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Pete Garcia: ‘Splintering’ Over Israel And Biblical Worldview · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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But I want to bring in our guests today.
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He's got some amazing articles.
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And one of them we're going to dive into today called Equification.
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But Pete Garcia, he's a retired military combat veteran and aviator.
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He's a writer, researcher, speaker, teacher of Bible prophecy and apologetics with a BA
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and international relations and a graduate of the US Army's prestigious command and general
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staff college and his bio, it goes on so much longer.
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But his website is rev310.net rev as in Revelation 310.net.
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Great website, great information, excellent articles from the biblical world view.
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Pete Garcia, welcome to world view matters.
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Thanks.
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It's going to be back with you David.
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Yeah.
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Good to see you again.
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And talk about some of these things.
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We're going to talk about.
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I love your articles brother.
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That was actually harder than what I thought, trying to decide which to talk about today
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because you have so many good articles that I love your writing.
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And I love the fact that you even let a little emotion sometimes come through the writing.
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The passion, I guess, I guess I could say.
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But what's the newest article?
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What are you writing now or what's one that you can tell people about over on your website
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before we get into the topic?
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I've got one called the Silence of the Lambs.
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It's coming out probably tomorrow and it's going to be talking about how pulpits across
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America and really in Europe and Western civilization have largely been silent on the prophetic
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issues, especially in the day and age when we live in where so much is happening.
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I just last Sunday that the pulp administrator at the church I go to was like, oh, people
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have been saying that last days of, you know, or here for the last, you know, 500 years
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of grocery.
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I was just kind of downflowing, playing in stuff and I was just like just reiterated the
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fact that this message needs to get out.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Come on.
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I wish we could talk about that one.
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No, okay.
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Because we have.
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We've talked about that.
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Pete.
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Okay.
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So before we get into this, you're obviously concerned like many of us are that a lot of
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pastors in America have not been teaching Bible prophecy.
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And even in recent months, so many of them for whatever reason are, for whatever reason
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they're not addressing Israel and what happened over there when Hamas attacked Israel and just
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the biblical worldview on the land and prophecy and it's just so disappointing.
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So just and you may even want to tease your article a little bit, uh, silence of the
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lambs.
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I love that title.
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Just share your heart on that before we dive into this.
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Yeah.
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So I married into a church of Christ domination and we've been going there for about 17 years
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off and on, you know, in the military, you're constantly moving.
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So we've been to a little of our dozen churches and three states.
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And so I kind of heard this same message over and over that that the kingdom is now that
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Jesus is currently ruling in heaven and that the church is his extension of rulership
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on the earth and that Israel, that the people there now are not the real chosen people.
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They're not the, you know, they're no longer in God's favor, kind of that kind of sentimentality.
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And and that kind of was what drove the, um, the article equivocation because I see this
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convoluting language that comes out trying to equivocate what's going on between Hamas
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and Israel is something that's just some geopolitical issue rather than a spiritual
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war that's been going on since the beginning.
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And I feel like a lot, a lot of the Christian churches that that have bought into things
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like a millennialism or post millennialism or preridism from, are promoting this idea
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that, that Israel is, you know, what goes on there right now is inconsequential to the
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church today.
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And I think they could be further, that could be further from the truth.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of ignorance.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah, there, there's, I understand why there's ignorance in the world, uh, people
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not paying, paying attention to world history or having their biases or whatever else.
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But in the church, when you're talking about Christians on this issue of Israel and what
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does the scripture tell teach us, especially I mean Romans 9 through 11 and chapter 9 through
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11, there's so much that we can get into.
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But let's, let's talk about this.
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You mentioned the word equivocation.
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And I love the way that you talk politics because we need to talk about some of the players,
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some of the major players here, um, the bi administration, by the way, seems to be at
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this point, they seem to be wanting to play both sides, uh, you know, supporting the
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Palestinians and then supporting Israel.
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Your quick thoughts on that, Pete?
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Well, you know, as I said, the article, and it came out on the 16th of October, so shortly
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after October 7th, and I, I read flares when up for me, as soon as I saw the Biden administration
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really jumping, uh, behind and trying to get behind Israel and, and supporting them.
