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  Speaker 1: What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
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  Speaker 1: another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
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  Speaker 1: as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
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  Speaker 1: the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry, though, I got you new episodes coming your
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  Speaker 1: way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite interviews from season one. This week, I'm bringing
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  Speaker 1: you the heart and soul of the Saints defense linebacker extraordinaire,
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  Speaker 1: the man on a mission, none other than my guy,
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  Speaker 1: linebacker d Mario Davis.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you tapping in this Off the Edge with
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: I get to bring to you my guy, my dog,
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  Speaker 1: probably probably my ace on the team this year. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna talk to somebody, it's gonna be this dude.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm gonna need you know, if I need help,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be this guy. And if he needs to
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  Speaker 1: come talk to my d line.
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  Speaker 2: He can't talk to me.
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  Speaker 1: There's an open line of communication with my guy Tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: Davis All Pro, five time All Pro tomorrow. Like, let's
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  Speaker 1: not be light on that five time All pro only
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  Speaker 1: got one pro bo, which is not adding up like
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  Speaker 1: the talent in the way that Tomorrow Davis's name holds.
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  Speaker 2: In the NFL. Is still only one pro bo so far,
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  Speaker 2: maybe two this maybe two this year. But like, for
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  Speaker 2: sure he should be.
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  Speaker 1: A multiple, multiple time pro bowler. He's a multiple multiple
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  Speaker 1: All Pro. Double D appreciates you for tapping in my God, my.
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  Speaker 3: God, actually having me all man then is all mine? Man.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's just let's talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: You and you keep up to date, like if anybody
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  Speaker 1: keeps up to date with the Saints and what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in the NFL, it's you like a student of
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  Speaker 1: the game, a master of a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about current Evince, you're usually
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  Speaker 2: up to par. Since you've heard you've heard the news.
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  Speaker 1: We've had some we've had some coaches go, how you
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  Speaker 1: feeling like it's all off of the side, But a
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  Speaker 1: couple of them go, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's the business. It's the business of
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  Speaker 4: the game. You know, it's tough because it's a reminder
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  Speaker 4: that we dropped the ball as a whole, Like what
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  Speaker 4: you want to happen is to have success, and everybody's
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  Speaker 4: getting promoted, which we've seen have success. Other guys go
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  Speaker 4: get big time jobs and now they win and playoff games.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you want to be. You want to be
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  Speaker 3: in a sweet spot.
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  Speaker 4: Guys getting contracts, guys uh, you know, going getting resigned,
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  Speaker 4: Guys going to other teams getting getting paid, which has
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  Speaker 4: been our experience in the past. But when you have
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  Speaker 4: an off season like this because of multiple years not
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  Speaker 4: getting it done, and now there's man, it's mandatory that
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  Speaker 4: something has to change, and who.
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  Speaker 3: Is that going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Man, it's gonna look different on the roster, from the
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  Speaker 4: player's side, it's gonna look different from the coaching side.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just a reminder that we dropped the ball
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  Speaker 4: as a whole. I mean, at any point when you
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  Speaker 4: don't get it done, somebody's gonna be the one that
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  Speaker 4: has to follow on the sword to beat the scapegoat.
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  Speaker 4: And and and we're seeing that it's happening. Uh. I
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  Speaker 4: think this is the beginning of that attempt to make
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  Speaker 4: a change, or that attempt to something has to be done.
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  Speaker 4: And it's unfortunate, you know, like uh, you know, Pete
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  Speaker 4: Bob Cody, my guy.
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  Speaker 2: Joel Thomas went to the Giants John Fire, but just
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  Speaker 2: like just like lateral movement and I'm not even thinking
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  Speaker 2: it was like.
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  Speaker 1: Going to like let's let's keep that a b you know,
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  Speaker 1: like when when the officer guys go, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: had I was like.
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  Speaker 2: What I said, what did Bob do? What Bobs?
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  Speaker 3: And I think it best friend the peak. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: I guess they felt like he was gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: mold or something.
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  Speaker 1: Man if I got to get rid of Pa, gotta
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  Speaker 1: get rid of his man's Okay, Okay, that makes sense,
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  Speaker 1: all right, man, I'm sorry I had like that was
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  Speaker 1: just off my mind. First question I asked, but this
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  Speaker 1: week off, how are you living?
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  Speaker 2: Man? Like? What's your first week of off season? Off?
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  Speaker 2: Is it off season?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the same every year? How do you process
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  Speaker 1: the end of a season in two off season? Because
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  Speaker 1: that dynamic changes for you tremendously. For me, I just
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  Speaker 1: go back to the crib. You you're back in Nashville.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the crib for me. Now, I think every
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  Speaker 3: year is different.
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  Speaker 4: I traditionally keep the same framework, but it's a season
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  Speaker 4: by season thing just because of the emotional part.
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  Speaker 3: So as for me, like I'll keep training.
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  Speaker 4: I'll stay doing my recovery regiment all the way through
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  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, like I trained specifically so my body
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  Speaker 4: is ready for this time of year. And so it's
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  Speaker 4: like I'm like a I'm like a Ferrari just sitting
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  Speaker 4: in the garage right now, Like I'm meant to be
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  Speaker 4: on the road going fast right now, Like That's what
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  Speaker 4: I'm trained for. And so it's disappointing when we're not
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  Speaker 4: doing it because my body feels fresh. It feels like
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  Speaker 4: like I can go and I'm throwing my kids up.
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  Speaker 3: It ain't like I'm in shutdown mode or tired mode.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm out playing in the snow with my kids
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  Speaker 4: earlier in the day, like running around.
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  Speaker 3: My legs feel fresh, and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like a snow outside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it got like seven eight inches. I heard
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm hot.
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  Speaker 2: Hot seven eight bro. That's disgusting. I do not like that.
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  Speaker 4: And the horrible part is just the dry snow, so
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  Speaker 4: like you can't even make a snowball or a snowman,
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  Speaker 4: like you just pick it up and it just crumbles
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  Speaker 4: in your hands.
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  Speaker 3: Hold. So I keep training all the way through, but
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  Speaker 3: I process different.
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  Speaker 4: So it just depends on like where I'm emotional and
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, this just finished my twelfth season,
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  Speaker 4: thirty just turned thirty five years old, have a comp
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  Speaker 4: a lot in the game, and now it's where where
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  Speaker 4: do I want to go? And so now it's man,
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  Speaker 4: I want to process. My goal is to do forty
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  Speaker 4: five more.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's a goal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you said you And you said that earlier
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  Speaker 1: this year for the first time, and I looked at
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  Speaker 1: you because we've talked about over the years.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, I don't know how many more left? And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, bro, what you mean you're not playing
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  Speaker 2: at such a high level. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: No, Man, the tolld And I was like, oh, all right,
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  Speaker 1: and this year you hit me with the forty five more.
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  Speaker 2: I said, oh, I love to hear You're like, what
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  Speaker 2: brought you to that?
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  Speaker 3: There was a revelation, man, it was a revelation.
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  Speaker 4: Man. I've my favorite player in the NBA is Lebron
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  Speaker 4: of course, and I've tracked my whole life, I mean
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  Speaker 4: his whole career. I've tracked him. I can give you
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  Speaker 4: almost every statistic, every playoff game, Like, uh, but now
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  Speaker 4: I have a reason to track him. Like it was like,
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  Speaker 4: I want to play two years after Lebron finished, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm just so mesmerized by his.
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  Speaker 3: Longevity, his durability.
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  Speaker 4: He's still playing at a high level, though they team
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  Speaker 4: not doing as good as good as my team. Okay, see,
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  Speaker 4: let's make sure we have clarity there. The Lakers beat
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  Speaker 4: us the other night. But I admire his longevity. His
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  Speaker 4: durability is his constant being at the top of his game.
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  Speaker 4: But last year he led the league in past break points.
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  Speaker 4: Who does that at thirty seven thirty eight years old?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, man, if he running and jumping with
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  Speaker 4: these young boys is coming in the league, I don't
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  Speaker 4: have no excuse being I'm four years younger than him.
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  Speaker 4: And so I'm like, well, bron probably gonna play two
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  Speaker 4: more years. We know he want to play with Bronnie,
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  Speaker 4: And so if I say I want to be in
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  Speaker 4: a game two years after he's done, they give me
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  Speaker 4: four to five more years. And so I just just
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  Speaker 4: give me a rapid the chase. When I have a rabbit,
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  Speaker 4: it makes me, it makes me go. And so I
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  Speaker 4: got a goal in mind, and it's just rejuvenated.
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  Speaker 2: I was like I'm not gonna lie to you.
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  Speaker 1: I was been wondering because I said, what so you
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  Speaker 1: not even changed somebody like like lateral in your position?
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  Speaker 1: You like, Nah, I see the greatest of all time
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  Speaker 1: Lebron So I'm gonna outplay. I'm gonna out play his longevity.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy to think about. Forty five years gonna put
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  Speaker 1: you in like year sixteen, seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: I love that for you. I'm gonna watch you. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna watch you know year fifteen.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, bro, come on out.
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  Speaker 1: W I told you this revelation of mine I had
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  Speaker 1: two years ago over here to push you. Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: love you, my boy, God knows, God know you, my
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  Speaker 1: man's It's gonna take. It's gonna take Wifey to say
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  Speaker 1: a lot for me to come back after year fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Because I love I love football. I'm willing to give
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  Speaker 1: it my all. Fifteen is gonna be the mental the
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  Speaker 1: mental hurdle that we'll talk about later. Let's just talk about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not even just the long jezy playing, but
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  Speaker 1: at the high level, you've been playing like you didn't
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  Speaker 1: even hit your first All Pro till you turn third.
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  Speaker 1: You was at the New Orleans Saints, you you know,
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  Speaker 1: you were from the Jets, where you know you would
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  Speaker 1: says a heavy market, you know, one of those those
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  Speaker 1: marketing places that all you have to do is be
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  Speaker 1: semi quasi, you know, explosive, stand out on the field,
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to get your accolade immediately, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to be I don't know, I still don't know how
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  Speaker 1: you went, why or how you went to the Browns
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  Speaker 1: back to the Jets, but then you came to New
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  Speaker 1: Orleans and you've played your best football. It just is
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  Speaker 1: what it is. Five All pros gives you direct access
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  Speaker 1: and it's hard to make All pro, especially in the Saints,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's a hard market to excel it in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the eyes, in terms of the accolades, whatever comes, you
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  Speaker 1: have to earn it.
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  Speaker 2: And you've you've done all of that. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: so five pro but like five all pros, how did
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  Speaker 2: you like, how did you reflect on reaching this milestone?
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  Speaker 2: Because there's I think there's only like four or five
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  Speaker 2: Saints players that ever reached five All pros. In general.
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  Speaker 4: I think it goes back to twenty sixteen me and
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  Speaker 4: a conversation, a conversation that I had with God. I
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  Speaker 4: was ready to retire in twenty sixteen, one year with
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  Speaker 4: the Browns. I feel like, you know, playing with the
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  Speaker 4: Browns when they was the Browns that I was on
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  Speaker 4: and to make anybody want to retire. But man, I
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  Speaker 4: was ready to throw it in. I didn't have I
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  Speaker 4: didn't have the mindset to change greatness no more. My
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  Speaker 4: body was hurting and I went into my PreK clause.
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  Speaker 4: Man I just said, God, I'm done, I'm finished. But
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  Speaker 4: I knew he wasn't done with me yet. So it
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  Speaker 4: was like I was throwing in the tower. It's just like,
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  Speaker 4: if you don't want me to do more, you gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to do it. I was like, God, you got
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  Speaker 4: to rejuven in my mind, you gotta rejuven in my body.
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  Speaker 3: And I literally prayed that.
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  Speaker 4: It was like I heard an audible voice of God
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  Speaker 4: just say like, thank you for throwing in the towel.
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  Speaker 4: I got it from here, and don't forget that you
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  Speaker 4: threw in the town. That's why I tell that story
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  Speaker 4: so often, because I can't. I have to give credit
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  Speaker 4: to what it's due. And slowly, but surely, man, I
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  Speaker 4: just started training different and I found a way to
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  Speaker 4: be more efficient in my game. Now I've been always
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  Speaker 4: been doing the numbers, go back to my second year,
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  Speaker 4: my early years with the Jet, I was always doing
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  Speaker 4: one hundred tackles. I was always doing three to four sacks.
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  Speaker 4: I was doing the numbers, but my game was just sloppy.
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  Speaker 4: Plus I was with the Jets twenty seventeen. After that moment,
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  Speaker 4: I come back, and not only do I got the production,
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  Speaker 4: I got the efficiency the match. So I'm not missing
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  Speaker 4: as many tackles, I'm not getting beat and coverage. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm making my plays in the backfield versus you know,
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  Speaker 4: three or four yards down the line, down the field.
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  Speaker 4: Just cleaning my game up a lot, And that was
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  Speaker 4: probably statistically one of my best seasons. But the same time,
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  Speaker 4: I was with the Jets and nobody saw it. Fast
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  Speaker 4: forward twenty eighteen. I come to the Saints and we
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  Speaker 4: go to the conference championship game. I'm doing the same thing,
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  Speaker 4: but everybody sees it, and now I was welcome to
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  Speaker 4: is welcome to the NFL. Per se I kind of
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  Speaker 4: to me.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL. Welcome to the NFL. Twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because twenty seventeen was really like my rookie season
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  Speaker 4: because after that humbling moment there was a new.
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  Speaker 3: That was a new beast that was away and that
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  Speaker 3: was produce. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen was kind of that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, putting it on display. They might have thought
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen was a fluke, and I did it again
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  Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, and then it happened in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't go as far as the team, but the
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  Speaker 4: production was still there, and I think that's when the
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  Speaker 4: notarioty came.
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  Speaker 3: And since then it just hasn't been no drop off.
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  Speaker 4: I think they thought because it was thirty that there
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  Speaker 4: was going to be drop off, but there wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's because I'm running on something different
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  Speaker 3: and it's the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to just run through like that was
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  Speaker 1: a time where you know, Man of God, I come
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  Speaker 1: to the house and now he got the Man of
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  Speaker 1: God headband on there.
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  Speaker 2: I said, that's how you know it's official when everybody
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  Speaker 2: in the house. Body. When did high Breed come come about? Man?
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  Speaker 4: High Breed probably came in my training in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 4: I believe. So twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, my goal was
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  Speaker 4: just to be the best linebackers in the league. But
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  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, I believe it was just a lot of
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  Speaker 4: linebackers that was in that conversation.
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  Speaker 3: And so it was.
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  Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner, I think Fred was on the scene. Then
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  Speaker 4: between twenty you had guys like Shaq Leonard in that
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  Speaker 4: conversation of David Dead or White started jumping into conversation.
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  Speaker 4: So it was a lot of people. And if you see,
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  Speaker 4: it's always this best linebacker conversation, who's the best linebacker?
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  Speaker 4: And so for me, it became about differentiation and what
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  Speaker 4: is What was differentiation for me was it's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of hybrid players in the league. And a hybrid is
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  Speaker 4: someone who can kind of be a tweiner. Right, you
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  Speaker 4: have a guy who can be a D lineman, but
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  Speaker 4: he can be also outside linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: You have a safety slash nickel or nickel slash corner.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: That Simmons guy that got drafted, Uh that was playing
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  Speaker 4: a Z I think he's a different team now, he.
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  Speaker 2: Was, Ah, yeah, he's he's never at the Giants now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And Uh with the high breed was like,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I can go into a game and
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  Speaker 4: play one position and dominate on all three levels, Like
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  Speaker 4: I feel like they can put me in the game
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  Speaker 4: and safety and I'd be a great box safety. Like
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  Speaker 4: I know all the coverages. I know how to come
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  Speaker 4: up and fit. I can cover one on one on
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  Speaker 4: tight ends or running back that get put out at
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  Speaker 4: number two every now and then, if it's a slide,
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  Speaker 4: I can I can handle that.
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  Speaker 3: At the same time, I can go and play the
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  Speaker 3: defensive line.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I can be on the edge all game,
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  Speaker 4: which they did for us one time we played the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: I just had to sit out there on the edge
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  Speaker 3: and ain't gonna talk about that game.
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  Speaker 2: But I can hold it. It's just cut on the edge.
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  Speaker 2: Now we gotta hold that hold the edge.
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  Speaker 3: I got respect for all positions.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to say that, but that's what I
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  Speaker 4: feel like when I'm saying Highbrey is like I can
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  Speaker 4: truly I'm not like a twer. I can play a
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  Speaker 4: line back. I can play defensive line, and I can play.
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  Speaker 2: Not a high bred high breed like going.
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  Speaker 4: Built different, yes, sir, different, and like a transformer. I'm transformed.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever you need.
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  Speaker 1: But is there any game that this year that you
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  Speaker 1: you saw as like the changing moving for our season?
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm clearly going i'mna say, you know, the Week
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  Speaker 1: three matchup versus the Packers, right, because at that time
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  Speaker 1: we talked about it. I was like, we could take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of Jordan Love like this is he's really a
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  Speaker 1: rookie and you know that to me, we were up
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  Speaker 1: seventeen oh and Lambeau was silent. Could hear me snap fingers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the field to the sidelines,
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  Speaker 1: quiet as and then we end up losing eighteen to seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a game that you look back like, how
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  Speaker 1: do we lose?
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  Speaker 2: Like? How did we do this?
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  Speaker 4: That was a tough game because we were looking to
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  Speaker 4: put it all together, and you just think about like momentum.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a big basketball fan. I feel like this is
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: one of the best sports where you can see momentum change.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: And man, the momentum in that game and the way
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: it suck the air out of our season early on.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: It was like it took us a minute to grapple
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: after that because we had just kind of been being
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: played our best football yet. And then it looked like
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: we had put it together for a half and we
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: were ready to come out the second half, and then
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: DC go down on the first drive. We started reeling
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: as a defense, and they come back and they put
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: some drives together. I mean, we had them shut down
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: in the first half, and then all of a sudden
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: they just get life. And man, you just you weren't
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: expecting a game like that to realize that you gave
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: this game up when when you had it in the back,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: and you kind of not want to let one game
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: turn into two games, you know. But like when I
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: think about the momentum of that, I think about that,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: that kind of reminds me of like Colorado.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody followed Colorado football, but they had.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Kind of had like an up and down season and
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: then they played I think was Stanford. Was this Stanford
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: that they blew out the first half and then they
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: came all the way back and lock and gave that
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: game up.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Might have been I think with Stafford.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: But they started off like four to roh and then
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: They started hot. But then you know, they played.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Uh usc before, but then they played.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Like come back and I think that was the Stanford game.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: So they won one more than they played Stanford. After
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: that game, they never recovered. It didn't seem like they
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: recovered after that, and so I feel like that was
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: kind of us in Green Bay. We got it in parts,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: but we never really got back to that stride until
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: late in the season. I did like the way that
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: we finished. If we could have found that earlier in
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the year.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I could have swore we found that when we when
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: we trounced the Patriots. Now we beat him thirty five.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I said, ah, I said, this is a Bill Belichick
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: led team like this, It don't matter, like you don't
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: do this to Bill Belichick minus the players, because you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: they got Matt juwide on over there, they got the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: other air rusher.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Then you know, running back was running. When the game
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: was alright, I was like, we thirty five zero the Patriots.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And then but it was like, like we said, bro,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: like you know, the inconsistencies of it all, We really
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: didn't catch that consistent. All right, this is what we're
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: gonna do on offense, is going to do on defense.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Until the end. And I was like, well, that's where
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you want to peak anyways, so all we need is
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: a ticket. And then that didn't happen our way.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: But what you're you're a lot more even killed than
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I am, like, you know me, Bro, I'm amped up
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: on on ten for.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Everything, and he was like, yeah, so this is what
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: we got to do during the week.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And then on then on game day you on you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: were on like twelve because you become highbrid you know
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: You go in that thing and I'm like, you wasn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: acting like this Monday through Saturday.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Now I did.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: On the work man, I think we just the word
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: was just inconsistent and we were just too inconsistent this year,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: and it was it was very disappointing because we didn't
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: achieve our goals and we're living in the results of
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: that because of inconsistency. And for me, my process is
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I want to be consistent during the week so that
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I can get the same results on Sunday. And individually
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I felt like I was able to do that, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: it's in vain because collectively we didn't achieve that. And like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: when i'm that's what my reflective time looks like, it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: could I have done more on that collective piece? And
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: that's how I'm approaching the off season to figure out
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: if I can if I can achieve consistency for myself.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: How do I how do I spread that? And I
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: don't think I did a good enough job and and uh.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you come to that revelation, it did it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: start when you were like how did you?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: How did you become so even killed?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Like you've been able to step back and look at
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the game as as a whole. That started off from
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: your jet days, like the younger days when you had
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about it in your locker room. You
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: had what Darrell Reewis back in the gap. You had
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: like original Antonio Commarty, like stone cold Antonio COMMARTI like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Crow Reevers Island.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I had great I had great vets Man.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: It was Reeves was Crow. I had Dave Harris who
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: did ten years, Bart Scott who you see o TV now,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Calvin Pace, the Brickershaw Ferguson on the offensive side, So
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I wasn't just dealing with defensive guys. The Brickershaw Ferguson
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: on the offense, Nick Mango, Nick Folk, who's still kicking now. Man,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I just had a team full of veterans that you
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: can just go and pull information from. I played with
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: DeMont and Laron Landry, uh Man. I had some guys
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: man that he was just learned so much from guys
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: who had had a ton of success. Antonio Holmes was
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: on that team. Mhm uh that you could just pull
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: information from. You can learn a lot of things of
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: what to do. You learn a lot of things and
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: what not to do. But everybody was on my team
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: was at seven eight years and I'm like, dang, they
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the ain't doing it like they passed the threshold.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: It was that fear of man, I just trying to
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: make it three three and three games. Let me just
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: get my my pension, you know. But I was able
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: to pull from them guys, just from recovery, from approach,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: you know, just how to how to stay in the game.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And I still rely on a lot of those baseline principles.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: But I put my own in. I put my own
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: work in, you know, I found my own lane. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: found what works for me, and I do a lot
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: of mental training and I think that's what allows me
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: to be more reflect them. So all throughout the season,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I'm meeting with our team with our team site, which
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I just called my mental performance coach, and we were
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: just talking about the game. We would talk about week
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: to weeks how to find that consistency. And I was
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: finding that consistency was in practice. And I just felt
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: like if I if my routine was working, don't change it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: If it was something that wasn't working, changing and uh,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: that's kind of molde. I stayed in and that's why
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: you seen me even kill. And then when it's game time,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you know, it's all about bringing the warrior out like,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: ain't no flinch, ain't no fear. Let's go, and uh,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: now it's time to bring everything that you to meditate
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: it on out for the public.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Ain't no time to think about it. It's time to go.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: And that's what you saw game day.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I come to bring hands every day. That's practice, that's breakfast,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that's lunch, that's better. I lived my life.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a walkthrough.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And so I'm looking for smoke, looking for smoke. Already
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I go home, look for smoke. I come back, look
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: for smoke.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn how to be even killed.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Won't be like you when I grow up. I'm gonna
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: learn how to I'm gonna learn how to chill out.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I tell you all the time, bro, I asked you
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: that all the time, Like, how does it feel to
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: wake up and be camp Jordan?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I know what I mean.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Now that I got a son who's just like me,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I can see how can be taxing. See take wake
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: up and wake up earlier than I do. Just okay,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: your sir got your swag all over here?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Bro, did you think about our locker room this year?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Just safe defense? Alone?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: We had what three or four veterans over thirty you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: our team had what five or six? Was with me
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you Tyron, Derek Carr, what thirty two, Jimmy Graham thirty five,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: thirty six that I feel like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: They had to help.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: But just mixing in the season vets with just that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that young talent like that had to have helped the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: team for sure. Let's just talk about our defensive side,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: like you talk about it. On every level, there's there's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: again you go to the safeties, there's Tyrant Marsham probably
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just what seven eight, he's still young. But there's you
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: on linebackers, me at D line. So that open line
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: of communication, Bro, it was has always been there, especially
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: during the games or practice whatever it was. I feel
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like that's what I'm I'm looking harping on them like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we have open line of communication, how like, how do
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we take that next step?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But in terms of just talking to younger guys.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Do you find that it's hard to relate to them?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Do you like when you talk about year one, year
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: two type players?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think, man, it is. The great piece
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: is like when you have but at all levels. You
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: got pro bowl at all levels. So when I when
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I look at you on the defensive line, like I know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I don't have to go talk to all the guys
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: on D line. I can take a mission to you
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: and it's gonna go to all the guys. The same
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: thing with Tyron, I don't have to talk.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: To the dbs.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I'll just go to him and he will pass it
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: on whether it's mess for right, ite missed for the game, and.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: So having that is great.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I do think that there's a communication gap that just
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: exists in society because of the way that we learned
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: how to communicate. I'm a iguesst me and you kind
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: of the same boat. We're kind of like a middle generation,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: and so we got pieces of the old school and
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: we're dealing with people who are all the way digitals
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: like dog one of the guys in the locker room.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Wasn't boring when nine eleven happened, like.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Some of the guys, one of the guys, some of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the guys.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Some of the guys, but we having a conversation about it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Like he didn't even know what date it was. No,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: like it's called not eleven. He was like, no, y, yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I haven't put nobody on the spot. But he was like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I said, do you know when not eleven happened? He's like, yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: it was like November right, No, no, no, no, no, no,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you're trying to fix it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: But it was a real conversation and everybody was like yo.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Wow, And it was one of those moments like man,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: we are we're kind of like in a in a
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: time war.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And but I think.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: It's still the onus of the responsibility of figuring out
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: that that communication.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: One of the things that one of my mentors was
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: helping me learn.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: He said, what language was God talking to Adam and
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: even in the garden. And I was like, yo, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that everybody has a language because they're human.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And though it may be a digital.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Language, though it may be h you know, more choppy,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: more emojis, you know what means that you communicate through
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: it's still communication, and to figure out that language is
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: the responsibility of a leader to figure out and you
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: just learn how to reach guys. And that's what I
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: was in my reflective time. I'm looking and I'm like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think I did a good enough job, you know.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: And I think it's.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Easier to be dismissive and just be like, oh, they're
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: a young generation. They'll figure it out or they've.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Got to figure it out now, you know.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: But I think it's it's this game has always been
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: the older guys teach the.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Younger guys what is supposed to look like, right, And
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I think it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Was so much easier to do that when we were
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: younger because you had to be in the meeting rooms.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And now it's a digital age where everybody has iPads,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Microsoft tablets and can watch film, do everything
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: else isolated. And I think that isolation is also causing
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a divide as well.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: That's that's one of the things is socially we communicate different, right,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Like how we grew up. You go to the playground,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: you go to the park, you compete, you go outside.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a it's an unnecessary reference.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Football game going on, throw it up and running. You
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: don't get it how you live, Like when you see
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: the kids, our kids attempting to do when they play
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: football after the game, right, but they don't do that
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: just other than that event, they're not just outside other
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: after that, they're going to organize sports. Like it was
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: so much play that was unorganized.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: There ain't no neighborhood football no more like I know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: ain't know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Just pick up basketball game going on them down on
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the corner at the park. You know, like everything is
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: organized right like you go to you go to a
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: lifetime gym. Now they got they don't move to basketball course,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: they got pickleball games going on.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: And pick aball has a system. It's a system to
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: get in the game. Have you ever been to a
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: pickball game? No, a pick up pick a ball game.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: You don't just go and be like I got next.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You gotta go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: You gotta put your racket in a certain spot. That's
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: how they know. And then they have like pro courts
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: and then they have like the amateur courts, and it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: like it's a system, bro, Like you can't just show
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: up at pickleball and just be like I got nixt
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: like basketball courts, it's all. They've moved the basketball courts
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: out pickaball is what's heeing and so like. But this
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: is this is our society now, right, It's it's much
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: more digital, organized structure versus just random and so like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: what that does is I don't even know how to
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: communicate with you unless it's under a certain format, right,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I only know how to meet you on this app.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I only know how to meet you in a space
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that's organized, like a team meeting is where I'm gonna
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: see you. And but then no team meeting going on
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: while we're still at the building.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: That's that's a that's a mentality, that's a mindset, right,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Whereas what four years ago, five years ago, meetings and
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: meet has been over for four hours, everybody still in
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: the locker room, some people watching, some people Nintendo, some
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: people shooting basketball, but we all just building that chemistry.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: So it's just different.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: And so it's like, Okay, well, how do you reach
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: this generation that's under kind of a different mindset When
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: it comes to camaraderie, You still have to find a
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: way to meet him.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And I think that's that is a struggle.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I haven't haven't found that yet, but it gotta be
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: sound absolutely bro.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I had two rookie d linemen uh
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: this year and one you know, one loves the FaceTime.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You know my lother Ze, Hey, hey bro. I told
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: him when he first got team. I said, hey, if
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you need me FaceTime, if you need like, don't do
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: dumb stuff. If you need me in the middle of night, you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Can call me.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I'll come get you. I'll figure it out whatever needs
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to happen. He's just hey, Bro, I just want to say, man,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, bro, And like, I have never had
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a rookie to call me in the middle night just
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to just to want to talk ball.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: He's the first one. I love. Brian.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I got you know, I got Isaiah Foski
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and Foscar is you know he's a cerebral notre dame
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: guy stuck in his head. You know, I gotta I gotta,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like it's like pulling blood. But like you have to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: figure out who, like you have to figure out their communication,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Like Breeze super easy. You know, like he wants to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: be he wants to be a great football player. You know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: he's absorbing anything. Fosk not saying that he doesn't. He's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: just like you have to go to him, you know, like,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: hey man, come on, this is what we're doing. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: he'll hop in the car immediately for the But them first,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like four weeks, I was trying to figure him out.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I said, hey man, like I got it, Like I don't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting nothing from him, like, hey man, what
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you see on this film?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But if I text him about something, I get
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a paragraph.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this don't make okay, Okay, I'll see what
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I gotta do here, Like you just got It's weird,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: bro to to think that I get digital age, bro
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: like this, you know, watch film, see things differently, talk
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to players like.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It's just trying to figure it out. I'm like, oh man,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: it's such a huge gap.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, at least in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: terms of defensive line, there's always been different cats on
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the D line. You know, you have one that's outgoing,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: one that's not one this so this is just a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: different way to look at it. And how do I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: reach my guy? Well, if he likes to eat, then
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I guess we're eating. And if he likes you know,
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  Speaker 1: if he likes if he likes to watch film, then
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that's how we watch film. Like it's it's time consuming,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it's an effort.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: It's a lot more attactical.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you just helped me with something that
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: communication now is a lot more individualized because society is
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: much more custom Whereas everybody had before had to conform
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  Speaker 4: to society, now society conforms to the consumer.
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  Speaker 3: Right, think about all the algorithms that present themselves.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: It knows how to present itself to you, the shopper,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: versus the customer having to go to the store like
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Black Friday, you got it, you got it if you
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: could get there early enough and.
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  Speaker 3: Get it in.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Everybody there at five.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody had to conform to the marketplace, not a marketplace.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Marketplace conforms to the consumer. And so I think that's
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: the same way when you think about like being a
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: being a teammate, Right, the teammates used to all the
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: teammates conformed to whatever.
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  Speaker 3: The team was on.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Whatever you have a team, you gotta be able to
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: conform to all the individuals, right, So you have to
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: make sure you still hold onto your principles and stuff
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  Speaker 4: that you're not gonna sway on the course.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not just saying like you you just.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Kind of rolling yeah, but I think you have to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: be willing to go and meet individuals where they're at,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: and you gotta that's just what society is, right if
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: you just think about like, you know, look at all
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the guys who come in. They played in college, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: the college didn't conform to them what they do. Hey,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: transporport them.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going transport them.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: And they talented enough, they're gonna they're gonna make it in.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: It ain't got or yeah, for sure.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: And that's not the case for everybody, but for a
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: lot of them. And so that everybody's just used to
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: everything being catered to them, and so like I can
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: see how you dealing.
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  Speaker 3: With different lanes of communication and something that's gonna benefit
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: some is not.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: And I think just being able to communicate a message
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: to them that this is what the league is about,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: this is what it stands on. H I'm conforming to
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: you because I want to give you the principals that's
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: gonna get help me be successful. I'm not conforming to
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: you to think that it's your way because it's game.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's not. I'm not acquiescing. I'm not saying, hey, I'm
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: doing your way.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: No, I'm coming to you so you could take this
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: information better, this how, this is how we're moving on.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: You might just help me a little bit. I feel
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: like I'm acquiescing at times.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, Like when I was a rookie old
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: event would be like, hey, this is how it's getting done.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: You'd be like all right now, like you know, we're
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: talking to them like, hey man, this was, this was,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: what is the tradition, this is.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Why we're doing it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm having to explain myself more, you know, like
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you know, get home, be trying to tell wife you talk.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'm talking out baby, like I'm tied that lead that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: leadership role like it takes it takes something about you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But no, you knows as much as you just helped
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: me there. You know whatever it was, or you've been,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You've been an outstanding teammate yourself, you know, uh, a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: great leader for the linebacker corps. You you talk about
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the pregame speeches even in locker room when it's time.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: You know, uh, you were born.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: You were born for this role as as a man
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of God, and that goes probably hand in hand with
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: being a leader of faith as well, just in terms
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of you know, uh p ao as well as you're
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: not not even your ministry work, but your devoted dream
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: dreamers and the you know, the I almost called a flag,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the seven h seventeen that you got, or the way
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you stacked everything up, but just balancing the demands of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: football and your faith.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: How does the how do you ultimately want to be remembered?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: And I want to be I want to be remembered
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: as a man who tried to as best he could
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: live for something that was greater than himself. Like my
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: legacy has little to do with me than me trying
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: to be a representation of God. It's about how my
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: wife remembers me and is able to tell my story.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: And if you haven't seen Hamilton, bro Hamilton is the
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: greatest play ever, Like I used to be online king
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: I graduated. Hamilton is the best. But it's a little
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: it's a little playing there, a little play on words
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: in there that I'm saying, you know, how my wife
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: is able to remember me, how she's able to tell
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: my story, How my kids the lessons that they get
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: from me, and everything after that is a secondary really
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: you know if I can be a good enough representation
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: of God.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Uh that my.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Kids get it and they want to reflect God in
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: their own lives. Man, it's worth it. It's worth it all.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: It's life well lived.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, you used to talk to you talked about
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Hamilton a few times. This year. You went to go
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: see the person.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we went with New York.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: My daughter, actually, my my ten year old daughter, oldest,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: she was on it, and she she's musically inclined and
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: musically gifted. She memorized the whole I mean, if you
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: listen to these songs, they like little rap songs and.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: They got so many words.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: But she memorized the soundtrack front to back, Like you
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: start playing out any part, pick any song, she gonna
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: start singing it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: That's her jam.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And so we had to go see it. So we
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: went to New York. Not to mention my kids. Was like,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: we're back at home and that's where we were born.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: My oldest too, and uh, we took them to see
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the play. Win saw Hamilton, Win saw Lion King, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I was just blown away. I had always heard about Hamilton,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: but I never went and saw it. But definitely something
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: that it's as many people talking about Hamilton. It's still
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: under it, that's how good it is.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I've seen that on one of
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the apps, so it was like a Hamilton Live music whatever,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and I was like, nah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Do you see I feel like.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, one of the maps had it,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, I just feel like it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: one of the things you have to see in person.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Like if I watch you know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Don't don't somebody your statue.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Definitely, man, you know my sisters spayd only last five
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to ten.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Yourself watching on the app and then try to go
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: see the person. Yeah, definitely, man, definitely say you get
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: a chance to go see the person.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: They just do it a full disservice. I moved so
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: fast being in.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: America and not having a chieved Burder not seeing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Him, Okay, big, big standard.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm like I said, next time in New York,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna look up a lifetime. Is it still going?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It's probably still going, but yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Like I'm I appreciate you tapping in, bro, I'm gonna
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: get you out of here because I know it's getting
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: rather late and with all seventy five kids yours.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Come kidd, I'm kidding. So there you have it. It's
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a wrap. I just want to say a huge thank you.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. I've
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: got a whole locker room full of my favorite interviews
• 39:26
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• 39:27
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• 39:29
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• 39:31
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