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10-29 H3: 12th Man Roundtable w/ Gregg Bell & Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: As part of our nonstop coverage of the NFL, this
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  Speaker 1: is Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with the 12th
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  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and Craig Bell. Brought to
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's do this.
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  Speaker 3: Man, there is a lot to discuss with our experts,
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  Speaker 3: our Seahawks insider Greg Bell and our top analyst QB
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  Speaker 3: Juan Hugh Millen joining us here for an hour of
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks conversation as the Seahawks coming off their most impressive
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  Speaker 3: victory of the year, a 20-3 blowout over the Kansas
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  Speaker 3: City Chiefs, and now get ready for another primetime affair
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  Speaker 3: with another of the most fascinating teams in the National
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  Speaker 3: Football League, the Chicago Bears. on Monday Night Football. So, gentlemen,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, we might need 17 hours to discuss
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  Speaker 3: everything we've got to discuss here today, but I do
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  Speaker 3: believe we have to start with the trade. Quentin Nelson
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  Speaker 3: is now a member of the Seattle Seahawks. Greg, how
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  Speaker 3: did this come together? How much better did the Seahawks become?
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  Speaker 4: It came together because Seahawks had 11 draft picks or
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  Speaker 4: had 11 draft picks next year, and John Schneider was
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  Speaker 4: willing to part with a.
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  Speaker 5: Third-round pick for it.
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  Speaker 4: And we talked this week about the networking that John
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  Speaker 4: Schneider has built over 17 years, and even before that, 10,
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  Speaker 4: 15 years as a scout for three teams, the Packers
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  Speaker 4: and Ron Wolfe bringing him up. And he knows organization
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  Speaker 4: from the ground up. The relationship he has with Ed Dodds,
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  Speaker 4: the former scout and executive for the Seahawks under Schneider
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  Speaker 4: for six years through 2016, absolutely helped here. Dodds recently
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  Speaker 4: became the interim Colts general manager. In fact, after they
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  Speaker 4: fired Chris Ballard this month, This was Dodds' first trade.
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  Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson, a three-time All-Pro guard and beloved there. Remember,
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  Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson went to school at Notre Dame and starred
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  Speaker 4: there in Indiana, met his wife there in Indianapolis. He's
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  Speaker 4: entrenched there in Indiana, and to trade him, that was
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  Speaker 4: a big move for Ed Dodds, and I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 4: the reason he did what he did is because it
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  Speaker 4: was John Schneider on the other end of the phone.
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  Speaker 5: That's why they got him. They didn't get him as
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  Speaker 5: a rental.
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  Speaker 4: This fits right in with Go all the way back
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  Speaker 4: to Dwayne Brown, Leonard Williams, Rasheed Shaheed, Ernest Jones, the
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  Speaker 4: midseason acquisitions of star front-line players who have expiring contracts.
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  Speaker 4: John Schneider's habit has been not just to trade for
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  Speaker 4: but then re-sign, extend those guys. And you can bet
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  Speaker 4: that part of that trade discussion was how much money
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  Speaker 4: will it cost us to keep Quentin Nelson. They've talked
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  Speaker 4: to the agents, Tom Condon and CAA already. to find
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  Speaker 4: out how much it'll take to keep him in Seattle
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  Speaker 4: beyond the final three months of this season, and that's
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  Speaker 4: probably going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if that
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  Speaker 4: extension gets announced before the end of this season.
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  Speaker 5: That's how far down the road they probably are. So
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  Speaker 5: now they have three starting guards for two spots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But it's to get an all-pro caliber. Some think he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be in the Hall of Fame caliber guard
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  Speaker 4: to augment the pass protection and the run game.
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  Speaker 3: I think if he retired tomorrow, he's in the Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame with the credentials that he's– thrown up there
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  Speaker 3: thus far. How good a player is he right now?
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Millen, what are we adding to this offensive line
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  Speaker 3: at the left guard position?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's always been a great player.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got an echo. I don't know if we can
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  Speaker 2: fix that, but I think it was fixed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Thank you. Um, you know, he was to be
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  Speaker 2: a five-star coming out of high school. You have to
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  Speaker 2: have a 97 grade or higher. He was 96. So
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  Speaker 2: he was a very high four-star goes to Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: first team, all American. he becomes the sixth overall pick
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  Speaker 2: in the draft. In the last 50 years, there's only
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  Speaker 2: been one guy who played guard in college, drafted higher,
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  Speaker 2: my former teammate Bill Fralick with the Falcons back in
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  Speaker 2: the mid-' 80s. And then as a rookie, he makes the
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  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. He makes eight Pro Bowls. He's a three-time
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  Speaker 2: first-team All-Pro. which matches Steve Hutchinson for his entire career,
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  Speaker 2: including the six years he played with the Vikings. So
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  Speaker 2: you're getting a guy who's been a great player always.
