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The Kenny Report | 12 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 4: The latest shocking case of anti semitism in a public hospital,
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Speaker 4: nurses claiming to kill patients.
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Speaker 3: Who happen to be Jews.
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Speaker 4: I'll explain why our police and political authorities should have
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Speaker 4: seen all this coming. And I'll talk to a former
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Speaker 4: ABC board member about the national broadcaster's failures on anti
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Speaker 4: Semitism in the US. Elon mask and Donald Trump take
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Speaker 4: an axe to big government and the bureaucracy. I'll show
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Speaker 4: you that damage renewables are doing to Queensland forests. Also
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Speaker 4: Pauline Hansen, the Wednesday wrangle and the frightening increase in
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Speaker 4: fires sparked by lithium batteries.
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Speaker 3: Get let's get started.
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Speaker 4: First to that hateful anti Semitic video that came from
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Speaker 4: Sydney's Bankstown Hospital and has shocked this nation all day.
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Speaker 3: No doubt it will shock the world.
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Speaker 4: It is so vile, coming from seemingly articulate and educated
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Speaker 4: people expressing such grotesque disdain for the lives of people
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Speaker 4: of another faith that at first I thought it must
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Speaker 4: have been a fake.
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Speaker 3: But it's not.
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Speaker 4: It's another example of the anti Jewish hatred that is
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Speaker 4: rife in this country. If you haven't seen it, you
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Speaker 4: have to see it for yourself.
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Speaker 5: You know what I said, I'm going to be really
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Speaker 5: honest with you. All right, I'm going to be really
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Speaker 5: honest with you. You actually got a really really beautiful eyes.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: But I'm so upset that Israeli like eventually you're going
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Speaker 5: to get killed, and you go to Jehanna and Charlah.
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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty honest. They should say, in this
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Speaker 5: world for longer.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think? Why do you think I'm going
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Speaker 2: to get killed?
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Speaker 6: It's Palistin's country, not your are one one day, one day,
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Speaker 6: time will come and.
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Speaker 7: You will die the most.
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Speaker 6: We spread And when your time.
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Speaker 2: Comes, how are you doctors?
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Speaker 3: I want you to remember.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I have a question though, all right, all right,
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Speaker 2: for sure, I have a question though. I have a question.
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Speaker 2: Let's say let's say an Israeli God forbid them.
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Speaker 8: I won't enough to them.
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Speaker 2: You'll kill them. So if an Israeli is in Australia
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Speaker 2: and that's forbid, something happened to him and he comes
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Speaker 2: to your hospital, would you kill him? Okay? You have
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Speaker 2: no idea?
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Speaker 5: How many Israeli how a dog came to this hospital and.
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Speaker 4: These two nurses have now been stood down pending an
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Speaker 4: investigation that surely should take about five minutes before they're
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Speaker 4: sat never to be employed in a hospital again. They
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Speaker 4: have been identified as Rashad nad Dear, who apparently came
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Speaker 4: to Australia from Afghanistan as a twelve year old but
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Speaker 4: is now an Australian citizen, and Sarah abdu Lebdae. Apart
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Speaker 4: from health authorities, police will also examine their actions and
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Speaker 4: their statements. The outrage has been understandable.
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Speaker 9: We need to send a clear and unambiguous message that
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Speaker 9: if you go to an emergency department, if you're on
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Speaker 9: a ward anywhere in New South Wales, you'll be treated
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Speaker 9: by people who have a highly trained who are highly skilled,
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Speaker 9: but care about you. And I can understand right now
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Speaker 9: members of the Jewish community and even those that are
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Speaker 9: members of the Jewish community would be appalled at this
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Speaker 9: latest revelation. We just can't stand for it.
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Speaker 10: So I've said there needs to be an investigation into
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Speaker 10: patient records and the circumstances surrounding these two individuals.
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Speaker 3: We should all also be.
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Speaker 10: Looking at workplace culture is this more widespread? What is
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Speaker 10: happening within that hospital system?
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Speaker 11: The new South Wales government has acted New so Well's
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Speaker 11: Health Minister. They've been stood down by the New South
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Speaker 11: Wales authorities. They've rightly been referred to the new chah
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Speaker 11: Wales Police for criminal investigation. I've had a discussion with
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Speaker 11: the AFP Commissioner, Commissioner Kershaw about these matters and they
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Speaker 11: have offered whatever assistance is required at this stage that
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Speaker 11: has been not requested. And I'll make this point.
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Speaker 3: It is very.
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Speaker 11: Clear to me that these people have committed what are
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Speaker 11: crimes and they should face the full force of the law.
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Speaker 4: Now this is all well and good in terms of
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Speaker 4: the response, but doesn't it actually.
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Speaker 3: Miss the point.
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Speaker 4: The issue here is not just these nurses and their
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Speaker 4: putred statements. The issue here is not just that hospitals
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Speaker 4: are supposed to be places for the care of all,
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Speaker 4: not places where.
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Speaker 3: Inhumanity can exist.
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Speaker 4: The issue here is not just that action might be taken,
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Speaker 4: that law enforcement might be applied where. For so long,
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Speaker 4: for months and months, for over a year, governments and
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Speaker 4: police did far too little, far too late to combat
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Speaker 4: the open hatred in our community. Now, the point here
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Speaker 4: is that we have this repugnant anti Semitic hatred in
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Speaker 4: our society. It is fostered in certain communities, and it's
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Speaker 4: hardly been tackled, even though it should never be tolerated.
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Speaker 4: Our leaders can't even bring themselves to call it out
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Speaker 4: for what it is. This is Islamist extremism. It is
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Speaker 4: a hateful branch of Muslim fundamentalism that far too many
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Speaker 4: will not even mention for fear of being branded Islamophobic.
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Speaker 4: But this is where hatred festers, and it should chill
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Speaker 4: us all to the core to know that in our community,
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Speaker 4: young edge cad and outwardly successful people can be infected
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Speaker 4: with this bigotry can be inculcated with a philosophy of hatred.
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Speaker 3: Now we need to face up to this.
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Speaker 4: We need to confront it in partnership, of course, with
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Speaker 4: Muslim communities. We need to work with Muslim communities to
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Speaker 4: stamp this out or we will only see it grow
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Speaker 4: and metastasize, and that will hurt everyone Muslim, Jewish, Christian,
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Speaker 4: atheists and Calithumpian. What infuriates me and frightens me is
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Speaker 4: that all this has been clear since the hours after
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Speaker 4: October the seventh, twenty twenty three, and our pathetic leaders
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Speaker 4: have ignored it for way too long.
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Speaker 3: They pretend to be shocked.
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Speaker 4: Now, but it was there, hitting us between the eyes
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Speaker 4: the very day after the atrocity. Remember, on October the eighth,
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, we saw this on the streets of Lukember,
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Speaker 4: a suburb of Sydney.
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Speaker 3: I'm smy, I'm smiling, and I'm happy.
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Speaker 12: I'm in Haydan. It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 4: While bodies were still being recovered, and weeks before Israelan
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Speaker 4: even retaliated, this was our wake up call sixteen months ago.
