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Exorcism of Anneliese Michel, Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up? And welcome back to part two of
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  Speaker 1: Analyse Michelle.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim a True.
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  Speaker 1: Cry podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Morning.
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  Speaker 3: The following podcast contains content and material intended for a
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  Speaker 3: mature audience listener discretion.
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Hey, Hey, Hey, welcome back to part two show.
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  Speaker 2: Best Week's everyone. There's two episodes you good bye. I
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  Speaker 2: just ate ale bunch of peanut butter, which is really
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  Speaker 2: like the last thing I should be eating.
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  Speaker 1: Before before podcasting. Let's just have a big old spook
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  Speaker 1: for peanut butter. Why not, I'll wash it down with's
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  Speaker 1: some trench, some trench alcohol, shadow to trench.
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  Speaker 2: We hit up trench today.
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  Speaker 1: I got some thousand peaks, some thousand peach rosemary. It's
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  Speaker 1: all good. This is my favorite beer, literally favorite beer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're obsessed. You got to stalk up. But
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  Speaker 2: you stalk up and then you just drink it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's the problem. It's like I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: store all this away in my belly.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Well, because we just do what you got eight
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  Speaker 2: and you're already drink too. No one's judging. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: pointing it out.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I should not have had like a scoop
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  Speaker 2: of peanut butter before this situation.
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  Speaker 1: But you are right with what you said a moment ago. Though.
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  Speaker 1: It's the best weeks when you get two episodes, although
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  Speaker 1: we're making them wait though, that's you're.
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  Speaker 2: So kind because there are so many podcasts that will
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  Speaker 2: just like do part one on like say, do we
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  Speaker 2: release on Tuesdays and then they'll release part two on
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  Speaker 2: the next Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like we're hella nice.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's very true. We are pretty fucking nice, Like
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  Speaker 1: we're amazing people. We do good things. So yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: not pad on the back. We're not biaus at all,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. No, are you ready for this?
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  Speaker 2: I am.
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  Speaker 1: Actually let's get into it. Let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: This shit's been affecting my life.
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  Speaker 1: I need closure, any closure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, every time a goddamn dor squeaks and closes, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like dumb. You have been on edge, such on edge,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it has to do with this shit,
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, well, especially with Halloween coming up, it's probably only
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  Speaker 1: gonna get worse for you, because I know for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start looking in some more spooky cases
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  Speaker 1: rather than just typical true crime stuff. Yeah, especially in
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  Speaker 1: October when we got some cool shit.
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  Speaker 2: Coming in, super cool shit. But I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like we have a lot on the go. And
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  Speaker 2: then I feel like when it starts getting darker earlier,
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  Speaker 2: that like bring some spookiness too.
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  Speaker 1: It's true that eerie like vibe hits your life.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and then yeah, we've been making me watch
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  Speaker 2: we're not making me. We've been watching scarier movies lately,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm like being affected here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, most definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I think my next case I could pick like a
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  Speaker 2: just like a social psyche. What am I trying to say?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea sociopath, a sociopath something that I
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  Speaker 2: can't relate to.
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  Speaker 1: Something you can't relate to. You got it?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. We'll see, we'll see, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So first of off, first off, thank you to everyone
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  Speaker 1: out there who reached out to us and congratulated us
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  Speaker 1: on our announcements. And second for everyone who's dropping the
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  Speaker 1: bomb on everything to do with the Exorcist, the original
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  Speaker 1: Exorcist movie and how it was written or how it's
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  Speaker 1: done by the book, how it was off of the
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  Speaker 1: written book, which is based off a true story. There
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  Speaker 1: we go. The first person who actually did message us
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  Speaker 1: was Jobey Fawn. I really hope I'm pronouncing your name right. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: you you talked about it and you send us a message.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to say thank you to you
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  Speaker 1: guys out there, and thank you for hitting us up.
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  Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. We've got some like photos of
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  Speaker 1: like some staircases and stuff that was in the movies.
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  Speaker 1: In the movie that was like just right by someone's house.
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  Speaker 2: The visual that we have in our our recording area
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  Speaker 2: is quite the scene.
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  Speaker 3: We're a little bit distracted right now because Ripley is
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  Speaker 3: being because we have like.
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  Speaker 2: A blanket hung up just for echo I guess right,
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  Speaker 2: And there's a cat gone behind the blanket and then
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  Speaker 2: our cat's trying to get are our dogs trying to
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  Speaker 2: get under there? And asses in the air, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll leave that be. Let's get going with
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  Speaker 1: this case. Let's go for part two. You guys, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for waiting. Let's get going on it. Let's dive in.
