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Rob Reed Interview Open Discussion by Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Welcome to GOD TV Radio The Brett Keene Show.
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  I don't. Have a slow love.
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  No, I don't take shit. I've.
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  Got no love that. The faith is if you.
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  Want to play Dust and? Want to hate this although.
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  It's your world. I don't.
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  Have a slow. One So where did all this energy
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  in space come from? The answer was found after
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  decades of work by scientists. Space and energy was
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  spontaneously created in an event we now call the Big Bad.
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  At the moment of the Big Bad, an entire universe full of energy
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  came into existence, and within space it all inflated, just like
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  the balloon being blown up. So where did all this energy
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  space come from? How does an entire universe full
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  of energy, the awesome vastness of space and everything in it
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  simply appear out of nothing? The sun.
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  This is where God comes back into the picture.
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  I don't. Ever show up?
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  No, I don't take shit. I got no love with the bacon.
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  If you want to play top and want to hate this or will we show up
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  and make a statement? I don't ever show up.
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  No I don't take shit. I got no love with the bacon.
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  If you want to play top and want to hate this.
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  Or will we show up and make a statement?
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  Mental health discomfort. Soldiers don't give yourselves
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  the brutes. Men who despise you, enslave
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  you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to
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  think of, what to feel, who treat you tired you, treat you
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  like cattle, use you as Canon fodder.
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  Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, Machine men with
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  machine minds and machine hearts.
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  You are not machines. You are not cattle.
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  You are men, you have the love of humanity in your hearts.
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  You don't hate only the unloved, Hate the unloved and the
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  unnatural. Soldiers don't fight for
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  slavery, fight for liberty. The 17th chapter, St.
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  Luka is written the Kingdom of Goddess within man.
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  Not one man nor a group of men, but in all men, in you.
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  You, the people have the power, The power to create machines,
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  the power to create happiness. You and the people have the
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  power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a
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  wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy
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  that are that power, let us all unite.
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  Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men
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  a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age of
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  security. By the promise of these things,
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  brutes have risen to power, but they lie.
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  They do not fulfill their promise, they never will.
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  Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people.
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  Now they despite to fulfill that promise.
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  They despite to free the world, to do away with national
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  barriers, to do away with grief with and intolerance.
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  Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science
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  and progress will lead to all men's happiness.
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  Soldiers in the ring of democracy, let us all you.
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  Hello ladies. Hello man.
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  Oh, it sounds broadcast. You did I, I put a piece of
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  orange in my mouth, Brett. I was.
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  I was. I was I was dancing to the
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  remake of Olivia. Is my sound OK?
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  Is it too soft or we're? We're having a neck felt.
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  All right, then we're going to fix that.
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  Hopefully no. All right.
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  This is live echo cancellation now.
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  How's that sound? Better.
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  Testing. Yeah, it's a lot better.
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  Very good, very good. Well, to introduce myself as
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  well as you, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett
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  Keane from GOD TV Radio. I hope you're all having a
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  wonderful day out there. I'm going to be doing an
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  interview with brother Rob Reed, and you've been having a little
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  bit of a tough day. Hopefully my interview will
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  cheer you up a little bit. Actually, it was pretty fun.
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  I I had fun. You did enjoy yourself from
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  that. I did.
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  Well, I do want to say I apologize.
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  I tried the best I could communicate and and get you
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  heard, but for some reason he was convinced you were a robot
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  Reed. There there are some people in
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  the world, Brett and I know you know, we've been on YouTube a
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  long time. I've been on about as long as
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  you, if not a little bit longer, and that particular individual
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  might be the single stupidest person I've ever encountered.
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  And what has it been though? 819 years let.
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  Me do a background that better fits with what you got going on
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  in your background, so I'm good. Yeah, I mean, or I don't need a
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  background. I mean, I just, it's just a way
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  to blur. Yeah, it looks cool.
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  It looks cool. It goes great with the
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  background as well. Well, before we get into any
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  like theological questions or testimony or anything like that,
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  I've noticed that you've got a Rob Reed music channel and you
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  know that I'm into music myself, and I really like dramatic
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  intros, as you had to sit through just a moment ago.
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  I was dancing. I put a piece of orange in my
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  mouth to the remake of Olivia Newton John, and I was.
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  I appreciate your eclectic style.
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  Oh, I like all kinds of different genres.
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  Only thing I don't like is like certain kinds of reggae.
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  And I don't mind opera as long as Nightwish is doing it.
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  So it's that. I've seen some opera.
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  I I, you know, I've had better days.
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  But I guess first question would be, how young were you when you
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  started doing music? We'll we'll go with this first
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  because I know music Cheers people up.
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  My parents bought me a my first guitar when I was 15.
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  It was an electric guitar. They didn't have a lot of money.
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  So they they were able to save up and they got me one.
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  But because they didn't have a lot of money, they couldn't get
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  me a lessons. So I was playing it upside down
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  like Jimi Hendrix because being a right-handed person, opposite
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  of Jimi Hendrix, but same concept.
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  I felt if you're going to do all the technique, the technique it
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  makes sense to be where you're most dexterous and if I'm
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  right-handed, the technique should all be there and the
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  strumming should be on my weak hand.
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  Well it turns out guitar is oppo world so it wasn't until that my
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  parents could not afford lessons.
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  So I had this nice little guitar that I just, I was frustrated
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  with in 5 minutes because I didn't know what to do.
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  So Fast forward three years, I'm a freshman at UC Riverside, I'm
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  living in the Fine Arts Hall and there are five people on the
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  hall that have guitar and they're all friendly and they
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  all teach me how to play. And my songwriting began from
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  there. My father was into music, came
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  into the United States in the 60s, immigrated from England
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  during the British wave, and he actually was signed briefly to a
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  contract with his friend. And they were both very, very
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  good. But the thing that held him
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  back, unfortunately, was my mom got pregnant.
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  And so his music career went on the wayside.
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  But I grew up with The Beatles, John Lennon's, you know, imagine
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  and just a variety of music. I was along the line, you
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  probably were around this time too, of the Columbia Record and
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  Tape Club. And I was able to build a vinyl
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  collection and fell in love with music because of my father, but
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  becoming a musician wasn't until I started freshman year at
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  college. So your your father was
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  musically inclined, but unfortunately during that time
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  they didn't have live streaming and the cool stuff you can do
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  nowadays with digital. Yeah, and plus he had to figure
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  out a way to take care of a new baby coming, that being me with
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  his new wife. And so priorities switched and
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  my dad did the right thing. Meaning, you know, he, he, I'm
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  here. So they didn't give me up or
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  they didn't abort me, thank God. And so here I am.
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  And yeah, but he, it wasn't so much the issue of streaming and
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  stuff 'cause they were signed. It was the issue of he.
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  He was at a crossroads in life, as we all find ourselves
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  sometimes, and he took the road less traveled I would say, and
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  made the right decision. Some might say otherwise.
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  You know, just as well as I, I mean, yeah, you can't tour and
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  you can't go out if you want to be a family man.
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  The road's a killer on that. But you can put stuff up to a
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  distributor, all that kind of stuff with music out there.
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  It's sad, wrong time, wrong place, you know?
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  But you know, that is a, that is very powerful choice.
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  And that's a, that's a real man there to actually say, you know
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  what, I'm going to be there for my family.
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  I'm going to do what's right. That's good.
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  Yeah, he could have been a schlep and gone on tour and gosh
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  knows what at that point, and I don't know where my life
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  trajectory would have taken me. That's been an interesting life,
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  right? Very cool.
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  So guitar started you off, keyboard started me off.
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  But this isn't about me, this is about an interview with you.
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  So was there did you get to do when you started doing music,
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  did you get to actually do what you wanted to or did you find
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  yourself having to do what other people wanted?
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  Was it aggravating or did you enjoy the whole process?
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  Well, it was me just with a, when I first started doing it
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  with a four track, you know, so I didn't have to do what other
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  people wanted me to. And I formed a, a band in
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  college with a couple of friends who were halfway decent, but we
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  most mostly did covers of like Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chili
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  Peppers and that kind of stuff. And, and the interesting thing
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  was as much as I wanted to be a musician there, they put me in
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  the position of singing So. And it wasn't until I was
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  invited to a church by a friend of mine, a neighbor.
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  He was a bassist at a local Lutheran Church.
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  And I grew up with a Jewish background, but we met at a
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  homeowners association meeting and he told me about church and
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  that he plays. I told him that I play music and
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  I write and I have my I record in the computer and we developed
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  a bond for music. So that's my testimony begins.
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  You know, it's an interesting transition.
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  It really begins my Christian testimony with music and the the
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  gift that God has given us of music.
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  And it started with a a friend of mine who went to church, not
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  a great evangelist, but God knew just who to bring forward to me
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  with my interest of music for me to start to hear the word of God
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  in song. And about 11 months later, after
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  I first played on that worship team with the permission of the
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  pastor, he said that I could not sing because I don't believe in
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  the words. And my friend might have fibbed
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  a little bit by saying that I was seeking, which I was not.
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  About 11 months later after that first day, I I was my first time
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  playing acoustic guitar, Not singing with the group was May
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  of 2005 and I was baptized April of 2006.
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  I don't know if this is the same case because it seems like music
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  was obviously a big priority for you and desire where did because
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  you and I were talked in the past, at some point in time
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  you'd become get into lawyerism, if that's even a word.
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  I make up my own stuff. Hey, that's fine.
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  Lawyerism sounds like a disease, and it arguably is.
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  How did that happen? Since you were going for music,
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  was that just something you put on the side or did you mean to
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  go somewhere with it but decided you might be able to accomplish
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  something being the lawyer? Well, it's like my father,
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  right? You know, I had, I had the
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  perfect example with my father and my mother of course told me
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  there was no way that I was going to be able to major in
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  music. I didn't know enough going into
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  college. Music, as I told you, I was
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  playing guitar upside down and could play notes and it was
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  horrible. I had the desire to do it, but I
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  originally wanted to be a medical doctor.
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  So I went to UC Riverside with a biomedical sciences major to, to
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  start that endeavour. And I found out that it was just
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  too much. I wanted to immediately, I was
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  told in starting that major that we would be going right into
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  anatomy and all these medical related classes.
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  I was super excited. Supposed to be, in other words,
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  an accelerated medical program three years and then your fourth
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  year of undergrad is your first year of Med school.
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  And so I was cool with that. But entering into my third year
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  of undergrad, I decided to see how much I wanted a career in
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  medicine. So I went to the local Community
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  College and became a certified emergency medical technician.
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  And I did that for a short period of time.
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  And I discovered that I didn't. I didn't mind blood and all
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  those things, but I had an issue with the callousness of the
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  people that I was dealing with, treating people like they were
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  slabs of meat, which I had difficulty doing.
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  I was my emotions would be invested in these people that I
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  was helping. And I felt that a career in
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  medicine was probably going to eat me alive.
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  And so I wanted to help people and I wanted to make good money.
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  And so the next choice was I changed from biology.
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  I went from biomedical sciences to biology.
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  And then I, I graduated the BA in English.
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  So it was a big drastic change, mainly because English was easy.
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  I could write out my last two years.
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  I was a five year undergrad, apply to law school, take the
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  LSAT and go that route because my mother was in the legal
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  field. So I had some, I had connections
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  already there where I knew I'd probably be secure with a job.
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  And so that's where I went, you know, with music being something
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  definitely on the sideline, particularly after college.
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  But it was during law school that my parents bought me my
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  first Tascam 4 track recorder, where I first started to learn
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  how to produce on my own, which is one of my great joys.
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  Now. I just don't have a lot of time,
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  unfortunately for it. But that was a long way to
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  answer your question. No, it's absolutely fine.
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  I, we can take as much time as needed and everything, whatever
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  time you have at least. So you, you got to a point where
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  you, you felt sensitive. You were in a position where you
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  were seeing, you know, some of the the drags of life, some of
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  the bad stuff, and you were inable to go to that second
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  level like these other people were doing because they had to
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  turn their emotions off in order to deal with the job, right?
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  Yeah, I'm a soy boy by nature. You could, you could ask Smokey
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  St. There's a lot of people there
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  that would testify to my metro level and my metro levels like,
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  you know, Christian Scientology as thetons and I have metro
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  levels. Mine are fairly high where I I
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  have a an empathy for my fellow man, which was helpful in
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  becoming a Christian, obviously, but it was you know, it's the
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  the prophet Joel talks about the Holy Spirit in the end times
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  falling on all people and it's all who but it's all who call in
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  the name of the Lord who will be saved.
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  I feel that you know, God hardwires us as creatures in the
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  same way that birds fly S for the winter by instinct.
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  I think God hardwires into US who are healthy with healthy
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  growings up to be naturally empathetic to our fellow human.
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  Well, I I don't see that as soy or weak or anything.
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  I consider myself, according to my wife at least, of being an
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  alpha male, but I don't think that I could handle that kind of
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  job either. I don't think I could be a
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  fireman or a police officer either.
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  I've watched countless videos where it's real, what's
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  happening, and they blur out bodies, people walking into
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  houses where they're there's, you know, kids that have passed
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  or killed by their parents. And I couldn't be involved in
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  something like that. It would make me sick.
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  So I understand where you come from.
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  Yeah, but it again, it wasn't, it wasn't the blood and all that
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  stuff as it related to the medicine.
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  It was what bothered me the most was I think death and, and not
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  being able to like to, to have a person in front of me who there
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  was nothing I could do something, you know for.
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  Whereas in law, I have somebody who's been aggrieved generally
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  and it's my job after the fact to help pick up the pieces and I
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  I fit in nicely there. So when when you started doing
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  the lawyer business, you said that you didn't have a whole lot
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  of time to do the music and all that.
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  Eventually you would run into some people and all that.
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  Because I've seen some videos of yours where you got people with
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  you playing. Is that older material or are
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  you doing anything nowadays? Well now, now 'cause I, I end, I
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  have a a new position right now and so the new position gives me
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  far less time. So I have even less time than I
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  did before. That being said, I play every
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  Sunday. I lead worship at Calvary Chapel
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  Malibu. Before that I LED worship for I
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  was on the worship team at a place called Start out as First
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  Lutheran. Then they changed it into Life
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  House. Now they're called the House.
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  It's a nice church. It's very youthful.
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  But sadly when we had a change of pastor and a younger pastor
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  came in, he pushed out the old, which unfortunately was me.
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  They were keeping me on, but they had really substantially
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  lessened my role. So since 2005, I've consistently
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  on Sundays played in a band situation in most cases at
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  Calvary Chapel Malibu. It's, it's actually, it sounds
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  like a big church, but it's actually very small home church.
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  And I lead worship with just my wife.
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  It's just both of us. She plays keys, I play acoustic
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  guitar and we both sing. So I still perform, but they're
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  the extent of my performance. When I was a worship leader, was
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  at church and occasionally be asked to play at men's rituals
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  or you know, a variety of different things before, and we
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  would do that sometimes, but it was no great touring or anything
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  like that. But what's fun about what we
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  have now, and I imagine you have some experiences like this,
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  because you've sort of alluded to this already, that with our
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  ability to put our music out there and particularly on
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  YouTube, what's neat is I've had a number of different churches
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  from throughout the world really ask me occasionally through
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  e-mail to say, we really, we we heard your song, this song, we
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  really love it. We'd like to use it for our
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  Christmas program or we'd like to use it for this particular
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  special message. And can we do that?
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  And I always say, yes, yeah. I never had a, a place where it
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  made me think twice about it because I like to think that the
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  music that I do write is I most of it's generated from the word
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  of God itself where we can't go wrong.
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  There's a few things where it might have started away from the
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  Bible where there's potential, but I never had.
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  For instance, the one that comes to mind, there was a Christmas
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  program in Chicago at a Presbyterian Church and they,
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  they got wind of my song Tender Mercy and they wanted to create
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  a black light Christmas because it's a, it was a Advent song.
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  It's based on Zechariah's song The last part of Luke 1.
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  And it was just awesome that they asked to use that.
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  They did the black light thing. They sent me a video link and I
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  was really, really honored that the God would use me.
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  And that way, you know, and, and it, it happens sometimes.
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  So that's the extent of my public performance kind of
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  stuff. It it just limited to Calvary
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  Chapel Malibu. And now that I'm in my older age
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  and working more, I think I'm probably going to stop doing
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  that pretty soon, which is kind of it's I'm at that crossroads
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  like my dad was. Do I keep doing this or do I
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  worry about my health because I'm starting to get old?
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  You know, it's pressure to to create a service and all that
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  stuff. I understand.
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  Well, I, I encourage you either way.
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  If you feel like it, you would, it would be healthier for you to
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  stop them, so be it. But if it brings joy to your
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  life, obviously I'm going to root for you on that as well.
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  Sure, You know you know what you're going through, so I can't
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  tell you either way. It's just a lot of work, you
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  know, And so it's, it's I, I'm leading.
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  I'm heading to a point where, you know, I played so many songs
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  and so I know a lot of songs and I don't.
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  The other thing, I think it's like there's a quality that we
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  should have when we serve the Lord in that way, it is such a
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  huge blessing. We're leading other people into
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  the place of worship, into the holy of Holies, if you will, and
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  we want to do our best job. And when I don't, I'm tired and
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  I don't have enough time for it. It I don't think I'm given 100%.
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  God really deserves 110. So I've given an inkling to the
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  pastor already there and I said, you know, maybe we should start
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  looking. So if if anyone's in the the
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  Malibu Canyon area, Calabasas, because we're not in Malibu
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  proper, hit me up if you're interested in leading worship.
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  All right. I got a question for you having
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  to do with theology fellowship and all that.
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  When you look at social media with these different Christian
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  communities out here, do you feel as though they are a
• 24:54
  detriment to themselves? And then and why I say that,
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  I'll give an example. One of the reasons why we see
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  that non believers and some of these other groups out here so
• 25:05
  popular is because they share each other's content.
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  They encourage each other to continue to do the things they
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  do. Sure, they have their little
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  spats, but in the Christian community it's like this.
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  Oh, you don't read the translation.
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  I do. You don't go to the my kind of
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  church. You're not a part of my
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  denomination, so therefore I won't support you in any kind of
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  way. Do you feel that at all or do
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  you think about? Absolutely.
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  And, and it's the, it's the problem with, I would say the
• 25:39
  difference between the Christian community and the atheist
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  community is that the majority of the world is still religious
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  at some way. And so atheists are some still
• 25:51
  somewhat of a pariahs. And so their way to gather is
• 25:55
  here. Whereas the way to gather for
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  Christians in real life, and this isn't real life to me in
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  real life is in a church by the best God intended for us to
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  share in person with fellow Christians, fellowship in
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  person, be in church, have accountability and all those
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  things that are a priority for the Christian community, but not
• 26:24
  for an online community. An online community is filled
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  with people that are can be anonymous.
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  It's it's reckless. And where we find, we find
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  unfortunately, Brett and I know you've seen this.
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  I'm sure of it. I definitely have.
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  And you got a glimpse of it tonight, unfortunately, that
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  there is a lot of mental illness here.
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  There's a lot of loneliness here.