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Speaker 4: This was a clear indication that we had a massive
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Speaker 4: problem with anti jee hatred in this country, and our
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Speaker 4: governments and police did nothing.
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Speaker 3: Then they stood back and washed, and they hoped it
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Speaker 3: would all go away.
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Speaker 4: And this is not my wisdom of hindsight. I was
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Speaker 4: saying this at that very time. Right here among us
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Speaker 4: we see mainly men, but some women and children too,
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Speaker 4: joining in this sickening festival of hate. The promoters of
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Speaker 4: this bile ought to face the full force of our
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Speaker 4: anti terror laws. We're a tolerant nation, but we shouldn't
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Speaker 4: tolerate this savage intolerance. Joy In slaughter, pride in the
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Speaker 4: killing of innocence, elation at the kidnapping of children, and
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Speaker 4: the cold blooded murder of families our fellow citizens.
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Speaker 3: How do we reconcile this level of hatred?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's both terrifying and heartbreaking to see this happening
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Speaker 4: to our country. But it's all been so obvious. Our politicians,
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Speaker 4: our police, our media have all been asleep at the will,
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Speaker 4: complicit in their ignorance or their timidity. Even back then,
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Speaker 4: anyone who knew about history, about the forces at play
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Speaker 4: and the ways of the media and politics could see
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Speaker 4: where this was headed.
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Speaker 3: But just you wait.
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Speaker 4: Within days, there will be more criticism of Israel than
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Speaker 4: of Humus.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it comes to be.
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Speaker 4: And so now we have educated young nurses working in
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Speaker 4: our public hospitals promising to kill Jews. We will not
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Speaker 4: eradicate this problem if we're too frightened to even call
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Speaker 4: it out and confront it. Islamist extremism hurts us time
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Speaker 4: and again, and we all hope it will just go away.
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Speaker 3: It won't.
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Speaker 4: The fight against anti Semitism is not just a struggle
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Speaker 4: for Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 3: It's a battle for all of us.
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Speaker 4: It's a fight to defend our values, our way of life,
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Speaker 4: our lives, and our country. Now, before we go on
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Speaker 4: with this incredibly important issue about war and peace and
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Speaker 4: anti semitism and extremism, let me touch on the big
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Speaker 4: picture of governance, bureaucracy and economics.
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Speaker 3: The alb and easy.
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Speaker 4: Labor government has been throwing billions of dollars around in
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Speaker 4: pre election announcements, despite a budget heading towards years of deficits,
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Speaker 4: despite our huge government debt, and despite our inflation problem.
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Speaker 4: Labor is throwing billions of dollars extra at roads, at broadband,
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Speaker 4: health initiatives, green schemes, and thirty six thousand extra public servants,
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Speaker 4: and Labour spending hundreds of millions of dollars advertising all
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Speaker 4: of its plans.
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Speaker 3: And the latest.
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Speaker 4: Potential big government spend is Rex Airlines, currently in administration.
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Speaker 4: Labour says it might buy the airline if a commercial
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Speaker 4: buyer can't be found. Now, this march of ever expanding
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Speaker 4: government comes as Elon Musk, the richest businessman in the world,
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Speaker 4: is tackling government spending in the United States, and we've
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Speaker 4: got a remarkable insight into the task. During an informal
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Speaker 4: chat today between Musk, the president and the media in
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Speaker 4: the Oval office.
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Speaker 13: It's really astounding that the interest payments alone on national
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Speaker 13: debt exceed the defense department budget, which is shocking because
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Speaker 13: we've got a lot, we spend a lot of money
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Speaker 13: on defense. But and if that just keeps going, we're
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Speaker 13: essentially going to bankrupt the country. So what earlier to
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Speaker 13: say is like, it's not optional for us to reduce
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Speaker 13: the federal expenses, it's.
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Speaker 3: Essential the US facing bankruptcy.
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Speaker 4: That's quite a claim and it shows you how seriously
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Speaker 4: Musk is taking this. And Donald Trump says he's astounded
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Speaker 4: by the waist already uncovered.
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Speaker 8: A campaign to the fact that I said government is corrupt,
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Speaker 8: and it is very corrupt. It's very very it's also foolish.
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Speaker 8: As an example of man has a contract for three
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Speaker 8: months and the contract agends, but they keep paying him
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Speaker 8: for the next twenty years, you know, because nobody ends
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Speaker 8: the contract.
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Speaker 4: Elon Musk also highlighted bizarre examples of government waste.
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Speaker 13: That's crazy, things like just cursory examination of Social Security
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Speaker 13: and we've got people in there at one hundred and
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Speaker 13: fifty years old. Now do you know anyone one hundred
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Speaker 13: and fifty I don't, okay, they should be on the
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Speaker 13: Guinness bookle World Records. They're messing out, so you know
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Speaker 13: that's the case, where like I think they're probably dead
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Speaker 13: it's my guess, or they should be very famous one
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Speaker 13: of the two.
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Speaker 4: So the Tesla SpaceX and X boss also provided a
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Speaker 4: philosophical justification for cost cutting under his new Department of
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Speaker 4: Government Efficiency or DOGE. He argued that bureaucracy had become
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Speaker 4: a fourth arm of government, unelected, unaccountable, and in some
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Speaker 4: ways more powerful than the Congress, executive or judiciary.
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Speaker 13: If the bureaucracy is in charge, and what meaning does
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Speaker 13: democracy actually have If the people cannot vote and they
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Speaker 13: will be decided by their elected representatives in the form
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Speaker 13: of the President and the Senate in the House, then
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Speaker 13: we don't live in a democracy. We live in a bureaucracy.
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Speaker 3: He's right, of course.
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Speaker 4: Left to its own devices, the bureaucracy will always expand
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Speaker 4: its numbers.
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Speaker 3: Its costs, and its power.
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Speaker 4: You only have to look at those thirty six thousand
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Speaker 4: extra bureaucrats under Albanesi labor, most of them in Canberra,
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Speaker 4: and most of them diminishing rather than increase in the
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Speaker 4: country's productivity. To this end the work of Trump and
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Speaker 4: Mask harks back to the clear guidelines and strong leadership
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Speaker 4: of Ronald Reagan.
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Speaker 8: There's a clear cause and effect here that is as
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Speaker 8: neat and predictable as a law of physics. As government
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Speaker 8: expands liberty contracts.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, always beware those promising more government, more bureaucrats.
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Speaker 3: More rules, and more ending.
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Speaker 4: Let's so Peter Dutton and his shadow Minister for Government
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Speaker 4: efficiency Efficiency, just into Nampa. Jimper Price draw some inspiration
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Speaker 4: from Washington. Now just in some breaking news adding to
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Speaker 4: what we've told you about anti Semitism. The Australian newspapers
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Speaker 4: Liam Mendez has caught up with the family of nurse
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Speaker 4: Sarah Abu leb Day.
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Speaker 3: Have a look. I'm on public. I'm what do you
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Speaker 3: have to say about the allegation.
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Speaker 6: Sarah?
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Speaker 3: Why is she.
