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Rams Chiefs makes MASSIVE trade, Latest with Max Crosby, Lou Holtz passes away · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three now podcasts? Hopefully everyone is doing well.
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Speaker 1: And we had a massive trade today. The Chiefs traded
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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie to the Rams for a first round pick,
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Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, feel a little under
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Speaker 1: the weather, but I gotta do something. So we fired
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Speaker 1: out a podcast reaction to the trade. Some other stuff
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Speaker 1: going on. Mike Silver wrote a big article about Max
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Speaker 1: Crosby and Lou Holtz passed away at eighty nine years old,
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Speaker 1: the legendary Notre Dame football coach, So we will dive
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Speaker 1: into that today. I'll probably do a pretty big mail
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Speaker 1: that out as well. So let's just dive in. I
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Speaker 1: mentioned this to Howie is that when I first started
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Speaker 1: working with the Eagles, he was kind of on the
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Speaker 1: forefront of thinking much more like a basketball or a
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Speaker 1: baseball general manager, where major players get traded all the time.
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Speaker 1: And when I was a kid in the NBA and
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Speaker 1: the Jordan Aarrow was thriving, and obviously baseball was America's pastime.
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Speaker 1: I know, technically, I don't know if it's lost that
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Speaker 1: kind of that label in terms of they still consider
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Speaker 1: themselves that, but clearly football is America's sport. But one
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Speaker 1: thing that happened in those two sports constantly were star
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Speaker 1: players getting traded year round the in season. It just
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Speaker 1: didn't happen as much in football. Obviously in season, football
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Speaker 1: coaches always pushed back, it's not a plug and play league. Right.
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Speaker 1: If I trade for a third baseman right now, in
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Speaker 1: spring training or in the middle of the season, I
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Speaker 1: just put him at third base, and if he's a
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Speaker 1: good hitter, I put him at Now. They bat the
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Speaker 1: guy to lead off for second potentially three or four,
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Speaker 1: and we just roll in a weird way. It's a
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Speaker 1: team sport that's kind of an individual sport morphed into one.
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Speaker 1: Basketball has always had this middle ground where you need
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Speaker 1: these great individuals, but it's definitely more of a team
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Speaker 1: concept to win championships and be you know, win a
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Speaker 1: lot of games, much closer to footballs where chemistry, cohesion,
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Speaker 1: some of the intangible stuff really really matters. But they've
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Speaker 1: always been willing to make trades for star players. I mean,
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Speaker 1: some of the biggest names in the history of the sport,
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Speaker 1: at least in my lifetime, have been traded in season, offseason.
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Speaker 1: It just happened, and in football it was way less
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Speaker 1: likely up until the last ten years. And I think
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Speaker 1: we have really benefited obviously some of the talks about
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Speaker 1: the sport, but people that consume the sport is if
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Speaker 1: I would have told you two days ago there was
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Speaker 1: gonna be a massive trade on Wednesday morning, I would
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Speaker 1: have said universally, people you know, not necessarily quote unquote casuals,
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Speaker 1: but people that fall football really closely would have said, oh,
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Speaker 1: where did Max Crosby get traded? I wonder who landed
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Speaker 1: AJ Brown? And that's not what took place. Trent McDuffie
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Speaker 1: was traded for a first round pick from the Chiefs
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Speaker 1: to the Rams, which this is out of nowhere because
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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie had been rumored like the Chiefs were gonna
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Speaker 1: give him one hundred million dollar contract. They weren't gonna
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Speaker 1: pay him thirty million dollars a year. And we'll dive
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Speaker 1: into all the different angles there, but it was it
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Speaker 1: was kind of well known he was available. Now they
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Speaker 1: weren't just gonna give him away that you had to
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Speaker 1: pay a lot I either, rams, but these teams and listen,
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Speaker 1: and he's made a lot of trades. Obviously less snead
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Speaker 1: have made a lot of trades. You go, yeah, John,
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Speaker 1: these two teams are outliers. I think all these teams now,
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Speaker 1: especially the good ones, are more than willing to wheel
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Speaker 1: and deal, Like we have a league full of Howie
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Speaker 1: Roseman John Schneider types who are willing to do aggressive
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Speaker 1: things that historically football, especially you know, seventies, eighties, nineties,
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Speaker 1: was much more of a conservative league. Let's just see
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Speaker 1: what we got, let's just play this out, let's just
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Speaker 1: keep our picks. I think it's much less likely like
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Speaker 1: that now. Obviously, the boom of the cash that is involved,
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Speaker 1: the pressure on a year to year basis. It was
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Speaker 1: reported yesterday that's Steven Ross the Miami Dolphins who. I
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Speaker 1: don't think I have won a playoff game. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know if they've won a playoff game in the
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Speaker 1: Internet era. It's been a long long time. Don't quote me.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to piss off Miami Dolphins fans, but
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Speaker 1: it's definitely been over twenty plus years since the Miami
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Speaker 1: Dolphins have won a playoff game. Maybe even longer, maybe
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Speaker 1: since the nineties. And they've sold one percent of the
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Speaker 1: franchise and he got a hunt earn twenty five million dollars.
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Speaker 1: You know why, because they valued the franchise at twelve
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Speaker 1: point five billion dollars. Now, there are some franchises that
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Speaker 1: are worth more than others. But this is why I
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Speaker 1: always push back on the mindset of people like the
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, people like the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, your franchise
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Speaker 1: might be worth in theory way less than that, but
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Speaker 1: your franchise is still worth billions of dollars. You have
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Speaker 1: the cash flow from the league. You should be overly
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Speaker 1: aggressive spending money. You're not gonna go broke. This isn't
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Speaker 1: the seventies or the eighties. You're not dependent on people
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Speaker 1: showing up to your stadium. That is just extra cash.
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Speaker 1: That is just money to fill your back pockets. And
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Speaker 1: those type guys, unlike some of these franchises don't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of other businesses that they need to worry about.
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Speaker 1: I do understand some of these teams that go, well,
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Speaker 1: we got a EPL team, we got three other businesses,
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Speaker 1: we got a lot of hands in different cookie jars, right, Okay,
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Speaker 1: so some years we're gonna be more aggressive than others.
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Speaker 1: That is not the case for some of the poor teams. Now,
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Speaker 1: you're not poor because you have the NFL for you
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Speaker 1: have the NFL valuation of your franchise. And I just
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Speaker 1: appreciate teams that are aggressive. I appreciate all these gms
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Speaker 1: in the league making this kind of reality television show
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Speaker 1: much more entertaining. You could tell me right now there
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Speaker 1: is another massive trade on Thursday or Friday of this week,
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Speaker 1: and it does not include either one of the guys
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Speaker 1: that we think are gonna get traded in Max and
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Speaker 1: AJ and that that's what's cool about the off season now,
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Speaker 1: because let's face it, you look at the free agent list,
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Speaker 1: it's not great, it's not name It's like no one's
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Speaker 1: you know, gonna break Internet records. Talking about Tyler Lindenbaum's pay,
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Speaker 1: you know, getting paid twenty million dollars signing with somebody, Right,
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Speaker 1: But these trades, these maneuvers, these really good teams being
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Speaker 1: overly aggressive. What does everyone say, like Max Crosby, Howie
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Speaker 1: Rosen's gonna be in the mix, Howie Rosmin's gonna be
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Speaker 1: in the mix. The Bears right now are currently the
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Speaker 1: betting favorite to land Max Crosby. The Tampa Bay Bucks
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Speaker 1: are going to be overly aggressive to get them. The
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, I'm sure, are going to have long discussions
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Speaker 1: in regards to Crosby, and I think we all benefit
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Speaker 1: from that. And it makes you know, an off season,
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Speaker 1: which I would say used to be a little slower,
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Speaker 1: especially twenty thirty years ago, much more of just fireworks
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Speaker 1: can go off at any moment. And these trades, not
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Speaker 1: just now, but in training camp and in the season,
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Speaker 1: you got to buckle up because they could come at
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Speaker 1: any moment. That just wasn't the case in generations past.
