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Brian Laundrie Found Dead: Is this REAL??? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell in the search for Brian Laundry. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Live now Fox Chris and Roberto Laundry,
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Speaker 1: the parents of fugitive Brian Laundry. They ventured into Florida's
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Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve earlier this morning, where Fox News Digital saw
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Speaker 1: an officer apparently telling parents that law enforcement might have
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Speaker 1: found something. The lawyer for the Laundry family would not
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Speaker 1: comment when asked if the Laundries were at the park
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Speaker 1: at the request of law enforcement. Not comment. The Laundry's
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Speaker 1: family attorney not comment. That'll be a cold day in
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Speaker 1: you know where. He's doing nothing but commenting. I'm DC Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in Sirius x sim one eleven. Yes,
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Speaker 1: a bombs have remains human remains been found near the
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Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve. How long have they been there? What other
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Speaker 1: items have been found? We believe a notebook belonging to
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, which is critical in this case. When did
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Speaker 1: he go there, how long was he there? And did
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Speaker 1: his parents somehow destroy any chance of their ever being
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Speaker 1: justice in this case? The first night he went there
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Speaker 1: and didn't come home. Shouldn't the cops have been called
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Speaker 1: that night and a search party led to Carlton Reserve
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Speaker 1: when they brought the car back home. Questions swirling with me,
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Speaker 1: and I'll start panel to break it down and put
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Speaker 1: it back together again. First of all, Dale Carson, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction, former
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Speaker 1: fed with the FBI, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. And Angela Arnold, MD
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Speaker 1: dot com, Foundering director of the Coldcase three Search Institute.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum. You can find her at Coldcase crimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and star of an iHeart hit series
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Speaker 1: Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Morgan, John Ellwood special guests joining
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Speaker 1: us Deputy Chief Manatee County Search and Rescue and Massa
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Speaker 1: Saiedi joining us on the scene. Investigative reporter w FLATV Tampa.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut three fifty three
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Speaker 1: Mike Posh and a worldwide exclusive video obtained by Fox
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Speaker 1: News Digital shows the laundriies and the law enforcement officer,
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Speaker 1: huddling and speaking as the officer appears to show the
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Speaker 1: couple in unknown discovery. The officer appeared to tell the parents,
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Speaker 1: I think we might have found something. During the couple's
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Speaker 1: time inside Chris Laundry, it could be seen continually moving
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Speaker 1: in and out of areas of the brush. After a
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Speaker 1: short while, he and Roberto Laundry separated, with Chris and
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Speaker 1: the two men moving into the brush on the left
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Speaker 1: side of the trail for approximately twelve minutes. Chris returned
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Speaker 1: with out law enforcement and the couple continued on Guys,
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Speaker 1: how did it actually go down? How did the parents
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry end up in that Florida reserve? And within
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Speaker 1: about an hour evidence is found linked to Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: and possible human remains. Now Here is their lawyer, Steve
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Speaker 1: Bertolino on at our friend's CNN outlet. Now think about it.
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Speaker 1: Bertolino did not just fall off the turnip truck. Listen
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Speaker 1: to what he's saying. How his words are being parshed.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three sixty five. Why today?
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Speaker 1: Why did the parents choose today to go to the preserve? Well,
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Speaker 1: it is my understanding that the preserve was only open
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Speaker 1: to the public as of yesterday. So my clients reached
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Speaker 1: out to me and informed me that they wanted to
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Speaker 1: go into to the preserve this morning, and I thought
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Speaker 1: it would be wise to notify law enforcement of their intentions.
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Speaker 1: I did so by text to my contact in the
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Speaker 1: Northport Police Department, and they responded with thank you for
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Speaker 1: the heads up, and then they met my clients there
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Speaker 1: this morning. Why did they meet your clients there, Well,
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Speaker 1: I presume they thought it would be a good idea
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Speaker 1: just to accompany them in. They knew the press had
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Speaker 1: been following my clients for weeks and weeks on end,
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Speaker 1: and you'd have to ask them why they chose to come.
