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LIVE Community Hour Replay (June 13th, 2025) · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_05: Joel, the first question is for you.
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SPEAKER_05: This is from Melissa Ford in the chat.
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SPEAKER_05: Two quick questions for Joel.
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SPEAKER_05: How does he know which lane hens are laying the most eggs in order to breed only the best ones?
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SPEAKER_05: And how does he electrify the chicken tractor panels themselves without them grounding out?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Um a couple things here.
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SPEAKER_02: So a laying hen, when she's laying an egg every day, her abdomen gets very, very um pliable, very soft back there because it's you know expand, there's no fat.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh so um the the width between the pubic bones, so you can feel if if she's laying well, you can feel very clearly her sharp, clean pubic bones there, and there won't be any fat around them.
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SPEAKER_02: You can put uh two, maybe even three fingers between her pubic bones because she's all nice and broad and wide out there.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: The other thing is the pigment.
1:01
SPEAKER_02: So when a chicken starts laying, their pigment uh goes from their body into the egg yolks, and it goes in a certain order.
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SPEAKER_02: It starts um it starts with the vent around her, you know, uh rear, vent, eye ring, earlobe, beak, feet, and shanks.
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SPEAKER_02: So vent, eye ring, earlobe, beak, feet, and shanks, and they will bleach out and get white uh as she begins laying.
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SPEAKER_02: When she stops laying, it'll come back in the same the same direction.
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SPEAKER_02: So you can tell what's white and what's yellow by is she coming in or going out.
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SPEAKER_02: So um, so yeah, you can definitely tell which chickens are laying uh that way.
1:47
SPEAKER_02: The electrify the chick, I don't know what you're asking on the chicken.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: We we have electrified the eggmobile.
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SPEAKER_02: We've never electrified the chicken shelters because they're they're grounded out.
1:59
SPEAKER_02: The aluminum comes down to the ground, so it would ground out an electric, but the eggmobile, because it's on um it's on tires, is not grounded.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: So you can actually put an energizer on the eggmobile and you can and you can um hook it up so that the entire outside of that eggmobile is electrified uh because the tires are on are are grounded.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh so what you do is you um you hook your energizer to the um to like a piece of aluminum or the frame or something, and then you have a ground rod that you hook your ground rod to, and that basically turns the entire exterior of the eggmobile into an electric, an electric fence.
2:53
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so the tires are where we were going long on that.
2:58
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
3:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay, you're welcome.
3:01
SPEAKER_05: Awesome.
3:02
SPEAKER_05: Okay, the next oh, okay, let's go to um is it Layla.
3:10
SPEAKER_05: Oh, um, can can you unmute?
3:15
SPEAKER_05: Oh, still muted.
3:17
SPEAKER_06: Okay, sorry, I'm I'm new to this stuff.
3:21
SPEAKER_06: I've never shown my face before, but I have to share my face today because I just need to tell you how um great that interview was that you did um with radically genuine.
3:34
SPEAKER_06: And if anybody here hasn't listened to it, I'm gonna put a link in the chat.
3:38
SPEAKER_06: And it just spoke to me on such a deep level.
3:43
SPEAKER_06: Um, I have been down so many rabbit holes and trying to figure things out, and you just put it all together so perfectly.
3:49
SPEAKER_06: And it helped me just to see the forest from the trees, and it helped to just validate my feelings about my own healing journey.
3:58
SPEAKER_06: And I I don't have the words to fully describe it, but I just needed to come on here and say that today to you.
4:05
SPEAKER_06: And I do have a specific question, however, but I just um wanted to share that with everybody.
4:10
SPEAKER_06: If you haven't listened to it, it isn't it was just transformative.
4:14
SPEAKER_06: I just felt like you were speaking to me.
4:16
SPEAKER_05: Oh, wow.
4:17
SPEAKER_05: And let me just quickly so um the radically genuine podcast, Joel, that's the man, Dr.
4:24
SPEAKER_05: Rogers, that we literally just interviewed this morning.
4:27
SPEAKER_05: So that's coming to you.
4:30
SPEAKER_05: We interviewed that man um on our podcast today.
4:33
SPEAKER_05: And Joel was like, wow, this guy's amazing.
4:36
SPEAKER_05: I when I um he actually reached out to me, um, an article that I wrote for Epoch Times intrigued him.
4:44
SPEAKER_05: And so he wanted to interview me.
4:46
SPEAKER_05: And then I got to know him and I messaged Joel and I said, He's like our third P in the pod.
4:52
SPEAKER_05: Like you have to listen to him.
4:53
SPEAKER_05: So we had the privilege of interviewing him for our podcast just this morning, and I think you're gonna you're gonna love it.
5:00
SPEAKER_05: And um, what's your last name?
5:03
SPEAKER_06: I just joined your group, Leon Cavallo, your the wild group.
5:07
SPEAKER_06: See because it spoke to me.
5:09
SPEAKER_06: The the whole idea of surrendering, like I have been down on these rabbit holes, I've been using my brain, I'm a trained attorney, I leave no stone unturned, but I don't surrender, I don't listen to intuition, I struggle with that.
5:24
SPEAKER_06: And that's what I needed to hear.
5:26
SPEAKER_06: And it was the whole idea of synchronicity.
5:30
SPEAKER_06: You have been popping up in different places in my life.
5:33
SPEAKER_06: And I've been following Roger's podcast and I saw, and I'm like, oh my gosh, you're on it.
5:39
SPEAKER_06: And I I work while I listen and I was listening to it, and I was just so moved by it.
5:45
SPEAKER_06: I listened to the whole thing the next day.
5:48
SPEAKER_06: So I listened to two days ago, and then I listened to it again yesterday, and I'm like sharing this with everybody that I know.
5:55
SPEAKER_06: I'm like, you have it.
5:56
SPEAKER_06: It just puts somebody like me who's been into all these things, the energy thing, the grounding thing, the food thing, like I've been doing everything, and you just put it all together so beautifully, but then you rooted it, you rooted the emotional piece, and then the overall thing about the intuition and letting go and letting God and listening to that still voice.
6:17
SPEAKER_06: And I've just been trying so hard and I'm worn down, and I'm like, wow, like that was just that was just such a gift to me.
6:25
SPEAKER_06: And so I just I gotta come on here and tell you this.
6:28
SPEAKER_06: And I don't even feel like I'm being very eloquent right now because I just am like still like wow.
6:34
SPEAKER_06: Oh, wow.
6:34
SPEAKER_06: And I try to put into words, just what you mean to me.
6:37
SPEAKER_06: And I and I love you and Joel Berth.
6:39
SPEAKER_06: I've been following you both for years.
6:40
SPEAKER_06: I've met Joel in person a couple times, and um, and that interview I just felt like you were right there with me, just guiding me.
6:48
SPEAKER_05: Oh, I have goosebumps.
6:49
SPEAKER_05: Thank you so much.
6:50
SPEAKER_05: And what's incredible is yours, you sent in a note to um our podcast, and yours is one of the ones I copied and pasted to read today.
7:02
SPEAKER_05: Totally a god thing.
7:03
SPEAKER_06: Um every time I listen to you while I just I listen to so many people, and you're just like like you're the ones that have it all.
7:12
SPEAKER_06: You know, like you're so authentic and genuine and grounded in truth and open to being wrong.
7:17
SPEAKER_06: And it's like you're not selling me any on anything, you just are.
7:22
SPEAKER_06: It's like it's so pure, and that it's just impossible to find these days because I have been searching.
7:28
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
7:31
SPEAKER_05: I I'm glad we recorded this.
7:33
SPEAKER_05: So when we have doubts on those days, Joel, we could just listen to this again.
7:37
SPEAKER_05: Like, no, please don't have doubts.
7:40
SPEAKER_06: You just have no idea.
7:41
SPEAKER_06: Like, I've been silent this whole time and just taking it all in.
