for sure, and I think
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Speaker 2: I came into it with the same competitive spirit that
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Speaker 2: I kind of had my whole life, in the sense
17:31
Speaker 2: I grew up playing sports.
17:33
Speaker 1: And I made this huge decision to.
17:35
Speaker 2: Not go to college, and I think I felt a
17:37
Speaker 2: lot of pressure to make this decision work. Like I
17:40
Speaker 2: think I was like, this has to work out. You know,
17:43
Speaker 2: I don't want to go home with my tail between
17:45
Speaker 2: my legs.
17:46
Speaker 1: I don't even know if going to school.
17:47
Speaker 2: At this points and option I you know, I was
17:49
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen, Like I was just like, this has to
17:52
Speaker 2: work out for me. So when I first moved to Manhattan,
17:55
Speaker 2: it was the first time that I've really been away
17:57
Speaker 2: from my family, away from the structure of school sports,
18:01
Speaker 2: like a normal teenage life, you know. When I first
18:03
Speaker 2: moved here, in things, I said that I started working
18:06
Speaker 2: like very early on, but I wanted more. You know,
18:09
Speaker 2: I was doing like specific jobs and it was enough
18:11
Speaker 2: for me to say, yes, I'm going to pursue this
18:13
Speaker 2: full time. But I wanted to be like at the
18:15
Speaker 2: top of my game. I wanted to be like top
18:17
Speaker 2: one hundred models in the world, like all of those things.
18:20
Speaker 2: I wanted to be super successful. And I think the
18:23
Speaker 2: dangerous thoughts for me or habits started coming in because
18:26
Speaker 2: first of all, I was spending so much time alone.
18:28
Speaker 1: I was alone all the time.
18:31
Speaker 2: Living alone, not a lot of friends, and I was
18:33
Speaker 2: basically putting so much pressure on myself to be successful
18:36
Speaker 2: and make this career work. And I started picking up
18:40
Speaker 2: super unhealthy habits that I think if I was living
18:43
Speaker 2: with another person or a parent, they would be like, Emily,
18:45
Speaker 2: you're acting really strange, like stop going to the gym
18:49
Speaker 2: for like three hours a day and only allowing yourself.
18:51
Speaker 1: To eat like apples. It's a little weird.
18:54
Speaker 2: But I was alone and like walking around the city constantly,
18:58
Speaker 2: and I think I just was like, if I'm going
19:00
Speaker 2: to be successful, that means I.
19:01
Speaker 1: Have to be thin.
19:02
Speaker 2: And you know, I want to make money, and that
19:04
Speaker 2: also means that I have to be thin.
19:07
Speaker 1: So I just made that my only goal in life and.
19:12
Speaker 2: Put all of my energy into that, and it paid
19:15
Speaker 2: off in the sense that I did get extremely thin,
19:17
Speaker 2: but I also got extremely miserable, so kind of, yeah,
19:20
Speaker 2: it didn't work out.
19:22
Speaker 3: Didn't work out, And I would imagine the concept of
19:25
Speaker 3: I can just eat apples and go to the gym
19:27
Speaker 3: for three hours at a time, like you have all
19:29
Speaker 3: of this new found independence and this is like the
19:32
Speaker 3: one thing that you can take control over. But when
19:36
Speaker 3: there's no one almost to call you out on your bullshit,
19:39
Speaker 3: as I think a lot of people struggled over this
19:42
Speaker 3: past year, it can certainly become a little bit toxic.
19:46
Speaker 3: So for you, how long were you in would you
19:49
Speaker 3: say this kind of pattern before the straw broke the
19:52
Speaker 3: camel's back?
19:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say like maybe like the first six
19:55
Speaker 2: to eight months that I was living in the city.
19:57
Speaker 2: I really was going like all the way, putting all
20:01
Speaker 2: my effort into that, and that's when but I definitely
20:04
Speaker 2: had kind of a moment where I came to and
20:07
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't this actually is not worth it.
20:09
Speaker 2: I'm actually lucky that I was even able to have
20:11
Speaker 2: that moment for myself. Now that I look back on it.
20:14
Speaker 3: Talk to me about that moment. Do you remember any
20:16
Speaker 3: details about it?
20:17
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just remember.
20:20
Speaker 2: I remember I was like so irritable and miserable, and
20:23
Speaker 2: I was like, I remember there were like two things
20:25
Speaker 2: that happened that I was like, Okay, this is this
20:27
Speaker 2: is so bad. I like snapped at my mom, who
20:29
Speaker 2: like came down to visit me because I was just
20:31
Speaker 2: like so irritable and like in this zone, in this
20:33
Speaker 2: space where I was like very isolated. And then I
20:37
Speaker 2: think one of the other key key moments for me
20:39
Speaker 2: was I went to work for this brand that I
20:41
Speaker 2: worked with for a very long time since the beginning
20:44
Speaker 2: of my career, like they were one of my first clients,
20:46
Speaker 2: call it, and I had gotten very thin, and two
20:48
Speaker 2: people approached me, a model and a makeup artist, and
20:52
Speaker 2: they were like.
20:52
Speaker 1: Hey, you like don't look well. Are you okay?
20:57
Speaker 2: And I remember being like, yeah, I'm like fine, Like
20:59
Speaker 2: what do you mean, Like I'm you know, I was
21:01
Speaker 2: kind of like what, like isn't this what you guys do?
21:05
Speaker 2: Like I'm thin now, Like I'm just trying to work
21:07
Speaker 2: and like be successful. And then after shortly after that,
21:10
Speaker 2: I remember my agency said to me like, oh, you know,
21:12
Speaker 2: people didn't think that you looked very good or very healthy.
21:15
Speaker 2: They're concerned for you, and if you continue in this direction,
21:18
Speaker 2: like they don't know if they're going to want to
21:20
Speaker 2: keep working with you. And I remember I was like,
21:22
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? I've been putting like all of
21:24
Speaker 2: this work and effort and time into like looking this way,
21:27
Speaker 2: and now people are not only saying that I don't
21:29
Speaker 2: look good, they're saying that they might not want.
21:32
Speaker 1: To continue working with me.
21:34
Speaker 2: That was kind of my breakthrough moment where I was like,
21:36
Speaker 2: all right, this isn't moving the needle. Clearly people don't
21:40
Speaker 2: think I look good. It's hurting my career. I thought
21:42
Speaker 2: this was going to help, and I kind of just
21:45
Speaker 2: in that moment, actually gave up on this you know,
21:48
Speaker 2: insane drive that I had to be thin. That was
21:52
Speaker 2: the only goal I had. Was like, I just want
21:54
Speaker 2: to be skinny, and that had its own, you know,
21:58
Speaker 2: downfalls to it because and I just gained a bunch
22:01
Speaker 2: of weight, and you know, when you go from one
22:02
Speaker 2: extreme to the other. There was a lot of emotional
22:05
Speaker 2: sort of stuff that I had to kind of deal
22:08
Speaker 2: with and process.
22:10
Speaker 1: So it was a journey.
22:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a journey. I could
22:15
Speaker 3: imagine how frustrating it must have felt, because it's so
22:19
Speaker 3: interesting to hear you say, well, isn't the goal here
22:21
Speaker 3: for me to be skinny? But when you started your
22:25
Speaker 3: modeling journey, your goal was to be the best of
22:29
Speaker 3: the best, to work with the best of the best.
22:32
Speaker 3: So in your mind, to get to that goal, you
22:36
Speaker 3: had to be small. But when you took a step
22:39
Speaker 3: back and you looked at where you really wanted to
22:42
Speaker 3: go and you got this feedback, you were, I mean
22:45
Speaker 3: understandably shook totally completely.
22:49
Speaker 1: Like I was just so defeated.
22:51
Speaker 2: You know, you just think you're doing all the right
22:53
Speaker 2: things and it just did not turn out to be
22:56
Speaker 2: that way.
22:56
Speaker 1: And if anything, people were encouraging.
22:58
Speaker 2: Me to return to like how I I was when
23:00
Speaker 2: I started, which was like a very healthy, size six
23:04
Speaker 2: athletic girl. You know, I didn't look like other models,
23:08
Speaker 2: I will say especially you know, I started modeling in
23:10
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine and the trend then was WAF
23:13
Speaker 2: very very thin, like Eastern European.
23:16
Speaker 1: You know, six foot it was.
23:18
Speaker 2: It was a mold, a cookie cutter, like models looked
23:22
Speaker 2: one way and one way only. So I think I
23:25
Speaker 2: was kind of like, well, I got to make myself
23:27
Speaker 2: look like that, because that's how everyone else looks. I
23:29
Speaker 2: felt so different and I was different, you know, I
23:32
Speaker 2: didn't look like that.
23:34
Speaker 3: So when you started to learn how to get better
23:38
Speaker 3: at being in your own body, how your body is
23:41
Speaker 3: supposed to be, talk to me about the mental transition there,
23:45
Speaker 3: because I would expect that that would.
23:48
Speaker 4: Come with its fair share of hurdles as well.
23:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
23:52
Speaker 2: I remember after that when I kind of hit that
23:55
Speaker 2: breaking point. I went home for like six months, back
23:58
Speaker 2: to my parents' house. Granted I was still only like eighteen,
24:01
Speaker 2: or maybe I was nineteen at that point, but I
24:03
Speaker 2: was fried. I was burnt out, Like I think, I
24:07
Speaker 2: just felt so defeated and down and didn't know if
24:10
Speaker 2: this was even the right direction for me. I was
24:12
Speaker 2: doubting a lot. And I went home and I gained
24:14
Speaker 2: quite a bit of weight, and I wanted to hide.
24:17
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be seen. I definitely didn't want
24:20
Speaker 2: to model. So that was in the super strange in
24:23
Speaker 2: between space where I wasn't in college and I wasn't modeling,
24:26
Speaker 2: and I was very sad. I was very very sad
24:29
Speaker 2: and very very lost. And I do remember having this
24:33
Speaker 2: kind of conversation with my agency at the time. I
24:36
Speaker 2: kind of had a moment where they were kind of
24:38
Speaker 2: pushing me, you know, to get back to where I was,
24:41
Speaker 2: or to lose weight. You know, there was always pressure
24:45
Speaker 2: to lose weight, to be a certain size, you know,
24:47
Speaker 2: check your measurements, like where are you at? And I
24:50
Speaker 2: just remember I had this breaking point with them where
24:52
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, from here on is either take
24:54
Speaker 2: it or leave it. I just can't stay on this
24:57
Speaker 2: hamster wheel. It's not even because I I don't want to.
25:00
Speaker 2: It's not even possible for me to be consistently this
25:04
Speaker 2: one size that I need to be. So from now on,
25:07
Speaker 2: you know, I want you to be honest about my
25:09
Speaker 2: measurements with clients who want you to be honest about
25:11
Speaker 2: my polaroids. You know, if people are interested, they'll I
25:15
Speaker 2: hope that they'll make it work. And like that's it
25:18
Speaker 2: for me now. I just don't want to hear it anymore.
25:20
Speaker 2: About like losing weight, I just like I don't want
25:22
Speaker 2: to hear it. And it was just totally bizarre because
25:25
Speaker 2: like things kind of like took off for me shortly
25:28
Speaker 2: after that. I don't know if it was like I
25:30
Speaker 2: just put it out into the universe that I was
25:32
Speaker 2: kind of like, this is it and I'm sick of
25:34
Speaker 2: fighting it.
25:35
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that anymore.
25:36
Speaker 2: And then after that and I also you know, found
25:39
Speaker 2: an agent who really represented me and like understood me
25:42
Speaker 2: at the time and was like I'm here with that,
25:44
Speaker 2: I'm here for you, like will make it work and
25:46
Speaker 2: who wants to make it work will And that ended
25:49
Speaker 2: up happening like very quickly, and I started getting or
25:53
Speaker 2: having the career that I'd always dreamed of.
25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think during that point, when you get
25:59
Speaker 3: to this place where like this is who I am,
26:01
Speaker 3: like that must have been such a freeing moment for you.
26:05
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it really was.
26:06
Speaker 2: Like I was just like, I think, I just put
26:09
Speaker 2: faith into the universe that if someone wants to work
26:12
Speaker 2: with me, they will, and they'll make it work and
26:14
Speaker 2: they'll be excited to do so, and stop focusing on
26:18
Speaker 2: all the people who don't want to work with me
26:20
Speaker 2: or will work with me under certain circumstances, and like
26:24
Speaker 2: I was, it was just too exhausting.
26:27
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was.
26:27
Speaker 2: Definitely like a really great moment where I felt like
26:29
Speaker 2: I found my footing and like my confidence. And I
26:32
Speaker 2: looking back, I'm like, listen, I was still like nineteen
26:35
Speaker 2: years old, then twenty years old. Maybe when I'm starting
26:38
Speaker 2: to like really come to these like more confident moments
26:40
Speaker 2: in my life, that's still young.
26:43
Speaker 1: It was it was difficult to do that for me.
26:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, how applicable is this to so
26:49
Speaker 3: much other stuff in life? Right, like just this idea
26:52
Speaker 3: that we always want the thing that doesn't want us back,
26:55
Speaker 3: and then it's hard to it's hard to let go
26:58
Speaker 3: or give yourself to a thing or a person that
27:01
Speaker 3: treats you with respect and values you.
27:05
Speaker 4: And how messed up?
27:06
Speaker 1: Is that? Exactly? Totally?
27:09
Speaker 2: It was like I was just I felt like I
27:11
Speaker 2: was fighting something, you know, I was like going against
27:14
Speaker 2: the current, you know, I like as opposed to just
27:17
Speaker 2: being like, all right, this is who I am, this
27:18
Speaker 2: is where I'm at, and it's okay, and in fact,
27:21
Speaker 2: it like may be exactly what it needs to be.
27:25
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, So we're finally at a place where
27:29
Speaker 3: we feel more confident with the direction of where our
27:33
Speaker 3: career is going. I'm talking about this like we're just
27:36
Speaker 3: in this hand in hand here and you were at
27:39
Speaker 3: this better place with where you were going with your career.