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Because we've had them for the last 40 years, the Democrat Party has really been pushing
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to divide the land and have done everything in their power pretty much to weaken and
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to triple Israel, um, and, and with the exception of, um, you know, Trump's four years, I,
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would say that for the most part, the Republican Party has been, um, rather neutral or are
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really just kind of trying to push a status quo with, uh, regards to the Middle East, and
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it wasn't until Trump came with the Abraham Accords, and I'm not defending the Abraham
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Accords.
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I'm simply saying he was looking at it from a more pragmatic standpoint than what, what,
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you know, had been tried in the past with the Oslo Accords and whatnot.
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So, but with the Biden administration coming on board, trying to support Israel and really
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giving them a lot of lip service, the first thing that popped into my head was this idea
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that they are, they're trying to rally behind Israel, but really their motivations are,
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are, are not that honorable.
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I mean, they're, they're, I list out the reasons what I think they're trying to do.
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They're trying to divide the, um, what I would call the MAGA Republicans from their Christian
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base, they're trying to, um, uh, insert so much supported to the war that they can begin
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to need to control it and control the flow, uh, you know, you know, dictate the terms
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for a cessation of, uh, of conflicts and things like that.
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They're trying to disrupt the Abraham Accords, and, you know, obviously there's, um, weaponization,
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the weaponization of the immigrant, immigration issue that we've seen them use over and over
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and as part of the whole flowered and pivot strategy of overwhelming systems and, yeah.
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And so that all of those things combined, it's, it's been a tactic.
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It was, it was like a, uh, uh, Roman manual once said, you know, you never let a crisis
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go to waste.
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And so I think they saw this as an opportunity to insert themselves and to begin to use
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this crisis to their own advantage.
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Yep.
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And by the way, a lot of things you just mentioned, I got those, our, our, our underlying
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here, uh, in your article, but you clearly said it, it, it's just, it's no surprise.
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It's pretty clear to us paying attention that the Democrat party that you say the US Democrat
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policy has grown increasingly anti-Israel.
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And we're seeing that in some of their policies.
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As you said, it was a, it was a break, kind of a reprieve when Trump was in the White House
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for four years and some of the policies that, that he enacted and the support that he
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gave Netanyahu.
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Um, but let's go to where you talk about, um, the Obama Biden administration and the money
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given to Iran.
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I, I mean, now we're talking about Ukraine now, but they're all the billions given to
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Ukraine.
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But let's go back to the Obama years.
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A lot of us were scratching our heads going, I don't know how Congress is going along
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with this.
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How are they giving billions of dollars to Iran?
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Can you just share a little bit about what you put in your article on this, Pete?
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Well, that, you know, the, I'm not going to try and, and get into the mind of Obama
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as to what his, uh, motivations were.
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But it seems very, it's, it, it seems to real in the fact that on one hand, he begins
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his presidency by going, starting in Egypt, speaking at the Cairo University and then
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rightly, surely thereafter, we have what would be called the, the Arab Spring that kind
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of kicked off and we see the destabilization all across North Africa and the Middle East
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with one Arab country after another over throwing their governments.
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And then you have the, the collapse of a Qaddafi's regime in Libya.
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We have the crisis in Syria with Bashar Assad's regime falling apart and, and, you know, I,
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I, I, all of the, all of these things while he goes, Obama goes to Saudi Arabia to reawd
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and he's bound to the Prince, clearly he's bound to the king there.
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Uh, but then why are, why are they giving money to Saudi Arabia's greatest enemy or free,
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you know, freeing up all this six billion dollars that was frozen and in, in Iranian counts
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held by other nations, why are they unfreezing these things?
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It doesn't make sense, only in the sense that it would, it would create greater destabilization
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that we're pitting one side against the other.
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It's sort of this hagelian dialectic that we're watching kind of unfold on a grand scale.
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And I, I don't know, it would seem to me that Obama grew up in a Sunni kind of influence
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world and why is he kind of turned his back on the Sunni world now giving all the support
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to the she is.
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And when I say Obama, really, I mean, it's by extension, Biden is an extension of Obama
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in terms of policy and influence.
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And so he's kind of doing or the same actors are doing those things in the Middle East.
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And I ultimately, I think it's part and part and parcel to destabilize the Middle East
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that that benefits the military industrial complex.
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It benefits a lot of different global players.
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But again, it goes to the weaponization of immigration.
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It goes to the collapsing of nation states and the greater need for a global government,
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which when you have this kind of world war three scenario, I think, and that's ultimately
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what I think they're trying to promote is some kind of a world war three situation,
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whether it's in Ukraine or in Israel between Hamas and the IDF, they want it to, they want
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it to explode.