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Speaker 1: So props to these young guys, Props to these gms
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Speaker 1: like less Need and bred Veach and Howie and John
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Speaker 1: Schneider that are just fucking willing to wheel and deal.
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Speaker 1: We all that follow the sport and love the you know,
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Speaker 1: the business of football, truly appreciate you because you make
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Speaker 1: this the whole thing much more entertaining in the middle
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Speaker 1: of March when it could could have been a little slower.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the trade now. I did some digging,
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Speaker 1: and I've done digging on this guy for a long time.
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Speaker 1: The Chiefs really like Trent McDuffie. I won't go as
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Speaker 1: far as love Trent McDuffie because they traded him, but
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Speaker 1: he was not poorly thought of in the building. He has,
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Speaker 1: from what I've been told, elite football character and just
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Speaker 1: a high end character guy. So in terms of the intangibles,
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Speaker 1: he's a high end human being, the type guy that
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Speaker 1: you want in your building. Good example comes to the Chiefs,
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Speaker 1: they immediately go to several Super Bowls and he's one
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Speaker 1: of the key guys on defense. He is a winning player.
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Speaker 1: I think the issue they had is the business element
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Speaker 1: of this sport is he's a fantastic nickel corner. You
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Speaker 1: could argue he's one of, if not the best nickel
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Speaker 1: corners in the NFL. The guy that plays the slot. Right,
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Speaker 1: you got your outside guys like Richard Truman, Darrell Reeves,
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Speaker 1: Patrick Tretan, and then you got guys like Trent McDuffie
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Speaker 1: who throws inside and when you put him outside, he's
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Speaker 1: a good player. But no one would, you know, get
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Speaker 1: him confused for some Hall of Famer outside. And if
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Speaker 1: you're going to pay a guy thirty plus million dollars
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Speaker 1: a year, which I would guess whenever the contract comes
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Speaker 1: out that the Rams eventually give him, it's going to
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Speaker 1: be an astronomical number. And I think they were uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: giving the amount of money to a guy who thrives
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Speaker 1: doing certain stuff. Again, they love the guy and the
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Speaker 1: intangible stuff, but given that some of their other financial situations,
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Speaker 1: given that they're paying their quarterback a lot, and ideally
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Speaker 1: he comes back healthy and you know he will keep
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Speaker 1: getting revisions to his contract and be one of the
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Speaker 1: highest paid guys in the league for the rest of
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Speaker 1: his career, as long as he's on the Chiefs and
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Speaker 1: Andy's there that you got to make these tough decisions.
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Speaker 1: You know, when they traded Tyreek several years ago, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't football because Tyreek then was in the peak of
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Speaker 1: his powers and one of the greatest football players we
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Speaker 1: ever seen. You can't. You can't say that about Trent McDuffie.
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Speaker 1: You could say that about Tyreek Hill. And then he
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Speaker 1: went to the Dolphins and had like historic seasons. He
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Speaker 1: was an elite, but they were just uncomfortable. Obviously, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of noise off the field, and they just
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Speaker 1: made as much of a business decision as like a
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Speaker 1: personal decision. Can we invest in this guy at this number?
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Speaker 1: And we can't, And we punted with the McDuffie thing.
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Speaker 1: It was more is he good enough? Because Tyreek was
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Speaker 1: good enough for whatever you're gonna pay him. It's like,
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Speaker 1: can you trust the guy? You can trust McDuffie, but
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Speaker 1: can you trust him on the outside against Jamar Chase
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Speaker 1: in the second round? And the answer, I think clearly
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Speaker 1: they said no, not When I'm paying you is what
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Speaker 1: you will become the second highest paid player on the team.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think this was an easy decision for
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And let's face it, they extended George Karlofftis
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Speaker 1: last year and by all accounts, he had an underwhelming season,
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Speaker 1: So there's gonna be a lot of emphasis for him,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, from the coaching from Beach, from everyone in
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Speaker 1: that organization of like, listen, we've invested in you, we
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Speaker 1: need to get what we saw early on. We need
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Speaker 1: you to be, you know, an above average player. And
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Speaker 1: I think they just kind of went through that that
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Speaker 1: it was like WHOA carloftis was never gonna be Max
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Speaker 1: Crosby was never gonna be some high end one of
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Speaker 1: the best players in the league. But they felt good
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Speaker 1: about his trajectory. And let's face it, I would imagine
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Speaker 1: a year and they probably have some regrets of doing
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Speaker 1: that contract and they didn't want to be in the
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Speaker 1: same position with McDuffie. And like McDuffie, carloftis elite football character.
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Speaker 1: So they have no problem with the guy or the person.
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Speaker 1: It's just the play, and they're in the business. It's
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Speaker 1: all about the play. We're the only team in the
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Speaker 1: league really that it's like super Bowl bust every single year.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we went to you know whatever five or
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Speaker 1: six Super Bowls and it felt underwhelming, like we thought
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Speaker 1: we should have been it had more success, and that's
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Speaker 1: pretty rare in a league built on parody. Here's the
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Speaker 1: other thing in the Andy era, because Beach hasn't been
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Speaker 1: the GM the whole time, even though he's been with
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Speaker 1: him the whole time. He came over with him from
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Speaker 1: Philly and then became the GM. I forget the exact year,
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Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen, whenever they drafted Mahomes, he wasn't technically
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Speaker 1: the GM yet, even though he was obviously one of
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Speaker 1: his biggest supporters in the building and the guy pushing
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Speaker 1: him from day one. They've won a lot of big trades.
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Speaker 1: I would say there are four pivotal trades in the
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid era. We don't have the results of this one.
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Speaker 1: We will find out over the next several years, but
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Speaker 1: the previous three we couldn't have gone much better. The
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Speaker 1: first one I'm not going to call the home run,
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Speaker 1: but when they traded for Alex Smith Andy Reid's first year,
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Speaker 1: it solidified a position that the Chiefs had been disaster
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Speaker 1: at at quarterback. They were the worst team in the
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Speaker 1: league the previous year they had the number one overall pick,
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Speaker 1: and getting Alex Smith, they went to five playoff games
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Speaker 1: in six years. Like so, they immediately stabilized their franchise
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Speaker 1: and became a real factor in the NFL. Not a
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl factor, but a real factor on a yearly basis.
