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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 04-04-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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  Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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  train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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  want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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  a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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  and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
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  This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and as so
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  many seekers of truth, of the only truth that can make us authentic,
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  the free mind see you. I invite you to travel with us on the
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  safest train of all, which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This
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  is the train of life. Or good morning, Spain, bon day,
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  friends and friends, from this corner of the Iberian solar, from this wonderful
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  place Barcelona, for all friends traveling on the train of life, we will
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  travel again. Join me in this train of life an experience like life itself.
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  Let' s go, gentlemen and gentlemen, well found in this little
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  spring morning. And now it is, now it is, that it is
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  spring. It' s not a mirage anymore, it' s a reality.
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  Spring blood alters well, but at least we' re excited because we
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  ' re closer to summer. In any case, after this very long bridge
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  of Easter holidays, we go back to ours again. We continue with the
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  questions of today and yesterday and also some of tomorrow, also because not here
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  we talk a little bit about everything, as we say in Catalonia, a
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  mica top parle in a mica de a tod and we talk today with people
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  of good, people who tell us life, tells us life from an angle.
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  There is a blind angle in the human being, which is spirituality.
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  I say it is the self, blind to that of many, not of
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  all, thank God. And spirituality is a true, not the spiritualism there
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  is, which is an idiomatic or semantic section, but spirituality is a true,
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  a connection with divinity. Well, here we talk in many ways and
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  today we have a guest, a friend also of this train that in a
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  short time has been made as very dear to us, since we have known
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  just over a year and is oriol Jara. Orion Jara is a radio and
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  television screenwriter. He is a man who has been working in the media for
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  years and also writes his book. Surprisingly, he wrote from his personal experience,
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  his first book of de o para creuran deu which is ten reasons to
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  believe in God, and I say to you he has created wrath on this
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  book because it has aroused the interest of many and many means, including ours.
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  But he has written a second book and it is conversation with God and
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  it is original. And this always strikes us that someone, from their experience
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  and personal experience, tells us things, tells us life in key. Different
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  in this case in some respects. Well, then, we' ll talk
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  to oriol Jara in a little while here, on this traveling train here in
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  the master car of the train of life and then he' ll be with
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  us also via zoom, also our good friend, the lawyer and also pro
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  - director of the biblical groups of graduates, who is Jaumallenas, a man
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  also with a very brilliant mind. We' ll talk about today, a
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  little bit clear. We' re talking about today' s scraps. We
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  don' t get into the loaf of today, because that' s what
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  others are for. Eh is not our priority instinct either, but we do
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  tell some things of general interest that concern us all. No and there we
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  have a good chat, as it is already or Malleras, that will be
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  telling us of the present from another look, here on the train of life,
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  And how we will not have our friend, Doctor Roca, Doctor Modesto
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  Rocca Bernabeu man is very multifaceted, apart from that they already know him.
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  It is only when he speaks that the soul is heard, not only the
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  voice. We' ll talk about the different pathologies of human blood, some
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  of them. There are problems in the blood sometimes in the worst cases,
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  and also how to take care of our blood with the subject of lipids and
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  some issues that we sometimes do not take very much into account. He'
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  s gonna talk to us about the lotus. The Rocca is the doctor who
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  listens to all the passengers of the train of life and who sees us if
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  we are right, bad or regular. But it also has that touch always
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  that morale of questions of life, of faith of spirituality, because, besides
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  being a good doctor, he is also a professor at the University of Doctors.
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  But as a man so multifaceted, he is also an evangelical pastor.
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  I mean, it' s funny not and he can talk to us about
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  things that are going to arouse our interest. But above all the blood,
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  the Bible, that the Bible is the word of God. It says something
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  very interesting, that the life of man, the life of the flesh of
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  man, in blood is true. If we didn' t have blood,
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  we' d be lost, we couldn' t have life. What is
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  more complex is human blood. Well, then, Dr Roca is going to
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  update us a little bit about the care of our blood and the possible problems
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  we might have and alert us a little bit to the case, well,
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  nothing more and nothing less. I think we' re going to have a
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  good journey, a good trip, a good company with these three swordsmen of
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  the word oriol jara yaumallenas and the modest doctor Roca don' t miss it.
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  We' ll be right there, I' ll leave you with a
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  musical proposal and we' ll keep talking. You can send your message through
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  three times double points the train of life, together is and follow us through
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  Facebook via fo See how the relative time that he was yesterday flies. Everything
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  is taken away by the wind I' ve put it on clocks. I
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  bought them a ticket for when I have to ball I don' t know
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  the day in the hour We live without a date of song. Be it
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  call where there is no more gold to test waiting with a new song.
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  Just like the little birds, my numbered hairs are. I' m not
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  a one- night stand in the futo of chance. You don' t
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  have to cry where we' re going to stay. The best of the
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  hotels the stars. Could not discount look march and more Oror thirst tempta this
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  andofon a new song. When you release the afternoon, unnaura paints are the
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  best of your lips. Compones pirar be livadre machado has not brazen is of
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  usadas. The Traffic and Road Safety Act has changed. We changed the rules,
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  because the way we moved has also changed. Therefore, now the deadline
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  to recover the starting balance of points is two years, without committing infringements that
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  involve the loss of new times points, new rules. Directorate- General for
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  Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. If you do not
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  separate the recyclable containers, the selective collection system and recycling separate, remember,
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  all. Separating is in your hands, recycling in everyone' s hands.
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  If you want to visit our website the wwwwww dot, The Train of Life.
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  The train of life. And, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen,
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  to all the pilgrims of the waves everywhere, for I invite you to
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  listen to us. We have a theme now and here we have the author
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  of your last book. He is oriol Jara, as Orion told them He
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  is a man who has worked hard and still works in the radio media.
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  He is a producer of radio, television, programmes such as Buena Fuente and
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  well- known programmes in Catalonia. He also knows what goes into this,
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  no, but beyond that, he has lived in recent years a very intimate
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  spiritual experience that has been very determining in his life for what he has been
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  telling us and has been writing. But beyond what is written, when I
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  hear him speak of the abundance of the heart, open their mouths, they
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  ' ll notice in a minute. Then he has written this second book,
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  Conversation with God, which is has a peculiar style and that always in a
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  writer attracts attention when there are writers who tell what almost everyone counts, but
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  when he has a singularity that and also does well, that is very striking.
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  That' s why I' m going to recommend this book Conversation with
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  God as an armed publisher, which is available to everyone in any bookstore and
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  on Amazon, of course. Well, well, very welcome, Dear Oriola,
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  friend Oriol, jara today I apologize for the cough very thank you.
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  Thank you for deciding for the second time, or that the first time wasn
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  ' t so bad. Man, it' s an honor to me.
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  The truth will be here. Thank you, man, and for me too
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  I am very pleased because I don' t know maybe it' s because
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  it' s something that I feel very concerned about when someone talks not only
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  about something that he knows or knows or theorizes, but when he speaks his
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  heart more than his words. And honestly it' s your case, not
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  yes, yes, well, I really appreciate it, ever since we first
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  talked about this whole writing process, of books, of lectures and such for
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  me it' s more of a supernatural work of the spirit and of God
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  than my personal one in the strict sense, and I' ve been writing
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  for many years for television, books, radio, whatever, and the process
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  is different. Now things happen in a way in which it is not in
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  control so much in my talent, but in something that sometimes overwhelms me,
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  you said, the peculiar style of writing and such in the end, when
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  I reread the books these last two, I see little reflected. There are
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  constructions, there are phrases, there are things that I explain and that are
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  written and that do not seem mine, which is bordering on the supernatural,
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  but to me it is clearly a work of God that I feel very happy
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  that I have decided to catch a person as undeserving as I am and to
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  use myself in this sense to convey a message that good that thanks to God,
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  seems to be coming. And it all begins the previous book, which
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  is DEU Rouns para creuran, DEU in Catalan in Spanish, is also published
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  ten reasons to believe in God that that first book I remember well, Marias,
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  I issue I remember that one day was a weekend, I heard you
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  in racuno and the merchant and then, from there and then in other stations,
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  in other media, the other, the other day, with this last
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  in laser and of course, you are a man of the media and obviously,
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  that has made it possible. But when I listened to your experiences,
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  how is produced something that will surely tell us through your own you pour it
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  also here in conversation with God. But it is unusual for a person because
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  I tell you what my experience with God has been and I share with you
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  the gospel of Jesus, which is the good news of Jesus, which continues
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  to prevail throughout time and is powerful for human life. And you might say
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  caramba, because this I feel has also attracted to that, but in your
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  case, you start investigating on your own. The restlessness in you wakes up,
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  let' s call it spiritual, you start digging through the Bible and
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  you discover. It' s unusual for some to do this. There are
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  even signs of historical men as well as Juan Sebastián Bacg or Newton. They
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  were also searchers through the Bible on their own and had an encounter with God.
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  But from there you discover a new world, an experience. It'
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  s something like that I' m going to say, and as it is,
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  and besides, it makes a lot of sense, because for those who
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  don' t know and I count it in the first book, but basically
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  I feel an impulse. Let' s say inspired, not literally driven,
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  blown by God in search of who God is. It is something that has
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  humanly happened always said Chesterton, a thing that is very funny, that said
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  when you do not believe in Christ you believe in anything. The idea of
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  humanity is that they have believed, we have believed as humans in anything ever
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  since. There are no great civilizations, ancient atheists. There is no such
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  thing because all people are born with this eternal transcendent impulse and we know that
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  it is God and that is why all civilizations have had gods. I tried
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  to search without any previous playing ground, without any family influence, that they
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  were not believers, without any influence of my surroundings, of my school,
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  that was public with total freedom. Let' s say intellectually. I tried
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  to know if God existed. Yeah, yeah that When I read, when
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  I read and heard you tell that I said it' s not usual for
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  you to say that I want to inquire about nothing more and nothing less than
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  God, who God is, where he is like this. This is true.
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  Or it' s a magic legend. Yeah, well, especially because
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  there' s one thing I think we should remember, which is that it
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  ' s the most important question in the cosmos, because if God exists,
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  he' s the most important being in the cosmos, so it was an
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  irresponsible attitude for me not to look for him, because it' s very
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  important. And then I started looking for him and I met one more deeply
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  than another. But what we know as religions from abbreviated books of the Indian
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  Majabarata, the Vagabat Gita, which is about Chrisna fundamentally Islam, that is,
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  with intellectual freedom. I insist I sought, who God was and how
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  mankind had revealed itself and suddenly I discovered all of a sudden over the years,
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  many years. But I discovered one thing that is fascinating and that I
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  am not tired of repeating it to all Christians and non- Christians, and
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  that is that there are many religions in the world and they all share a
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  structure just as it is the following. We, as people, know that
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  God is most holy, magnificent, unattainable, living in a sphere that is
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  not ours, and we all know, in any religion of the world,
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  that we must do a number of things to reach God. Some religious traditions
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  say don' t you see you eat this? Shouldn' t you eat
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  that? Another one you must bathe in this river. You must pray these
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  prayers every day, you must do magic exercises. All this because we want
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  to reach God. Christianity is not a religion, because Christianity is God coming
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  down to our encounter and rescuing us, because it knows that we are incapable.
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  Religion is usually cause frustration, because not because we are evil, we
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  are sinners. And always that effort to never eat fish, because God doesn
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  ' t want it. And those religious efforts never come to what God expects
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  of me. Christianity, on the other hand, is God, the God
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  of truth, the authentic God, becoming man, coming down for pure love
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  to rescue us to even rescue people as bad as me, that is,
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  people who have lived lives that logically do not deserve God to look at us.
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  But, instead, in a mysterious dynamic, for us, he out
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  of pure low love becomes, man, pays our price rescues us. It
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  is essential to understand that we are not talking about the fact that there are
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  many religions in the world and one of them is Christianity. I, having
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  spent years reading about religions, discovered for my personal impact that Christianity is not
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  the same as Christianity is something that no religion ever poses that it is God
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  becoming a person for love, is that you would hallucinate about how unusual this
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  is in the history of religions and, therefore, that was like an outrage,
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  such a beast thing in my life that I clearly saw that something real
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  was happening, that something different, authentic, exciting, full of love was
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  happening with the figure of Christ and with God. From there, the way
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  was to grow, to learn, until he decided to become perfectly clear and
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  visible to me that it is an operation that he does when he wants and
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  through the spirit. But the whole way has been beautiful and I have no
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  choice but to tell, because I think it' s important. It'
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  s clear. I tell it in a way that neither I could explain the
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  best honestly and I thank you, because there are so many seekers some are
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  the seekers who do not want to give or make noise, but that is
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  inside there is a restlessness where God is, if he is somewhere. Either
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  God is not, nor is he in our imagination, or must be eradicated
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  from the social imaginary, because it is a hindrance also for some in the
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  Jewish Christian culture. It is guilty, they say, and it is good
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  all that discourse that is anti- God, because you do not know God.
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  If they knew him, they wouldn' t think so. But because
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  if this were a challenge there, the bony nun wouldn' t waste my
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  time afterwards, with all my training and my art, I would dedicate myself
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  to planting melons or something else. But it' s not what you said.
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  If God does not exist, we are lost and it is a tragy,
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  and good to talk about something nonexistent and less of a supposed God.
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  But if God exists and has revealed Himself, attention must be paid to the
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  subject. EH,' cause he' s not the neighbor upstairs. Hey,
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  it' s more than that. Yes, then, God is our
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  creator. Moreover, God is our redeemer in this case. I mean,
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  for the second time we need God that we' re lost. And of
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  course, you explained it by saying I realized that there was one thing you
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  said that is not very popular, that we are sinners as well, of
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  course we cannot. I' ve tried to change the word to say look.