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They want it to go nuts because what happened after the last two world wars?
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After World War one, we had the League of Nations.
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After World War two, we got the United Nations.
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So after World War three, you know, if you know, logic follows history, then it would
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lead to believe, lead one to believe that there would be some kind of a global government.
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And now, add on top of that, the technology that we have today, which my latest article
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The Bleeding Edge talks all about the technology that we have can now complement a global
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government in ways that could never have done in the past.
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Yeah.
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By the way, that article made my head spin.
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The bleeding edge.
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I'm like goodness.
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I mean, technology can do that.
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The advances that I don't think we were meant to keep up with as human beings.
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But I want to go to a point that you made here in your article.
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You said, Democrats who are obsessed with power and control are sensing an opportunity,
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especially as we come into the 2024 election cycle.
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And we, yeah, we were not surprised by that.
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I think they are sensing an opportunity.
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How this is going to play out, we don't know.
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Will there be resistance?
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I don't know what's going to be happening with Israel and over at Gaza.
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I don't know.
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But just elaborate on that point, Pete, because I think after what happened in 2020 with
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the elections, I think a lot of us are seeing, yeah, they're going to play any card they
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can and their power to try to either disrupt the elections or steal the election or prevent
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it from even happening.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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It's kind of like, you know, what happens when a unstoppable force meets an immovable
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object.
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You've got the atrocities that were committed against Israel on October 7th that were,
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I mean, they weren't equating this to the Yom Kippur War, the Sixth Day War, any other
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even Munich.
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They were equating this back to the Holocaust as to the level of barbarity that happened
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and took place.
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And it is unforgivable.
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And it is absolutely something that that government unified the government in a way that nothing
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else could, it unified the society there in a way that nothing else could.
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And I think that this is one of those issues they are not going to let go.
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They're going to hunt these guys down, the Hamas leadership is long jihad, anybody else
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involved with the planning on this?
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And they're going to chase these guys to the end of the earth.
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They did that with the Third Reich, if you remember, at World War II, they hunted these guys
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for decades in South America and everywhere else and brought them to justice or confirmed
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that they were dead.
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But that's the unstoppable force.
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And then you meet the immovable object of being the end state of where the world's going
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to be at.
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The world's marching, I would say even being frogmars to the world of Revelation 13 where
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we see this regionalized system in the world that's ultimately taken control by one man.
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And how does that, what happens today, how does that fit in the world's going to look
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like in just a short time away?
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And I think that this all plays into it.
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And I think that ultimately, one of the statements that Anthony Blinken once said, he said here
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he says, this was in Politico on October the 12th, he said, the message that I bring to
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Israel is this, you may be strong enough to, you may be strong enough on your own to
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defend yourself.
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But as long as America exists, you will never have to, Blinken said, well, standing alongside
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Prime Minister Ben-Yahu.
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But we know by the conflict in the Ezekiel 38 and 39, there is no mention of the United
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States.
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In fact, Israel is standing alone and ultimately it's God himself that comes and defends Israel
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against the overwhelming hordes of the God and make out conflict.
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So I think that is a little prophetic in a sense of foreboding in the same way that Caiaphas
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said, should we let one man die for the whole, the sins of the whole country or whatever
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he said, it's kind of that kind of same foreshadowing saying that, hey, as long as America exists,
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we're going to be here, standing by your side.
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Well, that doesn't necessarily bode well for us in regards to Bible prophecy.
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Exactly.
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But it is telling, it is telling that right now it is suing the purposes of the Biden administration
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to stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel.
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And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with what they're doing that I'm looking at
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the motivations of why they're doing it.
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And then I think that's what really is the gist of that article is why are they doing
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this when they've for so long been antithetical to the nation and the existence of Israel
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as a nation?
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Well, I think it's part of it's a smokescreen, I can't fully explain that.
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But I think they also see the election coming up next year and they don't want to lose
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a lot of support.
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But anyway, we've got to take a quick break.
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So Pete Garcia is with us.
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By the way, right at the top of his article, there's a really good map.
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These maps have to be put out there, friends, because they're good reminders for us how
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little Israel is and how much land they they have compared to the massive land around
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them that tells us that if they are colonizers, Pete Garcia, they're not doing a very good
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job at colonizing or occupying the land.