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  Speaker 1: So Annalise is now gone through all that sort of
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  Speaker 1: hell and she is now going into her exorcisms, that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of where we left off. That's where we're at
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  Speaker 1: right now. So after the first trial version of the
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  Speaker 1: exorcism was performed by Father Alt, which went on for
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  Speaker 1: approximately two hours, Annalise cried a sigh of relief as
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  Speaker 1: she said, quote unquote, I am free and the demons
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  Speaker 1: supposedly left her body.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so she initially thought she was good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was. She was rid of the demons at
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  Speaker 1: that point. Okay, However, it didn't last long because, as
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  Speaker 1: we know, she goes through multiple more extorcisms. So the
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  Speaker 1: next day, subsequently, the demons did return with a vengeance.
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  Speaker 2: Oh she only got a day's break.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, barely even, probably like twelve hours by the sounds
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  Speaker 1: of it. So Annale's behavior began to spiral out of control.
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  Speaker 1: She would frantically rush through the house. She'd keep repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: kneeling and standing rapidly over and over. So she's just
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  Speaker 1: like dropping to her knees and then standing back up,
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  Speaker 1: dropping to her knees. And this is something that she
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  Speaker 1: continues to do over and over throughout the rest of
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  Speaker 1: her exorcisms.
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  Speaker 2: Dang her poor knees.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they would be bruised, they'd swell, and in
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  Speaker 1: the end her knees were I don't know how broken,
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  Speaker 1: but I know she doesn't at least fractures in her knees.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 1: She would sometimes pray repeatedly from dusk till dawn, and
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  Speaker 1: she would repeat herself over and over with things like
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  Speaker 1: my Jesus forgiveness and mercy, forgiveness and mercy et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Just repeat from dusk till dawn. That's fucking scary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I just can't even imagine, just like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, for lack of better words, but like the
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  Speaker 2: vibe that is in the house with that, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I really can't.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think I would just be Oh I think
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  Speaker 2: i'm on eyed cheer. Could you imagine living in that?
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  Speaker 1: No? I can't and I don't want to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah you said that you would just close
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  Speaker 2: the door, Yeah, little.
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  Speaker 1: Timmy, just like nope, Sorry, Tim, You're on your own,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's a medical thing or a spiritual thing, whatever
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  Speaker 1: the cause that's a big old note from me. Yeah, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm piecing out of there. Oh you're good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel really bad for her, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. So screaming was a normal thing for
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  Speaker 1: her and the whole household well, coming from her. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure the parents would scream sometimes of frustration and terror,
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  Speaker 1: but mostly it was coming from Analyse. But it was
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  Speaker 1: a normal thing throughout the house to hear the screams,
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  Speaker 1: except for times when she would tremble and fall to
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  Speaker 1: a complete canatonic canatonic state of rigidity. Annalise saw clouds
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  Speaker 1: of flies and shadowy figures and creatures that eventually her
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  Speaker 1: family claimed to be seeing throughout the house as well.
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  Speaker 2: The family would see them as well.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently the family would see them as well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well that's sure a new layer yeah, huh okay
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  Speaker 2: in trusting.
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  Speaker 1: So the church was contacted and express written permission from
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  Speaker 1: the bishop to perform the exorcisms on September twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. So we're now into the full exorcisms.
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  Speaker 2: So I just feel like she needs like help, like
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  Speaker 2: to be admitted into somewhere that can help her.
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  Speaker 1: But I know, I know, well that's what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do though by these exercises.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because.
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  Speaker 1: They did try medical and they couldn't find anything. The
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  Speaker 1: EEG scans found nothing on her brain, essentially nothing. The
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  Speaker 1: medications weren't helping almost anything except maybe some seizures.
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  Speaker 2: And like, I guess, evehen right now, she's not even
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  Speaker 2: really having those.
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  Speaker 1: She's I mean, she's not She's having seizure activity, but
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  Speaker 1: not like Flun's convulsions. I guess yeah, because like those
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  Speaker 1: canatotic states of rigidity could be perceived as seizures could be.
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  Speaker 1: So it's hard to say now. I always know.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like looking at your face and like
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  Speaker 2: he's lost, right, I need to.
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  Speaker 1: Scroll and like keep like when we talk, and need
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  Speaker 1: to like scroll up to the spot I was in.
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  Speaker 1: So they expressed, okay, there we are the express permission
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  Speaker 1: and did the first exorcism on September Tour twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. Father Wrenz conducted the ritual, and at
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  Speaker 1: first he said that Analyse seemed normal when he arrived,
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  Speaker 1: but in the course of the exorcism, Analyse's behavior quickly changed.
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  Speaker 1: At first, she was calm, but then her begin her
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  Speaker 1: body began to shake violently, and she screamed and thrashed about,
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  Speaker 1: and it took three grown men to hold her down
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  Speaker 1: and prevent her from biting anyone or assaulting anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Holy, I mean three grown men, Like, that's that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot. Like, yes, that's needing a lot of restraint.