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Speaker 1: In a league still with Brady, with Manning Philip Rivers
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Speaker 1: in his prime, like, they became a real team and
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Speaker 1: they gave up a second round pick for him, and
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Speaker 1: they clearly did not regret that one at all. Their
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Speaker 1: next massive trade, obviously, was trading up for Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 1: They were coming from the twenties and they got him,
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Speaker 1: and it clearly will go down as one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest trades in the history of sports. Right It's netted
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Speaker 1: them a bunch of Super Bowls. He's a Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame quarterback and he will go down as one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest players in the history of the sport. And
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Speaker 1: it all came back to Draft night when they knew
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Speaker 1: that the Saints and Sean Payton liked them, and they
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Speaker 1: maneuvered them and came over them. So those are you know,
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Speaker 1: Mahomes is a walkoff Grand Slam Alex Smith, when you
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Speaker 1: factor in the context of what that team was, I mean,
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Speaker 1: is that minimum like I mean a double off the wall,
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Speaker 1: maybe like a stand up triple. That was a fantastic trade.
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Speaker 1: The other trade, which was pretty polarizing, back to the
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Speaker 1: Tyreek thing, which is ironic because they traded Tyreek to
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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and then they used that pick to take
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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie, who then became a key player for a
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Speaker 1: team that went to three straight Super Bowls. I remember
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Speaker 1: talking to each a couple of years ago. He's like
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Speaker 1: they had been back to back champs, and Brett was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, the crazy part is George carloftis at Trent McDuffie,
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Speaker 1: who were drafted in the same draft, right in the
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Speaker 1: first round. All those two guys knew going to the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That's not the league. I mean, obviously they
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Speaker 1: got a little humble pie this year going six and eleven,
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Speaker 1: But that trade is listen. I don't know where it
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Speaker 1: goes on the list of all time great trades, but
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Speaker 1: when you factor in getting rid of the money, changing
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Speaker 1: your defense, and then winning back to back Super Bowls,
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Speaker 1: it's clearly one of the defining moments in the Andy
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Speaker 1: Reid era. Now this trade is yet to ride itself,
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Speaker 1: but anytime that you could get a first round pick
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Speaker 1: for a player that you were not gonna pay who
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Speaker 1: you drafted in the first round a little higher pick
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Speaker 1: twenty two, you get picked twenty nine. But over the
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Speaker 1: course of four years, not only has he held his value,
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Speaker 1: and he's not viewed as like, you know, sometimes these
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Speaker 1: guys get traded, like Jalen Ramsey, you know, Khalil Mack
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Speaker 1: got traded, but those guys reviewed as like Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame players. Trey McDuffie's not viewed as a Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame player. But he's a really good player that you
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Speaker 1: can get a first round pick and then the following
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Speaker 1: year get a third round pick. I know there are
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Speaker 1: other picks involved. I don't really care about those, but
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Speaker 1: the pick twenty nine for a team that needs some younger,
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Speaker 1: cheap assets and talented players. Think about this. The Chiefs
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Speaker 1: got their starting left tackle last year at the end
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Speaker 1: of the first round pick thirty one, so this is
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Speaker 1: technically a better pick, you know, so I this is
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Speaker 1: this is one of the rare trades. And someone with
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs texting with him today said this is a
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Speaker 1: win win, Like, this is a good trade for the
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Speaker 1: Rams too. This is not one of those trades like
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Speaker 1: when the Dolphins traded for Tyreek Hill. It went does
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Speaker 1: this make that much sense? Like, is is this what
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Speaker 1: you want to do? And there was a business element
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Speaker 1: to this, you know from the Dolphin standpoint that they
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Speaker 1: got to the playoffs. He was great. It's not like
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Speaker 1: it was a disaster for them. But you're gonna trade
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Speaker 1: for a wide receiver, you better be damn sure, right
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Speaker 1: The Raiders has traded for Davante. DeVante's a Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame level guy. It was a disaster the Eagles, who
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Speaker 1: were much better equipped to handle it, trade for aj Brown,
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Speaker 1: And while it might end this week, it was a
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Speaker 1: really successful marriage making that move. So Trady McDuffie is
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Speaker 1: much more of a plug and play player because of
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Speaker 1: his versatility, and you immediately know he can play in
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Speaker 1: the slot. And then you're in a division where you
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Speaker 1: know JSN you the forty nine ers are gonna have reinforcements,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure on offense obviously, the NFC in general with
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, the Lions got a bunch of talent, The
16:47
Speaker 1: Eagles got a bunch of talent. The Cowboys have a
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Speaker 1: really good offense. You know, I think the South is
16:51
Speaker 1: kind of under the radar right now. The Giants are
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Speaker 1: definitely on the come. I mean, jayde Daniel's gonna be healthy.
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Speaker 1: The NFC, I don't think we quite talk about sometimes
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Speaker 1: with the AFC because of Mahomes, Josh Lamar Burrow Herbert.
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Speaker 1: But from a team standpoint, it's really good and really deep.
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Speaker 1: So I think when you're looking the Chiefs, the key
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Speaker 1: now is to hit on these players. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to him. They lost
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Speaker 1: his last couple of games. They have the ninth overall pick.
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Speaker 1: They should get a impact player that helps reset the franchise,
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Speaker 1: like they have a chance to get the equivalent of
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Speaker 1: you know, a Travis kelce a Chris Jones, the guy
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Speaker 1: that you can look back in seven eight years that
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Speaker 1: have been to five Pro Bowls. And I don't mean
17:33
Speaker 1: the guy like a Shador Sanders Pro Bowl or you
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Speaker 1: know Mac Jones Pro Bowl. I mean the Pro Bowl.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, one of the best players
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Speaker 1: in the league at his position. You know, a guy
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Speaker 1: that's whether he's an All Pro or like a fringe
17:46
Speaker 1: All Pro, but a guy that every team would want.
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Speaker 1: And Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey are all pro level guys.
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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, And whether that's Ruben Bain,
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Speaker 1: whether that's you know, I don't think they're gonna take
17:56
Speaker 1: Jeremi Love because I don't think you'll be there, But
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Speaker 1: you know, one of these offensive linemen, whoever it may be.
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be alignment. But you have a chance
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Speaker 1: to get a core guy for this reset, and then
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Speaker 1: with twenty nine you can do a couple things, like
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Speaker 1: you could move up into the high twenties. Right, you
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Speaker 1: got that extra third. Next year you can get aggressive
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Speaker 1: because you're kind of like the Rams. The Chiefs are
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Speaker 1: Virginia on the Rams side. Clearly they have been really
20:29
Speaker 1: close to these last couple of years. I mean they
20:32
Speaker 1: are was it a Jalen Carter pass rush two years
20:35
Speaker 1: ago against the Eagles from upsetting the Eagles and I
20:39
Speaker 1: think they probably go on to win the Super Bowl
20:40
Speaker 1: that year. This year it was clear the Super Bowl
20:44
Speaker 1: was the NFC championship, and I think that their downfall
20:49
Speaker 1: this year was pretty clear. Their secondary wasn't that good
20:53
Speaker 1: and it's been well, I guess it's been put out
20:57
Speaker 1: there by different reporters like they had had a desire
21:00
Speaker 1: to add a high end secondary player and they've done
21:03
Speaker 1: it before and it really worked. Now, Jalen Ramsey at
21:07
Speaker 1: the same age is a better player than Trent McDuffie. Right,
21:10
Speaker 1: if you could say, hey, you get every GM in
21:12
Speaker 1: the league at whatever old trend is twenty five, twenty six,
21:16
Speaker 1: you get both players, same age, every single GMS taking
21:18
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey and that helped change. They gave up more.