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Speaker 7: Threatening to kill she's admitted to killing Israeli people made
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Speaker 7: that was on the phone.
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Speaker 1: Walking towards the faith.
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Speaker 14: Mate, mate, mate, all right, all right, okay, I need
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Speaker 14: my phone back.
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Speaker 1: Hey, is she sorry about what she's doing?
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Speaker 3: She is, of course she is.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she will come out and make the same one
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Speaker 5: when she's ready, and then the shape for three days
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Speaker 5: she won't.
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Speaker 7: You can't talk to an.
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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, that was Sarah Libdey's uncle there.
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Speaker 4: Apparently, let's go to Pauline Hanson now, the one nation
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Speaker 4: lead alive from Canberra. Pauline, this won't surprise you what's
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Speaker 4: unfolded here, will you. This is the sort of thing
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Speaker 4: we just haven't tackled for so long.
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Speaker 6: Chris, you have no idea how upset and how angry
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Speaker 6: I am about this, how Australians must feel. My understanding
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Speaker 6: is this nurse came from Afghanistan at the age of
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Speaker 6: twelve as a refugee fleeing a country that was under
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Speaker 6: the Taliban. Has come out here for your wab life,
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Speaker 6: got their citizenship about four years ago, and now to
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Speaker 6: have this attitude. As I've said along Chris, for many decades,
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Speaker 6: I've been saying about the people we bring into this
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Speaker 6: country that they must be compared fatible with our culture
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Speaker 6: and way of life, not the fundamentalist ideology that people
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Speaker 6: are pushing. These people are martyrs and this is happening
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Speaker 6: in our country. I feel for the Jewish community. But
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Speaker 6: you know what, Chris, I wouldn't even go anywhere near
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Speaker 6: the Bankstown Hospital myself either, because I would know whether
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Speaker 6: I'd be targeted as well. We don't need or want
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Speaker 6: this scum in this country, and I will say it,
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Speaker 6: I don't care how you feel about it. I am
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Speaker 6: so angry about it. If you can't feel safe in
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Speaker 6: your own country and feel that you can't go to
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Speaker 6: a hospital get the care and someone might want to
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Speaker 6: kill you, what's the whole point. And if the's got
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Speaker 6: dual citizenship, then strip them of their citizenship and you
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Speaker 6: put them out of the country and send them back
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Speaker 6: where they came from, where they're more are placed there,
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Speaker 6: not here in this country. That's why I put out
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Speaker 6: eight years before you get to citizenship in this country,
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Speaker 6: not two years.
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Speaker 3: I share your anger.
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Speaker 4: It is both infuriating and heartbreaking to see this level
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Speaker 4: of hatred, even if these people have done nothing that
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Speaker 4: they've suggested they've done, even though they're just expressing this
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Speaker 4: hatred in their.
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Speaker 3: Words, it is absolutely sick.
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Speaker 2: You are right.
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Speaker 3: Russiad Nadir.
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Speaker 4: The male nurse involved apparently came here from Afghanistan but
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Speaker 4: is now an Australian citizen. We don't know about Sarah
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Speaker 4: Abu leb Day, whether she was born here or not,
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Speaker 4: but we will find out. But the point here is,
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Speaker 4: and again you've always got to be careful, but so
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Speaker 4: many people are too timid to talk about it. They
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Speaker 4: don't want to be branded as islamophobes. But obviously there's
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Speaker 4: an issue when people are learning this sort of hatred,
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Speaker 4: learning this sort of ideology in their societies. Obviously, the
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Speaker 4: Islamist extremism in this country that needs to be tackled,
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Speaker 4: rather than people running away from even discussing it.
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Speaker 6: And You're exactly right, And that's why I've stood my
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Speaker 6: ground over the years. Okay, I know that there are
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Speaker 6: good people here of Muslim faith and background in this country.
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Speaker 6: I'm not denying that, Chris, but sure it's got to
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Speaker 6: be a tighter reign in where these people are coming
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Speaker 6: from that if they've if there are the fundamentalst what.
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Speaker 3: Do we do.
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Speaker 6: That's why I keep saying, make it eight years before
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Speaker 6: anyone can apply for citizenship in the country, just you know,
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Speaker 6: take more of a.
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Speaker 15: Look.
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Speaker 6: I think I've said, you know what I need to say.
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Speaker 6: I'm so angry about this whole thing, but I.
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Speaker 2: Agree with you.
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Speaker 6: Done nothing about it. They keep opening up.
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Speaker 1: For blood gates.
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Speaker 3: They have been pathetic.
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Speaker 6: I feel the people out there, I agree.
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Speaker 4: And the forgotten victims here You've got to say is
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Speaker 4: all those Laura Bore, abiding Australian Muslim citizens who are
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Speaker 4: just as appalled as us by this. It makes life
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Speaker 4: so much more difficult with them, and that's why this
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Speaker 4: stuff's got to be tackled, not avoided and hidden away.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Pauline, I appreciate it. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 4: there the one nation leader. You can see her frustration
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Speaker 4: and how upset she is. She's been talking about these issues.
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Speaker 3: For longer than I have now.
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Speaker 4: When it comes to the debate about the Middle East
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Speaker 4: and the war between Hamas and Israel and the repugnant
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Speaker 4: anti Semitism that we've seen here unleashed around the world,
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Speaker 4: and of course in Australia, the media has played a
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Speaker 4: crucial role.
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Speaker 3: As you know, I've railed.
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Speaker 4: Against biased and misleading coverage from the very first days
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Speaker 4: after the October the seventh atrocity. We've seen shocking moral
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Speaker 4: equivalents between the Hummus terrorist blood curdling attacks on civilians
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Speaker 4: and the Israeli defense forces efforts to defend Israel and
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Speaker 4: eliminate the terrorists. Media organizations have failed to report the
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Speaker 4: extent of the atrocities against Israel. They've amplified Hummas propaganda
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Speaker 4: and falsely accused Israel of murderous attacks that've sought to
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Speaker 4: legitimized the atrocities of the Islamist extremist terrorist groups funded
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Speaker 4: by Iran as some kind of legitimate war of liberation
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Speaker 4: for Palestine. It's been abhorrent and tragically for Australian taxpayers.
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Speaker 4: Our national broadcaster, the ABC has been one of the
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Speaker 4: prime offenders. I'm joined now by prominent Melbourne businessmen, member
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Speaker 4: of its due Wish community and a former ABC board member,
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Speaker 4: Joseph Gersh.
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Speaker 3: Joseph, thanks for joining us again.
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Speaker 4: I just want to get your thoughts, especially on this
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Speaker 4: day when we see Andy Semitism rising to such a
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Speaker 4: putrid level in this country. What's your thoughts about the
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Speaker 4: role the ABC has played in this debate in this country.