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  Speaker 2: And he is this year. I mean, you know, right
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  Speaker 2: now he's, you know, for what it's worth, PFF has
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  Speaker 2: him the seventh rated guard in run. blocking and third-rated
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  Speaker 2: guard in pass blocking. It's a big upgrade over Anthony Bradford,
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  Speaker 2: who he will replace. Now, there'll be some shuffling involved
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  Speaker 2: in there, but just think of this. You go from
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Bradford to Quentin Nelson. So, yeah, absolutely. He's only
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  Speaker 2: 30 years old, 30 years and seven months. We went
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  Speaker 2: through the list yesterday. There's a number of guards. I
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  Speaker 2: won't go through the list again, but there's a number
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  Speaker 2: of guards who've made the Pro Bowl. at age 32, 33, 34,
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  Speaker 2: even Marshall Yonda with the Ravens at 35. So I
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  Speaker 2: think you can get this year, plus at least a
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  Speaker 2: couple of more great years from him. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: the leadership piece that's going to be vital as well.
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  Speaker 3: Greg, how's the shuffle going to work as you understand it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we're going to get nothing out of practice this week.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to make sure we don't see any of that.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't expect Mike McDonald to come right out
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  Speaker 4: this afternoon. We talked to him at noon and said, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: here's our plan at Interior Offensive Line. But I think
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  Speaker 4: Anthony Bradford is going either to the bench or to
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  Speaker 4: the shopping cart for John Schneider to try to trade
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  Speaker 4: before November 10th. He's a four-year starter who's still in
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  Speaker 4: his mid to late 20s, four-year starter for a Super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl champion who started and won a Super Bowl just
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  Speaker 4: eight months ago, has market value. No matter what the
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  Speaker 4: memes and the GIFs and the GIFs and whatever else
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  Speaker 4: the kids put on the Internet, The coaches and people
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  Speaker 4: around the league love Anthony Bradford's physicality, and he still
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  Speaker 4: will have that. I just don't see how– there's talk
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  Speaker 4: of Gray Zabel playing center. Well, Gray Zabel, the only
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  Speaker 4: spot he didn't play at North Dakota State was center.
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  Speaker 4: Center came up at the Senior Bowl in Mobile in
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  Speaker 4: January 2025 when NFL scouts wanted to see him at
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  Speaker 4: that position, including the Seahawks, but he's never played a
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  Speaker 4: game there. He's been a tackle and a guard, and
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  Speaker 4: he's been a right guard actually more than left guard
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  Speaker 4: in his past. So I think he's going to go
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  Speaker 4: to right guard. I think Anthony Bradford is now being shopped,
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  Speaker 4: if not put to the back. I don't see him
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  Speaker 4: rotating Zabel and Bradford. That's not sound. And most offensive
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  Speaker 4: line coaches don't want to rotate. And I see, why
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  Speaker 4: would you move Quentin Nelson, as you articulated, one of
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  Speaker 4: the best ever in this generation of left guard to
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  Speaker 4: another position? I think that's how it's going to shake
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  Speaker 4: out for now. I think Jalen Sindel stays at center.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see you replacing your center with your starting
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  Speaker 4: left guard in the middle of a game week, because
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  Speaker 4: that is not just a plug and play. You've got
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  Speaker 4: protection calls, line calls, Hugh knows this, the synchronicity with
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback protections. There's a lot to what Jalen Sandell
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  Speaker 4: does more than just trying to move guys. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he may be short, smaller and not as physical as
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  Speaker 4: some centers, but they value his traffic copying and his
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  Speaker 4: ability to get everybody in the right play call and protection.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, when they made this move, it told me
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  Speaker 4: that Anthony Bradford's, they already had decided on Anthony Bradford
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  Speaker 4: for beyond this year.
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  Speaker 5: We'll see if that beyond can start before November 10th deadline.
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  Speaker 5: It would appear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know Hugh, you were going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just, go ahead, Hugh.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would just say Zabel, I think it is
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  Speaker 2: important to note that at, in college, he had 223
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  Speaker 2: snaps at right guard, 1,064 at right tackle, which there's
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  Speaker 2: some similarity in terms of your post leg and your
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  Speaker 2: punch and what have you. So I think playing on
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  Speaker 2: the right side, that experience. I might push back a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, Greg, on I would agree with you. Your
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  Speaker 2: statement was the league loves Anthony Bradford's physicality. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to misquote you, but I think you just said that, right? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so not just the Seahawks, but the league. That's a
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  Speaker 2: broader statement.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I can assume.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know every GM in the league intimately, but
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  Speaker 4: I can assume that his game tape is something that
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  Speaker 4: is tradable.
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  Speaker 5: That's my point.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the market will speak on that, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: see what kind of need there is. I would agree
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  Speaker 2: that he's physical when you play in a phone booth,
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  Speaker 2: and so I do think the league will love that
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  Speaker 2: physicality in him, but that's not all an offensive guard does.
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  Speaker 2: A guard has to play in space. He has to
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  Speaker 2: block at the second level. He's got to pass block.
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  Speaker 2: This year... Out of 80 qualifying guards, he is ranked
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  Speaker 2: 79th in pass blocking. Last year, out of 85, he
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  Speaker 2: was ranked 83rd out of 85 in pass blocking. The
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  Speaker 2: year before, 70th out of 79th. In the four years
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  Speaker 2: that Anthony Bradford has been the starting guard for the
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  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks, he has taken 2,579 snaps. There are 44
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  Speaker 2: guards that have over 2,000 snaps. Anthony Bradford's grade of
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  Speaker 2: 49.57 is the lowest of all of those guards. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that's not pass blocking. That's as a guard. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited about the acquisition of Quentin Nelson because, in part,
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  Speaker 2: because he's pro football. So this might sound harsh, but
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  Speaker 2: you are getting a big upgrade from Anthony Bradford. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: there are. of Anthony Bradford's game that are valued by
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  Speaker 2: Seattle and presumably by the rest of the league. But
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  Speaker 2: there are some other aspects. where you say Seattle to, to,
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  Speaker 2: to maximize what it can do on offense and, this
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  Speaker 2: upgrade on the offensive line can be very pivotal. So
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  Speaker 2: two upgrades then.
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  Speaker 3: Nelson's going to be better than Zabel at left guard,
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  Speaker 3: and Zabel's going to be better than Bradford at right guard, Hugh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to analyze it. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking, okay, along the five, you're playing your best five,
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  Speaker 2: you're in essence taking Quentin Nelson and replacing... Anthony Bradford
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  Speaker 2: either know they don't play the same position. But if
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  Speaker 2: you want to look at it like left guard gets
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  Speaker 2: an upgrade and right guard gets an upgrade, I love
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  Speaker 2: that analysis too. Either way, check and check.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not just for this year either because, again,
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  Speaker 4: they wouldn't have done this without the possibility of re-signing
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  Speaker 4: Nelson beyond the end of his contract this year. And
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  Speaker 4: obviously by trading for Nelson, they have already– decided on
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  Speaker 4: Anthony Bradford's future. His contract is ending this year as well.
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  Speaker 4: So this isn't just a move that will help them,
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  Speaker 4: but it'll help them in 27 and 28 too.
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  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of moves, got to get your thoughts on
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  Speaker 3: this for those just waking up, just joining us. There
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  Speaker 3: was breaking news this morning. The Chicago Bears have gotten
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  Speaker 3: in on this NFL trade deadline. They have acquired a
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  Speaker 3: big name, a big time player, and Jeffrey Simmons from
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  Speaker 3: the Tennessee Titans for two first round picks. Uh, and
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  Speaker 3: I think I was at a sixth rounder for Simmons
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  Speaker 3: and a fifth. Um, that was the trade. So two
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  Speaker 3: first round picks. I mean, Greg, it almost feels like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: not only do we want that player, we want him
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  Speaker 3: for Monday because the Seahawks just improved their offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: So do we have to kick in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more so that we can get them by Monday? Let's
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  Speaker 3: not mess around with this.
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  Speaker 4: Suddenly there's an arms race at interior line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 4: for this game on Monday night. Here's your Quentin Nelson.
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  Speaker 4: The bears will see your Quentin Nelson and raise you
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  Speaker 4: with Jeffrey Simmons. Simmons had 11 sacks last year at
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  Speaker 4: defensive tackle, which is not easy to do. Ask Byron
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  Speaker 4: Murphy in a defensive tackle, even Leonard Williams. That's hard
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  Speaker 4: to do from interior defensive line.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 4: The Seahawks know the Titans more than any other AFC team.
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  Speaker 4: Two of the last three summers have gone there for
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  Speaker 4: joint practices and preseason games. They played them in a
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  Speaker 4: regular season game a couple years ago. Maybe it was
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  Speaker 4: even last year. Then they played them on Christmas Eve
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  Speaker 4: four years ago. Every single week they've gone to Tennessee–
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  Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons has been problem one, and they came out
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  Speaker 4: of Tennessee again this summer, the offensive linemen talking about
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  Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons. They were coming off the field in Nashville
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  Speaker 4: when I was grabbing players talking about Jeffrey Simmons and
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  Speaker 4: what a problem he is.
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  Speaker 5: Simmons, by the way, is a yapper.