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Speaker 1: They did not indicate to me last night that they
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Speaker 1: would be there. They just again thanked me for the
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Speaker 1: heads up. It's all very very coincidental. Straight out to you,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director with Cold Case Research Institute. Champon Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The biggest part of that statement is when he said
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Speaker 1: that Chris ventured off out of the site the law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: That's when you just happened to find the dry bag
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Speaker 1: in the bramble. It's all too odd the time, and
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Speaker 1: is weird. First of all, when he says they only
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Speaker 1: opened the park up to the public as of yesterday,
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Speaker 1: these folks aren't public. These are the parents of a
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Speaker 1: missing person flash fugitive. They would have been instrumental. Plus,
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Speaker 1: they already invited Chris one time to get on the
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Speaker 1: four whee learned drive them around. They could have gone
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Speaker 1: to that park anytime they chose. So let's just follow
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Speaker 1: that through to its logical conclusion. Because in my line
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Speaker 1: of business, you have all sorts of theories, hypotheses, speculation
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Speaker 1: thrown at you. What about this? What about that? Couldn't
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Speaker 1: this happened? I spent ten years dealing with defense attorneys
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Speaker 1: speculation about what might have happened in crimes that I
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Speaker 1: was prosecuting prosecuting. But let's just follow you're a law
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Speaker 1: of thinking through to its logical conclusion. Cheryl McCollum, you say, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's too coincidental, all right? If those are Brian Laundry's
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Speaker 1: human remains, and you're suggesting some type of a setup
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Speaker 1: or that the evidence may have been planted, what you
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Speaker 1: want to tell me they planet is remains too. Let's
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Speaker 1: follow through your line of thinking. What exactly are you
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Speaker 1: trying to say. I'm trying to say. It appears to
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Speaker 1: me that his parents knew the location before yesterday. They
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Speaker 1: knew right where to go. They went right to the
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Speaker 1: evidence within thirty minutes. And the point of that would be,
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Speaker 1: this should have been done on the fourteenth. And the
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Speaker 1: point of that would have been, what the outcome would
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Speaker 1: be the same. If this Brian Laundry, he's dead, it
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Speaker 1: would have been the same. But we wouldn't have spent
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Speaker 1: a million dollars looking for him. We wouldn't have had
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Speaker 1: people on the Appalachian Trail and in Mexico and everywhere
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Speaker 1: else looking for him. This would have been done. Gabby's
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Speaker 1: family could have already moved from this as well. Think
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Speaker 1: that he's out there on the run somewhere. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: understand that. I guess I'm thinking in a probative manner.
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Speaker 1: In other words, as you will know, everything registers in
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Speaker 1: my mind. Think of a computer that only sees x's
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Speaker 1: and OS. I think if everything as it relates to
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Speaker 1: evidence at trial. And my point is, if they find
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Speaker 1: him now or at a different day, does that change
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Speaker 1: the outcome of this case. Let's backtrack straight up to
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Speaker 1: massa society joining me. They're on the scene joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Florida. She's with w FLATV. Massa. Tell me
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Is it true that the parents Brian
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Speaker 1: Andry's parents find these items within an hour or less
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Speaker 1: of going onto the trail. We found the items after
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Speaker 1: a quote brief search off of a trail. So what
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Speaker 1: I think is important to stress is law enforcement has
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Speaker 1: searched the Mayaca Hatchee Creek Environmental Park. They determined they
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Speaker 1: are done. They opened this park back up to the public.
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Speaker 1: Chris and Roberta said they wanted to go back and
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Speaker 1: they wanted to take another look at this specific site
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Speaker 1: that they believed Brian Laundry would have visited. Now, according
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Speaker 1: to the family attorney, they told law enforcement about this
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Speaker 1: specific site on September seventeenth, the day that Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: was reported missing. This site, according to the attorney, is
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Speaker 1: near the entrance about a mile or two about a
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Speaker 1: thirty minute walk. He estimates it is near the bridge
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Speaker 1: which connects the Carlton Reserve to the mica Hatchee Creek
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Speaker 1: Environmental Park. So apparently yesterday Chris and Roberta show up
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Speaker 1: at this team two Northport police officers are with them,
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Speaker 1: the attorney says, are keeping an eye on them, but
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Speaker 1: we also know that they weren't keeping keeping an eye
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Speaker 1: on them the entire time, based on what the attorney said.
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Speaker 1: Out there on CNN, Chris discovers a dry bag. Police
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Speaker 1: are not around. He picks up the dry bag. He's
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Speaker 1: zig zagging through. Apparently news media is following him. He
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Speaker 1: runs into law enforcement and they have been to find
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Speaker 1: the backpack that belonged to Brian Laundry and partial unidentified
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Speaker 1: human remains. So the most stunning part of this to
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Speaker 1: me is that we know this was an area that
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Speaker 1: they had been searching, the fact that law enforcement was
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Speaker 1: done with it, the fact that this park was opened
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Speaker 1: back up, the fact that Chris and Roberta decide they're
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Speaker 1: going to go out there now and take a look
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Speaker 1: for themselves. Remember, exactly two weeks ago, Chris Laundry had
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Speaker 1: been at the Maaca Hatchee Creek Environmental Park. So the
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Speaker 1: big question is why was this missed until now? It
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Speaker 1: was also, you know, very interesting to hear yesterday that
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Speaker 1: the FBI knew knew on the thirteenth that Bryant was missing.
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Speaker 1: According to Stephen Bertolino. The family notified the FBI on
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Speaker 1: the thirteenth that Brian was missing, so we'll be working
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Speaker 1: to see if that's true or not today. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to John Ellwood, Deputy Chief of Manatee County Search and Rescue.