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Just your quick thoughts on that before we get back to your article.
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Yeah, I've been listening to Ben Shapiro lately doing a lot of these debates with the
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Arabs around the different universities and stuff.
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And ultimately, he always comes back to one question.
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Are you for a two-state solution or for a one-state solution, meaning there is no Jewish
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state and they always come back to the second part that they don't want a Jewish state at
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all.
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So it doesn't matter the rest of their arguments or just smoke and mirrors.
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Ultimately, they don't want a Jewish state, arguably the size of Delaware in the midst
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of the sea of Arab and Turkish and Persian and every other Egyptian nations there existing
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in the land.
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So it's interesting to me also that I was thinking about this the other day.
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It's not in the article necessarily, but why if we saw for the up until the time Israel
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became a nation in 1948, prior to that, what we saw was rabid anti-Semitism throughout
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the world going back to the time of the Roman Empire.
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You saw the pro-programs, you saw European country, after European country, expelling
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and confiscating all the wealth of the Jews there, killing the executions, all the things
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that the horrors that were done against the Jewish people throughout the world and their
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wanderings during the diaspora.
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But then after 1948, it changed from anti-Semitism to anti-Zionism.
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And so now we saw this continual push, political push to reduce or diminish the nation of Israel.
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And any time you try to equate the two, there's always a huge push back on that.
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Like, oh, we're not anti-Semitic, we just don't think that the nation of Israel should
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be occupying the land blah, blah, blah, that's the argument they give.
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But now with October 7th, I think what happened is there has been the blinders have come
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off.
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And so now you're starting to see both anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism together in a way that
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we haven't seen since the 1930s in Europe, in regards to how blatant it is.
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Yeah, I want to get to some of your bullet points in the article starting with their Christians
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generally, biblical Christians generally support Israel.
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But were you surprised, Pete, at the level of anti-Semitism on college campuses across
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America?
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There were protests in our own country that supposedly support or supported what Hamas did.
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And this is, these are some of those brutal, horrific, violent acts against any people,
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not in war, but just against women and children.
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Just your thoughts on the American, maybe the universities of the environment there?
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I'm not surprised by it.
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I think of anything it's kind of power for the course from what we've seen here in the
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last, you know, at least since 2020 or since Trump's come in office back in 2016.
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I think what is surprising to me is as much as this conflict is splintering kind of the
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magick and conservative base, Christian base, it's also seeming to splinter in ways the
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progressive left from the, you know, more mainstream Democrats side, because of the progressive
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left, the hardcore left, just willingness to overlook the atrocities that were committed
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against women and children and the rapes, the mutilations and all of those things have
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seemingly got a free pass from Congresswomen, from, you know, just any number of people seemingly
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professionals.
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At the same time, you've got people like Clinton and others are coming out saying, we can't
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really condone that, that's not something we, we've, you know, we want the Palestinians
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to be, you know, to live in a two-state solution, all the stuff that she, you know, her talking
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points, but she's very much against the, you know, and I probably, that's the feminism
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in her coming out saying, you know, what they did was wrong because it's against women.
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So now it seems like this conflict because of all of the different factors into it is
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starting to splinter different groups and it goes back to the Zechariah's prophecy
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that Israel is going to be this burdensome stone that all the nations that try to remove
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it and try to do stuff with it or it can destroy themselves in the process.
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I agree, I like to, I like that word splinter, too, because I think that's what's happening
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in a lot of groups throughout America and around the world, by the way.
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But let's talk about what their goals are, you mentioned controlling how Israel fights
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this war, you also mentioned weaponizing immigration, I think you mentioned that already.
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But let's talk about how would anyone control Israel?
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Is it the money just financially or political threats?
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How would people control that?
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I think it's going to be the political pressure against Israel to, you know, just like we saw
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with the ceasefire here a few days ago in the release of the hostages.
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And I think once Israel, if Israel is able to get back or at least get confirmation on
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the hostages, if they can get them all back, that's one thing.
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If they can at least get confirmation that they're dead or that they've already been,
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they died during captivity, you're going to see Israel continue this conflict in order
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to destroy, utterly destroy Hamas as an organization and anybody that supports it.
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I think that's where we're going to see the greatest amount of pressure for them to stop.