7:44
SPEAKER_06: And it's like finally, I'm like, okay, this is this is it.
7:48
SPEAKER_06: I need to stop being silent.
7:50
SPEAKER_06: Oh my god, the blank screen.
7:54
SPEAKER_05: Oh, I love that.
7:56
SPEAKER_05: Well, and you're very eloquent too.
7:58
SPEAKER_05: So don't even worry about that.
7:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, in your email to genuineness, genuineness is always eloquent.
8:05
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
8:06
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
8:07
SPEAKER_05: I love when you can hear the emotion in somebody's voice, like we can hear in yours.
8:12
SPEAKER_05: You know, it's it just pierces right to the heart.
8:15
SPEAKER_05: Um, in the message that you sent us, you often also offered some assistance.
8:20
SPEAKER_05: So do you want to share that?
8:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I would love to to help you all in any way.
8:27
SPEAKER_06: I I didn't say a lot about my background, but I just I love to plan things and organize and link people together.
8:34
SPEAKER_06: I have an analytical mind, I have lots of ideas, and I'd love to have local community because that to me is like the missing piece is that face-to-face.
8:43
SPEAKER_06: Like when you talked about looking into people's eyes, like I it just hit me.
8:48
SPEAKER_06: Like, how much do we not look into people's eyes with our phones and looking down?
8:52
SPEAKER_06: And I'm like, we need community desperately.
8:54
SPEAKER_06: I am in desperate need of community for myself.
8:57
SPEAKER_06: Um, so I would love to be able to organize that and I have lots of ideas.
9:02
SPEAKER_05: So I love that.
9:04
SPEAKER_05: So um in her note to us, she mentioned also that she says she's a former public interest attorney, mother of two children.
9:11
SPEAKER_05: She lives in um in Virginia, and she's actually she's a chapter leader for Weston Price.
9:18
SPEAKER_05: Um, and you know, the list goes a very impressive, impressive resume.
9:22
SPEAKER_05: So, yeah, I would love to coordinate with you, um, you know, like off this channel um to figure out how we can get those local communities up and running.
9:33
SPEAKER_05: Because, like you said, that's the missing piece.
9:35
SPEAKER_05: You know, we need that connectivity.
9:37
SPEAKER_05: Um, we do have, so this coming week, we are going to be advertising our um Beyond Labels summit, our Two Days of Truth summit for next summer.
9:48
SPEAKER_05: That's gonna be next June.
9:49
SPEAKER_05: And we've we have our speaker lineup all set.
9:52
SPEAKER_05: I just secured our last speaker yesterday, uh, with who is um Dr.
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SPEAKER_05: Alexis Cowen, uh, who's yeah, the expert in light.
10:03
SPEAKER_05: And um she she's just so incredible.
10:05
SPEAKER_05: I think you guys are gonna love her.
10:06
SPEAKER_05: She even refers to herself as um she went rogue from this from the industrial system.
10:12
SPEAKER_05: I was like, oh, you're perfect for us.
10:14
SPEAKER_05: Uh, she even has a new series coming out called Um Science Silenced, and it's about the corruption in science.
10:21
SPEAKER_05: So she's she's right in our space, and she has very easy practical solutions to provide.
10:27
SPEAKER_05: So I just secured her yesterday.
10:29
SPEAKER_05: And speaking about listening to intuition, um, we've been ready to advertise it for the most part for a while now, but you know, God kept telling me you've got to reach out to her.
10:41
SPEAKER_05: And so I did, and I just took a chance.
10:43
SPEAKER_05: She doesn't know me, and I just took a chance, and I was like, Look, this might sound crazy because you don't know me, but I am not supposed to advertise this until you say you will become one of our speakers.
10:54
SPEAKER_08: Wow.
10:55
SPEAKER_05: And she responded back and she's like, I'm there.
11:00
SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna put up put the website together this weekend and we're gonna send it out.
11:04
SPEAKER_05: So that is one, that is our one in-person event that we do have planned already.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, and our community members will get a discount um to attend that event.
11:17
SPEAKER_06: That's fantastic.
11:18
SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
11:19
SPEAKER_05: So yay! Thank you so much for sharing.
11:22
SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
11:24
SPEAKER_06: Can I ask my very simple question?
11:26
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, sorry.
11:27
SPEAKER_06: It's a very simple question, I think, for you.
11:29
SPEAKER_06: Um, structured water.
11:31
SPEAKER_06: I've been trying to drink my structured water, and I'm just curious if I put my water outside and use the light to structure it, is that just as good as all these expensive devices and things?
11:44
SPEAKER_06: And if so, like how long do I do that?
11:46
SPEAKER_06: Because I've been having trouble wrapping my brain around how best to structure water.
11:51
SPEAKER_05: So this is a like highly contentious topic.
11:56
SPEAKER_05: And we can have a whole uh podcast on this one to go through um, you know, different perspectives on it.
12:03
SPEAKER_05: I know there are there's expensive machines that can structure it.
12:07
SPEAKER_05: Um, I I took, you know, Dr.
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SPEAKER_05: Tom Cowan, I actually took his practitioner's class uh because I was writing an article about him.
12:17
SPEAKER_05: And in it, he also says that you can um you can stir the water this way, like a vortex, and stir it the other way.
12:27
SPEAKER_05: And that's one way that he has structured water.
12:30
SPEAKER_05: Um, he has a system, of course, but he is saying that's one way you can structure it.
12:34
SPEAKER_05: It mimics like the currents that the water would go down to in nature.
12:37
SPEAKER_05: Um, there is in the in the scientific literature that studies intention, there is um evidence that you can structure water with your intentions.
12:50
SPEAKER_05: Um, and Cowan has um a guest in, I can't remember her name.
12:55
SPEAKER_05: If anyone knows her name, feel free to type it in the chat or just you know, unmute yourself and say it.
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SPEAKER_05: Um that she has she has measured intention, people setting intention in water.
13:06
SPEAKER_05: So you can actually intention your structure your water through intention.
13:11
SPEAKER_05: I do this, um, I have my glass containers that I drink in, and I have like love and um gratitude like etched on the outside of the glasses, and then I pray over the water.
13:25
SPEAKER_05: So I'm I'm really big into the power of your intention.
13:30
SPEAKER_05: And so I studied that a lot.
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SPEAKER_05: So I will pray over the water, but there are some um reports of the sunlight structuring water, but when I asked Cowan about it, he said to put it in the sun and then to do the vortexing of it as well, so that it will mimic like it's going down a creek, for instance, in nature, you know.
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SPEAKER_05: But again, highly contentious.
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SPEAKER_05: I always say um I look at the evidence and I just pray about it and see what resonates with me and what God shows me.
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SPEAKER_05: And in large part, He has shown me to pray over the water and have those glasses.
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SPEAKER_05: So that's what I do.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, and it it seems to work for me.
14:12
SPEAKER_06: Well, thank you.
14:13
SPEAKER_06: Thank you so much.
14:14
SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah.
14:15
SPEAKER_05: Okay, now let me bounce back over to the chat and then I'll come right back to you, Catherine.
14:21
SPEAKER_05: This is from Glenn Holloway.
14:23
SPEAKER_05: Question for Joel.
14:24
SPEAKER_05: I got my um SGF yesterday.
14:27
SPEAKER_05: I'm assuming that's the Stockman Grass Farmer.
14:30
SPEAKER_05: Oh, there it is.
14:31
SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Glenn.
14:33
SPEAKER_05: Um, do you need articles for the magazine?
14:35
SPEAKER_05: And if so, who do I send it to for review before inclusion?
14:40
SPEAKER_05: So, Joel, that's for you.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh send it to me.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, we're you know, we're it's not like we're lacking for material, but we're always looking for interesting, different material.
14:54
SPEAKER_02: So if you've got something you want to you want to uh do, I um yeah, uh and and I'm I'm the first uh I'm the first step there.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: I was the reason I was asking is because uh you know, Cena knows that I've written a lot of books this year and kind of looking at pushing the whole transition from you know industrial farming towards regenerative farming and the type of farming that you and I believe in uh and trying to get that out there.
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SPEAKER_01: So I've got some good steps for that.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: So I just thought I'd maybe send it to you and get your review.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Joel.
15:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh keep any any any article should be uh 800 words.
15:35
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and Glenn, you also have you sent me that stewarding God's creation uh webinar series, right?
15:45
SPEAKER_05: Um, in case some people in our group, I mean that seems perfect for our community.
15:50
SPEAKER_05: Do you do you want to post it?
15:52
SPEAKER_05: Um, well, actually, you can post it to the community too if you haven't already, but do you want to post it in the chat box here so that people can can join you on that?
16:03
SPEAKER_01: I will do that.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: I haven't set the final date and time yet, but uh I can I can put I'll put in where you can reach me at.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: It's on my it's on my second right on my email just then I sign you up and send you the information.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: So okay, yeah, I'd appreciate that.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
16:18
SPEAKER_05: That's been fantastic.
16:19
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'd like to sign up for that too.
16:22
SPEAKER_05: Um it sounds fast.
16:24
SPEAKER_05: Well, you know, we just love you, Glenn.
16:26
SPEAKER_05: Oh okay.
16:27
SPEAKER_05: So let's jump over to uh Catherine.
16:30
SPEAKER_05: Go ahead, Catherine, please.
16:36
SPEAKER_07: Okay.
16:37
SPEAKER_07: Hi.
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SPEAKER_07: Um first before I ask my question, I just want to say thank you to Joel for clearing up some rotational grazing uh questions I had last month.
16:47
SPEAKER_07: I've been moving them every day, and this has been so fun.
16:53
SPEAKER_07: I mean, to be out there in the pasture, I'm learning so much about our land.
16:58
SPEAKER_07: The watch as the other areas are resting to see different flowers coming up now.
17:04
SPEAKER_07: It's it is so satisfying.
17:06
SPEAKER_07: Um, I'm also realizing how bad our soil is.
17:10
SPEAKER_07: I have to go to town and get step-ins because our fiberglass rods will not go in the dirt.
17:16
SPEAKER_07: Um, so as it's dried out now.
17:18
SPEAKER_07: So I'm learning so much.
17:20
SPEAKER_07: So thank you for that guidance.
17:22
SPEAKER_07: Um my my question um is about fear.
17:28
SPEAKER_07: Um, just listening to you guys for the last few months, and um I'm kind of coming out of my babies are grown up now, like my youngest is three.
17:37
SPEAKER_07: And so I've kind of been I've been involved in the Weston Price Foundation since the beginning of motherhood.
17:44
SPEAKER_07: Um, we've been homesteading for over a decade.
17:47
SPEAKER_07: Um, but just listening to you guys, and as my life is changing, um I want to do more.
17:54
SPEAKER_07: Um, and I'm I'm sure you guys have come up against this, but as I I'm just afraid.
18:00
SPEAKER_07: I'm afraid of the government.
18:02
SPEAKER_07: I'm afraid of um kind of putting myself out there.
18:07
SPEAKER_07: And um, we do a really high quality with the animals, like you know, even just moving the cows every day now for our dairy cows and what we're feeding our hens and how we're raising our meat chickens and stuff.
18:18
SPEAKER_07: And I there's this like fear that people won't want it or they just want cheaper and they don't want what we want, or um for social media, like just kind of afraid to there's this fear.
18:29
SPEAKER_07: And I'm just curious if you guys have if that's a hurdle you've really had to get over, particularly.
18:34
SPEAKER_07: I think as we just hear in the news of what's going on, it's like there's obviously people pushing, like in North Carolina against the raw milk thing that's potential right now, and um, there's people speaking of.
18:47
SPEAKER_07: Um, here in Idaho, we don't people are pretty private.
18:51
SPEAKER_07: Um, and we have farmers markets and stuff like that.
18:56
SPEAKER_07: It's not quite a possibility for us right now.
18:58
SPEAKER_07: So I don't know.
18:59
SPEAKER_07: I'm just curious if you could just speak to this fear, if you guys have had to overcome this in your professional lives.
19:04
SPEAKER_07: And I don't know if it's like a spiritual thing or what it is, but I'm just I'm reading uh reading family-friendly farming right now, Joel.
19:13
SPEAKER_07: And it you speak to a lot of these things in building community and stuff, um, but I can feel it in my bones.
19:18
SPEAKER_07: Like I'm coming up against it, all makes sense, but it's it's there's this fear.
19:26
SPEAKER_05: Do you want to go first, Joel?
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I I guess I can, and and and I I totally I totally appreciate it.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Um just a couple things.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: One is if you're if you're clear about your purpose and you know you know what your purpose is, where what you're where you're headed, um that is more powerful than anything.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: That that can get you through.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: Um I and so, you know, when we when we faced the government telling us they were gonna close us down uh years ago, um I I was struck and I've told this to many people that you know God didn't speak to me, but I was out in the field and and it was just as clear as day the um the admonition to Esther in the book of Esther, you were born for such a time as this.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: And I can tell you the peace that came over me at that point facing, you know, I didn't know what, all sorts of bureaucracy and regulatory things.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Um and just it was a peace knowing this is my this this is you, this is my calling, this is what you're here for.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: And um and so I I I I just I just believe that if you if you take it that what's in your heart has been has not been manipulated, it has not been uh contrived by you, but has been is is your is your uh uh Catherinness, okay?
21:03
SPEAKER_02: Whatever that Catherinness is, um if you can get your embrace that and appreciate it, it will it will carry you through a lot of um a lot of adversity.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: And uh another thing I think that that one of the one of the things that uh they do in holistic management is they do an exercise where they they say, What's the worst thing that can happen, what's the best thing that can happen?
21:28
SPEAKER_02: And we do that here sometimes on the farm when we embark on something that's a little bit, you know, trepidation for trep uh trepidatious for us, and we'll say, Well, what what's the worst thing that can happen?
21:38
SPEAKER_02: And generally, um the worst thing that can happen once you look at it and stare it down, it's not as bad as you might think.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: And then what's the best thing that can happen?
21:49
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's you know really cool.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh but but you know, your your greatest fear, your greatest hope, articulate that and and and what does that look like?
21:57
SPEAKER_02: What does it look like if if things you know don't go.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Well and um and just stare it in the face and realize and when when you do that, uh then you you figure out well if the worst happens, this is what we'll do.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: And we'll do this, we'll do this, we'll do this.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: And you carry create a strategy dealing with the worst that can happen.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: And uh and that's uh but as far as you know getting people to to want your food, to want your stuff, I mean we've been dealing with that all of our lives.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: And um and so I would just say there, you know, don't try to convince everybody, uh just um move on.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh you know, the the the person's getting their food at the filling station, that's not your customer.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: And um, and so you know, don't waste your time on people that don't want to hear the message.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: Um pick pick up pick up the ones that are receptive and and go with it.
22:51
SPEAKER_02: And there will always be naysayers and positive sayers, but it's a big world, and just let it let it go.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Let it let it go.
23:00
SPEAKER_05: Okay, thank you.
23:03
SPEAKER_05: So I mean that was so beautiful.
23:05
SPEAKER_05: Now I wish I had gone first, but how do I follow that?
23:09
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I mean, there's there's the practical side and then there's the spiritual side with it.
23:14
SPEAKER_07: And like I don't know where it came from.
23:16
SPEAKER_07: I mean, I'm originally a city girl, and like it was a pretty dangerous metropolitan area, and I wonder if just that kind of got into my bones a bit.
23:26
SPEAKER_07: But obviously, there's people in cities that are risk takers too.
23:28
SPEAKER_07: So, but it's um it's there's a spiritual side.
23:32
SPEAKER_07: Maybe, maybe Cena, that's what you were able to speak.
23:35
SPEAKER_07: I mean, you're talking about water and intention, and I'm not doing any of those things.
23:40
SPEAKER_07: So like maybe there's little practical things which is totally fine.
23:45
SPEAKER_05: It's totally fine too that you're not doing that on your journey, right?
23:48
SPEAKER_05: We're all on in our own, we're where God wanted us to be, right?
23:53
SPEAKER_05: So I would say there's just no comparison.
23:57
SPEAKER_05: Um, there's no competition, there's no comparison because you're where God wants you to be.
24:01
SPEAKER_05: So yeah, I would say uh so fear, fear can be an impediment, fear could be a motivator.
24:08
SPEAKER_05: Um, and I'm sure you've probably heard those things before.
24:13
SPEAKER_05: For me, I use my emotions as um, they're my friends.
24:18
SPEAKER_05: So when when I'm thinking of emotions, I think of them like children.
24:24
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, children just really want to be heard, right?
24:27
SPEAKER_05: And so so what I do is when when anytime an emotion comes up, I stop what I'm doing.
24:36
SPEAKER_05: And so this is like a discipline, right?
24:38
SPEAKER_05: Most of us just are hurried throughout our lives and we don't create optionality in our day to be able to stop and really pay attention to what's right in front of you and to the emotion.
24:48
SPEAKER_05: So when an emotion comes up like fear, I stop and I think of it as a child.
24:53
SPEAKER_05: So the fear just wants to be heard.
24:55
SPEAKER_05: It's there to protect you, right?
24:57
SPEAKER_05: It's it's there to inform you about something.
25:00
SPEAKER_05: And so the job, your job is to figure out why it's present in that moment.
25:05
SPEAKER_05: And so I talk to it and I I ask, okay, you know, I'm here, I've got your back, you have my full attention.
25:14
SPEAKER_05: What is it you want to show me?
25:16
SPEAKER_05: And let so you're tapping into your intuition there, which is God given.
25:21
SPEAKER_05: And so if you really listen to it and you're open-hearted about it, God will show you where this fear is stemming from.
25:27
SPEAKER_05: In my case, and in usually the people who I work with who have chronic conditions, uh, the fear is deeply rooted in um either attachment trauma or attachment disorder in utero and up to about the first years of life, or in that childhood time period, the adverse childhood experiences.
25:46
SPEAKER_05: It's often rooted in that, and it's it it stems from feeling um inadequate, that you don't feel good enough.
25:53
SPEAKER_05: You don't truly feel loved and accepted.
25:56
SPEAKER_05: Um, and so oftentimes when we venture out into life, we uh we basically expand that to our social community where we're looking for external validation, external approval, and we're afraid that we're not gonna get it because ultimately we fear that we're not good enough.
26:14
SPEAKER_05: I I have that happen to me a lot.
26:18
SPEAKER_05: Um, sometimes people will call it like impostor syndrome, you know.
26:22
SPEAKER_05: Um, so sometimes the fear creeps up for me to the point where so I I don't do social media, you know, like I have a Facebook account, I don't even post on it that often because I keep getting censored anyway, but I can't read comments from people.
26:40
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
26:41
SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, like I know it, like Joel said, I know that I am where I'm supposed to be because I prayed about it and God gave me the clear answer.
26:52
SPEAKER_05: So I um I kind of put my stake in the ground on that, but it doesn't mean I don't have any fear.
27:00
SPEAKER_05: So um I won't ever, in fact, Nolan's our editor Nolan's um on the video with us today.
27:08
SPEAKER_05: And he knows because when when Joel and I first started our podcasts years ago, and we were on YouTube, um, I was the one checking the comments, and I messaged Nolan and I said, I can't do this anymore because it was so some of the comments were very hurtful.
27:26
SPEAKER_05: And so Nolan agreed to take that from me.
27:29
SPEAKER_05: Um, but now there's like this fear that people are gonna say bad things about me or send in the bad emails that every time we get emails sent in, I have to like pray about it before I open the email.
27:45
SPEAKER_05: And usually what I do is I talk to God and I say, okay, I know I'm just a messenger.
27:51
SPEAKER_05: Please help me to understand that this is not about me.
27:57
SPEAKER_05: You know, if you can separate it that it's actually not about you, oftentimes when people are upset, they are in a fearful space and we project it on other people.
28:06
SPEAKER_05: And sometimes it comes out in anger, for example.
28:09
SPEAKER_05: So now when somebody is kind of sending us like hateful comments and stuff, I just basically ask God to protect me from it and so that I don't emotionally spiral down with it and get distracted from my calling.
28:24
SPEAKER_05: And I basically ask him to remind me that this is not about me.
28:27
SPEAKER_05: I do the same thing when I go and like speak on a stage, for example.
28:31
SPEAKER_05: I'll pray to God before and I'll ask him, give me the words that you think they need to hear and remind me this is not about me.
28:39
SPEAKER_05: And as soon as it clicks in my mind, this is not about me, I'm not nervous anymore.
28:45
SPEAKER_05: When I think it's about me, when I make it about me and kind of internalize it, that's when I'm nervous because I'm looking for approval.
28:53
SPEAKER_05: You know, if it's about this is God's message, like through me, then I'm not nervous anymore because it's actually not about me.
29:02
SPEAKER_05: It's about what he has asked me to share.
29:05
SPEAKER_05: I did the same thing on the podcast that she was talking about.
29:09
SPEAKER_05: Beforehand, I just prayed about it and I was like, tell me what you want me to share.
29:12
SPEAKER_05: Consequently, I was in the moment with him and I shared things that I would not normally share online, like, you know, real personal things that people would attack you for.
29:24
SPEAKER_05: And I felt okay about it because it's what God asked me to share.
29:28
SPEAKER_05: So even on our Discord channel, I don't know if you're on that channel, I will get scared to I don't check it more often because I get scared that someone's gonna attack me on the channel.
29:39
SPEAKER_07: I don't comment because I'm afraid someone's gonna attack me.
29:44
SPEAKER_07: I just watch.
29:46
SPEAKER_07: I'm a lurker.
29:48
SPEAKER_07: This is this, I'm participating because I can I can tell this is different.
29:54
SPEAKER_07: I I don't know.
29:55
SPEAKER_07: That's why.
29:55
SPEAKER_05: You're doing it.
29:56
SPEAKER_05: It's like what Joel said.
29:57
SPEAKER_05: You you are moving through it, you're doing it in real time, and we get to be the witness.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: I I think one other thing too, um, since Cena went went deeper with that.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: Let me just go one more step.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: I went rogue.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: And that is and that is do you really love people?
30:18
SPEAKER_02: Do you really love people?
30:21
SPEAKER_02: And I find for me, uh a lot of my you know, true North compass is when I get uh whatever, out of sorts, if you will, I've slipped in my respect, honor, and appreciation to not truly love people.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: One of the things that I do, I don't think I've ever said this on here.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: When I get to um when I when I do talks, presentations, if I can get to the room where I'm speaking early, the auditorium, whatever it is, I will, I will, if I can get there early when nobody's there, I walk the room and touch every seat.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: Just just walk through the aisles and touch every seat.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: And I'm praying help me to love this person, to connect, to honor, and to respect them where they are, so that so that I can I can genuinely um you know uh um so that they will know, they will know that I'm not I'm not judging, I'm not prejudicing, uh, that they will be able to be helped.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: And um I don't always get there, obviously, in time to do that before people get there, but I've done that for years and years.
31:39
SPEAKER_02: And I to me it really helps to set my to set my my heart to just love on the audience, love on the people as individuals.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: And I think if if we can go through our lives that way, uh it will it will help to break down a lot of our um worry about how things will turn out.
32:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
32:09
SPEAKER_05: Because when you when you're in that space of fear, you can't hear the other person's story, right?
32:14
SPEAKER_05: You're you're not picking up on their energy and the subtle changes in their voice, and because you're more worried about you, right?
32:22
SPEAKER_05: And and so it comes back to the whole, it's not about me.
32:25
SPEAKER_05: Like if you really want to connect with in like so for me, this is really important because I longed for community for so long.
32:32
SPEAKER_05: And so if you really want to connect and find that like real community, you've got to be able to look them in the eye and like see the see their soul, you know, and and have them know that you're not there to judge them or change them.
32:46
SPEAKER_05: You're just it comes back to that fear that is embedded in a lot of us from childhood, the feel of not being loved and accepted.
32:56
SPEAKER_05: So when I'm with somebody, I want to try to help them to feel loved and accepted by showing my authenticity, showing up completely, not judging them.
33:08
SPEAKER_05: Um, and that's where I have found true connection.
33:11
SPEAKER_05: Um, even and you can do it over Zoom too, like in these in these interviews.
33:15
SPEAKER_05: You can tell I've had really great people interview me, like Dr.
33:18
SPEAKER_05: Roger, where you're connected with him.
33:21
SPEAKER_05: He's in the moment with you.
33:22
SPEAKER_05: And then I've had really bad people interview me.
33:25
SPEAKER_05: I'm sure Joel's probably had the same thing with you.
33:28
SPEAKER_05: He just had bad experiences where it's on a script, they're not even making eye contact with you, they're like looking at the next question, like they're not in the moment with you.
33:35
SPEAKER_05: It's the same thing in real life conversations.
33:37
SPEAKER_05: You can tell when somebody's really in the moment.
33:39
SPEAKER_05: Um, and that's when I start letting my guard down more as well, right?
33:43
SPEAKER_05: God gave us that ability of discernment.
33:45
SPEAKER_05: So I think part of it is knowing when to share and how much to share by practicing that discernment.
33:52
SPEAKER_05: Um, and then we'll jump over to Jess.
33:55
SPEAKER_05: Let me just add one quick thing.
33:56
SPEAKER_05: This this realization helped me to become more genuine in public.
34:03
SPEAKER_05: It was the realization that um, you know, I used, do any of you know Dr.
34:08
SPEAKER_05: Zach Bush?
34:09
SPEAKER_05: Have you heard of him?
34:10
SPEAKER_05: Uh okay, so um, okay, so he used to live 45 minutes from me when I was in Virginia.
34:16
SPEAKER_05: He's no longer there.
34:17
SPEAKER_05: And so I would, we would, I would visit him.
34:20
SPEAKER_05: And one time he said to me that he's like, you have so much power, like all of us do, right?
34:25
SPEAKER_05: We all have so much power.
34:27
SPEAKER_05: We're made, you know, in the image of God.
34:29
SPEAKER_05: But he's like, You have so much power, but your issue is you will stand in your power and then you quickly jump out of it.
34:37
SPEAKER_05: Like you're afraid to stand in your power.
34:40
SPEAKER_05: And he said, the moment that I would find peace and freedom and joy is the moment that I could learn to stay in my power.
34:50
SPEAKER_05: Shortly after that is when God showed me the connection that autoimmune is to deny yourself.
34:58
SPEAKER_05: Right.
34:58
SPEAKER_05: It's it's it's to not stand in your power, meaning you're not standing in your truth.
35:03
SPEAKER_05: And that to me was like, okay, I'm not going back to that sick space.
35:09
SPEAKER_05: So now I'm going to make this conscious effort with God's help to feel like I can show my genuine self.
35:17
SPEAKER_05: I can speak my genuine truth.
35:19
SPEAKER_05: And Joel's helped me a lot.
35:21
SPEAKER_05: I wouldn't really speak publicly.
35:23
SPEAKER_05: Um, but working with Joel on this podcast and kind of affirming each other, Catherine, just like we could do on Discord, like affirm each other, right?
35:32
SPEAKER_05: Um having a partner help me do that, validate and affirm me has helped me be like, you know what?
35:38
SPEAKER_05: It's okay that you disagree with me.
35:40
SPEAKER_05: We're not gonna agree on everything.
35:41
SPEAKER_05: This is just my truth in this moment, but it's okay that you challenge me and I'm open to listening.
35:47
SPEAKER_05: Right.
35:48
SPEAKER_05: So it was like a long journey to get there, but that was a critical component for me to realize that autoimmune is to deny yourself.
35:55
SPEAKER_05: And and I I'm not gonna get sick again.
35:58
SPEAKER_05: Like did that answer your question, Catherine?
36:01
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I mean, this is a loaded one, I know.
36:03
SPEAKER_07: Um, and I appreciate this.
36:04
SPEAKER_07: And I'm gonna I'm gonna go listen to the replay again.
36:06
SPEAKER_07: I think like, and yeah, I mean, it's I I appreciate everything I'm gonna think of meditate on this.
36:13
SPEAKER_07: And it's it's interesting, this last pit piece that you just put in there because um I haven't been to the doctor.
36:21
SPEAKER_07: I I took my kid in for something and I mentioned something because it was like a sinus thing was going on, and we just couldn't seem to solve it here.
36:29
SPEAKER_07: And um, I mentioned one of my issues.
36:32
SPEAKER_07: He's like, Oh, that's interesting.
36:33
SPEAKER_07: That's that's a um an autoimmune issue that you're creating for yourself there.
36:40
SPEAKER_07: And it wasn't my appointment, and so I was like, okay, I don't, you know, we're not going in down this road or whatever, but that you're bringing up this connection with autoimmune.
36:47
SPEAKER_07: So as I'm watching my health, it'd spend about a year and a half.
36:50
SPEAKER_07: I'm like, am I creating an autoimmune?
36:53
SPEAKER_07: And I've I'm out there in the pastures right now, and the grass is sometimes it's elbow um uh I have been having hay fever like crazy.
37:04
SPEAKER_07: I'm so I'm thinking about this autoimmune issue.
37:06
SPEAKER_07: And so it's interesting you're tying this with the emotional side.
37:10
SPEAKER_07: Um, yeah, this is a loaded one.
37:12
SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna think about this and I appreciate I appreciate it a lot.
37:15
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and if you feel inclined, you can message me.
37:18
SPEAKER_05: You can even direct message me on Discord if you want to, as a baby step, to start feeling comfortable communicating on that platform, right?
37:26
SPEAKER_05: So whatever, whatever works for you, we're we're there to help.
37:29
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
37:30
SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: I can't let you get away with I can't let you get away with your hay fever thing right there at the end.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: I had hay fever so bad in high school that I was on uh ours on a cortisone, uh nasal cortisone stuff, you know, prescription.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: And um, and so we met a uh after Theresa and I got married, we met an herbal herbalist.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: And um now uh if I get a little bit stuffy, like in the spring with pollen or in the fall with ragweed, stuff like that, we'd cut, we'd take a burdock and uh dig up the root and cut it into little slices and make a and make a tea out of it.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: It tastes about like grass.
38:09
SPEAKER_02: It's a real, it's not, it's just bland.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: But uh I take four, uh take uh morning, noon, night, and morning or whatever, take four, four doses of it, of that tea, about you know, a cup, about a cup at a time.
38:24
SPEAKER_02: And um and uh it just it it just complete it's like a miracle for me.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
38:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it'll work for you.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm not you know I'm not giving a prescription, but but for me it has it has been life-changing because I I literally couldn't I couldn't exist uh back when I was a kid, and um and it has been a life life saving.
38:45
SPEAKER_07: Okay, I'll give it a try.
38:46
SPEAKER_07: That's a favorite around here anyway.
38:48
SPEAKER_07: So thank you.
38:49
SPEAKER_05: Okay, fabulous.
38:50
SPEAKER_05: Okay, this is from Doug, I think it's Croucher.
38:53
SPEAKER_05: Uh Joel, I have been trying to use charcoal as a natural dewarmer for my chickens and ducks.
38:58
SPEAKER_05: I have been crushing it up and offering it up free choice in an old dog bowl.
39:03
SPEAKER_05: Should I be mixing it up in their feed instead?
39:05
SPEAKER_05: Or am I right to treat this free choice like with their oyster shells?
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I I would do it free choice.
39:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh um, you know, the nice thing about animals is they don't watch TV, so they're not influenced by advertisements.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: And so they actually are much more in tune with what they need and what they don't need.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, as a as a free choice option on the side, uh, and and they will they will they will choose what they want.
39:35
SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much, Joel.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:38
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
39:38
SPEAKER_04: Okay, let's go over to Jess.
39:39
SPEAKER_04: Hi, Jess.
39:41
SPEAKER_04: Um, hello, nice to see you both.
39:43
SPEAKER_04: Thank you for doing these.
39:44
SPEAKER_04: Um, so um, my name is Jess Boyd.
39:47
SPEAKER_04: I'm from uh South Central Kansas.
39:49
SPEAKER_04: We have about 30 acres and we do rotational grazing with our livestock and chickens.
39:53
SPEAKER_04: And I had a question for Joel.
39:55
SPEAKER_04: Um, we with our 30 acres, we have about 15 acres that we're using right now for pasture, for moving the animals.
40:03
SPEAKER_04: The rest is um cedars.
40:04
SPEAKER_04: And in this particular area, um, the eastern red cedar is an invasive uh tree.
40:10
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so for we've just um hired someone with the right equipment to um remove about 10 acres of very mature cedars.
40:21
SPEAKER_04: Um, and the goal is to turn that into pasture.
40:25
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so my question is we've done some research on like what so we've actually had them cleared.
40:30
SPEAKER_04: They're in a huge pile.
40:31
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it is huge.
40:33
SPEAKER_04: Um and we've tried to do some research on okay, now what to do with them.
40:36
SPEAKER_04: And um, so we kind of have like three options, unless maybe Joel has another option.
40:41
SPEAKER_04: And I kind of wanted to see, you know, which of these three options is the best, or if there was another option we can consider.
40:47
SPEAKER_04: So um hauling away doesn't seem to make a lot of sense and it seems very expensive.
40:52
SPEAKER_04: Um, we were looking into chipping, but it for us to rent a chipper, it wouldn't actually work on these trees because they're so big and mature, it wouldn't work on that kind of chipper.
41:02
SPEAKER_04: We would actually need like a full-on commercial chipper.
41:06
SPEAKER_04: And we looked into renting that.
41:07
SPEAKER_04: Again, we could save up for this, but it was gonna cost very expensive, very close to the hauling away option.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: Then the third is burning.
41:15
SPEAKER_04: Um, the only concern that we have, well, in this huge pile, it's also about 500 feet from our house.
41:22
SPEAKER_04: And so we definitely would need to have it in smaller piles, and it would take a very long time for us to get through it all.
41:28
SPEAKER_04: Um, and we're pretty impatient.
41:30
SPEAKER_04: We really want to pasture.
41:31
SPEAKER_04: So, but um probably are options.
41:34
SPEAKER_04: I just wanted to see, like, I also heard online that maybe like as far as wood chips go, because in my mind, I'm like, ooh, wood chips that could be like carbon that we could add to some things, like maybe we're gonna get pigs next year.
41:44
SPEAKER_04: We can do deep bedding.
41:46
SPEAKER_04: But then I also heard that like eastern red cedars has like a different kind of pH, and maybe it's not the best uh kind of wood chips for animals.
41:54
SPEAKER_04: And so I wanted to get your opinion on um on what the best way is to get rid of the cedars.
41:59
SPEAKER_04: Um, and uh also I'll just mention really quick that we don't have um a tractor or anything like that, but um, we totally are very handy and we can rent equipment.
42:10
SPEAKER_04: Um, and um we do have a four-wheeler.
42:13
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then the second part of my question is if you have any tips on like once we figure out how to get rid of the cedars, uh, how we can regenerate that into pasture.
42:24
SPEAKER_04: Like, should we just put animals on it and we're gonna start to see stuff happen?
42:28
SPEAKER_04: Or should we be more proactive and try to seed some things in?
42:32
SPEAKER_04: And then if you have any tips on like how to seed with like a four-wheeler and some additional equipment that we might be able to rent versus like very large commercial equipment.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: All right.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, let's let's take these the the um, these are all good, really good uh questions, good things.
42:49
SPEAKER_02: So how big how so it so you you've had the 10 acres already um pushed out with like a bulldozer or something?
42:56
SPEAKER_04: They came well, they came in with um uh what is it called?
43:00
SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, what is it called?
43:01
SPEAKER_04: It's like it kind of looks like a a skid sear, but has like the tracks on it so it doesn't mess up the soil.
43:06
SPEAKER_04: Does that make sense?
43:07
SPEAKER_04: And then it and then it's like the kind that like sh it like shreds down the team.
43:10
SPEAKER_04: So they they clear cut most of them and just stack them.
43:13
SPEAKER_04: The ones that were really small, they did chip up, but majority of them are all clear-cut down to the very base, and then they stacked them in the middle.
43:22
SPEAKER_04: So we had this huge pile of like 10 acres of very, very, very mature cedars.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so uh um so how give me a give me a diameter.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: So so they so they they um they mulched, they mulched some.
43:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: The ones that they've got stuff that was stuff that was say four four inches in diameter or less.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh so how big are the leftovers?
43:49
SPEAKER_02: How what's the diameter?
43:51
SPEAKER_04: Um gosh, I don't know.
43:54
SPEAKER_04: Um I wish my husband was here to ask, he probably would know.
43:58
SPEAKER_04: I mean I don't know, like
44:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Are any of them are any of them 12 inches?
44:03
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: 12 inches.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: Are are they are they all in one pile or multiple piles?
44:12
SPEAKER_04: They're all in one pile right now, but we could get them into multiple piles.
44:16
SPEAKER_04: Like we could rent some equipment to move them if we needed to.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: You're you're yeah, just just just stay stay with me here.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: All right.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: So number one, cedar, as you know, is rot resistant.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: They use them for fence posts, right?
44:31
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: So um, you know how much fence posts cost these days?
44:38
SPEAKER_02: Like 30 bucks a piece?
44:40
SPEAKER_02: So if you it so any anything that's six inches or bigger can be a fence post that might be worth thirty dollars.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: So how many you know, if you've got something that's eight, nine, ten inches, uh, every every eight feet of that is worth about thirty dollars.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: So there's a pile of money sitting there, possibly, a lot of money sitting there.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: If you just start taking a chainsaw and and picking through, grab your, you know, grab your big trunks.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, but apparently they slashed, they, they, they mulched everything that was small.
45:19
SPEAKER_02: So what's left is everything that's big.
45:21
SPEAKER_02: And so you can just start working on that with a chainsaw, and about every about every two minutes you can have a fence post that's worth at least$20.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know about you, but I can work pretty well for two bucks for two minutes for$20.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: And just and just and and turn that pile into a stack of$20 fence posts.
45:47
SPEAKER_02: It might it might, I mean, I don't know.
45:50
SPEAKER_02: I obviously I have no idea how big the pile is or or where it is.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: So so how how big um and what you'll end up with is then you'll end up with a bunch of branches and a bunch of little tops, and it'll it'll completely change that that pile.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: And you can just, you know, you can just start around the edges.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: I uh you know, think about logistically how you want to do that, but um, but you know that that would that would greatly, greatly decrease it, and you suddenly have a a windfall of financial opportunity for yourself, your own fence posts, or for um, you know, somebody uh something else.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: Um you know if you have a if you have access to a bandsaw mill, anything over 12 inches would make a fine, you know, cedar um, you know, cedar boards, which are gorgeous.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: And everything from shingles to siding to you know to whatever poles.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, think about a pole shed.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: If you're wanting to build a pole shed, um, you know, cedar is uh is is a wonderful, wonderful material.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: It's because it's rot resistant.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: So um so I I I think I think the first thing you need to do is instead of looking at pile like it's a bunch of scrap, look at it like it's a new gold mine and start uh start uh pecking at it and look at it that way.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: Um secondly, if you you you certainly could burn it.
47:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh 500 feet, obviously, if you get the great big stuff out of it, you'll greatly reduce the pile and it won't be nearly as big.
47:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh, does that pile right now cover let's just say half an acre?
47:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh, definitely.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it cover okay, it it's it's a half an acre in size.
47:34
SPEAKER_04: You'd say I would have to like measure it on Google Maps or or walk it, but I would guess it's pretty close to that.
47:43
SPEAKER_02: All right.
47:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
47:45
SPEAKER_02: Um well if if it's less than half an acre, um you you could burn it, but you could also just leave it, and it'll be uh a rabbit, a rabbit worn, uh black snakes and you know uh amphibians and all sorts of cool things will live in it.
48:05
SPEAKER_02: And if you take the great big the great big pieces out and turn those into cash, then you'll have a much more uh brushy type, you know, brushy type pile, and um and and and you and you get paid for your work.
48:23
SPEAKER_04: I see.
48:24
SPEAKER_04: So it's so taking the big pieces out and then finding a place local that has uh the right equipment to make them into like an actual square post.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: No, no, you don't need any of all you need is a chainsaw.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: All you need is a chainsaw, just take the take the limbs off.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: Take the limbs.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're already round, they're already round, and so you can have different size fence posts there.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of people that want to buy fence posts that aren't pressure treated because they don't want pressure-treated posts.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: In fact, if you're organic certified, you can't use pressure-treated posts.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: So there's a huge market for untreated either either locust, cedar, or uh Osage Orange.
49:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh, those are the three major species that don't rot very much.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: They're used for natural fence posts.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, we've got cedar fence posts around here that are 60 years old.
49:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, so so there's really there's there's tremendous value here.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: Don't uh man, I mean, I'm yeah, uh I I I I think that you're really sitting on something that's got a lot of value, and uh, and so just just um uh uh peck away at it and and get paid, get paid to work on it.
49:34
SPEAKER_02: Now, as far as so uh is there any grass?
49:38
SPEAKER_02: Were they so thick that there's no grass underneath?
49:40
SPEAKER_04: That's correct.
49:41
SPEAKER_04: They were so thick that there was no grass underneath.
49:44
SPEAKER_04: Um we're starting to see a little bit of stuff come up.
49:47
SPEAKER_04: It's not you know, more like as expected, like weeds and poison ivy right now.
49:51
SPEAKER_04: Um, but hopefully that would cycle through.
49:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: All right.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, you can either you can either let it be and just start your managed grazing multi-species, and within within a year or two, you're gonna have some really, really great ground cover there.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you can also encourage it by one of the one of the ways we've planted stuff like this with a four-wheeler is just um use a um you know a little cyclone cedar, you know, a little slight, put a put a cocktail of seeds in there and um and sit on the back of your four-wheeler and and drag some drag some treetops and some brush.
50:28
SPEAKER_02: I know you got plenty of that.
50:29
SPEAKER_02: So just uh chain some of those to the back of the four-wheeler to just kind of disturb the ground a little bit to get some ground uh seed soil uh contact, and you can see that 10 acres in you know in a in a couple hours, and uh you won't have to rent anything or or buy anything, and you'll get on there what you need, and and you'll you'll that that will probably get you down the road farther quicker.
50:52
SPEAKER_02: Now we are getting far into the season to do that, so watch the weather and make sure you do that right ahead of a rain, or the seeds might all perish because they've got to have moisture in order to germinate.
51:03
SPEAKER_04: Great, awesome, cool.
51:05
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much, Joel.
51:06
SPEAKER_05: Appreciate it.
51:08
SPEAKER_05: All right, wonderful question.
51:09
SPEAKER_05: Okay, let's jump over to Joshua because we only have about eight minutes left, so let's try to get through everybody.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Joshua Yeah, so real quick, actually, Jess, that was just some quick feedback.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: I had the same thing.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: I live in southwestern Missouri, and we have um Cedar County, so we got tons of cedar trees here, and I cleared a bunch of pasture.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Joel's advice is spot on.
51:32
SPEAKER_00: I did burn some of it because a lot of them were tapered, too thin and tapered.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I had a skid loader with a saw come through and they cut everything.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, they did a little bit more disturbance than what I would have liked, but um, we ended up burning everything that couldn't be made into a foot fence post, and then we did um I fed hay out on the pasture last winter.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: I tried to put um I tried to put uh turnips in there, but we didn't get enough rain last fall, so they never went.
52:01
SPEAKER_00: They they sprouted and then they died out in the drought.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: But um I fed hay in it last fall, and this year I'm grazing it, and I the only thing I seeded was some um some clover in there just to kind of help put some nitrogen into the soil, and they're it's doing great.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: And I grazed it already once this year and probably a couple weeks away from hitting it again.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: So um wonderful.
52:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we we've done the same thing.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh certainly when we've made conversions like this, yes, feeding hay on it is one of the one of the quickest, best ways you can you can do I uh you're your thanks for bringing that up.
52:34
SPEAKER_02: I I neglected to to say that to uh to Jess, but that's certainly a great thing.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: Get a little bit about hay on.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the cedars, you know, they're it's I think they're they're starved for nutrients out there, and just feeding hay and having all that manure out there and everything else really helps.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: And then I just had a follow-up last month.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: I wasn't on the meeting, but somebody asked a really good question I have experience with as well when it comes to feeding chickens, and somebody was doing a soy free, which we do with our meat chickens, and trying to do a whole grain versus cracking it.
53:03
SPEAKER_00: And um, I was even fermenting them for like three days.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: I forgot who asked the question, but we did not get any weight gain on those chickens.
53:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, by the time at 10 weeks, and they were Freedom Rangers at 10 weeks, we were only getting like two to four pound chickens, and they were the smallest chickens we ever did.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: And this year we found um, thankfully, we found a better source of um non-soy organic feed, and that made all the difference in the world.
53:29
SPEAKER_00: And this year we had you know six to seven pound birds.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: So um, whoever asked that question, or maybe they'll you know, um listen later, but uh it just seems like trying to do a whole grain um on there without cracking it, with you know, well, we still soak it, and that helps too, but um, even a fermented whole grain just did not seem to work well for a meat chicken.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: That's all I had.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it takes it simply takes too much energy, takes too much energy for them to get that down into a digestible state.
54:00
SPEAKER_02: And that's why the industry uses pelletized.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: So they they even take it beyond cracking, uh, even to a to a basically a slurry and then and then uh press it back together, you know.
54:11
SPEAKER_02: And uh that that's that's how that it's all to make it so much more digestible that the body doesn't even have to work to access the nutrients.
54:22
SPEAKER_05: Okay, great question.
54:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so we have two more.
54:26
SPEAKER_05: So this should be a simple question, and then because I want to get to Dr.
54:29
SPEAKER_05: Ann Miller.
54:30
SPEAKER_05: So, Joel, uh, this is from Glenn.
54:32
SPEAKER_05: I ordered 110 meat birds this last week, and they came in two shipments.
54:37
SPEAKER_05: When they arrived, they were all dead.
54:39
SPEAKER_05: The producer stated that he had been having trouble with carriers, and even some one-day shipments had arrived all dead.
54:47
SPEAKER_05: Have you heard of anybody else experiencing that type of problem?
54:52
SPEAKER_02: All the time.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: All the time.
54:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all the time.
54:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: Thousands and thousands of of dead chicks.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh the postal service um is they they they they they don't take care of them, they treat them like fourth class male too often.