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  Speaker 4: That guy talks nonstop during those practices and games. He's
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  Speaker 4: a trash talker who backs up his talk. He was
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  Speaker 4: calling the Seahawks weak and folding, and it's too hot
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  Speaker 4: out here in Nashville during the joint practice in August,
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  Speaker 4: trying to get under the Seahawks skin. He'll play Monday
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  Speaker 4: night for sure. And the Seahawks have a new problem
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  Speaker 4: they didn't have on Monday or even on Wednesday that
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  Speaker 4: they have now this morning.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, Chuck.
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  Speaker 4: You trade for two first round picks for an interior lineman.
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  Speaker 4: That's a huge price. I mean, that's like quarterback, all
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  Speaker 4: pro wide receiver, cornerback type price. That's how good they
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  Speaker 4: think Jeffrey Simmons is. I talked to the Chicago Tribune
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  Speaker 4: beat writer for the Bears yesterday and he said, Ryan
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  Speaker 4: Pohl's is trying to upgrade the pass rush as a
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  Speaker 4: number one priority for Chicago. They haven't had that yet
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  Speaker 4: this season.
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  Speaker 5: And here you go.
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  Speaker 4: They have a big problem for Seattle on Monday night.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember looking it up when, when Seattle spent
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  Speaker 2: two number ones on, on, on a safety. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to wonder if you were going to
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  Speaker 5: bring up that workout.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, And I remember at the time, so this
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit outdated, but at the time there
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  Speaker 2: had only been four or five, Greg, acquisitions on the
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  Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball involving two number ones. One
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  Speaker 2: of them, and maybe the first, was Fred Young, the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawk going to the Colts. You had Khalil Mack. You
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  Speaker 2: had Jalen Ramsey. And so I think this is the
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  Speaker 2: first defensive tackle that's ever been traded for two number ones. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it will be interesting. at least for me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: John Snyder said, body profiling is a huge part of
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  Speaker 2: what we do. You're going to see Byron Murphy in,
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  Speaker 2: in this game, who is a short, bad body, like, Oh, right. Like,
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  Speaker 2: but somehow the stars aligned in his DNA and, and
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  Speaker 2: God's good graces that that guy is both extremely quick
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  Speaker 2: and extremely strong. And of course, a, phenomenal football player.
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  Speaker 2: When you look at Simmons, that dude is the, like, he,
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  Speaker 2: he looks like some kind of like under armor, uh,
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  Speaker 2: statue that somebody put a, a, a tire in and
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  Speaker 2: just started pumping it up, making them bit, you know,
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  Speaker 2: thicker and thicker and thicker. That dude has a frame
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  Speaker 2: on him. That is like, like for a 300, what
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  Speaker 2: a 300 pounder. Um, I mean, absolutely exquisite, uh, physique
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  Speaker 2: on that guy. Um, Michelangelo carved that thing. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't be more disparate between two great defensive tackles
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  Speaker 2: with what you're going to see on Monday night in
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  Speaker 2: those two people. What's uh, Simmons is a Simmons is
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  Speaker 2: a problem. He's a load.
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  Speaker 3: Um, all right. So those positions, Hugh, uh, left guard
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  Speaker 3: and defensive tackle interior defensive lineman, uh, brand new team,
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  Speaker 3: new schemes, short period of time, flying across country to
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  Speaker 3: join a team midweek, getting ready for a Monday night
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  Speaker 3: football game against a really good team. Is that tricky
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  Speaker 3: at all? Is that going to be a difficult thing
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  Speaker 3: for one or the other or both to be ready
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  Speaker 3: by Monday night?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Simmons has it easier. Just go. There may be
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  Speaker 2: a couple of communications on some stunts or what have you,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not a problem. It's obviously harder for an
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  Speaker 2: offensive lineman Now, he'll have the terminology down. There may
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  Speaker 2: be some obscure protection that you have to remind him
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  Speaker 2: what the terminology is. And he's got to work in
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  Speaker 2: cohesion on picking up stunts and blitzes. So there's more
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  Speaker 2: of a challenge for Nelson than there is for Simmons.
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  Speaker 2: But Nelson being the veteran... You know, he knows he
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  Speaker 2: knows all the protections. He's executed all the protections. There
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  Speaker 2: may be some terminology things where, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: like learning another language, you know, you know, in my house,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in Mikasa. OK, you know, you just have
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  Speaker 2: to run through that. that little translation, but he should
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  Speaker 2: be fine. He might not be at the same level
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  Speaker 2: in terms of how quick his mind is processing in
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  Speaker 2: Seattle's scheme as he will be in a month from now,
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  Speaker 2: but he should be 95% of what he needs.
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  Speaker 5: In that area.
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  Speaker 3: So a very interesting game got just that much more
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  Speaker 3: interesting with transactions that took place this week. And we
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  Speaker 3: do have to get into that, but I got to
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  Speaker 3: spend at least like a minute or two on beating
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  Speaker 3: the Chiefs 20-3. I mean, Chicago Bears looking at that film, Hugh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, wetting themselves this week after watching what the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks did to the Chiefs?