27:41
Speaker 3: Did you feel that the people that you were working
27:45
Speaker 3: with really started to accept you for this version of
27:48
Speaker 3: yourself or did you still feel a little bit conflicted
27:50
Speaker 3: in that?
27:51
Speaker 1: Oh?
27:51
Speaker 2: I mean I definitely still felt conflicted in moments. There
27:54
Speaker 2: were absolutely people who celebrated me, were excited to do
27:59
Speaker 2: so and to work with me, which was great, but
28:02
Speaker 2: I still had many moments where I would go to
28:05
Speaker 2: jobs or show up and people would be very upset,
28:09
Speaker 2: like think that I wasn't what they expected or I
28:11
Speaker 2: didn't fit the clothes I That happened many times, but
28:16
Speaker 2: and that was always like really hard, a hard pill
28:19
Speaker 2: to swallow, because it's just uncomfortable, and you're wasting people's
28:22
Speaker 2: time and energy and money just by being you.
28:27
Speaker 1: Like you're like, I'm sorry, Like I don't know what
28:30
Speaker 1: to say or what to do.
28:32
Speaker 2: So I still have I still had and have moments
28:35
Speaker 2: like that though up until like before the pandemic, like
28:39
Speaker 2: where I was working and traveling all the time, like
28:41
Speaker 2: that still happens.
28:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, My point is that you're not going to be
28:44
Speaker 1: a person for everyone.
28:45
Speaker 2: And you know, I would always when I was younger,
28:47
Speaker 2: think like all these people are mad at me, they're
28:50
Speaker 2: upset with me, they're disappointed in me, and I just
28:52
Speaker 2: couldn't stand that. It just like sent me over the edge.
28:54
Speaker 2: I just felt so guilty and so horrible. But yes,
28:57
Speaker 2: it makes people's lives more difficult or complicate, but you're
29:00
Speaker 2: not like a bad person or like you know, this
29:03
Speaker 2: isn't like the world is not against you. They might
29:06
Speaker 2: be mad at a situation or whatever it may be,
29:08
Speaker 2: but it's not like all your fault because you're like
29:11
Speaker 2: a size six.
29:12
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm just like sitting or shaking my
29:15
Speaker 3: head because I don't even I can't even fathom dealing
29:18
Speaker 3: with one of those situations when someone looks at you
29:21
Speaker 3: and they're just like no, And I would imagine that
29:24
Speaker 3: that had happened to you, not just like when you
29:26
Speaker 3: walk down the street for a casting, like you travel
29:29
Speaker 3: so much for your job.
29:30
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would travel very far distances and show
29:35
Speaker 2: up and sometimes not fit the clothes and get sent
29:37
Speaker 2: home like that day, Like they would literally be like, oh,
29:40
Speaker 2: it's not working out, Like you don't fit the clothes,
29:43
Speaker 2: not we expected, and that was just so tough, Like
29:45
Speaker 2: I can't even lie. Like I would definitely cry and
29:48
Speaker 2: like feel really bad about myself and just think about
29:51
Speaker 2: all the time and energy that was wasted on my
29:53
Speaker 2: side and their side. But then I would just be
29:57
Speaker 2: like I have to move forward, Like what am I
30:00
Speaker 2: supposed to do? Like cry about my jeene size all
30:02
Speaker 2: day long for how long? Like it's like it is,
30:05
Speaker 2: I can't do anything about it right now?
30:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean in those moments when you're in
30:09
Speaker 3: that difficult headspace and sometimes that negative headspace, how have
30:13
Speaker 3: you learned to pull yourself out of that?
30:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for myself, I it's like a series
30:21
Speaker 2: of steps because I always need to let myself feel
30:24
Speaker 2: the feelings. I'm like, I'm a pisces, Like I find
30:26
Speaker 2: need to cry or let it out or whatever it is.
30:29
Speaker 2: I do allow myself to feel the feelings, but I
30:31
Speaker 2: also always have this moment where I'm like, Okay, the
30:34
Speaker 2: only person who can turn this ship around is me. Like,
30:37
Speaker 2: and if I just continue speaking to myself in a
30:39
Speaker 2: negative way or being like you know what you are.
30:41
Speaker 1: You know you are.
30:42
Speaker 2: Fat, or you should have ate less, or you could
30:44
Speaker 2: have worked out more, or you could have prepped more,
30:47
Speaker 2: like you could be more hard working, I'm like, this
30:49
Speaker 2: is not helpful. You know, Let's try to integrate and
30:52
Speaker 2: bring in more positive thoughts and more positive point of view,
30:56
Speaker 2: Like what kind of actions can I take right now
30:58
Speaker 2: that will make me feel better?
31:00
Speaker 1: But I do think like when.
31:01
Speaker 2: You're in those moments, I've learned that I kind of
31:03
Speaker 2: have to take responsibility for turning it around, Like, because
31:06
Speaker 2: you know, the meanest person I interact with or is myself,
31:09
Speaker 2: because I have like negative thoughts and like those negative
31:13
Speaker 2: voices that you do have to be like okay, like
31:15
Speaker 2: how do I turn this around?
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Speaker 2: I like I remember I was shooting this commercial for
34:53
Speaker 2: Aqua Da Joya, this fragrance for OURMANI that was like,
34:57
Speaker 2: you know, one of the biggest jobs that I've ever
34:59
Speaker 2: don it's still what people recognize me for to this day.
35:03
Speaker 2: And then like while I was on set, I got
35:05
Speaker 2: a phone call and someone was like, oh, my agent
35:07
Speaker 2: at the time was like, oh, you just got booked
35:09
Speaker 2: for the cover of French Vogue, like while I was
35:11
Speaker 2: on this set, and I was like, oh my god,
35:14
Speaker 2: like all of the things that I could have ever
35:17
Speaker 2: dreamed of, Like I'm shooting this massive commercial for this
35:19
Speaker 2: like huge.
35:20
Speaker 1: Brand, Like what a dream.
35:22
Speaker 2: I just found out I got booked for the cover
35:23
Speaker 2: of French Vogue, like you know, things just like when
35:26
Speaker 2: it rains at Poor's kind of like I was just like, Wow,
35:29
Speaker 2: this is what I always dreamed of and it's happening,
35:32
Speaker 2: and that's happening.
35:33
Speaker 4: So when was that?
35:34
Speaker 1: That was like twenty ten?
35:35
Speaker 4: Oh my god, So we've been at this for a minute.
35:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.
35:39
Speaker 2: I mean now it's like twelve years that I've been
35:42
Speaker 2: doing this, So that's crazy.
35:45
Speaker 4: That is actually crazy.
35:46
Speaker 3: So when do you leave the small studio near Greenwige
35:50
Speaker 3: Village and like start to upgrade because I feel like
35:53
Speaker 3: there has to be like a natural blam upgrade story here.
35:56
Speaker 1: There's totally an upgrade. Yeah.
35:58
Speaker 2: I went from like a very small, dark studio where
36:01
Speaker 2: I like slept above my kitchen, and then I moved
36:05
Speaker 2: into like a really nice building with like Florida ceiling
36:09
Speaker 2: windows the following year, like in the Lower East Side,
36:12
Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, all right, this is
36:14
Speaker 2: better for my mental and spiritual health.