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  Speaker 1: But again, because I can understand, I'm trying to play
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  Speaker 1: the neutral point of view here, because I have my
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  Speaker 1: own perspectives and that sort of thing, but I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to just play Devil's advocate and be neutral here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that is a lot of strength and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like super natural esque type strength. However, we
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  Speaker 1: as humans do not access our full potential of strength
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  Speaker 1: when adrenaline kicks in. We see feats of superhuman strength
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  Speaker 1: consistently throughout history and different events, and they say that
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  Speaker 1: in like the Animal Kingdom, that that strength is a
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  Speaker 1: lot more easily tapped into. Yeah, like chimpanzees or something.
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  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, through evolution, we don't tap into our
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  Speaker 1: full potential of strength, probably for harming your own bodies.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe in a state like this, she's able to
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  Speaker 1: tap into that adrenaline and full potential of her strength,
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  Speaker 1: making a lot easier for her to overcome people of
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  Speaker 1: greater size or multiple people.
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  Speaker 2: But she was like a small.
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  Speaker 1: Girl though she was she yes, but also on that
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  Speaker 1: same note, it could be a fucking demon in.
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  Speaker 2: Her well, yeah, because she was a small girl, and
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  Speaker 2: she was also at that point, really I'm probably undernourished
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  Speaker 2: and not overly healthy, right, Yeah, so that's why I'm
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  Speaker 2: like surprised that it would take. But then, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if someone's thrashing about like that is hard to contain
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  Speaker 2: really too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean like even just a kid picture,
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  Speaker 1: like a twelve year old kid just normally thrashing about.
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  Speaker 1: Yea one parent is going to have a difficult time
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  Speaker 1: holding that.
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  Speaker 2: One killing you need to Ye.
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  Speaker 1: It's a hard perspective to really think of. And I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean supernatural strength could be perceived, but you never know,
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard to say for sure. Not counting it
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  Speaker 1: out just playing that devil's.
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  Speaker 2: Advocate, you're playing neutral. It's a good way.
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  Speaker 1: So Father Wrens actually, during the ritual, began sprinkling analase
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  Speaker 1: with holy water, and immediately illicid screams belted from her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: She reacted violently to the holy water. She demanded the
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  Speaker 1: priests stops, but however he pressed on yikes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was her demanding or the demons, you know, Well,
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  Speaker 2: we get into this little bit, am I jumping ahead?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is the demons through her, Okay, through the exorcism.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't have control or anything like that. Demons are
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  Speaker 1: screaming or speaking through her. And in those audio recordings
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  Speaker 1: like we played at the end of last episode, you
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  Speaker 1: can hear that demon ass.
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  Speaker 2: It was wild.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the whole session of the first full extorcism
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  Speaker 1: lasted about five and a half hours.
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  Speaker 2: That's too long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And at the end of it, elucid Analie said
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  Speaker 1: that she that they should have continued, and she felt
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  Speaker 1: that the exorcism was troubling the demons. She wanted to
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  Speaker 1: continue to get rid of them. But the problem is
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  Speaker 1: going on that long. To take a toll on the
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  Speaker 1: demons would also mean taking a toll on her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a long time. The only thing you should
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  Speaker 2: be doing that long. I feel like a's sleeping.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should be sleeping longer than.
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  Speaker 2: Well at least. Yeah, but that's a really long time.
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  Speaker 2: But it's interesting that she's giving that much consent that
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  Speaker 2: afterward it's like, yeah, go longer kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants to get rid of these things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but also just to throw this out there. I'm totally okay.
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  Speaker 1: If people binge our podcasts for longer than five and
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  Speaker 1: a half hours, just okay.
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  Speaker 2: So there's another thing you can do. Yep, and I
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  Speaker 2: think people have. There's some people that have finished all
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  Speaker 2: of them in like two days.
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  Speaker 1: Which is insane. You guys are amazing for that.
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  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: That means a lot. Okay, moving on, Okay, from the ritual,
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  Speaker 1: she had full recollection of everything that happened, but she
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  Speaker 1: was not in control. Now there's one hundred percent another
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  Speaker 1: personality within analse's body which is quite distinct from her
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  Speaker 1: usual self, and this may mean possession by demons, but
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  Speaker 1: it may also mean something else. It's hypothesized that it
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  Speaker 1: could be a multiple personality disorder, oh okay, though many
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  Speaker 1: are doubtful. If there were truly multiple persons in a
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  Speaker 1: single body, one might not know what the others are
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  Speaker 1: thinking or doing, and analyse could recall everything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So you don't know much about that disorder.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I looked it up briefly, and I guess
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  Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder is actually very very much so a
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  Speaker 1: skepticism type thing in the medical field. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are like there must be something else at play,
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  Speaker 1: like bipolar or something. Maybe I don't know, but for
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  Speaker 1: multiple personalities, because people generally know what the other personality
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  Speaker 1: in their body is thinking, and for multiple personalities or
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  Speaker 1: multiple hopes or persons in one body, it doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense that they share the same thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Huh. So interesting. Yeah, it was an interesting I don't
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  Speaker 2: know anything about that really.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a whole other path that goes out
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  Speaker 1: absolutely so.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're kind of skeptical of it, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like I said in the end of last episode,
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  Speaker 1: over the next ten months from nineteen seventy five to
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, Analyse endured a total of sixty seven exorcisms.