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Once that confirmation about the hostages, the status of them, either they're returned
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or they're confirmed dead, beyond that, I think there is going to be huge pressure on Israel
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to come to some kind of ceasefire, even though that is against their stated goals of
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completely eliminating Hamas as an institution forever.
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So we'll see how that shakes out here in the coming weeks and months.
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So you also mentioned Genesis 12, 1 through 3 in the article, right after you got done
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saying evil is evil, and you talk about how God created the institution of human government
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for the purpose of being a check against rampant lawlessness.
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And so God created order and there's morality only because God and His laws.
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But you see this spiritual battle now that has, I guess, exploded into what we're seeing
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in world history now today and just I guess we only, since we only have a couple more minutes
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Pete.
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And I just didn't didn't even get to a couple of the questions toward the end of the article.
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But just your thoughts on concluding this and what Bible believing Christians can look
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to as far as here's what we have to keep our eyes fixed on and keep believing.
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Yeah, I think Genesis 12, 1 through 3 in particular, verse 3, it is one of those unconditional
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promises that God makes to Abraham and to extension who is his biological errors that would
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come, you know, the nation of Israel, that those who bless you, I will bless them and those
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who curse you, I will curse them.
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That has never been rescinded anywhere in Scripture.
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And I think what a lot of churches today are confusing or conflating the issue, is they're
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trying to make this some kind of a conditional covenant that was later rescinded by God when
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Israel, you know, began experience all the difficulties they had throughout the Old Testament
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with chasing other gods and things like that.
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Well those things are, you know, there was conditional covenants and there's unconditional
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covenants.
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And the Abrahamic covenant was absolutely unconditional.
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And the fact that churches today and at least in America are trying to confuse the issue
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and is very disheartening, it bobbles my mind because if God can break his unconditional
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promises with the nation of Israel and all of the promises throughout the Old Testament,
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then who's to say he can't break his promises with the church?
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So we should hope that God does not break his promises with the nation of Israel.
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For our own sake, you know, let alone what we see going on in the world today.
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But we pray for the peace in Jerusalem.
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We pray for the leadership both in the United States and for Israel and around the world
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for them to use their position in government to promote peace and order rather than destabilization
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and conflict.
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So yeah.
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We pray for more of the Jewish people to come to the one true God and receive and believe
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in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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What made you know, we got like a minute left, but what made you end the article with
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first Thessalonians five one through three and of course that's when it talks about people
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saying peace and safety or peace and security and then sudden destruction comes upon them.
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Your thoughts on how you ended that article with that verse?
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I think we're in the coming, you know, we don't know the day or the hour when the rapture
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of the church is going to happen, but I do believe we'll know the season and I think
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that this is one of those instances where the continued conflict in the world is going
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to be growing to such a great extent that people are ultimately going to cry out for a
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peace and safety.
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And I think that at that moment, that's when the rapture happens and then sudden destruction.
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Well, then when I think of peace and safety, I think we during COVID, I mean, we basically
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complied and said, whatever, whatever, just give me peace and safety and we went along
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with things, even the church, the silence of the land.
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By the way, friends, look up Pete's article, the silence of the lambs because I'm going
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to read it as soon as I get done here.
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But great to have you.
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We're going to have to continue this conversation.
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I love your writing.
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You mentioned a conference coming up in January that you're going to go speak to.
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You want to just mention that briefly?
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Yeah, January 29th, I think we get to actually get to Australia on the 31st, but it'll
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be the 31st through the 5th in Australia and New Zealand.
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So I think it's Brisbane, Australia, and then Auckland, New Zealand.
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There's a conference in Guthrie, Oklahoma, will be in April, I think the 12th and 13th,
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and then Madison, Mississippi on the 4th will be the next conference as always be speaking.
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I've been there, Madison, Mississippi.
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Hey, friends, you can go to rev310.net.
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Do you have, let's see, I'm looking for events and your schedules.
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Is that on your website, Pete?
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It's on my to-do list to put one up there.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Well, Lord willing, you'll continue to get busier and busier and more in demand, and I just
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appreciate your ministry and your voice and have a Merry Christmas.
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Lord willing, we'll talk in the new year.
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Okay.
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Take care, God bless.
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Thanks, Pete.
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God bless you.
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All right, friends.
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Tomorrow, we've got, where am I here?
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Karl Kirby, reasons for hope.
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He's got a new book out about Christmas.
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We'll talk with Karl tomorrow.
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God bless you, and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.