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  We are at fault with God. We have failed God And it is
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  true that I can do it in a more, more cheesy way or more
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  for today' s listener. We have not sinned. Yes, and we
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  must recognize it. Yes, I speak first person and always preach to me
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  first. I mean, I' m not going to give it to anyone,
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  but I preach to myself and if and then to the rest of the
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  people, I don' t go on a platform to tell people, to
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  hit them with the Bible, but to preach about what I know about me
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  and I know who I was. I mean, I understand that there are
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  words that today, but well, it' s another topic, the topic
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  of hiding certain words. But I was a grave sinner and at that time,
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  at a time when there was not yet repentance, Jesus came. This
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  is very important also for people and especially young people. Jesus does not come
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  when you are ready and clean. Jesus comes at the worst moment to rescue
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  you. That is what the Gospel teaches us, which eats with prostitutes and
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  tax collectors, not when they have already been purified, but when they are
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  at the worst moment Jesus does not become frightened. Sometimes there are people who
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  think how Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, but what I have
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  done does not tolerate it. He' s like a guy not a man,
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  not what you want him to go and together you' ll regret and
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  grow up and save you, but he' s not afraid of what you
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  ' ve done. It is a very diabolical strategy, the fact of turning
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  away believers because they think they have gone too far. Instead of running at
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  Jesus' feet and saving himself. I explain myself, that is, to
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  recover his communion and always the devil works in that sphere. A lot of
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  people will be recognizing him. What I' m saying, the sphere is
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  one of I' ve failed Jesus and I don' t even dare go
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  to worship. I explain to myself why I am ashamed and tremendous, because
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  this is very painful and causes many people to suffer greatly when Jesus precisely gathers
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  people at the worst moment and works in them for good. I have lived
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  it in the first person and I think this is important, which is also
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  a message of trust and not to be fooled many times by these lies.
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  There is one very very thing in the Gospel has millions of beautiful things.
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  There is one concretely that is closely linked to this. When Jesus presents himself
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  to the apostles after death, after the resurrection, and to show them or
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  to teach them that he is him, he teaches them the wounds. Wounds
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  are proof that he' s him and that' s exactly what he is
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  in our lives. My wounds are proof that I am, who I am,
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  and how God has operated on those wounds is proof of IL. No,
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  that road is super pretty. Let' s not panic. On the
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  contrary, with all humility, we go to Jesus' feet and say there
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  is a proverb that says the righteous falls seven times and seven rises. Eye,
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  the right one, the right one top, the right one falls seven
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  times. I explain yes, it' s interesting, because that speaks of
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  our humanity. Of course, because the religious interpretation you populi has made us
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  think that to get close to God we have to be almost perfect. No,
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  no, because we are imperfect, incapable, and in the worst of
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  me I remember my experience at the eighteenth atrocious fatal years. In my case,
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  I don' t know everyone in your world. God comes to your
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  world. Whoever you are. But Jesus comes and loves me clearly and loves
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  me and does not condemn me, but he persuades me and tells me I
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  want another life for you, a much better life. I want to cleanse
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  your soul, your conscience, your being and that' s what you come
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  to explain. I wasn' t thinking about the famous showsen that reveals us
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  to one more Jesus with a human face. No, with more human face.
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  No. The only thing maybe a little overreacted is the backpack. Not
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  that it' s too much, it' s too much today' s
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  backpack. But it' s okay, because it makes an account of what
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  the world of normal men could do, because there' s a mystic sometimes
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  clear. It must be interpreted that the Gospels are written in the key of
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  synthesis and the language of the time in the Greek c plus popular coine that
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  there was then, which is another way of understanding. But and sometimes you
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  see a Christ and a mystical environment that you say this is almost unattainable.
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  But not there, in showssen we are not told the humanity of all those
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  who surrounded Jesus, who were a mere era, were firecrackers. Most of
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  it is, yes, like us, it' s beautiful, it'
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  s very nice, this is very important. Then, humanity 100 per cent
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  lives, in the body and in human life. The first miracle, the
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  first sign John says of John' s Gospel is to convert water into wine.
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  Yes, there is more human, more physical than a miracle, which
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  is to turn insibity water into wine than to give and look good. Besides,
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  he sent the very good wine, which is intolerable. That time is
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  buevo, which was much better than anyone they' d ever tasted. That
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  tells us about one thing that spirituality. I don' t know what you
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  called him any other way, but this spirituality that we understand today as good
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  is that I don' t believe in God, but I believe in the
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  energy of I don' t know how good. Spirituality, philosophy, grega,
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  etcetera. They did not understand that God has made us body and soul.
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  They did not understand that the body is valid, that the body is
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  us as well. And Jesus comes to preach that precisely that it is something
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  revolutionary, one more thing, one thing that no ancient religion could understand when
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  Paul goes to preach Christ, Greece, Athens. What Athenian philosophers do not
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  conceive is when Paul says that there is a resurrection of the body, because
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  for them you are imputed, it is absurd. The soul is good,
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  but the body is bad, and Jesus comes to tell us that the body
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  is not bad, that the body is part of what we are. These
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  little ones, these little details of Jesus’ preaching. To me they are
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  so obvious traces of a divine theological truth that is opposed to everything we understand
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  as tuality religions that is mind- blowing. And once again, today we
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  are seeing how it grows and how it expands a kind of neo- paganism
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  in which many people are deceived by magic tricks, with toa- hundred spiritualitys,
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  with things that in the end are not a link with God. Done,
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  man who saves us but with magic formulas that in the end are frustrating
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  and that in the end have a weight also in the supernatural world, which
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  is another one for another book, but that is also important is that we
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  have to be alert as a Christian, that you will already be turning the
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  next one is sure that if you no longer have it, you already have
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  the bozo. I can imagine it you hear in this book conversation, this
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  second book conversation with God, you have to read the first one, which
• 34:53
  is very interesting, also ten reasons to believe in God as an alvada publisher.
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  This book is extended by Antony Puchberg, who Antony Puisberg is one of
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  the most illustrious journalists in the vanguard. I read your articles weekly. Between
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  me I read five six presses daily and hear it expounds, eh I say
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  it' s very generous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no.
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  No, man, I interpret that he has at least one culturally,
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  has an approach to the Christian faith or a connection. No, because I
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  totally didn' t know her, because her articles are chronic, as a
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  partner, political partner and social critic. But very brilliant, by the way,
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  in this and it expands and creates an awakening, an interest in reading.
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  It is the book when he has read the manuscript and recommends it.
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  That' s why I say that those who know Anthony Puchberg, I say
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  that he is credible, because he is a man I admire for his way
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  of writing. So here you start talking about a conversation I don' t
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  deserve. God tells you about yourself. Does God tell you about history?
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  God speaks to you of the present world, God speaks to you of the
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  worldly power, God speaks to you of the law, God speaks to you
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  of himself. Well, it' s true, they' re one of
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  those variables, yes, but that' s kind of polyhedric. God has
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  many bodies. Well, God is one, but he means but when we
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  see this, God tells you about yourself. How' s that good,
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  basically because the book is a good one. In the first book ten reasons
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  to believe in God I tell those things that have prompted my conversion. Apart
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  from the supernatural part, apart from the spirit that that culmination, there are
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  things that are ten reasons, specifically, including the historicity of Jesus or the
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  Bible, the scientific reasons that involve being a Christian in society, in the
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  family, things that change your life. In this second book I speak of
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  the Bible and the utmost importance of the Bible read today because it speaks of
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  the present society, speaks of our problems and gives important warnings about how we
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  are and what can happen in our lives if we do not have God in
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  the center, not as the first chapter of ageo, which is as if
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  I do not have God in the center as and I am hungry and I
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  drink and I am thirsty the clothes do not warm me and the money of
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  salary falls in sack. That says geo about what it' s like to
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  live without God. Then the Bible is speaking of us and it speaks of
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  the king, of the kings, of the politicians of Tiktok. Or I
• 37:55
  joke that God speaks of Tiktok, because there is a chapter, of the
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  third chapter of Isaiah that speaks as if you turn away from God if you
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  decide to believe in other things and you have not God in the center,
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  I will take away the elders and the wise and rule you, you will
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  be led by presumptuous young men. What we' re living today, a
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  society influenced by influencers who are kids. So, when I saw that the
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  Bible, based on reading it to you, is talking urgently about your life,
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  about your world, about your culture, I thought well, because you
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  will have to make a book, at least summarizing, explaining some things that
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  people when it. For me this book, my goal is to be an
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  introduction to the Bible, for people to receive this read it and think about
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  why I am not reading the Bible every day, what I am doing when
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  it is the most important book in the history of mankind, because it is
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  a book inspired by God and for people who do not know, have facts,
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  have details, have coherences that make it an impossible book written by the
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  human hand, by the hand of a person. It is impossible, for
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  example, a detail that people think will arouse interest. The Bible, which
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  is written by forty authors or more than forty authors for 1, 500 years,
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  has more than six sixty- three thousand cross- references, that is,
• 39:31
  there are sixty- three thousand times more nearly sixty- four zero times
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  in which one chapter, one verse, speaks of another, refers to another.
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  This in a book is impossible to happen so many times. It can
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  only happen if there is only one author and this author is God. Then
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  the Bible is something and besides, the Bible has one very important thing and
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  it is one thing that is very fundamental today. The bile is the truth
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  and the battle that is being fought today is not the battle for the truth.
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  The first time the Devil or the prince of demons or Satan takes his
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  head out in the Bible, the first time he does it is to deceive
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  Eve to confuse her. It tells him this that you assume as true.
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  It' s not true. Careful. The first time Satan appears is to
• 40:40
  confuse people about what the truth is. Eve, God, she told you
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  something, but I' m gonna mess you up, I' m gonna
• 40:47
  make her distrust. The truth is the phrase that Pontius Pilate says to Jesus,
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  which is wonderful, because it is very current. Tell you what the
• 40:54
  truth is? What' s the truth? What they say today, what
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  is the truth? It' s not a truth. It depends on what
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  you think. It is not the same with Satan, with Jesus in the
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  desert. Le Lía quotes him from the Bible, but misquoted to see if
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  he deceives him, then we are living a battle look how beautiful when Satan
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  appears in the Bible, he does not appear with armies and fire appears with
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  lies. That' s the battle. That' s what he' s
• 41:25
  eating in the head. People, as well as many Christians, are sometimes
• 41:30
  confused, but, as I always say, the Bible is an anchor.
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  The Bible is there and many people find me sometimes very funny, because it
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  tells me how I read, the Bible gives me peace, it gives me
• 41:43
  serenity. And I think how it doesn' t put me on the ropes.
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  Many times I get uncomfortable many times when I read the Bible, because
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  I think I' m not at that point. This thing he says doesn
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  ' t fit me with what society tells me, but it' s true
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  what you say. And one more detail to talk about this subject in jeremiah,
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  jeremiah, speaking God by the mouth of jeremiah, talking to the Israelite
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  people in Jerusalem and telling them you have turned away from the word, you
• 42:16
  have questioned the word of God and you have begun to do what the societies
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  around you do, because it seems to you that it is very fanatical not
• 42:29
  to follow what everyone does. When he speaks of this jeremiah, he refers
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  specifically to the Jews having reburned children as sacrifices to God, because everyone did.
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  They turned away from the word, and the moment they departed, they
• 42:45
  began to do what everyone did. In that case it was to burn children.
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  But today' s happening too. When we turn away from the word
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  and consider that following the Bible is fanatical, we begin to do what everyone
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  does and that clearly separates us from a very beautiful truth that we have in
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  our hands. So I think you' re just asking God to make this
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  book conversation with God, I' m only asking the Lord, if he
• 43:15
  wants, to be an incentive for people to decide as good. I'
• 43:20
  m going to follow a Bible reading plan every day a little bit and see
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  if in two years, three years, I' ll read it all and
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  start again. Only that happens in one person. I' m going to
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  give glory to God. I' m going to be very happy because I
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  think it' s super important that we go back to this to the Bible
• 43:45
  He hears that I think about what catches my attention I don' t know
• 43:52
  if about three years ago you had this experience of meeting Jesus, the word
• 43:58
  and the lucidity that God has given you for this is that this, this
• 43:59
  is something. This is not a normal thing, this is something and I
• 44:04
  know who happens to something in cases that happens to someone who has had to
• 44:07
  have a genuine experience with God, that transformational that makes you give you another
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  worldview of life. Yes, I saw it and I like it very much
• 44:21
  because the book your book conversation with God, they have it within their reach
• 44:27
  in any bookshop in masonry. Of course. Editorial alvada and the previous book
• 44:32
  very interesting. Ten reasons to believe in God in Spanish, in Catalan by
• 44:37
  urragons par creuran DEU and the Bible. I am a member of the Board
• 44:45
  of Directors of the Bible Society of Spain and I always learned to love this
• 44:52
  book The Bible as the Book of God. And when I see the history
• 44:57
  of the Bible, everything that happens in life, what the Bible does to
• 45:00
  people, because we are the Bible is the first missionary in the world.
