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- 0:00Speaker 1: It's thirty eight.
- 0:00Speaker 2: All bills can win in here, Wake puts it down,
- 0:03Speaker 2: the kick is on the way, and d dock and
- 0:06Speaker 2: the bill good one?
- 0:07Speaker 3: How the hell that one.
- 0:11Speaker 4: Home?
- 0:11Speaker 5: How one?
- 0:13Speaker 3: They were a party one not party way?
- 0:16Speaker 5: Incredible? Why not combat by my bell?
- 0:19Speaker 2: Jacksonville's perfect record on the line right here.
- 0:27Speaker 4: Quick.
- 0:30Speaker 5: Kicking, look excited.
- 0:31Speaker 4: Touchdown Kyle Williams touchdound amazing, unbelievable. They puttied william Who's
- 0:54Speaker 4: has to full back and he scores a touchdown. It's
- 0:58Speaker 4: wealthier to face tackle.
- 1:13Speaker 5: What's good?
- 1:14Speaker 1: Folks, family, friends, loved ones, enemies, frenemies, wizards which is
- 1:18Speaker 1: muchaels mud bloods people A middler to another episode of
- 1:21Speaker 1: Disguised Coverage. The only podcast that gives you an equal
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- 1:35Speaker 5: Also stop by drop a toy.
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- 1:45Speaker 1: We'll be talking about that throughout the show as we
- 1:47Speaker 1: go forward.
- 1:48Speaker 5: In this episode of.
- 1:50Speaker 1: Disguised Coverage, it is Patriots Week, we'll be talking bills
- 1:53Speaker 1: versus Pats, scheme structure, x's and o's, players, position groupings, coaches,
- 1:59Speaker 1: anything and everything is on the menu to really put
- 2:01Speaker 1: this matchup into focus in terms of what will decide
- 2:05Speaker 1: the game, who will decide the game, why and how
- 2:08Speaker 1: and all of those fun things. And I say we
- 2:11Speaker 1: because I'm not alone in this episode. I hope if
- 2:14Speaker 1: you are a regular viewer of this show for the
- 2:17Speaker 1: past two years now, I think this would be the
- 2:19Speaker 1: third year, you should know that when it is Patriots Week,
- 2:23Speaker 1: I am joined by pretty much the same person every
- 2:26Speaker 1: single time. And so with that being said, I welcome
- 2:28Speaker 1: to the stage, mister Taylor Kyle's Patriots beat reporter and
- 2:33Speaker 1: analyst for Patriots CLNS. I say it to you all
- 2:37Speaker 1: the time. You are one of the few beat reporters
- 2:40Speaker 1: that I've ever encountered who actually know football and x's
- 2:43Speaker 1: and o's and stuff that actually matters. And you watch
- 2:46Speaker 1: tape and you don't watch it just for highlights sort
- 2:48Speaker 1: of clip stuff. You actually know what you're talking about
- 2:50Speaker 1: and how you break stuff down. You are legitimately one
- 2:52Speaker 1: of the best in the business, and you're an awesome
- 2:54Speaker 1: person and I appreciate you.
- 2:56Speaker 5: Thank you for taking the time.
- 2:57Speaker 6: Welcome to show.
- 2:58Speaker 2: I have never not look when coming on the show
- 3:01Speaker 2: for one of those intros. Damn you, brother, But I
- 3:03Speaker 2: appreciate it. You know I feel the exact same way
- 3:05Speaker 2: about you. We just got done with our little home
- 3:08Speaker 2: and Home. We came on my pod. That was a
- 3:10Speaker 2: lot of fun. So let's keep the trainer rolling baby.
- 3:12Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and speaking of Roland, the Pats are crushing
- 3:16Speaker 1: it this year. You know, I shouldn't do that. That's
- 3:19Speaker 1: bad for him. That's just that's me.
- 3:21Speaker 5: I don't want to be that. I'm not gonna do it.
- 3:25Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do it.
- 3:26Speaker 6: I'm also not that much for sure.
- 3:28Speaker 5: That's fair. Yeah, I'm just I'm just not that guy.
- 3:30Speaker 5: I don't like.
- 3:31Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't do that. I don't know
- 3:32Speaker 1: why I did that nice little segue. I guess it
- 3:34Speaker 1: just fit. It just felt like a good segue. But
- 3:35Speaker 1: the Patriots, Yeah, that's fair. The Patriots a team that
- 3:39Speaker 1: and you know what too, And I'm gonna get into
- 3:41Speaker 1: this with one of my matchup pieces.
- 3:43Speaker 5: I don't care what a team's record is.
- 3:45Speaker 1: I will never overlook anyone, but especially the Patriots after
- 3:48Speaker 1: what happened last year in New England when the Bills lost.
- 3:50Speaker 1: But high level review of what this Patriots team is
- 3:55Speaker 1: right now. Jacoby Brissett starts the year Drake May, you know,
- 3:59Speaker 1: takes so in Week six against the Texans.
- 4:01Speaker 5: It has been rolling forward.
- 4:03Speaker 1: Got some issues on the old line, got some issues
- 4:05Speaker 1: on the defense. You have a coach for the first
- 4:07Speaker 1: time that is not Bill Belichick. Like all of these
- 4:10Speaker 1: drama storyline filled aspects weekend and week out surrounding this team,
- 4:15Speaker 1: but when it comes to the actual football aspect of.
- 4:17Speaker 5: It, what is this team? Who is this team?
- 4:21Speaker 1: High level overview, like, describe what the Patriots are right
- 4:24Speaker 1: now as a team heading into this game.
- 4:26Speaker 2: So start with the good Drake May. It was like,
- 4:29Speaker 2: Drake May, Drake May looks awesome. He's finally a quarterback
- 4:34Speaker 2: that I think Bills fans aren't gonna be happy to
- 4:37Speaker 2: play twice a year coming out of New England. That
- 4:39Speaker 2: has not been the case obviously since twenty nineteen, but
- 4:42Speaker 2: really since week ten, Drake May. The first few weeks,
- 4:45Speaker 2: you know, there were some kind of boneheaded mistakes that
- 4:48Speaker 2: trickled in against Miami a few weeks ago as well,
- 4:51Speaker 2: But really since Week ten, the Patriots have been one
- 4:53Speaker 2: of the more efficient offenses in the league when it
- 4:55Speaker 2: comes to actually moving the football down the field. Now,
- 4:58Speaker 2: they have not often been able to punctuate that by
- 5:00Speaker 2: actually getting into the m zone.
- 5:02Speaker 6: It's kind of funny.
- 5:03Speaker 2: They went through a stretch where they were the best
- 5:04Speaker 2: red zone offense in the NFL for like three weeks
- 5:07Speaker 2: with Drake May. Then since then they've been one of
- 5:10Speaker 2: the worst red zone offenses, but they've been one of
- 5:12Speaker 2: the most efficient on like a success rate basis. Of course,
- 5:15Speaker 2: you can't have nice things in New England, you know,
- 5:17Speaker 2: in this day and age.
- 5:18Speaker 5: But all had enough nice things for forever.
- 5:21Speaker 1: I am always you had enough nice things for like
- 5:25Speaker 1: a lifetime.
- 5:26Speaker 6: But continue whatever I'm with the president and the present stinks.
- 5:31Speaker 2: No, But again, Drake May has been the guy that
- 5:34Speaker 2: everybody hoped for. That gives some reason for optimism when
- 5:38Speaker 2: it comes to this team. Also, they're running the ball better.
- 5:40Speaker 2: They really stunk at it for most of the year,
- 5:42Speaker 2: and a lot of that, obviously is the offensive line.
- 5:44Speaker 6: David Andrews went down pretty early this season.
- 5:47Speaker 2: Now the only guy on the offensive line who's not
- 5:49Speaker 2: a replacement level starter or worse is Mike and win It.
- 5:53Speaker 6: So obviously there's been some issues there.
- 5:56Speaker 2: But the good news is that the run game, their
- 5:59Speaker 2: chemistry there is kind of getting better. So you know,
- 6:02Speaker 2: that's one kind of bright light. But now we had
- 6:04Speaker 2: to talk about literally everything else. The defense is not
- 6:08Speaker 2: as good as a lot of people anticipated.
- 6:09Speaker 6: You and I included.
- 6:10Speaker 2: I know we both thought that there was a good
- 6:12Speaker 2: chance that they could build on what they did last
- 6:14Speaker 2: season with Christian Zawa as finally healthy and that Judon
- 6:17Speaker 2: being healthy.
- 6:17Speaker 6: Obviously, Judon gets traded.
- 6:19Speaker 2: Christian Barmore has to deal with blood clotts so early
- 6:22Speaker 2: on in the summer that happened to him. He really
- 6:24Speaker 2: didn't play until just a few weeks ago. He's still
- 6:26Speaker 2: clearly getting his legs under him, still getting in football shape.
- 6:30Speaker 2: I don't really expect to know, like Christian Barmore for
- 6:32Speaker 2: the rest of the season. It's just a miracle that
- 6:34Speaker 2: he's able to get on a football field. Barmore largely
- 6:37Speaker 2: carried the defense. Last year, his ability to be disruptive
- 6:40Speaker 2: no matter what offense has tried to do to him
- 6:42Speaker 2: was a big reason they were so good against the run.
- 6:44Speaker 6: And also you have Juwan Bentley.
- 6:46Speaker 2: Last year you had Lawrence guy like he had a
- 6:48Speaker 2: lot of very good run stoppers. This year, Juwan Bentley,
- 6:51Speaker 2: another guy and another captain who goes down due to injury.
- 6:54Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger and Jabro Peppers have both been banged up
- 6:57Speaker 2: and have missed a lot of time. At times they
- 6:59Speaker 2: both miss games together, and now I think you can
- 7:02Speaker 2: kind of see that their injuries show up on the field.
- 7:05Speaker 6: They don't look nearly.
- 7:05Speaker 2: As explosive, and that's been an issue. The quarterbacks with
- 7:08Speaker 2: the Patriots, they've actually been pretty good. Jonathan Jones like
- 7:11Speaker 2: the worst game of his career against the Rams, but
- 7:14Speaker 2: everything that they can do to defenses, you know, that's
- 7:16Speaker 2: kind of tough. But the quarterbacks like Christigan Zales, he's
- 7:19Speaker 2: been fantastic. I think he deserves to be an All
- 7:21Speaker 2: Pro this season. Marcus Jones, he's you know, against Garrett
- 7:25Speaker 2: Wilson and Jalen Wattle, they had some big catches on him,
- 7:27Speaker 2: but he's been very competitive. And then you know, for
- 7:30Speaker 2: the most part, John Jones is still solid. So the
- 7:32Speaker 2: defense has been very disappointing. A lot of that has
- 7:34Speaker 2: to do with not having Bill Pelichick, a lot of
- 7:36Speaker 2: it has to do with just not enough talent or
- 7:38Speaker 2: a sufficient level of talent like they had last year.
- 7:41Speaker 2: And then you know, just coaching. Drod Mayo is very inexperienced.
- 7:44Speaker 2: He hasn't really shown that he brings anything other than
- 7:47Speaker 2: being a former player who garners respect. You don't really
- 7:51Speaker 2: see on the field, and you know, between these sixty minutes,
- 7:54Speaker 2: where is the product that Drod is supposed to be
- 7:56Speaker 2: adding All he really has seen to do is be
- 7:59Speaker 2: able to make headline because he says silly things at
- 8:01Speaker 2: press conferences. They either get taken out of context or
- 8:05Speaker 2: he just phrases poorly and then has to walk back
- 8:07Speaker 2: the next day.
- 8:07Speaker 6: So that's where we're at.
- 8:09Speaker 2: The offense is actually sneakily looking good, thanks largely to
- 8:12Speaker 2: Drake May Christian den Zal has balling out.
- 8:14Speaker 6: Everything else with the Patriots has been very, very disparting.
- 8:18Speaker 1: Early returns on Drake may for you, I kind of
- 8:21Speaker 1: want to pick your brain on that you and I had. Oh,
- 8:25Speaker 1: I think going into the draft kind of like what, uh,
- 8:29Speaker 1: whend Win did a little home and home.
- 8:30Speaker 5: We do so many home and homes with you and
- 8:32Speaker 5: I with our shows.
- 8:33Speaker 1: But yeah, a little bit when you kind of asked
- 8:36Speaker 1: me like, oh, you know, what don't you want to
- 8:37Speaker 1: see for the Patriots in the draft? And I did
- 8:41Speaker 1: not want Drake May to go to the Patriots. I
- 8:43Speaker 1: had Drake May ahead of Jayden and Daniels. Jane Daniels
- 8:45Speaker 1: has at a very very good season, like what he's
- 8:47Speaker 1: done and what Cliff Kingsbury has done. It surprised me
- 8:50Speaker 1: like at least not even just in their pairing, but
- 8:52Speaker 1: like the Kingsbury offense not hitting that like week ten
- 8:55Speaker 1: or eleven wall like they always hit.
- 8:57Speaker 5: McLaurin being unlocked.
- 8:59Speaker 1: Everything that Jane Dane knows has been able to do.
- 9:01Speaker 1: But I thought Drake May was the second best quarterback
- 9:04Speaker 1: in the draft. I really liked him. I did not
- 9:06Speaker 1: want him to go to New England. What are your
- 9:08Speaker 1: thoughts like early returns sample sizes small for both guys.
- 9:10Speaker 1: For all we know, one of them or both could
- 9:13Speaker 1: you know, flail out or become the best quarterbacks of
- 9:16Speaker 1: all time? So there's so much left to be decided here,
- 9:18Speaker 1: but early returns and thoughts on Drake may especially in
- 9:21Speaker 1: comparison to like, you know, oh no, I wish Jane
- 9:24Speaker 1: Daniels had dropped you know so and so like you know,
- 9:26Speaker 1: how do you feel right now with Megan and.
- 9:28Speaker 5: What you see?
- 9:29Speaker 2: He succeeded my expectations and I thought he was the
- 9:31Speaker 2: best quarterback in the draft in terms of the tools,
- 9:35Speaker 2: the off the field stuff, where in terms of personality,
- 9:38Speaker 2: work ethic, leadership, and the way that he kind of
- 9:41Speaker 2: presents himself as the person who obviously is trying to
- 9:44Speaker 2: be the face of a franchise.
- 9:46Speaker 6: I thought he had all those things.