55:12
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's it's a it's a huge, it's a huge problem all the time.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: And that that's why the animal welfare people want to prohibit Postal Service carrying chicks, uh, because so many of them do die because of mishandling.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: But instead of getting the Postal Service to get their act together, um the animal welfare people want to just, you know, criminalize uh shipping, shipping chicks.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: Chicks can do fine up to three days if they're handled well.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: The reason they can do they can live for three days without any food or water is because in a natural hatching state where a hen lays a clutch of eggs, say 10 or 12, she's laying those over several days.
55:50
SPEAKER_02: And so if the if if if the fur you know, she's not a mammal.
55:56
SPEAKER_02: So uh if she got off the nest to take the first eggs that hatched that were laid 12 days before the last egg that hatches, if she took that chick out, went off her eggs, then those eggs wouldn't hatch because they wouldn't have the warmth anymore.
56:08
SPEAKER_02: So God designed this so that there's a lot of wiggle room built in so that the the the 12th, the lay egg laid 12 days after the first egg, uh that little chick, the the first chick hatched of that clutch can survive fine for a couple days till that uh last egg hatches.
56:30
SPEAKER_05: Okay, fantastic.
56:31
SPEAKER_05: So let's hop over to Dr.
56:33
SPEAKER_05: Ann Miller from Salty Feathers Farm.
56:36
SPEAKER_05: I just love that name.
56:37
SPEAKER_05: Salty Feathers.
56:38
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, it's uh when we have more time next time.
56:40
SPEAKER_05: You you have to tell us how you came up with that name.
56:43
SPEAKER_05: That I love it.
56:45
SPEAKER_03: We're close to the coast, and and people think of the coast as beaches, and so the salty kind of mixes that in.
56:52
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
56:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm in Florida, but so it's not so so it's not it's not about your language then.
56:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it could be, it could be.
57:02
SPEAKER_05: I was thinking salty sweets, you know, like I love salty sweet foods.
57:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm in Florida and we're in the middle of the glyphosate wars.
57:11
SPEAKER_03: You can call it whitewashing, you can call it greenwashing, and I'm trying to mitigate a lot of community conversations, participate and help direct.
57:25
SPEAKER_03: And we literally have billboards that tell us that if communities continue to ban glyphosate, that our farmers are going to go hungry, they're gonna die, there won't be any food on the shelves.
57:39
SPEAKER_03: I mean, these pictures of bucolic farms that that are going to fail if we don't allow them to use glyphosate.
57:47
SPEAKER_03: And so a lot of people that don't understand the food system see this, and I have two communities.
57:56
SPEAKER_03: I have we're on the Gulf of Mexico.
58:01
SPEAKER_03: And so we understand red tide and all of the algae problems.
58:07
SPEAKER_03: Uh, most of our communities don't allow homeowners to even fertilize during the rainy season.
58:13
SPEAKER_03: There is a large group that understands that connection, and then there's the big group that doesn't and panics, whether it's I sending home our tomato pickers or it's these companies telling everyone I was in the heartland, and there were five billboards within a 20-minute drive that is just trying to convince everybody.
58:37
SPEAKER_03: So, how do I lead this conversation?
58:39
SPEAKER_03: How do I what's a good place to point me to that that I can decide telling everybody to switch to regenerative and then it won't matter and everybody will be successful and there'll be lots of food, which is the philosophy I teach, but not the conversation we're having right now.
59:02
SPEAKER_02: Oh boy.
59:08
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it it's such a it's such a nuanced conversation.
59:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean uh these are the same people that think the Green Revolution kept us all from starving.
59:19
SPEAKER_02: And the Green Revolution did not keep us from starving.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: We had tons of food.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: We've never even been close to starving.
59:25
SPEAKER_02: And right now the world the world produces uh 40% more food than it needs.
59:30
SPEAKER_02: We've never, as a as a planet, we've never thrown away more human edible food than we're doing right now.
59:36
SPEAKER_02: And so the the whole the whole narrative that we're we're gonna die if we don't get all this food is just is just um is totally not true.
59:47
SPEAKER_02: Remember, realize too that um 40% of all the corn grown in the U.S., which uh is a lot of the the glyphosate use, doesn't even go into human food.
59:57
SPEAKER_02: It goes into alcohol for automobiles, for for ethanol.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: So we're not even we're not you using this stuff for food.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_02: Um for me, for me, the number one way to attack this is to go for the jugular of scarcity.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_02: Once you get once you can get a person to to not fear starvation, help them to understand that 500 years ago North America produced more food than it does today, and that's the truth.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_02: Once you get a person to to move to that direction, then you um then you can start having a conversation about the importance of glyphosate.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: Um but I mean, yeah, uh compost is outrunning chemicals by the boatload right now, but the but the narrative is in is is in charge of it.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_02: I I guess if you want a soundbite, here's my soundbite.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_02: My sound bite is do you believe Anthony Fauci?
1:01:08
SPEAKER_02: If you do realize that the people in charge of the USDA and these billboards are from the same school of thought as Anthony Fauci.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_02: That's a quick way, because there are a lot of people that don't trust Anthony Fauci, but they do trust the USDA.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_02: And so if you can sow a if you can sow a seed of doubt in their heads regarding Anthony Fauci, and there's a lot of doubt there, okay?
1:01:36
SPEAKER_02: This narrative is being preached from the same pulpits, it's the same denomination, it's the same church, it's the same philosophy as Fauci.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_02: Fauci's philosophy is in charge of the USDA, it's in charge at Monsanto, it's in charge of these billboards, it's in charge of our land grant research uh universities.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_02: And so if you can just put a wedge, put a put any thread of duplicity in their mind, um, then you can start down the path of having a conversation.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_02: But it starts with with understanding that um that the the nar the narrative the narrative might not be right.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_02: That that's where it starts.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_02: And so for me, Anthony Fauci is like a litmus test.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_02: He's he's like a lightning rod that can start.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_02: And if they look at you and say, oh man, what they did, Anthony Fauci is wonderful.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm glad I took the jab, blah, blah, blah.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
1:02:37
SPEAKER_02: Then just quit.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_02: Just quit.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's okay.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_02: They can go their way, you can go yours.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: But if they say, oh no, Anthony Fauci was a charlatan fraud, blah, blah, blah, then then you've you've got you've got a wedge.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: You've got a wedge in there, and you can start, you know, running down the other elements.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_05: Thanks.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_05: And um, Dr.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_05: Miller, we're gonna do a podcast specifically on glyphosate because on the Discord channel, people have asked us to tease out that issue for them.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_05: So um, so look for that one too.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_05: We'll get that one up and you know, maybe we can come up with some almost like a like a little pamphlet, some you know, bullet points um to counter some of these arguments, you know, if that might be helpful.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_05: Um, we are we're five minutes over and I know Joel has to run.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_05: We have a question that came up from um revitalize Rick.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_05: I have copied that question and I'll answer that on Discord.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_05: Okay, just so that we are, you know, I have your question, I will answer it on Discord, but we're over time and now um, and I know Joel has to go to his next thing.
1:03:41
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so Joel, um, do you wanna, you know, the the community had asked if you would um do like a closing prayer at the end?
1:03:51
SPEAKER_02: Pray at the end, okay.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll have to do that.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_02: Our Lord, thank you for giving us this time together with our folks, our tribe, our people, our our team, our truth seekers.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_02: And uh it's just been a real pleasure, and uh and thank you for carving out the time and and um and giving us this opportunity.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_02: So bless our bless our people, bless us all in our journeys, and um, and reward our seeking with uh finding.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_02: And just bless us today, we pray in Christ's name.
1:04:22
unknown: Amen.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_05: Amen.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_05: Thank you all so much for joining us, and we'll see you.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_05: We'll we'll we'll we'll we'll be there next week for you, and we'll see you next month.