• 45:05
  Then the Bible partner is dedicated, for example, to countries where the Bible
• 45:07
  cannot reach and we finance it to arrive for free so that because it is
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  the most powerful missionary there is. And it is true that this book the
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  Bible. And here in this book, from what you say, you explain
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  it in your book, No one can explain it to God. It is
• 45:29
  impossible for God to be self- revealed. The Bible is God' s
• 45:32
  revelation author, because God is inexplicably humanly speaking, evidently, and this is
• 45:38
  it. In addition, there is another thing that a good friend of mine,
• 45:43
  who has been the Director General of Biblical Socidad, Josés goes to see
• 45:46
  Catalan de pro Pero who lives in Madrid, Well, I don' t
• 45:50
  say it as he gave it, but who lives in Madrid, then says
• 45:55
  the Bible is a book that has many peculiarities. One of them is that
• 45:59
  it' s a book that reads to you yes, yes, I like
• 46:02
  it exactly. It' s a book that reads to you completely and interacts
• 46:09
  with you. Not magically. No. It' s not a spiritism thing.
• 46:15
  It is simply written from eternity. It is not the concept that God
• 46:20
  is not in time is out of time and it is written also for you
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  and also for your time and, therefore, is talking to you and your
• 46:30
  circumstances, so that he reveals you is not self- help. It'
• 46:36
  s not like the Bible tells you phrases to help you. No. No,
• 46:39
  the Bible reveals you to God at every moment of your life and that
• 46:44
  is the fundamental thing. The Bible is a revelation from God. That'
• 46:47
  s important. Man, of course it' s all about knowing who God
• 46:52
  is. It is what gives you life and allows you to understand the work
• 46:57
  of Jesus. There is a self I always try to explain the if I
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  can the Gospel by giving it the context of the Old Testament and Jewish culture,
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  for because many times there are things that happen in the Gospel that,
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  if you don' t know the context, you simply hallucinate with Jesus.
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  But you sometimes miss a little greatness. For example, I will give an
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  example that now that it is beautiful and in the Leviticus God reveals himself and
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  pretends that people understand how holy it is. He makes the effort that we
• 47:42
  clearly understand that God is most holy, that God is most great, that
• 47:49
  God is one thing that is not within our reach. These foundations are very
• 47:52
  important to understand later his work as Jesus with his coming in his son.
• 47:58
  There is a moment in chapter fifteen in which those women who have menstruation cannot
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  approach the temple or the tabernacle, for God is most holy. Those women
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  who have menstruation should be out of being unable to approach during the days of
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  menstruation, then purify themselves and then come. Even if they touch something,
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  it' s impure. If a man touches them when he has antration,
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  it' s unpunished. That is, the woman who has menstruation cannot even
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  approach the tabernacle. When God reveals Himself to us in Christ, we find
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  a chapter, verses that are precious, in which a woman who has a
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  twelve year period, I believe that they were not only approaches God, but
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  has the faith that God has become man to save us and touches him.
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  If we only know the episode of hemorrhosis, we say how oysters this woman
• 49:07
  just touching Jesus has healed herself. But in reality, what Jesus is telling
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  us is that God has become a person. God has come to meet us.
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  It' s not like you can' t come near the tabernacle anymore.
• 49:20
  That is no longer that you can touch God and save yourself is so
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  beast, it is so precious that it is as it is operating in a
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  precious and narratively perfect way throughout the Bible. It is that scene among many
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  of Jesus with the woman of hemorrhage, blood, unstoppable hemorrhage. It'
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  s not that I bled her out, that of course I had her in
• 49:49
  a chronic anemia and that she could die from moment to moment. And that
• 49:52
  whole scene between so many not and you in a moment has described it like
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  this and it' s fantasy, because she thought if you just touch and
• 50:05
  this is thinking about faith, exactly that kind and just and that' s
• 50:08
  why I talk many times about thinking about faith, talking in faith and acting
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  in faith is the key and then it' s if you just touch the
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  border but there' s like that conflict and that woman touches her and the
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  miracle occurs, she stops the bleeding and Jesus says that it' s all
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  so extraordinary, knowing that Well forgives, knowing that in the tornada, in
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  the old will that that woman would know, it could be even stony if
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  she couldn' t touch exactly man and she has the faith to know that
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  that that that' s changed. There is a paradigmatic case of this and
• 50:45
  that I explain because I think it is fundamental to understand this that you just
• 50:51
  said Naaman is a Syrian official, there will be Elisha to cure him of
• 50:57
  leprosy and Iseo tells him in Jordan Yamn that he is a religious man of
• 51:02
  his religion. It says like that' s too easy. He waited for
• 51:07
  a rite, a potion, a magic to heal himself and they tell him,
• 51:14
  but yes, it is easy to do it and his faith the confidence
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  that God will heal him just by getting into a river heals him. In
• 51:22
  Christianity, the fact itself never heals you. There' s no such thing
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  as magic. What cures you is that trust that God will operate for you
• 51:31
  and that is a brutal thing. There is a time when many people are
• 51:37
  misbehaving in the people of Israel with Moses stinging snakes and getting sick and Moses
• 51:43
  making a copper serpent. I think it' s the lift and people do
• 51:50
  look at it that faith that God will operate. It' s dark what
• 51:57
  happens to humans, how we are. If we go after the Book of
• 52:00
  Kings, I think chronicles, we find that the Jewish people grabbed that snake.
• 52:06
  He thought that what cured was the object and put it in the temple
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  was done to worship it. Yes, it is so nice to see how
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  we are and how God operates in a different way. Since it is not
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  this, it is not the object, it is not what you touch,
• 52:24
  it is your faith from the first moment that God will operate for you as
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  there will be faith. No, and it' s not consistent. There
• 52:34
  is no inconsistency. It is not that, suddenly, as is logical,
• 52:37
  for a religion that speaks two thousand years or a thousand years before Jesus,
• 52:43
  because people became idols like the whole world, is not that God is different,
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  is not like everyone else. God is special when that is why I
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  share him, because when you have read, studied, known religions and find
• 53:02
  the Bible, you have the face of how this does not resemble anything,
• 53:07
  because if you go to any ancient religion, from Hinduism to Buddhism, all
• 53:14
  have the idea of Greek mythology, which we all know. What Zeus was
• 53:19
  like. Zeus wasn' t a good guy. Zeus was someone who wanted
• 53:22
  sex, who wanted such worship, who wanted flesh, who wanted, who
• 53:28
  was evil, who killed a pregnant woman so that not her son would inherit
• 53:32
  his throne. But that wasn' t Zeus. Estrora Zeus, this was
• 53:37
  val This was Marduk. The gods were thus the god of the Bible,
• 53:43
  a god who loves his people. Unconditionally there are no ancient religions. Really.
• 53:47
  I mean, it' s not invention. You can study it.
• 53:51
  It is a very rare thing, because it is the only god who is
• 53:55
  God of truth. The others are idols. If you want anything, as
• 54:00
  they say, Hebrew. Not elogim not spiritual beings, but they are not
• 54:04
  him. Elogim the only God that interesting. We listened to Oriolo Jara and
• 54:10
  we' re talking from his book. Last conversation with God of publisher Aldaba
• 54:15
  albada pedón and also recalling his previous book by the same publisher alluded ten reasons
• 54:22
  to believe that God has it at his disposal in any bookstore and then in
• 54:29
  a masquerade, for easily how many interesting things not in your book. Well,
• 54:37
  there' s so much we could go through, but we have to
• 54:38
  read the book. Hey,' cause one thing we' re extracting here.
• 54:42
  Scramble a supernatural conversation or then say and providential tell us a little bit
• 54:51
  about this. Yes, well, it' s supernatural, I' ll
• 54:54
  do it quickly in providence, I' ll tell you that it' s
• 55:01
  a beautiful story about natural, because I, personally, as a Christian,
• 55:08
  even after I' ve become, didn' t know the supernatural world of
• 55:10
  the Bible. He did not have, as evidently, if we understand how
• 55:19
  supernatural God himself. His work in your heart is supernatural, the Holy Spirit
• 55:24
  is supernatural. But in the Bible there is an abundant, real and explicit
• 55:37
  presence of evil spiritual beings there and, in addition, there is a conquest
• 55:45
  struggle in which God, through Jesus, operates to conquer the world up to
• 55:54
  the Avenue of Jesus. The first was a thing known as cosmic geography.
• 56:02
  Every city, every province, every territory had its own naman idol that we
• 56:09
  talked about now. What he asks when he is healed is to take land
• 56:15
  from Israel to Syria in order to be able to pray to God, the
• 56:21
  God of Israel and needs the land because each place had its god worth And
• 56:27
  it is something that is mentioned in Teronomius thirty- two, which is like
• 56:30
  that God divides the world between idols and he stays Israel. When Jesus arrives
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  his operation is of conquest. It is the first religion, if we want
• 56:42
  to call it so it has a universal vocation. That did not exist in
• 56:45
  India there was every city had its modest. In Greece, every city had
• 56:51
  its God. In the Middle East, each city had Marduk, a Baal.
• 56:54
  Even art, Jesus comes to conquer the world for God, just like
• 57:00
  that. In fact, the first demons who recognize Jesus are the Gadarenes who
• 57:06
  are out of Israel and say what you are doing here, How is it
• 57:10
  not the deal we had then. This world is supernatural of conquests, supernatural
• 57:15
  of spirits. It' s beautiful and in the chapter I try to make
• 57:23
  an introduction to something that I would love to be a book later. It
• 57:25
  is worth on this subject and I say providential, because God speaks to you
• 57:35
  quite clearly. If you want to listen in your life and tell an anecdote
• 57:39
  that will try to make brief. I have four wonderful children. The last
• 57:45
  one is called Isaac and it is a name that we do not know very
• 57:52
  well how it has appeared in our life most times, or all times,
• 57:54
  when there is one when one has to name a child, because the father
• 57:59
  says some, the mother says others no, and the mother decides and then
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  the son has a name that they have consented and sac appeared in the life
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  of this child, in the barrier of his mother and it was simply called
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  isa that was almost impossible. Well, when he was born, we took
• 58:19
  him to baptize a Roman Catholic church and I don' t know who knows
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  or doesn' t, but every Sunday there are readings in every Roman Catholic
• 58:31
  church in the world. Let' s say the same and, well,
• 58:37
  we looked for a day that we were doing well to baptize the child that
• 58:40
  was my sister, my family could come. Well it was made as the
• 58:43
  calendar that was possible and when we took the boy to be baptized, that
• 58:49
  day' s reading was the announcement to Abraham of Isaac' s birth.
• 58:54
  So the mixture of the two things, of the appearance of the name and
• 58:59
  of and of the reading was, as it goes is that it is fascinating
• 59:05
  as God, somehow it helps you to grow that trust, which is so
• 59:09
  important, to grow that trust that in the end are roots, are fundamentals
• 59:16
  for you to say how sometimes, what I have to preach, what I
• 59:22
  have to do society does not accept me. It is that God exists in
• 59:30
  some way providential, is that he coincides the name, which is son of
• 59:35
  the promise and ISAAC with the text of the scriptures that was read that Sunday,
• 59:43
  and it is a kind of prophetic confirmation to understand you, no yes,
• 59:49
  I never know, that is, if anything God has given me in
• 59:54
  recent years is the most precious treasure that is humility and lack of self-
• 1:00:02
  esteem. He said a preacher and that' s very good. And then
• 1:00:07
  I never dare try and say diagnose. What does God say in that work,
• 1:00:16
  at that particular moment that I but he does say something and it is
• 1:00:22
  a way for me to give us a colleja. To me the first to
• 1:00:28
  tell us how it is that I am before you you say a very nice
• 1:00:35
  thing, that is that the Bible is God revealing itself and there is no
• 1:00:42
  other way it is. There is no other way to know God than He
• 1:00:44
  revealing Himself. Aithana is my wife. If I go to a physicist,
• 1:00:52
  biologist and doctor, I' m going to be defined by Ittana. They
• 1:00:58
  ' re going to tell me how their molecular composition is, they' re
• 1:01:02
  going to tell me how, how much it measures, how much it weighs.
• 1:01:04
  They' re going to tell me how their organs work, they'
• 1:01:07
  re going to tell me how many beats they give but I know how Saitana
• 1:01:10
  is. With all this accurate information, even if science tells me a thousand
• 1:01:17
  details, I don' t know who it is. If it' s
• 1:01:21
  not revealed to me, that' s the case, it' s a
• 1:01:24
  good example. Yeah, yeah, and it' s like God science already,
• 1:01:30
  but if it' s not revealed to us, we don' t
• 1:01:31
  know who it is. And he has had the great mercy to rebel,
• 1:01:37
  to reveal himself in a book that is as God wants it to be.
• 1:01:44
  Debates from me have sometimes called me a Bible fundamentalist. I have been called
• 1:01:49
  a Bible fundamentalist, because I quote it a lot and am certain, by
• 1:01:58
  a purely philosophical and theological reasoning, that the Bible is exactly how God wants
• 1:02:04
  it to be. It' s that he wants you to know this is
• 1:02:09
  like, but because it' s all powerful, so he' s not
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  going to leave a Bible other than what he wants it to be. And
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  then that thought. I think it' s fundamental that you look at this
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  chapter. No. No, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no. If I were to start saying Look
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  July, it' s that this verse man where you finish the Bible is
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  as God wants it to be. And that for me is a guide,
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  a real guide. It' s not just words that I the good one
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  already see. I emphasize it because I think how I wish I didn'
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  t forget this phrase never clear, yes, I see that it has left
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  over already, but that speaks of that of a reader of life, is
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  that it is the book, a master of life, is the master of
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  life. Look, I learned to look at myself, and then I got
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  into culture late and into my career too, but later on, when I
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  was twenty- seven years old, but I was ahead of a complicated world.