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  Speaker 1: She went through one or two each week, lasting up
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  Speaker 1: to four hours long.
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  Speaker 2: That is so much. It's like a part time job,
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  Speaker 2: that is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then probably so. During the ten month span,
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  Speaker 1: they were able to discern six separate demons within Annaly.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: The demons that were insider are Cain, who is the
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  Speaker 1: son of Adam and Eve, known by the title as
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  Speaker 1: Father of Murder. He was the first ever person to
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  Speaker 1: commit murder. Nero, who was a cruel tyrant emperor in
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  Speaker 1: Rome during fifty four, ad Hitler, who's.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's hit Yeah, no explanation.
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  Speaker 1: Fleischmann, which we'll get into him in a minute, Judas,
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  Speaker 1: which not who you think, but we'll get into that
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  Speaker 1: in a minute as well. And Lucifer, who is of
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  Speaker 1: course the devil in himself.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, like.
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  Speaker 1: Cringing here, I am cringing.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like wild, like that they got that much information, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think that she could just be making
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  Speaker 2: the shit up.
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  Speaker 1: In the audio tapes. I mean, it's there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to listen to. There's hours and hours of audio. If
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  Speaker 1: you listen through the audio audio tape, you can actually
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  Speaker 1: hear them having conversations with specific demons, like who are.
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  Speaker 2: You making different kind of voices?
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  Speaker 1: I listened to each individual demon and they do kind
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  Speaker 1: of but not really. It seems like they're still using
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  Speaker 1: her vocal cords.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so which I yeah, which makes sense, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't sound that different, which again plays into
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  Speaker 1: the fact on the arguable arguable fact, was there actually
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  Speaker 1: six demons? Is she actually possessed? Is she just going
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  Speaker 1: through some sort of mental thing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just feel like to get like that
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  Speaker 2: much information and would she even just knowing her background,
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  Speaker 2: her beliefs, would she even know all these people, like,
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  Speaker 2: would they have been in something she would have learned about?
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  Speaker 1: You know, well, most of these demons can actually be
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  Speaker 1: found simply through biblical readings study. Okay, aside from well Hitler,
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  Speaker 1: who was well fucking Hitler. She lives in German or German.
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  Speaker 2: She lives in German, so she would know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. However, there is one that stood out to the priest.
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  Speaker 1: That's Valentine Fleischmann. And now he was a Frankish Catholic
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  Speaker 1: priest who lived in the sixteenth century. Fleischmann's priesthood lasted
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  Speaker 1: from around fifteen seventy two to fifteen seventy five. He
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  Speaker 1: had been excommunicated from the Catholic Church due to his
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: drunken behavior and outlandishness. Fleischmann was accused of assault and murder. Really, yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: at the time Fleischmann was a was a name. There
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: was very little information about the information was very not
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: so available to the public per se. It was someone
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that Analyse rightfully should not have known about or come
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: across in her studies, because she did do studies before.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: We talked about that in the last episodes last episode
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: she was, but still it's not someone she should rightfully
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: know about. Okay, So there's another one that seems a
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: little bit weird. It seems strange that a man's name
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Judas should be given for a demon, yet it's claimed
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that Judas was often given by other possession victims as well,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: not just analyse. It's not that the demon was actually
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Judas of the Gospels, apparently, but instead the name represents
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the role of a demon like a fucking job description. Basically,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: no day, Yeah, a Judas demon attempts to force its
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: victory to imitate the apostle and the betrayal of its lord,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: because in the biblical readings, Judas betrayed Jesus, right, So
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that's what it's paralleling is this demon is trying to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: get you to betray your beliefs and Christ and the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Lord and that sort of thing. Often it would actually
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: prevent its victims from swallowing Holy Communion in order to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: steal the hosts. So basically what this means is a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: demon prevents you from making a connection to God that's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: keeping power over you. Holy communion is a ceremony where
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the bread represents the body of Jesus and the wine
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: his blood that was shed, and in consuming them, it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a way to remember him and receive Christ the nourishment
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and strength and hope and joy from him, which in
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: turn are all powerful weapons against such demons.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: H Okay, this is just like it's like whoa, it's
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: information overloads, it is. But it's just like the fact
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that this, this whole story is just it just honestly
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: blows my mind, like it literally does.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And the fact that none of these were working though,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: like they were able to like tap in and get
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that much information from these demons. Yeah, but that like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like why didn't anything work, Like why
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: couldn't they get them out or even one out? You know?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that just seems But out of those six demons,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: like I said, there's a lot of like, oh, fucking
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Devil's in here, fucking Hitler's in here. You know, pick
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: any fucking villain from a TV show that you want, Oh,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he's in here. It could just be knowledge that someone's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: just randomly spitting out there.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Right, fucking Dexter maybe in there.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Dexter was a good guy. What are you talking about?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she still murdered people, he did, he did, But
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in the best of ways. I guess that you could
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: be a murderer.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But there are the two, which was Fleischmann, who she