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  There are a lot of people on here who do not have a say in
• 26:50
  their real lives, who are not taken seriously in their real
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  lives, who attend church but are too afraid or too shy to say
• 26:56
  anything. Or maybe they've been instructed
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  not to and they found this place to be a suitable soapbox where
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  they can get a forced group. And the primary, I would say
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  mental illness that exists here is with some people who have
• 27:19
  Dunning Kruger syndrome, the Dunning Kruger effect.
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  They know a little bit about something.
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  They think that they're experts and that might include the
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  Bible. And they start teaching and they
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  start instructing when that isn't a gifting that God has
• 27:33
  given them. And yet they're going to force
• 27:35
  it. So they become sideshows, circus
• 27:38
  sideshows on here. They become they use avatars,
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  they call themselves smoky Saints and or things like that.
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  And suddenly when we when the the Mass comes off and they come
• 27:53
  off in a variety of different ways, we start to see that the
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  people who are taking the position of being Christian
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  leader have no business being in that position and don't have the
• 28:08
  requisite demeanor to do it correctly.
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  And I'm not saying that I'm the one either 'cause I don't think
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  I'm patient enough. That's why I was on a pastoral
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  track at this new church. I've been there for almost 2 1/2
• 28:25
  years now and I found, you know, I've been praying with God and
• 28:29
  saying, is that the direction that you want me to go?
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  And, and he's saying, no, he gave me other opportunities in
• 28:34
  my career that were better for my family.
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  And I said, OK, I see where you want me to go.
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  Your will be done. And it's been good for my
• 28:43
  family. And unfortunately, it, it's
• 28:46
  giving me less time here. And I liked to think the
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  majority of the time in my time here was that I wanted to be
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  guide for people on how not to hold grudges as best as
• 29:03
  possible. Although there's a few that I do
• 29:05
  have how to try and live at peace to live out living in
• 29:09
  peace with others. As far as it depends on me,
• 29:14
  there's some people that you just can't not.
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  And but if, if, if it's in my position to kind of control it,
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  then I can try. I fail far too often.
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  That's why you know, pastors, not God doesn't want me to be a
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  pastor. So the, the short answer to what
• 29:30
  you said is what you asked is in these online circles, we're more
• 29:37
  likely to create a cesspool and you see it.
• 29:40
  Brett, you, you were involved in the atheist community.
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  So you, you're, and I was so overjoyed when I saw that you
• 29:46
  were changing in that regard. But even the atheist community
• 29:50
  as you, you were the Pied Piper of atheists from the beginning,
• 29:54
  before TJ and all that insanity, when he turned it into a big
• 29:57
  cartoon. You were good at what you did,
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  and it was serious for a while, but then suddenly people started
• 30:05
  flinging stones at you. I remember with plagiarism,
• 30:08
  whatever stuff they were throwing out at you.
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  It was like they were killing the messenger.
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  Because what is the lifeblood of the online community is not
• 30:16
  truth. It's what brings viewers.
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  And truth doesn't bring viewers. Brett, I can tell you, I did a
• 30:24
  Bible study. I did a daily Bible reading
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  Bible in a year to lead people out of the drama in the year
• 30:31
  2023 to bring people into the word of God.
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  And I would be lucky to get 10 people to watch.
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  So but when you know I was I didn't see how many people were
• 30:42
  watching spud stream tonight, but I bet it was more than 10
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  and that when we weren't talking God, we weren't at a fine we
• 30:51
  weren't lifting up God. It was someone who decided to do
• 30:54
  a video unannounced with related to me about joke posts that I
• 31:00
  put up and so I took the bait. So occasionally I find it
• 31:04
  entertaining and but it was a perfect example, Brett, of what
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  of the cesspool? It is you to.
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  And if you're in the position to try and bring seriousness and
• 31:17
  bring people to Christ, then I encourage you to do that.
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  And this is a good medium to try and do that.
• 31:21
  Interviewing people and talking about their testimonies and
• 31:24
  seeing who you know, the reality, what people are in real
• 31:27
  life, not who they are here. And sad thing is that for many
• 31:32
  people on here, this is all they have and that's what we need to
• 31:40
  try and guide people away from because it is accessible.
• 31:47
  I agree. There's a lot of issues.
• 31:49
  The atheist community has its wannabe scientist and the
• 31:52
  religious community has people who have not went to school for
• 31:57
  theology or anything like that, but they want to become the
• 32:00
  next, I don't know, Benny Hinn I I don't know what it is they're
• 32:04
  going for, what the ambition is. I've always tried to be honest
• 32:07
  with people. I'm never going to be a preacher
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  or minister and you'd be absolutely irresponsible to
• 32:13
  offer me a church to run. So it's.
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  I don't have the patience. If I if I was given a church and
• 32:21
  it was filled with nothing but Ryan's, I would quit.
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  I would quit right away. I I just don't have enough
• 32:30
  patience to help people who are very hard to.
• 32:35
  Help. And that's not good.
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  But God, like when we pray, we pray for God to bring us people
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  of peace. I found that to be successful.
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  And a person at peace is somebody who wants to hear from
• 32:50
  you, respects what you say, will listen to what you say, and
• 32:54
  won't attack you even if they disagree.
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  And we probably, we might be able to get into that even in
• 33:01
  this conversation because I imagine there's plenty we
• 33:03
  disagree about. I don't want to hit too much of
• 33:06
  the detrimental stuff for what's going on with the community at
• 33:10
  this point of the discussion because it's it's clear from our
• 33:14
  discussion you're you're still a little miffed about what
• 33:18
  happened earlier. And I'm sorry that happened.
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  All right, let me there's just there's.
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  A I'm just saying there's a lot of evil here and and that the
• 33:25
  the fine line of writing that is how to deal with it and how to
• 33:31
  handle it. I've seen in the last couple
• 33:35
  years here some of the most extreme evil from that certain
• 33:39
  side that I've ever seen that I didn't think that human beings
• 33:43
  could really get to. And that's why I say, and it's
• 33:46
  done by people, of course, Brett, who are anonymous.
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  And it's, it shows how if your expectations of, of creating a
• 33:55
  Christian community here or trying to get a great Christian
• 33:58
  community here temper it. I know you've already known
• 34:02
  that, but it's the best way to get a Christian community is to
• 34:07
  do it in person. Find a church.
• 34:10
  People have always asked me to do moderation and neutral type
• 34:15
  of things and all that because for some reason on both sides,
• 34:18
  when it comes down to it, they see me as fair.
• 34:20
  But I've never I can't seem to. Even with all the charisma, I
• 34:24
  can't get people to just work out their crap no matter how
• 34:28
  much I talk to them. It's like they they'd rather
• 34:30
  kill each other than just get along.
• 34:33
  So odd. Well, if, if the worst thing
• 34:37
  that I've seen, you know, not to, I know you don't want to get
• 34:39
  too much into drama, but people essentially mocking the death of
• 34:43
  someone's child, I don't think it gets any worse than that.
• 34:47
  And there's, there's really, it's, let's just say it's
• 34:52
  incredibly difficult to forgive that kind of thing or to want a
• 34:58
  fellowship with that, particularly when the person is
• 35:01
  not sorry about what they did or the people, I should say.
• 35:05
  I had somebody a while back, Rob, whenever my daughter was
• 35:08
  going in and out of the hospital, the person didn't like
• 35:12
  me. They didn't like the atheist
• 35:14
  stuff that I was going through. And I completely understood
• 35:16
  that. I understood, but they told me
• 35:18
  that it was because of my sins and my evil, why it was that my
• 35:22
  child was in the condition. Now I had read the Bible enough
• 35:26
  even as a non believer to know that God doesn't punish innocent
• 35:30
  children just because of the you know, the parents being a creep
• 35:34
  or whatever. No.
• 35:35
  So I I've I've. Experienced people say some
• 35:38
  pretty awful things, especially very personal towards children
• 35:42
  and all that, and I, I'm friends with that.
• 35:44
  Person though, did it like did you?
• 35:46
  Did you have a resolution with that?
• 35:47
  Whoever that was, was it Me? I have.
• 35:50
  I've always. Tried to forgive people and and
• 35:53
  get along with folks and all that, but there's just some
• 35:56
  people. It's kind of like, I don't know
• 35:58
  if you're a fan of Batman, but it's like what Alfred said.
• 36:01
  Some people just want to see the world burn.
• 36:04
  There's just nothing you can say, no matter how rational and
• 36:07
  logical, no matter how kind and compassionate.
• 36:11
  They just want to crucify it, period.
• 36:13
  At the end of it. Yep.
• 36:16
  Sadly, that is. True.
• 36:18
  And that's it's especially true. You know, it's the Joker.
• 36:21
  I don't know if that's what he was talking about, but we're
• 36:23
  we're a clown face and many people in in every community,
• 36:28
  but I don't see it in the atheist community in that, I
• 36:30
  mean, there are people that use pseudonyms, but often times
• 36:33
  they'll get on camera. But there are people here who
• 36:36
  wouldn't get on camera. They'd just be cartoons and
• 36:38
  anonymous. And they're the worst.
• 36:42
  They're they're they're too afraid to reveal who they are in
• 36:46
  life because they don't amount to much.
• 36:49
  I have to suspect. And this is what gives them
• 36:54
  power. And it's, it's incredibly sad.
• 36:59
  They're people's emotions that get at stake, not mine.
• 37:04
  I mean, I again, I'm I'm amused by the person tonight, amused by
• 37:11
  their their lack of intelligence.
• 37:14
  But on a. Soapbox.
• 37:17
  Where they're acting like they're intelligent, that it's
• 37:19
  Dunning Kruger with a capital DK, but we can get off that.
• 37:25
  Let me try to get into. Some other questions and we can
• 37:28
  talk about all that you you want to, if you're into it.
• 37:32
  Let's see, do you remember the specific moment or event that
• 37:37
  led you to embrace your Christian faith?
• 37:41
  Yeah. But there were many, many
• 37:43
  moments, but there was one particular 1.
• 37:46
  So I'll tell you the one particular one.
• 37:50
  That was the slam dunk for me. It was.
• 37:54
  Pastor Dana Hanson at. First Lutheran at the time he
• 37:57
  was preaching on Acts 9, he was preaching.
• 38:00
  He had just come back from a prison ministry.
• 38:03
  He was describing people coming to faith in Christ in the prison
• 38:08
  and. He was weeping.
• 38:11
  You know in the process too. But we this the Bible verses of
• 38:15
  the day were Acts 9 and it was where Paul has the scales come
• 38:21
  off his eyes. And I literally felt a an actual
• 38:24
  reaction to the sermon to the scripture where I literally felt
• 38:30
  scales come off mine, a weight off my body.
• 38:34
  And suddenly the church building that I was in actually felt
• 38:37
  smaller. It was this interesting event
• 38:40
  where it felt less like a a a big building that was not
• 38:46
  comfortable to accessible and it felt like home.
• 38:52
  That was the hammer home moment I had.
• 38:55
  God knew what he needed to do with me which was to give me a
• 38:59
  lucid dream where I had an experience where I I felt like I
• 39:04
  actually felt literal hands on my shoulders.
• 39:06
  I was looking into a light. I was half sleeping though, and
• 39:11
  I was giving my life over to Christ in my dream.
• 39:16
  The way that it went down though was it was as if I was walking
• 39:20
  into a film and I'm seeing how the story ends and I don't know
• 39:23
  everything that happened before. But there I am, staring into a
• 39:26
  great bright light in my lucid dream on my knees, and I feel
• 39:31
  two hands, one on each shoulder, and goosebumps fill my body.
• 39:36
  And you know, we've all felt goosebumps, whether it's a
• 39:39
  loving experience or it's, you know, we watch a great film or
• 39:43
  we read a great book or we hear great music.
• 39:46
  You know, for you and I could share that.
• 39:47
  I know you've certainly had with your love of music had that
• 39:50
  those goosebumps. Multiply that by like 1000.
• 39:54
  And that's how I felt in my lucid dream.
• 39:56
  Never felt anything before. Haven't felt anything since.
• 40:00
  That was about Valentine's Day of 2006 when I was still playing
• 40:05
  as a non believer in the church is playing.
• 40:08
  Acoustic guitar. And I was in what's called an
• 40:12
  Alpha course created by Nicky Gumbles, an Anglican priest in
• 40:18
  England. And the course is designed for
• 40:21
  skeptics to ask questions to find out more about Jesus.
• 40:26
  So I'm taking this class. I have no interest in it, but
• 40:28
  they're all kind of pushing me to do it, and I want to throw
• 40:31
  them a bone. It was at the church because
• 40:33
  they've been so kind to me. So without any expectation, I
• 40:37
  ended up in that alpha course and God created a series of God
• 40:41
  incidences during that. The dream happened during that.
• 40:44
  The Acts 9 sermon happened, I think just as that was ending in
• 40:50
  March of 2006. And I had moments in the Alpha
• 40:57
  chorus where I was reading scripture actively and I, and
• 41:00
  there was 1 moment in particular I remember in the morning I read
• 41:03
  a scripture. I can't remember what it was now
• 41:05
  because again, I wasn't recording this, you know, I
• 41:07
  didn't know what was happening to me and I didn't know this was
• 41:11
  going to happen later. But I remember reading
• 41:13
  something, I think it was in Timothy, first Timothy maybe,
• 41:17
  and it was Paul being a cheerleader to the Christian
• 41:19
  people. And I was so impressed by these
• 41:22
  words that he said, I don't remember what they were, but
• 41:24
  those very words. There was somebody who cut out a
• 41:27
  bunch of different verses all around at this alpha course.
• 41:30
  And my seat had the very verse that I read that morning that I
• 41:33
  was impressed with. And I looked up in the sky.
• 41:36
  I remember that was 1 moment where I just said Oh my God I I
• 41:39
  feel like you're telling me that the track that you have me on is
• 41:47
  the truth and that this isn't all a bunch of BS.
• 41:51
  This is reality. And when I had that dream though
• 41:57
  I didn't even tell my wife for a day because I was embarrassed.
• 42:01
  I told her she got a smile because she was a Christian
• 42:03
  already. Thank God she married a Wretch
• 42:06
  like me. God LED her to do that and she
• 42:09
  was the best example of Christian Christianity for me.
• 42:13
  Grace and mercy for sure. And when I ended up telling her,
• 42:17
  she got a smile and she, she knew God was working on me and
• 42:23
  she just told me to keep, keep listening and that she was going
• 42:27
  to keep praying. And then so that was about
• 42:30
  Valentine's in the March was the Acts 9 sermon.
• 42:34
  And I made the choice shortly after that sermon, I went to the
• 42:37
  pastor's office and I said, I, I want to be baptized, but I have,
• 42:42
  I have one last hurdle that I'm having a lot of trouble with.
• 42:47
  And that last hurdle for me was I come from a Jewish background.
• 42:52
  And I was thinking about all of my relatives who were waiting
• 42:55
  for a Messiah, particularly my great grandfather and my great
• 42:59
  grandmother. They came, they escaped the
• 43:01
  Cossacks from the Ukraine and they, they landed in, in
• 43:06
  Brooklyn. And I know that my, they were
• 43:10
  waiting for a Messiah. And I said I I have a, I have a.
• 43:14
  Problem. With my family, who doesn't know
• 43:18
  Jesus being in hell, the pastor said something to me that it
• 43:22
  wasn't. It didn't make me feel any
• 43:24
  better. I didn't like it.
• 43:26
  He said, well, people can choose.
• 43:30
  Here and. In the afterlife, they wouldn't
• 43:34
  change their mind. And I said, well, I don't know.
• 43:36
  I didn't know my great grandfather, but I put myself in
• 43:40
  this position. He died before I was born, but
• 43:43
  if I could see him at the feet of Christ and he'd be like, oh,
• 43:47
  hey, I didn't realize, you know, and I think he would change his
• 43:50
  mind in. The end my.
• 43:53
  Resolution for that is the same that I have today.
• 43:56
  People say, well, if I don't believe in Jesus, am I going to
• 43:58
  hell? I said, well, scripture leads us
• 44:02
  there, but I'll say this, I know of 1 and I compare it because I,
• 44:06
  I love modern culture, part of my being a music musician.
• 44:10
  I love music too, but I love the film Willy Wonka and the
• 44:15
  Chocolate Factory, you know, and I say, well, I know of 1 golden
• 44:18
  ticket. I'll get you that golden place.
• 44:21
  And that's Jesus. And that's, that's the guarantee
• 44:24
  that I know that I've taught that I've learned in the end,
• 44:28
  and this is how I, I got past the hurdle wasn't jumping over
• 44:31
  it. It was sort of going around was
• 44:33
  to say, I trust in the promises of God, the hope that I have in
• 44:38
  in the cross and in Jesus and what he did, that whatever is
• 44:42
  going to happen in the end will be God's perfect justice, God's
• 44:47
  perfect righteousness, and I will therefore accept it.
• 44:51
  And that's been satisfactory for me.
• 44:56
  So this next question. I have for you is a
• 44:59
  hypothetical. God tells you that there is 3
• 45:02
  major things. You can choose whatever you
• 45:05
  want. Three major things that you can
• 45:07
  do for yourself personally and your family, and then another
• 45:11
  three things that you can do that will affect all of humanity
• 45:15
  or the world itself. You can do anything 3 for your
• 45:19
  family and you and three for the world.
• 45:22
  What would you do, God? I don't know.
• 45:25
  That's a hard question. I mean, I'd, I'd have to sit and
• 45:27
  think about that. I, I for my family, there's,
• 45:30
  there's nothing. I mean, I would say for every
• 45:32
  member of my family doesn't know Jesus, I would ask God.
• 45:37
  For. His favor to lead them to him in
• 45:42
  the same way that he did to me. Whatever.
• 45:44
  Because I think people are in their own different
• 45:46
  circumstances. That's selfishly what I'd ask my
• 45:50
  own immediate family. I've I've my my son follows
• 45:55
  Jesus, my wife follows Jesus. And so in in our little small
• 46:01
  little circle of three, we're successful and we own, you know,
• 46:05
  we have a home, we're comfortable and God has blessed
• 46:08
  us immensely. So there's nothing I would ask
• 46:10
  other than for members of my family, non believers to have
• 46:13
  the gift of belief as far as it relates for the world.
• 46:18
  I would pray the same thing that I pray for this community, but
• 46:21
  it's this community is a reflection of the world and
• 46:25
  there's evil exists in this world because God allows it to.
• 46:30
  And so I, I would just pray that that I.
• 46:34
  Be an instrument. And my family be an instrument
• 46:38
  for the world, one person at a time who's brought into our to
• 46:43
  into my presence in person that I might be able to shine the
• 46:49
  light of Jesus without having to hammer the truth of Jesus on
• 46:54
  their heads. And that could be done as simply
• 46:57
  as buying somebody lunch if they're hungry or.
• 47:02
  Praying for. Somebody if they're on the
• 47:04
  streets and they're struggling, something like that.
• 47:07
  So that's my answer off the top. To have three and three, I don't
• 47:12
  know, but I know. Think about it and get.
• 47:16
  Back to it if you feel you need to.
• 47:18
  No, that's I think that would be the.
• 47:20
  Answer that I'd say just in each instance for the world.
• 47:23
  I would say let me be a better example for you.
• 47:26
  Jesus, that's even just one soul can be saved.
• 47:31
  Because of. The light that you gave me God
• 47:34
  to shine upon others, and I did it correctly for once.