21:21
Speaker 1: Remember they gave up multiple first round picks, so you
21:25
Speaker 1: didn't have to give up as much. But I think
21:29
Speaker 1: there weren't many Trent McDuffie types available, Like most teams
21:32
Speaker 1: aren't willing to trade high end corners and high end
21:37
Speaker 1: dbs when they have Super Bowl aspirations, like the Jets
21:43
Speaker 1: traded Sauce Gardner because they were going nowhere. Hell, they
21:46
Speaker 1: were going backwards. So the Chiefs because of their financial situation,
21:50
Speaker 1: like we're willing to talk now. There were also rumors
21:54
Speaker 1: that the Giants were involved, but the Giants would never
21:57
Speaker 1: give up their what do they have the fifth pick
21:58
Speaker 1: in the draft? You know that that's not an option,
22:01
Speaker 1: So I would imagine their offer might have included, like, hey,
22:05
Speaker 1: we'll give you like a three and a four this
22:07
Speaker 1: year and a one next year or whatever it may be,
22:10
Speaker 1: but it would they would have to kind of get
22:12
Speaker 1: creative because the top five pick is not an option.
22:17
Speaker 1: Where the Rams, this trade is probably the easiest one
22:22
Speaker 1: they've ever made. It truly is because I could be wrong,
22:25
Speaker 1: but all the years that they traded their first round picks,
22:27
Speaker 1: going way back to the Sammy Watkins, to the Brandon Cooks,
22:33
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters, obviously Jalen multiple first round picks, I mean,
22:36
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, they usually only had one pick. Right this
22:41
Speaker 1: year because of the trade they made, you know, essentially
22:45
Speaker 1: ten months ago, this pick was like listen, we talk
22:49
Speaker 1: about this all the time. There aren't thirty two guys
22:52
Speaker 1: that you will have graded in the first round. There
22:54
Speaker 1: is not a player. Now, this might not be the
22:57
Speaker 1: case in five years, but as we sit here, Sean
23:01
Speaker 1: McVeigh and less need in their offices wherever in some
23:04
Speaker 1: beautiful area in Los Angeles, where you go, we're gonna
23:07
Speaker 1: get a guy who's gonna be as good as Trent
23:09
Speaker 1: McDuffie for the next couple of years. Not only could
23:11
Speaker 1: you not say that, more than likely, it's a fifty proposition.
23:15
Speaker 1: This guy is decent, this guy's a starter. And because
23:18
Speaker 1: we have the thirteenth pick in the draft, because we
23:21
Speaker 1: made one of the craziest trades in the history of
23:23
Speaker 1: the league. There's no one's disputes that James Pierce can play, right,
23:27
Speaker 1: he had whatever double digit sacks this year, but he
23:30
Speaker 1: might spend the next however many years in jail. Right,
23:34
Speaker 1: So not Matt Ryan or Ian Cunningham or any of
23:38
Speaker 1: those guys. Fault is a previous regime, But that will
23:41
Speaker 1: go down of taking a character risk that high and
23:44
Speaker 1: mortgaging a first round pick to pick a guy in
23:47
Speaker 1: the twenties. Why is he there in the twenties because
23:49
Speaker 1: he's got the biggest red flag behind him you've ever seen,
23:52
Speaker 1: and obviously he lived up to that. This offseason. It's
23:55
Speaker 1: a fucking disaster for the Falcons. And then you go
23:58
Speaker 1: eight to nine. It's not like, well, you made the playoffs,
24:00
Speaker 1: you won, you got to the second round. You give
24:03
Speaker 1: the Rams the thirteenth overall pick, which enables them they
24:06
Speaker 1: can move up a couple spots. If they like a guy,
24:08
Speaker 1: they can move back a couple of spots and add
24:10
Speaker 1: more picks, so it gives them flexibility. When's the last
24:14
Speaker 1: time the Rams drafted this high. Well, I'll tell you
24:16
Speaker 1: the last time was, you know, four or five years ago.
24:19
Speaker 1: The problem was the Lions had their pick and use
24:21
Speaker 1: that to maneuver and get Jamiir Gibbs and say Laporta.
24:25
Speaker 1: So I think the Rams they had to view that
24:28
Speaker 1: pick as just little house money. Listen, we all do this.
24:32
Speaker 1: Anyone that's hit a big bet, you know, online, and
24:37
Speaker 1: you see that number in your account, you go, this
24:39
Speaker 1: is just found money. And that's not always the right
24:41
Speaker 1: way to look at it. But sometimes you're like, hey,
24:44
Speaker 1: I'll make a bet that I might not make because
24:46
Speaker 1: I just hit this parlay for a couple grand and
24:49
Speaker 1: I think the Rams looked at it that way, and
24:50
Speaker 1: I don't think they're wrong too to be aggressive with
24:54
Speaker 1: that pick, utilize that pick because they have one goal
24:58
Speaker 1: and one goal only that to me is to be
25:01
Speaker 1: playing at home in the Super Bowl. And they have
25:03
Speaker 1: been really really close the last couple of years. And
25:05
Speaker 1: from their front, their front's good, the landman's a stud,
25:09
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator is good, but their secondary was just
25:12
Speaker 1: not trustworthy. And I would imagine, you know, if Caleb
25:15
Speaker 1: Downs is potentially available at thirteen, they will add more
25:18
Speaker 1: secondary help by one issue with this move for them,
25:22
Speaker 1: which it's and this is kind of a hypothetical because
25:26
Speaker 1: we don't know how this is all going to play out.
25:29
Speaker 1: One thing Belichick really thrived at over the course of
25:32
Speaker 1: their dynasty was he was always hesitant in free agency
25:37
Speaker 1: or trading back in the draft because he never wanted
25:40
Speaker 1: guys in his locker room who hadn't done anything for
25:44
Speaker 1: the Patriots to be making more money than a lot
25:46
Speaker 1: of his core guys who were winning in winning Super
25:49
Speaker 1: Bowls and going to Pro Bowls. And he was always
25:52
Speaker 1: very cognizant of that fact until the end when he
25:54
Speaker 1: got desperate and obviously a couple of years later it
25:57
Speaker 1: cost him his job. Kokinnakua has been one of the
26:01
Speaker 1: best players in the league for the last several years,
26:03
Speaker 1: and last year he was an unstoppable force. In those
26:06
Speaker 1: games against Seattle, he looked like Jerry Rice meets Calvin Johnson.
26:10
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think I've ever seen anyone
26:12
Speaker 1: quite play like that. There was like a trell Owens
26:15
Speaker 1: element to it. Was a monster. And he's contract eligible.
26:20
Speaker 1: And this is a major conversation around the league. Like
26:24
Speaker 1: we see these numbers. Brandon Ayuk was catching seventy five
26:28
Speaker 1: balls a year and got a contract with seventy five
26:31
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed two years ago. Think about that two
26:36
Speaker 1: years ago. So a guy like Puka, you start looking around, Well,
26:41
Speaker 1: who you're looking at. You're looking at the Ceede Lambs,
26:44
Speaker 1: You're looking at the Jumar Chases, You're looking at the
26:46
Speaker 1: Justin Jeffersons. So you start talking one hundred and twenty
26:48
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollars. Now I'm talking guaranteed money. Now,
26:53
Speaker 1: I don't think Trent McDuffie is gonna get near that
26:55
Speaker 1: much money. But if you do break Trent McDuffie off
26:59
Speaker 1: give him seventy eight eighty whatever guaranteed ninety. I don't
27:02
Speaker 1: know what the contract is gonna eventually be. Puka goes well,
27:07
Speaker 1: I've been in the trenches with all these guys these
27:08
Speaker 1: last couple of years when we've been on the precipice
27:11
Speaker 1: of jumping over that line and getting right there with
27:14
Speaker 1: the Eagles going toe to toe with Seattle in the
27:17
Speaker 1: NFC Championship. I wish your fucking road, Doug. I'm a
27:21
Speaker 1: winning player. We can, you know, nitpick some of the
27:24
Speaker 1: maturity stuff of the off the field, but there is
27:26
Speaker 1: no disputing his just elite nature on the field, which
27:31
Speaker 1: the end of the day, there is a production business,
27:33
Speaker 1: and I think that is going to complicate things a
27:36
Speaker 1: little bit. If in the next couple of days Trent
27:39
Speaker 1: McDuffie gets a huge contract, I think that will only
27:42
Speaker 1: emphasize what are they gonna do with Puka? They got it.