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  I learned to read well because I didn' t almost go to school.
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  He was very sick from the age of eight to the age of twelve,
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  and he had huge gaps. I learned to read well, starting to
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  read the new Testament and slowly And so on, and the Bible has been
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  my educator, Glory of God and you know it' s true when I
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  studied and now I' m part of, a few years ago I have
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  the honor to be part of the Board of Directors of the Bible Society of
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  Spain, which is more than centeria of almost two hundred years promoting scriptures and
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  I have studied the Bible of the subject, inerrancy, it is, liberals,
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  the contras, all those who say and I have stopped saying good apart,
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  that the Bible has transformed my life, as I see it has transformed
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  yours which is the word of God, it does not contain the word.
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  It is the word of God, which is different. I realized it'
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  s a miracle book. After now we have it here in a fact cymil
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  look how nice and how and how of all several translations and versions a little
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  more updated. Of course they have what dynamic language is, the Bible.
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  Not the new translations, which are very interesting, not the words are more
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  simplified, but that is very interesting for the homer mentality. Today, without
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  perverting the essence that the biblicalists in this are very much Masorets. But when
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  I study life and read and have that fancied look here, well, I
• 1:04:51
  do any Bible, both Catholic and evangelical, that have the books of the
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  When I read the Bible really this is a miracle. When the avatars who
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  have lived the Bible to get to the canonical books that have been selected with
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  the parents of the Church, of the previous generations and what have passed and
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  the mistreatments that have occurred and of the heresies that have been and that finally
• 1:05:16
  came to an end. Practically not long ago. After all, almost in
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  the modern age, the conclusion of scriptures as the book we have Canonical.
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  This is a miracle. It' s a miracle but clamoring. It'
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  s a miracle people should think about it, they should understand it, they
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  should remember it every day. The Church is a miracle. The Church,
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  the body of believers. The disciples of Christ are a miracle in the year
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  three hundred and seventy- three. I believe it is from the persecution of
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  Diocletian, the greatest against the Christians of Rome. The greatest was proposed and
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  forced to burn down all the houses of assembly and all the Christian texts.
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  Everybody. In addition, many people died with the five zero Christians executed.
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  Seventy- seven years later Christianity was the official religion of Rome. Not even
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  eighty years after the greatest persecution, Christianity is the official religion of Rome.
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  God has operated to save his church and to make it an engine of salvation
• 1:06:45
  for the world. That is why we have this so beautiful, so urgent
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  call to go and preach go and preach is that Christianity is very well at
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  home. If you are a Christian, go home, it is not that
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  it is not our command, that besides, it is an honor to go
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  and preach the Gospel to all the creatures of the earth, even to those
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  people who sometimes today these oh that evil, these God, God must hate
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  these because they are very bad and they are neither great nor bad, and
• 1:07:19
  what does it do with jonas, no, do not see nor snow and
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  save them, is that they are very bad. I' m leaving,
• 1:07:26
  I' m leaving the frame run away and God is how they are saved,
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  I command you to go and save us, even if you despise them,
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  even if those of Nineveh have thrown the twin towers of your time go
• 1:07:41
  and preach to them. That is so beautiful and so urgent for all Christians.
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  It' s really urgent. If not I wouldn' t be tomorrow
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  I' ll go to Jerez, I wouldn' t be there going up
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  and down this one will let you. For example, it is that and
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  and the guy flees from the presence of God and comes to Spain, he
• 1:07:59
  comes there and to talk about it, that is Tarsis, which was the
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  river formerly sailing ships. Yes, and it' s true. I speak
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  to the book Jonals It is the book of God' s mercy. I
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  won' t have compassion. It is of more than one hundred and twenty
• 1:08:17
  thousand souls who do not know how to discern among their right hand human.
• 1:08:19
  He wanted many children and many animals. That is where even the delicate God
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  appears. One last question, because time goes by we could spend hours talking
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  to the river El Jaray sure our listeners will say go on, go on,
• 1:08:38
  go on, but we come back after a guest friend who also talks
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  to us about other issues. But look, you said one thing that strikes
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  me. Maybe that' s it. I think it is an explosive conclusion
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  that I would like you to explain to her the difference between pagan religions and
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  religions of other kinds of mysteries and of such and such that there has been
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  in the world. They have a universal declaration in Christianity, in the Bible,
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  both in the old and in the new Testament, but much more in
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  Jesus is God is love, he is not an angry god of the gods
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  of mythology. They are angry and narcible, for they zeuos against others and
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  such not and fight against each other, not against each other. But you
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  already mean but this is breaking neither in the Amora code to me nor in
• 1:09:33
  any of the ancient and ancestral religions. God is love and something they say
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  God has love. No, no, no, God has no love.
• 1:09:43
  God is love, he is a volcano of love and loves unconditionally and this
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  I liked to assimilate, uh, as unconditionally. I have to do something
• 1:09:53
  because to deserve that I am worthy of God' s compassion, I can
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  not, no, no, well, said a friend pastor told me and
• 1:10:03
  I said to God amac and unconditionally and he said yes, yes, well,
• 1:10:08
  Conditionally, the condition is Christ. Okay, okay. This is the
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  time, it is true, that is, that is your merit Christ,
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  and it is very important. In the book I explain it, but what
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  you say is essential to set an example. The universal flood is something that
• 1:10:26
  happened. It is a historical truth and diverse cultures collect that event, because
• 1:10:34
  it is a truth. And in Mesopotamia there is talk of a universal flood.
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  What is the difference and I believe that in this we will try to
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  understand what God is about compared to the gods. God creates people and is
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  sorry because they are hurting each other, because he is importing in a way
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  that excites me, because it is as if my family brothers are killing each
• 1:11:06
  other, plotting with each other. That is terrible and God decides to end
• 1:11:17
  that horror and start with a society that is closer to what he is so
• 1:11:23
  that people do not harm each other. That is the fundamental theological idea of
• 1:11:28
  the flood. This same flood Hemopotamia is told the following way Enlil, the
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  enlil God was sick of the people because it made noise and did not let
• 1:11:42
  him sleep and sent them a flood. This is to understand what God is
• 1:11:47
  and what Heos gods are also serving us God, not God loves. There
• 1:11:54
  is no God of Antiquity who loves people, all of them. There'
• 1:11:58
  s none, but it' s not that I say it, it doesn
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  ' t exist. It doesn' t exist. And another very important thing.
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  There is no God of Antiquity who manifests that humans are his image.
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  None of the likes of any God that kings say are my children, the
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  kings. But may a God say even this destitute is my image. We
• 1:12:19
  too have to be alerted by this person whom society tells us not to listen
• 1:12:25
  to him today is already very old. Watch that it' s God'
• 1:12:30
  s image, careful with what you' re doing, not that it'
• 1:12:33
  s super pretty, which is one of the sins of sodoma. It'
• 1:12:36
  s like the hand of the needy. You' ve held the hand of
• 1:12:40
  this person who' s suffering that' s natural, or you' ve
• 1:12:45
  been an abomination and you' ve ignored him. Although even animals, when
• 1:12:46
  there is an attack that makes us protect the weak, animals and in us
• 1:12:51
  are taking us to a ground where, well, the elderly are already very
• 1:12:58
  bad and others are fast, which is an abomination because it is unnatural,
• 1:13:02
  not normal. Okay. Indeed, we would be hours. They speak yes,
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  because it' s the subject or it' s the subject. That
• 1:13:12
  ' s why we have to make a male and our listeners hear it and
• 1:13:15
  say it' s interesting. We are listening to everything now we have artificial
• 1:13:21
  intelligence that does not, if that or that said the omos of good,
• 1:13:27
  means also it is beyond that for here and that says there is an approximately
• 1:13:32
  told us I believe that twenty, thirty percent of possibilities that artificial intelligence destroyed
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  humanity. I mean, we' re creating our own gods that are going
• 1:13:48
  to destroy us in the end. If not, it will be I who
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  know, because we need a redeemer only Jesus, if it is the one
• 1:13:58
  who saves man from endemic sin. And besides, what is behind is eternal
• 1:14:04
  life, It is a life with him forever, in an eternal kingdom,
• 1:14:09
  in a new world, new heavens and new earth. But for all that
• 1:14:14
  you have to read this book conversation with God Look I am sure that those
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  who needed listening with the river The Jara and a servant will have said wow.
• 1:14:24
  He hears him, don' t cut, uh, but look.
• 1:14:27
  If you listen, well, you' re gonna be able to. In
• 1:14:30
  our Spriaker. The train of life is recorded on our YouTube channel, also
• 1:14:33
  from Julio Pérez, but also on the Fribou Like. You have it in
• 1:14:41
  mind, you cannot hear it again, but the book will get you to
• 1:14:48
  enjoy it and if you have spiritual concerns, you probably will. An approach
• 1:14:51
  to faith through this book, to the Christian faith, recommend it to your
• 1:14:58
  friends, because that council is a book that is understood and already I tell
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  you has singularity. That' s why I recommend it too, dear oriol
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  friend Ho honor, thank you for being here, for taking your time and
• 1:15:15
  I know that you have a work schedule, of your own, of your
• 1:15:19
  own production and that you are there, but also of your conferences, goings
• 1:15:24
  and comings. Thank you for having me understand, thanks to you and that
• 1:15:27
  it is a very great honor that you interview me with all your heart.
• 1:15:30
  I feel very lucky to be here. Thank you and I too for sharing
• 1:15:35
  this time with you. I enjoy it, but very much so, nothing
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  is always there. Friends and those I blessed graces or the train of life,
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  half life of the desert Prosperas Abraham and the people who looked at the
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  sky and Stephen without pit give him the pole rests because he tries me.
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  Moses hit the broken one and you gave him no feeling of going dart in
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  arms. He knows how to give you by faith He understands people with his
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  sea Is it you who will provide? Will you provide? His is my
• 1:17:21
  decity I will not have all is well, let me always know if the
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  widow of a tsareta all your provision rejoices the word larrorescito, Holy Ericus,
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  and so you are gave and so we will see him you will see him
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  what he did is my lence I will not see you all kisses were always
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  eaten. Yes, Heart, do not fan you will see sansvirme a no
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  casito your lia remember that the victory blood the membre of the Lord or Heart,
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  do not fret your hope laugh your streets the decito of my remember that
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  the victory is tande lante of the Lord that the victories tanmbre of Lord Hard
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  of your problem trisores and will rock not to have all massa always suspect if
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  your promise will provide it gray or the lingnes the whole shoulders always suffocate my
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  heart. You fan hopes to sansvirme the Mommy streets or until he comes,
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  until today closer than ever we invite you to the second edition of this interdenominational
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  congress aimed at the whole Body of Christ in Spain and Europe, which will
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  take place from twenty- six to twenty- eight April at the Fira de
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  Reus, Tarragona. With us will be the international speakers Mariano se Igual,
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  Benjamin Núñez and Marcos Brunet. All walan we wamado well or wamado for more
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  Until he comes. Hode a pedarradi, home before your glory, bafay b
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  plotted and all or gora. If you want to visit our website Law the
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  train of life. Desto is important, ladies and gentlemen, how good that
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  we travel through temporal space like this and are traveling through the ether of waves
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  through frequency, modulated also by social networks. Through you can connect us on
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  Up on Mars, on Jupiter, on Saturn, on Venus, through Ona
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  paul Cat. There we can be tuned in beyond the frequency of your city.
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  The train of life is a traveling train. Travels through more than a
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  hundred Spanish cities. Every week and you can connect us or to Pau the
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  three rigor BSS ona Pau boom Cap with t final that is the abbreviation of
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  Catalonia. Well, we' re in good company. We have our friend
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  already on Mallenas, who already missed him these days between the weeks Santa and
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  some guests that we have had so a little bit special of these that are
• 1:24:32
  not frequent, that have forced us a little bit to displace some programs.
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  But suddenly we return to the pulse of the present with our good friend,
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  already or more full. You know he is a lawyer, but he is
• 1:24:48
  also the national coordinator of biblical graduates of GVG, then degrees of biblical groups
• 1:24:59
  and is also a lecturer at the level of our country, but also international
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  and always a special talker, because he is at the end of the news,
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  knows what happens and we have always said that we, believers, some
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  interpret that we live in Babia. No. No, no, we'
• 1:25:18
  re up to date. Okay. My job also forces me to do it,
• 1:25:21
  not because of journalism, but in general, when we talk on the
• 1:25:27
  radio, it says good. But these people, yes, yes, we
• 1:25:30
  know what' s going on, at least some things we know good.
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  Well, welcome, dear friend Jaun Mallenas, thank you, Julio. A
• 1:25:40
  pleasure to hear from you, also because this is seen and somehow, for
• 1:25:45
  it is a pleasure to meet again after these weeks that we have been out
• 1:25:50
  taking a little rest. I also hope our listeners have also had a little
• 1:25:57
  rest. And, well, then, retake the pulse to the present,
• 1:26:01
  re- take the daily work that in the end is when we produce and
• 1:26:05
  when we do good things and that, somehow persist after us, because our
• 1:26:12
  work persists even after us. Well, we' ve had vacations, some
• 1:26:19
  of the week- long ones have taken advantage of it to go to different
• 1:26:25
  tourist destinations. Spain is a great country for that. Well, Spain to
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  Europe and any part of the world when you have a week ahead, because
• 1:26:32
  you can travel. But we have also had holy water from heaven that is
• 1:26:36
  missing is true. That' s right. It rained a little in other
• 1:26:41
  parts of Spain. It has rained more, but here in Catalonia it resists
• 1:26:45
  rain, but something has improved. What has fallen is that water from heaven
• 1:26:48
  literally, not only because it fell from above, but because it came from
• 1:26:54
  heaven really from God' s provision, from that good provision of God,
• 1:26:58
  which makes rain upon the righteous and above all righteous, is true. And
• 1:27:00
  in that sense, blessed by the water, which we have blessed by the
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  increase say today, I read that the water that has fallen provides us with
• 1:27:13
  a cushion of two months of water consumption in Catalonia. Not bad, because
• 1:27:17
  we were really in a very distressing situation with regard to water consumption. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we' ll have to think.