• 47:38
  So I guess there's some selfish factor to that, but we'll leave
• 47:42
  it at that. That's a tough question.
• 47:44
  What would you answer? And you can edit that out well
• 47:48
  for my. For my family, obviously there
• 47:51
  would be things where I don't want to.
• 47:53
  I don't want my family to need for anything.
• 47:56
  I don't want them to suffer in any kind of way.
• 47:59
  Things like that. As far as the world, it's really
• 48:02
  difficult. One of the things I've
• 48:04
  discovered and why some of my prayers don't appear to come to
• 48:08
  fruition is because sometimes I ask things of God where it
• 48:12
  would. It would call on him or demand
• 48:15
  that he changes the free will of others.
• 48:18
  And I know he's just simply not going to do that.
• 48:20
  So it's, it's really difficult as I, I always felt with music
• 48:26
  or talking to people, you could reach out to folks.
• 48:28
  And one of the things that keeps me going, Rob, is whether
• 48:32
  there's 10 people listening or there's 1000 people listening,
• 48:36
  if I can just view in my mind that one person has gotten some
• 48:40
  even a little bit of light and opened up their mind, that's
• 48:44
  that's beautiful to me. Might, I might not be able to
• 48:47
  change folks and all that, but that's really, it's not because
• 48:51
  of you and it's not because your light ain't shining, but it's
• 48:54
  because they have made the choice to close themselves off.
• 48:57
  And I hope you realize that, Rob.
• 49:00
  Yeah. But it's it's a.
• 49:01
  Struggle cause at the same time too, in order to benefit others
• 49:05
  I can particularly in this community I've I've been in a
• 49:09
  position where I've felt led to expose evil and to watch actual
• 49:18
  people who I know are brothers and sisters in Christ.
• 49:21
  And that might very well even include the person I talked to
• 49:23
  tonight who I was mocking that. It saddens me to.
• 49:30
  See them get influenced even when the evil is exposed and to
• 49:40
  bypass it. To consider it.
• 49:44
  And there's something to be said about God's forgiveness that can
• 49:49
  that is. Definitely.
• 49:51
  Possible for those people who participate in such evil, but
• 49:54
  when the evil is unrepentant and it's lied about and all those
• 49:59
  things, I think it's probably one of my.
• 50:04
  Many character. Faults is that I get frustrated
• 50:08
  with people who don't see clearly the evil that is that I
• 50:14
  see clearly. You know what I'm saying there,
• 50:17
  you understand? Yeah, I.
• 50:21
  Remember whenever I've had these moments where I want, I want
• 50:25
  justice, I want fairness. And I've, I remember there's
• 50:29
  been times in my life where I thought I really got this evil
• 50:33
  person. I mean, I've, I've got the goods
• 50:35
  on them. And then whenever you show it,
• 50:38
  people don't care because they're just as evil as well.
• 50:42
  It's a very strange, uncomfortable feeling when you
• 50:46
  know that it's almost like you're in the Twilight Zone,
• 50:49
  like you're in a world filled with books, but everybody's
• 50:52
  blind. Yeah.
• 50:54
  So they. Yeah.
• 50:56
  And that's where we're at, right?
• 50:57
  Now actually in that in the particular divide of it's it's
• 51:01
  called free grace versus whatever they are.
• 51:05
  And that's the big dispute that I happen to be involved with.
• 51:09
  But not everyone is hyper free grace that is in lumped into the
• 51:14
  free grace. You know, you got Bruce, who's a
• 51:16
  Wesleyan conditionalist, mostly the opposite of Free Grace and
• 51:22
  me, who's like a sort of a hybrid of are you talking about
• 51:25
  Bruce as in the. Bruce of her, yeah, but he
• 51:27
  doesn't like that. So I'd hope that you wouldn't
• 51:30
  say I, I, I won't, I won't. Use that word and all that.
• 51:33
  But he was in a room with Beckel less than a week ago and he said
• 51:37
  that he doesn't believe in Jesus.
• 51:40
  Well, he he. He does that because they know
• 51:43
  that he does in the same way Ryan had his whole chat tonight
• 51:47
  about me. Is Rob a Jew?
• 51:50
  Is he a Christian? Is he a Zoroastrianism?
• 51:52
  And I misspelled it on purpose and even put a picture of Zoro
• 51:57
  the character and Rob I I. Understand what you're getting
• 52:02
  at and I've I know that you got a great sense of humor.
• 52:05
  I realize that I I try, so does. Bruce.
• 52:08
  But Bruce gets frustrated with people.
• 52:09
  He's somebody because he's been pushed away.
• 52:12
  And somebody like Bruce, I, I definitely vibe with because he
• 52:19
  has that same sense of wanting to fight evil and the evil
• 52:24
  response. And I'm not saying Beckel, for
• 52:26
  instance, in that case is evil, but I think he might be led by
• 52:29
  it because he's, you know, bad. Company corrupts good.
• 52:33
  Manners. I forget what how exactly it
• 52:35
  goes in the Bible. He's hanging around certain
• 52:39
  people that are leading him to do and say.
• 52:44
  Things that are hurtful. Bruce's response to that is
• 52:47
  similar to what my response was with the Jewish thing and the
• 52:51
  it's it's to sarcastically respond.
• 52:54
  Why would Bruce care so much about all this stuff if he's not
• 52:59
  a believer? Well, Rob, I can.
• 53:01
  Completely I can. Completely.
• 53:02
  Understand if someone says look, you're upsetting me, I think
• 53:06
  you're an asshole or something, fine.
• 53:09
  But the denouncing Jesus Christ thing publicly, that's that's
• 53:13
  not healthy for him. You might want to have a talk
• 53:15
  with him. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 53:16
  Well, we we've. Talked many times about it.
• 53:18
  I've talked to him about that when he would do the same thing
• 53:23
  but not denounce Christ. I've never heard him denounce
• 53:26
  Christ in the way, you know that I get an actual denunciation.
• 53:31
  But he did stuff when people would say, I remember the mighty
• 53:34
  wind time. I don't know if you were
• 53:36
  involved with that at all. I don't think you were.
• 53:38
  I heard about the. Drama, but I didn't really they
• 53:41
  would say. They would say that we were
• 53:43
  doing voodoo cults and cursing them and all these things.
• 53:46
  So he did a whole video where he was doing voodoo curses and they
• 53:50
  use that to say see? In the same way that somebody.
• 53:55
  Like Ryan would use the Bruce's denunciation to go see and it
• 54:00
  was so absurd. The more absurd that it got with
• 54:03
  A Mighty Wind, the more absurd it just felt to try and defend
• 54:08
  it. There was one guy in that group
• 54:10
  who left the A Mighty Wind cult who they claimed was an A
• 54:14
  werewolf. They actually said, Brett, that
• 54:15
  I'm a vampire. They did a.
• 54:18
  They did a a. Video that was an hour long,
• 54:21
  allegedly proving that I'm actually a vampire.
• 54:24
  I'm not going to get too much into that, but they said about
• 54:26
  one of their former members that I held hold on one second a.
• 54:29
  Twilight Vampire or Lost Boys Dracula version?
• 54:33
  Which one? Unfortunately.
• 54:35
  Twilight, I think because they they were, they used Robert
• 54:38
  Pattinson to refer to me. Unfortunately.
• 54:40
  I wish it was Kiefer, but, well, those kind of vampires.
• 54:44
  Aren't terrible. They sparkle.
• 54:46
  Yeah, yeah. I mean you'd.
• 54:48
  Think so. But anyway, one of these former
• 54:50
  members was accused of getting converted because we were I was
• 54:54
  a 62nd Mason vampire and some other people were something else
• 54:59
  lizard people, reptilians. And we converted him into a
• 55:04
  werewolf. So he had his wife do a video
• 55:08
  where he no joke, humped in the dark, the tailpipe of his car
• 55:17
  making moans like he was a werewolf.
• 55:20
  Now the choice of that was not not the choice that I would have
• 55:24
  made, but he did that none the less.
• 55:27
  And they it mighty when people use that to say see he's a
• 55:31
  werewolf. And so Ryan does this video
• 55:35
  tonight to go see he's confused. He's having identity.
• 55:39
  Christ. Is he a Jew or is he a Christian
• 55:42
  or is he a Zoroastrian with the picture Brett of Zorro?
• 55:46
  Well. Isn't I mean.
• 55:50
  This might come off naive or silly.
• 55:53
  I'm still a work in progress. But if you're a Christian, you
• 55:57
  sort of have to hold on to Judaism as well, right?
• 56:01
  Well. Yeah, I, I obviously, I don't
• 56:05
  think we hold on to ceremonial now.
• 56:09
  I, I was, I mean, there's some that disagree with me, but I, I
• 56:13
  don't think Romans 14 is, is very, very clear for me on this
• 56:18
  issue, which talks about if a brother does something, it's all
• 56:21
  about I. Think what God wants.
• 56:24
  For us, whether it's observing the Sabbath, that's what you
• 56:27
  want to do and I don't do that, or if it's observing Yom Kippur,
• 56:32
  Rosh Hashanah, or the Feast of Days, a Feast of Tabernacles,
• 56:37
  all that stuff that's in there, more power to you if it
• 56:41
  influences for. The better your.
• 56:44
  Faith. But if instead it's used as a
• 56:48
  means for you to point fingers at someone else, then you're
• 56:51
  using it for the wrong reasons. That being said, it was a joy,
• 56:58
  as you probably heard me explain if you were watching that
• 57:01
  ridiculous train wreck tonight, that I still have Jewish
• 57:04
  relatives and it was a joy for my wife to see.
• 57:07
  I I didn't start dating my wife until just after my bar mitzvah.
• 57:10
  Believe it or not, we've been together a long time.
• 57:13
  So we started dating. She met me when I was 13, but I
• 57:15
  was turning just turning 14, so I think she met me around the
• 57:21
  time that I had my bar mitzvah. And.
• 57:25
  Once I had my bar mitzvah, I was out.
• 57:27
  I wanted nothing more to do because it was a bunch of rich
• 57:29
  people in my area and my family wasn't rich.
• 57:33
  So I I'm going off on a tangent now.
• 57:36
  I don't even know what we were talking about about about
• 57:39
  Judaism. So it's like Judaism.
• 57:42
  God gifted me with faith that Jesus is the way, the truth and
• 57:46
  the life before I knew every single one of the gold threads
• 57:52
  that tie in the old and the new. And it was the more that I
• 57:55
  studied, I saw how they all thread together.
• 57:59
  And it was the thing that convinced me intellectually.
• 58:03
  So God reached me first in the heart and.
• 58:08
  Then. Once I decided, 'cause you know,
• 58:10
  I like I'm evidence based guy, I'm a lawyer, I decided, let me
• 58:14
  look at this stuff. What is it that I believe in?
• 58:16
  Why? And I started to see the
• 58:18
  connections. It really, really strengthened
• 58:21
  my faith. It turned my faith from a, a
• 58:24
  blind faith, if you will. Like, I don't know why I believe
• 58:28
  that Jesus is God. I don't know why I I in my
• 58:31
  testimony and of course churches love new believers.
• 58:35
  So they were very excited because they knew me as a non
• 58:38
  believer for 11 months. And as I stood there for the
• 58:40
  first time giving my testimony, I said, I go, I just know.
• 58:46
  And I don't know why, but Jesus is God.
• 58:51
  And I was afraid that people might throw tomatoes.
• 58:55
  And if I was in a a certain denominations, it might have
• 58:59
  happened. Fortunately I was in a Lutheran
• 59:00
  Church and I do believe Jesus is God, so a part of the Trinity.
• 59:07
  But I didn't know for. Sure, and it wasn't until I
• 59:10
  started to read that I started to dot the IS and cross the T's.
• 59:17
  So there are. Passages in the Bible where it
• 59:20
  says expose evil wherever you find it, but there's also
• 59:25
  passages where Jesus says if they won't hear you and listen
• 59:29
  to you, then dust off your sandals and go the other
• 59:31
  direction. So obviously God's given options
• 59:34
  on how to handle, you know, wickedness or people who just
• 59:38
  won't listen. So why do you think it is that
• 59:41
  you seem more magnetized towards exposed evil as opposed to
• 59:45
  taking Plan B? Because.
• 59:49
  They I see good. People that get influenced to do
• 59:53
  bad things and to absorb bad theologies and and to attack.
• 1:00:02
  People that. I that are brothers and sisters
• 1:00:05
  in Christ who I love and also attacked me and my family.
• 1:00:08
  I mean, in the in the case of the guy tonight, he's actually
• 1:00:13
  threatened to harm my livelihood.
• 1:00:17
  So there's a part of the mission to expose selfishly how dumb the
• 1:00:23
  man is. And in order to show people or
• 1:00:29
  hopefully reveal to people that he's not someone he he makes a
• 1:00:32
  lot of false accusations. He slanders me.
• 1:00:35
  It's to get people to see the slander.
• 1:00:39
  That's self preservation mode. But I, I say, I think I did
• 1:00:41
  tonight. But in the in the case of some
• 1:00:45
  other characters here, it's particularly as their double and
• 1:00:49
  triple downs on harming brothers and sisters in Christ.
• 1:00:54
  And that is just, it's one thing to dust your feet.
• 1:00:58
  It's an and, which I mostly have, but it's another thing to
• 1:01:02
  defend brothers and sisters in Christ who may be hurting and.
• 1:01:07
  That's I think. What motivates me in this
• 1:01:09
  community when I get motivated enough to go?
• 1:01:13
  After somebody. Who isn't going after me?
• 1:01:17
  Sounds like you got the same. Vulnerability that I do that
• 1:01:19
  I've admitted to and conceded to.
• 1:01:21
  People say whatever they want about me.
• 1:01:24
  But when people say things about people, I love that, that
• 1:01:28
  definitely it's a it's a but. And I know that or you know.
• 1:01:33
  Like I, I'm a. Member of a licensing board,
• 1:01:36
  State Bar, California. And this particular individual I
• 1:01:41
  spoke to tonight has made threats.
• 1:01:43
  And actually According to him, I don't know whether he's lying or
• 1:01:46
  not, he's a notorious liar, actually filed A complaint
• 1:01:50
  against me that nothing came out of it.
• 1:01:53
  And I don't, I don't imagine why based on the reasons he said,
• 1:01:58
  but the fact that he's motivated to do that and he has encouraged
• 1:02:02
  other people to do it and another person who threatened to
• 1:02:07
  do it as well. And I don't know if they did it
• 1:02:09
  or not, but it's, it's those kind of things that, yeah, you,
• 1:02:14
  you could, you could. Say anything you.
• 1:02:17
  Want about me, I don't care. They could say, like tonight,
• 1:02:21
  that character that I talked to, he said Rob Reed proved he's not
• 1:02:24
  a Christian. I don't care.
• 1:02:26
  I know who I am. I know my identity in Christ.
• 1:02:29
  He could call me everything in the book.
• 1:02:31
  He could say I'm a fake lawyer or whatever you want.
• 1:02:33
  I know who I am, what degrees I have, whatever, but the minute
• 1:02:38
  you attack my family, especially related to these dramas, that's
• 1:02:42
  where I'm going to be extra. Venomous wouldn't be.
• 1:02:49
  The right word? I'm not sure that'll work.
• 1:02:52
  That sounds about that sounds like a little fit, yeah.
• 1:02:57
  So, Rob, have you ever? I, I don't know if you've
• 1:03:00
  noticed this and all the time that you and I've been on
• 1:03:03
  YouTube, but I get to a point where it's like, OK, I need a
• 1:03:07
  break from this. And I just, I go my merry way
• 1:03:10
  and I always feel a lot better. I always feel like I'm ready for
• 1:03:14
  a new day once I do decide at some point time to return.
• 1:03:18
  Has that ever been a thought? Aren't it?
• 1:03:20
  Oh yeah, for sure. And that's why I did what I did
• 1:03:26
  in 2023, which I encourage you to do.
• 1:03:29
  It'd be pretty cool if you decided to do it.
• 1:03:31
  And I don't know if you're led to do it to actually read
• 1:03:34
  Scripture, like take a Bible in your reading and do it once a
• 1:03:38
  day, open up chat and have people just talk about the
• 1:03:41
  reading. That was my goal and I, I got a
• 1:03:47
  lot out of it. So, and that was totally a God
• 1:03:49
  thing. It helped that it came at at a
• 1:03:53
  time when one of the evils that existed here.
• 1:03:58
  You know, I don't like to use a non biblical thing, but you
• 1:04:01
  know, karma. I don't believe in karma per SE,
• 1:04:04
  but I'm using it as a late. What you sow is kind.
• 1:04:07
  Of like karma exactly and so. This particular individual in
• 1:04:11
  our community reaped what he sowed he and unfortunately, I
• 1:04:18
  think God was sending him a message.
• 1:04:20
  Slow down, behave yourself, be contrite, recognize that you
• 1:04:28
  aren't all that that you. There's a lot for you to learn
• 1:04:32
  that perhaps you should not be a teacher, you're not qualified to
• 1:04:36
  be. And so we'll make sure that we
• 1:04:37
  establish reasons as stated in Scripture of why you would not
• 1:04:42
  be qualified to be and have actually have it become public
• 1:04:46
  and all that stuff is public and then that person, so that person
• 1:04:50
  left. There was a lot of disgruntled
• 1:04:53
  people. There was there were problems in
• 1:04:56
  this community and God led me to write some more music.
• 1:04:59
  That was 2023 was a great year for me in that regard because I
• 1:05:05
  I was writing music. I was in his word every day and
• 1:05:08
  I was actively thinking about what his word was saying to me
• 1:05:14
  and I learned so much. And so I've had those moments
• 1:05:19
  now YouTube I, I try and use for fellowship if I can, but it's,
• 1:05:24
  it's just, it's, it's reached the stage where it's, it's
• 1:05:30
  really stagnant here. But this, this particular
• 1:05:33
  community that I just happened to fall into.
• 1:05:35
  So there are so many other communities out there that Brad,
• 1:05:41
  I would encourage you to try and like move on to, to bigger
• 1:05:44
  pastures or at least don't be depend if I was to start again.
• 1:05:49
  And maybe it will happen because my son's about to start college
• 1:05:54
  and so my wife and I are going to have fewer things to focus
• 1:05:58
  on. So I might very well get back to
• 1:06:01
  trying to work on YouTube channels or do more Bible
• 1:06:03
  studies and things like that. Maybe.
• 1:06:06
  But. Well, I got an idea for.
• 1:06:10
  You that you might actually be interested in.
• 1:06:13
  You ever heard a copilot? No.
• 1:06:17
  It's a let. Me, let me get you this link
• 1:06:20
  real quick. I guarantee once I show you
• 1:06:23
  this, this will blow your mind and you'll be like wow, 'cause
• 1:06:26
  you could do this on your videos and whenever you're doing live
• 1:06:29
  stuff. Let's see.
• 1:06:34
  OK, there we go. Did you post Korea?
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, you're going to really like this a lot.
• 1:06:45
  I'm going to put it in private chat for you.
• 1:06:49
  OK, it looks like Bruce. Came in a little while ago, he
• 1:06:54
  don't like me. Unfortunately, I wasn't paying
• 1:06:57
  attention. There you go, see the link.
• 1:06:59
  I gave you. Now when you open it up, let me
• 1:07:02
  know that you've got the page open and I'll show you how to
• 1:07:05
  work this real quick. Just a minute.