27:45
Speaker 1: This is not gonna be something they can just kind
27:47
Speaker 1: of go into training camp with. It's gonna be probably
27:50
Speaker 1: something in the off season that you're gonna have to
27:53
Speaker 1: solidify and kind of put you know, pen to paper
27:57
Speaker 1: and get a deal done. And if you're not move
27:59
Speaker 1: on from because he would have a ton of value
28:01
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're gonna move on fromhim. I
28:03
Speaker 1: would expect Pooka nakou to get a big contract. But
28:05
Speaker 1: if you tell me Pooka Nikoua doesn't have a contract
28:08
Speaker 1: by OTAs and Trent McDuffie has a big contract when
28:10
Speaker 1: he's never played a snap for the Rams, I would
28:12
Speaker 1: expect Pooka Nakoua not to be around and then that
28:14
Speaker 1: becomes a big thing. And he's already a polarizing player.
28:17
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's part of doing business in the NFL.
28:21
Speaker 1: A lot of variables, a lot of moving parts, a
28:23
Speaker 1: lot of people have opinions, a lot of egos, a
28:26
Speaker 1: lot of you know, people get offended quick with money
28:30
Speaker 1: because money's all relative, right, and you know how much
28:33
Speaker 1: everyone else is making. So that's something just to keep
28:35
Speaker 1: an eye on the contract situation, how they handle McDuffie.
28:38
Speaker 1: And remember when they traded for Jalen Ramsey years ago,
28:42
Speaker 1: they didn't immediately sign a new extension. It took a
28:44
Speaker 1: little time. And remember Jalen was cool with it because
28:46
Speaker 1: Jalen's like, I'm like best player in the league. I'm
28:49
Speaker 1: gonna get an astronomical amount of money, and he eventually
28:51
Speaker 1: did so. I appreciate the Rams they are that trade
28:58
Speaker 1: with the Falcons and the domino effects in which it
29:02
Speaker 1: had in a positive nature for their franchise led right
29:06
Speaker 1: up to today, because without that, I think it makes
29:09
Speaker 1: it a little more complicated. Now they still might do
29:11
Speaker 1: this deal. Let's just say, if you know they had
29:14
Speaker 1: just taken a player at pick twenty six and there
29:16
Speaker 1: was no crazy trade available from the Falcons, maybe they
29:19
Speaker 1: do this deal. At anyway, I think it became way
29:23
Speaker 1: easier to be like, yeah, take twenty nine, we gotta
29:25
Speaker 1: pick thirteen and props the Rams, and props to the
29:29
Speaker 1: NFC West, which is gonna just it's gonna be fireworks
29:32
Speaker 1: because if they can solidify that defensive backfield DeVante Puca,
29:38
Speaker 1: you know, Stafford, I think they by the time we
29:43
Speaker 1: get you know, to training camp. Would not shock me
29:46
Speaker 1: at all. If the Rams are the betting favorite to
29:50
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Now that doesn't you know, the
29:52
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Bills going into last season, I think
29:56
Speaker 1: we're both like three or four to one to be
29:58
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. They had better odds in
29:59
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Ravens that he make the playoffs
30:02
Speaker 1: part of it. The guy missed field goal, but still
30:04
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna win the Super Bowl this year. Coach
30:06
Speaker 1: got fired, immediately hired, got one hundred million dollars. So
30:09
Speaker 1: it's not like his life sucks. But you know what
30:10
Speaker 1: I mean. So just awesome trade, awesome, A lot of
30:14
Speaker 1: moving parts here, and like I said, very very appreciative
30:19
Speaker 1: to these type guys that just make moves and give
30:22
Speaker 1: us something to talk about. Okay, a couple other quick stories.
30:25
Speaker 1: Mike Silver, who I was with last week at the
30:27
Speaker 1: Athletic who is just one thing I appreciate about a
30:34
Speaker 1: lot of people in the NFL. And I can't speak
30:36
Speaker 1: to the journals in other sports, but I think what
30:39
Speaker 1: makes a great reporter in the NFL are guys that
30:43
Speaker 1: have in the NFL is probably easier to develop relationships
30:47
Speaker 1: with the coaches in the personnel department than maybe some
30:51
Speaker 1: other sports. Could be wrong, but Adam Schefterer knows every
30:54
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL rap sheet knows every coach in GM.
30:58
Speaker 1: In the NFL, Diana Russini was fucking everybody. Mike Silver
31:02
Speaker 1: has been at this for decades. He goes back with
31:05
Speaker 1: the Walsh and Al Davis and Mike Shanahan days when
31:08
Speaker 1: he knew those guys well. But this guy's ability to
31:13
Speaker 1: get people's phone numbers, talk to people and get information
31:16
Speaker 1: is just it's a skilly has now. The one thing
31:18
Speaker 1: with Mike that he's really good at is, you know,
31:21
Speaker 1: I don't know what Mike is late fifties. He can
31:24
Speaker 1: booze and hang so like he is a fun hang.
31:27
Speaker 1: He can go out with these guys, you know, whether
31:31
Speaker 1: he he can just relate to people. He's really good
31:34
Speaker 1: at just he's a fun hang and when he writes
31:37
Speaker 1: something like he gets good information. He was the guy
31:40
Speaker 1: that broke the story about Brandon Ayuk and Mike Silver
31:44
Speaker 1: was once famously banned from the Raiders facility. I think
31:46
Speaker 1: him and Al Davis used to butt heads, and he
31:49
Speaker 1: reported today about the Max Crosby situation. And I think
31:54
Speaker 1: at this point in time it's pretty well established that
31:58
Speaker 1: Max is ready, and I think the Raiders are okay
32:01
Speaker 1: and ready to They do just want to drive up
32:05
Speaker 1: the price, like they don't just plan on giving Max away,
32:08
Speaker 1: like for a Trent McDuffie package. And I think that
32:11
Speaker 1: is spy Tech's biggest hang up here, Like we're not
32:14
Speaker 1: just gonna give him away for a first and a third.
32:17
Speaker 1: This is not only one of the best players in
32:19
Speaker 1: the league like a McDuffie, he's like the highest character.
32:23
Speaker 1: His off the field in tangibles are off the charts.