36:17
Speaker 1: I feel a lot better, a little more settled. For sure.
36:20
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm channeling Florida ceiling windows for my move
36:23
Speaker 3: within the next two months.
36:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's coming. It's coming.
36:27
Speaker 3: Everyone deserves a Florida ceiling window moment. Okay, So twenty eleven,
36:31
Speaker 3: we're like, we're not doing so bad.
36:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of turned around, it really did.
36:36
Speaker 3: You're shooting with Armani, You're gonna be on Friend Vogue.
36:40
Speaker 3: You're you're kind of grinding it out, You're going through
36:42
Speaker 3: all the motions. Do you get to a place as
36:45
Speaker 3: the jobs keep coming in where you start to ask
36:48
Speaker 3: yourself what's next?
36:52
Speaker 4: Oh?
36:52
Speaker 2: Yes, that conversation that what's next though, was like this
36:56
Speaker 2: dooming question.
36:57
Speaker 1: From the minute I started modeling.
36:59
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that people like literally ask you
37:02
Speaker 2: as a model, because people are like, you know this
37:04
Speaker 2: only lasts for so long, Like that would literally be
37:06
Speaker 2: the first thing that people would say to me when
37:08
Speaker 2: I was a teenager and I chose this career. They
37:10
Speaker 2: would be like, you know, this only lasts for so long,
37:12
Speaker 2: Like you can only do this for X many years?
37:14
Speaker 2: Like what are you going to do after this? Like
37:16
Speaker 2: what's your plan? Are you going to go back to college?
37:18
Speaker 2: Like it would always be this like looming question, and
37:21
Speaker 2: you know, rightfully so it is a legitimate question because
37:25
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of models do only last I
37:26
Speaker 2: mean ten years less than that. A lot of people
37:28
Speaker 2: only last a few seasons. So it was always kind
37:32
Speaker 2: of like this dooming question for me. But it started
37:36
Speaker 2: feeling less of like this burden or fear for me,
37:39
Speaker 2: like four years or so ago, for sure, because I.
37:43
Speaker 4: Follow four years ago.
37:45
Speaker 3: So four years ago is that when you started to
37:47
Speaker 3: think about Covey.
37:50
Speaker 2: No, Actually, like what came first was like starting to
37:54
Speaker 2: focus more on my social channels weirdly, like, you know,
37:58
Speaker 2: I had reached this point in my career where that
38:01
Speaker 2: was all going fine and dandy, but I did feel
38:03
Speaker 2: like I was kind of at this weird point where
38:05
Speaker 2: I wanted more and felt like I had more to offer,
38:09
Speaker 2: and I finally felt ready to take a step in
38:11
Speaker 2: figuring out, like how can I actually do that? And
38:14
Speaker 2: so that's when I kind of started focusing on my
38:16
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, my Instagram, Like I was like, I want
38:19
Speaker 2: to create content and I want to share what I
38:23
Speaker 2: have to say with the world. And once I started
38:27
Speaker 2: having that control or created that agency for myself, it
38:30
Speaker 2: kind of like tumbleweeded into more things and opportunities outside
38:34
Speaker 2: of just like being a model, like showing up for
38:37
Speaker 2: a job and then like going home, which were always
38:39
Speaker 2: just like very transactional, like one or two days, the
38:42
Speaker 2: job is done and then you just wait for the
38:44
Speaker 2: next one. I felt ready to start like building my
38:48
Speaker 2: social presence and like my personal brand, I guess.
38:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean modeling involves so much of you
38:54
Speaker 3: putting yourself out there, but kind of just being open
38:57
Speaker 3: to people judging your body. Now, when you go into
39:00
Speaker 3: the content creation space and you're starting to have a
39:03
Speaker 3: personality or be a little bit more vocal about who
39:05
Speaker 3: it is that you are, talk to me about the
39:08
Speaker 3: challenges that went hand in hand.
39:09
Speaker 1: With that, definitely felt more.
39:12
Speaker 2: I felt I definitely felt more vulnerable when I started
39:15
Speaker 2: creating content and putting it on the internet, because yeah,
39:17
Speaker 2: exactly like you said, people are no longer judging you
39:20
Speaker 2: for the way that you look in your pant size.
39:22
Speaker 2: They're actually seeing your personality and deciding if they like
39:25
Speaker 2: you or not or like who you are or what
39:27
Speaker 2: you have to say. So there was definitely more pressure there.
39:30
Speaker 2: And I remember when I first started, like my YouTube channel,
39:32
Speaker 2: a lot of people in my industry would be like,
39:34
Speaker 2: oh my god, like you're so brave, like yikes, like
39:38
Speaker 2: how are you doing that? Or like making that work? Meanwhile,
39:40
Speaker 2: like two years later, these are the exact people who
39:42
Speaker 2: are like, hey, like do you have any tips for me?
39:45
Speaker 2: Like I think I'm gonna start one like too funny.
39:49
Speaker 2: But yes, I've definitely like gotten like negative comments, but
39:52
Speaker 2: it's actually like part of what sparked covey and like
39:55
Speaker 2: this other journey that I'm now on.
39:57
Speaker 1: So it worked out, but.
39:58
Speaker 2: It's it never gets easy, Like I still get to
40:01
Speaker 2: write negative comments and I click on the person, I'm
40:03
Speaker 2: like who are you, Like where are you in the world,
40:05
Speaker 2: Like what's your story? Why are you commenting this?
40:10
Speaker 4: First of all, I can totally relate to this.
40:11
Speaker 3: I feel like, whether you have five followers or millions
40:15
Speaker 3: of followers. It's always, you know, a struggle to open
40:18
Speaker 3: yourself up and understand kind of back to that idea,
40:21
Speaker 3: like we always it's so easy to focus on the
40:24
Speaker 3: negative side of things, right, It's so easy to focus
40:26
Speaker 3: on the one person that you quote unquote weren't good
40:29
Speaker 3: enough for you, rub the wrong way instead of the
40:31
Speaker 3: you know, long, lengthy scroll of the people that are like.
40:35
Speaker 4: This is awesome, You're amazing. I love what you're saying.
40:37
Speaker 4: Give me that blazer, like I get it. So it's tough.
40:41
Speaker 4: It's tough.
40:42
Speaker 3: Secondly, so then take me down the path now of
40:44
Speaker 3: where Covey comes from.
40:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Covey.
40:47
Speaker 2: What happened with Covey was like I started creating content
40:50
Speaker 2: on my social channels. I loved doing beauty content. I
40:54
Speaker 2: loved beauty in general, and like skincare was something that
40:57
Speaker 2: was like obviously super important for me and my job.
41:00
Speaker 1: So I had a lot.
41:01
Speaker 2: Of fun sharing my routines and what I was doing
41:03
Speaker 2: and what products I was loving and all of that.
41:05
Speaker 2: But funny enough, I did this video for Harper's Bizarre,
41:07
Speaker 2: one of their get Unready with Me videos that are
41:09
Speaker 2: like they're like very famous for and I shared my
41:11
Speaker 2: routine and it was I thought perfect, elaborate many steps.