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: rightfully shouldn't know about, and Judas, which is not necessarily
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: representing Judas himself, but Judas the role of whatever that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I just described here. And this is a consistent pattern
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in other possession victims. So those are two kind of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: interesting things about that. Very Yeah. Now, Analyse was beginning
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to refuse to eat during the times of her exorcisms.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: She went through stints in the past, but now it
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was worse than ever. And she stated, quote unquote that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: she was not allowed to wow, So whatever was in
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: her was not allowing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Her to eat.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: She must be so just frail height, she.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Gets extremely frail. We'll touch on that a little bit.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That's just the main thing that I visuals, like this
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: frail young woman.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: That's exactly that. But then on top of it, it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: not just this frail young woman. It's this frail young
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: young woman who is thrashing about.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Lots of.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Essentially like scratching, biting herself, dropping repeatedly on her knees
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: on the floor over and over again. She's beating and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: bruising herself, and then of course being restrained during exorcisms
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and everything. So it's just compiling. So you have this
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: frail woman who's not just frail, she's breaking.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, like that seems so wrong to be restraining her,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: but I guess you kind of have to.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they generally are restraining her to prevent her
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: from hurting other people or herself.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: So she wasn't eating, and the demon's quote unquote was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: not we're not allowing her to. Despite this, however, she
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: did consume the bread in communion, but just she felt
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a resistance inside her as she was trying to swallow
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the bread, so instead she just let it lay on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: her tongue softened to the point of almost dissolving, to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: ingest as much as she could.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now the demons told Annalise many times that she
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was suffering the repercussions of her mother's sin.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Her mother's sin. Yeah, do we get to know what
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the heck that was?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Now this is open to interpretation, I believe, But what
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I read this as is we touched on it very
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: first thing in last episode.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: The mom what's got pregnant is that right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Which she had a child at wedlock she had to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: wear a black veil to her wedding and air.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that actually.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's who knows what they're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: referring to, but that is my interpretation of what the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: demons are referring to.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So the demons care, though I.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Don't know that's right, It's true. I don't know well.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Witnesses to the exorcism, such as family priests, attests that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: she displayed almost superhuman strength, as it took several people
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to restrain her. At times, Like I said, she would
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: continue to keep repeating kneeling and raising over and over
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at ridiculous speed. She would feel heat throughout her body,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and she would often tear off her clothes in order
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to to cool herself. She had visions of demons, angels,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: those shadow figures, as well as stigmata marks appearing on
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: her body that were clearly distinct from other injuries. Do
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you know what stigmata is?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I was just going to ask.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Stigmata is referred to as an injury or marx on
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the body, correlating to the injuries that Jesus would have
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: sustained during his crucifixion. Okay, like marks on the hand
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and nails would go through the wrist. Maybe it was
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the wrist, I can't remember.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I think it was the hand.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know correlating to that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: So nails marks through wherever the nails are going him,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: his hands, feet often bruising, or marks on the back
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: where he would carry the cross marks on the heart
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: across the forehead, sometimes from the thorns of the crown
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of Thorns, that sort of thing. So I couldn't find
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: what stigmata marks she had, but apparently there were distinct
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: stigma and marks separate from her other injuries.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, and that just seems like that's too much. You
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: can't just like that's just not from being self inflicting
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: anything like.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: That's yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Who I don't even know what to say half the time.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: This shit's just so.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Wide, This is fucking dark.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: This is crazy and in the back of my head,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and it's like I'm just like, oh God, I'm going
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to be on edge for a few more days, aren't I?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Father Wren's actually did decide he was going
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to put analyse to and or the demons through a
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: few tests because he wanted to test the validity of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: these possessions, so secretly he did put through some little
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: tests here. He did speak to the demons in other
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: languages to try and get them to respond in other
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: languages that a lease wouldn't respond to.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, like the language she wouldn't know, yes.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, So he did try and speak in other languages. However,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the demons did respond to the and said, only speak
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: me in German. I'll only respond in German. But there
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: was one instance where he tried Dutch and the demons
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: did respond one sentence in Dutch.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And she wouldn't have known.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she would or would not have
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: known Dutch. Apparently, when she was younger she did excel
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: at languages, so it is possible. Okay, so that one's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: kind of inconclusive. This one, however, fucking gets me. This
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: is fucked right up? You ready for this?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I'm ready. Let's do it. What is?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: One of his tests he conducted was that he would