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  I have said this and we have talked about it here in many respects.
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  Politicians, at least as an observer of the country' s future and
• 1:27:39
  political and in general, there is a lot of improvisation about politics. In
• 1:27:43
  some respects there is a certain foresight, because if it would not be chaos,
• 1:27:46
  there is a certain sense of foresight, but we do not. For
• 1:27:49
  example, the theme of the famous desaladoras here, in Catalonia and in other
• 1:27:55
  parts of the State, of the hydrological plan, the water plan has also
• 1:28:00
  been postponed some what they wanted to activate later themselves. The last one that
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  deactivated it was Zapatero, which was all planned then and really that of the
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  after- bases. It is also a whole water policy, but it is
• 1:28:15
  the inter- community solidarity of the autonomous communities, because one of the things
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  we interdepend on is water. Right. The truth is that yes and it
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  is one of the issues that we lack long- term policies. As politicians
• 1:28:34
  have to come to the polls with a certain frequency, then that pressure of
• 1:28:43
  the ballot box is sometimes negative, not a good thing, because politicians have
• 1:28:46
  to endorse that they are still loved by the people, that they love them
• 1:28:50
  in that place and they do not want another. But it is true that
• 1:28:54
  this pushes short- term policies, to policies that are seen immediately. And
• 1:29:00
  these things aren' t seen because when you have to build those other bases,
• 1:29:06
  when you have to put those pipes, when you have to build those
• 1:29:12
  desalination plants, that' s when you don' t need to. That
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  ' s when we have the water. And it clearly says now I'
• 1:29:15
  m going to spend on something that is not necessary when I have such pressing
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  things. But of course, we in our country know that we have this
• 1:29:24
  problem and we know that the problem is going to go further in the future.
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  It will not go unless these droughts are going to be more and more
• 1:29:31
  frequent and longer. Therefore, not foreseeing is a guilty act. It is
• 1:29:38
  an act that, when we now encounter the drought situation, what we are
• 1:29:43
  seeing is that during the years where there was water, no one made foresight
• 1:29:46
  when we had the previous problem, the drought so great that there was in
• 1:29:51
  our country, that we were on the edge, then also everyone said something
• 1:29:57
  must be done. But when it started to rain, we didn' t
• 1:30:00
  focus on the short and medium term issues again, which are the ones that
• 1:30:04
  hit the elections. However, we are not rewarding those politicians who have a
• 1:30:10
  medium- and long- term vision and we should also be, as a
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  people, a little wiser, little more able to see who is doing policies
• 1:30:17
  in the medium and long term is solving the real problems, because the water
• 1:30:23
  problem is a real problem, and the water problem for irrigation, the water
• 1:30:27
  problem for cities, a water problem for the number one industry we have in
• 1:30:30
  Spain, which is tourism. So, of course, this requires that we
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  keep looking after him. People won' t keep coming to our country if
• 1:30:38
  we have water problems. People can' t swim in the pool They can
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  ' t take a shower where we have to take care of an industry that
• 1:30:46
  doesn' t just have the sun, but the infrastructure needs to be put
• 1:30:49
  in place to take advantage of it. Therefore, politicians who do not move
• 1:30:53
  just by what the last poll says, who takes out the newspaper, such
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  or that the Institute of Opinion is here, but politicians who move for the
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  needs of the country in the long term. The issue of water, water
• 1:31:08
  policy. In the first world we are talking about the first world we have.
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  Water is a problem, a problem that is becoming more acute and alternative
• 1:31:17
  systems, such as desolations and other systems, need to be invented or reinvented.
• 1:31:26
  But I really don' t tell you anything anymore. In the third
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  world, the issue of droughts and famines. The issue of water is also
• 1:31:35
  a global issue, it is a subject that produces many, many difficulties and
• 1:31:43
  many deaths due to droughts and famines by extension. So, of course we
• 1:31:49
  ' re in the first world. But if people start to despair with this,
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  for example, now we have a political quarrel here in our country,
• 1:31:59
  of all colors, well, but in a Cainite State, very very wild
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  that I don' t know this as who will stop it if they are
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  only once those of the right and other times they are those of the left,
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  then they alternate, come and do and in the end they do something
• 1:32:15
  very similar with one argument and another counterargument. But if you' re telling
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  me that we' re going to do good in Spain anything else, or
• 1:32:29
  in Catalonia or in the Basque Country. Now I hear a policy, but
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  people don' t care about that if I' m a wholesaler, if
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  I' m an independent, I mean look, don' t talk to
• 1:32:41
  me about this. Now tell me what I need. We' ll have
• 1:32:45
  another forum to talk about this and whatever you want, but I need to
• 1:32:47
  tell you now, as we say in Catalonia. I need solutions. Let
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  ' s say practice to my everyday problems. One of them is water,
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  because it seems like it' s kind of a mockery, because to say,
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  talking about the properties of fried egg or garlic soup, when I have
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  to have other priorities. It means it' s a wake- up call
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  to politicians. But in another version, we can transfer it to Spanish politics
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  in general. We' re talking about the sun, the moon, the
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  stars, the sex of the angels. While the Turks are invading constantinopla,
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  which was what was happening at the council of Constantinople, while they were defining,
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  among other things, how many angels were in the head of a pin.
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  So here the Turks mean the adverse circumstances, nor do we speak of
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  what we do not know. I don' t know if you agree with
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  me in this reflection. Yes, it is true that water has become an
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  economic good, that the economy is the science of the administration of scarce goods,
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  of goods that are not scarce. It is not necessary to make economy,
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  but water, which was a matter that no one cared about centuries ago,
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  was there simply water was like air today. If the air were to
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  begin to be of poor quality and unbreathable, the pure air would become an
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  economic good, well of which we would have to decide economies. This is
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  what' s happening with the water. It is said that part of the
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  wars of the future will not be for the possession of oil, but for
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  the possession of water. And we' re facing something that' s limited.
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  I' m also saying we took it for granted by the water.
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  Water is not taken for granted because with the climate change we are experiencing,
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  regions of the planet are becoming more sensitive. The Mediterranean basin, particularly in
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  Europe, is one of the most sensitive areas where there are areas of progressive
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  desertification. This is not something that is going to be in five hundred years
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  ' time, something that we are seeing because there is an acceleration of the
• 1:35:13
  rate at which desertification occurs in a very important climate change. Higher temperatures,
• 1:35:17
  higher water evaporation. I mean, it' s a whole series of less
• 1:35:23
  rain issues, and so on. And of course, we are seeing all
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  this in our day and it is necessary of the answers in our day.
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  When I speak long term, I am not referring to the generations of our
• 1:35:34
  grandchildren. I' m referring to the long term. In seven or eight
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  years we are now starting to build salt plants. The other day I heard
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  one of the desaladoras that are cuttering huge giant and said we will finish as
• 1:35:46
  fast as possible for two thousand twenty- eight, For two thousand twenty-
• 1:35:49
  eight, we can all be dead. So, that is, you could
• 1:35:53
  have all died of thirst water of one hundred and two thousand and twenty-
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  eight. It' s true. So, no, it' s not,
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  it' s not the target. The aim is that we should have
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  foreseen this, because it takes many years to build. And we have to
• 1:36:08
  build not just this one. We have to build those that we will need
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  in two thousand thirty, in two thousand thirty five, we have to start
• 1:36:14
  building them now. So, yes, definitely, we have politicians who care
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  about the basic needs of citizens who have to do with the day- to
• 1:36:26
  - day and that our politicians are at their ball. This is the feeling
• 1:36:31
  that gives me. The feeling that the elections in Catalonia, for example,
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  for the 12th of May, is a matter of a question of seeing which
• 1:36:42
  is the Nationalist Party that is going to be the dominant within the Independence Group.
• 1:36:51
  This is what is causing these elections. It is a struggle between two
• 1:36:57
  political parties that can no longer withstand the pressure of each other, and it
• 1:37:01
  has no choice but to call elections. And of course we are caught up
• 1:37:08
  in the partisan struggle of two parties such as Esquerra and Juns in Catalonia.
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  This is terrible, because we are how to say it, we are the
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  captives. We are not going to say the instrument that they are going to
• 1:37:24
  use to decide which party is the strongest, the one that is imposed within
• 1:37:30
  those dynamics. That is why the independent parties today feel that in many areas
• 1:37:35
  they lack ideology. The only thing that leads them to one side or the
• 1:37:41
  other is that it says one thing and the other needs to be differentiated.
• 1:37:45
  Since it needs to be differentiated, it has to promote policies, but they
• 1:37:48
  are no longer even right- wing or left- wing policies. They are
• 1:37:50
  no longer politics even for or against independence, if they are not simply to
• 1:37:54
  be distinguished and to be the one who dominates money within independence. But they
• 1:38:01
  are realizing that when they see, when they realize, they will no longer
• 1:38:05
  be majority in Catalonia, simply because they were doing so badly you? They
• 1:38:10
  ' re going to stop being majority in Catalonia is that there' s going
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  to be a vote of punishment, there' s going to be. I
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  have a good environment where I have to read about people who have had that
• 1:38:20
  political approach, but not what I think in a neutral way. I say
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  what my personal vote is, but I do it from a journalistic point of
• 1:38:31
  view. He tells me no. No. No. No. No.
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  There is a vow of punishment in honor. A vow of punishment and,
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  moreover, is reasonable. It is the common sense that imposes upon you then,
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  this is that and then the sense of anticipation. In so many things,
• 1:38:47
  there are so many social and citizen needs that you notice that it is
• 1:38:54
  first. I have said Members in general say they have commissions of some men
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  they have to do something, otherwise this would already be chaos, it would
• 1:39:02
  be the recaca already, but the end is total. But they have to
• 1:39:06
  do something. But the deputies, even the parliamentarians of Catalonia and the autonomous
• 1:39:14
  governments and above all at the national level, the Senate, no longer tell
• 1:39:17
  you anything that almost nothing comes and the lower house does not work except for
• 1:39:24
  mayors and councillors, who have a much more realistic approach to citizenship. Usually,
• 1:39:31
  a little more we have to attribute to them, because it is quite
• 1:39:35
  true. In general, the others, these people don' t, as
• 1:39:41
  they say, popularly don' t, work little and they charge a bonus
• 1:39:45
  for a commission to perceive or something and they don' t work. If
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  I were in the Congress of Deputies, I' d put a public outcry
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  on them because on top of that, we' re talking about the sun,
• 1:39:59
  the moon and the stars. Therefore, we need realities to be committed
• 1:40:03
  and we have a lot of issues in the country. That political improvisation thing.
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  I' m desperate, because you see a lot. In addition,
• 1:40:14
  apart from the lies of one another, they have convinced one thing these days.
• 1:40:19
  We are on parliamentary committees, Senate committees on corruption, committees in Congress
• 1:40:25
  on corruption and have really managed to convince us that everyone is really corrupt.
• 1:40:30
  This is, in the end, the conclusion it reaches. You say yes
• 1:40:34
  it' s true, you' re all right. Everyone else is short.
• 1:40:39
  What happens is that everyone wants to say no. Mine aren' t
• 1:40:42
  as corrupt as the others. It is not what we are discussing, but
• 1:40:45
  of course, the truth is that they are coming to convince us that we
• 1:40:49
  do not have the parliamentarians we wanted to take. Yes, it is true
• 1:40:54
  that there is a lack of sensitivities. We have desensitized towards corruption. Today
• 1:40:59
  there was also news that if the elections in Madrid were to be presented again
• 1:41:06
  at this time, it would bring back the absolute majority, that is to
• 1:41:13
  say, that we are so desensitized. We also do not know so clearly
• 1:41:19
  that our parliamentarians deceive us that in the end we take it for granted.
• 1:41:25
  It no longer has any electoral effect, because we are willing to vote corruptly.
• 1:41:30
  There is no choice but to vote corruptly. This is terrible when a
• 1:41:32
  party forgives, when a country gets used to having corrupt politicians, because then
• 1:41:40
  this does not only affect politicians, but affects the morale of a society.
• 1:41:45
  They are in a position of visibility, they are in a moralizing position.
• 1:41:49
  They have a moral duty, they have a moral duty to represent. What
• 1:41:54
  it is about being a Spanish, what it is about being a Catalan,
• 1:41:57
  what it means to be a Spanish. And of course, when they are
• 1:42:00
  corrupt, when they really and when the citizens end up not caring anymore,
• 1:42:04
  but we have to vote for someone and we vote for them as usual,
• 1:42:09
  because better the bad known than the good to know clau. This is terrible
• 1:42:13
  for a country because it means that we have not only a solution now,
• 1:42:17
  but a solution for the future. We' re voting people we know are
• 1:42:23
  corrupt and we don' t even care about knowing they' re corrupt anymore.