41:15
Speaker 2: I was doing all the things, using all the actives,
41:18
Speaker 2: like I just thought, you know, I was going to
41:22
Speaker 2: blow them out of the water. But anyway, when they
41:24
Speaker 2: posted it on their channel, people came for me in
41:27
Speaker 2: the comments, like all of the comments were literally like
41:29
Speaker 2: this is the most whack routine I've ever seen in
41:32
Speaker 2: my life. Like You're not supposed to pair those two
41:34
Speaker 2: products together. That's not how you're supposed to layer your skincare.
41:37
Speaker 2: You're using too many products.
41:38
Speaker 1: Or doing this.
41:38
Speaker 2: And I remember being like, I am someone who has
41:41
Speaker 2: a background, I have access to many experts, you know,
41:44
Speaker 2: in my industry. I have a passion for this. I
41:47
Speaker 2: love skincare, but apparently I'm doing it all wrong. Like
41:52
Speaker 2: if I feel this way, I can't be the only
41:53
Speaker 2: person who feels that way, Like what is the perfect
41:56
Speaker 2: skincare routine?
41:57
Speaker 1: Like what is the ultimate routine? Then somebody tell me?
41:59
Speaker 2: And I went down a rabbit hole, you know, myself
42:02
Speaker 2: and my business partner, Christina. I went down all of
42:04
Speaker 2: these communities on Reddit like skincare addiction, and I saw
42:08
Speaker 2: also on Twitter that people were asking the same questions
42:11
Speaker 2: that I was asking, which was what things do you
42:14
Speaker 2: need in your skin carouteine? What are the most effective
42:16
Speaker 2: products that you need? What order do you use them in?
42:19
Speaker 2: And do they work together? Everyone was asking these questions
42:22
Speaker 2: like what goes first? What goes next? Can I pair
42:24
Speaker 2: this and this together? Like how does this work? So
42:27
Speaker 2: I basically confirmed I was like everyone's asking the exact
42:29
Speaker 2: same questions like where is it laid out in a
42:31
Speaker 2: super simple effective like this is how your skin care
42:34
Speaker 2: routine should work.
42:35
Speaker 1: Here are the products that you need? And I couldn't
42:37
Speaker 1: find it?
42:38
Speaker 2: And you know, along with that, I also went through
42:40
Speaker 2: over two thousand comments on my YouTube channel seeing what
42:43
Speaker 2: everyone had to say about skincare there. So I really
42:48
Speaker 2: leaned into my social channels and my community, like and
42:52
Speaker 2: also negative comments that kind of helped like create this
42:55
Speaker 2: this idea.
42:57
Speaker 3: Just finally taking that negativity and make hang a positive
43:00
Speaker 3: influence here exactly.
43:02
Speaker 4: For a while.
43:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
43:05
Speaker 3: I think the next logical question for someone that would
43:08
Speaker 3: have a similar thought, like man, I would love to
43:10
Speaker 3: do something like this, like where does one even start
43:14
Speaker 3: with that? Because that hurdle is what holds so many
43:17
Speaker 3: people back.
43:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what started first? For myself was, like
43:23
Speaker 2: I said, doing all of that research, Like I was
43:25
Speaker 2: not shy about going through all of the comments, direct messages,
43:29
Speaker 2: everything that had to do with skincare.
43:31
Speaker 1: On my social channels, on other skincare.
43:33
Speaker 2: Communities, you know, making sure you really do your research
43:36
Speaker 2: and figure out, like what are the questions that people
43:38
Speaker 2: are asking, what are they confused about? Like the internet
43:41
Speaker 2: will tell you there's plenty of people you know, talking
43:43
Speaker 2: about and asking those questions. And then in terms of
43:46
Speaker 2: the products and what we wanted to create, first of all,
43:49
Speaker 2: we partnered with a dermatologist, which was helpful. She really
43:52
Speaker 2: helped us figure out like the key products, the key
43:54
Speaker 2: ingredients that were effective back by the latest research in science.
43:58
Speaker 2: But then we also use all of the reviews of
44:01
Speaker 2: top selling products on top retailers, and we went through
44:04
Speaker 2: over five hundred thousand reviews and we figured out what
44:07
Speaker 2: people were complaining about, what they didn't like, what they
44:09
Speaker 2: wanted from their skincare, and we really figured out, like,
44:12
Speaker 2: you know, what did people actually want out of their skincare.
44:15
Speaker 2: And then we figured out with our dirm you know,
44:17
Speaker 2: what are those key three products.
44:18
Speaker 1: And started from there. So, yeah, it was a lot
44:23
Speaker 1: of research.
44:26
Speaker 3: And like a few years on the making. I mean
44:27
Speaker 3: you said you started this journey what three years ago?
44:30
Speaker 1: Hmm.
44:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took a really really long time because then
44:33
Speaker 2: when we you know, found a lab that aligned with
44:35
Speaker 2: us and kind of what we wanted these products to be,
44:37
Speaker 2: what we wanted to have in the products and not
44:39
Speaker 2: have in the products, you know, then we had to
44:41
Speaker 2: do a ton of testing.
44:43
Speaker 1: So we did.
44:44
Speaker 2: Over twelve iterations of each of the products and tested
44:47
Speaker 2: them on over one hundred and fifty people. So getting
44:49
Speaker 2: all that data back, figuring out did people like it,
44:52
Speaker 2: how did it work with their skin? You know, we
44:54
Speaker 2: really tried to do all those things to make sure
44:57
Speaker 2: it worked across all skin types and skin concerns.
45:00
Speaker 3: I'd love to double click for a second on the
45:03
Speaker 3: idea of just getting started with your skincare routine, because
45:07
Speaker 3: I think that's something with that so many women struggle with.
45:10
Speaker 3: So for you, when you just got started with your
45:12
Speaker 3: skincare routine, were there like one or two things that
45:15
Speaker 3: you really focused in on that you felt made a
45:17
Speaker 3: major difference for.
45:18
Speaker 2: You, Meaning like pre Covey just generally like, yeah, I
45:24
Speaker 2: would say, what even before we started, Covey was pairing
45:30
Speaker 2: the products back, meaning not using so many things like
45:34
Speaker 2: I thought I needed way more than I did. And
45:39
Speaker 2: I would also say that consistency really made a difference
45:42
Speaker 2: for me, I think, I mean, I know a lot
45:44
Speaker 2: of people probably go through this, but I would go
45:45
Speaker 2: through moments where I was doing all the things, layering
45:47
Speaker 2: on all the skincare, like you know, stripping my skin
45:51
Speaker 2: probably like crazy, and then I would go through spouts
45:53
Speaker 2: where I wasn't taking off my makeup before I went
45:55
Speaker 2: to bed. It's like pick a lane, you know, Like,
45:57
Speaker 2: but I knew that when I was consistent and use
46:00
Speaker 2: like simple products that like were worked, well, that was
46:04
Speaker 2: when I started to like really see a difference in
46:07
Speaker 2: my skin.
46:07
Speaker 1: And still to this.