- 9:48Speaker 2: I thought that it would take time before all those
- 9:49Speaker 2: really came to the forefront and you saw the leader,
- 9:52Speaker 2: the crazy talent, because there were some inconsistencies.
- 9:54Speaker 6: He's only twenty two years old. I know.
- 9:56Speaker 2: Dan Brugler mentioned that it might take a while for him,
- 9:59Speaker 2: not a while, but just take time for him to
- 10:00Speaker 2: be in an NFL locker room and kind of understand
- 10:03Speaker 2: how he fits into that whole puzzle.
- 10:05Speaker 6: He's been amazing, man like, even going.
- 10:08Speaker 2: Back to the spring in the summer, anytime we ask
- 10:10Speaker 2: a coach about him, it's Drake's doing everything that we've
- 10:12Speaker 2: asked him to do.
- 10:13Speaker 6: He is staying late, he's coming in early. He is
- 10:16Speaker 6: showing all the progress we want from him.
- 10:18Speaker 2: The only critique that we've heard from coaches that were
- 10:21Speaker 2: significant for Drake May was a turnover issue. And to
- 10:24Speaker 2: be honest, you look at the numbers, and since he
- 10:26Speaker 2: started his turnover where the play rates pretty high, especially
- 10:29Speaker 2: like it's entering in college, that was really good for him.
- 10:31Speaker 6: And early on it was like.
- 10:33Speaker 2: Yeah, a sailed pass here, a bonehead decision against the
- 10:36Speaker 2: Bears where he doesn't throw it away enough and he
- 10:38Speaker 2: gets picked off on the sideline. Like those things that
- 10:40Speaker 2: I thought were gonna pop up did happen. But the turnovers,
- 10:44Speaker 2: other than some strip sacks that was like a big issue.
- 10:47Speaker 2: Hasn't been strip sacks since against the Dolphins, which was
- 10:50Speaker 2: like maybe the biggest rookie mistake he ever made, trying
- 10:53Speaker 2: to swim zack sealer like add the ball out here,
- 10:56Speaker 2: and it was just like, oh, Drake.
- 10:57Speaker 6: No, like that's the kind of thing I give you
- 10:59Speaker 6: credit for not doing so.
- 11:01Speaker 2: But with the turnovers, it's something different most of the time,
- 11:04Speaker 2: And when you look at the most recent ones, they're
- 11:06Speaker 2: not actually his fault. It's usually when he and his
- 11:08Speaker 2: receiver just aren't on the same page. So with all
- 11:11Speaker 2: that being said, the mistakes haven't been nearly as consistent
- 11:14Speaker 2: as I thought they'd be.
- 11:15Speaker 6: He's much more accurate.
- 11:17Speaker 2: You know, the short the short passing the game, those
- 11:20Speaker 2: were big areas of concern for me.
- 11:23Speaker 6: He's been on the money.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Like a couple of weeks ago, he had to just
- 11:26Speaker 2: keep throwing a bunch of outbreakers against Guds Bradley's Cover
- 11:28Speaker 2: three defense.
- 11:29Speaker 6: He was on the money.
- 11:30Speaker 2: Every time he's throwing with the anticipation, he's manipulating defenders
- 11:33Speaker 2: the decision making. He's happy taking what defenses give him.
- 11:37Speaker 2: But when he needs to get downfield in a hurry.
- 11:40Speaker 2: You saw it last week against the Cardinals, throws a
- 11:42Speaker 2: deep bomb in the bucket to Kendrick Bourne, moves the
- 11:44Speaker 2: defender and hits Austin Hooper down the scene like you
- 11:47Speaker 2: see the aggressiveness and when he wants to be aggressive.
- 11:50Speaker 2: When he wants to be aggressive, it's like, Oh, he's
- 11:52Speaker 2: picking his spots and he's picking them well.
- 11:54Speaker 6: But what's really impressed me is.
- 11:55Speaker 2: His ability to avoid the mistakes, avoid the bad decisions, consistently,
- 12:00Speaker 2: have his eyes in the right place and when defenses
- 12:02Speaker 2: sent pressure, like when they try to get him with scheme,
- 12:04Speaker 2: for the most part, he handles it very well.
- 12:06Speaker 6: So I'm over the moon with the kid.
- 12:08Speaker 2: I think he's been fantastic, very very few criticisms outside
- 12:11Speaker 2: of things that you would expect for a first year quarterback,
- 12:13Speaker 2: and even then, I think in a lot of ways
- 12:15Speaker 2: he's playing like more of a veteran than you see
- 12:17Speaker 2: again the patents and the poise that he shows weekends
- 12:20Speaker 2: and week.
- 12:20Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been impressed with him.
- 12:21Speaker 1: And obviously I don't grind as much pats tape as
- 12:24Speaker 1: you do, but I don't know if anybody does.
- 12:26Speaker 5: But the should that's fair. That's fair.
- 12:30Speaker 7: We' just the the hopefully the level at which he's
- 12:36Speaker 7: taken what defenses have given him is the is the
- 12:39Speaker 7: big one for me.
- 12:40Speaker 1: Like so much of the North Carolina stuff was just
- 12:42Speaker 1: like crazy, Like Caleb Williams I think, got a lot
- 12:47Speaker 1: of credit and praise as this guy who could create
- 12:50Speaker 1: like something out of nothing and off script and out
- 12:52Speaker 1: of structure. But Drake may was doing a ton of
- 12:54Speaker 1: that stuff too, like flipping the ball like left handed
- 12:57Speaker 1: stuff like crazy things at North Carolina and my bigger thing,
- 13:02Speaker 1: you know, kind of to your point was like, Okay,
- 13:04Speaker 1: like how can he how can he refine and play
- 13:07Speaker 1: more quarterback, like actually playing quarterbacks similar to kind of
- 13:10Speaker 1: like the not to make the comparison and a low hanging fruit,
- 13:13Speaker 1: but because they're and they're two completely different players, but
- 13:15Speaker 1: similar to kind of like the Josh Allen conversation, like,
- 13:17Speaker 1: oh man, you got this dude with all these intangibles,
- 13:20Speaker 1: who can make these crazy plays? Can we just like
- 13:23Speaker 1: smooth him out a little bit and get him to
- 13:26Speaker 1: play quarterback and not lose the crazy awesome stuff, but
- 13:30Speaker 1: just get a little more neutral or a little more inconsistency.
- 13:33Speaker 1: And given the struggles with the offensive line, I think
- 13:36Speaker 1: his playmaking ability and athleticism has like lent it to
- 13:40Speaker 1: him being able to have success this year in a
- 13:42Speaker 1: multitude of regards. But I think he's really set like
- 13:45Speaker 1: an encouraging foundation going forward, like regardless of what happens
- 13:48Speaker 1: this season, and it's just like, Okay, we got the guy,
- 13:51Speaker 1: let's protect him. Let's maybe add some more weapons in
- 13:54Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, maybe figure things out on
- 13:56Speaker 1: the entire defensive side of the ball. But yeah, I've
- 13:59Speaker 1: been I've been impressed with may. I honestly think Caleb
- 14:02Speaker 1: Williams has done some good stuff. But I feel like
- 14:04Speaker 1: Caleb is probably third out of like the the top
- 14:07Speaker 1: three qbs this year.
- 14:08Speaker 6: In terms of like who's playing and who's done one.
- 14:12Speaker 2: Be honest, I think it's like Dayden Drake bow and.
- 14:16Speaker 1: The only thing that holds me back with that, and
- 14:17Speaker 1: this is probably doing a disservice to bon Nicks. And
- 14:19Speaker 1: also I have not watched enough Broncos offensive tape at all.
- 14:24Speaker 5: Also I saw how a bunch of Broncos people.
- 14:26Speaker 1: Just eviscerated Nate Tice because he made a comment one time,
- 14:28Speaker 1: so I wont iculous. But I just the thing that
- 14:32Speaker 1: holds me back from the bow Knicks praise is that.
- 14:36Speaker 1: I mean, like Sean Sean Payton made like Taysom Hill
- 14:39Speaker 1: work as a quarterback, Like I feel like he could
- 14:41Speaker 1: make me work as a quarterback, and my shoulder is shot.
- 14:44Speaker 1: Like that's the only thing that holds me back a little.
- 14:48Speaker 1: But Nicks deserves as flowers. I just literally have not
- 14:51Speaker 1: watched any Broncos. It's funny too, because I've watched like
- 14:53Speaker 1: six or seven games of like Broncos defense.
- 14:56Speaker 5: I not once, but let me watch the offense.
- 14:59Speaker 2: I don't think anybody he's like clamoring to watch bot Nicks,
- 15:01Speaker 2: but like, hey, he's doing what he's got to do.
- 15:03Speaker 2: He's making the plays, and at the end of the day,
- 15:05Speaker 2: like you know, Caleb Williams is a kind of a
- 15:07Speaker 2: dumpster fire situation. It's not a stare evaluation. But bo
- 15:10Speaker 2: Nicks is doing the damn things. You gotta give us flowers.
- 15:13Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Caleb Williams next year. When
- 15:15Speaker 1: Joe Brady leaves the Bills and becomes the head coach
- 15:17Speaker 1: of the Bears.
- 15:20Speaker 6: That's an idea. You're not on the Ben Johnson bandwagon.
- 15:24Speaker 1: No, I mean, there's only he can only go to
- 15:26Speaker 1: so many places or do so many things. I do
- 15:27Speaker 1: think Joe Brady maybe goes to New Orleans just because
- 15:30Speaker 1: of his LSU ties, his Saints ties, Like maybe that
- 15:32Speaker 1: works in but I mean, just with the year that
- 15:34Speaker 1: they're having, if Allan wins the MVP, if they get
- 15:37Speaker 1: past the Chiefs, like, I just think it's that Joe
- 15:40Speaker 1: Brady is going to be a super hot name for
- 15:42Speaker 1: a head coach somewhere. And I don't know if you've
- 15:44Speaker 1: got your pick if you're Joe Brady, like maybe the
- 15:46Speaker 1: Saints call is alluring enough, but like I don't know,
- 15:50Speaker 1: to go to Chicago and be like, yeah, I can
- 15:51Speaker 1: be the guy who can get the most out of
- 15:53Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and Romo Dunze and like some pieces there
- 15:57Speaker 1: and we can get some more in the I feel like, joh,
- 16:00Speaker 1: tough job, I know, right, I mean there's that, but
- 16:03Speaker 1: then if it doesn't work out, everybody in Chicago is
- 16:04Speaker 1: going to like call.
- 16:05Speaker 5: For your head after like the first preseason games.
- 16:07Speaker 1: So man, yeah, those higher arks, it's a dangerous It's
- 16:10Speaker 1: a dangerous, dangerous game. Any other thoughts high level about
- 16:13Speaker 1: the paths before we dive into the meat of this episode, Taylor, Let's.
- 16:18Speaker 2: Get into the meat, because honestly, if I keep going
- 16:20Speaker 2: at the thousand foot view, I'm gonna want to jump.
- 16:25Speaker 5: So damn that way. Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.
- 16:30Speaker 1: I wanted to ask answer a quick question in the
- 16:33Speaker 1: chat from Pops who asked. Pops said, do the Pats
- 16:35Speaker 1: play more zone or man defense? According to Sis, they
- 16:40Speaker 1: are predominantly more zone than man, as every defense is,
- 16:43Speaker 1: but they have the third highest man coverage rate on
- 16:45Speaker 1: the year, so they do play a good chunk of man,
- 16:47Speaker 1: but everybody plays more zone than man, and everybody plays
- 16:51Speaker 1: Cover three for the most part as their dominant coverage
- 16:54Speaker 1: despite the too high revolution that some people like to
- 16:56Speaker 1: act that everybody's playing too high coverages and too high
- 16:59Speaker 1: coverages only they gotta hate that conversation.
- 17:01Speaker 2: Well, the Patriots, actually that's been the one difference in
- 17:04Speaker 2: their defense. It's they're still playing a lot of they're
- 17:07Speaker 2: actually playing even more man than they have in the past,
- 17:09Speaker 2: which is saying something because they're always like top three
- 17:12Speaker 2: in man coverage rate, but really they're getting away from
- 17:15Speaker 2: the cover three with a decision I don't personally love.
- 17:17Speaker 5: Yeah, they only have a twenty three percent Cover three
- 17:19Speaker 5: rate this year, which is like low.
- 17:23Speaker 2: Usually they're like the middle of the pack because they
- 17:24Speaker 2: play a lot of Cover two as well. Now they're
- 17:26Speaker 2: playing more cover two, really more split safety period. They're
- 17:29Speaker 2: playing more Cover two. They're playing more quarters, not a ton,
- 17:32Speaker 2: but they're playing more than they used to because they
- 17:34Speaker 2: used to almost never play quarters unless they just didn't
- 17:37Speaker 2: have the guys on defense, like the year before they
- 17:40Speaker 2: got Gonzo, when they just had John Jones, Jack Jones
- 17:42Speaker 2: and Marcus Jones. They were just so undersized they couldn't
- 17:45Speaker 2: play man, so they played a ton of quarters. But
- 17:48Speaker 2: now they got Gonzo and they are playing more split
- 17:50Speaker 2: safety stuff. Also, rettle more cover zero, and it's not
- 17:53Speaker 2: worked out well for them. I pray that we do
- 17:55Speaker 2: not see Cover zero this week because I can't see
- 17:58Speaker 2: Josh Allen taking two kids to that particular challenge. I
- 18:02Speaker 2: think he would absolutely shred them if they decided to
- 18:04Speaker 2: do that. But yeah, that's the biggest difference. More Cover
- 18:06Speaker 2: two less Cover three, and that take more quarters, but
- 18:09Speaker 2: not enough that really, I think you're gonna notice the difference.
- 18:12Speaker 5: Very good insight. Yeah, I just read the data and
- 18:15Speaker 5: you gave the actual meat behind it. Well done, very
- 18:17Speaker 5: well done. Yeah. And Cover zero has not worked out
- 18:19Speaker 5: for a lot of teams.
- 18:20Speaker 1: Against the Bills, he's hit Mac Collins on touchdowns, multiple
- 18:23Speaker 1: touchdowns against the Jets. Against the Cards, he hit Amari
- 18:27Speaker 1: Cooper on a touchdown against Cover zero.
- 18:29Speaker 5: Teams go to it in like the low red zone.