32:27
Speaker 1: And he's not a slot corner. He's a pass rusher,
32:31
Speaker 1: an every down player who plays as hard maybe as
32:35
Speaker 1: anyone in the NFL. He might be the hardest player
32:38
Speaker 1: in the NFL in terms of effort for about seven
32:42
Speaker 1: straight years that guy. There have been a couple guys
32:44
Speaker 1: at least over my time doing this, and it was
32:47
Speaker 1: JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. And what made them Hall
32:50
Speaker 1: of Fame players is they were more talented than everybody
32:54
Speaker 1: and they played harder. I wouldn't say Max has the
32:57
Speaker 1: most talent, Like I don't think he has like Myles
33:00
Speaker 1: Garrett physical traits. I wouldn't compare him to like von
33:03
Speaker 1: Miller bend. But what he lacks maybe of, like if
33:07
Speaker 1: those guys are at ten and he's at like an eight,
33:10
Speaker 1: he makes up for of, like he never taking a playoff.
33:13
Speaker 1: Someone in the NFL this year sent me a clip
33:16
Speaker 1: late in the season the Raiders were terrible. They're playing
33:19
Speaker 1: the Texans, who have won a bunch of games straight
33:22
Speaker 1: and one of the hottest teams in the league. Max
33:24
Speaker 1: played that game like someone told him, this is a
33:27
Speaker 1: last football game you'll ever play in your life. And
33:30
Speaker 1: I was texting with Andy Reid a couple of weeks
33:32
Speaker 1: ago when I was asking him to come on the
33:34
Speaker 1: podcast at the Combine, and then he told me he
33:36
Speaker 1: had knee surgery wasn't gonna be there. When we started texting,
33:39
Speaker 1: I just said, what do you think about He loves
33:41
Speaker 1: Max Crosby just like every coach in the league. I
33:44
Speaker 1: think if you went around, especially to offensive coaches, the
33:47
Speaker 1: first guy and obviously the Raiders would never trade Max
33:51
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. But my point of saying that is
33:54
Speaker 1: the reverence these coaches have for Max Crosby couldn't be
33:58
Speaker 1: any higher, the respect in the way he approaches the game.
34:02
Speaker 1: And because think about coaches, they spend ninety to one
34:05
Speaker 1: hundred hours a week. They have no lives. Mike McDonald
34:07
Speaker 1: says he sees his kid for thirty minutes on a Thursday,
34:10
Speaker 1: so they're just all football. And you see this guy
34:14
Speaker 1: who just is on a shit team for years disastrous situation.
34:18
Speaker 1: Every single year he's got a new coach and new
34:20
Speaker 1: coordinator and he's just playing like his life depends on it.
34:24
Speaker 1: When all any coach wants back to high school, let
34:27
Speaker 1: alone the NFL, especially the good ones, guys that really
34:30
Speaker 1: give a shit. And the number one thing you'd say
34:32
Speaker 1: about Max Crosby, I just don't think he could give
34:35
Speaker 1: a shit anymore. Like his care level is like one
34:39
Speaker 1: hundred out of one hundred. And obviously his production and
34:42
Speaker 1: his play speak for itself. So I've been saying this
34:46
Speaker 1: for a while. I saw Albert Briers say today that
34:49
Speaker 1: more than a quarter of the league is gonna want
34:54
Speaker 1: or be very interested in Max, if not more. Well,
34:58
Speaker 1: how does a price go from hey, a first, a third,
35:01
Speaker 1: and a player too? All of a sudden, we got
35:03
Speaker 1: multiple ones for Max Crosby. When you have people bidding
35:06
Speaker 1: against themselves, it's just basic, you know, it's a basic
35:10
Speaker 1: economic transaction. If I threw out a car for fifty grand,
35:14
Speaker 1: and one person is willing to pay me forty grand.
35:17
Speaker 1: If I want to sell the car, I'm gonna get
35:18
Speaker 1: forty grand. But at that same car for fifty grand.
35:21
Speaker 1: If I have seven people standing there and three of
35:25
Speaker 1: them are desperate to get that car. Maybe I could
35:27
Speaker 1: end up getting sixty grand for the car. So if
35:29
Speaker 1: you got people lined up to trade for him, you
35:32
Speaker 1: can start playing them off each other. And it's pretty
35:35
Speaker 1: rare that you get in these situations. Like Trent McDuffie
35:38
Speaker 1: on the open market. His market was probably a little unique,
35:43
Speaker 1: right there. Weren't that many teams lined up to give
35:45
Speaker 1: a first and a third round pick for Trent McDuffie
35:47
Speaker 1: and then pay him however much money these teams. Think
35:51
Speaker 1: of the teams that are interested in Max Crosby, the Rams,
35:55
Speaker 1: the Niners, the Bears, the Lions, the Eagle, I'm sure
36:01
Speaker 1: the Ravens Tampa, Well you start bidding, Hey, they've offered
36:06
Speaker 1: me a one and a three. This happened. I remember
36:08
Speaker 1: when the forty nine ers mid season traded for Christian McCaffrey.
36:10
Speaker 1: There were two teams willing to trade for Originally the
36:13
Speaker 1: Rams offered a two and a four, or maybe it
36:16
Speaker 1: was a three and a four. So you know what
36:18
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers had to do. They had to
36:19
Speaker 1: offer a two, a three and a four, and the
36:22
Speaker 1: Rams are like, that's a little rich for our taste.
36:24
Speaker 1: So what happened. The Niners got them, they had to
36:26
Speaker 1: pay more than the rams. Well, and that was just
36:29
Speaker 1: two teams. So when you have let's just say it
36:32
Speaker 1: comes down to let's say ten teams initially are talking,
36:37
Speaker 1: and then as the price kind of gets established, half
36:40
Speaker 1: of them drop out, and then when you really coming
36:42
Speaker 1: down the stretch you get three teams that are very interested.
36:46
Speaker 1: I just don't see how you don't get multiple ones
36:48
Speaker 1: for Max Crossby, not when there's a bidding process, which
36:51
Speaker 1: they're clearly is going to be in this situation. The
36:54
Speaker 1: other part of that story was the Alex Guerrero Tom
36:59
Speaker 1: Brady's guy influence in the building. And I don't never
37:04
Speaker 1: met Alex. I can't speak to it. Clearly, he enabled
37:08
Speaker 1: Tom to play till he was like forty five, and
37:10
Speaker 1: he probably could have kept planned, so I can't argue
37:13
Speaker 1: that he doesn't know what he's doing. I do think
37:17
Speaker 1: anytime you get into a situation where someone is viewed
37:22
Speaker 1: as like, I don't even want to say a tattletale,
37:25
Speaker 1: but just is this guy if I say the wrong
37:29
Speaker 1: thing in front of him, will it get back? One time?