• 1:42:26
  This is terrible. This is no longer just that if you work more
• 1:42:30
  or work less. The problem is, whether they' re corrupt or not,
• 1:42:33
  they are corrupt, so of course this. This is going to get
• 1:42:36
  older, it' s going to get older. These would look like more
• 1:42:40
  work. That' s what' s interesting. Reflections and I was already
• 1:42:45
  thinking about the mystery of the suitcases, of those of the twenty famous suitcases
• 1:42:49
  of the Minister of Isy of Venezuela, when it came that to theÑorbalo
• 1:42:57
  It was the minister in turn, with all the day of elbow and all
• 1:43:00
  the. The issue of masks, corruption means that here, here, here
• 1:43:04
  there' s a whole underworld in politics behind the scenes when it comes out
• 1:43:12
  and what comes out of us you can' t imagine what comes out of
• 1:43:15
  us. The trapicheans you say hear, but what they were talking about apart
• 1:43:23
  from the subject of the soap opera and companionship and all the trapicheos and then
• 1:43:29
  you go somewhere else, you see other things, but I was thinking and
• 1:43:32
  what would be the mystery of the twenty suitcases and in a contradictory situation that
• 1:43:40
  there would be here and how and how it was, it was the worst
• 1:43:42
  moment. It was going through a critical situation, the Venezuelan dictatorship of Maduro
• 1:43:48
  and that could break, but notice, what would happen back there. If
• 1:43:55
  any journalist or give manages not to lie to us to discover the truth of
• 1:44:00
  the matter, there is a cat locked up here, then, but anyway,
• 1:44:06
  this is a maze of an intringulis that never ends. But the truth
• 1:44:11
  is, well, we need to. The bad thing about this is when
• 1:44:16
  there is a regenerationist movement, as it was at the time. Apparently we
• 1:44:21
  can then corrupted from also at the end and after other ways and went to
• 1:44:27
  extremes and good and was lost in the olympus with absurd banalities. Politically speaking,
• 1:44:34
  but at first it created expectations and then, even by citizens at their
• 1:44:42
  best, such not, but then they have succumbed to the system, that
• 1:44:47
  is, to those of the caste and criticized those of the caste, but
• 1:44:50
  they became caste. And then the danger of all this is whether a radical,
• 1:44:57
  but authoritarian, cross- cutting movement arises that can lead to an unwanted
• 1:45:03
  political situation that is happening in Europe right now. He believes that the extreme
• 1:45:12
  right through populism is spreading throughout Europe, not because of virtues of the extreme
• 1:45:16
  right itself, but because of defects in the democratic system. This is already
• 1:45:21
  spreading in countries where there are many years of performance, such as in France.
• 1:45:27
  France has a very powerful extreme right since the second match. In France,
• 1:45:31
  at this moment, then he thinks new developments that have occurred as in
• 1:45:38
  Portugal the last elections. Then the government has had to leave the extreme right
• 1:45:42
  party out, but with the complicity of the left, because by winning the
• 1:45:45
  right, the left has had to turn away so that the extreme right did
• 1:45:49
  not accede to the government. In Spain, the extreme right is normalizing.
• 1:45:55
  This is all populism. This is all some kind of nationalism that we should
• 1:46:00
  turn away from. That is the terrible aspect of nationalism. We have to
• 1:46:05
  think that we have experience in Spain. In Spain we have history worth and
• 1:46:11
  history what tells us is that the last coup d'état that triumphed in
• 1:46:15
  Spain one thousand nine hundred thirty- six was right- wing nationalism Nation Nine
• 1:46:21
  right- wing populist nationalism. At that time there was no talk of populism.
• 1:46:25
  We were at another time talking about protofascism, or traditionalism, etcetera.
• 1:46:30
  That is the correct language for that time. But what is happening today in
• 1:46:34
  many nations of the world, the United States, with Trump, but is
• 1:46:39
  that there are elections to the European Parliament or challenge the day after the European
• 1:46:45
  Parliament elections can be the ultra- right, the most voted party in Europe.
• 1:46:53
  We are facing this situation, because it has grown throughout Europe. Before
• 1:46:58
  there was here, but today that vote is everywhere. And that in part
• 1:47:03
  of what it marks is a failure of the parliamentary system that is not managing
• 1:47:10
  to respond to the needs of the people. And then populism comes to defend
• 1:47:15
  us the people. And we the people, because of course they rise before
• 1:47:19
  a caste system, a system that does not understand what are the situations that
• 1:47:24
  concern the population, that gives us answers to the sun to the needs of
• 1:47:28
  the population And then the evil arises, because there is a rise of evil.
• 1:47:33
  And this, but let' s see or challenge the day after the
• 1:47:38
  election. Well, well, that' s worrying. But then we'
• 1:47:42
  ll see that the ultra- left is so dangerous. It also happens that
• 1:47:45
  it is masked with one of its pseudo progress superse and so on, but
• 1:47:51
  look last episode, the only yes, is yes, the fiasco, where
• 1:47:56
  it is still favoring characters than Dani Alves and others and others who have committed
• 1:48:02
  very serious crimes and so many others who have come out. It already means,
• 1:48:08
  and with a kind of presumption, that we are the saviors of the
• 1:48:14
  homeland in a free version, but it means that at the extremes and we
• 1:48:19
  are surrounded by dangers and then a combination between the social democracy and the civilized
• 1:48:30
  right. It seems to be impossible here in Spain, in Germany it has
• 1:48:34
  not been so and in some countries, also in the Netherlands at some point
• 1:48:39
  and elsewhere. But I mean, we can' t stand each other easily,
• 1:48:45
  too. But it is good that God will never help us better then,
• 1:48:51
  and we need policies. We' re going to call broad- spectrum
• 1:48:57
  policies, because ultra- left and ultra- right policies are short- spectrum
• 1:49:00
  policies. They are not for the entire population, but in some way they
• 1:49:05
  are for very extreme sections of the population. Notice that the success of ultra
• 1:49:13
  - left policies is not being very broad, just as the ultra- right
• 1:49:17
  is succeeding in Europe. It' s becoming a very big, very big
• 1:49:23
  movement. On the other hand, the ultra- left is being very small.
• 1:49:28
  At some point, Cinizza, in Greece seemed to have some possibility,
• 1:49:31
  but frankly it is being swept away from all over Europe, perhaps less from
• 1:49:38
  Spain and in very few other countries. But, on the other hand,
• 1:49:41
  the risk of the ultra- right, if it' s great, if
• 1:49:45
  it' s true, if it' s for right now and we have
• 1:49:46
  to keep a close eye on it. Yes, yes, well, there
• 1:49:49
  are so many things to talk about that I say God help us, because
• 1:49:56
  God another thing about the shortcomings of European politics is yes, the denominationality of
• 1:50:02
  the states and all that. But indeed secularization has eradicated God from our collective
• 1:50:09
  projects. To God divinity, Christianity in its best version, in Christianity in
• 1:50:17
  religious version, versus religious, but in its best version, which is Christ.
• 1:50:27
  Sure, that all sounds self- pity to magic legend. For some
• 1:50:32
  past historical episodes also undesirable. But it turns out that God’ s absence
• 1:50:42
  in the daily life, in the lives of our peoples, is beginning to
• 1:50:48
  feel true and feels very much. The problem is that we had Christendom in
• 1:50:57
  some parts of Europe, but we did not have Christianity in Europe. In
• 1:51:00
  Spain, for example, it was a country where everyone was Catholic. I
• 1:51:04
  remember statistics back ninety- nine comma nine percent of Catholics in the country.
• 1:51:11
  No And then it turns out that there were really no believers, there were
• 1:51:15
  Catholics, but there were no believers. And here' s the problem.
• 1:51:17
  When this has ceased to have prestige, when it has ceased to be the
• 1:51:21
  central lane of society, when the central lane is occupied by other ideologies and
• 1:51:27
  people are moving to these ideologies. Now we realize that Christians are very few
• 1:51:31
  in society, that Spain was not really Christian. Spain has been a country
• 1:51:36
  where religion has been imposed. But religion has never been proposed. There has
• 1:51:43
  never been any attempt to convince people that they have always tried to impose and
• 1:51:46
  clearly when you impose on one generation after another, a regulation that they have
• 1:51:51
  to accept. Yes or yes, like it or not, because this is
• 1:51:54
  what causes a very strong reaction. Instead, we have other models of Christianity.
• 1:52:00
  Not all of Europe has been like Spain to us that Spain has very
• 1:52:04
  little religious culture, very little, very little even when people who go to
• 1:52:09
  the Easter professions ask what carambas are celebrating there. They know that step,
• 1:52:14
  they know that other one too, and they don' t know what the
• 1:52:18
  meaning of what they' re carrying on their shoulders, some of them,
• 1:52:23
  or what they' re singing celebrating. It is not a country deeply uncultivated
• 1:52:26
  in terms of religion, because religious culture has never been practiced, people have
• 1:52:30
  never been taught the contents. Before, at least sacred history was taught.
• 1:52:36
  You remember that the schools studied sacred history. Yesterday I had a student in
• 1:52:42
  a course I was giving is that I, I had memorized the sacred story.
• 1:52:46
  I liked sacred history. But the first time I entered a church and
• 1:52:50
  someone preached about the Old Testament of Coup to discover that all that had a
• 1:52:56
  huge message. This is what they have not explained to the Spaniards that the
• 1:53:00
  old and the new Testament have great content and is not only sacred history.
• 1:53:05
  They are not the only comics from the past of nomadic shepherds there are in
• 1:53:11
  the Middle East, but it has to do with life today. These are
• 1:53:15
  stories that have no meaning to us, and that is what has produced the
• 1:53:19
  most advanced Europe, because the Europe of reform. The Europe that understood the
• 1:53:25
  scriptures, the Europe that brought the scriptures to day to day, that Europe
• 1:53:30
  of day to day. What it produced was a reform that was not only
• 1:53:34
  a religious reform, but a reform in the cultural field, in the field
• 1:53:40
  of law. It had an impact on medicine, on nursing, it had
• 1:53:45
  an impact on all areas of knowledge. That Europe to which everyone wants to
• 1:53:49
  come was not formed by the Christian. It was really formed by Christians who
• 1:53:55
  took seriously what the scripture said, who led to day- to- day
• 1:53:59
  practice and who changed the way they did, that is, democratic regimes.
• 1:54:04
  Liberal democracy is a democracy created in countries where there was a very important substrate
• 1:54:12
  of Christianity. That' s why sometimes they have to import it into Muslim
• 1:54:16
  countries and it doesn' t work. Why, because there is no substrate,
• 1:54:19
  because people do not have a substrate that allows them to establish a democracy.
• 1:54:25
  In all Muslim countries, all Muslim- majority countries, democracies are fragile,
• 1:54:30
  democracies are weak. Democracies leave much to be desired, understanding that ours
• 1:54:36
  too leaves much to be desired. But democratic regimes in countries where Christianity has
• 1:54:42
  been strong are not comparable to those in countries where Christianity has been weak.
• 1:54:46
  All the countries where Christianity has been taken seriously, where there has been reform,
• 1:54:50
  are countries where today they preside over respect for human rights, respect for
• 1:54:56
  the place of women, respect for all the collectives of society, even with
• 1:55:00
  which we do not agree. Respect for all of them, because tolerance can
• 1:55:05
  only be established with those you disagree with and are deeply tolerant regimes. I
• 1:55:13
  am talking, for example, about Britain, Sweden, Norway, Finland,
• 1:55:16
  Denmark, Germany, Iceland and in short, all of these have had a
• 1:55:21
  very strong impact on the Swiss reform, for example, and all of these
• 1:55:26
  regimes are today leading freedoms in the world, for taking seriously what the scriptures
• 1:55:31
  say, things that we have never had contact with the writers of the Spanish
• 1:55:35
  people. He' s never had contact with the scriptures. He has had
• 1:55:41
  in touch with religion, but not with the scriptures which is what affects in
• 1:55:46
  a transformational way the life of Martin Luther, that Augustinian monk who read was
• 1:55:53
  professor of New Testament Chair and reading and rereading the New Testament and the Letter
• 1:56:00
  to the Romans, when it seemed that he was always rhetorical. But one
• 1:56:04
  day later justified by faith, not by moral works. We are unable to
• 1:56:13
  pay God what is justified, for by faith in Jesus, of course,
• 1:56:17
  we can have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. So, when
• 1:56:23
  that opens your eyes and says well, this first gives you the need to
• 1:56:26
  find yourself in the state of saying I' m morally lost. Yes,
• 1:56:30
  I believe that God is somewhere, that God has expressed Himself in Christ,
• 1:56:32
  and but that I am lost and I recognize that I am in fault with
• 1:56:40
  God and then I ask God for forgiveness. I sincerely reconcile. I experience
• 1:56:45
  a conversion and that produces a total catharsis. That' s what happened in
• 1:56:50
  the protest reform. That was the message. It was then politicized by several
• 1:56:58
  political crosses in Europe. But the messenger was a transformational message and from there
• 1:57:05
  on out. Now we are going to have an interview shortly with José Luis
• 1:57:10
  Carrol Rovira about Protestantism in Europe. Next month we have an interview in the
• 1:57:15
  train of life, and it is the transformation, the paradigm of not only
• 1:57:23
  progress, of the advance of the modern age and to enter into what is
• 1:57:30
  rebirth, in the convergence that there was, but even the message of deliberation
• 1:57:35
  through the encounter with God, that changes, totally changes the human projection.