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you just asked me two questions. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, I mean, I'm still, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: basking like all Seahawks fans in how marvelous the game was.
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  Speaker 2: The Bears' response to it, I feel like, is a
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  Speaker 2: totally different question because I feel like now Andy Reid's
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  Speaker 2: a competitor, but I think Andy Reid, it doesn't seem
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: to me, you know, ask Mike Holmgren, he'd know better, obviously,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem like Andy Reid was top of mind, like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I got to go get Mike McDonough. Ben Johnson's going
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to come in here, and just from what I know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not in his head, but I would think that
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the chance that he really is relishing the chance of
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: competing against Mike McDonald is much more top of mind
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: to him. I think maybe the same for Caleb Wilkins
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and all. I mean, think of how how brash Ben
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Johnson is. They still don't have a quarterback in their
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: history who's thrown for 4,000 yards, Greg, and yet this
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: was a guy saying, we are going to set the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: record for points? Yeah. It's like, do you know what
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the weather's like? You do know what the weather's like
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: because you've coached, like, come November, like, how can you
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: even say that? And, you know, say it in the room,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: let alone say it publicly. And we'll talk about the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: weapons that he has, but I think that they are
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: ready and eager to take on this challenge and try
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and do something in front of the eyes of the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: football world.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: It's early, but the Seahawks think the Kansas City game
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: was their get-right game. Their we're-back-to-us game. And going into
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that game, it was let's get back to us. Let's
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: run the ball. Let's attack and dictate on defense. Let's
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: unleash him and warrior three levels. Let's play dime. That
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: was the 2025 Seahawks for the first time on both sides.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Of the ball.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Darnold's interception didn't hurt him because there were only seven
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: seconds left in the half.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: That's still a concern.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: You can't turn it over in the middle of the
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: game against the Bears and expect to win. But They
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: feel like, okay. And I asked, after the game, I
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: asked a few guys, was this, is reassuring the right
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: word about how this victory went down? And they said, yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: that's actually really a good point. That they wanted to
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: make sure they had this in them. And McDonald's, this
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: process that he's trying to perfect and chase, this is progress.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: To a that. They're not there yet.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: The turnovers, the pre-snap penalties, some missed tackles in late
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: in their game in defense. But there's some semblance now
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: to how McDonald wants this team to play. They get
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: another big test. It's not like they get soft touches here.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: But if they get through this one Monday night, if
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: they can play like they did again, They then have
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Arizona coming in while at 5-3 the following week before
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: they go to Las Vegas. Arizona-Las Vegas, this team could
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: easily be 7-3 if they can get a performance to
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: put it together against Chicago like they did against the Bears.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: 7-3 going into the 49ers at the end of November. Okay,
• 20:27
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• 20:52
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• 21:07
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• 21:14
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• 21:17
  Speaker 3: for you and what a fascinating.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Week it has been.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: We've already discussed the Quentin Nelson trade, the Jeffrey Simmons trade,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and got a little bit in on that 20 to
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: 3 trade. impressive victory Sunday night against the Kansas City Chiefs,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: but this game is just too irresistible not to start
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: really diving into, and I get Caleb Williams versus the
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Seahawks defense as a fascinating angle, but Hugh, this coach
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: versus this coach to me is the most fascinating aspect
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: of this game. Mike McDonald has faced, in consecutive weeks,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan and andy reed sean payton and even though
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: he's one and two i think he's outcoached them all
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: from defense versus offense and now he's facing ben johnson
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that might be the four best offensive minds in the
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: national football league right now he's been up to the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: test so far but as a one and two record
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to show for it um what is it that you
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: can't wait to see between these two head coaches.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you go back to the Bills game in
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: year one. Since that time, there's only been one coach
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that's got him. It's Sean McVay. Mike McDonald has dunked
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: on every other supposedly elite offensive mind and certainly did
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on last Sunday. For Monday night, my concern, first of all,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, extremely creative. You're going to see trick plays.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: They're going to try and keep you off guard. There's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: going to be– They're going to try and get Seattle
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to play on their heels instead of on their toes
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: coming downhill. That's just how he does things. As far
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: as Caleb Williams, I watched a full half of a
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Washington-USC game down, an epic game between he and Pennix.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I was on ground level for the first half, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams strikes me like his body style. He's got
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: short legs, thick legs. thick ankles, thick knees. He is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: extremely strong. And so that plays out when you try
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and get him, like he's not going down with an
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: arm tackle. He's going to break through an arm tackle.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: He's extremely, and then he's got, he can make cuts
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: at near full speed because of the strength in his legs.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So he's very elusive. He's got a big time arm. Uh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you know, he's, he's like, Right now, he's a Pat Mahomes,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: but better than Pat Mahomes. I mean, right now, with
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Mahomes coming off the injury and all, I'm not saying
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: for a career, but right now, he's got better targets.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, that Luther Burden, he's playing with a chip
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: on his shoulder. I thought he was going to be
