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Domesticated - WA and QLD fight out Shield thriller, Chris Rogers chats Victorian success, Cam Green delivers · The Follow-On

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Speaker 1: It was one of the most star studded Sheffid Shield
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Speaker 1: rounds we've seen in recent memory. And at the end
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Speaker 1: of it all, Australia's Ashes squad was named, then changed
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Speaker 1: and changed again. Welcome to Domesticated. I'm justin Edwards Fox Crickets.
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Speaker 1: Nick Savage is alongside me.
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Speaker 2: Nick.
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Speaker 1: Big win for Victoria Revenue South Wales. But that blockbuster
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Speaker 1: Sheffood Shield round, it was soured a little bit by
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Speaker 1: some injuries for Josh Hazwood and to Sean Abbott.
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Speaker 3: At the end of that match, almost at the same time,
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Speaker 3: the two of them went off the field and never
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Speaker 3: came back.
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Speaker 2: They were sent for scans.
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Speaker 3: They didn't battle in the fourth innings, so Victoria only
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Speaker 3: had to take eight wickets.
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Speaker 2: In that three hundred run win.
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Speaker 3: And obviously the news has since come out that both
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Speaker 3: of them won't be available for that first Ashes Test,
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Speaker 3: so that pendulum is slightly swinging towards England for the
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Speaker 3: first Test.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, an exciting runer.
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Speaker 3: She had a lot of storylines to come out of it,
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Speaker 3: and yeah, Victoria New South Wales very one sided affair
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Speaker 3: at the end.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, three hundred runs. We'll talk more about that with
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Speaker 1: our guests later on, So Brendan Doggett looks like he's
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Speaker 1: gonna make his Test debut. That seems to be the
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Speaker 1: established pecking water. Michael Nisi's come into the squad, but
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Speaker 1: given that Doggett was named in the squad first, it
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Speaker 1: looks like there's a pecking order there and we expect
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Speaker 1: a Test debut for Brendan Doggett. The other question mark
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Speaker 1: about Australia's eleven was Cameron Green and how big a
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Speaker 1: role he could play with the ball. What was his
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Speaker 1: going to be role going to be in that first Test.
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Speaker 1: He's gone out and lacked ninety four for Western Australia
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Speaker 1: and Bold sixteen overs. Bold really well took a nice wicket.
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Speaker 1: That is just absolutely everything the Australian camp were wanting
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Speaker 1: to see.
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Speaker 3: Such an important game for Cameron because obviously it had
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Speaker 3: been a few weeks since he'd even contributed many runs
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Speaker 3: for WA, even going back to the West Indy. He's
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Speaker 3: got a bunch of starts without going on. But in
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Speaker 3: a great win for W eight he got those runs
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Speaker 3: and that spell from him the first innings in particular
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Speaker 3: was really exciting.
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Speaker 2: A bit wayward, a bit in accurate.
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Speaker 3: I think there was one beamer that flew past the
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Speaker 3: head of one of the Queensland batters, but on the
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Speaker 3: whole part was really impressive. He left a nice bruise
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Speaker 3: on Matthew Renshaw's arm and got a really important wicket.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, exactly what the Australians actors wanted to see
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Speaker 3: from him. They wanted to see fifteen overs. I think
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Speaker 3: he did about sixteen in the end, So yeah, he
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Speaker 3: looks now like a lock for that first sashes to turn.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely expects Cameron Green to be playing that first Test.
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Speaker 1: Where does it leave bow Webster. He probably had his
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Speaker 1: best week of shield cricket of the entire summer because
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Speaker 1: he was injured in the first part of the year.
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Speaker 1: Had took eight wickets, a career best Sheffid Shield bowling performance,
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Speaker 1: and then back to that with seventy eight in the
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Speaker 1: One Day Cup.
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Speaker 4: That was a little bit was it a bit too late?
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Speaker 1: You think it's it looks like Green's going to play
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Speaker 1: at six and there might not quite be room for
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Speaker 1: bow Webster.
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Speaker 3: I think the national selectors know what bo Webster can contribute.
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Speaker 3: He's done so over the past ten months in the
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Speaker 3: national side with a couple of really important knocks for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's great to see him bowling again.
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Speaker 3: He obviously missed the first couple of Shield rounds with
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Speaker 3: a minor ankle injury. So he's bowling, he's taking wickets.
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Speaker 3: He's got Travis Head and Alex Carey in the same inning.