46:08
Speaker 3: Day, yeah, yeah, I know, the taking off the makeup
46:12
Speaker 3: before bed thing like if you do nothing else, that
46:14
Speaker 3: has been the one lane that I have been successful
46:17
Speaker 3: in so far. And yeah, admittedly that's a big step
46:21
Speaker 3: from you know what I used to do, which would
46:24
Speaker 3: be not do that. I'd just be like, oh, I'm
46:26
Speaker 3: too tired for this. You're too tired for thirty seconds
46:29
Speaker 3: of a makeup wipe and some some soap and some
46:31
Speaker 3: water and like call it a day.
46:34
Speaker 4: I guess this is what they call adulting.
46:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
46:39
Speaker 3: What I'd love to home in on right now is
46:41
Speaker 3: talk to me about your last year. Talk to me
46:45
Speaker 3: about what life has been like for you in the pandemic,
46:47
Speaker 3: because obviously Covey recently launched, but everything shifted a year ago,
46:52
Speaker 3: So how did that impact you?
46:54
Speaker 4: First personally, and then we'll kind of bring it back
46:57
Speaker 4: to the brand.
46:58
Speaker 2: Side personally, Like I'm professionally, my life changed so much
47:02
Speaker 2: because I was used to like literally being in a
47:05
Speaker 2: different country like every other week. I was traveling constantly
47:09
Speaker 2: before the pandemic for work, so that in the beginning,
47:12
Speaker 2: like most things completely shut down, and that was super strange.
47:17
Speaker 1: And at first I.
47:19
Speaker 2: Really liked being in one place for an extended period
47:21
Speaker 2: of time. I won't lie, because I was always away,
47:24
Speaker 2: you know, I had just gotten married like a year
47:26
Speaker 2: prior or, Like I was like, oh my god, this
47:27
Speaker 2: is the first time ever were like in the same
47:29
Speaker 2: place for an extended period of time and enjoying that.
47:32
Speaker 2: But you know, then brands started asking me to shoot
47:35
Speaker 2: content for them, so I was literally getting like racks
47:38
Speaker 2: and racks clothes like delivered to me wherever I was,
47:40
Speaker 2: and I was like shooting catalogs myself, like doing that,
47:44
Speaker 2: which was interesting and kind of fun because I really
47:47
Speaker 2: had to test like all of my skills like shooting
47:50
Speaker 2: art direction, hair makeup, like I was doing it all
47:53
Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, I can.
47:54
Speaker 1: Do this, just let me figure this out. So then
47:57
Speaker 1: I went through that phase.
47:58
Speaker 2: But I think creating content for brand and became a
48:00
Speaker 2: trend in something that like I kind of was open
48:04
Speaker 2: to very much so and then things really started heating
48:08
Speaker 2: up with Covey, like you know, six months ago, seven
48:11
Speaker 2: months ago, and we're like, oh my god, we're like
48:12
Speaker 2: really really close to our launch day, like this is
48:14
Speaker 2: really happening. And then I was purely focusing on all
48:18
Speaker 2: of that and getting things ready for that.
48:20
Speaker 4: Wow.
48:21
Speaker 3: And so now are you at the point where you
48:24
Speaker 3: are going back into studios?
48:28
Speaker 4: Are you shooting more.
48:29
Speaker 3: Like what has started to happen for you as the
48:32
Speaker 3: world is kind of starting to get back to where
48:34
Speaker 3: it used to be.
48:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel it starting to come back. So yes,
48:39
Speaker 2: the options meaning like jobs are starting to roll in again,
48:43
Speaker 2: and you know, I think we're finding our new normal,
48:46
Speaker 2: meaning like people are getting tested before going to work,
48:48
Speaker 2: like everyone wants to get tested and to shoot and
48:50
Speaker 2: to do all of that. Travel jobs are kind of
48:53
Speaker 2: starting to pop back up again. Like I can definitely
48:56
Speaker 2: see the light at the end of the tunnel a
48:58
Speaker 2: little bit, but it's definitely with you know, being cautious
49:01
Speaker 2: and doing the right thing.
49:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
49:02
Speaker 3: I got my first invite yesterday for a media trip
49:07
Speaker 3: to go to California.
49:09
Speaker 4: And in my mind, it's so interesting.
49:11
Speaker 3: I mean I used to, like you, I used to
49:13
Speaker 3: travel all the time, and I would get those trip
49:15
Speaker 3: invites like to a day, and it's just so interesting
49:19
Speaker 3: to me to see where everyone's head is at, and
49:22
Speaker 3: you know, what are certain brands thinking of requiring to
49:25
Speaker 3: do for something like this, And who are the brands
49:28
Speaker 3: that are like, we should do something like this, and
49:30
Speaker 3: who are the brands that are like, we.
49:31
Speaker 4: Will not do this ever again.
49:32
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's super interesting to see, like what's
49:35
Speaker 3: going to happen from here on out.
49:37
Speaker 1: I'll be very very curious.
49:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even with like events and like gatherings and
49:43
Speaker 2: all of that, Like it'll be interesting to see like
49:45
Speaker 2: what direction brands and people go in because now we've
49:48
Speaker 2: all gotten really used to doing everything remote so.
49:51
Speaker 3: Right, right, and the budgets are shifting as well, so
49:53
Speaker 3: like is it smart to have this budget?
49:55
Speaker 4: Like why why are we bringing these people here?
49:58
Speaker 3: If we can do this in this different way, it
50:01
Speaker 3: just has completely changed the way that we think about
50:03
Speaker 3: how we used to go about absolutely everything. Where do
50:07
Speaker 3: you miss traveling to the most?
50:11
Speaker 2: It's a good question, honestly, I think like eure Upe, Paris, London,
50:17
Speaker 2: you know the places where Like, honestly, years ago, I
50:20
Speaker 2: didn't love traveling there because I would always only be
50:22
Speaker 2: there for like a day and a half, and like
50:24
Speaker 2: would go home and I'd always be like, oh, like
50:26
Speaker 2: I have to go.
50:26
Speaker 1: To Paris again for like one day.
50:28
Speaker 2: But now I'm like, oh, I would love to go
50:30
Speaker 2: to Paris for like one day right now and like
50:32
Speaker 2: go get a croissant and like walk around, like and
50:34
Speaker 2: then go back to New York.
50:35
Speaker 1: It would be pretty great.
50:37
Speaker 4: Would be pretty pretty great.
50:38
Speaker 3: Okay, So at the top of this episode, I talk
50:40
Speaker 3: to you about how I know that my girlfriend Kara
50:44
Speaker 3: is totally fangirling over this episode. Do you remember when
50:47
Speaker 3: you had a moment where you first kind of fangirled
50:50
Speaker 3: over somebody else that you were in the same space with.
50:54
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a good question.
50:57
Speaker 2: I think, like, honestly, when I first started doing I've
51:00
Speaker 2: been with them for a really long time, and Adriana Lima.
51:03
Speaker 1: Was one of the other models.