- 18:32Speaker 1: Tennessee did it, and they dropped like two defensive tackles,
- 18:35Speaker 1: so it was like a Cover zero like whole type
- 18:37Speaker 1: of look, and it was a touch over.
- 18:42Speaker 6: What's the goal there?
- 18:43Speaker 5: Yeah?
- 18:44Speaker 1: And Honestly, if I'm in it, I'm surprised that the
- 18:46Speaker 1: Chiefs usually do it with success. If I'm doing anything
- 18:48Speaker 1: in the red zone, especially the low red zone against
- 18:50Speaker 1: Josh Allen on third down, I'm dropping eight and I'm
- 18:53Speaker 1: doing like a muddle rush with.
- 18:54Speaker 5: Three to kind of keep him pending.
- 18:56Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe some odd mirror type of stuff where
- 18:59Speaker 1: you're trying to get somebody to just spike inside, get
- 19:02Speaker 1: him off the spot, and then take him out with your.
- 19:03Speaker 5: Aggressive spy or flush him or funnel him somehow, some way.
- 19:06Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm throwing numbers because it's just not the one
- 19:09Speaker 1: on one stuff, just as not work for defense is enough.
- 19:11Speaker 5: But to each their own, I'm not a defensive coordinator.
- 19:13Speaker 5: What the hell do I know?
- 19:14Speaker 1: I guess Let's move on critical elements that will decide
- 19:18Speaker 1: Bills versus Patriots. For those who don't know what we're
- 19:21Speaker 1: going to do, myself and Taylor, We're each going to
- 19:23Speaker 1: give our top three matchup pieces that we think will
- 19:26Speaker 1: decide this game between the Bills and the Pats. It
- 19:28Speaker 1: could be as large scale or as granular as we want.
- 19:32Speaker 1: An entire side of the ball, a certain player, a
- 19:34Speaker 1: position group, a specific formation, alignment, call down, in distance,
- 19:39Speaker 1: area of the field. Anything and everything is up for
- 19:43Speaker 1: discussion here in this segment on this show. For those
- 19:47Speaker 1: of you watching live and playing at home, feel free
- 19:49Speaker 1: to comment with your own top three, or feel free
- 19:52Speaker 1: to ridicule or praise each of ours.
- 19:55Speaker 5: Here. The world is yours, Taylor, the floor is yours.
- 19:59Speaker 5: You are the game.
- 20:00Speaker 1: I don't know if you have them ranked. If you do,
- 20:02Speaker 1: feel free to start with them. However, which way, shape
- 20:04Speaker 1: or form you choose to you may start God's speeds.
- 20:08Speaker 6: My first one is the Patriots have got to stop
- 20:10Speaker 6: the run.
- 20:11Speaker 2: That's just it's not containing the run or you know,
- 20:14Speaker 2: because what's happened in recent weeks is they hold these
- 20:17Speaker 2: really good backs under four yards to carry, like James
- 20:19Speaker 2: Connor is still really good back three point nine yards.
- 20:22Speaker 2: I think Jonathan Taylor was at three point nine yards.
- 20:24Speaker 2: Like they've been doing a pretty decent job at that.
- 20:28Speaker 2: But the issue is it's a true three point nine
- 20:31Speaker 2: yards per carry, like the kind where yeah, sure I'll
- 20:35Speaker 2: take even if it's not exactly four, I'll take even
- 20:38Speaker 2: three because if I run it, and you know, I say,
- 20:41Speaker 2: maybe I want to go for it on fourth down,
- 20:42Speaker 2: I'm still okay, and that has allowed teams to just
- 20:45Speaker 2: basically keep the playbook open, especially since Patriots aren't blown
- 20:48Speaker 2: anybody out, so all of these games are tight and
- 20:51Speaker 2: allows offenses to still continue to rely on the ground
- 20:53Speaker 2: game as the contest goes on. And with this Bill's offense,
- 20:57Speaker 2: if you had the best rushing attack in the league
- 20:59Speaker 2: by when I was looking since at least week ten,
- 21:01Speaker 2: So this is not the kind of week where you
- 21:04Speaker 2: can just say, oh, yeah, no, it's fine if we
- 21:05Speaker 2: just keep getting the body blows, because if you do
- 21:07Speaker 2: that and then Josh Allen has the ability to just
- 21:11Speaker 2: drop back on play action and keep it downfield, you're
- 21:13Speaker 2: gonna be in a world of trouble because one of
- 21:15Speaker 2: the Patriots coverage weaknesses that's the most glaring is them
- 21:18Speaker 2: not being able to cover those intermediate or downfield in
- 21:22Speaker 2: breakers off play action because their linebackers just don't get
- 21:24Speaker 2: enough depth, their safeties don't get enough depth, and especially
- 21:27Speaker 2: if you have to respect the run, you can't just
- 21:29Speaker 2: immediately bail.
- 21:31Speaker 6: So I think if.
- 21:32Speaker 2: You just let James Cook and Ray Davis just run
- 21:34Speaker 2: the ball at will and you don't show any resistance,
- 21:37Speaker 2: then I think the Patriots are going to be in
- 21:38Speaker 2: for a really long day because I don't think you
- 21:40Speaker 2: have really any chance of stolping Josh Allen because they're
- 21:43Speaker 2: gonna be in ideal third down situations where he can
- 21:46Speaker 2: make the smart decision versus third and seven plus where.
- 21:49Speaker 6: Now the defense is dictating.
- 21:51Speaker 2: And maybe you could scheme up some kind of pressure,
- 21:52Speaker 2: because I think that's the only way they're going to
- 21:54Speaker 2: slow down the Bills offense.
- 21:56Speaker 1: Man. We you know, I was on your show before
- 21:59Speaker 1: in my life here and we talked about it a
- 22:02Speaker 1: little bit. So much of this for as much of
- 22:06Speaker 1: the conversation about Josh Allen and the MVP stuff and
- 22:08Speaker 1: everything he's done, and you know, he's legitimately having a
- 22:10Speaker 1: tremendous year, But the straw that stirs the drink, or
- 22:14Speaker 1: at least like puts the drink in the glass is
- 22:18Speaker 1: the run game for the Bills, Like so much stems
- 22:21Speaker 1: from it and what they're able to get to. Like
- 22:24Speaker 1: last year, they were you know, hitting duo early early
- 22:28Speaker 1: on to start start the year, and then they would
- 22:29Speaker 1: sprinkle in you know, dart and some concepts like that.
- 22:32Speaker 1: Then as the season went on, you know, dart and tackle,
- 22:34Speaker 1: long trap, all the pull stuff that became kind of
- 22:37Speaker 1: the thing, and then this year it's just been like
- 22:39Speaker 1: week side mid zone, like weekside mid zone, week side
- 22:41Speaker 1: mid zone, over and over and over.
- 22:43Speaker 5: And then that.
- 22:44Speaker 1: Pairs well with duo because they'll run it out of
- 22:46Speaker 1: like the same formation. They'll run it with like a
- 22:49Speaker 1: seven man surface and they'll run week side midzone to
- 22:52Speaker 1: the week side, or they can line up in that
- 22:54Speaker 1: exact same alignment in formation and personnel, but just run
- 22:57Speaker 1: duo to the tight end side.
- 22:58Speaker 6: But they raly spa what it's worth, They do the
- 23:00Speaker 6: same thing.
- 23:01Speaker 1: Yeah, And you see that with a lot of teams too,
- 23:03Speaker 1: like the Rams do it a bunch Like you get
- 23:05Speaker 1: a lot of the teams who are kind of leaning
- 23:06Speaker 1: into that type of philosophy and sequencing and pairing with
- 23:11Speaker 1: the running game, at least especially nowadays with how defenses
- 23:13Speaker 1: are playing and trying to attack. But it was really
- 23:15Speaker 1: again that week's side mid zone run. And then as
- 23:18Speaker 1: we've gone along the season, Brady started like spamming the
- 23:22Speaker 1: presentation of it and then tying that into play action
- 23:25Speaker 1: starting with the Seattle game, and then this past week
- 23:28Speaker 1: against Detroit they busted out everything, which you know is
- 23:32Speaker 1: one of the points I'm going to talk to, and
- 23:35Speaker 1: I guess I'm just kind of that that ties.
- 23:36Speaker 5: Really into my you know, my first point of just can.
- 23:39Speaker 1: The Bills offense stay on this heater that they are
- 23:43Speaker 1: on really the last like for really month or so,
- 23:46Speaker 1: but really the last three games seventeen touchdowns, no turnovers,
- 23:49Speaker 1: no sacks, thirty five points against the Chiefs, forty two
- 23:52Speaker 1: against the Rams, and a losing effort forty eight against
- 23:55Speaker 1: the Lions. But that Lions game, the run game diversity
- 24:00Speaker 1: that you got the way Brady called design and sequenced
- 24:04Speaker 1: that run game. They ran dart, they were running you know,
- 24:08Speaker 1: tackle long trap. You have multiple forms of counter out
- 24:11Speaker 1: of multiple personnel groupings and alignments. I'm talking like true
- 24:14Speaker 1: like GT counter, which they do not do like GTGF
- 24:17Speaker 1: counter like that is not staples.
- 24:19Speaker 5: They are not like a counter empower type of team.
- 24:22Speaker 1: It's it's mid zone week duo tackle pull stuff, that's it.
- 24:26Speaker 5: So they got multiple forms of counter.
- 24:27Speaker 1: They're running the mid zone stuff, they're pulling out like
- 24:30Speaker 1: wing elements like Detroit did the week before against the Packers.
- 24:34Speaker 1: That touch that touchdown to Khalil Shakir, you've got the
- 24:37Speaker 1: spinner action from Josh Allen and then Shakira is hipped
- 24:40Speaker 1: off from the wing.
- 24:41Speaker 5: You've got uh.
- 24:43Speaker 1: You know, QB sweep, QB bash GT counter dart with
- 24:46Speaker 1: a QB read attached to it. You've got tackle long
- 24:50Speaker 1: trap bash with the read from the QB attached to it.
- 24:53Speaker 1: These are all things that like I just noted as
- 24:56Speaker 1: the game went along because I was writing them down,
- 24:58Speaker 1: and then like obviously in the film study and in prepping
- 24:59Speaker 1: for the and the way Brady Brady didn't just call
- 25:03Speaker 1: these things to call them like he wasn't like, no,
- 25:05Speaker 1: I want to call like seventy five different runs this game.
- 25:08Speaker 1: So that's what I'm going to do. The way he
- 25:10Speaker 1: wove them together with play action motion misdirection, adding doubt
- 25:15Speaker 1: to the defense and being able to again just sequence
- 25:18Speaker 1: everything and make it all mesh with one another. And
- 25:23Speaker 1: that's not even talking about some of the past game
- 25:24Speaker 1: stuff and like the four strong slash, like four by
- 25:27Speaker 1: one looks they were getting too and lining up receivers
- 25:30Speaker 1: in the backfield and sending them out on tear motion
- 25:32Speaker 1: or flipping the running back at the last moment and
- 25:34Speaker 1: running you know, same side dart and all that kind
- 25:36Speaker 1: of stuff. They've just been on this schematic heater on
- 25:40Speaker 1: top of Josh Allen being on an individual heater, and
- 25:45Speaker 1: it really tapping into just.
- 25:46Speaker 5: Like pure mutant alien unicorn stuff.
- 25:49Speaker 1: You called them a super Saiyan on your show when
- 25:52Speaker 1: we just talked like he's been just like Gohan against
- 25:56Speaker 1: like perfect cell, like he just ascended and everybody's like, oh,
- 26:00Speaker 1: what is this that we're kind of seeing, and just yeah,
- 26:02Speaker 1: they've just looked like an absolute unit, like Alan is
- 26:06Speaker 1: pulling out these high variants plays without any of the
- 26:08Speaker 1: kind of riskiness attached to it. There's no Yin and Yang,
- 26:11Speaker 1: like it's just Yang, it's just the light side.
- 26:13Speaker 5: He's not. He hasn't come down to earth. The scheme
- 26:16Speaker 5: hasn't come down to Earth.
- 26:18Speaker 1: The run game from the running back side like will
- 26:20Speaker 1: falter a bit, But then Alan has been on such
- 26:22Speaker 1: a heater that even when it does falter, it hasn't mattered.
- 26:25Speaker 1: It's just been crazy to see like what they've done
- 26:28Speaker 1: offensively and how they seem to have right answers or
- 26:31Speaker 1: counters no matter what organically or kind of from like
- 26:34Speaker 1: a manufactured standpoint.
- 26:35Speaker 5: It's nuts.
- 26:37Speaker 2: That's why, if I may my second point, because it
- 26:40Speaker 2: just perfectly. Is they have to contain Josh Allen as
- 26:46Speaker 2: a runer. Now, obviously, if he's gonna sit back in
- 26:49Speaker 2: the pocket like you always have to marry Russian coverage.
- 26:52Speaker 2: That's the only way you can affect the best quarterbacks,
- 26:54Speaker 2: because if you know they have a ton of time
- 26:57Speaker 2: to throw, then you're hurting the coverage. Somebody gets up
- 26:59Speaker 2: in or if you have a great cover, or if
- 27:01Speaker 2: you get to him quickly but you don't have great coverage,
- 27:04Speaker 2: maybe he gets it out just in the nick of
- 27:06Speaker 2: time and something big happens. And when I was looking
- 27:09Speaker 2: up his scramble numbers, I knew it was crazy. He
- 27:13Speaker 2: has twelve big time scramble throws, which is twice as
- 27:17Speaker 2: many as the next closest players. He's the only player
- 27:20Speaker 2: with double digit big time scramble throws like and then
- 27:23Speaker 2: obviously you go back and you look at the Detroit
- 27:25Speaker 2: game where we talked about it on my show, the
- 27:28Speaker 2: like fifty plus garter that got to the receiver faster
- 27:31Speaker 2: than any throw that far or further has gotten to
- 27:34Speaker 2: a receiver in the next gen stats aras that going
- 27:36Speaker 2: back all the way to twenty sixteen, he's been a
- 27:39Speaker 2: freak he's gonna make his plays. We know that he's
- 27:42Speaker 2: gonna get outside the pocket at times he got to
- 27:44Speaker 2: mitigate the damage. But the pass rush he cannot have
- 27:47Speaker 2: times where like Keon White's going with a spin move
- 27:50Speaker 2: even though there's no one to really account for the quarterback,
- 27:52Speaker 2: he can't have those soft edges and just give him
- 27:54Speaker 2: these huge lanes to exploit as a runner or as
- 27:56Speaker 2: a thrower. Obviously, he's at the point in his career
- 27:59Speaker 2: now where you know he's trying to get out of
- 28:01Speaker 2: the pocket so he can throw. He'll run at the
- 28:03Speaker 2: ass too, but he's trying to throw. And then also
- 28:06Speaker 2: as a runner on design carries. The Patriots have never
- 28:09Speaker 2: really done a great job stopping Josh Allen as a runner.
