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Gold vs. Bitcoin: Debt Explodes! - Robert Ian #6256 · Financial Survival Network

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Speaker 1: A lot of that is about to hit the fan now,
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Speaker 1: I believe, and I think right now, I think the
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Speaker 1: next four years are going to be monumental in terms
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Speaker 1: of economic change and development. I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: the changes people have been hypothesizing about in the gold market,
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Speaker 1: I think we're going to start to see the gears
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Speaker 1: engage on some of that.
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Speaker 3: And welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial
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Speaker 3: Survival Network. I'm your host, Terry Lutz. Well special guests
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Speaker 3: with us now, somebody who I've put on a number
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Speaker 3: of events with interviewed on the show over and over again.
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Speaker 3: He took a hiatus, but he is back now. Robert
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Speaker 3: Ian is with us. Make sure you go to his site,
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Speaker 3: conquer Change dot com. Later on He's got a special
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Speaker 3: offer for you. And if you've got a question for
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Speaker 3: Robert or myself, just shoot me an email Klatcarrie Lutz
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Speaker 3: dot com. Robert, Hey, our audience, thirteen years of commentaries,
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Speaker 3: you did an analysis for Goldseek Radio.
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Speaker 4: Just to tell us how that happened. Where it's at now?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, if you go back to two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven. I mean, well, first of all, I mean
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Speaker 1: your audience probably knows or maybe remembers. I mean, my
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Speaker 1: background is as a business and motivational speaker. So since
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Speaker 1: my twenties, I've been speaking to major corporations at sales
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Speaker 1: meetings and things like that. My focus has always been
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Speaker 1: on change, change management, conquering change. And I got involved
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Speaker 1: in precious metals back in the early two thousands, and
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Speaker 1: I had connected with Chris Waltzik at gold Seak Radio
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Speaker 1: and back and they'd only been on like about a
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Speaker 1: year and a half at the time, and at that
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Speaker 1: juncture he did a quick interview with me. I thought
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Speaker 1: it was going to be kind of a just a
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Speaker 1: quick puff piece, you know, but just about my watching
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Speaker 1: habits and listening habits. But it turned into more than that.
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Speaker 1: That initial interview was like twenty thirty minutes, and I
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Speaker 1: realized actually how much I knew about the gold market
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Speaker 1: back then. And so he asked me, Hey, would you
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Speaker 1: be willing to do like a weekly installment for us?
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Speaker 1: And I was headed to the New Orleans Investment Conference
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. It was also the year
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Speaker 1: I became president of the National Speakers Association, my trade
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Speaker 1: group and in Wisconsin at the state level. And I
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Speaker 1: had a choice to go to the national conference and
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Speaker 1: get indoctrinated, or I had a choice to go to
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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Investment Conference.
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Speaker 4: Well, I chose the latter, and that was great.
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Speaker 1: And I did commentaries pretty much every Friday for thirteen
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Speaker 1: years on gold Seek on all the topics that we
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Speaker 1: know and speak about.
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Speaker 3: So that went on from I guess two thousand and
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Speaker 3: seven to twenty twenty.
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Speaker 4: And it's definitely thing because.
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Speaker 3: Your commentaries and stuff with Chris Waltzek is what led
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Speaker 3: me to start podcasting in twenty ten and eleven, and
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Speaker 3: so we really did go back even longer than you know. Yes, hey,
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Speaker 3: so in twenty twenty you paused your commentaries. What led
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Speaker 3: you to do that and what's prompted you to re
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Speaker 3: enter the world of internet radio and podcasting and youtubing.
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Speaker 4: Well a number of things.
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Speaker 1: So I like a lot of people, you know, I
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Speaker 1: had to kind of walk the talk and deal with
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Speaker 1: my own change, my own conquering of change.
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Speaker 4: Ruggetting too personal.
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Speaker 1: My wife of twenty seven years passed away in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty two, and leading up to that, she had developed
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Speaker 1: kind of a rare combination of als and lime disease,
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Speaker 1: which is a massive topic in and of itself.
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Speaker 4: So I became her caretaker.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've always kind of worked from home when
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Speaker 1: I'm not on the road and traveling, so she was
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Speaker 1: in nursing her whole year, so she had trained me
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Speaker 1: very well on how to manage her health and everything.
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Speaker 1: So it was really it was a really good time,
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Speaker 1: you know, to focus on that. I never disengaged ever
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Speaker 1: during that period, and ironically I kind of got out
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Speaker 1: and I think it was August twenty twenty was my
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Speaker 1: last commentary, and I was like three four months before
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Speaker 1: all the YouTube censorship was in vote before the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty elections, so I missed some of that. And I
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Speaker 1: have to tell you, I just for you and everybody else,
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Speaker 1: I have massive respect for everyone who stayed the course
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Speaker 1: and have endured these massive censorship attacks on free speech.
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Speaker 1: So so I'm really up to speed on everything. Like
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Speaker 1: I say, never disengaged, and with Trump entering now for
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Speaker 1: his second term and the discussion on really where the
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Speaker 1: economy is going, I mean those changes things we've been
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Speaker 1: literally talking about, Carrie for for years, for a decade,
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Speaker 1: approaching two decades in some topics, A lot of a
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Speaker 1: lot of that is about to hit the fan now,
5:31
Speaker 1: I believe, and I think right now, I think the
5:34
Speaker 1: next four years are going to be monumental in terms
5:37
Speaker 1: of economic change and development. I think a lot of
5:40
Speaker 1: the changes people have been hypothesizing about in the gold market,
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Speaker 1: I think we're going to start to see the gears engage.
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Speaker 4: On some of that. And it's really right.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've i paused my speaking business that I
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Speaker 1: had been doing for twenty five years for you know,
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Speaker 1: during COVID obviously and for personal reasons. But I've I've
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Speaker 1: re engaged at the corporate level now and I'm doing
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Speaker 1: just a whole lot of things. And then we connected
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Speaker 1: literally over Christmas. I was in I was in Florida
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Speaker 1: and West Palm Beach. So we get together and you
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Speaker 1: you had asked me on several occasions back in like
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen, why didn't you also be on
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Speaker 1: my show? And it just we never quite got the
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Speaker 1: timing right on that, but you convinced me at Christmas time,
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Speaker 1: and now it's March and we're starting, which is great.
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Speaker 3: And I you know, I missed your commentaries. I always
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Speaker 3: found them entertaining and enlightening is one. I still remember
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Speaker 3: where you were talking about driving through Wisconsin during Christmas
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Speaker 3: time and things just didn't seem right, and you know,
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Speaker 3: it always felt like something you should be doing. So
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Speaker 3: speaking of which, so what kind of format we're looking
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Speaker 3: at here? What are we going to do together?
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Speaker 1: Well, as you know we kind of talked, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to start out with like a once a week installment
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Speaker 1: for Financial Survival Network. It'll be on a myriad of topics,
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Speaker 1: a lot of them gold related, obviously, geopolitical related, bit
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Speaker 1: cooin related, politically related. I mean, ultimately, the umbrella is
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Speaker 1: the economy, and as you know, we have a real
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Speaker 1: leaning and interest in gold and its potential role moving forward.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to have for you every Friday we'll
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Speaker 1: be doing and we'll do it first this week, probably
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Speaker 1: about My commentaries usually range anywhere from seven to ten
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Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes long. They're really quick listens and off
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Speaker 1: there just a synopsis of really some of the key
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Speaker 1: drivers that are going on in the economy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I listen to a lot of your shows. I listened
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Speaker 1: to a lot of your key guests. I listen to
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Speaker 1: other broadcasts. I mean, I stay engaged with a huge
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Speaker 1: number of people personally within the gold and silver market
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Speaker 1: that has never stopped. And so so I'm pretty good
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Speaker 1: at synthesizing, pretty fair speaker, and so I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: we'll give a lot of good discussion points and a
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Speaker 1: quick synopsis of of.