• 1:07:08
  OK? Do you see a microphone button?
• 1:07:11
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:07:14
  In 10 seconds click that button and say hello how are you and
• 1:07:19
  see what happens. Help.
• 1:07:23
  Hold on, let me allow it. Hey, how are you?
• 1:07:40
  How are you? Maybe you can't hear me because.
• 1:07:46
  I'm on the thing with. You can you hear me?
• 1:07:49
  OK. Yeah, you might have to.
• 1:07:54
  Do the settings where your microphone's going through it in
• 1:07:57
  order to hear it. Yeah, it's OK.
• 1:07:59
  I'll. Try it out though.
• 1:08:01
  So you you can. It's just a.
• 1:08:03
  It's a ChatGPT kind of thing. No, not chat.
• 1:08:07
  GTP, it's a lot more advanced than that.
• 1:08:10
  Let me see if there's a way I can put it up on the screen for
• 1:08:15
  you real quick 'cause you'll love this, I guarantee it.
• 1:08:18
  Let's see share screen and OK, we'll go with this.
• 1:08:25
  Also, share tab audio. Let me see Window.
• 1:08:32
  Well, I guess we'll go with Windows, see if that'll work.
• 1:08:38
  All right. You able to?
• 1:08:42
  OK. You can see it on the screen
• 1:08:43
  through your shared screen. Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  All right. Hello.
• 1:08:52
  Hey, how you doing? Well, hold on one second, Rob.
• 1:08:58
  Can you hear it? No.
• 1:09:01
  You can't hear it, Rob. I didn't.
• 1:09:04
  I thought I heard the hello first though, but I didn't.
• 1:09:06
  I didn't hear it just now after you said how you doing?
• 1:09:08
  Let me. There's a share audio.
• 1:09:12
  Share. Tab and share.
• 1:09:14
  Audio audio on there. OK.
• 1:09:18
  I think I saw. You do something fairly recently
• 1:09:20
  with this let's. See.
• 1:09:25
  You were you were doing. Some.
• 1:09:26
  You were having a theological conversation with it, I think.
• 1:09:30
  Let's. Try this.
• 1:09:32
  I'm trying to it's not wanting to hit go through on the share
• 1:09:40
  part for some reason. Let.
• 1:09:44
  Me see if it how's it going? Tell me a little bit.
• 1:09:55
  About Jesus. Check.
• 1:10:01
  Tell me about. Jesus, it says.
• 1:10:08
  I have two minutes remaining. Yeah, you got to be signed.
• 1:10:12
  In in order for it to go through.
• 1:10:15
  Yeah, I'll, I'll try it. When we get off, it's something
• 1:10:17
  probably. Well, the the point.
• 1:10:20
  Was is that if you decide to do a video like what you're talking
• 1:10:23
  about where you read in scripture, you could actually
• 1:10:26
  have a discussion with it back and forth on it.
• 1:10:29
  And the beauty of it is is it isn't all emotional.
• 1:10:33
  So it's not going to get aggravated with you if you know
• 1:10:36
  you say something that doesn't like so you might enjoy that.
• 1:10:41
  Thanks, I'm. Going to keep it.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah, you probably did. See me do a couple videos like
• 1:10:50
  that. It's complicated to try to do it
• 1:10:52
  through stream yards, but there you go.
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm trying. To remember what you did.
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  I think I disagreed with the point that it was making.
• 1:11:00
  I can't remember what you guys were talking about though, or
• 1:11:02
  you were talking about with the machine.
• 1:11:04
  We've talked about everything. For free will predestination,
• 1:11:07
  are we under laws and commandments?
• 1:11:11
  It might have been that it might have.
• 1:11:13
  Been on the Old Testament versus New, right?
• 1:11:17
  Did you do that? I kind of.
• 1:11:19
  Remember that I think talked about all kinds of.
• 1:11:21
  Stuff. Yeah, I.
• 1:11:23
  Just would say, you know. You're better off with an actual
• 1:11:26
  like live person who studied, I'm not saying me, but like a
• 1:11:30
  pastor and person. Do you go to church or you find
• 1:11:33
  you didn't find a church that like you fit?
• 1:11:36
  There's one little church. In my area and I, it's the
• 1:11:40
  church my grandfather goes to. I went with him and he tried to
• 1:11:46
  humiliate me at the church. So I, yeah, what he did was, you
• 1:11:51
  know, he said you're going to really like this church, will
• 1:11:53
  you go with me? And he pleaded with me over and
• 1:11:56
  over to go. Well, unfortunately my
• 1:11:58
  grandfather has memory issues. Sometimes he forgets that I'm a
• 1:12:02
  Christian and that I'm saved. He still thinks that I'm a non
• 1:12:06
  believer. So we get in there and he goes,
• 1:12:09
  my grandson, he's a Satanist, you know, to the whole
• 1:12:12
  congregation. I'm like, no, I'm not anything
• 1:12:16
  like that. I'm a Christian and I used to be
• 1:12:19
  a skeptic and all this. And they go, well, it's nice to
• 1:12:22
  meet you and all that. And he goes, yeah, he was just
• 1:12:24
  as evil as can be. And it, it would just made
• 1:12:28
  things really uncomfortable, awkward.
• 1:12:30
  They did talk to me on the side and say, look, we we understand
• 1:12:34
  your grandfather's older and he's got some issues.
• 1:12:38
  You're always welcome to come in and all that.
• 1:12:40
  I said, well, if I do, it probably won't be while my
• 1:12:43
  grandfather's actually here because I don't want to go
• 1:12:45
  through that. Yeah, I'm sorry that.
• 1:12:49
  Happened to you, But it's important to have that kind of
• 1:12:53
  fellowship in person. You're not going to agree with
• 1:12:56
  everything, but you need that. You know, there are people that
• 1:13:03
  have studied a lot more than we have.
• 1:13:06
  I know you've studied a lot though, and I've studied a lot,
• 1:13:10
  but there I Rob, unfortunately. For me, I did actually try to go
• 1:13:15
  out to a church a little bit. I actually my wife wanted to try
• 1:13:19
  going to church again too. And I told her, hey, you know,
• 1:13:23
  go for it if if it makes you happy and you feel like this is
• 1:13:26
  the way to go, rock'n'roll. When she went there, apparently
• 1:13:30
  my name had gotten so popular at that point and stuff that even
• 1:13:35
  the some of the churches knew who I was and they basically
• 1:13:38
  tried to. I hate to.
• 1:13:41
  Say it, but they. Actually tried to get her to
• 1:13:43
  divorce me because they said that she was unevenly yoked so.
• 1:13:48
  That's the reason. Why?
• 1:13:50
  I don't want to put myself in a position.
• 1:13:52
  I don't mind people disagreeing with me.
• 1:13:55
  I don't mind, you know, there being some different
• 1:13:57
  interpretations. I'm a very lenient, laid back
• 1:14:00
  type of guy, but man, they went right at the wife and everything
• 1:14:05
  and we've got children together, everything else.
• 1:14:07
  And it's like, man, we don't need that kind of nonsense in
• 1:14:11
  our life. I'm sorry that happened to you.
• 1:14:13
  Do you are you like right away kind of vocal and people know
• 1:14:16
  who you are right away or like do you go out to introduce
• 1:14:19
  yourself kind of thing right away or are you kind of passive?
• 1:14:24
  See the problem? Rob is that whenever I was an
• 1:14:26
  atheist, I was big on going to different churches and sitting
• 1:14:31
  down with the preachers and having discussions with them.
• 1:14:34
  And I would ask some permission if I could record and all that.
• 1:14:37
  And there were also phone discussions where I let people
• 1:14:41
  know. I don't know if you Remember Me,
• 1:14:42
  Do I remember? So I I was.
• 1:14:45
  Never if you remember I'd never called them names.
• 1:14:49
  I was never cruel or anything like that.
• 1:14:51
  We just had chill conversations and I truly wanted to understand
• 1:14:55
  where they were coming from. But because of that I've become
• 1:15:00
  like a it doesn't matter how much I say I'm saved or I've
• 1:15:05
  accepted Jesus for some reason Lutheran seem very cool.
• 1:15:10
  They seem nice and and let things fly.
• 1:15:12
  But boy oh boy, if I go near a Pentecostal or Baptist Church,
• 1:15:16
  there's a good chance I might get taken behind the woodshed.
• 1:15:19
  Wow. That's too bad.
• 1:15:23
  That's rough. I'm.
• 1:15:25
  Sorry, I get it that Rob, it's it's.
• 1:15:28
  My own fault. I shouldn't have irritated
• 1:15:32
  people. Well, of all people that.
• 1:15:33
  Should be forgiving and understand it'd be, you know,
• 1:15:36
  allegedly Christian leadership but.
• 1:15:40
  Unfortunately, I guess. There's you.
• 1:15:44
  Know. We it's not as much of a
• 1:15:45
  cesspool in real life, but there there is church politics.
• 1:15:49
  I see it less in California. Let's just say that so well, I
• 1:15:52
  always remind. Myself, anytime I run into some
• 1:15:56
  people who are like that, whether they're in the Church of
• 1:15:58
  social media, the Bible clearly says that there's going to be
• 1:16:02
  false teachers, there's going to be wolves.
• 1:16:04
  So and the, and the, if the weight is narrow, then doesn't
• 1:16:08
  that logically, rationally mean that a lot of people out there
• 1:16:11
  are not going to be on the right road or maybe they're in a
• 1:16:15
  pothole at the moment? So I just think of it like that.
• 1:16:18
  And I just figured God will when whenever he's ready to will him,
• 1:16:22
  they'll they'll get in the direction they need to go or
• 1:16:25
  they'll go somewhere else. That's.
• 1:16:28
  Where I. Went that was the way I dodged
• 1:16:30
  the hurdle. That's pretty much another way
• 1:16:32
  to say it, right? It was like I I trust in God.
• 1:16:35
  I trust in his goodness and and I will and his perfect justice
• 1:16:39
  and I will accept that notwithstanding my own personal
• 1:16:43
  desires. Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  You know, Rob, you were saying? That you, it's very important to
• 1:16:48
  you that evil is exposed and all that.
• 1:16:51
  There's one thing I've learned, but sometimes if you just back
• 1:16:55
  away and just let God take care of it, evil people tend to
• 1:16:59
  eventually hang themselves. I, I don't know if that makes
• 1:17:03
  sense to you, but they, they'll do something, they'll, they'll
• 1:17:06
  make a really, really bad thing and they'll end up burning the
• 1:17:10
  very bridge that they're standing on.
• 1:17:13
  We've seen. It I've seen it.
• 1:17:14
  Here I've seen it. Here I saw a guy that was
• 1:17:18
  accusatory of a variety of different people and and hateful
• 1:17:22
  two brothers and sisters in Christ and he pled guilty to
• 1:17:27
  something pretty nasty. I know who you're.
• 1:17:30
  Talking. About that person was awful to
• 1:17:32
  me. They made it very difficult for
• 1:17:34
  me to be able to find any room in the Christian community once
• 1:17:38
  I became a Christian. But I didn't.
• 1:17:42
  I did not I. Did not celebrate whenever they
• 1:17:45
  fell, though. I did not go.
• 1:17:47
  Oh, thank you. Jesus.
• 1:17:48
  I thought what happened was horrible.
• 1:17:50
  I yeah, I I didn't. Say thank you Jesus either I
• 1:17:55
  what I did say and how I felt was that that the.
• 1:18:01
  Reaping. From the sowing has occurred or
• 1:18:05
  the sowing, you know, the reaping and sowing has occurred
• 1:18:07
  for what was sown. So I, I did see, I was hopeful
• 1:18:13
  that the individual would would change and unfortunately that
• 1:18:20
  didn't happen. So that.
• 1:18:22
  Saddens me more than. Anything else?
• 1:18:25
  Do you want me to? Later on, change the title to
• 1:18:28
  Rob and Brett. Just have a discussion and all
• 1:18:31
  that, because it seems like you got a lot of things on your
• 1:18:34
  mind, and if you'd rather talk about that than me hitting you
• 1:18:38
  with these questions and stuff about all this, you seem like
• 1:18:42
  you got a burden on you right now, really.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah, this I. Mean, I, I know that you laugh
• 1:18:49
  and everything and you try to have fun and take it as a joke,
• 1:18:52
  but you seem like it's, it's kind of weighing on you a bit.
• 1:18:58
  Well, I mean. It it does sadden me that that
• 1:19:02
  evil. Can have a foothold.
• 1:19:06
  Among people that it where it shouldn't.
• 1:19:09
  So that would be the burden. I guess if you see that I don't
• 1:19:12
  feel it as a burden. That's why I'm kind of surprised
• 1:19:14
  that you said because I don't think about this on a daily
• 1:19:17
  basis. You know, might be awesome, but
• 1:19:23
  if you're an empathetic. Person you're you're a person
• 1:19:26
  that wants to see changes and all that.
• 1:19:28
  Now, if you could have it the way you wanted, when when you we
• 1:19:32
  talk about exposing evil, how would you define that exactly?
• 1:19:37
  I've got my own version of what exposing evil means.
• 1:19:40
  Now, if you could have it your way, what would that look like?
• 1:19:44
  Visualize it for me. Well, I'd I'd think from.
• 1:19:47
  A biblical standpoint. Now this YouTube is not church
• 1:19:51
  and I've said that since I started.
• 1:19:54
  So we have to be careful. However, the church exists in
• 1:19:57
  it, that being where two or more gathered.
• 1:20:00
  He's here and the church is the people's, the body of Christ,
• 1:20:05
  the brothers and sisters in Christ.
• 1:20:08
  And so the way that that looks in any community that involves
• 1:20:11
  brothers and sisters in Christ is to reveal to them to people
• 1:20:18
  who need. To be warned.
• 1:20:20
  To see the presence of the evil and then they have to decide on
• 1:20:26
  their own whether you know they're going to accept that or
• 1:20:28
  whether they're going to embrace it.
• 1:20:30
  The sad thing is in in this community, again, there's a lot
• 1:20:34
  of people where this is a substantial part of their life
• 1:20:40
  that they they find an attraction to a power that.
• 1:20:51
  Anti fruit of the. Spirit can get you with the
• 1:20:55
  world, you know, in a tension through hatred and discord and
• 1:21:01
  dissension and lacking of love and hatred and all of those
• 1:21:06
  things. People embrace that.
• 1:21:11
  And 1st Corinthians 5 shows us a, a standard that Paul had with
• 1:21:19
  the church to say we we can't tolerate this stuff.
• 1:21:28
  You know, that you're freely tolerating evil in your midst
• 1:21:33
  and a little yeast messes up the whole dough.
• 1:21:37
  So that's how it I picture it here.
• 1:21:42
  The problem is that those kind of things should be done from a
• 1:21:46
  biblical standpoint in private, and that's where the fine line
• 1:21:52
  goes. So the right way to do it would
• 1:21:54
  be in private. I don't do.
• 1:21:57
  It that way, but usually, you know, I, I, I would be happy to
• 1:22:02
  talk. For instance, the person I
• 1:22:03
  talked to tonight, if he didn't intend on trying to embarrass me
• 1:22:07
  or disparage me or slander me, he wouldn't have done.
• 1:22:10
  He had these questions for me, allegedly, if he truly sought my
• 1:22:15
  best interest. And again, I'm not saying I'm
• 1:22:17
  any different. I like, I, I've made the same
• 1:22:20
  mistakes continuously. But if he truly felt that he
• 1:22:24
  wanted to win a brother or he wanted to get peace or he wanted
• 1:22:27
  to really have answers to his questions, he would have said,
• 1:22:30
  Rob, send me an e-mail. You know, I have these questions
• 1:22:33
  about you. I think you have an identity
• 1:22:35
  crisis. I think you have mental illness.
• 1:22:36
  What is happening with you? Those kind of things that he
• 1:22:41
  would have done it in private. I see why.
• 1:22:44
  Does he think there's some? Kind of identity crisis.
• 1:22:47
  I didn't understand any of that that was going on because I'm
• 1:22:51
  because I'm trolling. Him on my own community page.
• 1:22:53
  He he he says that I'm a a cyber stalker and he claims that I am
• 1:22:58
  and that he but he stalks me. So I just have to post something
• 1:23:01
  in my community page and he'll respond to it.
• 1:23:04
  Even thinking that something I posted has nothing to do with
• 1:23:08
  him, has everything to do with him.
• 1:23:10
  So there's an element of me trolling a little bit with that
• 1:23:13
  stuff. There's no identity crisis.
• 1:23:16
  My channel is pretty clear and my I'm no different today than I
• 1:23:19
  was six months ago. You were saying earlier?
• 1:23:24
  That some of the people that are in the community, both of them,
• 1:23:27
  obviously the big atheists and the religious community, that
• 1:23:31
  you find that some people might actually be mentally ill, yes.
• 1:23:37
  Now you you probably. Realize this just as well as as
• 1:23:41
  me. But if somebody is insane or
• 1:23:43
  they're crazy or sociopath, they don't realize that crazy people
• 1:23:48
  don't know they're crazy. That's where I have, yeah,
• 1:23:53
  that's where I have some empathy.
• 1:23:54
  Because there's, there's people in this community that you know,
• 1:23:57
  I'm a lawyer. I have the means to do certain
• 1:24:00
  things. Who?
• 1:24:03
  I could sue, but who I? Am lenient to because of that.
• 1:24:11
  The the problem with. That is that if their their
• 1:24:13
  mental illness leads them to do something that could harm me or
• 1:24:16
  damage me, for instance getting me in trouble with my licensing
• 1:24:20
  board over YouTube drama, then then I all bets are off at that
• 1:24:28
  point. But I lawyers.
• 1:24:32
  Lawyers have. Don't lawyers, no matter how big
• 1:24:35
  they are or what level of lawyer they are, don't they receive
• 1:24:39
  hate mail and, and people are always unhappy because things
• 1:24:43
  didn't go their way or whatever? Well, there's yeah, there's
• 1:24:46
  always. One side, I mean, I do primarily
• 1:24:48
  defense work now, so I'm taking depositions of people who I'm
• 1:24:52
  trying to save my client money. And one of the ways that I do
• 1:24:57
  that is to try and spot a holes in their case.
• 1:25:00
  So yeah, I, the people aren't generally fans of me on some
• 1:25:05
  side. That being said, they don't file
• 1:25:09
  State Bar complaints against me because I, I hurt their
• 1:25:12
  feelings. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:13
  What I what I mean is. What I'm getting at is it's,
• 1:25:16
  it's common practice that people are mean.
• 1:25:19
  I mean, you even hear the meme about jokes towards lawyers all
• 1:25:22
  the time, even though I I believe that what they do, a
• 1:25:27
  great deal of them do it because they actually care and they feel
• 1:25:30
  it's important to bring just to the client.
• 1:25:33
  But the point is, is since it's so common that people complain
• 1:25:38
  and whine, why should there be any concern that any other
• 1:25:43
  complaints could cause you any kind of issue in the first
• 1:25:46
  place? I don't know if I understand
• 1:25:49
  that question. In what context?
• 1:25:50
  He's saying if somebody well, because lawyers get complained.
• 1:25:53
  About all the time, Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I have a thick.
• 1:25:56
  Skin because of my choice of career.