- 28:12Speaker 2: Like I feel like that QB sweep when they're in
- 28:14Speaker 2: man coverage just works at least one or two times
- 28:16Speaker 2: a year. And the quarterback run game with Anthony richards
- 28:19Speaker 2: And it didn't kill them. It was like fewer than
- 28:21Speaker 2: fifty yards, but every time Richardson needed a big conversion
- 28:25Speaker 2: he got it and when he needed to punch it
- 28:26Speaker 2: in the end zone he was able to. Now, there
- 28:29Speaker 2: are a ton of ways that Josh Allen can kill you.
- 28:31Speaker 2: The Design Run game with him is kind of just
- 28:33Speaker 2: the really unfair cherry on top. It's like basically the
- 28:36Speaker 2: Philly Sneak almost for me, where it's just like, oh, yeah,
- 28:39Speaker 2: you already have this complete cheat code of you know,
- 28:42Speaker 2: for the Eagles it's an offensive line, let's also just
- 28:44Speaker 2: give a play that nobody can stop. And then with
- 28:47Speaker 2: Josh Allen, when you have to think about the Design
- 28:49Speaker 2: run game while you're also thinking about James Cook and
- 28:51Speaker 2: then just what he can do as a pass here, it's.
- 28:54Speaker 6: A lot to deal with.
- 28:54Speaker 2: But if the Patriots don't once again, it will be
- 28:57Speaker 2: a very very long day and potentially another blowout on
- 29:01Speaker 2: drod Mail's rookie resume.
- 29:03Speaker 6: He cannot afford another one.
- 29:04Speaker 1: I will tell you that, Yeah, it's just I'm trying
- 29:08Speaker 1: not to just be like yeah, it like doesn't look
- 29:10Speaker 1: good because I just the paranoid that.
- 29:12Speaker 5: Exists in.
- 29:16Speaker 2: So.
- 29:16Speaker 1: I looked up per sis of there are how many
- 29:20Speaker 1: players all all positions included. There are seventy five players
- 29:24Speaker 1: that have at least fifty carries on the year.
- 29:28Speaker 5: Now pay epa per attempt.
- 29:31Speaker 1: Generally and genuinely, I guess favors quarterbacks because scrambles usually
- 29:36Speaker 1: skew the numbers. It's usually for conversions first downs, you know,
- 29:39Speaker 1: added yards in that SITH significant for EPA, which is
- 29:43Speaker 1: expected points added. But Allen on the year as we
- 29:47Speaker 1: stand right now, is first out of all seventy five
- 29:51Speaker 1: players in e PA per attempt at zero point four
- 29:55Speaker 1: to nine e PA per attempt. Pat Mahomes is second
- 30:00Speaker 1: at point three six, so that is a significant gap
- 30:03Speaker 1: between he and Mahomes. And then even further Brock Purtyu
- 30:07Speaker 1: is third and he's at point twenty nine, so there's.
- 30:10Speaker 6: A point twenty.
- 30:12Speaker 1: Difference between Alan at one and Purty at three. Even
- 30:15Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels is fourth at zero point twenty seven, like
- 30:19Speaker 1: it's just the level at which he's operated. And then
- 30:22Speaker 1: he also has a uh A success rate of sixty
- 30:25Speaker 1: two point six, which is second highest.
- 30:28Speaker 6: Honestly lower than I would have expected.
- 30:30Speaker 1: Fair Hurdia is first at sixty four point four. Jayden
- 30:33Speaker 1: Daniels is third at fifty seven point one, so there's
- 30:36Speaker 1: a good gap between Allen and Daniels as well.
- 30:38Speaker 5: Just like what he's done on the ground, the.
- 30:40Speaker 1: Design stuff obviously, the QB sneaks and the stuff inside
- 30:44Speaker 1: the five where he's scoring. It impacts the EPA numbers,
- 30:48Speaker 1: but the success rate stuff is there too. It's not
- 30:50Speaker 1: just you know, the points that are skewing it. And
- 30:54Speaker 1: how he's tied that run ability, especially from a scrambling standpoint,
- 31:00Speaker 1: but now tying it into like these high variants explosives
- 31:03Speaker 1: with his arm and again you and I feel like
- 31:05Speaker 1: he keep saying this. You and I talked about it
- 31:07Speaker 1: on your show. That's where this Bill's offense lived for
- 31:09Speaker 1: a while in the past. Game like the instructure pass
- 31:12Speaker 1: stuff was not working great, especially from like a chunk
- 31:14Speaker 1: play perspective. If they were generating a chunk play, it
- 31:17Speaker 1: was pretty much Alan like scrambling. It was you know,
- 31:20Speaker 1: the play to Kalio Secury against the Baltimore Ravens. It
- 31:23Speaker 1: was him making these ridiculous plays with his legs at
- 31:26Speaker 1: first and then with his arm and having that come together.
- 31:31Speaker 5: What he's become is such a force in and of itself.
- 31:34Speaker 1: But then when you factor it on top of like
- 31:36Speaker 1: the run game, meaning like he doesn't have to do
- 31:38Speaker 1: that all the time, so when he does have to
- 31:41Speaker 1: do it, it's almost like you're kind of just keeping
- 31:43Speaker 1: the horse in the stable and he just gets to
- 31:45Speaker 1: sit and chill, and then you're finally like or like
- 31:47Speaker 1: even like a starting pitcher, like you're throwing your bullpen sessions.
- 31:50Speaker 1: Then once every fifth day they're like, Okay, I need
- 31:53Speaker 1: you to go out there and throw seven innings right now,
- 31:54Speaker 1: and like do your thing. But in between you can
- 31:56Speaker 1: kind of just coast. That's what he's getting and I
- 31:59Speaker 1: think that's part the reason you're seeing so much success
- 32:01Speaker 1: for him in so much efficiency because the run game
- 32:04Speaker 1: helps him. He's playing within himself so and then when
- 32:07Speaker 1: he does have to go for those high variants plays,
- 32:09Speaker 1: he's hitting him because he's not taxed so much physically
- 32:13Speaker 1: or mentally, and so much isn't asked of him. But yeah,
- 32:15Speaker 1: the numbers like what he's hitting on. Obviously the tape
- 32:18Speaker 1: speaks for the tape, but the numbers are just like
- 32:22Speaker 1: so many ways like passing, no matter who you use
- 32:24Speaker 1: and who choose charts for EPA, he just crushes it
- 32:28Speaker 1: in so much. And I wonder how the Pats try
- 32:32Speaker 1: and hem him in and from an athleticism standpoint, like
- 32:35Speaker 1: how do you eye him who's trying to match up?
- 32:39Speaker 1: Like if someone's trying to chase him down, who is
- 32:41Speaker 1: it like I don't know, I feel like you have
- 32:43Speaker 1: to make Christian Gonzales like spy Josh Allen, and even that,
- 32:45Speaker 1: I mean, Alan outweighs him by I don't know, sixty
- 32:48Speaker 1: pounds maybe, Like there's just like, no, it's just fun
- 32:51Speaker 1: to play these games of like.
- 32:52Speaker 5: Who would you match up one on one? It's like
- 32:53Speaker 5: they don't have one.
- 32:54Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't think anybody really has a
- 32:56Speaker 2: great answer in terms of a spy for Josh Allen
- 32:58Speaker 2: because it's not like, obviously Lamar is so different as
- 33:02Speaker 2: a runner, but he's elusive. So it's like, if you
- 33:06Speaker 2: can get somebody who's a very good tackler in space
- 33:08Speaker 2: and fast, you have a.
- 33:10Speaker 6: Better chance than not to tackle him. Although it's not
- 33:12Speaker 6: a very good chance period, But with.
- 33:14Speaker 2: Josh, he can run around you or through you, and
- 33:16Speaker 2: there's not a lot of guys in the NFL like
- 33:18Speaker 2: that where truly it's kind of intimidating the thought of
- 33:21Speaker 2: having to tackle him. I think it's probably gonna be
- 33:23Speaker 2: Brendan school or the Patriots have what's called the Longhorn
- 33:25Speaker 2: package because Schooler went to Texas. He's mostly been a
- 33:29Speaker 2: special teamer for them, but now they've been using him
- 33:31Speaker 2: as more of a spy. He's been good in that role.
- 33:33Speaker 2: Christian ellis a really athletic linebacker. He's playing more than
- 33:36Speaker 2: he should have to. But last week he had a
- 33:39Speaker 2: really impressive tackle and spased on Kyler Murray. So I
- 33:41Speaker 2: figured it's probably gonna be those two guys. But the
- 33:44Speaker 2: Josh Allen career arcic. Really he's kind of similar to
- 33:46Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. It feels like where now they built around
- 33:50Speaker 2: him so he doesn't have to be Superman all the time.
- 33:52Speaker 2: You'd like to be able to lean on your ground
- 33:54Speaker 2: game and not ask him to constantly do all these
- 33:55Speaker 2: crazy things, because yeah, they can do it. But if
- 33:58Speaker 2: you ask any quarterback to play outside of structure that consistently,
- 34:02Speaker 2: it's a.
- 34:02Speaker 6: Tough place to live.
- 34:03Speaker 2: And with Mahomes, it was the whole Andy Reid like, hey,
- 34:05Speaker 2: first two and a half seconds, my play buddy. After that,
- 34:09Speaker 2: do what you want, and Mahomes learning, Okay, I you
- 34:11Speaker 2: know I need to play with instructure, but when I
- 34:14Speaker 2: need to put the capon, I'll put the capon. And
- 34:15Speaker 2: I could be that guy with Josh Allen, obviously, the
- 34:18Speaker 2: discipline was the thing that was really holding him back.
- 34:20Speaker 2: But now you're finally seeing, Oh, he's taking all the
- 34:23Speaker 2: easy stuff, and then when he has to do crazy
- 34:26Speaker 2: Josh Allen stuff, he can also do crazy Josh Allen stuff.
- 34:29Speaker 2: He just doesn't have to do it to survive. He
- 34:32Speaker 2: does it, and it allows the Bills to thrive.
- 34:34Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing where the Bill's offense got
- 34:36Speaker 1: into so much trouble, even like, you know, I think
- 34:40Speaker 1: people saw Brian Dables Bill's offense through like rose colored
- 34:44Speaker 1: glasses once he left, because there was some when he
- 34:47Speaker 1: was here, there were so many people who were just
- 34:49Speaker 1: yelling at Dable.
- 34:50Speaker 5: All the time for like the Bills offense.
- 34:52Speaker 1: And then I think, I, you know, so I think
- 34:54Speaker 1: he got you know, I think people were too positive
- 34:57Speaker 1: about him on his way out and too harsh while
- 34:59Speaker 1: he was here. Dorsey, I think just got too much
- 35:01Speaker 1: hate overall. But both Dorsey's offense and gables offense. You know,
- 35:07Speaker 1: my joke for a lot with Eric in the film
- 35:10Speaker 1: room was just like if you open up the Bills playbook,
- 35:12Speaker 1: it was just a picture of Josh Allen like doing
- 35:14Speaker 1: different things, Like there weren't plays. It was just a
- 35:16Speaker 1: picture of Allen doing different like athletic or like cool things.
- 35:19Speaker 1: Now there is more structure and semblance to the offense.
- 35:24Speaker 1: And you know, whether it, you know, ironically ties into
- 35:28Speaker 1: the Mahomes trajectory or not, it's so hard to like,
- 35:31Speaker 1: it's so hard to ignore that given like how the
- 35:35Speaker 1: Chiefs went from being like this big explosive play team, like,
- 35:37Speaker 1: now we're gonna trade Tyreek Hill and just throw for
- 35:40Speaker 1: a low average depth of target. We're gonna use twelve
- 35:43Speaker 1: and thirteen personnel, We're gonna run the football. And then
- 35:46Speaker 1: then the Bills are like, you.
- 35:47Speaker 5: Know what we're not.
- 35:48Speaker 1: We're gonna go a lower average depth of target, We're
- 35:50Speaker 1: going to use more tight ends, and you know.
- 35:52Speaker 5: We're gonna run the football. And then the rest of
- 35:53Speaker 5: the NFL was like, yeah, we think we're gonna do
- 35:55Speaker 5: that too.
- 35:55Speaker 1: And then the Ravens are like, we've been doing that
- 35:57Speaker 1: for years with like pat Riccard and wild stuff, and
- 36:00Speaker 1: nobody pays attention to us or gives us credit, but yeah,
- 36:02Speaker 1: it's just an The way I think my biggest thing
- 36:05Speaker 1: with Joe Brady is the way the Bills offense moved.
- 36:08Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound like I'm not giving credit,
- 36:10Speaker 1: but the way the Bills offense moved this year. It's
- 36:13Speaker 1: just the way football is trending, and it's just like
- 36:15Speaker 1: embracing that trend and going with it, like heavier personnel,
- 36:19Speaker 1: getting into more condensed formations, motion leverage, speed of motion,
- 36:24Speaker 1: rate of motion, different kinds, having a run game, the
- 36:27Speaker 1: versatility and run game diversity with it and play action
- 36:30Speaker 1: and marrying all of it and just yeah, watching a
- 36:33Speaker 1: click has been really, really very impressive.
- 36:36Speaker 5: So you've given your first two points? Correct am I
- 36:38Speaker 5: correct in that? I never know.
- 36:42Speaker 1: I never order them because I'm like they're all equal.
- 36:44Speaker 1: And then I did I say this every time I
- 36:46Speaker 1: do a show, I'm always like I'm gonna do all right,
- 36:48Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this next one. So the Bills defense
- 36:52Speaker 1: got hou is from a point's perspective against the Lions.