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: fill five water bottles with water, some with tap, some
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: with holy water. Though the bottles were unmarked. The demons
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: in Analyse would scream only when the holy water was
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: used on her.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Really apparently, huh.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: If that is true. That is fucking wild.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: That is so fucked wow. Oh okay, and okay, this
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I have to also say, this priest is like consistent,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: hey to be he put a lot of effort into.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Put a lot of effort into it, like to be doing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: This this, like he was really trying to help her.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. So, although the local parish priests recommended the analyst
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: be taken to a psychiatrist, the Michelle's already had their
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: fill of the psychiatrists and there was no way that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: an least now being a twenty two year o adult
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: could be persuaded to go to a psychiatric clinic.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Dang.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: However, remember in last episode again it was told by
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: one of the physicians that she was no longer capable
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of making decisions on her own.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she shouldn't have been able to decide that,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you mean, but her parents decided.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: That decide that for her.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like she should be doing both that end,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: working with the priest. I mean, why not.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Well, she still is taking some medications, she still is
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: seen doctors sometimes. She did have one doctor occasionally come
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: into her exorcisms as well, not all the time, but
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it was it was a thing that was still going
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on briefly here and there, okay, But psychiatrists specifically was like, yeah, no.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Well they may be sorry, I'm interrupting. Maybe not been
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: okay with the exorcisms either, yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Right, actially so by October fourth to sixth, somewhere in there,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it's either fourth, fifth, or sixth, two weeks after, or
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: maybe it's all three, I don't know. Two weeks after
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Father Wrens had begun the exorcisms, the demonic personalities weakened
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and spoke less frequently. Then on October seventh, seventh, another
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to grett All prescription for Analyse was being renewed and filled,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: and that same evening, after she's taking her medications, the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: demons returned in full force, even uttering a aparently a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: horse scream and high pitched laugh simultaneously out of Analyse.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And is that like, okay, I just I don't know
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: if it was meant to be like that? But was
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that correlated with the medication?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: You think, well, that's kind of how that's kind of
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: what it led them to start believing that maybe the medication,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the prescribed drugs, was having an effect on the demons
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and the possessions over Analyse.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was allowing them in or.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Fueling them or something potentially or fueling whatever issues she
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: had going on, whether it be medical or demonic or anything.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Right on October thirteenth, a strange new development occurred. Analyse
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: began receiving messages obstinately from the Virgin Mary. By October sixteenth,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: an Lise was told by her that she would become
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: entirely free by October, which it's already October, but.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So by like the end of the month, probably like dying.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Things however, didn't end in October. The torment, the exorcism, rituals,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and everything would continue four months. She would continue to
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: have conversations or visions or dreams of the Virgin Mary,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: along with conversations, visions and dreams from the Lord, amongst
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: many different things. But this we're getting way too deep
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: into the information for us to really touch on that.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: But the fact is that she was seeing these demon
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: faces and being possed by demons as well as angels,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and the Lord and the Virgin Mary communicating with.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Her, and this shit's been going on for years, really, right, yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Pretty much? So, Yeah, I can't imagine going through that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: for so long. No, So in April, however, an Alice
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: begged her sister to warn her if anyone was planning
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: on taking her to the physicians, and she expressedly did
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: not want to see a doctor. She wanted to see
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: this through. Her torture and pain kept going. She went
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: through fits of muscle contractions, being becoming rigidly stiff, screaming,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I put creaming.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I forgot the.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: S screaming, thrashing about biting herself, hitting herself, she compelled.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: She felt compelled to pray for hours on end, all
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: while going through exorcisms on a weekly basis. By June,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: she become a frail person, super frail person, just like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we were discussing with a sunken in face from malnourishment.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: She's essentially starving herself at this point.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's almost just amazing shows like her strength
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: that she's lasted this long. Really, I go.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Five hours without food and McDonald's is like only a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: drive away, and I'm just like starting to be itchy
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, well, remember I went a little longer
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: than usual today without eating, and I was like, my
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: vision was worried.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, I can't see ship, I'm going blind.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It was just like something was in there. Just my
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: eyes weren't working, and I was like, I need a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: freaking granola bar or something nourishment. So the fact that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: she's just going, yeah, I would, I'm like wow, like strength,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like strength, she's just really.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Her parents said she was drinking fruit juice
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and milk.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: However, that's good, it's something.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: It's something. Apparently there were occasions where she would drink
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like leaders at a time.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, when the demons allowed her to.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if they did try to feed her, like