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Speaker 3: So great performance from him. Not the runs that we
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Speaker 3: would have loved to see from him in the red
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Speaker 3: ball cricket, but I think, as you mentioned, he backed
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Speaker 3: it up in the One Day Cup with a seventy
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Speaker 3: odd in a big win for the Tazzies, so I
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Speaker 3: think they're actually four in Zip the Chazzis. They're undefeated
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Speaker 3: in the One Day Cup, so keep an eye at
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Speaker 3: them later in the tournament they approach the final.
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Speaker 4: There.
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Speaker 3: In terms of the Test side, I think all this
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Speaker 3: injury news with a bowling attack, with Hazel out, sewnab
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Speaker 3: It out, Pat Cummins out, Australia might tend towards having
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Speaker 3: two or round us just to have that cover in
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Speaker 3: case God forbid another bowler goes down. And so we
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Speaker 3: saw Cameron Green batting at three over the winter. He
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Speaker 3: might keep that role. So Webster can keep his spot
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Speaker 3: at six with Martus Labushane opening.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken about this in the past, how we don't
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Speaker 2: love that balance.
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Speaker 3: We don't love Marnus opening, but just to have that cover,
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Speaker 3: the extra bowling cover, they might.
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Speaker 2: Lean towards that.
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Speaker 3: So because of Hazelwood's hamstring, bo Webster could be safe
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Speaker 3: for another game.
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Speaker 4: At least you could see that.
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Speaker 1: I think if you are going into a match looking
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Speaker 1: to get overs and wickets out of your sixth bowler,
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Speaker 1: you're probably.
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Speaker 4: In a bit of trouble.
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Speaker 1: If you're needing your sixth bowler, it's probably injury right.
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Speaker 1: If you're needing your sixth bowler to actually take wickets,
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Speaker 1: you're in a world of trouble. So I think I
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Speaker 1: don't think bo Webster's bowling. If Cameron Green's going to
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Speaker 1: be bowling ten to twelve overs an innings, he seems
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Speaker 1: to be a period bal at blow Webster. So I
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Speaker 1: don't think even though Webster took were those wickets, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure it will be his bowling that gets him
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Speaker 1: in the team. I think I'm expecting a Jake Weather
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Speaker 1: or day Burton. I am expecting him to open the
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Speaker 1: batting Manus bat three and Green at six. I think
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Speaker 1: that's the more that's a confident approach from Australia knowing
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Speaker 1: that yep, we'll get the wickets. And the other thing
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Speaker 1: with the way England played their cricket is even if
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Speaker 1: they put four hundred and fifty on the board, they'll
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Speaker 1: do it in eighty overs. They don't keep the team
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Speaker 1: out in the field for two days.
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Speaker 4: That's a really good point.
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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I think on the same page, I'd love
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Speaker 3: to see Weather all open. I've been calling for a
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Speaker 3: few years now for two specialist openers to be at
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Speaker 3: the top of the order rather than sacking through middle
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Speaker 3: order players and trying to reinvent them as openers.
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Speaker 2: And exactly right.
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Speaker 3: If Cameron Green trusts his body and the medical team
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Speaker 3: trust his body that he can serve as that fourth seama,
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Speaker 3: then that's fantastic. Are they still wrapping in a bit
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Speaker 3: of cotton wool? He's had one great game? Does that
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Speaker 3: mean he could do five Tests as an all rounder?
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Speaker 3: Not one hundred percent sure. I'd love to see whether
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Speaker 3: all open. I just feel like that might not happen
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Speaker 3: in Perth, as frustrating as that would be, but I
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Speaker 3: to wait and see. There's only four days until that
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Speaker 3: first Test now and no doubt we'll get a squad
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Speaker 3: or at least a starting eleven on a Thursday afternoon.
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Speaker 3: When Steve Steve Smith speaks to the.
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Speaker 1: Present, Michael Nissa being added to the squad, don't think
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Speaker 1: you'll play that first Test, but the second Test pink
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Speaker 1: ball in Brisbane. He's a pink ball specialist and he
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Speaker 1: also adds a little bit with the bat.
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Speaker 4: I suspect that's why.
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Speaker 1: Sewann Abbott was picked in the squad as well, because
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Speaker 1: he's a genuine bowling around it as he is Michael Nissa.
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Speaker 1: So if maybe they want to make a change to
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Speaker 1: that bowling attack and Cummins or Hazer would still not
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Speaker 1: right for that second Test, they could bring in Nissa
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Speaker 1: for that second Test as much to give him extra
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Speaker 1: batting as the extra bowling option.
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Speaker 3: Well, both of Michael NIE's tests to date have been
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Speaker 3: pink ball tests. I think a while ago now it's
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Speaker 3: been since he played. But you're absolutely right. Who's taken
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Speaker 3: more wickets at the Gabba over the past decade than
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Speaker 3: Michael Nissa a pink ball under lights. He's an absolute
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Speaker 3: weapon with the pink ball. He'd be fantastic. So if
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Speaker 3: they're going for that horses for courses, absolutely, Nissa wouldn't
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Speaker 3: be right for Perth. Dogger is definitely the likeful player
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Speaker 3: for that field. But in Brisbane, if there is a
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Speaker 3: little niggle, if they need to arrest someone, manage someone,
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Speaker 3: I think Thesa should absolutely come in. Stark is the
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Speaker 3: best in the world of the pink ball. I think regardless,
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Speaker 3: even if he's a bit sore, he'll be playing in
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Speaker 3: that second Test. But yeah, it needs to come in
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Speaker 3: for perhaps a Bowland, perhaps a dog It. I think
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Speaker 3: it's a live chance for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I cannot wait. Third those first two Tests, first
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Speaker 1: one starting Friday. Now he had the Sheffield Shields in
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Speaker 1: that match where Green got the hundred between WA and Queensland,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing, There's not much in the life I love
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Speaker 1: more than a Sheffield Shield thriller when it comes down
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Speaker 1: to the last wicket, and it was an extraordinary finish.
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Speaker 1: WA were nine down, still needed twenty three runs and
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Speaker 1: Corey Rocacoli and Cameron Gannon got him home Rockacolie's pumping sixes.
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Speaker 1: It was extraordinary to watch.
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Speaker 3: What a finish to that game at the whackup heading
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Speaker 3: to that final forty five minutes, all four results were
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Speaker 3: still possible. There was still a live chance for all
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Speaker 3: of them, and certainly when that ninth wicket fell, I
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Speaker 3: kind of felt, Okay, Queensland, I've got this. You have
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Speaker 3: to go back a day or so to win Western
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Speaker 3: Australia to clared their first innings about sixty eight runs behind.
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Speaker 3: They were still behind by quite a margin and to
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Speaker 3: keep that chance of getting a resolt, they declared behind.
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Speaker 3: So brave move from the hosts. It paid off massively
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Speaker 3: thanks to Rockacholie, who earlier took four wickets.
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Speaker 2: For not many in a pretty damaging spell.
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Speaker 3: He ran through that low order, bowled out the Queenslanders
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Speaker 3: and then played it, as you said, a massive role
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Speaker 3: in the run chase, one of the all time classics.
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Speaker 3: I mean, TASMANI have been involved in a couple of
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Speaker 3: bangers recently over the last twelve to eighteen months, but
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Speaker 3: this goes right at the top of the Q. I
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Speaker 3: think that was a really special performance from WA who
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Speaker 3: hadn't had the best start to their Shield season as well.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, hopefully this gets them back on track. A
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Speaker 3: really talented squad and yeah, what a win, what a
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Speaker 3: highlight fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Corey Rocacholi finishing with figures of five for forty seven
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Speaker 1: as well as his runs. Thinking he potentially is now
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Speaker 1: ahead of Todd Murphy or certainly in the conversation alongside
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Speaker 1: Todd Murphy if Nathan Lyne was to be injured for
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Speaker 1: as soon as this summer. They're definitely in the conversation
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Speaker 1: for Australia's next trip to India, which is in about
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Speaker 1: fourteen months time. But if line was to go down,
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Speaker 1: especially on a bouncy pitch, Queer Rocacolie could make a
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Speaker 1: Test debut this time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll speaking about this off air in that he
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Speaker 3: has the skill set for Australian pitches. He's a tour release,
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Speaker 3: gets a lot of dip and bounce on the Australian decks,
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Speaker 3: so I think he's a very strong chance of coming in.
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Speaker 3: I feel like maybe Matt Cooman, who is contracted and
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Speaker 3: has done really well in the Test side.
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Speaker 2: Probably will still be favored.
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Speaker 3: Australia might go for four fastballs again as they did
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Speaker 3: in Kingston a few months ago, which paid off roy All.
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Speaker 3: They brought up the windows for twenty nine. But I
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Speaker 3: see if they want to like for like in Australia,
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Speaker 3: Rocketcolie is a really good shout twenty twenty seven in India.
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Speaker 3: No doubt they'll be Koneman, they'll be Murphy. We both
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Speaker 3: love to see Mitch Swepson there as well. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: there's a very strong chance that if Line God forbid
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Speaker 3: has an injury, it's Rockecolie time.
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Speaker 2: It would be really cool to see what.
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Speaker 1: A fantastic finish it was to that game. And a
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Speaker 1: quick little note as well. I like the new rules
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Speaker 1: that were brought in a few years ago. So first
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Speaker 1: innings points are not everything in Sheffield shield matches, which
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Speaker 1: allows WA to clear behind and get the result at
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Speaker 1: the end. So the new rules, they are more complex
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Speaker 1: and I am not even sure that I understand them completely,
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Speaker 1: but they do allow for this to happen. The other
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Speaker 1: big talking point out of that game was Matt Renshaw
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Speaker 1: scoring one hundred. You feel like his ashes chances were
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Speaker 1: hurt by being picked for Australia, which is sort of
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Speaker 1: a funny thing to say. But he couldn't play the
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Speaker 1: shield matches that say Manus Labushan could play. He was
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Speaker 1: playing white Pool cricket for Australia did pretty well. He
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Speaker 1: gets the one hundred now is a little bit too
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Speaker 1: late for him. Do you think where does he sit
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Speaker 1: in the pecking order.
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Speaker 3: He's still in the twenty nine. He's still probably in
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Speaker 3: his prime years, I suppose. When people talk about but
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Speaker 3: as they say their late twenties, early thirties, was mc
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Speaker 3: quajh is not far from retirement. We expect it to
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Speaker 3: come within the next twelve months or so, so there
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Speaker 3: will be a vacancy there very very soon. Whether all
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Speaker 3: it's preferred for this series because he compliments Kauwaja quite
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Speaker 3: a bit. I was just spoken about in past episodes
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Speaker 3: of this podcast. But Matthew Renshaw is I a good
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Speaker 3: chance of taking that Kawaja spot. He's probably up against
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Speaker 3: a couple of young guns in Campbell Kelloway and Sam
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Speaker 3: Constance will also be buying for that. But if he
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Speaker 3: backs it up next week and the following week with
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Speaker 3: more shield hundreds, maybe even puts a little bit of
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Speaker 3: pressure on Kuwaja in this series. If Kauwaja starts poorly,
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Speaker 3: there's every chance of Australia making a change and maybe
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Speaker 3: giving him a tap on the shoulder.
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Speaker 2: So Renchell's not far off.
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Speaker 3: All we saw Kawaja come back and revive his test
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Speaker 3: career at age thirty five and look how amazing he's
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Speaker 3: been over the last four years. Renschall still has a long,
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Speaker 3: long amount of time ahead of him to revive his
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Speaker 3: test career as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Usmond's not saying it. There is sort of a
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Speaker 1: thinking that this would be Kouwaja's last summer. He's certainly
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Speaker 1: not saying it. He's taking it one series at a time,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to be he won't be in the
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Speaker 1: next Ashes in England, for example, so that spot will
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Speaker 1: be available and whether it goes to Renshaw or a
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Speaker 1: guy like Campbell Kellaway. But that's the openers. We've been
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Speaker 1: talking about this since David WARN's retirement. The openers are
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Speaker 1: the most interesting part of the future of Australian cricket
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Speaker 1: because is it Constance is the guy like Kellaway who
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Speaker 1: will speak more of There's Renser as well in maybe.
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Speaker 4: You've got an opener?
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody outside the Ashes squads that you think
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Speaker 1: could be a factor in the series. The last time
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Speaker 1: England were here, Australia Public played six quicks, Joy Richardson
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Speaker 1: and Michael Nissa and Scott Boland who he went really
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Speaker 1: talking about back then made this amazing debut. Do you
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Speaker 1: think there's anybody outside of the squad at the moment
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Speaker 1: who could be a facted later in the series.
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Speaker 2: I think you just mentioned one of them.
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Speaker 3: Ji Richardson, I could see playing a big role towards
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Speaker 3: the back end of the series.
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Speaker 2: Australias.
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Speaker 3: We haven't even had a first test yet, but half
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Speaker 3: Australia's bowling attack is wounded, sore, is in the casualty ward.
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Speaker 3: Those bowling stocks are going to be extended and pushed
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Speaker 3: even further over the next few weeks and there's a
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Speaker 3: chance for Ji Richardson to maybe.
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Speaker 2: Be parachuted into that squad.
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Speaker 3: Jie richard was just named in the crick Australia eleven
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Speaker 3: to play I think the England Lions at the Gabba,
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Speaker 3: so he'll be involved in that game, a multi day
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Speaker 3: game if he can prove his fitness there, and then
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Speaker 3: we think in round six player shield game for WA
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Speaker 3: and he gets through that with strong performances, his body's fine,
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Speaker 3: Maybe at the back end of the Ashes he could
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Speaker 3: come in and play a massive role in Melbourne or Sydney.
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Speaker 3: So maybe keep half on how he's going into the
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Speaker 3: domestic formats because I mean, God, for a bit, we
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Speaker 3: lose Josh Haswer for the series, we lose Cummins for
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Speaker 3: the series, there's another injury. They're going to really stretch
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Speaker 3: those bowling stocks. And Joe Rigson he's a gun. We
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Speaker 3: all know how great he is. He just needs to
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Speaker 3: keep his body together. So yeah, he's my choice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very excited to see Joe Richardson back bowling
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Speaker 1: with a red Bull.
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Speaker 4: Same.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll play a lot for the per scorches
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Speaker 1: over the Big Bash. My guy outside the squad who
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Speaker 1: I think could be a factor is Campbell Kellaway. So
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Speaker 1: I think, as we mentioned with Kouwaja, say, for example,
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario, Australia are two kneel down after two
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Speaker 1: tests and Kowaj's got four scores under ten. I think
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Speaker 1: they'll they'll have to make a change there, and I
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Speaker 1: don't think I think they're committed to taking a longer
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Speaker 1: approach with Constace. So it would be down to Renshaw
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Speaker 1: or Kellaway, who started the Shield summer really strongly, got
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Speaker 1: the Big Hunter and got a proper working over with
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Speaker 1: Mitchell Stark. We'll talk about him a little bit more
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Speaker 1: with our guest coming up, we speak to Victorian coach
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Speaker 1: Chris Rogers, with Victoria sitting pretty on top of the
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Speaker 1: Sheffield Shield table well with.
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Speaker 4: Four wins from four games.
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Speaker 1: Victoria couldn't be going much better in the Sheffield Shield
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Speaker 1: at the moment, and their coach Chris Rodgers joins us, Chris,
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Speaker 1: what a fantastic win it was for you against.
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Speaker 4: New South Wales? A victory by three hundred runs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, hello, guys, Yeah it was. It was a fantastic win.
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Speaker 5: I think a lot of things lined up for us,
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Speaker 5: but you know, to go and play aside with so
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Speaker 5: many world class players and to beat them so comprehensively,
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Speaker 5: you know, I thought that was absolutely brilliant.
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Speaker 6: And gives our group a lot of belief.
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Speaker 3: Chris obviously has mentioned before four wins in a rows
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Speaker 3: can the perfect start. It feels like this Victorian squad
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Speaker 3: has the perfect mix of experienced players like Pete Hansk
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Speaker 3: and Marcus Harris and a really exciting crop of younger
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Speaker 3: players who are really starting to find their feet in
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Speaker 3: domestic career. Is that how you see this squad at
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Speaker 3: the moment as well?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Victoria made a bit of a decision a few
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Speaker 5: years back to to really try and get more players
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Speaker 5: into the test team and develop born and bred Victorians,
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Speaker 5: and it's always going to take a while, but we're
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Speaker 5: starting to see the fruits of that labor. And even
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Speaker 5: with you know, we're picking three young batters in Peak,
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Speaker 5: Kellaway and Dixon, you know that that bodes well for
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Speaker 5: the future. But that's equally balanced out well with having
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Speaker 5: the likes of Bowl and Harris enhanced him to kind
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Speaker 5: of to almost you know, coach them along the way
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Speaker 5: as well. So you know, we feel we've got a
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Speaker 5: really good mix a lot of players who are coming
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Speaker 5: into their mid twenties as well, and hopefully they're not
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Speaker 5: far away from international recognition.
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Speaker 1: One of those young batters, Campbell Kellaway, scored an excellent
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Speaker 1: hundred in his previous year game. In this most recent one,
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Speaker 1: he's got a proper working over from Mitchell Stark, but
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Speaker 1: did really well, scored a half century when he was
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Speaker 1: getting that working over from Mitch Stark. Are you sitting
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Speaker 1: in the crowd going, well, I don't like, really like
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Speaker 1: my player getting worked over like this, but this is
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Speaker 1: going to be so good for him.
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Speaker 4: He's going to learn so much from this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I probably wasn't thinking now, I was probably thinking
15:13
Speaker 5: how good is this? You know from my own personal experience,
15:18
Speaker 5: when you go and play international cricket, the balls are faster,
15:21
Speaker 5: that they're taller, and they present different challenges, so you
15:26
Speaker 5: know you want to be well prepared for what's to come.
15:29
Speaker 6: And for Campbell, he wouldn't have faced that challenge before.
15:33
Speaker 5: So you know, to get into that situation where you
15:36
Speaker 5: realize perhaps you're not in the best positions and you
15:38
Speaker 5: don't have the game just to get through that just yet,
15:42
Speaker 5: that's that's gold because then you can go away and
15:45
Speaker 5: work on it and.
15:47
Speaker 6: Figure a few things out.
15:48
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm looking at what Campbell's get going
15:52
Speaker 5: through at the moment.
15:53
Speaker 6: I think even first game he.
15:57
Speaker 5: Found the out he was out to to outside edges,
16:01
Speaker 5: he went away, work to the and the next next
16:04
Speaker 5: day and he got two inside edges he played on.
16:06
Speaker 5: So he's working through these these little fine things in
16:10
Speaker 5: his game, and I think that that's you know, that's
16:12
Speaker 5: going to set him up well once again for what's
16:15
Speaker 5: to come.
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Speaker 3: Chris, you said after the match that you were confident
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Speaker 3: that when it was won, Kwaja does retire that Campbell
16:21
Speaker 3: Callaway is a contender to potentially take over that spot
16:24
Speaker 3: in the test side. That moment could come in the
16:27
Speaker 3: next six to twelve months. We don't know for certain
16:29
Speaker 3: when Kawaja is going to hang up the boots, But
16:31
Speaker 3: do you feel confident that even if, for potentially this
16:34
Speaker 3: summer and optually comes up for Campbell, that he's really
16:36
Speaker 3: ready to take on the likes of Mark Wood, Archer
16:39
Speaker 3: and in the next couple of years some other fast ballers.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I said that.
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Speaker 5: I've you know, I've been watching Campbell carefully now for
16:49
Speaker 5: a while. You know, I get to sometimes have the
16:52
Speaker 5: best seat in the house because you know, you're watching
16:54
Speaker 5: him working day in, day out, and then.
16:57
Speaker 6: Go in and see what he's learning out in the middle.
17:02
Speaker 5: But I'm seeing a young man with a game that's
17:06
Speaker 5: that's going to stand up in international cricket. You know,
17:08
Speaker 5: the way he lines the ball up. I mean we
17:11
Speaker 5: stood at we were kind of sitting at a mid
17:13
Speaker 5: off angle for Campbell facing Mitch Stark, and Starkey was
17:17
Speaker 5: swinging the ball away and his bat was coming perfectly
17:21
Speaker 5: along the line to cover that movement.
17:22
Speaker 6: So they're the kind of things that.
17:24
Speaker 5: I get to see and from that, I, you know,
17:27
Speaker 5: I believe he's got that game to handle, you know,
17:30
Speaker 5: the best.
17:31
Speaker 6: Bowl in the world.
17:32
Speaker 5: So I know he's young, there's a long way to go,
17:35
Speaker 5: but you know, it wouldn't surprise me if he did
17:39
Speaker 5: get to go early and he had some early success
17:41
Speaker 5: as well, so you know, I'm confident that he's going
17:44
Speaker 5: to have a good career for Australia.
17:46
Speaker 1: Chris, can you talk us through Campbell's move to opening
17:49
Speaker 1: at the top of the audit? He hadn't done a
17:51
Speaker 1: whole lot of that before he plaid for Victoria. Was
17:53
Speaker 1: that your idea? Did you broach that with him as
17:56
Speaker 1: you know one former opener you saw that potential in him?
17:59
Speaker 4: Or was that his idea?
18:01
Speaker 3: Uh?
18:02
Speaker 5: No, I mean we we we had hoped that Will
18:06
Speaker 5: Pokotski was going to be the one who who would
18:10
Speaker 5: you know, do great things for for Australia at the
18:12
Speaker 5: top of the order. And then when you know it
18:16
Speaker 5: played out the way it did with Will, we knew
18:20
Speaker 5: there was another opportunity. So you know, we made some
18:23
Speaker 5: decisions in the background and then and then spoke to
18:25
Speaker 5: Campbell about you know, here's here's the opportunity. You know,
18:28
Speaker 5: if you look at that Australian side, and at the
18:31
Speaker 5: time you were probably thinking Marnus and Smith are going
18:35
Speaker 5: to be in three and four for for a little
18:36
Speaker 5: while to come, and even if Smith retires, that's that's
18:39
Speaker 5: there's probably some others who were lining up for that position.
18:42
Speaker 6: So where's the opportunity.
18:44
Speaker 5: It's it's at the top when when Usmand retires. So yeah,
18:49
Speaker 5: we had that that kind of conversation, and you know
18:52
Speaker 5: it was it was a bit of a challenge for
18:54
Speaker 5: him early, but but since I think you know, there
18:58
Speaker 5: was a hundred thanks Queensland at the Gabba and then
19:03
Speaker 5: even the hundred he got at the Whacker last game
19:06
Speaker 5: of the year against Joel Paris, who usually eats up
19:09
Speaker 5: left handed battles for fun at the Whacker. You know
19:11
Speaker 5: that that kind of signaled a what a really good
19:14
Speaker 5: player is.
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Speaker 6: So yeah, that's there's.
19:17
Speaker 5: Been some good conversations in the background and you know,
19:21
Speaker 5: we think he's already made opener.
19:24
Speaker 3: Another one of the exciting younger players in the Victorian
19:27
Speaker 3: side is Fergus O'Neil, who has been pretty much perfect
19:30
Speaker 3: over the last twenty four months in the Shield side.
19:33
Speaker 3: He has murmurs of potentially a test spot coming up
19:35
Speaker 3: in the next couple of years with the Australian side
19:38
Speaker 3: obviously approaching the twilet of their careers, what's going to
19:40
Speaker 3: be the challenge for him and converting his bowling from
19:43
Speaker 3: the domestics set up to international crek because obviously that's
19:46
Speaker 3: a big step up for any fastballer.
19:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, that challenge for Fergus is
19:54
Speaker 5: always his perception that he's just not fast enough, you know,
19:58
Speaker 5: he and on the flatter wickets he might get found out.
20:02
Speaker 6: But you know, I look at Vernon Falander and the
20:06
Speaker 6: success he had.
20:08
Speaker 5: And the style of bowling he had, and that's very
20:11
Speaker 5: similar to Fergus O'Neill. And even from my experience playing
20:15
Speaker 5: in England, you know and seeing those kind of bowlers
20:18
Speaker 5: who are high skill, maybe not the fastest, but they
20:22
Speaker 5: would test your defense pretty much every ball. You know,
20:26
Speaker 5: there's a lot of value in those guys. So you know,
20:29
Speaker 5: I look at the Vernon Falander model and think, well,
20:32
Speaker 5: if he can have success, why can't Fergus. And even
20:37
Speaker 5: even his ability to bowl for long spells day in
20:42
Speaker 5: day out, I think that that stands out amongst the
20:44
Speaker 5: croper bowlers who we're seeing a lot of injuries from
20:47
Speaker 5: as well, so you know, his resilience is going to
20:50
Speaker 5: be important to his armory as well. So yeah, I
20:54
Speaker 5: think he's got all the tools he needs to go
20:57
Speaker 5: on and have a good international career. I just think
21:00
Speaker 5: he needs that chance. But I think if he gets
21:02
Speaker 5: that chance, he's going to show people just how good
21:04
Speaker 5: he is.
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Speaker 1: You know, the Vernon Filanda comparison is a good one, Chris,
21:07
Speaker 1: especially with Australia going to South Africa in October next
21:10
Speaker 1: year for a test tour. Were you're disappointed that the
21:12
Speaker 1: Australian selectors opted for Michael Nissa when Josh Hazerward was injured,
21:16
Speaker 1: rather than giving Fergus an opportunity to at least be
21:19
Speaker 1: in the squad.
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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I was just because you know, like
21:25
Speaker 5: I like it to be on the journey with Fergus
21:29
Speaker 5: as well, and you know, you want to see you
21:33
Speaker 5: want to see these players that you work with have success.
21:36
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's a bit of disappointment from that aspect.
21:41
Speaker 5: But equally, you know, I think all the players in
21:45
Speaker 5: domestic first class know how good ness is and you know,
21:51
Speaker 5: probably don't begrudge him this opportunity as well.
21:53
Speaker 6: But I think Fergus.
21:54
Speaker 5: Knows that you know, he's going to have to work
21:56
Speaker 5: hard for this opportunity, but you know he'll be ready
22:00
Speaker 5: to go once it comes.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned before that Fergus has the skill set to
22:04
Speaker 3: potentially be really dangerous in the United Kingdom in particular.
22:07
Speaker 3: Would you like to encourage him to hopefully go back
22:09
Speaker 3: and play some more county cricket if the opportunity comes up.
22:12
Speaker 3: He did exceptionally well for his brief stint a few
22:15
Speaker 3: months ago in the UK.
22:19
Speaker 6: Yeah.
22:19
Speaker 5: Well, I think he's signed a contractor anyway, so I
22:24
Speaker 5: don't think we have much choice in that.
22:26
Speaker 6: But no, no, we're very supportive of all our.
22:29
Speaker 5: Players, you know, taking these opportunities and and and he
22:33
Speaker 5: tried to get better. And I think for him to
22:35
Speaker 5: go over to England work with some of the bowling
22:39
Speaker 5: coaches and see the style of cricket, I think that that's.
22:42
Speaker 6: Going to be really good for him as well.
22:44
Speaker 5: And you know, he came back raving from his experience
22:46
Speaker 5: over with notting him shere early on and just how
22:50
Speaker 5: much he learned even working with a bass I think,
22:54
Speaker 5: you know, he had some really good conversations with him,
22:57
Speaker 5: who's another bowler in a similar type of mold.
23:00
Speaker 6: Who's who's had some good international success.
23:02
Speaker 5: So these are the you know, these are the priceless
23:05
Speaker 5: experiences that they can get when they when they do that.
23:07
Speaker 6: So we'll support that.
23:09
Speaker 1: Fergus is not the only Victorian quick that's turning head.
23:12
Speaker 1: Sam Elliott took five against that star studded New South
23:15
Speaker 1: Wales batting line up and also snagged the wicked of
23:19
Speaker 1: Steve Smith.
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Speaker 4: That's a pretty good one to have on the resume.
23:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that was we weren't expecting Sam to
23:28
Speaker 5: have such a great game, but you know he continues
23:31
Speaker 5: to surprise us with his performances and you know that
23:34
Speaker 5: that arguably he was the in the game. You know,
23:40
Speaker 5: his eight wickets were not at many runs and here
23:43
Speaker 5: he got some big wickets as well. So yeah, we've
23:46
Speaker 5: got we've got high hopes for Sam as well. We
23:49
Speaker 5: know he's another one that's it's got to do the work,
23:51
Speaker 5: keep getting better and keep earning the right but you know,
23:56
Speaker 5: he is another example of some really good talent we
23:58
Speaker 5: have in our system.
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Speaker 3: And lastly, Chris, we have to mention Peter hanscom in
24:02
Speaker 3: a really low scoring match to score that one hundred
24:04
Speaker 3: in the first settings obviously set the side for the
24:07
Speaker 3: big win at the SCG. He seems to have such
24:09
Speaker 3: a wonderful knack of in really tough conditions finding a
24:12
Speaker 3: way to score runs. That's probably why he was in
24:15
Speaker 3: that Australian scored a couple of years agoing to India
24:17
Speaker 3: and it obvious helped the team moving forward when confronted
24:19
Speaker 3: with difficult pitches like we saw in Sydney.
24:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad you asked me about him. Just sometimes
24:25
Speaker 5: you know, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. There's
24:29
Speaker 5: always that perception that he's exactly the same player he
24:33
Speaker 5: was when he bay eighties Test cricket. But from you know,
24:38
Speaker 5: having the experiences with him, being a coach of him,
24:42
Speaker 5: I've seen his growth and he's gone away.
24:46
Speaker 6: And understood that you know, the style of.
24:50
Speaker 5: Batting he had when he played Test cricket probably wasn't
24:53
Speaker 5: going to stand up and it took him a while
24:55
Speaker 5: to kind of get rid of that stubbornness around that.
24:59
Speaker 6: But since then he's he's you.
25:02
Speaker 5: Know, he's been so open to a different style and
25:06
Speaker 5: I think if you go and watch that one hundred
25:08
Speaker 5: he got against Stark and Hazelwood and co, you'll see
25:12
Speaker 5: it's a very different model, just just how he looked
25:14
Speaker 5: to get bored, he looked to punch back into the ball.
25:17
Speaker 5: He was just standing on the back foot behind the
25:20
Speaker 5: crease line. And from that, you know, I think it's
25:24
Speaker 5: you know, it's a it's a game plan that would
25:27
Speaker 5: do pretty well in international cricket. So, you know, if
25:31
Speaker 5: he got the chance again, I think he'd be much
25:33
Speaker 5: better prepared. If Smith was to retire, and you know,
25:38
Speaker 5: there was there was that opportunity for it needed for
25:41
Speaker 5: a stable number four.
25:43
Speaker 6: You know, I think that that could be Pete definitely.
25:45
Speaker 5: So hopefully he keeps scoring runs for us and things
25:49
Speaker 5: play out and he gets another opportunity at Test level.
25:51
Speaker 1: Well, if anybody knows about getting a second crack at
25:54
Speaker 1: Test for hit in your mid thirties, it's you, Chris,
25:56
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you'll be doing your best to get
25:58
Speaker 1: Pete Hanskin there.
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Speaker 4: Chris, thanks so much for.
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Speaker 1: Joining us, and good luck for the rest of the
26:02
Speaker 1: Shield season with your Victorian side that are high flying
26:05
Speaker 1: at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Thanks guys,