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Speaker 14: Well, thanks Chris, thanks for having me. As you would
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Speaker 14: have noticed, I posted in response to sky news initiative
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Speaker 14: to have an anti Semitism summit next week, which was
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Speaker 14: announced by Shari Marxon the other night with the participation
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Speaker 14: of the HEJ spokesman Alex Who and I congratulate Sky
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Speaker 14: News for doing that and for those who are supporting
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Speaker 14: that initiative, including yourself, Chris. So that's where I'd like
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Speaker 14: to begin. But my reaction, as a former ABC director
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Speaker 14: and as an Australian member of the Jewish community was
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Speaker 14: why is this always coming from Sky News? Where is
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Speaker 14: the ABC on all of this? And that's not criticizing
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Speaker 14: what Sky News is doing, but as asking of our
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Speaker 14: national broadcaster. We are in a crisis of anti Semitism
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Speaker 14: in this country, a crisis, and today's manifestation is just
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Speaker 14: yet another example of what the Jewish community is facing,
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Speaker 14: a crisis which, if not reversed, if not dealt with,
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Speaker 14: is going to undermine the social cohesion of this country,
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Speaker 14: cause the Jewish community to reevaluate the viability of Jewish
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Speaker 14: life in this country. And if, for example, that caravan
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Speaker 14: of explosives had actually done its done, its work would
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Speaker 14: have fundamentally changed Australia forever. So this is at crisis proportions,
21:57
Speaker 14: and I asked the question, if the ABC is not
22:02
Speaker 14: part of the solution, why is that? And I've said
22:05
Speaker 14: publicly this week and in response before, because it's part
22:10
Speaker 14: of the problem. And I can give two or three
22:13
Speaker 14: examples of why that's the case. It's head of Global
22:20
Speaker 14: Affairs is John Lyons, who's an experienced journalist, but one
22:24
Speaker 14: who has declared inn writing in his book his animosity
22:28
Speaker 14: towards the State of Israel and then his monograph his
22:32
Speaker 14: animosity towards the Jewish organizational structure in this country and
22:37
Speaker 14: many of the Jewish leaders and individuals. Where was the
22:42
Speaker 14: ABC at the eightieth anniversary of the liberation of Aschwitz?
22:48
Speaker 14: Channel seven was there? Channel nine was there? Sky was there?
22:54
Speaker 14: Where was the ABC? Why does the ABC platform marginal
23:02
Speaker 14: groups that claim or have Jewish heritage that are anti
23:06
Speaker 14: Israel in response to the anti Semitic crisis that we're in.
23:11
Speaker 14: There is a direct line between the way in which
23:14
Speaker 14: the Middle East is covered, the way in which Israel
23:16
Speaker 14: has dealt with, and the way in which the Jewish
23:19
Speaker 14: community is treated. It's not just on the steps of
23:22
Speaker 14: the opera house where it was if the Jews gas
23:26
Speaker 14: the Jews, by the way, these were not the Jews
23:29
Speaker 14: in Israel they were referring to, but the Jews here
23:32
Speaker 14: in Sydney or in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
23:36
Speaker 14: So the reason that I'm here today and thank you
23:41
Speaker 14: for inviting me, was really just to make that point.
23:44
Speaker 14: We're entitled as Australians, all of us, in particularly of
23:47
Speaker 14: the Jewish community, to expect more from our national broadcast
23:52
Speaker 14: in relation to this crisis. So congratulations to Sky News
23:56
Speaker 14: for doing what it's doing. Thank you to Sky News
23:58
Speaker 14: for doing what it's doing. All credit to Sharie, to Alex,
24:02
Speaker 14: to yourself, to all of those involved. But we're entitled
24:05
Speaker 14: to expect more from the ABC.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that, Joseph.
24:09
Speaker 4: But the key point is here that a billion dollar
24:13
Speaker 4: public broadcaster with a charter that charges it with looking
24:19
Speaker 4: after these issues we're trying to bring the country together
24:23
Speaker 4: to educate the country, has done nothing, in my view,
24:26
Speaker 4: except to drive division and misinformation to the community on
24:31
Speaker 4: this issue.
24:32
Speaker 3: For instance, we could show you here the documentary.
24:34
Speaker 4: Remind people that on this station we ran a documentary
24:37
Speaker 4: hosted by former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg about the rising issue
24:41
Speaker 4: of anti Semitism. We ran this in June last year.
24:45
Speaker 4: I mean, this is not something that's come as a
24:47
Speaker 4: flash out of the pan. And still the ABC has
24:50
Speaker 4: been missing and we have this summit coming up next week,
24:53
Speaker 4: of course, but I asked you this more telling question.
24:55
Speaker 3: I suppose rather than not doing enough on this issue.
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Speaker 3: Has the ABC.
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Speaker 4: Actually pushed propaganda, misinformation and made the issue of anti
25:07
Speaker 4: Semitism in this country worse.
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Speaker 14: Well, As I said, I think it's not that the
25:18
Speaker 14: ABC has not covered the issue of antisemitism. It's just
25:22
Speaker 14: that it has, but it's always lagging behind what others
25:28
Speaker 14: are doing, and it's conscious of its own bias in
25:32
Speaker 14: connection with the Middle East. So, for example, the issue
25:36
Speaker 14: of anti Semitism has been dealt with in some straight interviews.
25:39
Speaker 14: Sarah Ferguson interviewed Josh Fradenberg, she interviewed the Antisemitism Envoy
25:45
Speaker 14: Gillian Siegel. There has been some straight reporting of it,
25:49
Speaker 14: so it's not entirely the case that the ABC has
25:53
Speaker 14: been missing in action. But then they go and interview
25:56
Speaker 14: a marginal group that's not really connected with the Jewish community,
26:00
Speaker 14: that's anti Israel, as if to say, if we're going
26:03
Speaker 14: to cover anti Semitism, we need to combine it with
26:08
Speaker 14: a very strange view of the position of the Jewish
26:11
Speaker 14: community and a buyer's view in relation to Israel, because
26:15
Speaker 14: that conforms with what seems to be the worldview of
26:19
Speaker 14: at least a large section of those who are dealing
26:21
Speaker 14: with the issue at the ABC. So it's not satisfactory
26:25
Speaker 14: and it's not in keeping with the Charter. It's not
26:30
Speaker 14: in keeping with the Charter. But the point that you've
26:33
Speaker 14: made is relevant beyond the Charter and even beyond the
26:38
Speaker 14: issue of impartiality on the reporting of the Middle East
26:41
Speaker 14: is the obligation of the ABC to the Australian Jewish
26:44
Speaker 14: community and it's failed.
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Speaker 4: Joseph Gersh, thanks so much for joining us those very
26:50
Speaker 4: strong words. Former ABC director Joseph Gerst there I would
26:54
Speaker 4: sum it up as the ABC having this ridiculous notion
26:57
Speaker 4: of some equivalence between the arguments of Hummas are the
27:02
Speaker 4: arguments of Israel, which is extremely damaging as we're seeing
27:05
Speaker 4: in this country.
27:06
Speaker 3: We've got to get to a break. Coming up after that,
27:08
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about how fourteen.
27:10
Speaker 4: Lithium iron battery fires have hit New South Wales in
27:13
Speaker 4: nine days.
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Speaker 3: Strong warning from the Fire Department.
27:22
Speaker 4: There have now been fourteen lithium iron battery fires in
27:27
Speaker 4: nine days in New South Wales alone and it's such
27:30
Speaker 4: a concern for firefighters that have been forced to launch a.