37:32
Speaker 1: In radio, I'll give you an example. You know, in radio,
37:36
Speaker 1: you have all these different program directors, right, so if
37:39
Speaker 1: you're at a station, or if you're in a conglomerate
37:42
Speaker 1: and they got six stations, when you go to the office,
37:46
Speaker 1: there's the program director for the rock station, there's one
37:48
Speaker 1: for the conservative news station, there's one for the country station,
37:53
Speaker 1: there's one for the sports station. And they're all kind
37:55
Speaker 1: of together, and you get to know them all. And
37:57
Speaker 1: we have this new program director for R station, and
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Speaker 1: he's the biggest bozo idiot I've ever been around in
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Speaker 1: my entire professional life. I mean, I got dumber every
38:07
Speaker 1: day that I was around the guy. I mean, it
38:09
Speaker 1: was It's an experience that I will never forget. If
38:12
Speaker 1: you remember Howard Stern used to call his program director
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Speaker 1: pig vomit that we used to have a We used
38:19
Speaker 1: to call him vegetable lasagna. You can google that. In
38:22
Speaker 1: the Seinfeld episode, this guy was just a moron. I mean,
38:25
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, like this is my life. And I
38:28
Speaker 1: remember badmouthing him to another program director, but I didn't
38:32
Speaker 1: realize that like that guy immediately went and told him
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Speaker 1: what I said, but I didn't realize the connection. It
38:39
Speaker 1: turns out that they were golfing buddies in this situation,
38:43
Speaker 1: like all the players know that is Tom's guy, and
38:47
Speaker 1: my only issue like I don't, I don't. If I
38:48
Speaker 1: was Tom, I'd fucking own this team too. If I
38:51
Speaker 1: was Tom, I'd live in Florida and play at Baker's
38:53
Speaker 1: Bay and hang out at Grove twenty three with MJ
38:55
Speaker 1: and live that life. It so I just build one
38:57
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar compound. Don't blame at all, do exactly
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. But if you want to kind of
39:03
Speaker 1: run the football thing, and this is what it makes
39:04
Speaker 1: it hard. Like even in that article, like Max likes
39:07
Speaker 1: John Spytech, how could you not? John spy Tech is
39:10
Speaker 1: very impressive. John Spitik's a stud, Tom's stud. But you
39:13
Speaker 1: can't be in on football and making decisions if you're
39:16
Speaker 1: not around because there's just like a bunker mentality. And
39:21
Speaker 1: I listen, I've never been in the military, but I've
39:24
Speaker 1: read enough military books. My dad was in it, heard
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Speaker 1: him talk. You kind of become bonded with the guy
39:29
Speaker 1: next to you because you're just fighting the good fight, right,
39:32
Speaker 1: whether it's basic training, whether it's just when you you know,
39:35
Speaker 1: fly around the world doing whatever you're doing, and there's
39:39
Speaker 1: an element to that with football because you're just always together.
39:43
Speaker 1: You spend so much time together. It's like, why is
39:47
Speaker 1: your relationship with your brothers and sisters can change you
39:52
Speaker 1: get a little older for where things happen. For the
39:54
Speaker 1: most part, ideally you have a good relationship with them
39:56
Speaker 1: as you get older. Why because even if one's older
39:59
Speaker 1: you by a couple of years, you spend a lot
40:01
Speaker 1: of time together in your formative years when you were young, right,
40:05
Speaker 1: And in football is the same thing. It's why these
40:06
Speaker 1: guys are bonded for life because even if you only
40:09
Speaker 1: play together for three or four years, the amount of
40:12
Speaker 1: hours you spend is more than you would spend in
40:14
Speaker 1: that same period of time, like with your significant other.
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Speaker 1: And part of football is John Elway did this, Hey,
40:19
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the GM. And being the GM is
40:21
Speaker 1: different being a minority owner. But John Alway moved to
40:25
Speaker 1: Denver or I guess he might have been already living there,
40:27
Speaker 1: but he was in the office every day. He was
40:29
Speaker 1: a part of the team. Right, So if you're gonna
40:32
Speaker 1: do that, like your presence being around really matters. And
40:36
Speaker 1: I listen, I do think if Tom's right now, is
40:40
Speaker 1: trying to have his cake and eat it too, which
40:43
Speaker 1: is under I think a lot of us would in
40:45
Speaker 1: his spot. I do think one day he will, if
40:48
Speaker 1: he's truly gonna play this role and kind of be
40:52
Speaker 1: what Mark Davis has done seated power to him. I
40:55
Speaker 1: do think it would help to be in the facility more.
40:58
Speaker 1: I really do, because the Guerrero thing. I think it's
41:02
Speaker 1: understandable to go. Yeah, players a little uncomfortable because they
41:06
Speaker 1: know if they say the wrong thing, it just goes
41:07
Speaker 1: back up the chain. And it's one thing. Hey, if
41:10
Speaker 1: I say something wrong to my GM or my coach,
41:12
Speaker 1: like I'm with him every day, we can discuss it.
41:14
Speaker 1: I've seen it for years, like with the forty nine
41:17
Speaker 1: ers when deebo would ask for trays and Kyle's like,
41:20
Speaker 1: I fucking I've been around Deebou every day for five years.
41:23
Speaker 1: So or Trent, I've known him for fifteen years. Yeah,
41:26
Speaker 1: it's business, but our relationship we're gonna be okay, We'll
41:29
Speaker 1: talk like grown men. We know each other really well.
41:34
Speaker 1: How did well do the players on the Raiders know
41:36
Speaker 1: Tom Brady? How could they know him that well? He's
41:38
Speaker 1: never around. So I think that it's just a weird
41:43
Speaker 1: dynamic that they're battling, which I've always commended Mark Davis,
41:48
Speaker 1: like there are medaling owners like Jerry, who's obviously always
41:52
Speaker 1: around the Cowboys, but it's always hit about him. He's
41:55
Speaker 1: making the moves, he's doing whatever. Mark Daves like, Listen,
41:59
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be my dad. I'm not Al Davis.
42:01
Speaker 1: I don't want to pick the players. I don't want
42:03
Speaker 1: to run the draft meetings. I want my This is
42:06
Speaker 1: why he gave John gruen On a hundred million dollars.
42:08
Speaker 1: Is why you paid Josh McDaniel's a bunch of money.
42:11
Speaker 1: It's why he went to Tom Brady and says, I
42:13
Speaker 1: want you to own some of this so you can
42:15
Speaker 1: run part of it. I think his heart was in
42:17
Speaker 1: the right place, but I think in a perfect world,
42:18
Speaker 1: even markets, I wish he was around more right to
42:21
Speaker 1: really kind of solidify and get the back of my
42:24
Speaker 1: coach and GM and the kind of the the heart
42:27
Speaker 1: and soul of the facility. It's just difficult when you're
42:30
Speaker 1: when you're gone, you know, it's be no different. As
42:33
Speaker 1: a parent, I see some of these guys, if you
42:35
Speaker 1: got like six or seven kids, some of these players
42:37
Speaker 1: like six or seven kids with like five different women, like,
42:40
Speaker 1: you're just you're never gonna see these kids. How the
42:42
Speaker 1: fuck are you gonna raise these guys? It's impossible, you know,
42:44
Speaker 1: you're just out of side, out of mind, show up
42:46
Speaker 1: sometimes and then FaceTime like I ain't gonna work. You know,
42:51
Speaker 1: fucking if my dad would have never been around, I
42:53
Speaker 1: would have gotten so much goddamn trouble. When that comment came, well,
42:57
Speaker 1: your dad's coming home, I was like, buckle up, boy,
43:02
Speaker 1: and I listen. I'm not saying that Brady has to
43:04
Speaker 1: be like the you know, the Belichick force of being
43:08
Speaker 1: the guy dropping the hammer, but I do think his
43:10
Speaker 1: presence would go a long way of just being around,
43:14
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like that's gonna happen anytime soon.
43:16
Speaker 1: I don't really have much say on the Stefan Diggs situation.
43:20
Speaker 1: My overall take, I do think there was just too
43:23
Speaker 1: much noise because it does feel like verybel liked him,
43:25
Speaker 1: and I know the playing time he has some big
43:27
Speaker 1: game for him. Sometimes he wouldn't play. He obviously made
43:31
Speaker 1: some huge moments for them throughout the course of the season.