- 36:55Speaker 1: I put this out on Twitter earlier today. I did
- 36:58Speaker 1: the whole I don't know where it's from initially, but
- 37:00Speaker 1: the like the picture of like the guy standing up
- 37:03Speaker 1: and it's always like you caption it with something like
- 37:05Speaker 1: you're standing up for and mine was like, I actually
- 37:07Speaker 1: liked a lot of what the Bills did schematically and
- 37:09Speaker 1: with several individuals against the Lions, even though they got
- 37:12Speaker 1: forty two points hung on them. It was fourteen points
- 37:15Speaker 1: through pretty much the end of the third quarter and
- 37:17Speaker 1: then just a wild explosion in the fourth.
- 37:19Speaker 5: In a lot of ways, but what.
- 37:21Speaker 1: You saw from the Bills defense a lot of fun
- 37:24Speaker 1: like they're doing, you know, and I'll get into some
- 37:27Speaker 1: of the schematic stuff in a bit, But what you
- 37:30Speaker 1: saw still at the end of the day against the
- 37:32Speaker 1: Lions and against the Rams, from a points standpoint, not great.
- 37:35Speaker 1: And then if you look at it from an advanced
- 37:36Speaker 1: metrics standpoint, the last two weeks, the Bills defense their
- 37:39Speaker 1: last in EPA per dropback, They're twenty ninth in dropback
- 37:44Speaker 1: success rate, They're thirty first in overall EPA per play.
- 37:48Speaker 1: And again I think they did better against Detroit than
- 37:50Speaker 1: they get credit for. They really emphasize shutting down the run,
- 37:53Speaker 1: like from the get go, seven eight, nine guys in
- 37:57Speaker 1: the box, they're run blitz in, they're attacking, they are
- 38:00Speaker 1: coming forward there. Everything was about, you know, putting the
- 38:03Speaker 1: Lions on the back foot a little bit, even something
- 38:06Speaker 1: that they never do.
- 38:07Speaker 5: Early on.
- 38:09Speaker 1: Lions go condensed, Kyri Elam and Christian Benford are both
- 38:14Speaker 1: in press alignment on the number one receiver on each
- 38:17Speaker 1: side and they run a double corner blitz. The running
- 38:19Speaker 1: back picks up Kyrie Benford comes free and it's a sack.
- 38:22Speaker 1: They do not run double corner blitz like ever. They
- 38:25Speaker 1: don't blitz a ton in general. But they were just
- 38:27Speaker 1: playing on the forefront four foot I think I don't
- 38:30Speaker 1: know how much of it was Detroit specific versus Detroit,
- 38:35Speaker 1: and the RAMS operates similarly offensively, and they were like,
- 38:37Speaker 1: we got legitimately killed against the Rams. That's not gonna
- 38:40Speaker 1: happen again. We're flipping the script and attacking. They were,
- 38:43Speaker 1: so they shut down the run. They blitzed. They utilized
- 38:46Speaker 1: multiple fronts like they're using that. They use the type
- 38:48Speaker 1: front on multiple occasions, which you do not see. Everything
- 38:52Speaker 1: is pretty much four down, four to three over. You
- 38:54Speaker 1: kind of know what you're gonna get. They're utilizing multiple fronts.
- 38:57Speaker 1: They're covering the center up on a lot of stuff
- 39:00Speaker 1: to create five zero man on man protection, and then
- 39:03Speaker 1: they're blitzing and dropping guys like two things that I
- 39:05Speaker 1: thought were really cool. They they used the tight front.
- 39:08Speaker 1: So for those who don't know, you know you have
- 39:10Speaker 1: a four eye so basically you have a GUYE line
- 39:12Speaker 1: up on the inside shoulder the offensive tackle. That's the
- 39:15Speaker 1: that's the you know, the four eye. You've got a
- 39:17Speaker 1: guideline head up on the center, that's your zero tech.
- 39:19Speaker 1: And then you have another guy line up on the
- 39:21Speaker 1: inside shoulder of the offensive tackle, so a four eye
- 39:24Speaker 1: zero four ie. They do it once where it's all
- 39:28Speaker 1: defensive linemen typical. Right, the next time they do it,
- 39:32Speaker 1: you have a defensive lineman as a four eye. You
- 39:35Speaker 1: have Ed Oliver as your zero Terrell Bernard is lined
- 39:38Speaker 1: up as the other four eye. Just so creative pieces
- 39:42Speaker 1: what they're doing, what they're leaning into like I did,
- 39:44Speaker 1: like what they did against the Lions.
- 39:46Speaker 5: They utilize multiple fronts, They attack protections.
- 39:49Speaker 1: They were running stunts, twists, games up front, you know,
- 39:52Speaker 1: games between they usually if they run stunts, it's just
- 39:55Speaker 1: like typical tackle tackle end stunt or end tackle, so
- 39:59Speaker 1: your typical stuff. They were running twists between the zero
- 40:02Speaker 1: tech and the linebacker behind him. They're running twist between
- 40:05Speaker 1: both defensive tackles. They were getting after it, but obviously
- 40:10Speaker 1: gave up the forty two points. Legitimately got housed by
- 40:13Speaker 1: the Rams. The Rams had their way with them on
- 40:15Speaker 1: the ground early and then that led to a lot.
- 40:17Speaker 5: Of single high coverage and the Rams eight in the past.
- 40:20Speaker 1: But I say all that to say this, the Patriots
- 40:23Speaker 1: offense has had some struggles this year, but last year again,
- 40:26Speaker 1: maybe it's just my paranoia. That first game against New
- 40:29Speaker 1: England in New England horrible. I remember sitting here with
- 40:32Speaker 1: you and having this conversation and we were just going
- 40:34Speaker 1: over all these metrics, like whether it was mac Jones,
- 40:36Speaker 1: whether it was the Pats offense as a whole. Everything
- 40:39Speaker 1: was like, the Patriots offense is terrible, The Patriots offense
- 40:41Speaker 1: is terrible. They go to New England, the Pats hang
- 40:45Speaker 1: twenty nine on them, including the game winning touchdown drive
- 40:48Speaker 1: after the Bills take the lead, and mac Jones just
- 40:51Speaker 1: moves him down the field as if he's frigging Brady.
- 40:54Speaker 1: They gave up twenty nine to an abysmal Pats offense
- 40:56Speaker 1: and made it look like mac.
- 40:57Speaker 5: Jones was the Prince that was promised.
- 40:59Speaker 1: Drake May full time starter since Week six, nineteenth over
- 41:04Speaker 1: on EPA per play fifteenth and success rate tenth in
- 41:08Speaker 1: completion percentage over expected. His numbers and his play on
- 41:11Speaker 1: tape are significantly better this year than what mac Jones
- 41:16Speaker 1: was last year. When the Pats beat the Bills, But
- 41:19Speaker 1: does Drake may look like.
- 41:20Speaker 5: The prince that was promised? Like can the run game
- 41:23Speaker 5: get going a little bit? Like?
- 41:25Speaker 1: How much of these Bills defensive vulnerabilities that we've seen
- 41:29Speaker 1: are game script specific, matchup specific, team specific or is
- 41:35Speaker 1: there something that's been found out a little bit? And
- 41:37Speaker 1: do we continue to see the interior get displaced against
- 41:40Speaker 1: the run? Do we see teams get downhill and gouge
- 41:43Speaker 1: them in the spine? Do we see teams go condensed
- 41:46Speaker 1: and be able to attack them outside the numbers with regularity?
- 41:49Speaker 1: How much does game script matter and getting teams away
- 41:52Speaker 1: from the run and taking that aspect away. So that's
- 41:55Speaker 1: my big number two. Like these Bills defensive I guess
- 41:58Speaker 1: I'll put them in quotes vulnerabilities. How much of them
- 42:00Speaker 1: are here to stay or how much of them were
- 42:02Speaker 1: matchup or opponents specific the last two weeks? Given that
- 42:06Speaker 1: how the Lions and Rams operate schematically naturally gives the
- 42:10Speaker 1: Bills problems because of their motion and the way they
- 42:12Speaker 1: attack with leverage, and then they also have really good
- 42:14Speaker 1: offensive minds and really good players on top of it.
- 42:17Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of leads into my third point, to
- 42:19Speaker 6: be honest.
- 42:19Speaker 2: So for me, the Patriots do have to stay on schedule,
- 42:22Speaker 2: and that's like, yeah, nope, duh, that's kind of how
- 42:24Speaker 2: you win in the NFL.
- 42:25Speaker 6: But there are some.
- 42:26Speaker 5: Teams that score more points than your opponent.
- 42:29Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, just simple things like that. They're
- 42:31Speaker 2: kind of important football games. But for the Patriots, they've
- 42:34Speaker 2: actually done a pretty good job because if you look
- 42:36Speaker 2: at going back to Week ten, all the efficiency numbers
- 42:39Speaker 2: in like the EP pay per play really not explosiveness,
- 42:42Speaker 2: but if you look at consistency, they've been one of
- 42:44Speaker 2: the best offenses in the NFL.
- 42:45Speaker 6: They have the ability to move the ball.
- 42:47Speaker 2: A lot of that is because the run game's starting
- 42:49Speaker 2: to get going where Antonio Gibson, if you look he
- 42:52Speaker 2: doesn't get a ton of opportunities, but if you look
- 42:54Speaker 2: at like a per play basis, he's been one of
- 42:56Speaker 2: the most efficient backs in the NFL over the past
- 42:59Speaker 2: month and a half. Romandrie Stevenson's not making people miss
- 43:02Speaker 2: quite as much, but it does seem like he's getting
- 43:04Speaker 2: some positive momentum going basically just run behind Mike and
- 43:07Speaker 2: went Who and whoever's around Mike and Wan Who, and
- 43:10Speaker 2: it's usually a pretty good strategy. They've been able to
- 43:12Speaker 2: do that in the past few weeks. That's really helped them.
- 43:15Speaker 2: Drake May, like we talked about earlier, the Patriots receiving
- 43:18Speaker 2: corp doesn't really scare you, but they've got guys like
- 43:20Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, to a degree, Kendrick Bourne, where
- 43:24Speaker 2: there are at least pros. Now, Kendrick Born makes a
- 43:26Speaker 2: lot of mistakes, so sometimes when I use that pro moniker,
- 43:28Speaker 2: I feel like it's not totally true. But you also
- 43:31Speaker 2: do see that he just has more experience than the
- 43:34Speaker 2: other guys when like plays breakdown or what have you,
- 43:37Speaker 2: it just seems like he and Drake May are a
- 43:38Speaker 2: little more on the same page. So the receivers don't
- 43:41Speaker 2: really scare you, but Drake May can maximize the guys
- 43:43Speaker 2: around him, which was obviously what you hope from him.
- 43:45Speaker 6: Coming out of the draft, because he's gonna put it
- 43:47Speaker 6: on the money.
- 43:48Speaker 2: You just got to actually make the catch, which Patriots
- 43:50Speaker 2: receivers haven't always been doing. It's led to his last
- 43:52Speaker 2: two interceptions both went off his receiver's hands. But so
- 43:56Speaker 2: I say all that to say the running game has
- 43:59Speaker 2: been pretty good. It's been there for you, it's inconsistent.
- 44:01Speaker 2: There are times where it just falters. That literally the
- 44:04Speaker 2: worst times, like you know, at the four yard line
- 44:07Speaker 2: on third and one and then fourth and one, or
- 44:09Speaker 2: you know against the against the Colts when you really
- 44:12Speaker 2: need a conversion in scoring territory and you don't get it.
- 44:14Speaker 2: Like those times, the run game falters, and that's really unfortunate.
- 44:17Speaker 2: But they've mostly been good, but the offensive line continuously
- 44:21Speaker 2: puts this team in bad positions, whether it's penalties, whether
- 44:25Speaker 2: it's completely blown assignments, whatever, it's low snaps. Last week,
- 44:29Speaker 2: Ben Brown, their backup center, put it on the turf
- 44:31Speaker 2: two times. It went down as fumbles on the stat sheet.
- 44:34Speaker 2: Like every time they're gaining momentum and doing something good,
- 44:38Speaker 2: some ridiculous usually mental error happens and then they end
- 44:42Speaker 2: up getting behind the eight ball and they're not good
- 44:44Speaker 2: enough to live in that kind of world. Drake may
- 44:46Speaker 2: can get them out of it every once in a while,
- 44:48Speaker 2: but they just can't do it on a consistent basis.
- 44:50Speaker 6: So the big thing here is, like.
- 44:52Speaker 2: You can move the ball finishing drives, that's gonna be
- 44:55Speaker 2: another area.
- 44:55Speaker 6: Where they need to have a strong emphasis. But they
- 44:57Speaker 6: punch it in two or three times last week.
- 45:00Speaker 2: Fully you can continue to build on that, but stop
- 45:02Speaker 2: shooting yourselves in the foot with these penalties if you're
- 45:04Speaker 2: the Patriots, because if you do that, you are going
- 45:07Speaker 2: to put yourself in an impossible position against Obviously, you
- 45:10Speaker 2: know the Bill's defense is struggling to a degree, but
- 45:13Speaker 2: as you mentioned, they're doing a whole lot of stuff
- 45:15Speaker 2: that's really interesting schematically, So they're not the same defense
- 45:17Speaker 2: you've seen. And obviously Josh Allen, James Cook and that
- 45:20Speaker 2: Bill's offense are what they are. So just don't hurt
- 45:23Speaker 2: yourself offensively, and I do think they can maybe keep
- 45:26Speaker 2: this competitive.
- 45:28Speaker 1: It's funny how our points keep weaving into one another seamlessly.
- 45:31Speaker 1: That ties imperfectly to my third point. Real quick, I
- 45:34Speaker 1: wanted to pull some stuff on the Patriots O line.
- 45:37Speaker 1: It's not great per sorry, per it's not that's fine
- 45:43Speaker 1: per PFF. They have the lowest pass blocking efficiency score
- 45:48Speaker 1: on the year. For reference, the Broncos are first at
- 45:51Speaker 1: ninety one point eight. The Patriots are last at seventy
- 45:55Speaker 1: eight point five.
- 45:56Speaker 5: So that is that's significant drop right there.
- 46:00Speaker 1: Power success from FTN Fantasy, which something that I really like.
- 46:06Speaker 1: It is the percentage of runs Basically on third or
- 46:09Speaker 1: fourth down, two yards are less to go that get
- 46:11Speaker 1: you either a first down or a touchdown. It also
- 46:13Speaker 1: includes first and goal or second and goal from the
- 46:16Speaker 1: two yard line or closer. When you look at power
- 46:19Speaker 1: success rate, the Patriots are twenty seventh.