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Speaker 1: John Ellwood, I also found it very difficult to believe
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Speaker 1: that cadaver dogs were in that area and did not
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Speaker 1: find human remains. Well, Nancy, there's a couple of ways
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Speaker 1: that you could approach this. First of all, in the
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Speaker 1: way that cadaver dogs work. Cadaver dogs alert on the
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Speaker 1: scent of decaying human tissue. Where my understanding is where
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Speaker 1: Brian was located when the initial search began about a
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Speaker 1: month ago, that area was under water, and if the
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Speaker 1: body had not really started to decompose and release oils
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Speaker 1: and so on and so forth that would float up
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Speaker 1: to the surface. It would make it difficult for those
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Speaker 1: dogs to detect or was he not yet dead? John Ellwood.
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Speaker 1: If he wasn't a band at that point, could daver
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Speaker 1: dogs wouldn't wouldn't go to him, correct And it's also
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Speaker 1: my understanding that when they used live fine slash tracking
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Speaker 1: canines initially, that those dogs didn't alert on his scent
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Speaker 1: in which you guys have commented before about when the
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Speaker 1: FBI went into the home grabbed articles of clothing to
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Speaker 1: use for the dogs as a scent article. They did
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Speaker 1: not detect his scent in the areas that they initially searched,
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Speaker 1: So they were there in that exact area and they
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Speaker 1: didn't hit that's my understanding. Correct, could daver dogs and
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Speaker 1: scent dogs, yes, ma'am. And where it was asked a
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Speaker 1: week or so ago when they brought law enforcement cadaver
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Speaker 1: dogs in, why were they doing that And the basic
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Speaker 1: answer was at that point they were using them as
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Speaker 1: a diagnostic tool, meaning that they used live, fine canines
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Speaker 1: initially did not receive any indication that Brian was there,
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Speaker 1: So then the next order of progression would be to
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Speaker 1: use cadaver dogs to see if they would alert on anything.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things also that as a canine handler,
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Speaker 1: that we look for before we even deploy the dog,
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Speaker 1: because when you talk about the Carlton Reserve, you're talking
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Speaker 1: twenty five thousand acres thirty eight square miles. You look
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Speaker 1: for buzzard circling. Then what you would do is drive
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Speaker 1: to that area and then release the canine to see
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Speaker 1: if they can locate anything, because at that point you
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Speaker 1: don't know whether it's an animal or a human. And
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Speaker 1: the dogs are specifically trained not to alert on dead animals,
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Speaker 1: as like in case the anthony where they tried bringing
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Speaker 1: that up in court and it's been proven that they
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Speaker 1: don't do that. So if the dog was back to
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Speaker 1: the handler and says there's nothing here, then you presume
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Speaker 1: it would be an animal. Bon Michelle. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a notebook, a backpack we believe belonged to belonging to
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry discovered not far from what we think our
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Speaker 1: human remains. And you know, Cheryl McCollum, as we all
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Speaker 1: watched what was happening, and I saw the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: van roll up. The van doesn't show up unless you
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Speaker 1: think you've got human remains. Cops do not disturb the
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Speaker 1: medical examiner until they have to absolutely no question about it.
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Speaker 1: That van to me yesterday was you know, the biggest
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Speaker 1: sign that absolutely they had something that was you know,
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Speaker 1: human and nature human remains. And you know, Nancy, I
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Speaker 1: gotta say I was on the phone live with you
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Speaker 1: and that was happening, and you know, at some point,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've been doing this for weeks and weeks,
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Speaker 1: but it comes down to just being a parent, and
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Speaker 1: it's just gut wrenching to think two families are now
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Speaker 1: just destroying, destroyed, torn aparders. What guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at ABC and our cut three six
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Speaker 1: two are the human remains found to day in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Those are Brian Laughtering, the fiance of Long Island Gabby Petito.
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Speaker 1: But also tonight, one of New York's former top cops
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Speaker 1: is questioning the involvement of Laundry's parents, saying something's just
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Speaker 1: not right. There's just too many strange turns that Chris
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Speaker 1: and Romodo Laundry haven't been involved in to not believe
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Speaker 1: that something's miss here. I would just use reporters. Von
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Speaker 1: Kim now with the latest on the investigation to search
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Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry maybe coming to a close. The Laundry
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Speaker 1: family attorney says Brian's parents found some belongings this morning
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Speaker 1: near a trail he frequented. He spoke with i Wan
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Speaker 1: this news moments after the FBI update. Well, as you
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Speaker 1: can imagine that the parents are very destroyed like everyone else,
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Speaker 1: They're going to wait for the results of the forensic
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Speaker 1: identification before making any further comments. But at this moment
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Speaker 1: in time, you know they're they're grieving. They're grieving. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know we have been looking so hard for Brian Laundry,
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Speaker 1: analyzing every move. It didn't hit until I saw that
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Speaker 1: medical examiner's van pull up that he could actually be
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Speaker 1: out there joining me right now, Joseph Scott, Morgan professor
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Speaker 1: forensic jump in Joe Scott. Yeah, we don't show up
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Speaker 1: unless we're invited, Nancy, that's the bottom line. We you know,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to get in the way of the
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Speaker 1: police investigation. And understand this, just because somebody finds a
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Speaker 1: backpack or this dry bag that might be associated with
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, that's not a reason to show up. When,
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Speaker 1: like Mackett said, when the Emmy's van shoo showed up,
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Speaker 1: I knew for a fact at that time that they
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Speaker 1: did have human remain. The trick now, the trick now
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Speaker 1: is remember what the FBI said and their press or
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Speaker 1: their release. They said, this is a partial human remain.
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Speaker 1: So what does that mean. Does that mean that this
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Speaker 1: body is skeletonized to a certain degree and they only
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Speaker 1: have maybe the core of the body, the spine, the ribs,
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing, the pelvis, and if some kind
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Speaker 1: of scavengers come in, they may have walked away with
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Speaker 1: some of the remain even though the body was apparently
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Speaker 1: partially submerged. Perhaps, don't be surprised if you see other
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Speaker 1: cadaver dogs come back out there today and later on
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Speaker 1: to look for these little pieces. Listen, this is not
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Speaker 1: as simple as determining Gabby's cause of death. You have
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Speaker 1: so many of these elements that are possibly missing, and
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Speaker 1: that's what everybody's going to want to ask. First, is
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Speaker 1: it him? And secondly, how did he die? And you're not.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult to do anything relative
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Speaker 1: to talks if the skull is missing, and this is
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Speaker 1: a gunfire related thing, which I highly doubt you're not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to analyze that for any kind
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Speaker 1: of bullet defect. So everybody needs to calm down, be patient,
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Speaker 1: and let them work the science. Okay, let's go out
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Speaker 1: and take a listen to cut three sixty three. This
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Speaker 1: is my long time friend Bill Ritter at ABC speaking
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Speaker 1: to the NYPD Chief of Detectives. Listen, there's just too
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Speaker 1: many strange turns that Chris and Verto Laundry haven't been
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Speaker 1: involved in to not believe that something has a miss
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Speaker 1: here now and then you see this the day of
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Speaker 1: the park close they could reopens. They go into the
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Speaker 1: specific area here and a very large twenty four acres
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Speaker 1: from what I understand, the parkt and butts the Carlton Reserve,
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Speaker 1: and they go to this exact spot and they find
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Speaker 1: the backpack, and they identify the backpack from what I
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Speaker 1: understand in the notebook in this particular area. So it's
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Speaker 1: quite strange, and forty thousand acres I think actually twenty
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Speaker 1: four wars, so so they binded this. This this one
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Speaker 1: location is from a location where it's a path where
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Speaker 1: people go by. We see the gentleman walking by. It
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Speaker 1: early a handheld video and they're being told by the
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Speaker 1: FBI agent that, well, all of a sudden, we found something.
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Speaker 1: You found remains, and you can see that there's some
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Speaker 1: some they're a little taken back by it, I can see.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things here that this doesn't
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Speaker 1: add up to. To quizzes Devil Carson, you're the former
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Speaker 1: fed with the FBI, what do you make of the
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Speaker 1: NYPD Chief of Detectives is telling our friend Bill Ritter,
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Speaker 1: a lot of things don't add up to coincidence. Well,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Nan I see. I have
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Speaker 1: cracked fugitives on the ground using dogs during my career,
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Speaker 1: and what we often find is they're right near where
18:53
Speaker 1: they were last spotted. And if you will note that
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Speaker 1: the car that was returned to the laundry family was
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Speaker 1: only a short distance from where he was located, and
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Speaker 1: it's quite possible that he went there with the express
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Speaker 1: purpose of committing suicide. And if that's true, the first
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Speaker 1: place you look is right where the car was, and
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Speaker 1: that's within the parameter. Additionally, there's no time seeing tape
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Speaker 1: around a tree, which tells me that strangulation or hanging
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Speaker 1: is not part of the equation here, at least as
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Speaker 1: far as they know today. Just trying to think it through, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: because I like him having a hard time with all
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Speaker 1: the coincidences. I've been trained that there are no coincidences
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Speaker 1: in criminal law. The timing of when he goes missing,
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Speaker 1: when the parents call police about him missing, what they knew?
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Speaker 1: Could this be framed? Could it be a setup? All
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Speaker 1: of those thoughts colliding, not just in my mind, but
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Speaker 1: apparently the NYPD Chief of Detectives, What do you make
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Speaker 1: of it? Well, it's like I said before, Nancy, think
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Speaker 1: about it. They go to the park only after it's
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Speaker 1: open to the public. The parents go right to a
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Speaker 1: spot within thirty minutes and find an item. The dad
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Speaker 1: picks it up, no gloves, doesn't went on law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement is standing there talking to the parents. They're
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Speaker 1: not wearing gloves. Mama hands the dry bag to the agent.
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Speaker 1: The agent walks off with it. But prior to that,
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Speaker 1: there's no tape up. And while the three of them
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Speaker 1: are standing on that little dirt road area talking, you
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Speaker 1: can hear the agent say, hey, y'all go back to
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Speaker 1: the house and I'll keep you updated after he shows
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Speaker 1: them whatever he does on the cell phone. But here
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Speaker 1: was the most critical thing to me. You're telling me
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Speaker 1: they have now found items. They are bringing in dogs in,
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner and everybody else. And down the road
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Speaker 1: here comes this man just walking his dog. That scene
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Speaker 1: was not secured in any way. The man walks by morning,
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Speaker 1: good to see you. Yeah, the dog, he's all happy
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Speaker 1: to see everybody jumping on the cameraman. It's the most
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Speaker 1: bizarre thing I've ever seen. Okay, let me go to you.
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Speaker 1: Mosta Saiedi investigative reporter joining us from w FLA, and
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Speaker 1: I believe it was Fox Digital that got that video
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Speaker 1: that shows exactly what Cheryl was talking about. Right in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it became a civilian walking a dog.
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Speaker 1: But remember this had been open to the public, so
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Speaker 1: why not. I'm just curious. Most of Saiedi I was watching,
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Speaker 1: and I watched it over and over and over. When
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Speaker 1: the parents were looking at the items, and I couldn't
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Speaker 1: tell they the mother, Roberta, brushed something off the father's face.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it was a tear, But then later
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Speaker 1: I saw the mother do her own face and I
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Speaker 1: couldn't tell if they were gnats or something buzzing around
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Speaker 1: them from all the heat and all the water. But
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Speaker 1: other than that gesture, which I could not decipher, there
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Speaker 1: seemed to be a little or no reaction at all
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Speaker 1: on the part of the laundries to finding what is
22:09
Speaker 1: ostensibly items belonging to their son. So the attorney said
22:14
Speaker 1: that the family was heartbroken. According to the attorney, we
22:18
Speaker 1: know that when they were out there doing the search yesterday,
22:22
Speaker 1: law enforcement came up showed him a picture of the
22:25
Speaker 1: backpack and they were like, yes, that is his backpack
22:28
Speaker 1: and notified them that they would have to leave because
22:30
Speaker 1: human remains were found. So maybe that's where you saw
22:34
Speaker 1: that emotion. Maybe that is what was happening at the time,
22:36
Speaker 1: like the moment they told them that human remains were found.
22:40
Speaker 1: But I do want to just tell you what the
22:42
Speaker 1: attorney is saying about why, you know, why the laundryes
22:47
Speaker 1: like made this discovery. Basically said that the laundry thought
22:50
Speaker 1: the FBI, the trackers, the dogs would find these items.
22:55
Speaker 1: So again they said that they told the FBI back
22:59
Speaker 1: on the seven teams to look under the bridge, so
23:02
Speaker 1: they didn't you push to go out there sooner because
23:05
Speaker 1: they thought that the dogs and such would find it.
23:08
Speaker 1: It sounds like people are wondering, you know, could they
23:10
Speaker 1: have planted the backpack in the notebook. The attorney says,
23:14
Speaker 1: that's hogwash. We know that the day before they had
23:17
Speaker 1: left the house where you know, several hours, went to Walmart,
23:20
Speaker 1: went to AT and T. We're not sure why, but
23:23
Speaker 1: I don't think that they were at the park beforehand.
23:26
Speaker 1: I think somebody would have seen that, and certainly I
23:28
Speaker 1: don't think they planted human remains now according to the
23:32
Speaker 1: medical examiner, within the next day or two, possibly we
23:35
Speaker 1: could have a positive identify identification. But again the point
23:39
Speaker 1: I'm making is I don't think they planted the remains
23:41
Speaker 1: there obviously, and I'm just wondering if we'll be able
23:43
Speaker 1: to get a CID cause of death. Doctor Angel Arnold
23:46
Speaker 1: Psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta, what do you make
23:48
Speaker 1: of it? Well, first of all, Yancy Brian Laundry, is
23:52
Speaker 1: we have determined I'm quite sure has what we call
23:55
Speaker 1: an externalizing psychopathology, which is antisocial person analogy disorder, and
24:01
Speaker 1: believe it or not, these people with this disorder can
24:06
Speaker 1: commit suicide. Oftentimes we think that they don't commit suicide
24:10
Speaker 1: because they're Part of their behavior is they're grandiose, they
24:14
Speaker 1: think they're better than everybody. They're very controlling. But they
24:17
Speaker 1: can also become depressed, and much research has shown that
24:22
Speaker 1: they can be prone to suicide. But I have to wonder.