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: even force feed her, because they're trying to give her,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: get her to eat something, she would refuse. She would
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: tightly close her lips and mouth and just like there's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: no way you're getting in her mouth, Like you're not
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: feeding her, you just can't. She's absolutely refusing. On June thirtieth,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: she went through another exorcism, just like all the rest,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: with prayers, thrashing about, screaming, severe bouts of rigidity, and analyse,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: kneeling and standing, kneeling and standing repeatedly. However, at this
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: point she is so weak she can't do it on
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: her own.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, so how's she doing it?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Well, she can't walk on her own, so she can't.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: She can barely stand on her own. But so she
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: she can do it, but she needs help and she
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like she demands, She's like, no, I need to do this.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: So her family is helping her stand and kneel, and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: they put a pillow on the floor so she could kneel,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to try and protect her because she's like just break, yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and it's the only thing they can do to like
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: try and she's thrashing, like freaking out. Otherwise, they're the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: only thing that they can do to try and come
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: hurt during these exorcisms. Then, on July first, at seven
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, an Lisa's father looked into Analisa's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: room and saw her sleeping. So he went off to work,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: just like another day of dealing with these extorcisms. He's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: got to pay the bills, it's going to come back
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: home and trying to take care of his daughter and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: his family. I'm However, an hour into his shift, his
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: wife called and told him that Annalise had died.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Oh so maybe when he looked in there, she was
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: actually passed away.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she most likely was not sleeping.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Oh and here he was just like, oh good, she's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: getting some rest and want to go off to work. Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: oh my heart.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's a little heartbreak moment for sure.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It is it. Ah, like that's his daughter. Yeah, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: he and and there's no lack of effort like this
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: family has done, burkin. I feel like almost everything really.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: However, I do want to say at least like there's
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: some satisfaction in knowing she's not suffering anymore.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like I know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: If you have, like, let's put it in this perspective,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: if you have like the family pet who's getting old
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and old and old, and they're just like they can
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: hardly stand or walk and they're so sick and cancer,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it's better to take them to the vet and put
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: them down if you can without that suffering. It sucks.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: It so sucks.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point it's like you're just the pets, especially,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: like you're just keeping them alive for yourself.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, not that I'm saying you should go and fucking
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: put your daughter out of.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: A misery or something like that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that, but there's that relief in knowing
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that the suffering is over.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because she was really really such she was suffering.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: So medical examiners concluded that Analysa's death was caused by starvation,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: which was possibly aggravated by physical exertion. I couldn't find
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: an exact number, but by the time of Anne Lisa's death,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: she weighed around ninety pounds.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Really hey, yeah, and we don't all like how tall
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: or anything she was.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure on her height. No, I've never
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: looked it up. I'm sure you might be able to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: find that pretty easily.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: But still like grown ass woman weighing ninety pounds.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: They found her inner organs to be completely healthy, her
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: brain had no damage hm and nothing that they could
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: find would even cause a microscopic seizure.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Seriously, her body.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: When there was an autopsy done on her, her brain
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: was completely normal, nothing that would ever even cause a microscopic.
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  Speaker 2: Seed and no damage to the brain whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: No brain's completely fine, her organ's completely fine.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Though apparently her pupil her pupils were unusually dilated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that could honestly just be from the fact
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  Speaker 2: that she was like malmourished in the sense.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe. What is also strange about the cause of her
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  Speaker 1: death though, is that she was able to get out
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  Speaker 1: of bed repeatedly the night before she died, even with help.
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  Speaker 1: That is extremely strange. It should be impossible for someone
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  Speaker 1: on the verge of death from starvation to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Her mobility is confirmed by the examiner's observations that she
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  Speaker 1: had no bed sores, which is not normal for someone
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  Speaker 1: found with starvation. Really, hey, so she was moving, she
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  Speaker 1: was getting out of bed, even with help. She was
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  Speaker 1: able to get out of bed, get moved, get motion,
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  Speaker 1: not sit in one place. Someone who's starving is not
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  Speaker 1: going to have the energy, the ability, or the strength
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  Speaker 1: to do any of those.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So what is that she did? Confused?
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  Speaker 1: She had strength she shouldn't have had medically.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I see, Okay, I'm just thinking, Like what I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking is was that was she should not have
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  Speaker 2: been dying or said it was starving?
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  Speaker 1: It was it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was just amazing that she was even able to
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  Speaker 2: get out of bed the night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was essentially a skeleton walking around. That's not possible,
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  Speaker 1: but it was happening.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm. Wow, my rain is just a turning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big head scratcher for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I was like, I was.
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  Speaker 1: Saying earlier, trying to play that neutral path. Even like
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  Speaker 1: adrenaline can kick in and give someone superhuman strength, you're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna like that. That doesn't make sense. Adrenaline isn't
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  Speaker 1: going to kick in at that point in your life.
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  Speaker 1: If it does, it might kick in for thirty seconds.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to keep you moving for days on end, praying,
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  Speaker 1: kneeling up and down, up and down, getting out of bed,
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  Speaker 1: preventing bed stores when you are literally about to die.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the demons are giving her power or something,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: or or the angels.
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  Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah, or the demons were you know, or
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: something treating her like a marionette or some sort something
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  Speaker 1: else was giving her something to move, which is fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Blows my fucking like, holy shit. How can you like
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  Speaker 1: look at something like that and not think that there's
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: other forces at plate, Whether you look at it religiously,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: whether you look at it spiritually, whether you look at
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it like I don't fucking paranormally, whatever, there's something else
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: at play.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, that there just has to be, Like with
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: that autopsy that it just makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, moving on though, an Lisa's parents and father Alt
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: and father Wrens were charged with negligent homicide. The prosecution
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: requested that, if found guilty, no involved parties be jailed. Instead,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the prosecution asked that the priests be fined and that
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  Speaker 1: the parents had suffered enough, which is actually allowed in
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  Speaker 1: journey court. Apparently, so, on March thirtieth, nineteen seventy eight,
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  Speaker 1: the trial began. All but one doctor that was questioned
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  Speaker 1: firmly asserted that Analse was not possessed, but she suffered
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  Speaker 1: psychological illness because of her strict religious upbringing and her epilepsies.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry, Okay, I'm listening to you, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: also like, what the fuck's a point of this? I know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, it's just ridiculous, really, the fact that this
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: has to go to a trial, right, but.
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  Speaker 1: This fun fact, this is one of the few cases
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: out there of exorcisms and possession that has actually gone
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to trial.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The one discerning doctor that did stand against the others
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  Speaker 1: Richard Roth. He had been a participant in some of
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the exorcisms and allegedly had told Annalise that there is
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: no injection against the devil.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The events argued that the exorcism was a constitutional right
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  Speaker 1: the unrestricted exercise of religious belief under the unrestricted exercise
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: of religious belief, but the court ruled otherwise. The court
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: concluded that the exorcism rights that were performed negligently. Sorry,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the court concluded that the exorcism rights were performed negligently.
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  Speaker 1: I can't speak words.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing good.
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  Speaker 1: And charged Annalise's parents and the priest with negligence resulting
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: in homicide. They were all subsequently found guilty of men's lies.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Oh really, and each were sentenced to six months in
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: jail with three years of probation. The priest and the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: church that he belonged to was also subject to a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: small find which was little more than the court fees. However,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the jail time was suspended completely, so no one served
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: any jail time.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: That was going to be my question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like in the movie Exorcism of Emily Rose,
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  Speaker 1: no jail time was served.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they, like she, they all consented to this
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: and everything. So that's why I'm just like even her,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: this is what she wanted.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean, take two people standing in a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: kitchen and one says shoot me, the other one says
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: okay and pulls the trigger, it's consent. I mean, that's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: not really how you know. There's laws against that shit.
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  Speaker 2: Stay, I guess, And we don't technically know she was
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: influenced heavily or whatever by her parents.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Well that's exactly the religious upbringing, right. Yeah, So to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: end this all off, in nineteen eighty four, the bishops
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: made a position petition sorry to the Vatican regarding the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: exorcism right, and a commission passed on the decision that
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: she was mentally ill not possessed.
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  Speaker 4: The Church, yes, huh, okay, the Vatican, not just the Church,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: the Church of all Church, the Vatican.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I just I honestly think this story.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: It's just like almost over my head. It's just so
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: wild because I just feel like there should be more
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: of this shit going on if it was a thing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: You know, well there's arguments on both sides of that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: But like I said, I only scrape the surface of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: this case. We this could be like a fucking twelve
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: part or.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: If we wanted to you, yeah, you can probably real
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: dive in.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you want to read in on more
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in this case, good luck. I bid you ado on that,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna be off doing your stuff for a while.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: It'll be a while before we see you over here again.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But it's who well, yeah, even just this case, like
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you do spend We spend lots of time researching, but
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you definitely spend like way more time I've.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Probably put in I would say fifteen to sixteen hours
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: researching this case.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: You're like me, I take a really long time researching.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: You do like really alone.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's have a little cheers.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: To at least maybe there's like a drip left.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: You can have a sip of mine, our official badass
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of the day for everything she went through. She she
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: deserves that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely does that, poor thing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Cheers to her, and cheers to you, guys.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Cheers to you, guys.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: What I was pointing at you to say, Stay wicked, Oh,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: stay wicked.