- 46:22Speaker 5: In that regard.
- 46:23Speaker 1: And then another one that I like to is stuff percentage,
- 46:26Speaker 1: which is just percentage of runs where the running backs
- 46:28Speaker 1: tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage.
- 46:31Speaker 5: Higher like the higher percentage, the worst. That is.
- 46:34Speaker 1: The Patriots are eighteenth in the league in that regard.
- 46:37Speaker 1: So they're not too crazy or too bad with that,
- 46:38Speaker 1: but you look at a lot of the metrics and
- 46:42Speaker 1: where they stand from an offensive line perspective, you want
- 46:45Speaker 1: to put it together. Even without the tape, it's not great.
- 46:48Speaker 1: And then they also have the second highest quarterback pressure
- 46:51Speaker 1: rate on the year at forty point eight. Yeah I
- 46:55Speaker 1: on the offensive side. Yeah, they're only behind the Titans
- 46:57Speaker 1: at forty point nine. Sorry, I'm I'm not I'm I'm
- 47:01Speaker 1: not trying to be mean. I just wanted to know
- 47:04Speaker 1: these women homes.
- 47:05Speaker 2: It's mandatory that we have at least one section where
- 47:08Speaker 2: you haze me with bad people.
- 47:10Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, Okay.
- 47:12Speaker 6: It's okay. They're bad.
- 47:13Speaker 2: It's not your fault. It's not my fault. They're the
- 47:15Speaker 2: ones putting up the stats.
- 47:17Speaker 6: You got to inform your listeners. I just got to
- 47:19Speaker 6: sit here and be a good sport. I'm crazy.
- 47:21Speaker 5: I'm not doing it to be mean. It's just part
- 47:23Speaker 5: of the conversation, just part of the conversation. I'm also
- 47:26Speaker 5: very wary because this is very similar to.
- 47:29Speaker 1: How the conversation went last year for their first game,
- 47:32Speaker 1: Like we we you and I both talked about just
- 47:33Speaker 1: how bad the offense is on tape and schematically, and
- 47:36Speaker 1: then yeah, they come out and hang twenty nine. So
- 47:39Speaker 1: I just I want to keep putting it out there
- 47:42Speaker 1: before we see the Bills get like no pressures and
- 47:44Speaker 1: Drake maygo for like four hundred yards and four touchdowns
- 47:47Speaker 1: and everybody's.
- 47:47Speaker 5: Like, you said their line sucked, you said they would
- 47:50Speaker 5: be able to do anything. Yeah, like just what crazy
- 47:52Speaker 5: things can happen?
- 47:54Speaker 6: But they all right.
- 47:56Speaker 1: The piece that you said ties really in our ties
- 47:59Speaker 1: really well into my third point long title here Ford
- 48:02Speaker 1: for me, how much schematic variety do we see from
- 48:06Speaker 1: the Bills on either side of the ball slash. Do
- 48:09Speaker 1: they need to use schematic variety to beat the New
- 48:12Speaker 1: England Patriots? Again, I touched down in a little bit
- 48:14Speaker 1: offensively and defensively, but we really saw the Bills against
- 48:18Speaker 1: Detroit get into a lot of looks defensively and offensively
- 48:23Speaker 1: that they traditionally do not do.
- 48:25Speaker 5: They are very much even for the offense.
- 48:29Speaker 1: For as successful as it's been, they really just spam
- 48:32Speaker 1: several run concepts. Depending on the matchup, that'll spam several
- 48:36Speaker 1: you know, pass concepts. They might you know, tweak the presentation. Okay,
- 48:39Speaker 1: we're gonna do it out of you know type, We're
- 48:41Speaker 1: gonna do it out of spread and motion A guy
- 48:43Speaker 1: in and then we'll run smash and we'll switch who's
- 48:46Speaker 1: the corner in, who's the china, and who's the underneath
- 48:48Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff, like little tweaks here and there,
- 48:50Speaker 1: so you can't just completely key in. But it's not
- 48:53Speaker 1: a ton of like you pretty much know what you're
- 48:55Speaker 1: gonna get on both sides of the ball. And again
- 48:57Speaker 1: just I don't know, I'm gonna say this game because
- 49:00Speaker 1: I do think it's important. I don't know how much
- 49:03Speaker 1: schematic variety we saw against the lions, Like would that
- 49:07Speaker 1: have happened all?
- 49:09Speaker 2: Like?
- 49:09Speaker 1: Was that the plan already or did they bust out
- 49:12Speaker 1: more of that because of how bad the RAMS game went, Like,
- 49:15Speaker 1: I want to know how much of the schematic variety
- 49:18Speaker 1: we saw on both sides was like, Hey, we cannot
- 49:21Speaker 1: lose this game.
- 49:23Speaker 5: We need to win this one.
- 49:24Speaker 1: Let's pull out some of the stops and or we're pissed,
- 49:29Speaker 1: let's come out and boat try and boat race these
- 49:31Speaker 1: dudes at home, like we're going out swinging, or again,
- 49:33Speaker 1: was it just like no, this was this was gonna
- 49:36Speaker 1: be the game plan regardless, And you know, here's what
- 49:37Speaker 1: it was, because again, they just got into so many
- 49:40Speaker 1: looks offensively and defensively, the tight front stuff like the
- 49:43Speaker 1: five zero protection and man protection stuff they were creating,
- 49:47Speaker 1: the blitz looks, all the heavy boxes that they were
- 49:50Speaker 1: going with, and then offensively, just the way they were
- 49:52Speaker 1: going to counter and the way they got into dart
- 49:54Speaker 1: and the presentation with the motion and the personnel and alignment.
- 49:57Speaker 1: All of that really was it was fun and it
- 49:59Speaker 1: was good to see, but a lot of it was
- 50:01Speaker 1: stuff that they very rarely or never press the button for.
- 50:07Speaker 1: And so I wonder how much we see that in
- 50:09Speaker 1: this game, and I wonder how much they need to, Like,
- 50:13Speaker 1: is this a game where it's tied in the third
- 50:14Speaker 1: quarter and they're like, you know what, we have to
- 50:16Speaker 1: keep pace with the Chiefs. We want that one seed.
- 50:19Speaker 1: Let's bust out some stuff a little bit. Or is
- 50:21Speaker 1: this game decided as the second half starts and they're like,
- 50:24Speaker 1: we're just gonna run duo and then just play you know,
- 50:27Speaker 1: quarters and cover three and that's it and go home
- 50:31Speaker 1: and stay home and that's it. Like how much do
- 50:33Speaker 1: they need to use it? How much do they use it?
- 50:36Speaker 1: How much does the matchup dictate it? Because yeah, I'm
- 50:39Speaker 1: still very like that's my biggest takeaway from that Bills
- 50:43Speaker 1: and Lions game, just how much variety we saw on
- 50:46Speaker 1: both sides of the ball that we traditionally do not see,
- 50:49Speaker 1: Like things that it was like, oh like they might
- 50:51Speaker 1: do this here and there that they did a bunch more,
- 50:53Speaker 1: or things that they never do that they did. They
- 50:57Speaker 1: really feel like they were kind of like empty in
- 50:58Speaker 1: the clip a little bit and worked out especially offensively
- 51:02Speaker 1: and a little bit more on defensively than I think
- 51:04Speaker 1: it's getting credit for it.
- 51:05Speaker 2: I think defensively it would be a good idea to
- 51:07Speaker 2: have some variety and show some different things because I
- 51:09Speaker 2: think Drake May it's the kind of quarterback even already
- 51:13Speaker 2: where you need to spend the dial on him because
- 51:15Speaker 2: if he knows what's coming pre snap, he's locked in
- 51:17Speaker 2: and he does a pretty good job exploiting things offensively.
- 51:21Speaker 2: For the Bills, I think, do you need to get
- 51:24Speaker 2: fancy and you know a lot of window dressing and
- 51:27Speaker 2: all that, I don't think you do. I just don't
- 51:29Speaker 2: think this is a talented enough defense where realistically they're
- 51:32Speaker 2: gonna be able to stop the Bills from doing whatever
- 51:35Speaker 2: they want to do on a pretty conticipate basis outside
- 51:37Speaker 2: of maybe throwing whoever Christian Zalez is covering. That's gonna
- 51:40Speaker 2: be the one thing that they are gonna do very
- 51:41Speaker 2: well as they're gonna take that person away. But I
- 51:44Speaker 2: don't think you need a lot of again, you know,
- 51:46Speaker 2: fanciness on offense. Now that's said, if you do, when
- 51:49Speaker 2: incorporate like some emotions and things where just looks a
- 51:52Speaker 2: little bit different, kind of throws you off your keys.
- 51:55Speaker 2: I think that's where you can make the Patriots defensive
- 51:57Speaker 2: really bad because the games where they have been flustered
- 52:01Speaker 2: were the Rams and then the Dolphins, like all that
- 52:05Speaker 2: motion and all the different things that those guys do
- 52:07Speaker 2: to disguise their looks and kind of just create confusion.
- 52:10Speaker 6: It worked. It worked to a t.
- 52:12Speaker 2: So again, I think the Bills will be fine if
- 52:15Speaker 2: they just kind of do what they do. But if
- 52:17Speaker 2: they say, hey, no, like we want to make sure
- 52:20Speaker 2: that we make a statement in this win, like we're
- 52:22Speaker 2: not taking any chances because we do want to get
- 52:24Speaker 2: our seating and we want to make sure that Josh
- 52:26Speaker 2: Allen doesn't have to play the next time with Patriots
- 52:28Speaker 2: and the Bills face off, then yeah, you can incorporate
- 52:31Speaker 2: some things to maybe really capitalize on the fact there's
- 52:33Speaker 2: not a lot of experience on the Patriots defense and
- 52:36Speaker 2: the guys who are experienced are banged up, so it's
- 52:39Speaker 2: like one false step ends up turning into explosive play.
- 52:41Speaker 6: It feels like every single week.
- 52:43Speaker 5: Yeah, very fair. I was surprised this game got flexed.
- 52:46Speaker 1: It made me think like the NFL knows something that
- 52:48Speaker 1: we don't, or the scriptwriters were like, no, this is
- 52:51Speaker 1: going to be a banger. We're putting in a four
- 52:53Speaker 1: twenty five, Like there's something going on like, I think.
- 52:55Speaker 2: It's so I knew. I think I think we talked
- 52:58Speaker 2: about this when the schedule came out. It seemed like
- 53:01Speaker 2: the last month was them banking on Drake May's starting
- 53:04Speaker 2: because you had Marvin Harrison Junior and Drake May the
- 53:06Speaker 2: you know, the top picks, and now it's the two
- 53:09Speaker 2: quarterbacks that Drake May was compared to in the entire
- 53:12Speaker 2: draft process, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert.
- 53:15Speaker 6: Both of those games got flex. I don't think that's coincidence.
- 53:17Speaker 2: I think the league just wants to people to be
- 53:19Speaker 2: able to see Drake May and Josh Allen. I just pray,
- 53:23Speaker 2: pray that the defense doesn't embarrass them and just make
- 53:27Speaker 2: it so that you can't even enjoy Drake May. Like
- 53:29Speaker 2: last week where Drake May does some really cool stuff,
- 53:31Speaker 2: has an awesome a couple of awesome scoring drives at
- 53:33Speaker 2: the end of the game, but we barely talked about
- 53:35Speaker 2: it because the defense was absolutely hute.
- 53:37Speaker 6: True, So we'll see.
- 53:38Speaker 5: It's fair, very fair. One question here from the chat.
- 53:41Speaker 5: You know we talked earlier about high level stuff. Yeah,
- 53:45Speaker 5: the chests chants fantastic.
- 53:47Speaker 1: Charles wants to know what the vibes are on. Uh,
- 53:50Speaker 1: you know, coach Mayo first year, no more Bill Belichick.
- 53:53Speaker 5: Obviously big big, big, big, big, big change in the guard.
- 53:56Speaker 1: We talked, I can't remember things are bleeding into one another.
- 53:59Speaker 1: I can't remember if you said it on this or
- 54:00Speaker 1: on your show before we did this show. You know,
- 54:03Speaker 1: Mayo just saying some foolish things in the media a
- 54:06Speaker 1: little bit, which is big time opposite of Bill Belichick,
- 54:09Speaker 1: who is very much just like We're going to play
- 54:12Speaker 1: the game and try and sco more points and the
- 54:13Speaker 1: other team.
- 54:14Speaker 6: That's it.
- 54:15Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here on mister Mayo, as mister
- 54:19Speaker 1: Mayo makes me laugh to this sounds like mister Mayor,
- 54:20Speaker 1: and that's not from anything.
- 54:21Speaker 5: It just makes me laugh. What are your thoughts on him?
- 54:23Speaker 1: Early returns on him in this first year as Patriots head.
- 54:27Speaker 6: Coach not good. I observed to make a fan base
- 54:31Speaker 6: among reporters.
- 54:33Speaker 2: I know we're frustrated because like I'm newer to the beat,
- 54:35Speaker 2: this is my second season.
- 54:36Speaker 6: But the older heads who've been here for you.
- 54:39Speaker 2: Know, the dynasty, and they've seen the excellence, They've been
- 54:42Speaker 2: upset because the standard has fallen off so dramatically.
- 54:45Speaker 6: Now.
- 54:45Speaker 2: Belichick's obviously a big part of that, like Belichick needed
- 54:48Speaker 2: to be replaced.
- 54:48Speaker 6: There getting really bad.
- 54:50Speaker 2: But even still, the whole cultural change that Jod Mayo
- 54:53Speaker 2: was supposed to bring was it's a little bit less
- 54:55Speaker 2: hard ass, which was the new organization's words. Lookally elliot
- 54:58Speaker 2: Well said they were gonna let be as hard asked
- 55:00Speaker 2: as they were before. And you know Kip player's ownership,
- 55:03Speaker 2: da da da dah. Well, sometimes you've got players saying
- 55:05Speaker 2: things that they wouldn't usually say. It doesn't have been
- 55:07Speaker 2: a ton, but especially among the wide receivers, we've gotten
- 55:10Speaker 2: some comments where Belichick I think would have knitted in
- 55:13Speaker 2: the bud pretty quickly. Grod Mao used to work in media.
- 55:16Speaker 2: He's a really gregarious guy. He wants to be respectful
- 55:19Speaker 2: of us and he wants to have a good relationship
- 55:21Speaker 2: with us. But his attempt to be transparent and be
- 55:25Speaker 2: himself has turned into every week, multiple times we're having
- 55:30Speaker 2: to deal with some quote that he said where he
- 55:33Speaker 2: phrased it poorly or said something because he was upset.
- 55:37Speaker 2: Like I asked him a question a couple of weeks
- 55:38Speaker 2: ago and he brought up the Super Bowl win against Seattle, which, like, dude,
- 55:44Speaker 2: you weren't the coach, you have.
- 55:45Speaker 6: No right to bring that up.
- 55:47Speaker 2: And he had to apologize for it the next day,
- 55:48Speaker 2: and he had to apologize for something this week, and
- 55:50Speaker 2: now Mondays are just becoming a joke where, oh, it's
- 55:54Speaker 2: Mayo walk back Monday, you know, because he keeps saying
- 55:57Speaker 2: the wrong things that hey, if he was winning, no
- 56:00Speaker 2: one would care.
- 56:00Speaker 6: It's like Nick Sirianni. He gets to fly under the radar.
- 56:04Speaker 2: Because the Eagles are winning, right, and no one really
- 56:06Speaker 2: kind of digs into the fact that he's a weird guy,
- 56:09Speaker 2: and it feels like everyone else is doing things right
- 56:11Speaker 2: around him and he's basically just trying not to get
- 56:14Speaker 2: in the way.
- 56:14Speaker 6: And then when the Eagles.
- 56:15Speaker 2: Start losing, he's at the forefront and you see all
- 56:18Speaker 2: the stuff he does and everyone's like, oh my god,
- 56:20Speaker 2: this guy, like they need an adults in the room
- 56:23Speaker 2: because he's just so immature. That's what's happening with Mayo.
- 56:26Speaker 2: If he was winning, I don't think people would care.
- 56:28Speaker 2: When he was winning, all of his personality, all of
- 56:31Speaker 2: those things. After the opener, people are like, oh my god,
- 56:34Speaker 2: he's getting the players to play hard, da da dada.
- 56:36Speaker 2: But when you're losing, people look at everything and everything
- 56:39Speaker 2: is gonna get picked apart and even worse, He's like
- 56:41Speaker 2: supposed to be this CEO type head coach. But he
- 56:45Speaker 2: made his bones as a defensive player. He was a
- 56:48Speaker 2: middle linebacker in Bill Belichick's defense for years. They called
- 56:51Speaker 2: him Baby Belichick. He then was the the facto defensive coordinator,
- 56:55Speaker 2: but now he's removed himself from the defensive side of
- 56:57Speaker 2: the ball.
- 56:57Speaker 6: For DeMarcus Covington, who I was.
- 56:59Speaker 2: Excited in the system for a long time, players are like, hey,
- 57:02Speaker 2: he knows the defense front to back. I'm thinking, hey,
- 57:04Speaker 2: maybe he'll bring a new spin on things.
- 57:05Speaker 6: Whatever.
- 57:06Speaker 2: The defense has been terrible for the most part. They've
- 57:09Speaker 2: been really really bad, and injury in talent is a
- 57:12Speaker 2: huge part of that. He did not inherit the defense
- 57:15Speaker 2: that Bill Belichick was coaching last season, Yes, but there
- 57:17Speaker 2: have been far more fundamental layers. Players don't seem like
- 57:20Speaker 2: they're very well prepared or as aware as they used
- 57:22Speaker 2: to be, which in experienced all that is one thing,
- 57:26Speaker 2: But it felt like under Belichick, and obviously it's an
- 57:28Speaker 2: unfair comparison, but because that is the natural comparison, players
- 57:32Speaker 2: really rarely looked like they didn't know what was coming.
- 57:34Speaker 2: It felt like they were always a step ahead and
- 57:36Speaker 2: now they're not. And obviously that reflects on coaching, and
- 57:39Speaker 2: Mayo continues to be the CEO head coach and is
- 57:42Speaker 2: not involved on defense, but in his CEO role, I
- 57:45Speaker 2: don't know what he's doing that brings you know, that's yeah,
- 57:49Speaker 2: he's not There's no innovation, there's no exceptional level of resilience.
- 57:54Speaker 2: They've shown resilience at times. It was why he gave
- 57:57Speaker 2: Mayo some benefit of the doubt. Rookie head coach, you
- 58:00Speaker 2: inherited a bad roster, It's gonna be tough. What I
- 58:02Speaker 2: saw against the Cardinals was the first time where I
- 58:05Speaker 2: was like, this is really bad, to the point where
- 58:08Speaker 2: people talking about him getting fired his first season. If
- 58:11Speaker 2: this keeps happening for the next two to three weeks,
- 58:13Speaker 2: I think that that's a realistic possibility because they just
- 58:17Speaker 2: they seem so unprepared coming off of bye week. They
- 58:20Speaker 2: lacked I think energy for a lot of it. And
- 58:22Speaker 2: then the way they finished the game too. They were
- 58:24Speaker 2: decent towards the middle, they were just allowing field goals, bending,
- 58:27Speaker 2: not breaking. Then you allowed two touchdowns. One was tough
- 58:30Speaker 2: because it was coming off an interception, but like both
- 58:33Speaker 2: times James Conner walks into the end zone. And there's
- 58:35Speaker 2: been other games where they played poorly but then tightened
- 58:37Speaker 2: up at the end, and you're saying, Okay, just get
- 58:40Speaker 2: better players, and maybe this is this is a little different,
- 58:43Speaker 2: get healthy or whatever. But I keep bringing myself to
- 58:47Speaker 2: the question of what does Grodmeo bring to this football team.
- 58:51Speaker 2: I can't answer you, and I can say what he's
- 58:53Speaker 2: been doing poorly. I can say what the team has
- 58:56Speaker 2: done poorly. I can't acknowledge that. Yeah, times they've gotten
- 58:59Speaker 2: better and they've shown progress after bad losses, but now
- 59:02Speaker 2: it's starting like things are snowballing, and it's getting to
- 59:05Speaker 2: the point where I know it's your first season, and
- 59:06Speaker 2: I know this is not an ideal situation. Yeah, but
- 59:10Speaker 2: I just you expected more from someone who spent so
- 59:13Speaker 2: much time under Will Belichick, who's being groomed by Bill
- 59:15Speaker 2: Belichick not to take over. Bill didn't know about that part,
- 59:18Speaker 2: but you know he was being put in position there,
- 59:21Speaker 2: so exactly, So what do you do here? Is basically
- 59:23Speaker 2: what I'm just consistently asking Rod Mayo when I've not
- 59:26Speaker 2: been getting many answers of late.
- 59:28Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really do think you're like you're
- 59:31Speaker 1: spot on, Like that's my outside perspective and you are
- 59:35Speaker 1: much much much more inside than I am. It just yeah,
- 59:39Speaker 1: seems like okay, if you're not doing the schematic stuff,
- 59:43Speaker 1: like I can understand one way or the other faltering
- 59:46Speaker 1: like Okay, well, you know he's not doing the CEO stuff,
- 59:50Speaker 1: right because he's so in the weeds coaching this one
- 59:52Speaker 1: side of the ball or like you know, yeah, he's
- 59:55Speaker 1: not great with the x's and o's, but he's a
- 59:57Speaker 1: CEO type of coach.
- 59:58Speaker 5: That's not the type of guy he seems to be.
- 59:59Speaker 5: Falter it both and the media stuff on top of it,
- 1:00:03Speaker 5: like it just.
- 1:00:05Speaker 3: It really, yes, genuinely, it's yeah, it's really just then,
- 1:00:12Speaker 3: And I don't know if I thought more from I
- 1:00:14Speaker 3: expected more from him or from the organization as a whole. Yeah,
- 1:00:18Speaker 3: I'm just very surprised at how how much things have
- 1:00:21Speaker 3: kind of fallen off the rails with him with the defense. Again,
- 1:00:24Speaker 3: I know the injuries are a significant part of that,
- 1:00:26Speaker 3: but yeah, it's it is disconcerting to the point that like,
- 1:00:31Speaker 3: and you said it, like I was already thinking the
- 1:00:32Speaker 3: share I was like, dang, like is is mayil like
- 1:00:35Speaker 3: a fire candidate, Like if things go bad these last
- 1:00:38Speaker 3: three weeks, like if he only pulls out like these
- 1:00:40Speaker 3: three wins and they get away?
- 1:00:41Speaker 5: Was going down the stretch?
- 1:00:42Speaker 1: Or is it another like you know it's one year,
- 1:00:44Speaker 1: you know, and do they roll with like you know
- 1:00:48Speaker 1: you lost June On at the last minute and you
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: know bar More at the last minute.
- 1:00:51Speaker 5: You know, we'll kind of build and see where you
- 1:00:53Speaker 5: go from there. You got the quarterback? Or is faith
- 1:00:55Speaker 5: completely lost? Like I think that is a really sneaky
- 1:00:58Speaker 5: kind of interesting one. They don't turn around a little bit,
- 1:01:01Speaker 5: like if they just get housed down the stretch? Is
- 1:01:03Speaker 5: it one of those like is he on the hot seat?
- 1:01:05Speaker 5: Like do you think that's a possibility.
- 1:01:08Speaker 2: It's got to be a possibility if he gets blown
- 1:01:10Speaker 2: out multiple times to end of the year. Now, it's
- 1:01:12Speaker 2: tough because you want stability around Drake May. But like
- 1:01:15Speaker 2: Drake May is the future of this franchise. He is
- 1:01:19Speaker 2: shown and lived up to the investment you made in him. Now,
- 1:01:22Speaker 2: on one hand, you don't want to keep changing everything
- 1:01:25Speaker 2: around a young quarterback. It's one of the worst things
- 1:01:27Speaker 2: you can do. But also you don't want to waste time,
- 1:01:30Speaker 2: especially in his rookie contract. If Gerard Mayo is not
- 1:01:34Speaker 2: providing anything as a head coach, the one thing you
- 1:01:36Speaker 2: cannot do as a coach, especially as a rookie coach,
- 1:01:39Speaker 2: is lose.
- 1:01:39Speaker 6: The locker room.
- 1:01:40Speaker 2: When that happens, that's when first year coaches get fired.
- 1:01:43Speaker 2: When it seems like guys aren't acting like guys are.
- 1:01:46Speaker 6: Kind of out of line.
- 1:01:47Speaker 2: They're saying things they shouldn't be saying. It seems like
- 1:01:49Speaker 2: they're not motivated. Maybe they're not really defending him now
- 1:01:52Speaker 2: to be their players are still defending Mayo vehemently. That
- 1:01:57Speaker 2: is still a factor, and I think that's why he's
- 1:01:59Speaker 2: not actually gonna get fired. I think they give him
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: one more season with the better roster and see what
- 1:02:02Speaker 2: he can do. But yeah, I if this gets worse,
- 1:02:08Speaker 2: and obviously if he ends up losing the locker room
- 1:02:10Speaker 2: because things get worse, then yeah, you got a fire
- 1:02:12Speaker 2: and you got to move on because you need to
- 1:02:14Speaker 2: make sure you maximize Drake May's window and also just
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: get an adults in the room because that's been the
- 1:02:19Speaker 2: biggest thing. Is At least now behind closed doors, it
- 1:02:21Speaker 2: seems like Mayo is very different. It seems like his
- 1:02:23Speaker 2: approach works in terms of, you know, the buyback that
- 1:02:27Speaker 2: he gets, the buy in i'm sorry that he gets
- 1:02:28Speaker 2: from players. But on the outside, it just seems like
- 1:02:31Speaker 2: they need more experienced people, like they need someone who
- 1:02:36Speaker 2: doesn't keep putting his foot in his mouth or just
- 1:02:39Speaker 2: has a better understanding of how all this works. Because
- 1:02:41Speaker 2: it's just his He reeks him an experience, so you
- 1:02:45Speaker 2: understand that you knew what you were getting yourself into.
- 1:02:47Speaker 2: If you're the Crafts, and you might, you're probably gonna
- 1:02:49Speaker 2: have to bite the bullet because it's very especially because
- 1:02:52Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt has done a great job developing Drake May.
- 1:02:55Speaker 2: So you don't really want to kneecap the offensive coaching
- 1:02:59Speaker 2: staff makes some change just maybe, but you don't want
- 1:03:01Speaker 2: to just kick Van Pelth out the door because he
- 1:03:03Speaker 2: did a pretty good job offensive coordinator.
- 1:03:05Speaker 6: He's fine. Scheme isn't anything new.
- 1:03:07Speaker 2: I don't love some of the play action concepts, but
- 1:03:10Speaker 2: like for the most part, like I said, they're moving
- 1:03:11Speaker 2: the ball well enough. If they get an offensive line,
- 1:03:13Speaker 2: I think he's fine. But the defense, it's really hard
- 1:03:16Speaker 2: to justify the defensive coordinator and then drawed mail whatever
- 1:03:19Speaker 2: he's doing, so again I'm ranting now because yam me
- 1:03:23Speaker 2: fired up, but yeah, he could absolutely get fired if
- 1:03:25Speaker 2: this continues to spiral.
- 1:03:26Speaker 5: That the one that got me, and it was in
- 1:03:29Speaker 5: the preseason.
- 1:03:30Speaker 1: It was that quote about like you if you get
- 1:03:33Speaker 1: in a fight, like if you're a starter, you're gonna
- 1:03:36Speaker 1: play the whole preseason.
- 1:03:37Speaker 5: If you're not a starter, you won't play it all.
- 1:03:39Speaker 1: And I remember like hearing that quote and I was
- 1:03:41Speaker 1: thinking like, okay, like that's not bad, but in my head,
- 1:03:44Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like you have to have
- 1:03:46Speaker 1: some kind of credibility behind you to say something like that.
- 1:03:49Speaker 1: And then like cause if you're just some guy saying
- 1:03:51Speaker 1: and it kind of looks like corny, and then if
- 1:03:52Speaker 1: you're like team is bad, then it's one of those
- 1:03:55Speaker 1: things like if the Pats were fighting for a playoff
- 1:03:58Speaker 1: spot right now, I think you look back a quote
- 1:04:00Speaker 1: like that and it mid this probably isn't right because
- 1:04:02Speaker 1: it's super hindsight, But you look back at a quote
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: like that and you're like, you know what, this guy
- 1:04:06Speaker 1: set the tone right from the preseason and they've really
- 1:04:10Speaker 1: been able to move forward with it.
