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Eyes on the Ocean | Andy Smith on Sea Safety and Coastal Life · DunkersPodcast

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Good afternoon. Well, this is the Dunker's
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podcast and we're, this is at #1 we're out on our first roadshow.
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Well, not exactly a roadshow, but we're out and we're away
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from the studio, away from the kitchen table, as most of you
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know. And I'm actually at a Coast
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Watch station in Nevin. I've probably got that slightly
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wrong. The address might be a bit
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different. However, the the boss of this
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Coastwatch station, Andy Smith, is going to be with us today.
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And as we've left our kitchen table, Criccieth, which is very
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near, is the home to Andy. And he proves that life is
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better when you say yes. Simple as that.
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From collecting cars to helping launch Vodafone into the mobile
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stratosphere. And he's always been a man ahead
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of the curve. Unless that curve involves
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restoring another classic sports car.
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Gary's space is a bit tight, I believe we'll ask him about that
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these days. He swapped board rooms for
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binoculars, running the Coastwatch station and keeping
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an eye on the vast unpredictable Irish Sea and probably a few
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dunkers bobbing around off duty. Andy's a family man, 4 kids was
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3 wives. Current wife.
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Kay is an artistic Kate genius and an absolute legend and we
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all love her to death. And a total softy when it comes
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to dogs, Wagga Tail and Andy. I'll melt.
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Join us as we chat to Andy on site at this Coast Watch post
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with real sea spray, a bit of wind, pardon me, and probably
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more background noise than usual because life at the edge of the
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land. It's where the stories really
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start. Andy, welcome to Dunkers
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Podcast. Thank you, Mark.
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Thanks for that wonderful introduction, makes me sound
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very important. So can you give me the address?
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Where, where? Where exactly are we are near
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Nevin, aren't we? Yeah, this is Porthin Klein
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Head. So anybody that's listening that
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knows where they are in a live station is or the Teacock, the
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pub. If you walk past the Teacock,
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which is hard, and then past the ROI station where the little
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white cubed building right on the end of the point was a Coast
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Guard station many, many years ago.
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And it has, you know, roughly a kind of 240 degree 250° view
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from here of of the sea. So we've got a great view of
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people that are vessels that are coming in and out, whether it's
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to visit the pub or whether it's fishermen or or people out on
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yachts. And we'll get into that a little
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bit in a, in a few minutes. First of all, though, I mean,
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Andy, because this is the Dunker's podcast.
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Andy, you're a dunker, but in in a more remote and certainly on a
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Stony beach place than we are because cricket has got a lovely
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coastline but there's lots of stones.
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Yes, you've got to pick your time to go in.
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It's it's actually best to go in when the tide is in.
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But then you've got the the Stony walk out to get get into
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deeper water. If you go in when the tide's
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out, you get sand, but you've got a long way to get out.
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I'm, I'm curious, do you when you do go dunking, do you find
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that it sort of changes your mindset?
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Do you have a a new affinity with the water because you're
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spending, oh, you're spending hours up here.
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The honest answer is don't do enough of it.
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Neither of us do. But we both love it and we've
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just come back from Port Isaac on holiday and we did some
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dunking down there in the Bay in Port Isaac, which was lovely.
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Port Isaac, Devon, Cornwall. Yeah, yeah.
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Devon, the home of Doc Martin. Ah, right.
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Yeah, OK. Dunning Place.
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Yeah. And isn't isn't it also the home
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of a a a little group of singers?
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It is Fisherman's friends, yeah. Fisherman's friends, yeah.
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Right, did did you manage to swing a chord or two with them?
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No, but it's a slightly interesting story.
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But we did meet John Cleve, who's the he's often known as
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the kind of lead of Fisherman's Friends.
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He's got the kind of handlebar mustache and the bald head.
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We've met him twice now when we've been down there and once
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got invited to genuinely a private party that he had in the
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pub on the front where Fisherman's Friends was filmed.
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Wow. It was his birthday and I bumped
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into him walking Zappy and German Shepherd and he he gave
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the shepherd a fuss and we got chatting and he invited us to
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the pub and we got a a private concert because he said a couple
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of his mates were willing to join in.
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But it turned out all the band bar about two were there and
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there was only maybe 20 people in the bar.
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It was amazing. Fantastic, fantastic.
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So it was a concert for you? It was fabulous, Absolutely
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Fabulous. So from dunking into singing,
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yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the common denominator
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pub? Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
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Cider. Cider.
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Cider. Yeah, you've got, I suppose
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you've got a drink. Cider.
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Down there, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do they allow Guinness?
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Yeah, they do. Yeah.
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Do you. But down there there's there's a
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quite a famous cider called Rattler, which given my
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automotive background is actually brewed by the Austin
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Healy family and it's very, very nice side on draft.
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So we normally partake in a couple.
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Gosh, there's lots of connections coming out here,
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isn't it? Aren't there?
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Yeah, yeah. So, so when you do go dunking,
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you do go on your own or or with Kay or with a a group or.
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No, we just go with Kay. We don't do it in in a group.
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Sometimes with the kids, but no, it's always with Kay.
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I don't do. There is a a very prolific meet
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in cricket, the Woolly Hatters meet everybody.
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Oh, of course we've not. We've not gone down there and
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taken part in that. Right, right.
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But some of our friends do Gilly, you know, she, she dunks
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with them. Yeah, yeah.
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And they're, they're sort of more or less females, aren't
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they? The Woolly Hatters.
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As far as I'm aware. Yeah, yeah.
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So you'll have to come to come to Abersock.
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You'll fear there's a there's a bit more testosterone around.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mind you it's a bit aged
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testosterone of course be honest if I have anything to do.
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Right. This is much testosterone.
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When you getting out it's a cold.
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No, probably. Probably not.
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No, we, we all everything hidden discreetly, Yes, Yeah, as you
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would imagine. So the, the, the great thing
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about this particular site is that as you say, there's 240 to
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probably almost 250, even 70° visibility.
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Just describe to to our listener exactly what we're looking at,
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if you will. Well, I think it is one of the
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most stunning parts of Wales, probably one of the most
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stunning parts of the UK. So being right on the point
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here, we can see the mountains of the rivals.
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We can see like Griffin down down to the right here.
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We can see Anglesey and Holyhead.
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And on a clear evening, because we're fairly high up, you can
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see the mountains in Whitlow from here.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Which is 70 miles away. Goodness, goodness.
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So do you often see many boats that are are making voyage over
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there, making passage over to? No, most.
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Most of the vessels we see are either coming down from
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Carnarvon. The larger vessels either coming
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down from Carnarvon or around from Pythaglio Absok, the the
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real large bulk carriers come only come within about 20 miles
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of us. And we can see them on the
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tracking system that we have here.
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And if they're very large ones, you can see them just on the
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horizon. But the the the main people we
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get around here are in, in, in winter it's the fisherman,
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commercial fishermen and in summer it's obviously fishermen
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plus all the tourists and leisure, leisure boats.
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OK, right. Before we actually sort of get
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into the constitution of the community that you look after,
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I'm going to try, so just jump in, I'm going to try and
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describe what, what, where this particular building.
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So it is, it literally is, is a small square building.
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It's probably about 8 feet by 10 feet.
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It's we're on a second level. So, so and we're high up on the
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edge of the Cliff. So we we obviously clearly
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figuratively and literally look down on everybody in the room
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that we're we're here, we've got loads and loads of of Wi-Fi and
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presumably short range radio. We've got a big chart, a big
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table with a chart on. And is that the whole of your
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your visibility is this? Yeah.
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Well, more than. So the chart that you're looking
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at, you'll see that there are, there are lines around it
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radiating from this particular watchtower.
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And they designate how many nautical miles a particular
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vessel may be that we have to estimate roughly where a vessel
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is if we see one out there in trouble.
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But there are rings on the map that, that show us roughly where
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they may be. And the, the one at the top one,
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there's a, there's one called horizon at 10.8 nautical miles.
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And that is obviously what it sounds.
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It is where we can see. If we saw a small vessel in the
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water at 10.8 miles, we'd see them.
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Beyond that, at 11 miles, we probably wouldn't see them
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because it's the curved earth effect.
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Of course, right. So.
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That's that's that's as much of the horizon as we can see.
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It's about 10.8 miles from here. Right, which is a long way for a
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small vessel, especially to be out there.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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But if it's a large yacht, we will see them at 15 miles maybe
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if it, you know, if it's a big enough yacht.
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Yeah, because he's got obviously they've got the the of his mast.
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So okay, so just to continue our background.
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So we've got windows all the way around, literally all the way
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around bar one wall. And that wall is effectively
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land facing, land facing over the golf course.
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So if you're a golfer, if you've ever played Nevin, would you?
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You'd see the Watchtower wouldn't?
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You yes they will tee off right at the side of it.
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I see them as well. Do you?
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Do you often? Sort of.
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Because I know you're a golfer. Think lousy shot, mate.
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I could have done better. I often say to them, you know,
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on on this hole, it's nearest the green, not nearest the pen.
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Just try and hit the green. It's just, it's a magnificent
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hole, but it's difficult to play.
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Yeah, it seems as though it rolls away pretty.
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Quick and it's always windy here so it's difficult to control if
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it's high winds. Right.
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So do you. OK, this is, this is where it
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all happens. This is what it looks like.
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As I say, you've got masses and masses of kitten here, which is,
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which is really impressive. And for the uninitiated like me,
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I'm glad to say I can see there is an alphabet on the wall which
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has got the the proper designation.
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So the is this the phonetic, yeah, ABCD, etcetera.
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So yeah, there's there's no excuse to to get it wrong, I
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guess. OK, so we've got we're out on a
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peninsula. We're miles away or appeals
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miles away from from anywhere, although we're we're actually
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not We're we're we're great visibility down onto the sea and
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what happens on a shift on at coast watch.
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OK, what? Take me from the time that you
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unlock the door? So we are eyes along the coast.
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That's the best 3 words I can I can describe what we do.
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We are in effect what the Coast Guard used to do.
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There used to be 300 Coast Guard stations around the country.
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The last ones closed in 1994, of which this was one of them.
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Why is that? Sorry to interrupt because the
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government at the time decided that they with the technology
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there was that they get away with just running the Coast
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Guard from 10 stations around the around the country.
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A lot of the stations were then just closed and there was one
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particular station on the South Coast, Bass Point, where there
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was a tragedy with a fishing vessel and it was soon after the
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Coast Guard closed that particular station.
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So the. All eyes were all eyes were
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pointed to the government. Absolutely.
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So the the Coast Guard volunteers, they decided to form
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their own Coast Watch station there and that was the very
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first one that was formed. And now there are 61 around the
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country. Wow.
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All volunteers all. Volunteers.
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There isn't a a single paid member in the Coast Watch.
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We all have to raise our own funds.
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Each station raises their own funds and we don't get any
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support from from anywhere else other than the generosity of the
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public. So the the the time and the
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effort and the energy that people put in, it's all about
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believing they want to keep people.
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Safe it is the, the common denominator is people who want
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to do something good and want to put something back into the
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community. And that's, that's admirable.
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You know, we're always looking for volunteers.
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So if anybody is listening to this and and feels that they
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might be interested in doing it, then we would welcome you to
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come and come down to the watchtower, bang on the door,
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doesn't matter which who, who's on watch.
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They will take you upstairs, show you around and and tell you
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what we do. And if we go even deeper into
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that, that you could actually it's the same approach whichever
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watchtower you have them to go to of all of the 61.
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Wherever you go. OK, so it answered to your
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earlier question then we, we, we go on watch.
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We have a 5 hour shift and in that five hours we can't sit
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here reading or watching tennis. We are constantly watching what
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is going out in the sea there. Now in winter months that can be
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very quiet. In summer months it can be
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incredibly busy because we we, we spot, we plot what we see.
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If there's a problem that we see where somebody's get in trouble,
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we report it and respond and get onto the Coast Guard and they
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decide whether they've launched or the RNLI or the police or
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whichever search and rescue service might need to happen.
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So we're constantly looking for people that we think might be
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vulnerable. So we have a, a process by which
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we kind of categorise, OK, so if you've got a, a vessel out there
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that's, you know, sailing nicely, they've all got life
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jackets on and they're just enjoying themselves, you know,
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then we still note where they are.
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So we note first position and then we keep an eye on them.
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But if we see another vessel out there, perhaps a speedboat with
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lots of kids in and no life jackets and overcrowded, and
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that becomes a priority for us to watch as with paddle board,
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as if we feel they're getting in trouble.
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Or kayakers. Because one of the big things
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that, you know, if I could talk to everybody that came down onto
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the front here to do some water sports, I'd say make sure you
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know what the wind's doing. Make sure you know what the
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tide's doing. Make sure you've got a phone
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with you. And it's remarkable the number
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of times that that doesn't happen, sadly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And but looking out of this
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windows now, I would think if you were in a kayak, stroke
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canoe and or a paddle board, it's it's pretty bleak.
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Yes, it is yeah. So if you're around here on one
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of those craft, then you're taking a bit of a chance anyway.
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It's, yeah, very exposed. We had an incident recently
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about 5-6 weeks ago of a kayaker that came out of Porthy Incline
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and the the watch keeper was keeping a very close eye on him.
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There wasn't much much activity at the time, but it was quite
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strong winds and the tide was going out and the wind was
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offshore. And as he watched the kayak, he
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could see that he was he was paddling to try and get in and
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he was very slowly continuing to come out.
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So immediately he would get concerned about that.
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He documents it, documents exactly where he is, rings the
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Coast Guard and said we think this man's in trouble.
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The Coast Guard then decide, they make the decision.
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We don't make the decision. They they even decision to
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launch if they do and they did launch from here, the Coast
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Guard, then they do not let go of that issue until it's fully
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resolved, whatever it is so. And that, presumably, is the man
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back on land. Back and safe on land.
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So that's whether it's a child, whether it's a dog, whether it's
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a kayaker, it doesn't matter what it is.
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The Coast Guard are exceptional at managing an incident from
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start to finish. OK, absolutely incredible.
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So the Coast Guard will, they will be the people that would
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call in the helicopter or the RNL, the lifeboat, RNLI or, or
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as you say, the ambulance services, the yeah, emergency
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services, the. The Coast Guard are the glue to
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all the marine search and rescue.
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You must make their job a lot easier because if you the 61 of
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you around the country weren't there, they would be well
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stretched, wouldn't they? I mean, they're bearing in mind
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we're all volunteers and you know, we're only open 5 hours a
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day. Some of the stations on the
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South Coast have as many as 90 volunteers, so they will open
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from 9:00 in the morning till 6:00 at night.
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And over the course of a year, there are thousands of incidents
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where the NCIS instigated that that emergency rescue.
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And though it's an obvious thing to ask, but I'll ask it anyway.
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So you really can only offer an effective service in the hours
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of the day of daylight. Yeah, absolutely.
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So what happens at night? Nothing we can do that.
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It relies purely on either somebody not getting back at the
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time they should do so whoever was expecting them will ring the
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Coast Guard or the police, or if it's if it's a yacht, they will
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ring the Coast Guard themselves. Yes, yachts generally have got
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all the right equipment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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OK. And is that the same throughout
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all the stations everywhere? You you only operate through
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hours and hours daylight. There are, there is there is a
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few projects around at the moment, one that I'm involved
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with it, which is putting a remote camera on Black Rock
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Sands, because round here there are two main areas where people
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get into trouble regularly. One is round in the sound at
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Barzee. OK, they don't.
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There aren't many of those, but when they happen, they're more
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serious. Yeah.
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Is that because of the tides? Just for the our listener who
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doesn't understand the sound. Water there, if it's well, even
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on a calm day, the water seems like it's almost boiling when
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you go in the Sound, because of course the water's pushing round
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the island and meeting around the back of the island.
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That's what causes it, yeah. And Barzee itself, which is a
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small island about what, half a mile off off the mainland that
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is actually creating a funnel effect, presumably.
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It is exactly so. It's similar to Menai Straits.
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OK, similar concept. To Menai, water rushes round
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Anglesey and and comes into the middle and you get that boiling
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effect and and particularly at at high, high and low tides.
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Right, right. And yeah, because, but I have
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heard that Barnsley, if you're on a boat, you can actually
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almost stand still. Yes.
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Yeah, because the sound runs that quickly.
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Yeah. I mean, we went round it, we had
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about years ago, we went out on a flat calm Bay round round
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Barty and it's still quite, quite, quite a challenge going
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around there. Is it really?
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Yeah. It's a little bit nerve
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wracking, yeah. So the, there's, there's,
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there's obviously there's one or two real sort of lessons for,
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for people to learn. And that is, first of all, I
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guess you've got to have a craft that you can keep in contact
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with, with somebody else with I your mobile phone.
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Make sure that you're not, you're not trying, especially on
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a small craft that the wind isn't pushing you out into the
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ocean. And the, the, the fact that you
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understand where the tide, what's happening with the water.
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Yeah, yeah. And yeah.
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Anything else that you would suggest?
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Weather. Weather, of course.
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Of course, tide, I mean, weather's obviously part of part
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of which way the wind's going. But weather, weather generally,
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you know, if if you know there's a squaw coming, don't go out,
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no. And that and we have had
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incidents that we've had here where that has been the case.
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So just just to give you a picture of, of some of them.
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So we had a rescue about 18 months ago, which was two people
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on a jet ski similar situation. The tide was going out, the wind
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was against. Now obviously jet skis are quite
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powerful, but they're not very powerful when you fall off them.
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And these two individuals fell off in rough seas.
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The jet ski carried on and they were both in trouble.
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And again, fortunately we were on, we were on watch.
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It was during our hours and one of the this was about October,
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November time. So it's.
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Cold gosh the waters, Yeah. One of them managed to climb
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onto some rocks near where the station is here and the other
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person was was left in in the sea.
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So we ran the Coast Guard, they launched the lifeboat from here.
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They rescued both of them. But it turned out once they got
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them in and rescued, that one of them was an epileptic.
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OK. Could have been, could have been
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quite serious because they will have started to panic by the
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time yeah, yeah, they were rescued.
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And body temperature going down, as we, as we dunkers know in
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November, you can, you're lucky if you've got 12 degrees, 10 or
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12° in the water. Yeah, yeah.
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And do you, do you, do you get many?
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And I don't want to sort of over dramatise it, but do you get
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many incidents or is it more watching and and just just be so
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could OK I'm I'm out in a boat. I realise I'm in in trouble.
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I have got a phone with me. Would I ring the RNLI?
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Would I ring 999? Would I ring you and if so,
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9999? Always 999, OK, because although
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we have direct dialogue with the Coast Guard on on a regular
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basis through the day, if there's an incident, we ring 999
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because it goes through as a priority call.
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Right. If it's just the phone ringing
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that we normally ring, they won't necessarily pick it up if
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they've got an incident going on somewhere.
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SO999 always. And as far as your
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communications go, as I mentioned very briefly, you seem
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to have a lot of kit here so you can talk to about and talk to
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the emergency services at the same time and just you're like
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the go between at that point. So just to kind of give you a
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quick tour of what we've got in here, we have, we have two
24:43
marine radios. 1 is dedicated to our own channel because the NCI
24:49
has its own channel 65, which anybody can call up for radio
24:53
checks, weather checks or whatever they want to.
24:56
But that Channel, that particular radio set also
25:00
listens to channel 16, which is the emergency channel.
25:03
So anybody who's in trouble always, always communicate on
25:07
channel 16. All the other channels are just
25:11
for use when the Coast Guard might have an interaction with
25:17
somebody and it might be somebody just wanting a little
25:20
bit of information and they'll they'll tell them move to
25:22
channel 18 or move to channel 21.
25:25
Or oh, they'll they'll give them instructions.
25:27
Instructions, yeah, to keep channel 16 presumably clear for
25:31
if somebody else. Yeah, because you do
25:33
occasionally get people who are not familiar with having a VHF
25:37
radio having a chat about where the best mackerel fishing is or
25:41
where they should, where they should more up, you know, isn't.
25:44
That why you use the radio. The other radio is a standard
25:50
marine radio that scans all channels.
25:55
The only thing that makes that different from a standard marine
25:58
radio is it also listens to channel 00, which is the search
26:03
and rescue channel. OK, OK.
26:05
So. Are you able to transmit on 00?
26:10
We are, but we don't. No, but we as general public.
26:14
Wouldn't, No. Absolutely not.
26:15
We have to use 16. Absolutely not 16.
26:17
OK. It's and then hopefully this
26:20
this this podcast will will give a few messages and reminders to
26:24
people. I'm sure I'm sure the majority
26:27
of our our listeners will be well schooled and well au fait
26:31
with this, but it's a nudge sometimes is a is a nice idea.
26:35
It's it's just the with the advent of affordable blow up
26:41
paddle boards as well that can be bought from sports goods, but
26:46
also supermarkets. They are, they are quite a
26:50
problem. So you know, we'll get several
26:52
incidents a year where somebody will be getting blown out to sea
26:55
on them usually usually kids, but blown out to sea without any
27:02
life jacket on, probably sometimes without a wet suit,
27:06
but certainly generally without a radio.
27:09
And then it becomes a parent panicking seeing them or
27:12
something, somebody that we will see getting into trouble.
27:15
So it's just having a bit of common sense before you get out
27:18
on the water, having a little checklist that says, you know,
27:21
I've thought this through, I know what the weather's doing
27:24
and I'm going to, I'm going to play safe.
27:26
And on this part of the world, because you've got eyes on 10
27:30
miles and more through 200 and 42170°, you're, you're a great,
27:38
you're a great support for them, aren't you?
27:40
You know, that's the point. If they are anywhere in this Bay
27:44
or all the way around to the other side of Pastile or or the
27:49
Rivals, you've just got your eyes on this all the time.
27:52
Yeah, yeah, we've got, we've got other equipment we've got, we've
27:56
got several optics in here the the large binoculars there.
28:00
We'll we'll see out past pistol and very clearly we could pick
28:04
up an upturned yacht in outside a pistol with those.
28:10
And then we have something called, it's called a Polaris,
28:13
but basically, if you think of it, it's a large compass about
28:19
the size of a dinner plate. And on there is mounted a
28:27
telescope and it's got a little pointer on it.
28:30
So if we see something out in trouble, somebody out on the
28:33
water, we can tell within exactly how many degrees away
28:38
from the station that they are. And that's really important for
28:41
us because at that point, if we know they're in trouble, we can
28:44
ring the Coast Guard and say they are 270° from the station.
28:48
They're roughly 5 miles out now. It doesn't matter if we get the
28:52
five miles out wrong. What matters is that we've said
28:54
it's 270° from the station. Yeah, they're on the rugby.
28:57
Way I can know that is from that.
28:59
OK, OK. And then the last bit of
29:02
equipment that we do have is we have a big ray marine chart
29:08
plotter. And basically what that is for
29:11
listeners, it is a, a screen that displays all the sea area
29:16
that we've got in here. And then if there's a larger
29:19
vessel on there that has an AIS on it, which is automatic
29:25
information system, you can we can tell exactly where they are
29:29
to within a few meters and exactly what their course is.
29:33
And in some cases, it'll tell us where they're heading.
29:37
So that's. It's very impressive.
29:38
That's very important. Yeah, yeah.
29:40
And those those Ray marine type kits I think I've seen on actual
29:44
boats as well, don't they that? Is a boat piece kit.
29:47
Is it really? Yeah, Yeah, it is.
29:49
So, yeah, it's one. One way or another, you've got
29:53
it. Do you think I, I'm just
29:54
wondering whether the listener's going to notice and whether
29:58
you're going to notice if I half inch these binoculars because
30:01
the Andy lent me a pair of binoculars when they first came
30:04
in and they were just magnificent.
30:07
So yeah, yeah, they're. Very good binoculars.
30:10
Yeah, you do. You do.
30:11
So I'm just going to, I'm going to just sidetrack a little bit.
30:14
Thank you. We've got a real handle on what
30:17
you do as far as you as a dunker goes.
30:20
Are you happy to to to sort of make this part of your life?
30:27
So you've, you're dunking, you've got your cars, you've
30:31
got, oh, well, you've, you've got lots and lots of different
30:35
distractions. Yeah.
30:36
Do you ever feel that your time is sort of so precious that you
30:42
can think, oh, well, I won't go up to Coast Watch because
30:44
somebody else will do it because it's all volunteers.
30:47
And I'll, I'll sort of play with my car or play a game of golf.
30:50
No, I can't do that. I would be mortified if if there
30:55
was some, some incident that to happen and I wasn't on hand to
31:00
resolve that. So you, you, you can't do that.
31:04
You have to when you commit to do it apart from illness or
31:10
people who have some kind of issue that's come up that they
31:12
don't, they don't know, didn't know that would happen.
31:17
The we are expected to come and watch.
31:19
If we say we're going to come and watch.
31:21
Brilliant. So, yeah, yeah.
31:22
That's yeah, you, you, you've got to stick by the commitment
31:25
you make. Yeah, it's, it's for a, for a
31:28
watch keeper, it's not a huge commitment.
31:30
You're talking about anywhere between 2:00 and 4:00 watches a
31:34
month. You know, we have one person
31:37
that who's who's not, not travels quite a way to get here,
31:41
but he has a, a home down here, holiday home down here and he
31:45
only does one watch a month at the moment.
31:48
He'd like to do more and that's acceptable.
31:50
That's perfectly acceptable. All all we ask is that people
31:53
will do an amount of watch keeping that that works for
31:58
them. It's it's a two way thing, you
32:01
know. So, yeah, clearly, clearly.
32:03
A decent watch keeper. 3-4 watches a month be absolutely
32:07
fine. And with that, with the team
32:09
I've got, I can generally fill, fill every day.
32:12
You know, we're not always able to do that because we haven't,
32:15
We're only a team of 21 watch keepers.
32:18
And of that, some, some people prefer to do it with somebody
32:22
else. And there are some married
32:25
couples who prefer to prefer, prefer to do it together.
32:28
So you're only talking about being able to cover about 14
32:32
watches because you've got, so it's, it can be quite
32:35
challenging. We need more watch keepers.
32:39
We need, you know, some some, dare I say when I say younger
32:44
watch keepers, we're all of an age.
32:45
So if we've got people who are taking early retirement, want to
32:48
do something, don't want to give up working yet, this is an
32:51
ideal. It's just fabulous.
32:54
It's the views are spectacular. It's peaceful, can get a bit
32:58
hairy in summer, but you know that's.
33:01
That goes to the territory that goes and I think that, you know,
33:05
when sitting here, it's it's so professional, so reassuring that
33:10
you've just got all the kit here and you've obviously you must
33:14
have a lot of training to do that, that you goes into it.
33:17
And and I suppose refresh of course is like anything like
33:20
this. You just take refreshers all the
33:22
time. The training isn't that
33:24
difficult Mark you're talking about.
33:26
Probably 10 to 12 watches will take you from applying to become
33:31
a watch keeper to being signed off.
33:33
It's not OK, it's not that hard. It's just a case of getting used
33:37
to that, what the processes are and the routines are because 90%
33:42
of this job is common sense. It's looking and seeing and
33:46
making a judgement if if you think somebody's getting into
33:49
trouble. So it's not difficult for people
33:53
to to get into it and if they've got a passion to do something
33:57
else there. You know, we have a team of
34:00
officers who do stuff. You know, we have a training
34:02
officer, we have a treasurer, we have a secretary, we have
34:07
somebody who's a roster, somebody who's PR, somebody
34:09
who's social media. So there's always stuff to be
34:13
done and I'm always looking for help.
34:16
Yeah, yeah, there's lots of disciplines that underpin the
34:20
the operation, the smooth operation of it, absolutely.
34:22
And and you know, I mean, it would be who knows some of the
34:26
dunkers because the dunkers are generally we've got age against
34:31
us, but we've got time on our hands.
34:33
So, you know, maybe some of the dunkers who have just confined
34:38
234 hours a week a month rather is that'll make a big
34:43
impression. Yes you would.
34:44
Yeah, it would. We we cope close in, in some
34:47
months we're close to getting to the stage where I could do a
34:49
dual shift where I could maybe open from 9:00 in the morning
34:53
till 6:00 at night. And during the summer, summer
34:56
months, particularly bank holidays and things like that,
34:59
I'd like to do that. Yeah, we're sure we're only
35:01
doing 5 hour shifts, but we overlap for half an hour and
35:04
then we're covering from, you know, 9 till six.
35:07
Yeah, that would be my ideal. Well, let, let's, let's keep
35:10
that in, in mind because I think The thing is that we just sort
35:15
of touch back onto Duncan and there's a, on our dunkers
35:19
podcast. We, I've got a couple of
35:20
traditions. 1 is that I'm going to ask you a question that
35:23
somebody else has left for you because, and I'm not going to
35:26
tell you who and I'll get to that.
35:29
But I, I think my own question, the question that I always ask
35:33
anybody, because this is sort of it's just grown out of the
35:37
podcast, is if there was anybody you could go and dunk with and
35:42
dunk anywhere and anywhere at all, who would it be and where
35:46
would it be? It might sound a bit trite to
35:57
say this, but my mother used to dunk at the end of Llanbedrog
36:03
Beach towards Bethelly. She used to drive down and park
36:07
up down there and she used she, she was dunked for years in
36:12
summer. I never went with her.
36:15
Didn't you? No SO.
36:17
That's nice. Yeah, that's with my mum.
36:19
That's great, That's great. And the, the, the question I'm
36:23
going to ask you is what would you, is there something over the
36:29
next 6 or 12 months that you're, you've promised yourself that
36:34
you'll do and, and what do you think it is?
36:42
I would like to try and just pull back a bit from the work
36:49
I'm doing at the moment. So having retired about four
36:54
years ago and and been been kind of here for about 3 1/2 years
36:58
now, I'd just like to get a bit more of time for, for me and for
37:03
us in. So, so that means getting a bit
37:06
more help. We're at the moment looking at
37:09
succession plans and things for the for the station, for all the
37:12
officers that are involved. So getting a bit more structure
37:16
around who does what around the station.
37:19
That's, that's great. And let's let's hope that if, if
37:22
there is a dunker out there that's got a mind, then let's
37:26
encourage them to to get in contact with you.
37:29
Yeah, well, thank you very much indeed, Andy.
37:31
Honestly, real pleasure. It's a it's a whole new space
37:36
that I knew a bit about but didn't understand it anywhere
37:39
near as as professionally as it is.
37:42
And the 61 of these stations doing vital work around the
37:46
country. And more power to you, I.
37:48
Look forward to your application.
37:51
Well, thank you again, and I'll sign off by saying may the
37:56
dunker's spirit go with you. Thank you.
37:58
Thanks, Mark. Thanks.