43:34
Speaker 1: I just think the off the field stuff throughout the
43:36
Speaker 1: course was just it ain't worth it, and Mike is
43:40
Speaker 1: much more personable than Bill, but I think they're cut
43:43
Speaker 1: from the same cloth of like, yeah, this is this
43:45
Speaker 1: is not worth the headache. And last but not least,
44:01
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz TODA eighty nine passed away and I was
44:05
Speaker 1: born in nineteen eighty four. He became the head coach
44:07
Speaker 1: I think in eighty six. I don't really remember Lou
44:10
Speaker 1: Holtz maybe right at the end being the head coach
44:12
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. I remember, actually little Lou Holtz being
44:15
Speaker 1: the head coach of South Carolina and obviously a media
44:18
Speaker 1: figure who I think he's one of the rare guys
44:23
Speaker 1: you know that John Madden, John Gruden, you know, just
44:27
Speaker 1: guys that are just all time football guys that just
44:30
Speaker 1: the love they had for football was just something that
44:34
Speaker 1: you can't fake. Who was I talking to this about
44:36
Speaker 1: at the combine? You can't someone that had worked with
44:41
Speaker 1: John Gruden. It's like you can't fake what he brings
44:44
Speaker 1: to the table, you know, like his personality, the way
44:47
Speaker 1: he is. Derek mentioned it. I was never round John Madden,
44:51
Speaker 1: but he's just these guys are one of once. Lou
44:53
Speaker 1: Holtz was a one of one. Now obviously the lisp.
44:56
Speaker 1: He was a tiny little guy and he swung a
44:59
Speaker 1: bit stick. And football has never been more popular. The
45:04
Speaker 1: sport has never made more money. It's never been more
45:07
Speaker 1: important to the cultural fabric of society, right down from
45:12
Speaker 1: high school to college to the pros. And there are
45:15
Speaker 1: guys back in the day that this and the one
45:18
Speaker 1: thing with football it used to be like this. In basketball,
45:21
Speaker 1: it's less important now, Like I couldn't point the Oka
45:24
Speaker 1: See coach out of the lineup. I have no fucking
45:26
Speaker 1: clue who the Spurs coach is now that they used
45:29
Speaker 1: to really matter, you know, Phil Jackson's pat Riley types
45:31
Speaker 1: does feel like that's kind of coming to an end. Baseball,
45:34
Speaker 1: I mean managers making like eight hundred k. I mean
45:36
Speaker 1: the running back coach at Florida makes eight hundred k.
45:39
Speaker 1: So it shows you the financial you get what you
45:41
Speaker 1: pay for, Like the GM's run the sport. In football,
45:44
Speaker 1: the coaches have always mattered and they still really matter,
45:48
Speaker 1: and there are certain individuals in that spot that just
45:51
Speaker 1: kind of break through. And the amount of money and
45:56
Speaker 1: notoriety and popularity now that comes with being a football
45:59
Speaker 1: coach in college or the pros has It's never been
46:04
Speaker 1: like this, it's never been bigger. But the sport was
46:08
Speaker 1: built on the backs of guys like Lou Holtz. Because
46:12
Speaker 1: one he's just you hear him talk, you know exactly
46:16
Speaker 1: who it is. Like you close your eyes. I could
46:19
Speaker 1: put in your phone into your ear and I could
46:22
Speaker 1: play you a ten second sound bite and I'd say,
46:25
Speaker 1: who said that? And whether you're twenty five and you
46:28
Speaker 1: fall football and definitely older than thirty to eighty years old,
46:32
Speaker 1: you would know exactly that is Lou Holtz. And I
46:35
Speaker 1: obviously he had been sick. He's old. I mean he's
46:37
Speaker 1: eighty nine years old. But I think he's one of
46:42
Speaker 1: the most important figures in the history of the sport
46:45
Speaker 1: when you just factor in the personality. He went one
46:47
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty and two at Notre Dame, and the
46:50
Speaker 1: Notre Dame he took over was not like the Notre
46:53
Speaker 1: Dame Marcus Freeman took over when Brian Kelly left. We
46:55
Speaker 1: can agree Brian Kelly's an asshole and mailed the n
46:58
Speaker 1: at LSU. He did a really good job at Notre
47:00
Speaker 1: he had not only had them relevant, like they were
47:02
Speaker 1: one of the better programs in the country. And Marcus
47:04
Speaker 1: Freeman it looks like it's taken to the next level.
47:06
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz took over a disaster and within a couple
47:09
Speaker 1: of years they won the national championship again. He won
47:12
Speaker 1: over seventy percent of his games, and even he went
47:15
Speaker 1: to South Carolina, who was in shambles at the time,
47:17
Speaker 1: within a couple of years they went nine to three.
47:20
Speaker 1: And I just think that it's a sad day for football,
47:25
Speaker 1: but I also think it's a day for football where
47:27
Speaker 1: you can smile because we wouldn't be here. You know.
47:30
Speaker 1: There are these clips going around some of the legendary
47:34
Speaker 1: games and the thirty for thirty was Notre Dame against Miami, right,
47:37
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame playing these teams back in the eighties.
47:41
Speaker 1: Some of these historic players like Rocket Ishmael, Jerome Bettis,
47:46
Speaker 1: some of these guys that he had and they were
47:48
Speaker 1: just I can't speak to what they were way back
47:52
Speaker 1: in the day, like Joe Montana Route. They've always been
47:54
Speaker 1: a huge brand, but there's a reason that they have.
47:58
Speaker 1: They don't join a conference as a ball program and
48:01
Speaker 1: just get a massive deal from NBC because if Jerry
48:04
Speaker 1: Jones could do the same, he would and he would
48:07
Speaker 1: get an enormous amount of money, and he would do
48:09
Speaker 1: enormous television ratings. That's exactly what Notre dame does and
48:13
Speaker 1: a huge part of Notre Dame's lore and popularity and passion.
48:19
Speaker 1: Even long after Lou Holtz was done coaching Notre Dame,
48:23
Speaker 1: it felt the passion and love he had for that
48:26
Speaker 1: program was like part of him. It was deep in
48:30
Speaker 1: his soul. And I watched some of the day that
48:33
Speaker 1: he got the job in Minnesota in like nineteen eighty four,
48:36
Speaker 1: and within a couple of years he had turned around
48:38
Speaker 1: that program and he had a clause in there because
48:40
Speaker 1: it was different times, playoffs didn't exist, that if they
48:44
Speaker 1: made a bowl game, because you had to accept a
48:46
Speaker 1: bull offer, he could bolt for one school and one
48:49
Speaker 1: school only. He would only leave the program if one
48:52
Speaker 1: school called, and that was Notre Dame. And within a
48:55
Speaker 1: couple of years, Notre Dame called and I think he
48:58
Speaker 1: was the coach. Within two days, They's offer him job.
49:01
Speaker 1: And obviously the rest speaks for itself, and I would
49:03
Speaker 1: imagine he became you know, definitely in the nineties and
49:06
Speaker 1: two thousands. I mean, he's one of the most famous
49:08
Speaker 1: football guys in America, and it's just a sad day,
49:11
Speaker 1: and I would imagine the respect being played by his
49:14
Speaker 1: former players the football community. He's just a unique character
49:20
Speaker 1: and one thing sports is always going to need because
49:23
Speaker 1: this is entertainment. Our characters are people to entertain. And
49:29
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz was a great football coach and he was
49:31
Speaker 1: also a great entertainer. And I guess we'll end on that.
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