• 1:57:44
  I mean, we can talk a lot about this. Truth calls And there
• 1:57:47
  ' s room because this has then continued to have an impact. For example,
• 1:57:50
  a character like Roger Williams, who I love. Roger Williams is a
• 1:57:56
  believer, solid, profound theologian and he is the founder of the first lay
• 1:58:01
  state, the first state where it was not necessary to belong to a particular
• 1:58:09
  religion to have all civil rights. He forms what is called the Providence Plantation,
• 1:58:14
  which will then be the state of Rhode Island in the United States,
• 1:58:17
  and then his theses are those that pass to the American Constitution, one of
• 1:58:21
  the most democratic constitutions in the world. The world' s first truly democratic
• 1:58:28
  constitution a hundred years before the French Revolution. Then I was thinking of another
• 1:58:32
  Martin Luttero in Martin Luther King who leads the entire human rights movement for liberation,
• 1:58:38
  for the equalization of racial minorities in the United States. Of course,
• 1:58:45
  all this is having an impact throughout history. This has a great impact also
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  in South Africa on the completion of the departure of people like desmont Tou Tou.
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  All these people have a deep biblical conviction. It is their p o
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  ns biblical conviction that leads them to dismantle dictatorial regimes, to promote equality among
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  people. Of course, then this continues to provoke us. It' s
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  one thing that happened five hundred years ago. We are five hundred years from
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  the beginning of reform, not reform. The reform remains in place today and
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  continues to have an impact today. But that is why it is very important
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  for us to realize that if something has transformed Europe and transformed it systematically,
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  revivals in Wales, revivals elsewhere in Europe, very important, revivals and elsewhere
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  in the world, in every environment in Latin America, Korea, in short,
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  outbreaks of biblical Christianity throughout the world, which have transformed societies, that
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  is, power, the greatest transformative power in fixed society. Compare with another
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  phenomenon, compare with the effect of Marxism, which also promised immense transformations of
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  societies. Look at societies where there is an impact of Marxism and how they
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  have tried to get it off of it, because this was something that produced
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  the opposite of what I had promised. He promised liberation and only produced slavery.
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  Instead, Christianity promises liberation and frees people from their mothers. Of course
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  all this has to be turned around. We have to think in terms of
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  history, because if we did not think in terms of what has happened over
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  the last five hundred years, we cannot understand why the world is like this
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  today. Yes, yes, interesting reflections already before dismissing this interview to one
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  of the works of the biblical groups of graduates of GVGGBU, also that you
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  direct as national director, and also the talks manual and I want to appeal
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  to that because we are interested. I' m interested in this. I
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  believe that Christians committed to the truth, the truth of everything, the truth
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  of God, but the truth in the things of life, we would also
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  like the truth in politics so corrupt, with as much lie as there they
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  had, would come out almost all the Members with the noses of pinocho there
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  to speak. But the reality is that the Christian at work is a very
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  interesting subject. Not we have thought that to reach other people with the Gospel
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  message, which changes lives, which has a wonderful redeeming power and so necessary,
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  but that we have had to go do all kinds of systems to hear
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  somewhere. But it turns out that we have a field of mission to Christians
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  that does not have to go unnoticed and is our center of work, not
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  only for our personal integrity in ethics, in the way we are natural,
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  but to be genuine true believers, confessors, as well as convicts in Christ.
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  Also the subject of all that is our professional work performance with the values
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  of faith And in a moment intentionally when there is a situation of a friendly
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  dialogue, is to tell people and you know what happened to me, I
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  want that testimony can also happen to you. It gets out of hand,
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  forgets us, we are not assuming it, because the Christian at work does
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  not take advantage. It is where we spend much of our life, exactly
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  where we spend more than half of our life. Wake up. We'
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  re going to spend between eighty zero and ninety zero hours working in life.
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  But that' s only in paid work, because then there' s the
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  rest of the jobs, because not only is paid work, but what we
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  do at home, what we do in associations, volunteerism, family care,
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  that' s all work. That environment is the environment we are in.
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  God has entrusted it to us Sometimes we talk about the first great Commission.
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  The first great Commission is not the one that Jesus entrusted to us at the
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  end of the Gospel to kill which is normally the one. The first is
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  when he made us human beings on the first page of the Bible Genesis,
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  chapter one, And there in verses twenty- six to twenty- eight,
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  God tells us to reproduce, multiply fill the earth or judge it and clear
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  how this is done. This is done through our daily work. Then we
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  have been sent to that mission, to the mission of working, the mission
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  of making this world a place where one can inhabit. And the now that
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  we are there, which is the place where God has sent us people,
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  is all day long wondering where God wants me to go, what I have
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  to do, and God answers us where I have put you. You'
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  re in this position, not because the head of administration or the head of
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  human resources or the head of the company hired you. That' s not
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  why you' re there. You' re there because God sent you to
• 2:04:15
  that place. You are the person sent by God to bring the gospel in
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  the sense of transforming reality, of making reality transformed for good. Then you
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  are the one sent there for this and then we receive the second great commission
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  to go and make disciples in the place where God has sent us. And
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  of course, we all spent that lot of hours in our workplaces. We
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  have a natural contact with people. We are there to bless, bless our
• 2:04:44
  businesses with our work, bless our customers, bless our suppliers, bless our
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  co- workers. That is the choice, that is, God has sent
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  us to bless, to do well where we are, to transform. Any
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  picture of evil that is seen, any expression of evil that is seen we
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  have to manage to make companies that serve the purpose for which they were created
• 2:05:08
  in the companies. They' re not alone to win well. They have
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  to make money. It is not wrong to make money, but it is
• 2:05:15
  not only the only objective, but with that objective, with what our companies
• 2:05:18
  produce, people can live. People can live better with the services we produce,
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  with the goods we make, with the products of the field we produce.
• 2:05:29
  All this is meant to make people live better. Therefore, when we
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  do this, we are fulfilling God’ s goal of making it possible to
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  live on earth. And this has an impact on the lives of people watching
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  us. People are watching Christians think, ask us if we have practical solutions
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  to the situations in which we all live today and if we do, the
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  truth is that we do. We are living them many times, but sometimes
• 2:05:59
  we live them in silence. And what we have to do is bless people
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  by telling them what the experience is, how Christ has intervened in our lives,
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  how Cresto has changed. For good, the environment we work in was
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  thinking good. In the New Testament there are many, many allusions. The
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  apostle Paul himself, who is the great developer of Christian doctrine, for the
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  founder of the first Christian Eurasia communities that set the tone and have been recorded
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  in the New Testament, gives instructions on the moral, and spiritual, ethical
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  life of Christian communities, of believers in Christ, but he gives instructions on
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  life, on the ethics of work, on the family, on social relations,
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  even political of time and such and which is very practical in that.
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  But then I was remembering that man who was mad not and that Jesus,
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  the madman who went mad, that Jesus miraculously healed and because he was totally
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  alive in the tombs and was totally gone. But when he heals him and
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  that man returns to serenity, he recovers the sanity and clear that the man
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  says so I want to follow. To this man, this man has changed
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  my life and he tells you no b and tell yours how great things God
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  has done to you and this man was a neighbor of Decapolis, a group
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  of ten towns, and he began there to tell his people in the daily
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  life. Work is the daily life. So, let' s not miss
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  opportunities and by the way, I think there are even manuals and workshops and
• 2:07:45
  seminars that you are teaching and have made true from GVU GBG very interesting materials,
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  such as a material that comes from the London Institute Ford Contemporary Cristianit and
• 2:07:59
  the one that founded made in stot that is called transform your work, which
• 2:08:05
  is a manual on eight lessons that last for a year. The meeting is
• 2:08:09
  for small groups every month and a half. So there is a meeting and
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  then they can organize in their churches and have groups transform your work in the
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  church to make believers think what the world could be like, how it could
• 2:08:24
  be the reality if we were present in the place where we work, how
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  we could take advantage of it Recently we just published another one called integrated,
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  also for small groups that one can organize in his church. With that material
• 2:08:39
  everything is ready, they all have a support in videos and the videos are
• 2:08:45
  free, you can even watch them. They are inside a web page called
• 2:08:48
  Church at work point or Church at work RG and is transforming your work and
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  integrating and you can watch videos. All materials to be able to work.
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  The leader' s manual to be able to lead the discussions of the manual
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  group for the participant as well And that, then, serves mainly to make
• 2:09:13
  an integration between my faith and the reality of day- to- day life
• 2:09:16
  that I live in my workplace, in society, in the world of politics.
• 2:09:20
  How I integrate these two realities so that they are not two separate realities.
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  And well, because we have a job there we' re also going
• 2:09:31
  to have our annual congress from December 5 to 8, this year, it
• 2:09:37
  ' s going to be in Malaga. For the first time we are going
• 2:09:39
  to move to the south and we are going to have a congress on the
• 2:09:45
  Christian professional and personal relationships, such as establishing fruitful personal relationships. As Christian
• 2:09:50
  professionals, then we are working on many jobs such as helping young professionals who
• 2:09:54
  finish college and begin the university world. That' s what we call the
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  transit project. There are groups in several places in Spain for those who are
• 2:10:07
  leaving the university integrating as professionals, professional groups of psychology law, of company,
• 2:10:13
  of directors in order to doctors, nurses right of everything. There are
• 2:10:20
  professed groups. We are generating new groups of university professors, communicators, social
• 2:10:26
  workers, etc, so that all of them, also in their specific field,
• 2:10:31
  in their profession, can try to bring about transformation through their own work.
• 2:10:37
  Those more things, but I don' t want to happen but just
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  tell you a little bit about what work is what' s interesting? Thank
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  you. Thanks also for that advance and for that provision, also through the
• 2:10:48
  groups of GVG and GBU and all that material, even generously. But there
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  is also if you want direct information and to the lecture given to talks that
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  Yauma himself and his team give in workshops in local churches or in groups of
• 2:11:07
  churches or leaders of evangelical churches, because you shake to the truth page of
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  GBU in GVG and request this type of lectures of how to talk to address
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  there malllenas, because you can do it from there with the relevant emails and
• 2:11:26
  contacts, because there you are headed toponen contact on the GBU website and you
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  can contact us. There is what is called a team of trainers of faith
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  and work, that is a team of trainers that is in various places in
• 2:11:43
  Spain and that they can give talks in any church. And so there'
• 2:11:48
  s a good group. I myself am part of that group of faith and
• 2:11:52
  work trainers and we can come and give a talk in your church, in
• 2:11:56
  your association, anywhere, so that we can see work as something that is
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  your place of ministry. Thank you very much, Ya well, because for
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  me it is always a real pleasure and I believe that for our audience too
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  or listen to you and share this half trip, that time, that let
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  ' s say between seasons of life, because that little time that accompanies us
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  is always memorable. Therefore, thank you very much, dear Jauma, you
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  are a pleasure to be with the listeners once again and always willing to go
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  forward. Thank you for a hug all the time. Bye- bye all
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  the time. When I got out of the way, I got away from
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  you and it was so many questions my coransor asked me. At what point
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  along the way I stood I felt that I could not and I left you
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  and it was that so many words listened to me already your preres hr that
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  away from you and egg without explanation. I egg today running towards your phrases.
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  I beat you to your hamor egg, still satin me new, embrace
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  me your words. Then I' ll come back. At what time he
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  also believed that you gave up and left me, and I didn' t
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  count on your grace that and not my coranson. At what point along the
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  way I stood up I felt that I could not see you that and it
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  was plants the palantas. I heard it already your writing that left egg without
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  explanation. Egg I run towards your arms, I beat your love or absent.
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  Egg, I love your words. Fire here to my heart. I
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  can vote egg if I explain egg I run towards your arms, I hit
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  your bamboo see in your quiet. I play here in my heart. I
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  play until he comes closer than ever today. We invite you to the second
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  edition of this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole Body of Christ in Spain and
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  Europe, which will take place from 26 to 28 April at the Fira de
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  Reus, Tarragona. The international speakers Mariano Senewal, Benjamin Núñez and Marcos Brunet
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  until he comes. Until he comes, all that pruning sprinkles your home before
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  your glory and lowness and plotting well and every eye will see you traveling on
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  the train of life. We' re at Dr Rocca' s office on
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  the direct line. We have finally arrived with the desire to speak with him
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  there in his office America, here in the metropolitan area of barzona very close
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  to the city of the capital in Sardañola, on Red Cross Avenue, number
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  one, in a very central medical center. Sun there is our friend,
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  Dr Roca, who is our medical advisor and, in addition to other nuances
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  that speaks to us and we want to talk to him about the different pathologies
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  of blood, some of them, of course it is infinite and a little
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  morphologically, what is the component of blood so that we are aware of the
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  blood that tells us blood when according to how it is. No good,
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  well here we go good morning, dear friend, Doctor Roca Hello, good
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  morning, dear Julio, good day of audience the Dotor Roca. Something vital
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  in the human body is blood how much, how many liters of blood each
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  human being has in his body. Well, it depends on the size.
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  From the average it is calculated between four and six liters, but go is
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  something relative. Logically, there are huge people, there are little ones and
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  the blood is also proportional to the volume, but well, there are more
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  or less stops and work. It' s funny that if we lose the
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  blood, we lose our lives, because the blood the life of the flesh.