• 1:25:58
  So it's it's hard. I'm not talking much personally.
• 1:26:01
  What I mean is, can if someone were to call and be an idiot and
• 1:26:07
  say some ignorant stuff about you, it couldn't actually do
• 1:26:10
  anything to you though, right? Well, I mean it depends.
• 1:26:14
  It depends on how far they lie. I mean, the person tonight has
• 1:26:17
  said that I've, I've, I've started a conspiracy against him
• 1:26:23
  that I call him, you know, APDF file, which I never have.
• 1:26:30
  You know, all these various things that if he makes a
• 1:26:33
  complaint to a state licensing board and they don't.
• 1:26:38
  See. Through the insanity, and it
• 1:26:41
  requires that I defend myself. Then, you know, it takes time.
• 1:26:45
  It takes time. And that's concerning the
• 1:26:48
  system. The system has so many issues
• 1:26:51
  that it may not be resolved in your favor.
• 1:26:54
  Well, that's a part of the threat.
• 1:26:56
  From the other person, the hooded preacher, the Saint his
• 1:27:02
  his claim to me which showed his animosity and his desire to harm
• 1:27:08
  me and my family was he feels he got screwed by the secular
• 1:27:14
  system. So he was going to try and use
• 1:27:17
  the secular system that screwed him to screw me.
• 1:27:23
  But you've got a pretty good. Reputation as a lawyer, right?
• 1:27:26
  There's no issues you really got to worry about, No.
• 1:27:31
  But it's still, it's the. Idea that somebody's out here
• 1:27:34
  over YouTube drama trying to do that and to lead other people to
• 1:27:39
  do it. In fact, in the case of Mr. St.,
• 1:27:43
  he was going to have 30 other people, most of whom I don't
• 1:27:47
  even know, sign off on it. And I don't know all the
• 1:27:55
  insurance. And outs of the drama between
• 1:27:57
  you and them. Guys, I don't even know how it
• 1:27:59
  started, but the the only suggestion I can give is it's
• 1:28:03
  obvious that every time you guys are interacting with each other,
• 1:28:07
  just flames go up. Maybe just use like an app like
• 1:28:12
  I do where I can completely block the thumbnails and
• 1:28:15
  channels or I never have to hear what they say.
• 1:28:18
  Yeah, yeah. And I I don't.
• 1:28:19
  I don't listen. It's usually someone else saying
• 1:28:22
  that they're doing something or they're posting, and I largely
• 1:28:25
  ignore it. Largely ignore it.
• 1:28:30
  I hope, I hope. You understand?
• 1:28:31
  I'm not saying you're right or wrong or anything like that, but
• 1:28:34
  I agree. But I.
• 1:28:35
  I'm saying you are right. I I'm agreeing with you that the
• 1:28:41
  drama here isn't worth any. Emotional.
• 1:28:45
  Level, but again, like I said, what, what I've seen the amount
• 1:28:50
  of evil that I've seen, particularly against a family
• 1:28:53
  who lost a child that I, I personally can't let go of that.
• 1:28:58
  And it's not even my child who who was harmed.
• 1:29:04
  But it, I guess maybe there's an element that I think about if
• 1:29:07
  something did happen to my child, that there would be
• 1:29:09
  people who allege who, who say and claim Christ, who would be
• 1:29:14
  overjoyed at the harm of my child and mock me for it or the
• 1:29:19
  death of my child. I, I cannot that is that sets me
• 1:29:24
  off so that if you see anything in me, that's it's still, you
• 1:29:28
  know, we're we're picking at that wound and I have to believe
• 1:29:31
  that you totally understand that, especially as a father.
• 1:29:34
  I do. I do.
• 1:29:35
  But unless you the. Problem is is that.
• 1:29:40
  You and I are in a position where like if I got people who
• 1:29:44
  are giving me shit, which I do on a daily basis, I have two
• 1:29:49
  choices. I can either take it to the Max
• 1:29:51
  and try to take them to court. Which cops and lawyers around
• 1:29:55
  here take the Internet as a damn joke?
• 1:29:58
  Not even right all that. And that's the advice I
• 1:30:00
  constantly give people is I'm like that.
• 1:30:02
  What is this? I'm not.
• 1:30:03
  They don't want me bothered, you know, or, or I can.
• 1:30:07
  Continue to listen to what the goons who don't like me say.
• 1:30:12
  See that the only thing it seems like the only option I got is I
• 1:30:16
  can either let them hurt me and they know what hurts me.
• 1:30:19
  So they'll keep doing it because that's what manipulative,
• 1:30:22
  hateful people do. So I just block cracks.
• 1:30:25
  I just say, all right, I'm done. I'm not hearing this because
• 1:30:29
  nothing rational is going to come from this side.
• 1:30:33
  And I know and you're, you're extremely intelligent, Rob.
• 1:30:36
  So I'm just saying man, maybe it break it off.
• 1:30:40
  How did you even manage to see the live show was put up about
• 1:30:44
  you? Well, it appeared in my.
• 1:30:46
  Feed I I was actually testing something on Stream Yard today
• 1:30:50
  because my computer here needed to be updated.
• 1:30:54
  I haven't used in a while and I was thinking of recording some
• 1:30:56
  music, which I actually did earlier.
• 1:30:58
  And at the same time I was prepping to make sure I was
• 1:31:02
  updated and got my stream deck together.
• 1:31:06
  And I was doing all this stuff and I was testing it.
• 1:31:08
  And as I was in YouTube testing it, it popped up in my feed as
• 1:31:12
  suggested. I don't even subscribe to these
• 1:31:14
  guys and it was probably suggested because he put my name
• 1:31:18
  in the subject line. I think that I also have.
• 1:31:23
  This thing too, Rob, where I annoy people because when I'm
• 1:31:27
  being like confronted and I know someone's trying to dig a hole
• 1:31:30
  for me and throw me into it, I get kind of passive aggressive.
• 1:31:34
  I'm like, well that's awful that's terrible news, you know,
• 1:31:38
  sad to hear about that yeah. And so from.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah, from me. I mean, the thing, I was getting
• 1:31:43
  frustrated. I was going to be serious when I
• 1:31:45
  went into Ryan's chat. I probably wouldn't have been
• 1:31:48
  very nice, but instead he went through that whole AI thing and
• 1:31:53
  he booted me three times. And it's like if you put in your
• 1:31:57
  chat in your subject line of your stream yard thing that
• 1:32:00
  you're posting or whatever he's doing, the ex, the Evmex or
• 1:32:04
  whatever it is, you put my name and say inviting Rob Reed.
• 1:32:08
  And then you don't allow Rob Reed in because you say he's AI.
• 1:32:14
  Now I'm just going to be, I'm just going to be a total troll
• 1:32:18
  and that. And that's what I did.
• 1:32:20
  You know, I did tell him what I would have told him on a serious
• 1:32:25
  level. For instance, there was a
• 1:32:27
  picture of me and a Talit and I was in a Jewish synagogue
• 1:32:30
  because I was at a family member's bar mitzvah and they
• 1:32:34
  asked me. To.
• 1:32:34
  Pray. And I thought it was awesome
• 1:32:38
  because Jesus did the same thing.
• 1:32:41
  And that's what my my Christian wife, who had never seen a bar
• 1:32:44
  mitzvah before, she enjoyed as well.
• 1:32:47
  And my son, who had never seen a bar mitzvah before.
• 1:32:52
  So what's the issue? Why?
• 1:32:53
  Why does anybody think it's wrong to to pray with another
• 1:32:57
  group of people, even if your views are somewhat different?
• 1:33:00
  Well, I don't think that's. What he was.
• 1:33:02
  Attacking per SE. He was attacking my trolling in
• 1:33:05
  my own community chat where I would call myself former former
• 1:33:10
  Jew to indicate, you know, I did that and then former, former,
• 1:33:14
  former Jew, clearly. It's it's humorous.
• 1:33:19
  And clearly it was made to be designed to make it obvious.
• 1:33:24
  I misspelled Zoroastrianism, put 2RS and put a picture of Zorro
• 1:33:28
  to make sure that people were clear that I wasn't misspelling
• 1:33:32
  it because I didn't know how to spell it.
• 1:33:36
  And yet, and and this is where the mental illness could be or
• 1:33:40
  it could be autism, whatever it is where this person cannot see
• 1:33:45
  that that's what I did. And he's taking it seriously on
• 1:33:49
  that. He started with community.
• 1:33:51
  Post this started. With Community Post, because
• 1:33:55
  Ryan has it out for me and because he knows, as I've told
• 1:34:00
  him, that it's actually a misdemeanor to file a false
• 1:34:04
  State Bar complaint, that State Bar complaints are usually made
• 1:34:08
  by clients who have an attorney and that attorney does something
• 1:34:12
  unprofessional. It's not what they determine.
• 1:34:16
  Well, I've never seen, as Ryan said tonight, I've never seen an
• 1:34:20
  attorney act silly on YouTube or something.
• 1:34:23
  It's like, OK, but it's not against my professional code of
• 1:34:30
  ethics to be. Silly on.
• 1:34:33
  YouTube and it's silly to believe otherwise.
• 1:34:36
  And so that's why I mock it and because he has because he knows
• 1:34:41
  that it's there's potential criminal liability for him that
• 1:34:46
  I warned him and I didn't have to, but I didn't want him to get
• 1:34:48
  into trouble. And I told him and it's the
• 1:34:51
  truth that if this requires that I win any claim, any complaint
• 1:34:56
  that you make is silly. I have a good reputation in the
• 1:34:59
  community. I have no prior misconducts,
• 1:35:01
  nothing like that. I've been doing this for, I've
• 1:35:04
  been a lawyer for 30 years this December that I'm not worried
• 1:35:08
  about it. But if I have to go through the
• 1:35:11
  motions because there's some whack job at the State Bar who
• 1:35:15
  somehow is eating up everything, every lie that Ryan gives them,
• 1:35:22
  then it's going to take time and effort.
• 1:35:24
  And I don't want to have to do time and effort over something.
• 1:35:28
  It's a waste of time that I'll take away from my family and
• 1:35:31
  whatever else. And at the risk that I do get
• 1:35:33
  railroaded by the secular system, right?
• 1:35:35
  Because somebody who knows. There's.
• 1:35:39
  Always a chance that something can happen that doesn't go your
• 1:35:43
  way that somebody says yeah, you know what we need to take away
• 1:35:45
  his license. I don't know.
• 1:35:48
  I don't I can't imagine that would be the case.
• 1:35:50
  But I'm just saying the fact that it would that somebody's
• 1:35:53
  going to go that far because I originally started as the man
• 1:35:58
  will tell you what I talked tonight.
• 1:36:00
  It originally started where I called him a rhymes with Hunt
• 1:36:04
  the. Truth is.
• 1:36:05
  He is one of those. So I, I, it wasn't slander, it
• 1:36:09
  was the truth. And that set off a whole range
• 1:36:15
  of things that therefore he was going to file a criminal
• 1:36:18
  complaint against me for hate crimes because he has a
• 1:36:22
  disability. It's insanity, Brett is.
• 1:36:27
  What I'm saying? Goodness.
• 1:36:31
  Gracious goodness, gracious is. Right.
• 1:36:35
  Hate crime because I called a guy who happens to have cerebral
• 1:36:39
  palsy. I don't know whether or not he
• 1:36:41
  does. I've never seen his medical
• 1:36:43
  reports. Apparently he does.
• 1:36:45
  I wasn't attacking him because he has cerebral palsy.
• 1:36:48
  I was attacking him because he's an asshole.
• 1:36:52
  That's fair enough. Well, you know me, no matter
• 1:36:56
  what condition someone's in, if I feel like you're being an
• 1:36:59
  asshole, I'll let them know. So I get you.
• 1:37:02
  So yeah, I, I, I'm. Much prefer mocking the assholes
• 1:37:08
  and so that's that's mostly what I do.
• 1:37:11
  I just don't have enough as much time to do that anymore.
• 1:37:14
  And I don't think that it's really worthwhile.
• 1:37:16
  And, and my endeavour here, particularly with my music and
• 1:37:19
  particularly with the Bible studies that I did is to, is to
• 1:37:22
  win more people for the gospel and to edify the body of Christ
• 1:37:26
  and to help sharpen iron. You know, I, I don't know
• 1:37:29
  everything, not even close as it relates to God.
• 1:37:33
  And I want to hear other perspectives and I want to be
• 1:37:36
  influenced and corrected that should.
• 1:37:39
  Be our attitude, that's. A That's the Jewish tradition,
• 1:37:42
  actually, that we should maintain as Christians is.
• 1:37:48
  Other philosophies. And other thoughts, they're
• 1:37:51
  shared. They're, they're debated.
• 1:37:56
  Like debate is just key in the, in the Jewish community, but
• 1:38:00
  particularly in the religious Jewish community among the, the
• 1:38:02
  rabbis and the, the Sanhedrin's and all the, the rabbinic boards
• 1:38:06
  that exist even today. It's all sharing.
• 1:38:09
  And when it's that's kind of fun to read the Talmud, you know,
• 1:38:14
  for instance, something about the Babylonian Talmud.
• 1:38:16
  There's some cool stuff there. And it's actually great for
• 1:38:19
  Christians in evangelism because you we can actually read rabbis
• 1:38:24
  debating concepts and ideas. And people like Rabbi Tovia
• 1:38:28
  Singer is a counter missionary. He's trying to, to harm
• 1:38:33
  Christians and particularly Christians who are evangelizing
• 1:38:35
  to Jews. He'll say things like, you know,
• 1:38:39
  none of the old rabbis believed that Isaiah 53 was talking about
• 1:38:45
  a person, a suffering. Servant AN.
• 1:38:48
  Individual. And it's like, Oh yeah, I can go
• 1:38:50
  to Babylonian Talmud and show you circa 300.
• 1:38:55
  Well. Before 300.
• 1:38:56
  AD where we can read that the rabbis are debating who the
• 1:39:01
  suffering servant of Isaiah 53 is.
• 1:39:04
  And it's an individual, it's a mashiach, it's the Messiah.
• 1:39:08
  So he's lying, you know, and so it's the debate is great and and
• 1:39:14
  that's the the great thing about YouTube for Christians on a
• 1:39:18
  serious note is to take to listen to both sides, not to say
• 1:39:22
  such and such, you know, Lordship salvation.
• 1:39:24
  They're unsaved 7th day Adventists.
• 1:39:27
  They're unsaved free grace, unsaved hyper for not judging
• 1:39:32
  people's salvation, but sharing ideas, learning and then
• 1:39:37
  sharpening iron. And if you're in a you're with a
• 1:39:40
  person who you feel is so far off in their theology, dust your
• 1:39:45
  feet if they're a person of peace like right now.
• 1:39:47
  I think, Brett, that we disagree on a lot of theological
• 1:39:50
  concepts, at least from what I. Remember.
• 1:39:54
  But you're a person of peace right now and and I'd like you
• 1:39:57
  to think that I'm one for with you as well.
• 1:40:00
  So we now we can share those ideas.
• 1:40:02
  I can tell you why. I think I'm right on something.
• 1:40:05
  You could tell me why you think you're right on something.
• 1:40:08
  It's only when it gets personal or I start attacking your
• 1:40:14
  salvation where we start. Taking the role.
• 1:40:22
  Of Satan as the accuser, rather than of Christ the Edifier, the
• 1:40:29
  Savior. And and Christ.
• 1:40:32
  Will win the day every time there.
• 1:40:35
  And that's that's what we should be focused on, particularly in
• 1:40:38
  this community. Well, I've always encouraged.
• 1:40:40
  People that if they think I'm incorrect about something or
• 1:40:44
  they think I'm misinterpreting to feel free to come in and
• 1:40:48
  correct me or refute me or debunk it, whatever 'cause I do
• 1:40:52
  not want to be walking around blindly or I'm thinking that I
• 1:40:58
  understand something if I actually don't.
• 1:41:00
  I want to be corrected so I can be the strongest servant of God
• 1:41:04
  I can possibly be. So I I've got no issue with it.
• 1:41:08
  And I really don't understand why people do get personal and
• 1:41:11
  get ridiculous like that. What's it going to hurt for
• 1:41:14
  somebody to say what they disagree with or what their view
• 1:41:17
  is? I'm open minded.
• 1:41:20
  And I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, and I like to think that I
• 1:41:23
  am, too. It's just a shame that it has to
• 1:41:27
  be The Jets versus the Sharks. It's hard for people to do that
• 1:41:30
  in the Christian community. And they try, you know what I
• 1:41:32
  mean, by Jets versus Sharks? I think you're old enough.
• 1:41:34
  West Side Story is we're turned into gangs.
• 1:41:37
  You're on this side and we're on this side.
• 1:41:39
  And and the truth is that there are people on both sides that
• 1:41:42
  actually believe the same things.
• 1:41:44
  They just don't believe in the manner of of of being an accuser
• 1:41:53
  or pointing fingers or judging people's salvation.
• 1:41:56
  It's not where I'd want the only thing like I was overjoyed Brett
• 1:42:01
  as all of the angels in heaven were a scripture promises.
• 1:42:05
  When you you started revealing you believed in Jesus as saviors
• 1:42:11
  dying and rising again on the third day for the forgiveness of
• 1:42:15
  sins and there's no better place to at least start.
• 1:42:20
  I don't care if you're a Lordship Salvationist, if you're
• 1:42:22
  an SDAI, don't care if you're a Protestant, a Catholic with that
• 1:42:27
  knowledge as you start and it's up to the Holy Spirit to.
• 1:42:33
  Guide you. Where He wants to at that point
• 1:42:37
  when you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe
• 1:42:39
  in your heart that He was raised from the dead on the third day
• 1:42:42
  for the forgiveness of sins. He dwells in you and guides you.
• 1:42:46
  And it's that fine line between flesh and spirit.
• 1:42:51
  And God wants us to be in that spirit.
• 1:42:55
  And the measure of that is the fruits.
• 1:42:58
  The measure He's given us the whole laundry list.
• 1:43:01
  Look at love, kindness, peace, gentleness, long-suffering.
• 1:43:07
  Those things, there's no. Condemnation against versus the
• 1:43:10
  sentient. Hatred, discord, unkindness.
• 1:43:14
  Hatred, all of those things. If I didn't say that already.
• 1:43:17
  So we've got the guidepost and your demeanor's good, Brett.
• 1:43:21
  It just be be careful of the leaven, you know that that you
• 1:43:25
  might be exposing yourself to. And I'd also say to you like if,
• 1:43:30
  because this is the thing that probably hurts me more than
• 1:43:32
  anything else. And what irked me the most about
• 1:43:35
  a mighty wind that I was trying to expose a mighty wind was a
• 1:43:39
  very works based salvation group.
• 1:43:42
  So much so that their leader said that God was keeping a
• 1:43:47
  report card on every single one of them, keeps one on every one
• 1:43:51
  of us. And if we don't pass the report
• 1:43:53
  card well enough, God will not let us in.
• 1:44:00
  And that is Islam, that's not Christianity.
• 1:44:04
  And we have to be careful with that.
• 1:44:06
  My my. Goal on.
• 1:44:09
  Here, substantially in the time that I've been here, has been to
• 1:44:12
  edify people who proclaim Christ, who are worried about
• 1:44:18
  their salvation based on their works.