- 1:04:11Speaker 2: Now.
- 1:04:12Speaker 1: I think back to a quote like that and it's
- 1:04:14Speaker 1: more just like this guy doesn't know what the hell
- 1:04:16Speaker 1: he's doing, and like you need an adult in the room,
- 1:04:18Speaker 1: and like he says things that like you just shouldn't
- 1:04:21Speaker 1: say or he or the message is right, but the
- 1:04:25Speaker 1: way he delivers the message or the word selection isn't right.
- 1:04:29Speaker 6: And it's like when he called the team soft.
- 1:04:32Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I heard it, and I was like,
- 1:04:35Speaker 2: I get it because I know Belichick's tenants, or you
- 1:04:37Speaker 2: got to stop the run, run the ball, and covered case,
- 1:04:39Speaker 2: that's a tough team.
- 1:04:41Speaker 6: I understood what he meant, and I didn't really this
- 1:04:43Speaker 6: was before I really.
- 1:04:45Speaker 2: Even still I think a lot of what he says
- 1:04:46Speaker 2: gets over blown, but the phrasing of it was bad
- 1:04:49Speaker 2: because the next day he did have to say the
- 1:04:51Speaker 2: team wasn't soft, they played soft, and that was how
- 1:04:53Speaker 2: I interpreted it. And also, like his credibility is that
- 1:04:56Speaker 2: he did play linebacker in Belichick's defense, he was a captain.
- 1:04:59Speaker 2: Like players understand that and they respect him for that.
- 1:05:02Speaker 2: But it's things like that where maybe you don't even
- 1:05:05Speaker 2: say that to the media, maybe because he said it
- 1:05:07Speaker 2: to the team. And that was another thing where I'm like,
- 1:05:09Speaker 2: all right, you said it to the team. It's not
- 1:05:11Speaker 2: like you're saying it behind their back and they don't
- 1:05:13Speaker 2: know it's the same message. But you could also argue
- 1:05:15Speaker 2: he shouldn't have said it period. That's not a message
- 1:05:17Speaker 2: for the media. And you phrase it like that and
- 1:05:19Speaker 2: it becomes a complete firestorm and like they're covering it nationally.
- 1:05:23Speaker 2: As a rookie head coach, you should not be making
- 1:05:25Speaker 2: national headlines because of what you're saying in press conferences,
- 1:05:29Speaker 2: Like that's one of the bare minimums and that is
- 1:05:32Speaker 2: one of the most egregious places where it's like, yeah,
- 1:05:35Speaker 2: you're losing and you're exacerbating it and putting yourself in
- 1:05:38Speaker 2: the spotlight as the head coach.
- 1:05:40Speaker 5: Yeah, and he just.
- 1:05:43Speaker 1: Your point, Like I don't think he's ever said anything
- 1:05:44Speaker 1: super egregious where I'm just like, oh my god, but
- 1:05:47Speaker 1: he just he opens himself up for unneeded criticism, and
- 1:05:51Speaker 1: especially when you are having the year that you're having,
- 1:05:56Speaker 1: just you can't waver in any way, shape or form,
- 1:05:58Speaker 1: Like you can't afford open yourself up at all because
- 1:06:01Speaker 1: you're not you know Nick Sirianni, and you know the
- 1:06:03Speaker 1: team is in crushing and look and look out to
- 1:06:05Speaker 1: the Sirianni example, Like anytime the eagles, Falter, the vultures
- 1:06:10Speaker 1: come out.
- 1:06:11Speaker 5: For Sirianni and they are no, they are just ready.
- 1:06:15Speaker 5: And the only thing keeping everybody at bay. The only
- 1:06:17Speaker 5: thing that's keeping you know, the wolves at the door
- 1:06:20Speaker 5: is the fact that they win. And anytime they lose, yeah,
- 1:06:23Speaker 5: they get that dub. And anytime they lose, the door
- 1:06:26Speaker 5: opens and like one or two wolves like pop in
- 1:06:28Speaker 5: and you just can't. You can't put yourself in that situation.
- 1:06:31Speaker 5: You can't, Falter.
- 1:06:32Speaker 1: It's better to say less than say more. And he
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: I feel like he's saying a lot and he's saying
- 1:06:38Speaker 1: it not great ways. Yeah, I'm just man, I'm really interested.
- 1:06:41Speaker 1: One a quick question for you. This was actually in
- 1:06:44Speaker 1: my mind and then Joe asked it in the chat
- 1:06:45Speaker 1: and I thought it was fate. Joe wants to know
- 1:06:48Speaker 1: what direction you think the Pats will go in with
- 1:06:51Speaker 1: their first round pick. Is an offensive tackle or bust?
- 1:06:54Speaker 1: Do they take a flyer on?
- 1:06:55Speaker 5: Travis?
- 1:06:56Speaker 1: Hunter is a two way guy? What are your thoughts here?
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: I like, I, you know, just kind of shade it.
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: In an ideal world, I think it would be offensive line.
- 1:07:04Speaker 1: I just don't think there's an offensive lineman. It's gonna
- 1:07:06Speaker 1: be worth like the top three or top five pick.
- 1:07:08Speaker 2: My ideal situation is they get one to one and
- 1:07:12Speaker 2: they find some way to trade down. I think getting
- 1:07:14Speaker 2: another first round pick is going to be huge because
- 1:07:18Speaker 2: again they lack talent. I think you need those premium
- 1:07:21Speaker 2: picks and you want to be a draft and developed
- 1:07:22Speaker 2: team one hopefully in free agency or not, you know,
- 1:07:25Speaker 2: toxic and people actually want to come to New England.
- 1:07:28Speaker 6: But really for them, I think the way to go
- 1:07:30Speaker 6: is the best player available with the pick.
- 1:07:33Speaker 2: I think if that's Travis Hunter, that's a blue chip player,
- 1:07:36Speaker 2: like yeah, no, I think, yeah, you play him at cornerback.
- 1:07:39Speaker 2: You give him a package on offense, because he's not
- 1:07:41Speaker 2: even like Marcus Jones, when Marcus Jones is purely a
- 1:07:43Speaker 2: gadget player. He can run a hitch, he can run
- 1:07:45Speaker 2: a slant, he can run a go. You know, it's
- 1:07:47Speaker 2: even actually kind of use him. Obviously, it's going to
- 1:07:49Speaker 2: be tough because you're in different meetings and there's nuances
- 1:07:52Speaker 2: to wide receiver, Like it's not easy to just go
- 1:07:54Speaker 2: out and play receiver for like ten snaps or whatever.
- 1:07:56Speaker 2: But I think Travis Hunter is a kind of talent
- 1:07:58Speaker 2: where it's really hard to pass up on him again.
- 1:08:00Speaker 2: Hopefully they can trade down, but hard guys say no
- 1:08:03Speaker 2: to if it's Tech McMillan, a guy where the Patriots
- 1:08:07Speaker 2: Drake may can make a lot of what he has,
- 1:08:09Speaker 2: but you also like a short handed guy who's got size,
- 1:08:13Speaker 2: can threaten vertically and is a red zone presence, and
- 1:08:15Speaker 2: you can move him around the field and kind of
- 1:08:17Speaker 2: funnel things through him and then have that movable piece
- 1:08:20Speaker 2: that really dictates what happened in the passing game. So
- 1:08:22Speaker 2: and even I mean Will Johnson, I don't love the idea,
- 1:08:26Speaker 2: to be honest, Like Travis Hunter's kind of different, Like
- 1:08:28Speaker 2: he is so good that it's just hard to say
- 1:08:30Speaker 2: no because of the value brings on both sides. I
- 1:08:33Speaker 2: just don't think corner, even with best player available, I
- 1:08:36Speaker 2: don't think you ever go one hundred percent one way.
- 1:08:38Speaker 6: We've talked about this.
- 1:08:39Speaker 2: I think it's foolish to say just BPA or just
- 1:08:41Speaker 2: draft her position because you're gonna get yourself in trouble
- 1:08:43Speaker 2: doing too much of one or the other. But Abdul
- 1:08:47Speaker 2: Carter like a pass rusher, that's a premium position. The
- 1:08:49Speaker 2: Patriots have no pass rush. I'd be open to that
- 1:08:52Speaker 2: just get a truly rare athlete who can turn into
- 1:08:55Speaker 2: a pro bowler, an all pro because if you can
- 1:08:58Speaker 2: go Christian Tales Drake and then this draft you hit
- 1:09:01Speaker 2: another hole, run like that's where you finally start getting
- 1:09:04Speaker 2: the bluetshit talent that you don't have. But yeah, I
- 1:09:06Speaker 2: don't think it's o to your bust. I don't think
- 1:09:07Speaker 2: it's any position or bust. I think you look at
- 1:09:10Speaker 2: the the premium positions, especially where you have holes, and
- 1:09:13Speaker 2: you try to fill them with the best players.
- 1:09:14Speaker 1: Of me, I really really really like Will Johnson, and
- 1:09:19Speaker 1: I'm salivating at the idea of like Will Johnson and
- 1:09:22Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales or even with Hunter, like it, I feel
- 1:09:26Speaker 1: like he's I don't actually this is just me assuming
- 1:09:29Speaker 1: I can.
- 1:09:29Speaker 5: I could be completely wrong.
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: I feel like Hunter would want to play receiver first
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: because receivers get paid more, and I feel like he'd
- 1:09:35Speaker 1: want to do that. I would want to put Hunter
- 1:09:38Speaker 1: as a full time corner and then I have him
- 1:09:41Speaker 1: be like receiver for and just have specific package plays
- 1:09:44Speaker 1: in for him, whether he's as a decoy or tendency
- 1:09:46Speaker 1: breaker or stuff for him. But that's fun too, Like
- 1:09:49Speaker 1: the idea of like Travis Hunter and Christian Gonzalez is
- 1:09:51Speaker 1: your corners, Like, man, that's super fun. I mean I'm
- 1:09:54Speaker 1: a defense first guy, so like that's super intriguing to me.
- 1:09:57Speaker 1: Like I really don't think you can go wrong with
- 1:09:58Speaker 1: a lot of the there. But yeah, it doesn't feel
- 1:10:01Speaker 1: like there's I shouldn't say this because I haven't even
- 1:10:03Speaker 1: I haven't done my tape scouting yet. This is just
- 1:10:05Speaker 1: me watching a ton of broadcast college football, Like I
- 1:10:08Speaker 1: don't know if there's anybody that's like a hard you
- 1:10:10Speaker 1: gotta take this dude, Like I feel like a trade
- 1:10:12Speaker 1: down option might be nice, but again, like I don't know.
- 1:10:15Speaker 5: I Dual Carter looks pretty sick, and I like Hunter.
- 1:10:20Speaker 1: Will Johnson is such a good technically sound corner and
- 1:10:23Speaker 1: he's got the size like Hunter has to thicken out
- 1:10:25Speaker 1: a little bit to be an NFL corner like NFL
- 1:10:28Speaker 1: player in general, like his he is like I hate
- 1:10:32Speaker 1: this word gets you so much and I hate it,
- 1:10:34Speaker 1: but he literally is a dog like with just how
- 1:10:36Speaker 1: he plays. But he can't play like that at the
- 1:10:39Speaker 1: NFL at one hundred and seventy three one hundred and
- 1:10:41Speaker 1: seventy four pounds, Like he is far too physical to
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: sustain that he's gonna break its collar, phone or shoulder. Yeah,
- 1:10:47Speaker 1: like that stuff's not gonna play with regularity. So does
- 1:10:50Speaker 1: he thicking out? How does that change like him as
- 1:10:53Speaker 1: a player? Oh yeah, that's a lot of fun, fun
- 1:10:55Speaker 1: conversations they have. Crazy that we're talking about draft stuff
- 1:10:58Speaker 1: for the Patriots in December.
- 1:11:00Speaker 6: My, how the turn the cover routine these days?
- 1:11:03Speaker 5: I know, it's crazy. If only you had like six
- 1:11:05Speaker 5: Super Bowls to fall back on and dry your tears with.
- 1:11:08Speaker 6: Oh no, I live in the present and the present sucks.
- 1:11:13Speaker 6: That's fair.
- 1:11:15Speaker 5: That's fair.
- 1:11:15Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Yeah, it just full of drops to turn
- 1:11:17Speaker 6: around at Drake May.
- 1:11:18Speaker 2: It's honestly, last year was way more bleak, and I
- 1:11:21Speaker 2: don't think it was even close when it was Mac
- 1:11:23Speaker 2: and you didn't know what the draft order was like,
- 1:11:26Speaker 2: it could be so much worse.
- 1:11:28Speaker 6: Drake May is better than I could have anticipated. So really,
- 1:11:31Speaker 6: I gotta stop complaining. It's not that bad.
- 1:11:33Speaker 1: No, Yeah, he's uh, he's blowing out and especially considering
- 1:11:39Speaker 1: maybe blowing off too strong. But I think, like considering
- 1:11:41Speaker 1: the level he's playing at schematically, given what's around him
- 1:11:44Speaker 1: and what's happening, like I think it's it's.
- 1:11:47Speaker 5: Very fair to be super excited for the future, very nice.
- 1:11:50Speaker 1: Anything else on your mind when it comes to this
- 1:11:51Speaker 1: matchup before we start to wind out, Uh, I think I.
- 1:11:55Speaker 2: Gott it all out of my system. Like my back
- 1:11:57Speaker 2: literally hurts from that man a little Fields.
- 1:12:00Speaker 6: So sorry. I think I'm good and is what it is. Man,
- 1:12:04Speaker 6: I you know I say it on my show. I'm
- 1:12:06Speaker 6: just bringing the same energy.
- 1:12:07Speaker 2: I want to make sure that you know your amazing
- 1:12:09Speaker 2: fans get the full lowdown on what's going on in.
- 1:12:12Speaker 6: Fox for nothing other than Drake Maye to be too
- 1:12:14Speaker 6: worried about in the division.
- 1:12:16Speaker 5: At least, well, I appreciate it.
- 1:12:18Speaker 1: We are going to start to wind down a bit
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