51:05
Speaker 2: I mean I grew up looking at her for as
51:07
Speaker 2: long as I could remember, like in Victoria's Secret and Enabling,
51:10
Speaker 2: and then I was just like shooting next to her,
51:12
Speaker 2: and I remember being like, this is very strange. That
51:19
Speaker 2: was definitely one of the moments where I was kind
51:20
Speaker 2: of like, wow, I can't believe I'm working with people
51:22
Speaker 2: like this, like that I'm even at this level, Like
51:24
Speaker 2: this is nuts.
51:26
Speaker 3: And in your career, I mean, again, you've been such
51:29
Speaker 3: an established model in this space for so long, over
51:32
Speaker 3: the last you know, twelve fourteen years of being such
51:35
Speaker 3: an active player in this space. What has been one
51:40
Speaker 3: of the and I'm sure there are so many, but
51:42
Speaker 3: the greatest lessons that you have learned in this journey.
51:46
Speaker 2: Greatest lessons that I have learned, I think because I
51:49
Speaker 2: spent so many years like as a model, people tell
51:52
Speaker 2: you how to look, how to dress, how to talk,
51:55
Speaker 2: you know, how to be, and I kind of got
51:57
Speaker 2: very used to just taking direct and not giving input,
52:03
Speaker 2: not really taking control myself. I feel Like one of
52:05
Speaker 2: the biggest lessons that I learned is like, if you
52:08
Speaker 2: want to do something like a you can, and you're
52:10
Speaker 2: pretty much the only person who can do that for yourself,
52:14
Speaker 2: like to kind of just take control, take the reins
52:17
Speaker 2: a bit more like if you want to get something done,
52:20
Speaker 2: like start with yourself doing it. You know, even when
52:23
Speaker 2: I first started creating content, I remember I felt really overwhelmed,
52:26
Speaker 2: like I need a videographer and an editor and a
52:29
Speaker 2: this and a that, And it's like, actually, no, you
52:32
Speaker 2: can do all of that. You just have to figure
52:34
Speaker 2: it out and do it yourself for a bit and
52:36
Speaker 2: then maybe you can graduate. But like, why don't you
52:38
Speaker 2: just start with you.
52:40
Speaker 4: You've obviously graduated.
52:41
Speaker 2: Now sometimes, but no, not always, like in terms of
52:46
Speaker 2: that side of things, like creating content for myself and
52:49
Speaker 2: now even for Covey, like creating ads and like some
52:52
Speaker 2: of the stuff that I'm doing now, I just do
52:54
Speaker 2: it myself sometimes a because I really like that part
52:56
Speaker 2: of the process. It's like so cathartic for me. I
52:59
Speaker 2: love editing. I love putting things together even more than
53:02
Speaker 2: I like being in front of the camera, which was
53:04
Speaker 2: shocking for me to find out I didn't realize that
53:06
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I actually really like sitting in
53:08
Speaker 2: front of a computer screen for sixteen hours, like.
53:10
Speaker 1: Editing a video. This is so fun actually, But yeah,
53:15
Speaker 1: I would say that's one of the main lessons that
53:18
Speaker 1: I learned.
53:18
Speaker 2: But I think also like to keep pushing forward is
53:22
Speaker 2: something that I always tell myself consistently, and that sounds
53:26
Speaker 2: really simple, but I feel like, you know, you have
53:28
Speaker 2: moments where you're uncomfortable or self doubting, or something didn't
53:31
Speaker 2: come out perfectly, whatever it is, but it's like, stop
53:34
Speaker 2: dwelling on that, like, just keep moving forward and keep
53:37
Speaker 2: moving things forward in the direction that you want to go.
53:40
Speaker 4: Love that piece of advice.
53:42
Speaker 3: Right now, people look at your Instagram or see you
53:46
Speaker 3: in an advertisement, they see a woman that is obviously
53:50
Speaker 3: stunning and also on social has more than two point
53:53
Speaker 3: two million followers. When you look in the mirror, what
53:56
Speaker 3: is it that you see looking back at you?
53:59
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a really good question. It depends
54:05
Speaker 1: on the day. I'm not gonna lie.
54:07
Speaker 2: Sometimes and especially lately, look in the mirror and I'm like,
54:11
Speaker 2: I feel so proud of myself, Like I'm just like, wow,
54:14
Speaker 2: I'm so different than what like I try to reflect
54:17
Speaker 2: on who I was, like five or six years ago,
54:19
Speaker 2: when I felt so confused and lost and felt like
54:22
Speaker 2: I didn't have purpose. And now I'm literally looking in
54:24
Speaker 2: the mirror and I'm like, I'm everything I never thought
54:27
Speaker 2: I was going to be. Like I'm like engaged, I'm interested,
54:31
Speaker 2: I'm being challenged, I'm trying new things, Like I feel
54:35
Speaker 2: excited about what I'm working on, Like I'm like, go you,
54:38
Speaker 2: like I'm so proud. But then sometimes when I look
54:41
Speaker 2: in the mirror, I think, like, what the heck are
54:44
Speaker 2: you doing? Like you don't actually know what you're doing,
54:48
Speaker 2: and are you even happy?
54:49
Speaker 1: And like what's happening? It really depends.
54:52
Speaker 2: And then sometimes I just see like the kid in
54:54
Speaker 2: me that's just like wow, like you're doing really cool stuff,
54:59
Speaker 2: Like think about you know who you were when you
55:01
Speaker 2: were like five or six years old, and like where
55:03
Speaker 2: you grew up and what you thought you were going
55:05
Speaker 2: to be doing.
55:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
55:07
Speaker 4: No, I love those takeaways. It brings me.
55:09
Speaker 3: I have this quote board on my wall that says,
55:11
Speaker 3: remember when you wanted what you have now, And I
55:14
Speaker 3: go back to that all the time because please, Like
55:17
Speaker 3: we've talked about the apartment search, like I dream. I
55:20
Speaker 3: think you just constantly are in a place where you're
55:23
Speaker 3: hoping to level up. Right. It's like you get to
55:25
Speaker 3: this one thing and you're like, okay, but what's next?
55:27
Speaker 3: And you get to this one thing and then you're like, okay,
55:29
Speaker 3: but what's next? And what's so important and something I
55:32
Speaker 3: have certainly learned along the way is to like make
55:35
Speaker 3: sure to take a moment and take pause, because you
55:40
Speaker 3: have to celebrate the hurdles that you've jumped and the
55:43
Speaker 3: progress that you've made to get to this point right here,
55:46
Speaker 3: right now. And it may not be, you know, the
55:48
Speaker 3: top of the mountain, but it's really freaking dope that
55:52
Speaker 3: you got to a place where you're like on the
55:54
Speaker 3: journey and you're on your way up exactly.
55:56
Speaker 2: Taking that moment for like self reflection is super important.
56:00
Speaker 2: Hard though living in a place like New York, plus
56:02
Speaker 2: with social media, you're always kind of focused at what's
56:04
Speaker 2: everyone else doing, But like taking a moment to look
56:07
Speaker 2: inward is important.
56:09
Speaker 3: We talked earlier about the struggles you had dealing with
56:15
Speaker 3: your size and then getting to a place where you
56:17
Speaker 3: felt really comfortable in your own body. For someone that
56:21
Speaker 3: can share those sentiments, for someone that is struggling to
56:24
Speaker 3: get into a place where they do feel at home
56:26
Speaker 3: in their body, what piece of advice would you offer
56:29
Speaker 3: to them?