• 1:44:22
  To convince them. That God's salvation by grace
• 1:44:26
  that he's given to us through his Son and through through the
• 1:44:31
  blood of Christ. That's the door that we enter.
• 1:44:35
  And as John 10 says, it's like he, he, he's never going to let
• 1:44:39
  you go. And there's nothing that can
• 1:44:41
  separate you. No person can do it.
• 1:44:44
  And if no person can do it, then why?
• 1:44:46
  How do I have the power to do that?
• 1:44:49
  A person who a Christian brother or sister who feels that they're
• 1:44:53
  struggling and that God hates them and they're.
• 1:44:57
  Worried about? It I want to.
• 1:44:59
  Impress upon that. Brother and sister and say to
• 1:45:01
  them, the fact that you're worrying about it is the only
• 1:45:07
  evidence that I need as a Christian brother to tell you
• 1:45:11
  that you're secure. You should be secure because a.
• 1:45:14
  Person who? Doesn't worry about pleasing.
• 1:45:17
  God is a person, I'd say, that has something to worry about.
• 1:45:26
  So I I definitely. Get confused Rob when I listen
• 1:45:30
  to the different groups going back and forth, especially the
• 1:45:33
  and I've told praise this and I've also said this to Smokey
• 1:45:37
  the whole free grace and everybody going back and forth 1
• 1:45:41
  I don't understand why everybody's angry at each other
• 1:45:44
  why they can't just discuss it through without getting all
• 1:45:47
  rough but the second thing is I I.
• 1:45:51
  Think that I might. Fall into the category because
• 1:45:55
  of some of the passages I've read, not because of some of the
• 1:45:58
  influences of other people talking.
• 1:46:00
  But I felt this way even as I was transitioning over because I
• 1:46:05
  had, you understand that when I was a non believer, I felt it
• 1:46:09
  was important that if you were going to argue with people, then
• 1:46:13
  you needed to argue based upon the foundation.
• 1:46:15
  Why do they think this way? Why did they believe this way?
• 1:46:18
  So I felt it was very important that if the Bible is in fact the
• 1:46:22
  word of God or believed to be, I should study it, I should read
• 1:46:26
  it. And one of the things that came
• 1:46:28
  across was that I'm not saying anything about a report card.
• 1:46:32
  And I definitely am not going with Mighty Wind here, but it
• 1:46:36
  does seem as though the works and the sins that people commit
• 1:46:40
  are held to them on Judgement Day.
• 1:46:42
  And I can give passages and sources if you'd like.
• 1:46:47
  I know I. Know where they would be
• 1:46:49
  probably you know, I've I've heard the arguments before, but
• 1:46:52
  what what happens is the way I see it is there's an old.
• 1:46:58
  Covenant that. Served a purpose.
• 1:47:01
  The new covenant that. Serves the higher purpose.
• 1:47:05
  The new covenant, The old. Covenant designed for a a small
• 1:47:09
  nomadic tribe, but for all people to to allow all people,
• 1:47:14
  Gentile and Jew, to be able to measure our worthiness to be in
• 1:47:21
  relationship with the Almighty Creator on our own.
• 1:47:27
  But one of my favorite. Chapters in this conversation is
• 1:47:34
  the book of Hebrews, like a person who depends on works for
• 1:47:39
  their salvation has. To ignore.
• 1:47:43
  The book of Hebrews, I mean the book of Hebrews I I think about
• 1:47:47
  Hebrews 8, which is something I was studying fairly recently.
• 1:47:49
  I did a video on my YouTube channel on this very issue is.
• 1:47:57
  If we read Hebrews. 87 first, if there had been, and this is NIV,
• 1:48:06
  so forgive me if you're not an NIV guy, but it's plain English.
• 1:48:09
  It makes more sense to me for if there had been nothing, I'm not.
• 1:48:13
  I'm not a strict. Person where I say it's got to
• 1:48:16
  be a certain book so don't worry about it good OK, but but the.
• 1:48:19
  The sum and substance of Hebrews 8.
• 1:48:20
  In particular, it refers to the Old Covenant, the laws, as a
• 1:48:27
  covenant of fault that there was.
• 1:48:30
  Something not. Right with it in.
• 1:48:33
  Fact the author of. Hebrews says, For if there had
• 1:48:36
  been nothing wrong with that first covenant, the old
• 1:48:39
  covenant, no place would have been sought for another if all
• 1:48:43
  we needed was salvation by works.
• 1:48:49
  Then there would be. No need for the new covenant,
• 1:48:54
  but it continues it says, but God found fault with the people
• 1:48:58
  and said and then he quotes Jeremiah 31 days are.
• 1:49:03
  Coming when I will make. A new covenant, and it's a new
• 1:49:07
  covenant that will not. Be.
• 1:49:10
  Based on the do's and don'ts of the law.
• 1:49:13
  But I God says he will write the laws on our hearts which I I
• 1:49:18
  alluded to earlier, the conversation of with prophet
• 1:49:21
  prophet Joel, where at some time the Holy Spirit will fall on all
• 1:49:25
  people, which I think is all already happened where we know
• 1:49:29
  atheist, believer, Catholic, Christian, Protestant, Muslim,
• 1:49:33
  everyone in the world knows right from wrong instinctively.
• 1:49:40
  That's the gift of. God in the era of the faultless
• 1:49:45
  covenant, the new covenant, where God writes the law on our
• 1:49:48
  hearts, not as a checklist of do's and don'ts, but for us to
• 1:49:52
  have a recognition of our need for a Savior or an intermediary
• 1:49:59
  who is. Perfect who?
• 1:50:00
  Does meet the law so that we have a means to enter into right
• 1:50:06
  relationship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in eternity,
• 1:50:11
  not by works that we do, but by the work and the faith that
• 1:50:16
  Jesus did and hath and it doesn't get any clearer than
• 1:50:21
  that. I mean Paul even says our faith
• 1:50:23
  is not by works lest we should boast it's but that being said,
• 1:50:29
  God and and how I reconcile this is God wants us to obey him.
• 1:50:34
  The law isn't there as arbitrary, for instance, you
• 1:50:40
  know. Eating bottom.
• 1:50:41
  Feeder food, you know, fish that eat crap on the bottom is not
• 1:50:45
  going to be the best thing for us.
• 1:50:48
  And there's probably a reason, like in my case, that I get
• 1:50:51
  occasional gout attacks from eating too much shrimp or
• 1:50:55
  lobster or whatever it is. Those things, God.
• 1:50:58
  The God's Law. Is leads us to good and better
• 1:51:01
  things that God intends for us. But in the end, as Paul reveals
• 1:51:08
  to us in the New Testament, the law isn't there as the checklist
• 1:51:13
  of do's and don'ts. And obviously I'm paraphrasing.
• 1:51:15
  It's there turned back to us as a mirror so that we can see
• 1:51:21
  everything that we do wrong. And there's going to be
• 1:51:25
  something when there's the laundry list of the people who
• 1:51:29
  won't inherit the Kingdom of God.
• 1:51:31
  If you don't find yourself in that even today, then you're a
• 1:51:36
  liar. And we see.
• 1:51:41
  You agree? Though that and remember we can
• 1:51:45
  disagree. And now still yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:47
  yeah, sure. I.
• 1:51:48
  Understand that you're. Very used to people just being
• 1:51:51
  this outright hateful and all that and the book of
• 1:51:54
  Revelations, it says that it has an entire list of people who are
• 1:51:58
  not going to get in that they'll be thrown like fire liars,
• 1:52:02
  idolaters and cheaters and and it goes on for a good long time.
• 1:52:07
  I think that it even mentioned certain sexual perversions.
• 1:52:11
  Don't want to get my channel in trouble.
• 1:52:13
  So you get, you get where I'm. Going with that.
• 1:52:16
  But. If that's the case.
• 1:52:18
  And someone comes along and they claim to be a Christian, yet
• 1:52:22
  they lie, lie, lie like you have actually pointed out some
• 1:52:25
  people. You feel it's done and
• 1:52:27
  perceived, then how could you? You say, well they can be that,
• 1:52:33
  but they can also thou shalt not lie, bear false witness, but
• 1:52:37
  they break that over and over. You see what I'm getting out of
• 1:52:40
  here? I totally do, and I.
• 1:52:42
  Understand that, but again, that is how.
• 1:52:46
  Without. Jesus, I'm not a universalist.
• 1:52:50
  So there's a choice that we're given.
• 1:52:53
  Remember Universe? But I'm not a universalist.
• 1:52:56
  Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. But remember.
• 1:52:57
  Like in Revelation, I don't remember where it is, but
• 1:52:59
  there's this picture of the Saints and they're dressed all
• 1:53:02
  in white, right? They're they're being dressed in
• 1:53:07
  white, in other words, as a symbol of perfection, purity,
• 1:53:10
  righteousness is not because of anything they did, but because
• 1:53:14
  of what Jesus did and because they aligned with him.
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  And when the Father sees the people in white, he sees the
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  face of his son. He doesn't see them and what
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  they've done so. I would I.
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  Reconcile that with all. Those who are in.
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  Christ through belief and saved, therefore God looks upon them.
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  As white as. Snow not because of what they
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  do, but because of what he Jesus did.
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  And so while each and every one of them is a thief and a liar
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  and a adulterer at heart, or however maybe physically and all
• 1:53:58
  those things, that God that doesn't see that anymore.
• 1:54:05
  That being said, it's. It's good for us to I believe
• 1:54:09
  and and it's a dirty word in free grace being convicted.
• 1:54:12
  I don't know why, but God convicts us of things that we do
• 1:54:16
  bad. But it's Satan, I believe, who
• 1:54:23
  convicts us deep more deeply of the things we do bad to make us
• 1:54:28
  believe when we are in Christ that God will turn His back on
• 1:54:33
  us or leave us. Remember when?
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  I think it's in Mark and it's maybe in Matthew.
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  I can't remember but when. When the person says to.
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  Jesus, Lord, Lord, you know when he says I never knew you?
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  What are those? What are those?
• 1:54:52
  People saying well but wait a minute, God you should have
• 1:54:55
  known me because look at all the works I did.
• 1:54:59
  They don't say look at my. Faith.
• 1:55:03
  They don't. Say but Lord.
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  I Lord, Lord, I I believed in you, I believed in your promise
• 1:55:08
  and I believe that you saved me. They said no Jesus, let me let
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  me show you the checklist of things of why I think you do
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  need to know me and why I deserve to be with you.
• 1:55:20
  I don't think when when you read these.
• 1:55:22
  Passages and I I understand that, but has it ever come
• 1:55:26
  across your mind just said all that Jesus being who he was, he
• 1:55:32
  could see into their heart. Even though they claimed they
• 1:55:36
  did all these things. He knows that they truly
• 1:55:38
  believed in him. A lot of these people who were
• 1:55:41
  making all these claims in the Bible, they were liars
• 1:55:44
  themselves. They were people who were trying
• 1:55:47
  to test him and challenge him constantly.
• 1:55:50
  I I'm not a what I'm not saying I'm not saying that it's all
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  works or nothing kind of thing. I believe that Jesus doesn't
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  want any of us to perish and he'll go all the way to bat for
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  us and dead. The the issue is, I don't think
• 1:56:04
  that someone you were talking about conviction earlier.
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  And for me, that's how I know when I'm dealing with an actual
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  brother and sister in Christ, when they know they'll do wrong
• 1:56:14
  or they unwillfully do something wrong, they feel conviction of
• 1:56:17
  it. That's how I know I'm dealing
• 1:56:19
  with a good person. But we don't.
• 1:56:22
  We don't always get. See, that's the thing.
• 1:56:24
  We we don't always get convicted.
• 1:56:25
  You know, I didn't get convicted enough tonight to not go and
• 1:56:28
  troll in that chat. And I don't think that's what
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  Jesus intended for me to go there and to try and embarrass
• 1:56:35
  someone. And I think that I did.
• 1:56:38
  But you've tried other. Things in the past, you're just,
• 1:56:41
  you're just irritated at this point.
• 1:56:43
  Yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying.
• 1:56:44
  I'm saying that I don't think I lost salvation because I did
• 1:56:48
  that. It is possible, I believe, to
• 1:56:50
  disappoint God in the same way that it we can disappoint our
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  earthly fathers, our earthly mothers, or you know, like our
• 1:56:58
  own children disappoint us at some period of time.
• 1:57:02
  But we our love for our children doesn't change.
• 1:57:08
  And when we profess belief and we really believe in our heart,
• 1:57:14
  we become children of God. These are all promises of
• 1:57:17
  Scripture and we have blessed assurance in that.
• 1:57:20
  I do think that there are people that have a false sense who
• 1:57:25
  think that they're saved. Where what I usually.
• 1:57:29
  See is is a people and I see it today in this community as well
• 1:57:33
  as people who profess Christ, but rather than.
• 1:57:38
  Have the Holy Spirit. Work in them to promote Lovejoy,
• 1:57:43
  kindness, patience, gentleness. They use their identity as a
• 1:57:49
  Christian as a means of condemnation for others.
• 1:57:55
  Especially. Christians, people of the faith,
• 1:57:58
  and I'm reminded of Romans 81. Therefore, there's no
• 1:58:02
  condemnation for all those who are fully known in Christ and to
• 1:58:06
  be fully known in Christ. Again, I'm paraphrasing, is not.
• 1:58:12
  You're not fully known. Because of your good works.
• 1:58:16
  Good works should. Naturally come out of your faith
• 1:58:20
  for sure, but it is possible I believe for a believer to have a
• 1:58:26
  dead faith and yet still be saved.
• 1:58:30
  It's just their life is going to be a struggle.
• 1:58:34
  And most importantly, I don't think God will use those people
• 1:58:39
  in any way shape or form to influence.
• 1:58:43
  He'll just let them do their own thing I like.
• 1:58:46
  To think, for instance. That the people too, in
• 1:58:48
  particular that I've mentioned directly tonight and then
• 1:58:53
  sometimes indirectly that they are brothers in Christ.
• 1:58:59
  But I and I would like, I would persuade them to obey, but they
• 1:59:06
  don't. There's not a promotion among
• 1:59:10
  those two people of Lovejoy, patience, kindness, and all of
• 1:59:15
  those things. There's a promotion of hatred
• 1:59:16
  and discord and dissension and factions and all of those
• 1:59:20
  things. And it, it makes me wonder, the
• 1:59:27
  best thing that I can do for that is not to condemn them and
• 1:59:29
  say that they're not Christian. It would be simply to say, like
• 1:59:33
  you said, we said before, dusting feet to dust feet.
• 1:59:37
  They're not a person of peace for me.
• 1:59:39
  Hope for the best and hope that I do see them in heaven, but I
• 1:59:42
  don't know how that works. Isn't that interesting?
• 1:59:44
  People that we don't get along with here, how do we get along
• 1:59:47
  with them in the next World? It's a good point.
• 1:59:51
  You mind if I share with a couple verses?
• 1:59:53
  I'd like to hear what your view is on it and it's remember I'm
• 1:59:57
  not doing a gotcha or trying to find.
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  Oh sure and I may not. Have an answer but I'll try.
• 2:00:03
  I just want to hear your. Views on it.
• 2:00:05
  All right, I'll do three of them.
• 2:00:08
  Revelation 2012, thirteen. If you want to write it down,
• 2:00:12
  you can. And it says, then I saw the
• 2:00:15
  dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and the books
• 2:00:18
  were open, and the dead were judged by what was written in
• 2:00:22
  the books according to what they had done. 2nd Corinthians 510
• 2:00:26
  says, For we must all appear before the judgment seat of
• 2:00:29
  Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what He
• 2:00:34
  has done in the body, whether good or evil.
• 2:00:38
  And then there's one more, and this is actually in Romans,
• 2:00:41
  Romans 268. He will render to each one
• 2:00:44
  according to his works, to those who by patience and well doing
• 2:00:49
  seek for glory and honor any mortality, He will give eternal
• 2:00:53
  life. But for those who are self
• 2:00:55
  seeking and do not obey the truth, there will be wrath and
• 2:00:59
  fury. What's your thoughts?
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  Let's, let's we. We would need to go to each one.
• 2:01:05
  So I want to I didn't get I didn't get the second one, but
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  I'll I'll get that in a second from you.
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  I got the first. So it's Revelation 20.
• 2:01:14
  And what was the verses again? You got Revelation. 20/12/13 All
• 2:01:19
  right, then you got Second Corinthians 5-10, and then
• 2:01:24
  you've got Romans 6-8. If you need me to repeat it,
• 2:01:28
  it's fine. No, no, no.
• 2:01:30
  We can go I. Mean I I could probably give you
• 2:01:32
  a better answer if I studied and I usually I find that God gives
• 2:01:37
  us an answer somewhere around the the part where there's a
• 2:01:41
  dispute. Well, here let me let me do
• 2:01:43
  something. For you, that'll make it easier
• 2:01:45
  for you when you do look into it.
• 2:01:47
  Yeah, I'm looking at actually I. Actually did a.
• 2:01:49
  Community post about this and so far nobody came at me on it.
• 2:01:56
  It wasn't meant to like oh come get me baby kind of thing but
• 2:02:01
  it's me sharing my view and I thought if anybody thought I was
• 2:02:05
  incorrect feel free to refute it.
• 2:02:07
  I didn't see it, but let's let's.
• 2:02:08
  Start this because I I was in the community.
• 2:02:12
  Private chat. Yeah, Yeah.
• 2:02:14
  I'll look at that. Later, but I do want to let's
• 2:02:15
  address the the scriptures. OK, so there's in in the verses
• 2:02:21
  that you cite in Revelation. We'll start there.
• 2:02:23
  We've got a book of life. The book is open, dead or judged
• 2:02:28
  according to what they have done as recorded in the books.
• 2:02:33
  When we go to the very next. Part of the vision, I would say
• 2:02:38
  that this is a vision of what judgement is like and this is
• 2:02:43
  just thus saith robbery. Without.
• 2:02:47
  A new covenant under the old immediately the vision I think
• 2:02:53
  sorry for my dog if you can hear my dog because I think people
• 2:02:56
  are I can hear him a little bit but.
• 2:02:57
  He ain't cutting me off. I think people are popping.
• 2:03:00
  Fireworks and she's crazy I'm assuming.
• 2:03:02
  Otherwise I got to check. Do you need to let him in or?
• 2:03:04
  Something No, no, no, no. She's in.
• 2:03:06
  She's in. She's just barking from the
• 2:03:08
  fireworks. I'm guessing so the very next
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  part after those verses, you know, and remember this, this
• 2:03:13
  wasn't chaptered and versed and written and typewritten.
• 2:03:17
  You know, it was a, it was sort of like a letter form.
• 2:03:20
  There weren't numbers and you know all those things.
• 2:03:23
  So what comes next after that isn't a new thing.
• 2:03:27
  The the author, John the Revelator, he tells us right
• 2:03:30
  away after that vision of people being judged according to what
• 2:03:34
  they've done. Then, says the writer, I saw a
• 2:03:37
  new heaven and a new earth, for the 1st heaven and the first
• 2:03:41
  earth had passed away. And there was no longer.
• 2:03:46
  Any sea sea like. What was there A.
• 2:03:49
  Reference to a sea there too in 20.
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  I I thought that there was. Hold on.
• 2:03:58
  Yeah, there seems to be a. Transition over to a new earth
• 2:04:01
  and a right and so. What?
• 2:04:04
  What John the. Revelator, I would submit in
• 2:04:07
  this and I do want to go over each one.
• 2:04:10
  He's envisioning the judgement without the Lamb.
• 2:04:16
  Anyone whose name was not. Found written in the book of
• 2:04:18
  Life, was thrown into the lake of fire.
• 2:04:20
  Do think that is a reality for people who are not in Christ,
• 2:04:24
  who don't believe, who are not a part of children of God through
• 2:04:28
  the Lamb. But the hope that John the
• 2:04:32
  revelator revelator get gives us as Christian believers after
• 2:04:37
  that is the new the. Old is gone in other.
• 2:04:41
  Words. This part of Revelation is
• 2:04:44
  reflecting the covenant of fault that we just addressed in
• 2:04:50
  Hebrews 8, and it's the faultless covenant, the new
• 2:04:53
  covenant that then is like the the the clouds disperse of
• 2:04:58
  judgment. There's no condemnation for all
• 2:05:01
  those who are in Christ. Romans 8 one that now there's a
• 2:05:06
  vision of the new that there'll. Be no more.
• 2:05:09
  Death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of
• 2:05:13
  things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne,
• 2:05:17
  God said, I am making everything new.
• 2:05:20
  Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.
• 2:05:24
  He said Jesus, I am. It is done.
• 2:05:28
  The very next chapter. It gives us the hope that we do
• 2:05:33
  not have if all we have is Revelation 20.
• 2:05:37
  That's my answer to that. The next one was Second
• 2:05:39
  Corinthians. What?
• 2:05:43
  All right, let me get. It for you 2nd Corinthians
• 2:05:46
  chapter 5 verse 10 For we must all appear before the judgment
• 2:05:51
  seat of Christ so that each may receive what is due for what he
• 2:05:57
  has done in the body, whether good or evil.
• 2:06:00
  And I also want to tell you in case I didn't say this, I agree.
• 2:06:04
  I believe that God wired morality into us.
• 2:06:09
  Even even non believers will say things like well we don't have
• 2:06:13
  morality because we don't believe in God.
• 2:06:15
  I believe that God put morality in all of us.
• 2:06:17
  It's our choice if we want to feed into it though.
• 2:06:23
  But did you get the verse? Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm.
• 2:06:25
  Reading because usually, like I said, the the I think God gives
• 2:06:29
  us an answer surrounding it. I'll be right back while you're.
• 2:06:38
  Checking that out, I got to use the rest area.
• 2:06:40
  Sure, yeah, no problem. I don't.
• 2:06:42
  Have too much longer but but it's been fun I.
• 2:06:45
  Enjoy hanging out with you. Rob, I'm sorry that you deal
• 2:06:48
  with the aggravation. Maybe you should start
• 2:06:50
  fellowshipping with me. I'm a good encourage we could we
• 2:06:53
  could talk more for. Sure, go ahead, Go to the
• 2:06:57
  bathroom. I'm going to eat some.
• 2:07:01
  Hope you don't put this on. All right, I am.
• 2:08:31
  Back let. Me.
• 2:08:34
  See, here's what I'd. Say about that.
• 2:08:36
  About Second Corinthians 510 can't just can't just cherry
• 2:08:41
  pick single little verses and go out.
• 2:08:44
  I mean, remember. 1. Of the things I enjoy about
• 2:08:48
  Paul's letters, I don't know if enjoy is the right word, but.
• 2:08:53
  There's no point in his. Letters where he's writing, for
• 2:08:55
  instance, now he's writing to the Corinthians or he writes to
• 2:08:58
  the Galatians or he writes, he, he writes letters of
• 2:09:01
  condemnation, I mean, or, or correction.
• 2:09:03
  He's trying to correct them. He's rebuking them.
• 2:09:06
  He's doing it all the ways according to the fruit of the
• 2:09:09
  Spirit, which I love. But we don't see him at any
• 2:09:12
  point in time here with the. Corinthians, for instance.
• 2:09:16
  He's trying to correct them and they're not listening to him.
• 2:09:19
  That's why he writes another letter.
• 2:09:20
  They didn't listen to him the first time.
• 2:09:23
  In other words, like in First Corinthians 5, which we
• 2:09:25
  mentioned before, they said get this guy out of your church, you
• 2:09:28
  know, don't accept this kind of sin within your community.
• 2:09:32
  But he never said that that guy's not saved.
• 2:09:35
  He never said in his rebukes here that you guys have lost
• 2:09:38
  your salvation. You want to keep your salvation.
• 2:09:41
  What he's reminding them, and we can see this in context because
• 2:09:45
  I'm reading the chapters before we got Second Corinthians 5 for
• 2:09:49
  sure, but Second Corinthians 3 we'll see him say and remember
• 2:09:53
  these aren't delineated by this is all the same letter earlier
• 2:09:57
  in the letter, not very far before he says that we have this
• 2:10:00
  confidence through Christ before God.
• 2:10:03
  Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for
• 2:10:07
  ourselves, but our competence comes from God.
• 2:10:10
  He has made us confident, competent as ministers of a new
• 2:10:15
  covenant, not of the letter that is not of the law, but of the
• 2:10:18
  Spirit, For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
• 2:10:22
  But what he wants to warn them is don't take that for granted.
• 2:10:27
  He's wanting to remind. Them to live and lead lives that
• 2:10:31
  are worthy of the calling that we have been given by Christ.
• 2:10:35
  But he's not telling them that they're not saved.
• 2:10:39
  He's he. Is saying.
• 2:10:41
  How embarrassed basically is the way that I reason this how
• 2:10:44
  embarrassed are you going to be when you're at the Bema seat of
• 2:10:48
  Christ and in your all of that your life sins are going to be
• 2:10:52
  presented and you're going to look no different than the guy
• 2:10:57
  who doesn't know Jesus and that you continued in the filth so
• 2:11:04
  without. Any.
• 2:11:05
  Conviction, you know, as we talked about without any guilt,
• 2:11:07
  without any why, you know, why would you want to do that?
• 2:11:12
  And yet I understand where you're coming from.
• 2:11:14
  But Paul never says and and I, you can correct me, but I he
• 2:11:17
  doesn't say here, unless you get yourself better, unless you iron
• 2:11:24
  out every wrinkle and clean out every spot and blemish, God's
• 2:11:29
  going to say, look, you know, I never knew you.
• 2:11:31
  He doesn't say that, he says. Why?
• 2:11:36
  Why wouldn't? You want to be better.
• 2:11:40
  But all the. While he's saying, and I see
• 2:11:42
  this, this is Second Corinthians 5, two, since then we know this
• 2:11:47
  is just right after the line, right after 10.
• 2:11:50
  Since then we know what it is to fear the Lord.
• 2:11:53
  We try to persuade others. In essence, what kind of witness
• 2:11:57
  are you for me to bring to so that I can use you to be to
• 2:12:03
  bring more people to me? You're a horrible witness if you
• 2:12:07
  look no different than they do what we.
• 2:12:11
  Are. Continues Paul is plain to God,
• 2:12:13
  and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.
• 2:12:16
  We're not trying to commend ourselves to you.
• 2:12:18
  We're not saying we're better, but are giving you an
• 2:12:20
  opportunity to take pride in us so that you can answer those who
• 2:12:23
  take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the
• 2:12:28
  heart. All of this.
• 2:12:30
  Stuff. Is not a condemnation of you
• 2:12:33
  better behave yourself or you're going to lose your salvation.
• 2:12:37
  It's you better behave yourself because Christ is worthy.
• 2:12:42
  Well, I I agree with. A lot of the points and I feel
• 2:12:46
  like you're on to something, but there's these the passages with
• 2:12:50
  Jesus Christ were as you pointed out where they say look what
• 2:12:53
  I've done, look at this and all that and then he's able to see
• 2:12:56
  into their hearts. Let's take for example, if you
• 2:12:59
  and I, we we were trying to find a good church together or
• 2:13:03
  something, you and I were hanging out and go have lunch or
• 2:13:07
  whatever, and then we walked in the churches.
• 2:13:09
  Now, anybody can tell us they believe, but the only way we're
• 2:13:14
  truly going to be able to discern if they are who they say
• 2:13:18
  they are is by what their actions and how they do things.
• 2:13:22
  We have to look at their peer into the fruit of what's
• 2:13:25
  happening in front of us. And if it's not showing, then
• 2:13:28
  what does Jesus say? They're weeds.
• 2:13:30
  They're going to be burned well. Without him for sure, but.
• 2:13:37
  He who began a good. Work in US, he promised to
• 2:13:39
  finish it and I would say if if people aren't getting finished,
• 2:13:44
  it could be that they never knew him at all.
• 2:13:47
  That's what I would say. And that's how I reconcile,
• 2:13:49
  because I am once saved, always saved, that that it is possible
• 2:13:53
  that someone has professed something for.
• 2:13:59
  A. Reason that is outside of their
• 2:14:01
  recognition of the real need for a savior, because they're
• 2:14:05
  they're wretches. I think that there are many
• 2:14:08
  people out there who don't think they're wretches that that Jesus
• 2:14:11
  though, gives them something that they aspire for.
• 2:14:18
  Many people who maybe suffer from a chronic case of
• 2:14:23
  narcissism who think they really don't need God, but they'll
• 2:14:27
  they'll hedge their bets and and bring him in as like a their
• 2:14:31
  little guarantee at but use that to still believe that on their
• 2:14:36
  own merit and their own works, they're they're great.
• 2:14:40
  The the end of. 2nd Corinthians 5 says you do agree though, Rob.
• 2:14:48
  That if you and I were trying to find good, good talking and
• 2:14:54
  walking Christians, we'd have to base it upon what we see their
• 2:14:58
  actions doing. They if they truly believe in
• 2:15:01
  God and they're saved, then their actions would show.
• 2:15:04
  I think. Yes, yes.
• 2:15:07
  But, but again, we've alluded to this before.
• 2:15:09
  So if we're consistent, because you, you also believe as I do,
• 2:15:13
  that we are not in a position to determine whether or not they're
• 2:15:17
  saved or not. We are in the right position to
• 2:15:19
  determine or not whether or not they would be helpful for our
• 2:15:22
  own walk, whether they'd be helpful for our families,
• 2:15:25
  whether I would want my kid to be exposed to a certain person.
• 2:15:28
  Let's just say you know, a certain person.
• 2:15:30
  I've already mentioned I wouldn't even have him babysit
• 2:15:32
  my child, let alone teach him any Bible.
• 2:15:35
  So I can make determinations as to what I will do with somebody
• 2:15:42
  or as to whether I will fellowship with someone, but far
• 2:15:45
  be it for me to make the determination as to whether that
• 2:15:49
  person is indeed saved or not. It's not for me to know that.
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  Again, as you said, God knows the heart.
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  Yeah. And I and I don't know the
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  heart. So I do agree with you that it's
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  not my determination. I'm not going to push God out of
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  His throne to make the decision on that.
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  But I do, I do think that we have to have some form of
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  discernment or we're going to be LED astray.
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  Sure, no doubt. And so we need, we do.
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  That's why God gave us, you know, in Galatians 5, we've got
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  the list of the people that we want to teach us, the people
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  that we want to hang around to make us better, the brothers and
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  sisters. And it's the reverse of
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  oftentimes what we see on here. But Jesus gives like I think
• 2:16:38
  about John 10, John 10 is. So huge for.
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  The Christian and and needs to be filtered through all these
• 2:16:47
  verses you're saying and I would like to look at Romans 2 next if
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  we can from those verses you looked at.
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  But sure Jesus, Jesus says as it relates to his life in John 10.
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  No one takes his life from him. He lays it down by his own
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  accord. He says, and I I love this.
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  It goes further into John 1025. They start accusing him and and.
• 2:17:18
  Saying how long you're going to. Keep us in suspense.
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  If you're the Messiah, tell us plainly.
• 2:17:23
  And he says, I did tell you. He's admitting that he is, but
• 2:17:26
  you do not believe the works. I do in.
• 2:17:30
  My father's name testify about me, but you do not believe he's
• 2:17:35
  talking about belief. These people are are hindered by
• 2:17:38
  the sin of unbelief. My sheep listen to my voice.
• 2:17:42
  I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and
• 2:17:46
  they shall never perish. No one will snatch them out of
• 2:17:51
  my hand. And when?
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  We see. That, and we read earlier, I
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  think it is that they that I am the door, he says.
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  And when they come in, yeah, I am the gate.
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  Whoever enters through me will be saved.
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  It's not whoever enters through me will be saved.
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  So long as there's no modification to that.
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  It's enter through me and be saved.
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  And Paul's instructions to the people who are already saved is
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  live your lives worthy of the calling.
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  I think of Colossians 3 since then.
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  And this is good advice for you and for me and everyone on
• 2:18:32
  YouTube since then, you, Brett, me, Ryan, Smokey, Bill, whoever,
• 2:18:39
  Bruce, since then you've been raised with Christ.
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  Set your hearts and minds on things above, not on earthly
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  things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of the
• 2:18:50
  Father. For you, Brett, for me, for all
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  who believe in Christ have died and our life is now hidden with
• 2:18:57
  Christ and God. That is quite a promise and it's
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  not conditional. And I, and I think if you're
• 2:19:06
  wise to want to live life worthy of the calling of Christ and his
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  sacrifice for us, which we take so for granted all the time, He
• 2:19:18
  is indeed worthy of our obedience.
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  But I don't want you, Brett, or your family, or for you to be
• 2:19:24
  worried that if you believe and if you're worried and if you are
• 2:19:29
  monitoring yourself and correcting yourself constantly,
• 2:19:32
  that is a great posture to be in.
• 2:19:34
  But please don't lose your assurity, your your blessed
• 2:19:41
  assurance. I think of the hymn that we have
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  in Christ as after we've gone through him, the gate.
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  I hear you. And you, but you had said
• 2:19:54
  earlier something that was really interesting.
• 2:19:56
  You said that one of your biggest concerns when you're
• 2:20:00
  exposing evil is you don't want people to be influenced.
• 2:20:05
  So doesn't it kind of, I don't know, it just it sounds strange
• 2:20:10
  where it's one thing is once we're in the hands of God, we
• 2:20:15
  can't be pulled away. But you're you actually, on the
• 2:20:17
  other hand, believe that some people can be influenced into
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  it. We all are influenced.
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  'Cause we, we all fail at this point, you know, I, I've
• 2:20:25
  revealed some of my failures there.
• 2:20:28
  It's not the failure. My worry is not that someone's
• 2:20:31
  going to lose their salvation. My worry is that in this life,
• 2:20:36
  they're. In it's the same.
• 2:20:37
  Worry that Paul had that they're going to be bad witnesses, that
• 2:20:40
  they're going to be led to do things that are displeasing to
• 2:20:44
  God, that they're. Going to be.
• 2:20:48
  An embarrassment for the Christian community, Those.
• 2:20:52
  Kind of things. And that there might be young
• 2:20:55
  people who. Are not truly.
• 2:20:59
  Saved young people who like are attracted to the power they can
• 2:21:05
  get by proclaiming themselves as Christian, you understand, And
• 2:21:09
  they get influenced by the evil, whether it's using filthy
• 2:21:12
  language, using whatever you know, condemnation being the
• 2:21:16
  name of the game, all of those things that can take a person
• 2:21:20
  who is truly not saved but close.
• 2:21:24
  And put them farther. Away.
• 2:21:26
  I'm worried about those people and want to expose the evil for
• 2:21:30
  them, but for the brother and sister, the one who truly
• 2:21:32
  believes in their heart. I believe that they're eternally
• 2:21:34
  secure, but that they can be. An embarrassment to the.
• 2:21:41
  Community that they can be used by Satan to push people who
• 2:21:46
  don't truly know Jesus in their hearts farther away from from
• 2:21:51
  him you. Know there was a.
• 2:21:54
  Christian a while back, one of the last discussions I had as a
• 2:21:58
  former atheist that said something really phenomenal to
• 2:22:02
  me. It really clicked and had me
• 2:22:04
  thinking for a long, long time. The Christian asked me, do you
• 2:22:09
  believe in evil? And I go, yes, I, I do believe
• 2:22:13
  there's evil in the world over in abundance of it.
• 2:22:17
  That's one of the reasons I why I question God is what I said.
• 2:22:21
  And he goes, well, do you believe that evil is objective
• 2:22:24
  or is it just based upon your opinion?
• 2:22:27
  And I said, no, I, I think that evil actually actually does
• 2:22:31
  exist, whether people perceive it or not or or know what it is.
• 2:22:36
  And he goes, well, if that's the case, you've been a rational,
• 2:22:39
  logical guy, Mr. King. Then shouldn't there also be the
• 2:22:43
  opposite? There should be objective good.
• 2:22:46
  It was interesting because he turned evil into an argument on
• 2:22:51
  why there should be objective good as well.
• 2:22:54
  And boy, that kept me up night. Yeah.
• 2:22:57
  Yeah. That's that's great.
• 2:22:58
  There's a great book that I'd recommend, but it's hard to
• 2:23:00
  read. It's tough because the guy's
• 2:23:02
  really, really brilliant. Alvin Plantiga, The Problem of
• 2:23:05
  Evil. And he he lays out a
• 2:23:07
  philosophical defense of the problem and why it exists.
• 2:23:13
  And it it the sum and substance of it, or at least the thing
• 2:23:16
  that resonates with me, that stays with me because it's way
• 2:23:18
  above my pay grade in terms of, you know, brightness and
• 2:23:22
  intelligence. Is is the concept of Planticus
• 2:23:26
  concept he presents? Could God design a world?
• 2:23:34
  Where he gives. People, the gift of free will
• 2:23:37
  and the the world. There is no evil that exists in
• 2:23:41
  the world, and the logical, reasonable answer to that is no.
• 2:23:46
  It, it's impossible. It's like a square circle.
• 2:23:49
  It's it's impossible for God to design a world where his.
• 2:23:54
  Creation has. Free will to do that which is
• 2:23:57
  opposite of Him. God is all good, the standard.
• 2:24:01
  Of good is God. Himself.
• 2:24:04
  And when we have a choice. To do something outside of that
• 2:24:07
  standard, God has. Allowed that to.
• 2:24:10
  Happen because in any real true relationship there has.
• 2:24:15
  To be sort of a. Reciprocal.
• 2:24:17
  Not sort of, but an actual reciprocal choice of I choose
• 2:24:21
  you and you choose me. That's.
• 2:24:25
  That is a loving God and that's why I love our God, that he
• 2:24:30
  doesn't force himself upon us and He's created a world for us
• 2:24:36
  where we have the choice. Evil comes not from God.
• 2:24:42
  I know that some. Scripture that some people
• 2:24:44
  interpret the Scripture and I think I think you do as well.
• 2:24:47
  There's a line in the scripture that says God creates calamity
• 2:24:50
  or God creates evil. I I used to hold.
• 2:24:54
  The position of maltheism and you don't anymore 'cause I.
• 2:24:57
  Thought you were a maltheist. No, I, I sat down.
• 2:25:00
  With some Christians who were willing to actually discuss it
• 2:25:04
  with me and they hammered out some lots of.
• 2:25:07
  But there. There.
• 2:25:08
  There. Wasn't, you know, why it lasted
• 2:25:10
  so long as the moment I came out with it and asked for people to
• 2:25:14
  refute me, I had people. They just got mad.
• 2:25:17
  And they just. Saying all right, let's.
• 2:25:19
  Talk. Well, I I'm talking.
• 2:25:20
  To you right now and I believe that you are a Malpheus so I, I
• 2:25:23
  give you the respect for that but I I want it I'm glad that
• 2:25:26
  you're not there It it's you know it's the.
• 2:25:30
  Same way light. Goes darkness.
• 2:25:32
  Is it it? There is no such thing as
• 2:25:34
  darkness in and. Of itself.
• 2:25:37
  It's just nothing, right? The only thing that delineates
• 2:25:41
  and creates the label darkness is the existence of light.
• 2:25:45
  If there's no light, there cannot be darkness.
• 2:25:48
  It's just the de facto. It is what it is.
• 2:25:50
  It's just existence, which just happens to be the absence of
• 2:25:54
  light. Light is God is light.
• 2:25:56
  You know, the, the, the, the word.
• 2:25:58
  So when God says let there be light and there was suddenly
• 2:26:03
  there was darkness. So God indirectly, if you know
• 2:26:07
  to be fair to the mouthiest or the God indirectly by creating
• 2:26:12
  light, creates in quotes darkness, but it's really the
• 2:26:18
  only the the creation of light that delineates and provides a
• 2:26:22
  label so we can understand what darkness is and that the same
• 2:26:26
  thing is with good and evil God. Is all good.
• 2:26:30
  His mere presence, He does everything good and just and
• 2:26:33
  right, but by His creation of something out of his own love,
• 2:26:40
  allowing them to do something outside of His goodness.
• 2:26:44
  Suddenly, like light, with the presence of His perfect de facto
• 2:26:49
  goodness, suddenly there is a label.
• 2:26:52
  We now know what evil is, and God in quotes creates evil
• 2:26:59
  simply by His very existence and allowing His creation to have
• 2:27:04
  the capability to do the opposite of good.
• 2:27:10
  It's not God that does the. Evil it is US people.
• 2:27:14
  Starve because. Of people's greed people lose
• 2:27:18
  their lives because of you know if if they're harmed or murdered
• 2:27:24
  or injured by someone causing harm to them and because of the
• 2:27:29
  way that God designed all. Creatures and all.
• 2:27:33
  Things There's also these competing interests.
• 2:27:38
  The the things that cause. Cancer and all of those things,
• 2:27:41
  those horrible things. I would say they're they're just
• 2:27:47
  creatures. They're all part of and those
• 2:27:49
  creatures are malevolent, or rather they probably don't have
• 2:27:54
  any bacteria, doesn't have any mental capacity, but other than
• 2:27:58
  self preservation, a selfish desire for self preservation, or
• 2:28:02
  the cancer cell has a selfish desire to continue to replicate
• 2:28:06
  itself to the harm of the host. All of those things just simply
• 2:28:11
  come out of God's decision to create a world where we.
• 2:28:16
  Grow. Where we have experiences.
• 2:28:19
  And that goes to the point again of pain and evil.
• 2:28:25
  How? How do we know?
• 2:28:26
  That which is good and virtuous. If we don't know that which is
• 2:28:32
  not good and not virtuous, we are attracted in our.
• 2:28:38
  Stories and in. Our fiction We're attracted to
• 2:28:42
  heroes and we're attracted to the courageous.
• 2:28:46
  But what makes a hero and what makes someone courageous depends
• 2:28:51
  on there being a need to be brave and to take a chance and
• 2:28:57
  to risk. In other words, without evil, we
• 2:29:00
  don't have those great virtues. We don't know what they mean.
• 2:29:04
  That's a part of the. Growing.
• 2:29:05
  Process here and when it. Comes to.
• 2:29:08
  You know, calamity and hurricanes and tornadoes and
• 2:29:12
  earthquakes and things. Again, it's just a part of the
• 2:29:14
  system. The system.
• 2:29:16
  Earthquakes happen because things shift, and this all
• 2:29:21
  exists in a certain way. Because it just had.
• 2:29:26
  To that's the way that it was made.
• 2:29:28
  And we make choices, for instance, to, you know, buy our
• 2:29:32
  houses in fire zones and, you know, I think about Los Angeles
• 2:29:36
  or buy nice houses on near the oceans where we could or rivers
• 2:29:41
  like in Texas where we could get flooded and people die.
• 2:29:45
  When we make these conscious decisions to do things like
• 2:29:47
  that, it's. It's not something that.
• 2:29:50
  I can answer one, but that's how I reconcile it.
• 2:29:53
  And I'm glad that you because I I, I don't like when people
• 2:29:56
  think that God is has any part of evil himself because it, it
• 2:30:01
  just, that makes no sense to me. That's contrary to my
• 2:30:05
  understanding of his nature. Well, one of the.
• 2:30:10
  Reasons why I got into that a while back and I am out of it.
• 2:30:15
  I have many different explanations that are satisfying
• 2:30:19
  for me and why I was able to get out of the position, but I know
• 2:30:22
  why it it caused me into it. And the reason why is the
• 2:30:28
  understanding, the knowledge that God has creating the devil,
• 2:30:32
  knowing, having the foreknowledge of what the devil
• 2:30:35
  was capable of doing, knowing that Adam and Eve was going to
• 2:30:38
  do what they were doing. It wasn't so much saying that
• 2:30:42
  God himself is evil, but I believe that there was at some
• 2:30:46
  point evil needed to exist alongside the light.
• 2:30:50
  Just as you had said. In order for free will to be
• 2:30:53
  optimal, you had to have the worst, and you had to have the
• 2:30:56
  light in order for you to be able to have a contrast of the
• 2:31:00
  two. It wasn't that I was saying he
• 2:31:02
  was evil, just capable of destruction it.
• 2:31:06
  It's not. That evil has to exist along
• 2:31:11
  with free will. I don't think it's that.
• 2:31:13
  I think that it's evil is the natural byproduct of the
• 2:31:18
  existence of free will. That that's how I it.
• 2:31:22
  Makes more sense to me. Not that you know, because,
• 2:31:25
  again, Satan is Satan because he had a choice.
• 2:31:31
  Unfortunately, that. Was what I fell into because I
• 2:31:34
  fell into what is called the problem of evil so well.
• 2:31:39
  Yeah, if you. If you want some.
• 2:31:40
  Tough reading. It's, it's small, it's short and
• 2:31:43
  I, I would, I think it might be in my bookshelf over there.
• 2:31:48
  It's not here, but it look up Alvin Plantinga and it's a
• 2:31:52
  problem of evil. So it's but it it it will
• 2:31:54
  require you not to have anything in the background or any
• 2:31:58
  distractions or anything like that you know before.
• 2:32:01
  I even announced back then that I was going towards that
• 2:32:05
  position or felt as though I was lured in that direction.
• 2:32:09
  You know, I tried to get a hold of people behind the scenes
• 2:32:13
  before I made it public. I tried talking to people and
• 2:32:16
  seeing if this was the correct way and it just, I, I kept on
• 2:32:21
  running into nonsense or people just saying they didn't have
• 2:32:24
  time and you didn't talk to me. I I've.
• 2:32:27
  Got time I I love this stuff. I eat and breathe it and so if
• 2:32:32
  you if you ever use the pattern Rob where if someone.
• 2:32:35
  Talks about their views especially publicly online
• 2:32:39
  instead of people just having a fellowship together and talking
• 2:32:42
  things out like what we're doing right now people just
• 2:32:46
  immediately use that as a way to be able to burn somebody well
• 2:32:50
  you'll you'll see there's. Probably something that I've
• 2:32:52
  said now if you edit it or whatever that it will be used
• 2:32:55
  against me already, anything that I do like this.
• 2:32:58
  So you'll see. It'll happen.
• 2:33:00
  Oh, I know. I.
• 2:33:01
  I fart wrong and stuff, it's going to be made, yeah.
• 2:33:04
  So it's just a natural. Thing for me to volunteer to to
• 2:33:07
  do something like that. I want to talk with you because
• 2:33:09
  I'm glad you're back. I enjoy your your content when I
• 2:33:13
  do have time to watch it. And I would just want to
• 2:33:16
  encourage you to, you know, stay away from the 11 if you can
• 2:33:19
  identify it. As you said, there's certain
• 2:33:21
  things that you that we should be able to identify at the very
• 2:33:24
  least to know that doesn't feel right.
• 2:33:27
  That doesn't look right. It's not worth subscribers if I
• 2:33:31
  fellowship or hang out with a certain type of person with a
• 2:33:35
  certain type of unrepentant attitude.
• 2:33:38
  Who would call, let's say, a victim of a crime that he pled
• 2:33:42
  guilty to that bitch? You know it's.
• 2:33:46
  These are things that these are people in any not even in a
• 2:33:51
  Christian community before I became a Christian that I
• 2:33:54
  wouldn't want to have anything to do with.
• 2:33:56
  And if I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them from a
• 2:33:59
  secular world because they were so evil according to that hard
• 2:34:04
  wiring instinct that I that I know, why would I want to do
• 2:34:09
  that in in in a Christian circle?
• 2:34:12
  And that's Paul's point consistently in all the letters
• 2:34:16
  that we've identified today. It's not saying people you need
• 2:34:19
  to be scared for your salvation. It's that Christ is worthy of
• 2:34:24
  our best behavior, so do better. I I get why?
• 2:34:30
  Some groups of people, especially certain names have
• 2:34:33
  been mentioned are a bit salty and why there's issues, but
• 2:34:38
  there is one person that I don't understand why people get
• 2:34:41
  irritated with and I've talked to them for a long time.
• 2:34:44
  I'm not trying to justify anything but that goal.
• 2:34:48
  I don't understand why people get rough on him for I I love
• 2:34:53
  veckel I think. He's great.
• 2:34:56
  I've had. Some issues with.
• 2:34:57
  Veckel and my biggest I think the thing with Veckel.
• 2:35:02
  And you know I. Don't know, I can't speak for
• 2:35:04
  other people, but he he and it's just positive too as he gives
• 2:35:09
  everyone a fair shake. That being said, there's
• 2:35:15
  something to be said about what you said.
• 2:35:18
  Related like where where I think.
• 2:35:21
  Beckel can get. Himself into trouble and get if
• 2:35:23
  he's one of the guys I'm thinking of, you know that I
• 2:35:25
  talked about who I want to protect because I think giving a
• 2:35:33
  fair shake is good. Giving a fair shake at the
• 2:35:36
  expense of the fruits of the spirit and the desires of God
• 2:35:41
  for us is another story. And the worst part about it is
• 2:35:47
  when the theologies, particularly being taught by
• 2:35:52
  where I think the evil exists, when the theologies also are so
• 2:35:56
  hypocritical that their works based and their works are
• 2:36:00
  horrible and they lead people to other bad works.
• 2:36:03
  As you can see, whether it's gossip and slander and pointing
• 2:36:07
  fingers and judgement and all these things, they're doing it
• 2:36:11
  and at the other side of their mouth they're saying those who
• 2:36:14
  do those things aren't going to stay saved.
• 2:36:18
  It's a. Cornucopia of hypocrisy that can
• 2:36:25
  lead a proper Christian brother into weakening his witness and
• 2:36:33
  weakening his walk is the best that I would say there.
• 2:36:38
  But I, I think my personal feelings about Beckel is like, I
• 2:36:42
  think he's, he's great. He hangs around people that I'm,
• 2:36:45
  I'm not fond of at all, though. He's got a, he's got a lot.
• 2:36:49
  Of views that the reason why I find it strange is because
• 2:36:54
  there's a lot of things about him that are a lot like the way
• 2:36:58
  you view things where he has told me he doesn't want people
• 2:37:02
  getting influenced by negativity he doesn't he feels that he
• 2:37:06
  needs to go in and expose evil and correct people and all that
• 2:37:10
  he's got the same mindset but for some reason he takes heat
• 2:37:15
  for making the attempt no it's the same heat that I.
• 2:37:18
  Get, you know, it's like you were saying, you know why Ryan
• 2:37:21
  was doing the thing and the heat that I get for for doing that.
• 2:37:24
  Because often times when Veckel gets involved, you know, I don't
• 2:37:29
  want to gossip about him too much, but I would just say this
• 2:37:31
  is just a small talk about a brother.
• 2:37:35
  When Veckel gets involved and he gets heated, it's usually when
• 2:37:38
  he's been attacked. Like Veckel, I don't.
• 2:37:43
  Think has gone out of his way to do a video about something that
• 2:37:47
  I've said or something I did, and maybe he will now, I don't
• 2:37:50
  know, but I don't think so. I think I'm being fair to him
• 2:37:54
  because I've never in a public chat chastised him like too
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  egregiously, I don't think. And if I did, I would apologize.
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  But I, I do think that he's in circles right now that are not
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  healthy for him, but I am, we can agree to disagree with that.
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  And me and Freckle and, and I don't go to his chats now
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  because of that. So if, if he was going to have
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  an influence on me in any way, for instance, if I'm wrong about
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  something, his witness has been greatly tarnished because I, I
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  don't, I'm not going to hang there.
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  He's. Hanging with evil.
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  Beckel and I were. And probably yourself as well.
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  We're kind of in a dilemma here because it it seems like no
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  matter where I go in social media, no matter what rooms, no
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  matter what group, even if I don't agree with a lot of the
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  people I'm in a room with, it's like I immediately get the
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  guilty by association thing. Oh yeah.
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  How are you supposed to reach out to people?
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  How are you supposed to get through to somebody if you don't
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  jump into the the pool? You know what I mean?
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  And that's why I can't in the. End I'm not going to I don't
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  condemn. I I hope I didn't veckle for who
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  he hangs out with. It's just I'm I'm not going to
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  hang out in those circles with those people in there.
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  And why I'm not going to condemn him for that, though, is and
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  goes to the point of what you're saying that God's model, Jesus's
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  model for us is, you know, the dust your feet model.
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  If someone who I don't like who? I think needs some.
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  Spiritual help is a person of peace to veckle.
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  Then I trust that. God will use Veckle to influence
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  them for good. That's my hope.
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  The. Problem is you know.
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  When I've what I've seen come out of it, I just.
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  I I. See those people?
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  Affecting Beckel in a way that he's participating in the
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  dissension and faction more than as someone, you know what I'm
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  saying. So but back to to the person of
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  peace thing. That's how I felt with Bill.
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  Bill, Bill and I were at odds then we were friendly and then
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  we were at odds again. Bill, Bill and I have been back
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  and forth, back and forth and it I think it's been since.
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  Why does? It happen for.
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  You seemed pretty laid back until why?
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  Why does it go back and forth? Oh well, it did because.
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  Of it was because of people that he would hang out with and so I,
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  I try it goes back that's why I brought him up about the person
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  of peace. So he was a person of peace with
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  someone who I won't bring up, but people know who I one of the
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  people that I was exposing, you know, like 2010, 1112, whatever,
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  and even beyond that. And he was friendly with that
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  person and I kept rationalizing to go, you know?
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  If that person's a. Person of peace for him, Maybe
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  Bill. Will be able to.
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  Share stuff with him that will bring him closer to God.
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  And that actually has been occurred as far as I'm
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  concerned. And that particular individual,
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  I'm actually mostly a person of peace with that person right now
• 2:41:24
  too, which is good. So that one worked out OK.
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  It's just we would if I would upset the person that he was a
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  person at peace with or the the person that he was a person at
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  peace with upset me, then we had we were put into factions and
• 2:41:42
  dissensions. It's the way of the world,
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  right? It's when we start relying on
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  the flesh and stuff and Christian.
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  And that's the perfect, I think clothes for us.
• 2:41:51
  It's the reminder. YouTube is a great reflection
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  for us, especially for people that are worried about their
• 2:41:57
  works and they think that their salvation's dependent on it.
• 2:42:00
  We we fail so often hear publicly and that it should be
• 2:42:06
  very clear to us that there's there's none righteous.
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  No, not one, no matter how hard we try.
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  But thanks be to Jesus, who is the gate, who paves a way for us
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  the narrow way him. Being the way the.
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  Truth and the life He's given us a Rd. to eternal life with Him
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  and the Father and the Spirit. So on that note, I think.
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  That's a good way for us to close Brett and I.
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  I wish you God's blessings and I thank you for the opportunity.
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  To talk, well, every Friday. At 7:00 PM Central, I'm going to
• 2:42:41
  try to run a show and I'll try to make sure that, you know,
• 2:42:45
  people don't pile up on each other.
• 2:42:47
  I always try to keep things right, but I got to be honest,
• 2:42:51
  the whole referee of the WWE, as much as I enjoy the show, I
• 2:42:54
  don't want to be in the middle of the match.
• 2:42:56
  Well, that's why people say that I'm.
• 2:42:58
  A censor. But I and I am, I guess.
• 2:43:00
  I block. I block a ton of people.
• 2:43:03
  Oh, I'm blocked. Too.
• 2:43:04
  Because I see something really, really annoying.
• 2:43:07
  Maybe one of these days you could help me on a peacekeeper
• 2:43:11
  scenario with a, a specific person, though, that I do not
• 2:43:15
  want to have an issue with, but for some reason I can't
• 2:43:18
  articulate it in a way where it calms them down.
• 2:43:21
  Yeah, I, I. Just.
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  I know, I think I know what you're talking about and I
• 2:43:26
  sometimes it's better If you can't be a personal piece there,
• 2:43:28
  then don't It's. I love that particular person.
• 2:43:34
  If you if you're talking to the right person about the right
• 2:43:37
  person, I think that we are. There's just hot buttons that
• 2:43:40
  everyone knows if you've been in this community long enough not
• 2:43:44
  to push and people push it. And I would just.
• 2:43:49
  Tell you. You know the line.
• 2:43:53
  In. Scripture is so important that
• 2:43:57
  if at all possible, live in peace with all people.
• 2:44:00
  And, and that key component of that line in Scripture is as far
• 2:44:04
  as it depends on you. Once we know the buttons that we
• 2:44:08
  can push on somebody, let's not do it, you know.
• 2:44:11
  And that being said, I'm, I'm a good creature of that.
• 2:44:14
  I'm not a good doer. Well, that's the problem.
• 2:44:17
  I haven't initiated any kind of issue with this person, but what
• 2:44:22
  happens is I'll be in a room somewhere either over at back
• 2:44:26
  bowls or hanging out with TTR, and he'll just show up and say,
• 2:44:31
  you know, you remember this from 10 years ago.
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  And yeah, well, I would say, well, it's something.
• 2:44:36
  That was rehashed recently, so this doesn't have to.
• 2:44:39
  Are we live right now or are we? Yeah, we're still alive.
• 2:44:42
  Oh, OK, then we we could. Talk about this offline.
• 2:44:44
  I didn't know it was live. All right, well.
• 2:44:47
  If you want like, yeah, I mean. I, I can tell you, I mean, I, I
• 2:44:51
  don't think it's so out of turn to say it, but no, it's better
• 2:44:55
  that we do it offline if we're I can end it and then.
• 2:44:58
  If you stay in the room, I'll yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:45:01
  All right, let me go ahead and play.
• 2:45:02
  The outro for people.