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  As the Old Testament says, in the blood it is in the sense
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  that blood what a mystery, which could be something else, but the blood
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  we take for granted, because it runs through our veins and has a What
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  are the morphological components of the blood. So well, the blood is composed
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  of several corpuscles or cells. Some of them are complete cells because they have
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  their core. Other ceudas, because they are incomplete because they have lost in
• 2:20:45
  their production process. It' s their core, so there' s only
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  what it is. The cytoplasm and membrane, which are red blood cells,
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  in which white blood cells are whole cells, have their nucleus and then have
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  fragments, which are platelets. They' re cell fragments. And these platelets,
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  you know, have the function of hemostasis. They are the bricks that
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  the body will use when there is a loss of blood, immediately they will
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  adhere to the edges of the wound to repair, to cut that hemodaje in
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  an effective way. White blood cells. At the same time there are different,
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  different kinds. We have to differentiate them by their shape, by their
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  size, but fundamentally by their function, since there are a variety of functions
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  within these feudas that are highly specialized, from some that will secrete immunoglobulins others
• 2:21:43
  that will proceed to attack foreign bodies, bacteria, viruses. That is to
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  say, we will have a fundamental part of the immomentary system of the human
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  being there. Apart from that, because, you say good is this and
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  there is no longer the blood that contains proteins, it contains proteins that many
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  of them are transporters of substances without which, without these prophecies that are acquired
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  from certain substances, because those substances are aggressive and could not be transported by
• 2:22:18
  the blood stream nor cause harm. So they' re going to transport them
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  and they' re going to get that substance that' s needed. The
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  other point, how it can be a mineral, a metal, etcetera,
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  because it gets to its site and can do its function. Blood, your
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  honor, is a tissue, let' s say tissue. People say liquid,
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  but it really is a tissue, a surprising living tissue, like a
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  number of functions that even the sciences century ixuno continue to discover more and more
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  things about blood, what things I clear every time I think we save the
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  human body. It is something prodigious, the blood that is vital, because
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  if we bleed out, we die and, by the way, we take
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  the opportunity to appeal to all our audiences in so many cities that we can
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  generously collaborate with the blood banks, which always need a lot to care for
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  hospitals are oversaturated and blood transfusions are very necessary. Healthy blood. Of course,
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  the fact is that you see this as blood, which is a tissue,
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  vital fluid, but it is as if you see the eye, the
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  human eye with those faculties, or the ear or speech, the ability to
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  speak. I mean, we' re amazing. This is an engineering,
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  extraordinary divine engineering, Our truth, the rock, the truth is that it
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  is the human being, the human body, any living being, but let
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  us say as the culmination of God' s creation, the human being is
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  the wonder of wonders. And the more we know him, the more we
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  are amazed. And, well, day by day we are seeing new functions
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  in the blood of organs, in the brain, which for me is one
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  of the passions in understanding something, knowing, something more of the mind,
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  of the human mind, of the human brain, which is extraordinary in functions
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  and still so ignoble, so ignored, so unknown. But it is true
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  the idea that there is in some that we are the product of random chance
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  in time and space. Well, it is implausible, not only in mathematicians,
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  demonstrable by the theory of probabilities, but also by the special intelligence of
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  design so ingenious in all its mechanisms. Hence I believe that glory is to
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  him, because no one can really be amazed or look out at with the
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  slightest possibility of imitating God' s creation in the remotest place. That'
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  s right. We demand this with a loud public voice, because it is
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  a truth. It' s a clamoring, clamoring truth, dotro rock.
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  Different pathologies of human blood, but of course, there are many, but
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  what are the good times. We have, of course, when you suffer
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  from anemia or other diseases, a little more serious of a cancerous nature,
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  leukemia or something like that, but the most common ones which are good.
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  The truth. The truth is that there are a multitude of pathologies and thalitums
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  commented before how blood in turn has different cell formations. Each of them can
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  develop and develop, unfortunately, different diseases, as you said. Well,
• 2:26:18
  leukocytes can develop different pathologies from a lack, a lack, an ideficit of
• 2:26:26
  unitary system due to a decrease of eukocytes in one of their series or the
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  opposite, an increase in cancerous level and really, because to have a cancer
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  in the blood, which are the typical leukaemias, that also at the same
• 2:26:41
  time there are different leukaemias, the haechudas, the chronic ones, that is,
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  a whole field that is, unfortunately, because we see occasionally and that
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  we have to refer hematology to the specialists at hospital level, because they require,
• 2:27:01
  after expensive and very specialized complexes and sometimes with impressive expenses, in order
• 2:27:09
  to be able to carry out that patient and give him a survival. For
• 2:27:13
  many years or even to normalize your state of life. That in the white
• 2:27:18
  series, in the red series, as you said, we can also have
• 2:27:24
  different pathologies. The one you mentioned is one of the most frequent girls.
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  Anemia is a Greek term. You know what I think means is not Greek
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  denial and then it' s like we' re saying anemia that there'
• 2:27:41
  s no blood. It' s not really that there' s no blood.
• 2:27:43
  What happens is that the oxygen transporter protein, which is hemoglobin, is
• 2:27:48
  low and when it descends below a few values, the subject of oxygenation and
• 2:27:56
  the removal of detritus, monoxide, carbon and ugly two of the organism,
• 2:28:01
  as it is seen, is altered and then the aniñas can be due to
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  lack of iron, due to lack of vitamin b twelve, due to lack
• 2:28:11
  of pitofolic, because of a problem of the marrow where the blood is going
• 2:28:15
  to form. That is, we can find many problems of formation, red
• 2:28:22
  blood cells or also of loss. There may be a loss in the intestine
• 2:28:26
  if it is a woman, because she has a thick monthly bleeding, a
• 2:28:31
  hiter meno rea, a metrorrhagia. And so, then, also this woman,
• 2:28:37
  because she will have problems secondary to her anemia, with her tiredness,
• 2:28:41
  with her headaches, with her nervousness, with her depressed cases, and so
• 2:28:48
  on. And also platelets that, although we do not consider a series because
• 2:28:52
  they are cellular fragments. But also platelets can either by low or by excess,
• 2:28:58
  also generate a pathology granules. There may also be the famous emiavera policy
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  which is the excess of red dobules and which will also give, as a
• 2:29:11
  series of problems. It is an exciting and complex subject. In fact,
• 2:29:15
  it' s a medical specialty to treat the blood shafts, because doctors say
• 2:29:22
  first- line, which is where we' re exercising, because we'
• 2:29:26
  re going to treat the frequent and the ones that are can be treated on
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  an outpatient basis, but there are others that aren' t. Others.
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  The patient must be referred to ultra- specialised hospital services, for better diagnosis,
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  for optimal caramba treatment. How many things, how much complexity, how
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  much prourity. But real is that we see them there from the part the
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  amazement of this part of the human being or this organic part, in what
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  has told us of other rock tissues, liquids in this case like the blood
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  component and some of the most frequent pathologies that there is, evidently, the
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  hematology and other special ones are dedicated to dealing with all these issues. But
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  speaking here, there is the paradox, the great Paradoxala, the blood of
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  Jesus, of Jesus, of Nazareth, of Jesus Christ, the son of
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  God, the God who became man, the blood of Jesus, who was
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  shed on the Cross in thirst for blood to the last drop of his blood.
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  Morphologically, it was blood just like ours. But there is a special
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  virtue in that blood, as an extraordinary power. In that blood you can
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  also talk to us as a theologian about this, which is also one of
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  your conditions. Theologian and pastor, well notice, there is a mystery,
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  not a mystery something we can only know if God reveals it. Science does
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  not reach even human understanding there. And that mystery is to try, to
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  understand, to try, because we cannot understand it that a person is completely
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  man and completely God and, at the same time, that he can exercise
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  in these two roles. We know that Christ has these properties. This is
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  all coming from a very old age. We have to go back to the
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  Book of Genesis, several thousand years ago, when God creates the human being
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  and puts him in an idyllic condition and then that man whom he calls Adam
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  to give his own name, but he is also the name of the species.
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  In a sense, we are all Adam, because we are all descendants
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  of the first man. That first man commits disobedience. We do not know
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  how long he was living in right order with God. It is possible that
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  he lived many, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of years. We don'
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  t have an idea. Nor does the Bible explain us. But, well,
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  there comes a time when man disobeys and then, from that moment on,
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  man fails. God has given him, he had given him some responsibilities,
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  because God is sovereign, but man is responsible. And then the man
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  fails. And, well, it' s all coming, the whole plan
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  is coming apart. God had a project for Adam and for the species that
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  we are, which we derived from the first man. But that project comes
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  down at the very moment when man sins God surde was a second plan,
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  plan b a plan of urgency, if we can say so, so it
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  is the salvation of his creation, of his creature, of his adan and
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  what is necessary to be able to satisfy the justice of God, because God
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  is love, that tells us to turn away the Book of Gras and,
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  in a very special way, the Apostle John and his first Letter. But
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  it is also true that God is justice and God cannot live with sin,
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  with man' s disobedience. So how' s that gonna work out?
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  Okay. The only way to solve that is by eliminating man. Okay,
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  but if he eliminates man, the creation is over. So, God has
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  to incarnate. Jesus Christ incarnates in a man, in a perfect man,
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  the man without blemish, the name without sin, and he gives his life
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  for you, for me and for each one of us who have trusted and
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  believe in that salvation, by the blood of Christ shed by the Cross of
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  Calvary. He took my place, He took your place. And then it
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  ' s life in the blood itself. As you said quite rightly, life
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  is taken away. Already this is already prophesied also in the book of the
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  prophet Daniel that he should be killed by pestilence and in a lot of places
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  in Isaiah, in the Psalms. We see that this is something that was
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  already prophesied hundreds of years before it happened. And now we look back and
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  hundreds of years ago it happened. But all the sacrifices that the people of
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  Israel made for hundreds of years, sacrificing cows, oxen, sheep, stick,
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  dumber, etcetera, were symbols of the precious blood of Christ, which
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  is the only blood that really satisfies God' s righteousness. And, well,
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  that' s already happened and it' s not magic. The magic
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  thing people know about, either think about Harry Potter, or think about the
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  Crystal ball. This isn' t magic. It' s God' s
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  justice. The righteousness of God is ready to be satisfied, because Christ shed
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  His blood Calvary, being perfect, being righteous for sinners of whom, as
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  Paul says, good says he is the first. I' m gonna let
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  him exercise. I' ll take the second one. Psychics, but we
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  are all sinners and we all have to embrace ourselves if we want to continue
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  to live in harmony with God, this precious blood of Christ, because by
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  being washed, being washed in that blood, we are regenerated. God creates
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  in every believer the new heart and you know the, for example, King
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  Nabucodus not sun in chapter four of Daniel, who at the end of that
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  chapter, he recognizes God after a period of madness and a period of mental
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  alienation, and finally ends up recognizing God, and God puts in him,
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  says the scripture a heart of flesh, a sensitive heart, which is the
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  Holy Spirit, of the Holy Spirit that dies and each of the believers And
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  what makes us alive because we are sanctified by this blood of Christ, we
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  are saved and we have assurance notice. This is very strong. He'
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  s not up to me. If it were up to me, there would
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  be no chance. I' m sure. It depends on God and his
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  promise. He promises eternal life to all those who are in Christ, to
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  all those who have done again by faith in the work of Jesus. Well,
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  a perfect explanation and what a paradox one thing with the other. He
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  who committed no sin, as the scripture says for us, became sin so
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  that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. This, of
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  course, has a theological depth as well, but it is true. What
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  a great mystery that, through the virtue in the blood of Jesus, cleanses
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  the soul and forgives sins. This is something extraordinary and we experience it modestly.
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  How many years already, eh and what joy. And I tell you
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  that you and I are from the same fifth, as if it were before
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  yesterday, as if it were before yesterday, uh, yes, I feel
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  dear Julio, we have been following the Lord without interruption for forty and many
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  years. This is one if you' ll allow me to be proud of
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  something. I am proud of this, not that I am a good person
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  but that God is faithful to me every day and that every day God has
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  some lesson to teach me. You say well, forty- something years old,
• 2:37:37
  no more you used to, for look not yet. No. The
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  Holy Spirit continues to work in my life and continues to seek my dependence on
• 2:37:46
  him as well as on you I say, friend who listens to me,
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  God asks for your dependence on him, Not that we are pimps, that
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  we are intelligent, that we are skilled, that we are rich, that
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  we are powerful, because the only wise, intelligent and powerful is God.
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  In others, vanity of vanities, as Solomon said, all vanity and our
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  days are numbered and who can add, as Christ says, one day,
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  one hour. I was like a doctor, just a minute. When God
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  calls look, we can' t do anything but go. There' s
• 2:38:26
  no alternative. And God is the one who holds the key to life and
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  death, and he tells us to choose life, to choose me April will
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  be, will be given in abundance and many people ignore him and by ignoring
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  him or mission erect death. It is regrettable, dear July, that,
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  having the possibility of having a harmonious life with God, as it was in
• 2:38:52
  the beginning, people choose to turn away from God, to live in variety
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  from a position of highness and to miss the great measurements in this life and,
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  more importantly, in the other. So that and good, then,
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  that the truth that we were so happy and satisfied to hear these words that
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  surely make many people reflect, besides learning a little bit more about blood and
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  its genius in human creation, but also on the part of the eternal,
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  of God, eternal, but also the some pathologies, but also the virtual
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  power of blood, of virtual Jesus in the sense of powerful virtue, not
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  of a thing that is an unreal reflection of things, much less. Dear
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  friend, I send you a very affectionate hug and we speak to God shortly
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  through a good one, for it is a very strong hug and also happy
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  the whole blessing audience this July. Thank you, mate, so long.
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