27:33
Speaker 3: Campaign to raise awareness. Have a look at this from
27:35
Speaker 3: nine News.
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Speaker 1: Not sure about the quality but it was so cheap.
27:41
Speaker 1: It's a new campaign to combat an increasingly common and
27:45
Speaker 1: potentially lethal danger, explosive fires from products using lithium ion batteries.
27:51
Speaker 1: There were at least three hundred and eighteen lithium ion
27:53
Speaker 1: battery fires in New South Wales last year, up from
27:56
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy two in twenty twenty three, but
27:59
Speaker 1: since the start of this year that have already been
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Speaker 1: twenty five. Among a range of changes. New South Wales
28:05
Speaker 1: will soon introduce mandatory product safety standards and.
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Speaker 4: This is a problem experience right around the nation. It's
28:13
Speaker 4: a national problem at the moment. But let me bring
28:15
Speaker 4: in the New South Wales Fire and Rescue Commissioner, Jeremy Futurel.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 4: Jeremy, just tell us how worrying this is both from
28:23
Speaker 4: public safety. I know there were people killed in Newcastle
28:26
Speaker 4: in a fire started by a lithium ion battery last year,
28:29
Speaker 4: but it must be very very dangerous for your own
28:32
Speaker 4: fire and rescue crews as well.
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Speaker 16: It is and we did have those first fire fatalities
28:39
Speaker 16: from lithtani batteries in Newcastle or the Newcastle area twelve
28:42
Speaker 16: months ago. I'm very concerned that we're pushing our luck
28:46
Speaker 16: as a community in New South Wales that we're likely
28:49
Speaker 16: to have further fatalities, and particularly in the last nine
28:53
Speaker 16: days or so, that high speeder fires really highlights the
28:57
Speaker 16: risks that do exist within the community and for our
29:00
Speaker 16: firefighters it does cause an extra challenge. They're more difficult
29:04
Speaker 16: fires to put out. The fires developed so quickly. That
29:06
Speaker 16: poses a risk to the occupants, but it also means
29:09
Speaker 16: when our firefighters arrive they've got a more developed and
29:12
Speaker 16: more serious fire to contend with. But it also means
29:15
Speaker 16: they then have to quite often be doing a rescue
29:18
Speaker 16: as well, so factoring that into their tactical decision making,
29:22
Speaker 16: making assessments of the best way to enter the building,
29:24
Speaker 16: to reach the occupancy may be trapped, and then to
29:28
Speaker 16: get them out safely. So it certainly adds to all
29:30
Speaker 16: the complications that our firefighters deal with.
29:32
Speaker 4: Tell us about the source of equipment that is sparking
29:35
Speaker 4: these fires. We're talking about e bikes and e scooters
29:38
Speaker 4: and golf buggies and does it extend to electric vehicles.
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Speaker 3: It's the full range.
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Speaker 16: We've been tracking these fires for a number of years now.
29:48
Speaker 16: We've seen a very significant growth, so you showed the
29:51
Speaker 16: numbers that have increased in the last twelve months, but
29:54
Speaker 16: compared to two years ago, we've doubled the number of
29:56
Speaker 16: lithium mind fires that we're experiencing and we're seeing that
29:59
Speaker 16: rate continue to grow. It's a similar picture across the country,
30:03
Speaker 16: and we've also been watching in other jurisdictions overseas to
30:06
Speaker 16: see what they're doing, and we're following a similar trajectory
30:09
Speaker 16: to their In terms of the types of devices. It's
30:13
Speaker 16: the full range of products from small consumer products to laptops, computers,
30:18
Speaker 16: things like vacuum cleaners, toothbrushes, all the way up to bikes,
30:25
Speaker 16: battery energy storage systems so power wall type things for
30:28
Speaker 16: people's homes, and then all the way up to cars.
30:31
Speaker 16: So the numbers vary between those different categories, and particularly
30:35
Speaker 16: in recent weeks, we've seen a really high presence of
30:39
Speaker 16: fires involving bikes and scooters.
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Speaker 4: Commission just give us those key tips you're giving people though,
30:45
Speaker 4: to make themselves as safe as possible from these sorts
30:47
Speaker 4: of fires.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Look, and the thing for people to remember is we've
30:54
Speaker 16: all got dozens of these batteries in our home. There's
30:56
Speaker 16: so many different devices that they're embedded in of our
31:00
Speaker 16: everyday life, so it's important that we do use them
31:03
Speaker 16: and manage them safely. The best thing, first of all,
31:06
Speaker 16: is for people to actually choose wisely when they're purchasing.
31:09
Speaker 16: If you're looking at something that's dirt cheap off the internet,
31:12
Speaker 16: it is too good to be true and it could
31:14
Speaker 16: actually put your family at risk.
31:16
Speaker 3: So we want people to.
31:16
Speaker 16: Shop safely, so look for products that have product safety
31:19
Speaker 16: standards marked on them and also reputable brands. Is also
31:23
Speaker 16: another way to help people ensure they're getting a good
31:25
Speaker 16: quality product. And then once you've got that product in
31:28
Speaker 16: your home and you're using it, to make sure you
31:30
Speaker 16: look after it. These batteries are susceptible to being damaged
31:33
Speaker 16: through being dropped, through being immersed in water, So if
31:37
Speaker 16: anything goes wrong with the battery, if you're thinking that
31:40
Speaker 16: it could be damaged in any way, best to stop
31:43
Speaker 16: using it and get it checked by an appropriate service technician.
31:46
Speaker 16: And then when it comes to charging, you're probably like
31:49
Speaker 16: many of us, we've all got to draw somewhere at
31:51
Speaker 16: home that's full.
31:51
Speaker 3: Of different types of charges.
31:53
Speaker 16: So we really encourage people to be very careful and
31:55
Speaker 16: diligent and only use the charges that come with a
31:58
Speaker 16: particular device. So sometimes you'll see the plug fits in,
32:02
Speaker 16: but it may be a different type of charger that
32:04
Speaker 16: delivers the charge at a different rate, and that higher
32:07
Speaker 16: rate could damage the battery and cause it to fail
32:09
Speaker 16: and cause it to catch fire, and so use the
32:12
Speaker 16: charger connections that came with the product that you're using.
32:17
Speaker 16: Were also reminding people about the importance of smoke alarms.
32:21
Speaker 16: A number of the fires that we've had in the
32:22
Speaker 16: last week or so, the residents have been able to
32:24
Speaker 16: get the early warning they needed to at least make
32:27
Speaker 16: themselves safer because of the activation of the smoke alarm.
32:31
Speaker 16: So a smoke alarm is one of the best defenses
32:33
Speaker 16: people can have. But when people put things onto charge,
32:36
Speaker 16: we just want you to be attentive and responsible to it.