56:30
Speaker 2: Like, one of the key things for myself was that
56:33
Speaker 2: how I looked that morning, or how I thought I looked,
56:35
Speaker 2: or the number on the scale or how my pants
56:37
Speaker 2: fit would literally, you know, change my mood and how
56:42
Speaker 2: I approached the entire day. I gave so much power
56:45
Speaker 2: to that part of me, to the way that I looked.
56:47
Speaker 2: And I think my piece of advice would be that
56:50
Speaker 2: if you find yourself kind of spiraling or getting really
56:53
Speaker 2: focused or down on how you look and letting it
56:56
Speaker 2: impact you in these really intense ways, to maybe not
57:01
Speaker 2: focus so much on like making those thoughts or those
57:04
Speaker 2: habits stop. For me, what made a really big difference
57:06
Speaker 2: was like what new things can I focus on instead
57:09
Speaker 2: of this? You know, what can I bring into my
57:12
Speaker 2: life that will take you know, so much of the
57:14
Speaker 2: focus off of like how I look today? What else
57:17
Speaker 2: can I focus on filling my life with? Like other
57:19
Speaker 2: things that challenged me, engaged me, you know, occupied occupied
57:23
Speaker 2: my time and my energy. Made a really big difference,
57:26
Speaker 2: and it kind of allowed me to naturally shift away
57:28
Speaker 2: from being like what do I look like today? What
57:30
Speaker 2: how do my pants fit? Like? What's going on? They're
57:33
Speaker 2: like I think when you're in those zones where you're
57:35
Speaker 2: so hyper aware of your body, like the only way
57:38
Speaker 2: to get away from that is to like fill your
57:40
Speaker 2: life and your thoughts.
57:41
Speaker 1: With other things. But I know it's easier said than done.
57:44
Speaker 4: Oh totally.
57:45
Speaker 3: And something we didn't even touch on was how you
57:47
Speaker 3: were moving your body over you know, the past ten
57:51
Speaker 3: or twelve years. Just give me like a sneak peek
57:53
Speaker 3: a little bit into how you do that on a
57:55
Speaker 3: regular basis and maybe what that evolution has looked.
57:58
Speaker 2: Like, meaning like my reallyationship with working out and all that. Yeah,
58:03
Speaker 2: so I think like many women, you know, I when
58:06
Speaker 2: I first started working out and I was in more
58:08
Speaker 2: of that unhealthy stage in my life, all I did
58:11
Speaker 2: was cardio. I was obsessed with cardio, hours of it,
58:15
Speaker 2: like until I was so drained I had to take
58:17
Speaker 2: a nap in the afternoon. And I kind of approached
58:20
Speaker 2: exercise like that until like twenty fourteen, twenty and fifteen,
58:24
Speaker 2: Like I just would do like at least ninety minutes
58:26
Speaker 2: of cardio like every day.
58:28
Speaker 1: I thought that was it.
58:29
Speaker 2: And like also as a model, like I didn't do
58:32
Speaker 2: anything else because people would always scare you and say, like,
58:34
Speaker 2: if you lift weights, you're gonna get muscle and that's
58:37
Speaker 2: going to look bad and you're going to look bulky
58:39
Speaker 2: and manly and.
58:39
Speaker 1: Like muscles are bad. So for so long, I like.
58:42
Speaker 2: Totally stayed away from anything like that, which I regret
58:45
Speaker 2: so much, which was so silly. And then I actually
58:49
Speaker 2: met my husband and he kind of introduced me to
58:50
Speaker 2: lifting weights, which I was terrified to do it first,
58:53
Speaker 2: and then I absolutely loved it, Like it totally changed
58:56
Speaker 2: my body. It changed how I felt about my body.
58:59
Speaker 2: And now like lifting weights and like not even doing
59:02
Speaker 2: that much cardio is more so where I find I
59:05
Speaker 2: found my happy place.
59:07
Speaker 4: How'd you meet your husband?
59:09
Speaker 2: So I met Kyle on a flight from New York
59:12
Speaker 2: to Colorado.
59:14
Speaker 4: Oh this gifts every time.
59:16
Speaker 3: I love to ask people this because I'm just still
59:18
Speaker 3: hunting for my life partner. So I'm like, Okay, maybe
59:21
Speaker 3: maybe the next flight, maybe they are. Maybe the next
59:24
Speaker 3: time I go for a run, like something's gotta happen here.
59:28
Speaker 1: They're out there.
59:29
Speaker 4: They are, they are, I know they are. What excites
59:33
Speaker 4: you right now?
59:34
Speaker 1: Oh?
59:34
Speaker 4: Man?
59:35
Speaker 2: What excites me right now is building covey and like,
59:38
Speaker 2: I just have so much fun waking up and thinking
59:41
Speaker 2: like what can I do for my like new baby
59:44
Speaker 2: business today, Like it's just so fun and there's endless
59:48
Speaker 2: things to do, but it doesn't feel like a burdening
59:50
Speaker 2: to do list. It's like all these opportunities and fun
59:53
Speaker 2: things to tap into and new things to learn and
59:56
Speaker 2: new ways to approach things. So that's for sure what
59:59
Speaker 2: excites me right now.
1:00:00
Speaker 3: All right, final question, You have an opportunity right now
1:00:04
Speaker 3: to offer yourself a piece of advice. Looking back on
1:00:08
Speaker 3: the hurdle moment when you were eating the apples and
1:00:10
Speaker 3: running yourself into the ground and seemingly not all that happy.
1:00:15
Speaker 3: You have an opportunity right now to offer yourself some
1:00:17
Speaker 3: words of wisdom.
1:00:19
Speaker 4: What are they?
1:00:22
Speaker 1: I think that they would be.
1:00:25
Speaker 2: To stop being so hard on yourself, Like you have
1:00:32
Speaker 2: to be kind to yourself. And I know that sounds
1:00:34
Speaker 2: so generic, but it's like, I think we are all
1:00:38
Speaker 2: our toughest critics. You know, we speak to ourselves in
1:00:40
Speaker 2: a way that we would never speak to anyone else,
1:00:43
Speaker 2: like a friend, a family member. And I think at
1:00:45
Speaker 2: those times, all I did was beat myself up and
1:00:47
Speaker 2: like wonder why I was so sad and like.
1:00:50
Speaker 1: Felt so out of swords.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: So I think the main key thing would be, like,
1:00:54
Speaker 2: you need to find ways to be kinder to yourself,
1:00:57
Speaker 2: like mentally, physically and emotionally.
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Speaker 4: I love that, And thanks so much for your time today.
1:01:03
Speaker 4: This was so fun.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course this was so fun.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, really going back down memory lane,
1:01:10
Speaker 2: Like even now when you revisit those moments, I'm like, gosh,
1:01:13
Speaker 2: like I've processed this even more since the last time
1:01:16
Speaker 2: I've talked about this.
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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure. Tell me tell the hurdlers.
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