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a first-round draft pick. He was a second-round pick. DJ Moore,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: they're probably getting him back. He was out this summer.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: No, they don't have DJ Moore anymore.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: He's in Buffalo. I think you're thinking of somebody else.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: What am I thinking of? I'm thinking of somebody. I'm sorry.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I'm scratched that. But I know, look, I look at
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift. I know I'm not wrong on this one.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: That guy fits his last name, and he's powerful. You know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: they got Colston Loveland, Cole Komet. They got tight ends.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And their offensive line, which just a few years ago,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: remember Caleb Williams, he didn't go number one overall because
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the Bears were last. The Bears were about the ninth
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: pick that year. It was because of the Bryce Young
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: trade and what have you. And so the Bears, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: we're a little closer. They kind of fixed their defense. Obviously,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the acquisition of Simmons replaces their biggest hole. That's a problem.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But getting back to offensively, I think you've got a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: brilliant mind. Let's just summarize. Ben Johnson, brilliant.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Cocky. Mm-hmm. Okay. Right? And then he's got the dudes
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and the parts to be able to have an elite offense.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and as good as Caleb Williams is, Greg, I mean,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: this is one of those offensive geniuses who wants to
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: run the ball first. I mean, he really does kind
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: of set everything up with a run. He did it
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: in Detroit. I mean, he loves the passing game, don't
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: get me wrong, but it is a blend. It absolutely
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: is with Ben Johnson. He will run the hell out
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: of the football.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: They're number one in the NFL in rushing offense.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Now, that's largely because they played the Carolina Panthers, who
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I think have a junior high.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Defense, run defense.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: They're averaging like 158 yards rushing allowed per game, by
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: far the worst in the league. And the Bears put
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: up like 200 on them in the very first game.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: So that's skewed in numbers. But the Bears are running
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: for 150 plus a game. DeAndre Swift's the lead back,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: but he's not even in the top 10 in rushing,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: which tells you how much they used. an assortment of backs,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: and they use Caleb Williams on design quarterback runs. That's
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: a challenge because here we go with another, can they
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: stop a 100-yard back? 36 games and counting that the
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Seahawks have not allowed a 100-yard rusher, and that's the
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: reason they're the number one ranked defense the last two seasons.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: That'll be the key again.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Take away the run so that Caleb Williams is third
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: and long instead of third and short. Ben Johnson's playbook shrinks.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: You've got to go to the third and long plays.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: The Seahawks' pressure can get on the quarterback, and here
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: we go. That'll be the key for the game. What's
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: interesting about Williams in the past game, last year he
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: was a 58% passer, which in the NFL today, I mean,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: that's like 1970s Jim Plunkett, John Brody numbers, 58%.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: He was smiling because now we're getting back to our childhoods. 58%
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: is low. Damn, Pastorini.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Darrell LaMonica threw 358 when he was throwing 70 yards
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: of pop down at Frank Yule Field in Oakland for
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: the Raiders game. The number one, Ben Johnson, number one
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: task for Caleb Williams was to improve the accuracy of
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the passing. He's up to 71% right now. And I
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: talked to people in Chicago this week, and they say
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: they made a concerted effort on shorter routes and making
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: sure Williams took what defenses gave him. Williams was forcing
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the ball down the field a lot last year, some
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: for turnovers, a lot for incompletions. The higher percentage, shorter throws,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: he's settled for. We haven't even talked about Roma Dunza yet.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: What's interesting about the Bears is there are five receivers
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: with at least 22 catches. The Seahawks, they are, of course,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: so heavy on JSN and catches and targets. The Bears
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: are egalitarian. They spread it around everywhere. Roma Dunzey averages
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: 16 yards a catch, and he's the fourth highest receiver
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: on their team in catches and targets. He's only had
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: 24 catches through seven games. But he's their home run
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: big play guy. He doesn't have any touchdowns this season.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: He still hasn't fully come back since he had the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: leg injury at the end of last year, the former
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: UW Husky star. But they spread it around. They run
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: the ball first to spread it around. But look for
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: a lot of outlet check down throws. The Seahawks have
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: been very good about tackling those check down receivers immediately
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: after they catch the ball.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Nick Emanwuri, Ernest Jones, Ty Okada.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Those guys, Devin Witherspoon especially, don't miss tackles immediately after
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: short catches.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Another key to Monday night.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I would say a key– I think
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the number one key for me– look, I've said– you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: had me on after the Seahawks acquired Mike McDonald, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I did all that studying of the Ravens and said
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I think he's the best defensive mind on planet Earth.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I've maintained that position. If you said, okay, well, what's
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: his weakness, gun to my head, I'd say– I don't know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to answer that question. No, no, no,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that's not the game. You have to have a weakness
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: or your temple is going to get blown out. I'd say, okay, then.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: For a great defensive coordinator, the one thing is contain.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Contain of the quarterback. There's a lot of times where
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: guys coming off the left edge of the Seahawks defense
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: are taking a straight angle at the quarterback. and they
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: allow a right-handed quarterback to impulsively evade to his right
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and get out on the perimeter. So I would say
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that over the years that he's been the Seahawks coach,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the mastermind of this brilliant defense, that's been the one
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: weakness and something that concerns me. They lost games because
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: of that. The 49er game last season on that game winner,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: you know what? They let Brock Purdy out of the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: pocket and many, many others. This is a guy... You
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you have to defend you can't go up the field
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: on him particularly to his right you have to contain
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: him in that if anything make him go left he
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: can still beat you from the left But if you
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: just come screaming in on him because you want to
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: get that sack, he is going to beat you to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the outside and then all kinds of big plays open up.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So I've got my hands together. I'm praying. Here's my
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: praying position. Mike McDonald, please have your defense in a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: mindset to contain the Bears quarterback in the pocket. Let
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: me ask you this.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I asked this of Greg earlier this week, interested in
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: your response to this. I mean, obviously, Mike McDonald lives
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: to confuse quarterbacks. We've watched it over and over and
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: over with the looks that he gives them. And then
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, really, I mean, he has become better in
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: pocket as he gets more experience in the league, but
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: he loves playing off script. I mean, he loves making
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: those Russell Wilson big-time crazy plays down the field off script.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: When you have somebody as good off script as Caleb
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Williams is, who has a penchant to do it, does
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that play into Mike McDonald's hands? Or does that make
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald worry a little bit that, hey, he's not
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: playing the way he's supposed to be playing? If he
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: was playing the way he's supposed to be playing, we'd
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: be dominating him right now.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: No, they should be. Again, if you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: If you rush him as a team, the front four,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: if it's– or, you know, and there are multiple pressures,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: they have to man a gap. Instead of shooting a
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: gap or taking an aggressive angle at him, they've got
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to kind of be patient. and constrict the pocket on him. Uh,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I think there in watching Williams, I think there's a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: lot of times where he's been fooled by pressures and he,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: he relies on his athleticism to get out of place. So,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: so I think that there's very going to be very
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: good opportunities to catch Caleb Williams, unaware, not hitting his
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: hot receivers, not changing the protections, free runners and what
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: have you. But when you get a free runner, you got,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you got to be smart with this guy. You got
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: to understand how, how, quick he is, how strong his
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: legs are, his evasiveness. And, you know, because now if
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: he gets out of the pocket, he's a great runner.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: He's a great, you know, the scramble drill comes into play.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: You got a plaster on the back end. There's all
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: kinds of things, of course, attendant to that. But his
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: playmaking ability coupled with Seattle's perhaps lone weakness over the years,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the combination of those two have me concerned. All right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: We'll get Greg's keys. We'll get a score from Anders.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And we'll get final thoughts from you on the other side.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: 12th Man Roundtable on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Final segment. I mean, I don't want to jinx it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: It's been like a perfect 12th Man Roundtable so far.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Uh-oh.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: What's going to happen now?
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Good information, good pacing, new information, you know, information from
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Sunday and for, you know, preview, great matchup.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: We had a trade happen right before it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I know. Right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: For the opposing team.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: And the right people to break it down and good, good,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: good stuff. So let's not blow it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Perfect.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: DJ Moore.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: DJ Moore coming back from a shoulder injury. He's been out.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: He's been out and he's coming back to the Bears.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Hey, you never know. Hey, sometimes, you know, when you
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: got like a, Perfect woman that you overlooked that blemish.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Zip right in the middle of her nose.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Right!
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It'll heal! Size of a quarter, that one? It'll pop!
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: It'll be gone in a couple of weeks. It's just
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: too bad it showed up at our office party. All right, well,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: let's finish this thing out. Greg, you start us off.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Keys to Monday night. How it's going to go down
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: and who's going to win.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Well, we talked a lot about what Chicago's offense does
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: when they're humming. I mean, they are humming. When they
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: have Caleb Williams, they score points. The only two losses
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: this year, they lost 9-3 to the Vikings at home
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: in September, the game that Caleb Williams got hurt, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: then they only scored seven points against the Packers when
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams didn't play because he was still out. Remember,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Williams missed three games with a hamstring injury, came back
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: two games ago. His first game back after three weeks out,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: 30-36 and lighting up the Falcons. So stop DeAndre Swift,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Marengai in the run game early to make a third
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: and long. It's not something that Williams and Ben Johnson
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: are used to calling and playing. And then the Seahawks
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: can play defense the way they went to with Imanwuri
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: and Dictate. Offensively, it's broken record. But, man, I'm convinced
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: of all the teams I've covered in the NFL since 2002,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: if this offense doesn't turn the ball over, they're going
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: to win. Just because of how good the defense is.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Don't turn the ball over. Don't give the Bears 30, 40, 10,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: 20 yards to drive. Make them drive the length of
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: the field and see how that works out for Seattle.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I think the Seahawks win 20-16 type of a game.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Another dictated by defense win for the Seahawks. Because I
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  Speaker 4: think McDonald has them exactly now where they should be.
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  Speaker 5: A dissension on defense. Just don't have the offense screw
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  Speaker 5: it up.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Anders, how do you see it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, very similarly. This is probably the closest I've come
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  Speaker 6: to predicting a Seahawks loss. And I know there's been losses, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: but I have felt more confident going into games than
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  Speaker 6: I do for this one. I just think everything's kind
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: of going the Bears way right now. I still think
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  Speaker 6: the Seahawks are the better football team. Chicago's defense is
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: very underrated, so I think they're going to do a
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  Speaker 6: good job of Keeping Seahawks offense in check. We'll see
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  Speaker 6: what they do at JSN. I'm very curious about that.
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  Speaker 6: We'll see how the run game looks, but obviously the
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: intriguing side of the ball is the other side of
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  Speaker 6: the ball. I see a 21-17 Seahawks victory, something like that.
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  Speaker 6: So very similar to Greg's score there. I think Mike
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  Speaker 6: McDonald likes the sound of that. All right, Hugh, look,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, not only are you coming off a big win,
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  Speaker 6: a dominant win against a pretty good team, not only
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: do you add Quentin Nelson during the course of the week, do.
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  Speaker 3: You just feel satisfied? You're going to get greedy. Do
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: you want to add anything else to this roster before
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: the trade deadline comes to shore up some weaknesses?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a need at running back that
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: was very urgent. I think you could argue it's dissipating.
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  Speaker 2: Some may feel like the 100 yards that Wilson had
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  Speaker 2: would assuage that. Not me. I think that he's a
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: fringe running back, in my opinion. The best thing I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: could say for him is that he was falling forward,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: so there was a physicality with how he finished. But
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the concern I have, I don't know that there's any
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl team that is– perched like a big Jenga
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  Speaker 2: tower where the entire scaffolding can come down with one injury.
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  Speaker 2: And that's JSN because I do not think they have
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: a number two, uh, that whatever we thought was might
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: happen was Rashid Shaheed after his November 4th acquisition last year. Um, there,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: there wasn't great cohesion with him and they said, well,
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  Speaker 2: we thought the off season would solve that thus far
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  Speaker 2: that has not emerged whatsoever. Cooper cup, I just want
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  Speaker 2: you to imagine, God forbid, I don't want to speak
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: it into existence, but JSN, you know, a hammy, some
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: soft tissue thing. And then now what does the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: offense look like without JSN? Mm-hmm. And with that, the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: running back core as presently constituted. I think now all
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, who's your number one? Rasheed Shaheed?
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper cup. I'm sorry. Uh, it's just, it's just not there.
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  Speaker 2: And it don't, it doesn't just take down the offense.
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  Speaker 2: It would take down the defense. So you would, you
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: would be in a potentially wasting a defense. So I
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's probably not going to happen, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: worried as hell, uh, about the state, you know, you've
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  Speaker 2: got in, in, uh, the target shared 36.3% of the targets.
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  Speaker 2: go to jsn that's not only number one in the
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  Speaker 2: league the next closest is cd lamb at 30 and
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  Speaker 2: a half i mean i mean that's that's almost six
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  Speaker 2: percentage points less and that's second place so i do
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  Speaker 2: think again they're precariously perched and and uh i would
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: breathe easier if they addressed it i don't think they
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  Speaker 2: will and we just hope that jsn remains what he's
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  Speaker 2: what he has been which is a durable athlete All right, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 3: Phenomenal stuff. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. I
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: won't see you next week. Anders is going to host
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: the roundtable next week. He's got some hosting things he's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: going to be doing. So I appreciate you. Anders won't
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: nearly as much as I appreciate you. I can tell
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: you that in advance. Where's the shots coming from?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be short with you. He probably won't set you
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  Speaker 3: up the way that you need to be set up
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  Speaker 3: and you like to be set up. So I'm sorry.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: But good luck. Good luck to both of you, to
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: all of you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, man.
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  Speaker 2: Got to start somewhere, huh?
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  Speaker 3: All right, gentlemen. Thank you. Enjoy.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy your trip.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Hugh Millen, Greg Bell joining us here on
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: the 12th Man Roundtable. Coming up next, I've been planning
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: this for a while, the ABCs of the M's special edition,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: off-season edition. And we're going to try to go A
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: to Z.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Our next segment on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.