32:39
Speaker 16: Don't put it on when you're walking out the door
32:41
Speaker 16: to go to work and it's going to be on
32:43
Speaker 16: charge for eight or nine hours. Don't put it on
32:45
Speaker 16: when you're about to go to sleep and again it'll
32:47
Speaker 16: be on charge overnight. Put it on for as long
32:50
Speaker 16: as the device needs to be charged, but don't leave
32:52
Speaker 16: it on after that battery is fully charged. So be
32:55
Speaker 16: around so you can take it off charge or if
32:58
Speaker 16: anything goes wrong, you're aware to it quickly and able
33:01
Speaker 16: to get yourself and anyone else in your home out safely.
33:05
Speaker 4: Great advice to their commissioner, Thank you so much, covered
33:07
Speaker 4: at all their commissioner, Jeremy Future from the New South
33:09
Speaker 4: Wales Fire and Rescue Service, be careful with this stuff
33:13
Speaker 4: stealing a lot of damage around the country. Now I
33:15
Speaker 4: want to get back to the rollout of reckless renewables
33:18
Speaker 4: around the country and I've shown you this animation before.
33:21
Speaker 4: It's put together by Stephen Nawakowski and rain Forest Reserves Australia,
33:26
Speaker 4: showing us the enormous scale of Labour's green dream and
33:29
Speaker 4: the destruction of forest to make way for wind turbines,
33:32
Speaker 4: including this one at Lotus Creek wind Farm in central Queensland.
33:37
Speaker 4: It's on the ridge line of a forested countryside there
33:41
Speaker 4: and it's home to a wide variety of wildlife including koalas.
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Speaker 17: Coming into Lotus Creek. There's two doses in there right now.
33:51
Speaker 17: I hope to be down there soon photograph this. A
33:53
Speaker 17: complete disaster. Should not have been approved. Highest density of
33:58
Speaker 17: koalas in Queensland.
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Speaker 4: Well workers now well underway forty six turbines, financially backed
34:06
Speaker 4: by the then Miles Government's Renewable Energy Fund.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 2: It's all new road.
34:15
Speaker 4: Up here's it's big area clearing over ten hectares, clearing
34:18
Speaker 4: of kual habitat.
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Speaker 3: This is all Kuhal habitat.
34:23
Speaker 2: Range manage work in a year.
34:26
Speaker 3: It's all happening.
34:28
Speaker 4: Let's bring in the environmentalist and photographer Stephen Nawkowski.
34:32
Speaker 3: He's in Ravenshoe in Queensland. Good to speak to you, Stephen.
34:35
Speaker 4: Tell us about this project and how much damage across
34:39
Speaker 4: how big an area?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, well, this is called the Lotus Creek Wind Farm.
34:45
Speaker 17: It will clear four hundred hectares, so four hundred hectares
34:49
Speaker 17: of really good quality habitat. When the ecologists went in
34:55
Speaker 17: there they actually found one hundred and one koalas and
34:57
Speaker 17: one hundred and thirty eight greater glos within this project area.
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Speaker 17: One of the highest densities of koalas in the state
35:06
Speaker 17: of Queensland, so a very very important population and also
35:11
Speaker 17: the genetics of this population is one of the best
35:14
Speaker 17: in the state. This is what we call refuge areas,
35:19
Speaker 17: the areas that have escaped clearing in the past what
35:23
Speaker 17: we're seeing here on the TV right now is just
35:25
Speaker 17: the lay down area for the work doggers and car
35:28
Speaker 17: parking area, and that will just be just just for
35:34
Speaker 17: the work doggers. So that's only ten hectares. There's another
35:36
Speaker 17: three hundred and ninety hectares like that right across the
35:40
Speaker 17: ridgelines and mountaintops of that site. And all those mountains
35:43
Speaker 17: you saw in that footage off in the distance, they're
35:46
Speaker 17: all being blasted out and excavated out right now as
35:49
Speaker 17: we speak.
35:50
Speaker 4: I can understand why as an environmentalist you're so upset,
35:52
Speaker 4: because this will change the character of this bushland forever.
35:57
Speaker 4: Those areas that will be cleared, of course, but then
35:59
Speaker 4: you have those roads going through, linking up all the
36:02
Speaker 4: wind turbines, so it'll look different, and there'll be breaks
36:05
Speaker 4: in the bush where all the roads and clearings are made.
36:08
Speaker 4: And this is happening along a vast stretch of the
36:11
Speaker 4: Queensland ridgeline.
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Speaker 17: That's right, yeah, Chris. These proposed wind farms are extending
36:20
Speaker 17: right down the coastal ranges, or the Great Dividing Range
36:23
Speaker 17: actually of Queensland. This is where the wind resources are.
36:26
Speaker 17: There's no wind resources down on the flat country. The
36:29
Speaker 17: wind resources are up in the mountains, So what these
36:33
Speaker 17: developers need to do is punch roads up into the
36:36
Speaker 17: high ridge lines. And it's these areas, like I said,
36:41
Speaker 17: that have escaped industrialization, urbanization, high value agriculture. This is
36:46
Speaker 17: just the start of it. That footage there is just
36:48
Speaker 17: the start. All those mountains you see in the distance,
36:51
Speaker 17: they're all going to be carved up. And they actually
36:53
Speaker 17: do use T and T. They use tea and tea
36:56
Speaker 17: to blast out the tops.
36:57
Speaker 3: Of the mountains.
36:58
Speaker 17: I've filmed it of seen it with my own eyes,
37:01
Speaker 17: and that's what they need to do. So the easiest
37:03
Speaker 17: way to blast out the tops of the mountains is
37:05
Speaker 17: with T and T rather than rock breaking machines. It's
37:08
Speaker 17: a very very intensive civil engineering exercise, and the reason
37:13
Speaker 17: why it's so brutal on the landscape is because of
37:17
Speaker 17: the big components that these wind turbines are.
37:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sense get him in for example, he's still
37:23
Speaker 3: hundred ton.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Steven, thanks so much for keeping an eye on
37:27
Speaker 4: it for us and keeping it before the public's attention,
37:30
Speaker 4: and we'll keep in touch. Appreciated greatly, stephen naol Kowski.
37:33
Speaker 4: They're showing how the green clean dream is anything but
37:38
Speaker 4: when it comes to our native bushland.
37:40
Speaker 3: Now we're going to go to a break.
37:41
Speaker 4: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
37:43
Speaker 4: Alex Ritchin and get his reaction to this latest sickening
37:46
Speaker 4: case of anti Semitism in New South Wales. Let's get
37:54
Speaker 4: back to the day's top story and the two banks
37:57
Speaker 4: down hospital nurses stood down by the New South Wales
37:59
Speaker 4: Health Service after appearing in a vile anti Semitic social
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Speaker 4: media clip.
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Speaker 2: Let's say an Israeli God for beat them.
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Speaker 7: I won't them up to them.
38:11
Speaker 2: You'll kill them.
38:12
Speaker 12: So if an Israeli is in Australia and that's where
38:16
Speaker 12: something happened to him, and.
38:17
Speaker 2: He comes to your hospital, would you kill him?
38:20
Speaker 5: Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli had a
38:24
Speaker 5: dog came to this hospital and Jehanna.
38:29
Speaker 3: Jehanna Russia.