24:27
Speaker 1: I have to wonder if he wasn't killed by something
24:29
Speaker 1: else and then last touch with his parents somehow and
24:34
Speaker 1: it wasn't a suicide. That's what I don't know if
24:36
Speaker 1: anybody else is wondering that, But that's what I'm wondering,
24:39
Speaker 1: whether you mean killed by something else like a snake,
24:42
Speaker 1: man him like an alligator. I mean, all we've been
24:45
Speaker 1: told is human remains have been found. We have no
24:47
Speaker 1: idea what the human remains are. But the entire time
24:50
Speaker 1: that we've been discussing this case, we've been talking about
24:53
Speaker 1: how treacherous the conditions are in that area, and how
24:58
Speaker 1: you can't even survive because of the bugs. So I
25:01
Speaker 1: have to wonder what happened to him. He could have
25:03
Speaker 1: committed suicide. I don't know how. Of course, I don't
25:07
Speaker 1: know how he would have done that. It's in his
25:09
Speaker 1: personality disorder to commit suicide. But I'm also wondering if
25:13
Speaker 1: something else happened. Okay, out to you, Joe Scott Morgan,
25:17
Speaker 1: what's the likelihood we're ever going to get a cause
25:19
Speaker 1: of death? It's it's gonna be tough. I'm not saying
25:22
Speaker 1: that they're not going to get one. But this is
25:24
Speaker 1: the problem that you encounter, Nancy. If there's no soft tissue, skin, muscle,
25:29
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, you can't examine the neck for
25:31
Speaker 1: any kind of literature mark. Now you might you might
25:35
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to see a broken bone like the highoid.
25:37
Speaker 1: But most of the time the highoid's gone really quick.
25:40
Speaker 1: And if you're talking about toxicology after this period of time,
25:44
Speaker 1: if his timeline matches up with roughly with the last
25:48
Speaker 1: time he was seen, he's been down that long. In
25:51
Speaker 1: a way, it's going to be very, very difficult to
25:53
Speaker 1: do any kind of toxicological examination on him. Nancy. In
25:57
Speaker 1: the last hours, we are learning more out the developments
26:01
Speaker 1: that led to the discovery of what we believe to
26:04
Speaker 1: be Brian Laundry's belongings and potential human remains. But why
26:10
Speaker 1: now the coincidence of the parents. His parents just going
26:13
Speaker 1: into this preserve and within a very brief time, less
26:18
Speaker 1: than an hour, they find his belongings near his body.
26:25
Speaker 1: This after cadaver dogs, scent dogs, drones, divers, a fleet
26:34
Speaker 1: of police looking for Brian Laundry, and the parents find
26:38
Speaker 1: him in less than an hour. Take a listen to
26:41
Speaker 1: our cut three sixty six. This is their lawyer, Steve Bertolino,
26:46
Speaker 1: speaking to our friends at CNN. Is the area that
26:50
Speaker 1: they were searching when these discoveries were made? Is this
26:54
Speaker 1: a new area that the parents hadn't informed authorities about before? No,
26:59
Speaker 1: not at all. Indeed, This is the very area of
27:02
Speaker 1: the park that we initially informed law enforcement on. I
27:07
Speaker 1: believe it was September seventeenth that Bryan would be most
27:12
Speaker 1: likely in the preserve in this particular area. As I know,
27:16
Speaker 1: it neared the bridge. I think it's the bridge that
27:19
Speaker 1: might connect the Mayacahachee Environmental Park with the Carlton Reserve.
27:26
Speaker 1: Was this a very deep way or distance into the preserve? No,
27:33
Speaker 1: Mister Laundry informed me that it was. It was quite
27:36
Speaker 1: near the entrance. He didn't put an exact distance on it.
27:40
Speaker 1: He put a time frame of about thirty minutes in,
27:44
Speaker 1: but I would guess could be a mila too into
27:47
Speaker 1: the preserve. To you, Moss SOCIETI was it a mile
28:04
Speaker 1: in or two? It's really hard to tell. For two reasons.
28:09
Speaker 1: We saw one, we weren't sure exactly where the discovery
28:12
Speaker 1: was made. Flying from above, we know where we saw activity,
28:16
Speaker 1: but we don't know if that's where officers law enforcement
28:20
Speaker 1: they were just hanging out there, or if that is
28:22
Speaker 1: exactly where the remains were found. What we are trying
28:26
Speaker 1: to do is to pull up the address where the
28:30
Speaker 1: Mustang was found and figure out how far away that
28:34
Speaker 1: is to the bridge. Where the attorney is saying these
28:37
Speaker 1: discoveries were made. But according to the attorney, it was
28:39
Speaker 1: about one or two miles and thirty minutes, and there
28:43
Speaker 1: is more. Take a listen again to the attorney's stamen. Bertolinos,
28:46
Speaker 1: thinking to our friends at CNN, this is our three
28:49
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Christian Roberto walked into the preserve his minderstanding
28:54
Speaker 1: that they were followed closely by the two law enforcement personnel.
28:58
Speaker 1: And when I say closely, certainly, and I shut And
29:01
Speaker 1: as they went further in, Chris ventured off the trail
29:05
Speaker 1: into the woods. He was zig zagging in different areas.
29:09
Speaker 1: Law enforcement was doing the same thing, and Roberto Laundry
29:13
Speaker 1: was walking down the trail and I believe that is
29:16
Speaker 1: on some video to some other news outlet. At some point,
29:19
Speaker 1: Chris locates what's called a dry bag. The dry bag
29:23
Speaker 1: is a white bag laying in the woods I'll say
29:27
Speaker 1: twenty feet or so off the trail. According to Chris,
29:30
Speaker 1: it was in some brambles. Chris didn't want to pick
29:34
Speaker 1: the bag up because he wanted to law enforcement to
29:37
Speaker 1: see it. This was caught on camera. Chris couldn't find
29:41
Speaker 1: the law enforcement because they were then out of sight,
29:43
Speaker 1: because Chris had been in the woods, so he didn't
29:46
Speaker 1: want to leave the bag there with the news reporter
29:48
Speaker 1: standing yearby, so he picked it up. He did beat
29:51
Speaker 1: up shortly with law enforcement. They looked at the contents
29:55
Speaker 1: of the bag, looked at the contents of the bag.
29:59
Speaker 1: Zig bagging out into the woods. Out to you, Cheryl McCollum.
30:03
Speaker 1: Zig zagging out into the woods and use zigzag right
30:08
Speaker 1: into the possessions and you're out of the eyesight of
30:13
Speaker 1: law enforcement. I mean, and again, the attorney says something
30:16
Speaker 1: here that is so odd to me. The very people
30:20
Speaker 1: that are their videotaping you would think, God, this is
30:23
Speaker 1: gonna make it great. You know, here it is I'm
30:25
Speaker 1: going to go get law enforcement or I'm gonna holler
30:28
Speaker 1: for them or something. The attorney makes it seem like,
30:31
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Laundry didn't trust the video who person,
30:36
Speaker 1: so he wanted to take the bag, he didn't want
30:38
Speaker 1: to leave it. Well, again, that's odd to me. That's
30:42
Speaker 1: a weird way to almost frame that sentence that you
30:45
Speaker 1: don't trust the very people that are ensuring that, Hey,
30:48
Speaker 1: this wasn't plan it. I mean, both of those things
30:51
Speaker 1: can't be true straight out to doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists
30:55
Speaker 1: joining us, Doctor Angie, if the notebook is in the
30:59
Speaker 1: dry bag. At first I thought, oh no, the notebook
31:02
Speaker 1: that could be Laundry's notebook is destroyed from being underwater.
31:06
Speaker 1: Now I know it may have been in that white
31:08
Speaker 1: dry bag we saw, so I've got no doubt in
31:13
Speaker 1: my mind. Now Brian Laundry most likely poured his innermost
31:18
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings into his notebook, just judging by what
31:22
Speaker 1: I saw in his room at home at his parents'
31:27
Speaker 1: home every time we saw him on the vlog that Gabby,
31:33
Speaker 1: how he was reading or taking notes, very very introspective.
31:40
Speaker 1: Do you think we will find out from that notebook
31:43
Speaker 1: anything usable? What we could potentially find from that notebook
31:48
Speaker 1: is how how his mood has been changing over the
31:54
Speaker 1: course of the weeks that the country has been looking
31:57
Speaker 1: for him. That's what I think they can They can
32:00
Speaker 1: watch a change in his mood and demeanor by his
32:03
Speaker 1: writing style and by the content. But the reality, the
32:07
Speaker 1: reality to deal carson his mood, his mood. Do we
32:13
Speaker 1: care about Brian Laundry's mood look, regardless of what his
32:18
Speaker 1: parents have done or not done. Nobody wants to see
32:22
Speaker 1: a parent suffer. But can we just get real for
32:26
Speaker 1: a moment. Ryan Laundry's mood. I think he murdered Gabby.
32:32
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about his mood infested in that notebook.
32:36
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of information in that notebook that relates
32:41
Speaker 1: particularly to his behavior in the last six months, So
32:45
Speaker 1: it's critical And even if it's wet, they'll still be
32:49
Speaker 1: able to recover some of the writing, typically by use
32:52
Speaker 1: of new technologies that also involve freezing it in a
32:56
Speaker 1: vacuum in order to preserve the text. You're right, Explain
33:00
Speaker 1: how that works, show, Scott Morgan. Yeah, what Dale is
33:03
Speaker 1: referring to. First off, I think that more than likely
33:06
Speaker 1: this notebook is going to be sent to somebody Dale's
33:09
Speaker 1: very familiar with. It will go to the FBI crime
33:12
Speaker 1: Lab to their question document a center. And what's going
33:16
Speaker 1: to happen is that when this freezing takes place, they'll
33:20
Speaker 1: be able to actually use alternative light sources, things like infrared,
33:24
Speaker 1: this sort of thing to super enhance these pages. They're
33:27
Speaker 1: going to cease this kind of breakdown that takes place
33:31
Speaker 1: with the cellulose based paper, and it'll freeze it just
33:34
Speaker 1: for a moment and they can actually photograph it and
33:36
Speaker 1: begin to pull out the detail on the scene that's
33:38
Speaker 1: going to be essential. They have some amazing ways to
33:42
Speaker 1: make this writing come back to life, particularly nowadays as
33:45
Speaker 1: opposed to the way it used to be. We're finding
33:48
Speaker 1: out more, and of course you have to consider the source.
33:50
Speaker 1: The source is the Longry family lawyer Stephen Bertolino speaking
33:54
Speaker 1: to our friends at CNN. We're finding out more of
33:57
Speaker 1: what he says, exactly what happened. Take a listener our
34:01
Speaker 1: cut three six nine. Law enforcement officers showed him a
34:05
Speaker 1: picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement
34:09
Speaker 1: had located, also nearby and also some distance off the trail.
34:15
Speaker 1: At that point, the laundries were notified there was also
34:20
Speaker 1: remains used the backpack, and they were asked to leave
34:24
Speaker 1: the preserve. What do you make of the suggestion that
34:28
Speaker 1: mister Laundry planted the bag and the backpack the nice
34:33
Speaker 1: terms of hogwash? Would the authorities have known what they
34:38
Speaker 1: walked onto the trail with. Absolutely, they met them at
34:43
Speaker 1: the gate, wore somewhere nearby. They walked in with them.
34:46
Speaker 1: And the more importantly christis is what I said. Fortunately
34:50
Speaker 1: for the laundries, the press was following them in the
34:52
Speaker 1: whole time, to Musso said, joining us at FLATV joining
34:57
Speaker 1: us right there in Florida, mos. What was the Gabby
35:01
Speaker 1: Petito family reaction to this. There has been nothing released
35:07
Speaker 1: through their attorney, and I looked at their social media
35:11
Speaker 1: pages late last night and they hadn't said anything. So,
35:16
Speaker 1: assuming they're waiting until their remains are positively identified to
35:21
Speaker 1: make a statement, I didn't want to just stay very quickly.
35:24
Speaker 1: You know, my job is to hold people accountable, and
35:27
Speaker 1: it's becoming more difficult to not think that law enforcement
35:32
Speaker 1: dropped the ball here, assuming what the attorney is saying
35:35
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, they opened up a scene to
35:38
Speaker 1: the public when human remains were very easy to find,
35:43
Speaker 1: They didn't have eyes on Brian Laundry. Brian Laundry got away,
35:47
Speaker 1: and now, according to the attorney, they knew back on
35:49
Speaker 1: the thirteenth that he never returned, and they knew exactly
35:55
Speaker 1: where he would likely be and they didn't find him.
35:58
Speaker 1: So it's just becoming increasingly difficult to think that law
36:04
Speaker 1: enforcement didn't make multiple mistakes in the situation. What's your
36:08
Speaker 1: response to that, Cheryl McCall him, Well, the attorney, you know,
36:11
Speaker 1: he hasn't wanted to keep his mouth shut the whole time,
36:13
Speaker 1: but he didn't make it clear to anyone that the
36:16
Speaker 1: family reported him missing. On the thirteenth, he says on
36:19
Speaker 1: the videotape, he called law enforcement himself. So I can't
36:23
Speaker 1: imagine you've let people believe that that Mama sat there
36:26
Speaker 1: from the thirteenth through the seventeenth, not doing anything. So
36:30
Speaker 1: that was one of the things that we factored in
36:33
Speaker 1: to show that they must have knowledge of where he
36:36
Speaker 1: is because they were going to Starbucks and cutting their grass.
36:39
Speaker 1: So again it is baffling to me. You know, law
36:43
Speaker 1: enforcement knows by the eleventh that she's missing, they know
36:46
Speaker 1: the van is there, They've contacted Cassie and everybody else
36:49
Speaker 1: by phone. They tell Mom and Dad were coming over
36:52
Speaker 1: to the house. The FBI shows up on the seventeenth.
36:55
Speaker 1: But again, like I have said it from the beginning,
36:57
Speaker 1: nobody actually saw Brian. Nobody, not the FBI, not the
37:03
Speaker 1: local police, not his attorney. And I will still say
37:07
Speaker 1: that attorney has only quoted Mom and Daddy. He's never
37:09
Speaker 1: one time quoteed Brin because he's never met with him.
37:13
Speaker 1: Miss leaving with Gabby Petito's family. Basically, no hope of
37:20
Speaker 1: ever getting justice in a court of law. We wait
37:26
Speaker 1: for that coroner's report and for a positive identification. Nancy
37:30
Speaker 1: Grace Crimes story, signing off goodbye friend,