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Speaker 4: Of where we're at.
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Speaker 1: And like you always say, it's always about what's.
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Speaker 4: Next, which is your mantra, And I think.
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Speaker 1: The dovetailing of those styles I think is going to
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Speaker 1: be very successful here on FSN.
8:25
Speaker 3: Actually we've updated that. It's on my latest business cards.
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Speaker 3: You haven't seen it. It's our tagline is now is
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Speaker 3: now more than ever?
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Speaker 4: Financially now more than ever? Okay, perfect.
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Speaker 3: So I guess you're going to be having a special
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Speaker 3: projects in the coming months and years, and we'll probably
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Speaker 3: have your your first commentary out I hope this week,
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Speaker 3: but if not next, And this is going to be
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Speaker 3: a long, fruitful relationship in it with you for another
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Speaker 3: four years. I think by then I'll probably be at retirement,
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Speaker 3: and you know I'll be it the happy acres uh oh,
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Speaker 3: along with our fight.
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Speaker 4: You're like me, You're not. You got to stay engage.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely it's about the ideas. You got it. Eh.
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Speaker 3: So, like as far as where you see the country
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Speaker 3: at now, of does it matter that Trump's been elected?
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Speaker 3: Is the patient terminal too late, stage stage four too
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Speaker 3: late to save? Or is there a possibility of turning
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Speaker 3: this turning this sinking ship around.
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Speaker 1: There's always a possibility, and I think I think we're
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Speaker 1: engaging in that now, but not to be blinded to
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Speaker 1: the reality around us. The one thing people always fail
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Speaker 1: to take into account generally is the lag effect coming
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Speaker 1: into this new administration. Our economy suck, and I mean
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Speaker 1: the inflation that occurred because of all the money that
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Speaker 1: was created during COVID and spent into the economy when
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Speaker 1: people couldn't work and main street businesses were closing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's a massive driver in the inflation we've been enduring.
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Speaker 1: There's a number of other things as well. Housing for example,
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Speaker 1: I mean housing is unsustainable and when you look at it.
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Speaker 1: I mean I've never met her or spoken with her.
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Speaker 1: I look forward to doing that at one point, Melody right,
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Speaker 1: I've followed a long time ago, a decade ago. I
10:31
Speaker 1: was looking at all of her work, brilliant lady, and
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Speaker 1: I followed her organically, and I think she is spot on.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we are seeing pullbacks with builders were you know,
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Speaker 1: and everyone just stayed in the game. Oh, they think
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Speaker 1: the price is going to go up. So there's all
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Speaker 1: this inventory ready to jump out and jump onto the market,
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Speaker 1: which you're seeing now. I'm seeing it locally where I
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Speaker 1: live here in Nevada, and it's housing is going to
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Speaker 1: be a big thing. I mean, we're going to maybe
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Speaker 1: see another eight style housing correction. I think that's really
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Speaker 1: in the cards. And this is going to absolutely be
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with anything Trump quote is doing now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff has been baked in the cake.
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Speaker 1: I think we're going to just see a tremendous amount
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Speaker 1: of turbulent change. But the main thing is little or
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Speaker 1: no debt. If you can multiple streams of income and
11:23
Speaker 1: keep your head up and and and be looking out.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a lot of topics that are
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Speaker 1: going to come into play that are really critical. I've
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Speaker 1: noticed I think a really important litmus test mile marker.
11:35
Speaker 1: I guess or is probably a better term to watch.
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Speaker 1: I know Judy Shelton is making the rounds on lots
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Speaker 1: of different programs now, I've I've watched a number of
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Speaker 1: her interviews, and she is very closely affiliated with with
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Speaker 1: with the administration and listening to what she says and
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Speaker 1: and and if we're going to do any extrapolating, I
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Speaker 1: think we should do it be based on that, because
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Speaker 1: she's actually in and potentially going to be in a
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Speaker 1: position here where the thing she's actually talking about in
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Speaker 1: advocating she may be able to implement. And I and
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Speaker 1: he tried to get her more involved in his first administration.
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Speaker 1: He was shot down act that she's here, absolute smart,
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Speaker 1: smart legity William and she's talking about a goldback bond,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is one of the things
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Speaker 1: she's talking about with a long maturity date. I've several
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Speaker 1: different discussions on that, and that can that discussion can
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Speaker 1: factor in with all of the other hypotheses. I mean, yeah, So.
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Speaker 3: I got a question for you, elon Musk Trump. They're
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Speaker 3: talking audit of Fort Knox, Yes, all right, I've done
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Speaker 3: extensive articles on it, interviews, et cetera. A.
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Speaker 4: Is the goal there? B?
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Speaker 3: If it's not there, can they afford to admit that
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Speaker 3: it's not there? Wouldn't that cause a global financial pandemic
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Speaker 3: the likes of which we've never seen? And see if
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Speaker 3: it is there?
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Speaker 4: So what? Correct?
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Speaker 1: I think you're an attorney of recovering attorney, as you
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Speaker 1: call yourself, America's top and in a good deposition. When
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Speaker 1: an attorney questions you, they rarely ask questions they don't
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Speaker 1: already know the answer to you. Yes, And I think
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Speaker 1: that the same logic applies in this advertising. And you
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Speaker 1: notice that Trump is goading everyone. He's saying, Oh, we're
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Speaker 1: gon we're gonna audit. Fort Knox, Musk is talking about it.
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Speaker 1: If you recall, on the day we had the eclipse
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Speaker 1: back in I think twenty seventeen, Nutchin flew down there
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Speaker 1: and claimed to have at least looked at some of it.
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Speaker 1: And he's out there talking and exing and tweeting. Now,
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Speaker 1: so I think that they already know the answer.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think this is going to be used
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Speaker 4: to shift the debate. If the gold.
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Speaker 1: Hasn't been there. My guess is they've They've put a
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Speaker 1: lot of it back. If the gold isn't there, well
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Speaker 1: then there's going to be an avenue to extrapolate and
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Speaker 1: implement whatever goalback policy is needed, and that's going to
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Speaker 1: just make the miners sore. There are multiple outs. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of like when a magician, as you know I am,
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Speaker 1: it does.
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Speaker 4: Act on you.
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Speaker 1: You think you have a free choice, but no matter
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Speaker 1: which of the five choices you had as a successful
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Speaker 1: outcome and conclusion, but you think it's a free choice.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's got a free choice when it comes to all
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Speaker 1: the variations of what's going to happen with fort Knox,
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Speaker 1: Trump knows, Manuchin knows, Shelton probably knows. But I think
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Speaker 1: everyone's going to be really cagey, and I think they're
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Speaker 1: going to use this to unpackage a next level economic agenda.
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Speaker 1: That's I think the bottom line.
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Speaker 3: All right, So I'm going to run something val you
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Speaker 3: and I'm working on this in the midst of an
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Speaker 3: article about it. Bitcoin National bit Coin Reserve. So if
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Speaker 3: you read the government suzzedly has two hundred eleven thousand
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Speaker 3: bitcoins that they confiscated from the.
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Speaker 4: Ulbrich silk Road Yep.
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Speaker 3: That two hundred eleven thousand has been worth up to
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Speaker 3: twenty two or three billion, and right now it's probably
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Speaker 3: sixteen billion. Now, what if the government runs up the
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Speaker 3: price of bitcoin because we're going to have this reserve
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Speaker 3: and we've already seen bitcoin go from like cents on
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Speaker 3: the dollar to one hundred thousand. What if it's ten
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Speaker 3: million or twenty million per bitcoin, and then in our
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Speaker 3: strategic reserve we've got thirty five trillion dollars worth of
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Speaker 3: bitcoin and we just pay off the debt with bitcoin.
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Speaker 1: There could be That could absolutely be a possibility. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to discount anything. It's the what if game?
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Speaker 4: What if this? What if that?
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Speaker 1: No idea killers in this process, So that is definitely
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Speaker 1: a possibility. Keep in mind, bitcoin, I believe all along
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Speaker 1: since its inception, has been like the ultimate GOLDYTF for
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Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. It is siphoned off investment that
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Speaker 1: should have gone definitely. If you recall at our first
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Speaker 1: Liberty Mastermind we did, we had quite a panel. Bitcoin
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Speaker 1: was very young and newbile at that time. I think
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Speaker 1: I was twenty fourteen. We did it in Dallas. We
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Speaker 1: had a panel of six or seven very knowledgeable people
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 4: I think what was it? Twenty one million bitcoins is
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Speaker 4: what was created. That's the max.
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Speaker 1: And if you remember during that panel discussion back then,
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Speaker 1: this was a big topic at the time. Yes, it
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Speaker 1: was like a missing thirty percent, three or four million
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Speaker 1: of the points no one could account for. Well, that's
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Speaker 1: like a pull back. You can manipulate a market with
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Speaker 1: that hidden inventory anytime you want, so I'd be cures.
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 1: I personally don't know the status of that, and smarter
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Speaker 1: people can probably enlighten us on that, or maybe you know,
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Speaker 1: so I think that the whole bitcoin idea is possible.
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Speaker 1: I had floated a concept in one of my gold
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Speaker 1: seat commentaries, probably a decade ago, that if we ever
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Speaker 1: went to a quote gold backing to the dollar, it
17:22
Speaker 1: would ultimately a psychological gold backing. And I won't go
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Speaker 1: into this now, I know what you're saying, non convertible,
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Speaker 1: but creating the impression or the illusion that we actually
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Speaker 1: have a much more solid paper than we really do.
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Speaker 1: And most everything is psychological nowadays anyhow, Yes, and another
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Speaker 1: another idea that I had put forth was eventually having
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Speaker 1: two class you know how there's two classes of stopcarry
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Speaker 1: preferred stock, right, yeah, sure or near stop. So one
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Speaker 1: of the ideas I had floated a long time ago
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Speaker 1: was maybe we'll go to two different currencies for the US,
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Speaker 1: one that might be used domestically at home, maybe that
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Speaker 1: one's gold backed, or and we keep the dollar maybe
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Speaker 1: for international trades and it diminishes in value. So maybe
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Speaker 1: we'll end up with two stocks of the United States,
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Speaker 1: one at home, one abroad.
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Speaker 4: I don't know which.
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Speaker 1: One day back by goal. I think some version of that,
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Speaker 1: and all these other things we're talking about, I think
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Speaker 1: are in the mix. We got really creative people working
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Speaker 1: on this behind the scenes, and I think we're going
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Speaker 1: to get surprised, just like we were the introduction of Doge.
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Speaker 4: All right, well, hey, Robert, appreciate you coming on. It's
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Speaker 4: great act with you.
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Speaker 3: I'll look forward to disseminating your first talk later in
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Speaker 3: the week and ask they tell us where to find you,
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Speaker 3: how to connect with you on the web.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you'll be able to. After you can go
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Speaker 1: to conquer change dot com. That will be my website
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Speaker 1: for this. It's new, so it's going to be fresh.
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Speaker 1: One of the things I'll be doing is over the
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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. I'll be updating that with some
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Speaker 1: that book coming out later this year, so lots of
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Speaker 1: activity and who knows, Carrie. Once we get going, maybe
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Speaker 1: you and I will revisit the Liberty Mastermind. Hey, a
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Speaker 1: lot of good people to get involved now.
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Speaker 3: I'm game and I think a lot more people interested
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Speaker 3: than ever before. And Robert, thanks so much for coming on.
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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure reconnecting with you. I'm looking forward to
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Speaker 3: it lies ahead, and I think that big things are happening,
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Speaker 3: big trends, and we're going to be part of it.
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Speaker 4: We sure are, Thanks Carrie, looking forward to it. Be well. Hey,
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Speaker 4: same here.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got a question a comment for Robert myself.
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Speaker 4: Robert a pleasure, talk soon. Thanks Carrie, Thanks.
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