38:31
Speaker 4: Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebdey are likely to be sacked
38:35
Speaker 4: after an investigation and they face possible criminal charges too.
38:40
Speaker 4: I sought reaction today from the co CEO of the
38:42
Speaker 4: Executive Council of Australian Jury, Alex Rivchin.
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Speaker 7: Well, this was one of the most chilling things I've
38:49
Speaker 7: seen in the past sixteen months, and I feel like
38:51
Speaker 7: I've seen it all. To have these two young Australians,
38:55
Speaker 7: medical practitioners in our country, in our hospital system, speaking
38:59
Speaker 7: so openly, so brazenly, so calmly and confidently about torturous death,
39:05
Speaker 7: about killing people, about watching people suffer, about seeing them
39:09
Speaker 7: burn in hell, it just showed the level of depravity
39:12
Speaker 7: and inhumanity of this movement. And really, I think this
39:15
Speaker 7: is a teachable moment because for sixteen months we've been
39:18
Speaker 7: perplexed by the ideology that is behind the antisemitism that
39:21
Speaker 7: is engulfing our society. And here it is, Here is
39:24
Speaker 7: the insight into what goes on in the hearts and
39:26
Speaker 7: minds of these people.
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Speaker 4: Well, this is the point I wanted to discuss with you, Alex,
39:31
Speaker 4: because we've seen the reaction from the government, from the
39:33
Speaker 4: Prime Minister, from the Premier, for many others, condemning this,
39:37
Speaker 4: of course, ensuring that they're sacked from their jobs, of course,
39:42
Speaker 4: and saying that this sort of attitude should not be
39:44
Speaker 4: tolerated in a hospital, of course.
39:47
Speaker 3: But to me, this misses the point.
39:49
Speaker 4: To me, this gives us an insight to anybody who
39:53
Speaker 4: doubted it, that there is this problem, this anti Jewish
39:57
Speaker 4: hatred that is enmeshed, to say degree, in some Muslim communities.
40:02
Speaker 4: There's an Islamist extremist problem here where you've got young,
40:08
Speaker 4: apparently well educated and successful people expressing this sort of hatred.
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Speaker 3: In Australia, I.
40:15
Speaker 7: Think there's been a willful blindness towards that sort of thing.
40:18
Speaker 7: There's been a willingness by people who should know better
40:21
Speaker 7: to look away, to give benefit of doubt where there
40:23
Speaker 7: is no doubt. Whenever you're trying to confront a murderous ideology,
40:27
Speaker 7: a terrorist ideology which is dow engulfing our cities, burning
40:30
Speaker 7: our synagogues, attacking people's homes, childcare centers, you have to
40:34
Speaker 7: understand the ideology that drives those actions, that conduct that
40:38
Speaker 7: galvanizes people to commit these heinous acts. And for so
40:41
Speaker 7: long we've been saying we have to understand antisemitism. We
40:44
Speaker 7: have to understand how it poisons minds, how it infects
40:47
Speaker 7: even rational educated people, and what it drives people to do.
40:52
Speaker 7: The uniqueness of antisemitism, But for too long it's been
40:54
Speaker 7: bundled up with Islamophobia and all forms of racism and hatred,
40:58
Speaker 7: which totally misses the of how anti Semitism works and
41:03
Speaker 7: what it does to a society. But hopefully this is
41:05
Speaker 7: the wake up call. When something like this happens, it
41:08
Speaker 7: can be denied no longer. We have a serious problem
41:10
Speaker 7: in our society, particularly in certain sectors of the political
41:14
Speaker 7: and ethnic, and we have to root it out. We
41:16
Speaker 7: have to confront it because for generations we'll be dealing
41:19
Speaker 7: with this sort of thing. We'll be dealing with school
41:20
Speaker 7: kids sitting next to each other and feeling this sort
41:23
Speaker 7: of hatred we saw on the university campuses months ago,
41:26
Speaker 7: the forcible indoctrination of little kids, kids being urged to
41:30
Speaker 7: talk about interfarta, to speak about Israel as an evil.
41:34
Speaker 7: And those same kids are going to be in our
41:35
Speaker 7: hospital systems before long. So we need to understand this
41:38
Speaker 7: ideology and root it out from the beginning.
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Speaker 3: But Alex, we've got to wake up to call to this.
41:44
Speaker 4: The very day after the October the seventh atrocity, we
41:47
Speaker 4: had a shake in lakember on a street celebrating the
41:52
Speaker 4: slaughter of innocent Israelis, calling this a day of triumph.
41:58
Speaker 3: This was long.
41:58
Speaker 4: Before there was any retaliation even from Israel. So this
42:03
Speaker 4: showed us a problem in our society and politicians and
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Speaker 4: police authorities have done nothing to silence that shake or
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Speaker 4: hold into an account for those messages, and we have
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Speaker 4: his book. Career is still a legal organization in this country.
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Speaker 4: Is Islamist extremism a problem here?
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Speaker 7: It evidently is, and it's not something new in Australia.
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Speaker 7: We had in twenty eleven twenty twelve with the rise
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Speaker 7: of Isis a startling number of Australians traveling to Syrian
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Speaker 7: or Rath to fight with that evil regime. And the
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Speaker 7: fact that so many people went and so many more
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Speaker 7: people remained, but we're no doubt sympathetic to that ideology.
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Speaker 7: Should have been a wake up called about something being
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Speaker 7: fundamentally wrong in our society, in our homes and our
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Speaker 7: education system that would drive people to hold these sorts
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Speaker 7: of views despite living in the West, despite having all
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Speaker 7: the privilege and fortune of living in a free and
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Speaker 7: prosperous country. In the hospital system, you know this is
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Speaker 7: not the first such incident. For sixteen months, I've been
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Speaker 7: hearing from Jewish doctors who are seeing things on social
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Speaker 7: media from some of their colleagues or an online chats.
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Speaker 7: They've been making reports to New South Wales Health and
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Speaker 7: various ministers and other departments, and nothing's been done against
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Speaker 7: bog Dad in bureaucracy. And it's only when something like
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Speaker 7: this happens that really shocks the entirety of the nation
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Speaker 7: that suddenly you have action. But better late than ever,
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Speaker 7: and hopefully this is the beginning of a clean out
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Speaker 7: of our industries and our professions to get rid of
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Speaker 7: this scourge and get rid of this hatred, and be
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Speaker 7: more careful in who we hire, who we vet, who
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Speaker 7: we bring into this country as well. I think that's critical.
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Speaker 4: Alex sid certainly highlights how prescient it is for you
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Speaker 4: and Sharry Markson and Sky News to be hosting the
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Speaker 4: Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Summit next week, which I'm honored to be a part of.
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Speaker 4: To what degree is that media complicit in what we're
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Speaker 4: seeing in our society. I've spoken earlier tonight to a
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Speaker 4: former director of the ABC and he is saying that
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Speaker 4: the Anti Semitism sum Up, for instance, is something that
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Speaker 4: the ABC should have hosted to bring attention to this
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Speaker 4: nationally perhaps a year ago.
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Speaker 7: Certain sections of the media, as in certain sections of
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Speaker 7: all society, of the political class, of civil society, of
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Speaker 7: the so called human rights organizations are entirely complicit in
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Speaker 7: what's been developing and what's been allowed to happen.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 7: I speak with ABC and deal with their journals on
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Speaker 7: a near daily basis, and overwhelmingly there are wonderful people.
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Speaker 7: They are committed journalists who want to do their job
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Speaker 7: and report correctly. But there is something wrong there with
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Speaker 7: the culture as well, and it's not merely the ABC.
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Speaker 7: There are many institutions where there is this pervasive attitude
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Speaker 7: a certain group think which is very difficult to overcome,
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Speaker 7: and we see it in government as well. In certain
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Speaker 7: segments of political parties. There is a willingness to part
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Speaker 7: in this sort of behavior, to close one's eyes to it,
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Speaker 7: to believe it's not there, to find a excuse and
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Speaker 7: apologize for it. And we can't allow us to happen
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Speaker 7: any longer. It's just too much at stake.
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Speaker 4: Alex, thanks so much for joining us again on what's
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Speaker 4: a particularly tough day for Australia and especially our Jewish community.
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Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Chris, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Alice Richin there, let's get into the Wednesday
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Speaker 4: wrangle now with the Late Debate co host and Liz
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Speaker 4: Staer on the desk with me as ever, and Justin Smith,
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Speaker 4: a writer, broadcaster, author John joining us from Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: I want to get quick thoughts from each of you
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Speaker 3: about this.
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Speaker 15: I'm sorry, I can't hear you if you're talking to me.
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Speaker 15: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 3: I'll start with you.
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Speaker 4: I'll start with you then, Liz, we have a problem
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Speaker 4: with Justin just your thoughts on this. I mean, this
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Speaker 4: just confirms our worst fears, doesn't it that people seemingly
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Speaker 4: benefiting from our society and educated in articulate have this
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Speaker 4: hatred for Jewish people.
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Speaker 18: I mean, this surprises nobody at this point, sadly. But
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Speaker 18: what this guy, Max Veiefer has uncovered here extraordinary story. Really,
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Speaker 18: he's a content creator. He uses this chat platform just
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Speaker 18: to hit up people who randomly answer, and he asked
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Speaker 18: them what they think of Israel? And well did he strike?
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Speaker 18: I mean, what do you even call this? Right here
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Speaker 18: in our own hospital here in Sydney.
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Speaker 3: It's absolutely vile.
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Speaker 18: Obviously these people have been stood down, But then you
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Speaker 18: wonder how many of them are actually working in the system.
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Speaker 18: You have to ask that now these guys were sprung
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Speaker 18: in such an unlikely, unusual way. This is truly an
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Speaker 18: extraordinary story, and how stupid they were to think that
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Speaker 18: this wouldn't be reported and they wouldn't be caught out.
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Speaker 18: So what this also tells us is that people of
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Speaker 18: this position, some of them are so proud of and
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Speaker 18: feel justified in saying something like that that they are
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Speaker 18: happy to say it on a device that they know
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Speaker 18: could be recording someone in the medical profession here in
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Speaker 18: New Southway. I was saying, no, I would kill them
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Speaker 18: if they are from that nationality, I killed them.
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Speaker 4: I think that's the staggering thing when you see that
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Speaker 4: hatred express so freely and so proudly justin there's just
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Speaker 4: an insight into this element of Islamist extremism in this country,
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Speaker 4: and we have to wonder how many people in this
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Speaker 4: country harbor this ideology and how dangerous it is, and
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Speaker 4: what on earth we can do to combat it.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think the hatred has been there for and
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Speaker 15: I'm sorry about it before I've got you now, but
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Speaker 15: the hatred has been there for a long time, and
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Speaker 15: it's now I guess that people feel that they can
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Speaker 15: just speak out like this. But you mentioned the Muslim community,
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Speaker 15: and that's fine, but it goes well and truly beyond that,
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Speaker 15: we have Nazis who have been born in Australia that
47:52
Speaker 15: have been proudly sprouting anti Semitism for years. I'll give
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Speaker 15: you one very quick example of a problem we had here.
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Speaker 15: We had two Nazis who were caught up in a
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Speaker 15: violent attack, were part of a violent attack, went to
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Speaker 15: the county court. The judge wished them well, didn't give
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Speaker 15: them any further jail apart from time already served. And
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Speaker 15: they went out on the steps of the county court
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Speaker 15: and said Hail Hitler and did a zig hail, and
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Speaker 15: one of them had to go to court for that.
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Speaker 3: I think we all need so.
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Speaker 15: People from the Muslim community.
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Speaker 4: When blind's blind, Freddie looking at history knows that anti
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Speaker 4: Semitism is much broader than that. But what we've seen
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Speaker 4: in this country, expressed on our streets and expressed in
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Speaker 4: the terrorist attacks in the past, is Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 3: And that's what it looks like we're looking at here
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Speaker 3: today and Liz.
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Speaker 4: And unless we have politicians and police prepared to talk
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Speaker 4: about that and engage with Muslim communities on combating it,
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Speaker 4: then there's just going to fester.
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Speaker 18: And what would really help is if when this kind
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Speaker 18: of vile thing came to light. We were hearing from
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Speaker 18: leaders in the Muslim community saying, my gosh, we condemn that.
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Speaker 3: That's vile, that's foul.
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Speaker 18: Please don't associate that with us. We are upstanding Muslims.
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Speaker 18: We do not believe that whatsoever. We do not condone
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Speaker 18: this whatsoever. But troublingly, and we've seen this since October seven,
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Speaker 18: as well as the many anti anti acts of antisemitism
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Speaker 18: that we've seen since, we're not hearing a peep out
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Speaker 18: of the Muslim community here in Australia. That could really
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Speaker 18: help dissuade fears. It could really yeah for them to say, hey,
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Speaker 18: these guys are whack jobs. Please don't associate us with that.
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Speaker 3: The next scene, it would be very helpful. I'll give
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Speaker 3: you the last word on this, justin we're almost out
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Speaker 3: of time.
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Speaker 15: Just lot it just when I saw it. You don't
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Speaker 15: know where to start. You don't know whether to start
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Speaker 15: with their stupidity or their racism or their violence. But
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Speaker 15: you just look at that, and I mean, the first
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Speaker 15: thing I think is just that's that's not How the
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Speaker 15: hell did we become so incredibly hateful towards other people?
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Speaker 15: I mean, just the thought of a nurse in this
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Speaker 15: country or medical professional saying because somebody is different to them,
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Speaker 15: that they're not going to bloody treat them. How the
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Speaker 15: hell did we ever get to talking that way?
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Speaker 4: It is chilling and I agree wholeheartedly. Justin thanks so
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Speaker 4: much for joining us on.
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Speaker 3: Trum Caated Wednesday Rangle this week. Thanks very much this story.
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Speaker 4: She'll be back at ten o'clock with a late debate
50:26
Speaker 4: and Justin Smith will catch up with next week going
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Speaker 4: to a break now. After that, Caleb Bond will be
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Speaker 4: sitting in the chair for Quentlin.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow