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What's Behind the Crackdown On USAID? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host. Adam
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  Speaker 2: Todd Brown joining me as co host this week.
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  Speaker 4: Good to see Adam, Good.
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  Speaker 3: To see you. Also joining us. John Lewis is here.
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  Speaker 5: What's up, y'all? We doing in Knowledge today?
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  Speaker 2: We got a room full of people. We are talking
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  Speaker 2: about some ripped from the headlines ship. We are talking
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  Speaker 2: about us AID.
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  Speaker 4: US AIDS. We're talking about AIDS in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Did you read The River, the seven hundred page
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  Speaker 2: book about the origin of AIDS that I asked you
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  Speaker 2: to read for this podcast.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I listened to the Bruce Springsteen album in
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  Speaker 4: the River. That's pretty close, right.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hungry Heart is about the government spreading AIDS intentionally in Africa.
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  Speaker 3: People don't know that. People don't know that.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know that, and I just listened to the album.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking about USAID and Elon Musk and Trump's
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  Speaker 2: campaign to get rid of USAID. This is a complicated
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  Speaker 2: matter because, on the one hand, fuck Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk and all of their plans and everything they
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  Speaker 2: want to do in life forever. So there's that, But
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  Speaker 2: also USAID kind of sucks and they could stand a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of dismantling.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, we heard a lot and clear, Adam, you love
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  Speaker 4: Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a lot like Cash Patel and the FBI thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, the FBI needs to be reformed. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't think it needs to be reformed in the
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  Speaker 2: way they want to do it, which is to just
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  Speaker 2: make it an even more right wing version of the FBI.
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  Speaker 6: That's what this thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's like if they if they abolish USA, they probably
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  Speaker 5: just going to make something else that's basically the same thing,
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  Speaker 5: just so that Trump can say he has it, like
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  Speaker 5: he wants to get rid of Obamacare so he can
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  Speaker 5: have Trump Care.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one of the things I've read is that they
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  Speaker 2: want to fold USAID into the State Department, which that
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  Speaker 2: leads me to believe, oh, well, you want to keep
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  Speaker 2: the regime change stuff and all of the foreign aid
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  Speaker 2: stuff get rid of that, which that wouldn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 2: But USA it is a complicated outfit. I hadn't ever
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  Speaker 2: really looked into them. That much before this, outside of
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  Speaker 2: all the research I did on Venezuela back when we
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  Speaker 2: were doing the What in the World podcast, and when
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  Speaker 2: during Trump's first term we tried to tople the government
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  Speaker 2: of Venezuela like twice.
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  Speaker 3: I think just in those four years, kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of embarrassing that we couldn't do it ith Venezuela.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even know. It's so small. I don't even
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  Speaker 5: know if I could find a shit on the map.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were struggling financially so bad. Like I
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  Speaker 2: feel like Venezuela is kind of proof that the USAID
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  Speaker 2: type stuff doesn't super duper work. USAID was very much
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  Speaker 2: involved in Venezuela and the things we did in Venezuela,
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  Speaker 2: which John Oliver would have you believe is nothing, which
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  Speaker 2: that's when I quit fucking with John Oliver, Like the
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  Speaker 2: CIA had to have written that. But if you look
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  Speaker 2: into especially the financial stuff we did relating to Venezuela,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it ended up going through NGOs like
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  Speaker 2: USAID and especially USAID, So we should talk about them
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  Speaker 2: and their complicated history. Founded in nineteen sixty one under
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  Speaker 2: the Kennedy administration. I feel like there's a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a misconception of Kennedy in that people think he was
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  Speaker 2: something other than a president of the United States. He
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  Speaker 2: was the president of the United States during the Cold
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  Speaker 2: War or during part of the Cold War, which meant he,
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  Speaker 2: as much as anyone else, hated communism and would do
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  Speaker 2: whatever he had to do to put that shit down.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like we treat Kennedy like he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really that.
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  Speaker 5: He was just like, I mean, when everybody is super
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  Speaker 5: duper racist in your political inness, like I mean, they
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  Speaker 5: deserve to get an education, you're gonna look on people
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  Speaker 5: go to look at you like a king, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was definitely progressive in that way
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  Speaker 2: for sure, and.
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  Speaker 4: He was more of a bit more of a peace
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  Speaker 4: nick than some of the other guys. But yeah, he
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  Speaker 4: still was, like, you know, in charge of the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's bad for the brand to be pro communist.
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  Speaker 2: His administration founded USA in nineteen sixty one, and at
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  Speaker 2: first it was essentially meant to be what the CIA
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be at first, which was just a
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  Speaker 2: clearinghouse where all of the various intelligence agencies of the
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  Speaker 2: country would send their intelligence. The CIA would sort it
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  Speaker 2: out and figure out what to do with it. That
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  Speaker 2: was their initial mission. With USAID. It was the same
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  Speaker 2: thing except with all of the different foreign aid organizations
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  Speaker 2: that fall under the umbrella of the US government. They
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get all of them under one organization, which
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  Speaker 2: would be USAID, and eventually they became something else, whether
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about the CIA or USAID both. But initially
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  Speaker 2: the role of USAID was to fight communism by way
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  Speaker 2: of economic development basically and things of the like, which
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  Speaker 2: that is what I think people assume USAID is still
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  Speaker 2: kind of doing, but more fighting governments that we don't
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  Speaker 2: agree with by way of building schools and building roads
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  Speaker 2: and things. And I think that's accurate. But also, why
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  Speaker 2: can't it be both. Why can't it be, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're here to build roads, but also we're spying on
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  Speaker 2: your shit.
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  Speaker 3: You must know that. It seems like it's more that well,
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  Speaker 3: and it just it'd.
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  Speaker 4: Be such a waste of spying to go build somebody
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  Speaker 4: a road and not spying them a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's the CIA, and I know they're too
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  Speaker 4: good at their jobs to not be doing a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Of that exactly.
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  Speaker 5: You think the US government just about to show up
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  Speaker 5: and have like all good intentions, like come on, this
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  Speaker 5: is twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of the International Monetary Fund,
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  Speaker 2: where they'll go into a country that's struggling and be like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we'll give you money, but you're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to put some austerity measures in place, and they put
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  Speaker 2: those measures in place, and the IMF knows those measures
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  Speaker 2: are maybe going to be the tipping point that causes
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  Speaker 2: people to topple that government and then power vacuum. We
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  Speaker 2: can go in and do whatever we want. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: unlike that USAID. They do good things in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of countries, but it's the United States.
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  Speaker 3: There's always a catch. There's always a fucking catch, and.
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  Speaker 5: That's just politics. This might only make sense in my head.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of like the fucking Saudis and the sports
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  Speaker 5: washing thing. Like Assauities are putting a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 4: They did live go off.
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  Speaker 5: They're putting a bunch of money in boxing, and people
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  Speaker 5: are like.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know these sports Washington, they're doing it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, as opposed to every other country, like
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  Speaker 5: how we just had the Olympics in China not that
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  Speaker 5: long ago or literally everything that America does. You just
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  Speaker 5: used to the propaganda that America does. It's all propaganda,
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  Speaker 5: it's all pr and shit, Like what are y'all talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so things with USAID started to go haywire
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  Speaker 2: almost immediately. In nineteen sixty two, the Kennedy administration wanted
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  Speaker 2: to set up an initiative to coordinate and centralize all
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  Speaker 2: of the US assistants that we were providing to foreign
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  Speaker 2: police departments, so already off to a bad start. That
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  Speaker 2: was called the Office of Public Safety.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to organize our bribes to foreign cops.
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  Speaker 2: That is pretty much spot on what this was, except
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  Speaker 2: also sometimes our bribes was will teach you to interrogate
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  Speaker 2: and torture protesters.
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  Speaker 3: If you want.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a valuable skill.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: And basically we were trying to export US policing to
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  Speaker 2: third world countries as a means of training them to
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  Speaker 2: put down rebellious populations, which, just hearing myself say it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, I wonder where we figured out
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  Speaker 2: how to use the police in that way in this country.
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  Speaker 5: So they were just basically doing cop City, which they're
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  Speaker 5: working on in Atlanta right now, because that's what cop
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  Speaker 5: city is they're getting trained by the what is it,
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  Speaker 5: what is the Israeli police force called idea for some
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  Speaker 5: shit like that?
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  Speaker 6: Is that it? Yeah, sir, Yeah, it's all.
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  Speaker 5: It's all type of crazy shit.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so this being the Cold War, assistance to foreign
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  Speaker 2: police departments mostly meant helped them sniff out communists and
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  Speaker 2: crush dissent. This is a quote from an early memo
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  Speaker 2: about the Office of Public Safety. To maintain internal order,
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  Speaker 2: most governments depend primarily on police, which normally constitute the
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  Speaker 2: first line of defense against subversion and insurgency. They are
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  Speaker 2: also a sensitive point of contact between the government and
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  Speaker 2: its citizenry, close to focal points of unrest and acceptable
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  Speaker 2: keepers of order over a long period of time end quote.
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  Speaker 2: So OPS started as an effort to influence foreign police
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  Speaker 2: departments to fight communism basically, and the problem is figuring
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  Speaker 2: out who was going to implement it and run it.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA, for one, didn't want to just do police training.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to do like some covert shit also, but
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  Speaker 2: they also didn't want to run this program, and it
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  Speaker 2: was eventually decided that USAID would run it. And at
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  Speaker 2: the time the people running USAID really were doing like
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  Speaker 2: economic development stuff and agriculture and things like that, and
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  Speaker 2: they super duper resented having basically cops I think it
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  Speaker 2: was rednecks and spooks. They called them spooks me and
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  Speaker 2: government agents.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's a funny you say that because I'm
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  Speaker 5: working on a video I'm working on I talk about
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  Speaker 5: the book that what the movie and book to Spook
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  Speaker 5: that set by the Door, and it's a play on
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  Speaker 5: both versions to slur in the actual spy.
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  Speaker 2: So the argument the CIA was making was basically, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're doing all this economic development, that's great, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not going to hold if you can't put down insurgents,
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  Speaker 2: like they'll just take over the government and take that
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  Speaker 2: AID whatever you're trying to do, Like, there has to
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  Speaker 2: be a policing component to it. So USAID agree.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't really have.
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  Speaker 2: A choice, but they agreed to take on the Office
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  Speaker 2: of Public Safety and so in no time at all, USAID,
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  Speaker 2: who was supposed to just be doing almost like humanitarian stuff,
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  Speaker 2: now they're doing like intelligence gathering and like it.
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  Speaker 5: Got a little bit too close to socialism, you know,
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  Speaker 5: building roads and planting vegetables and shit. They would hold up.
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  Speaker 2: Now Yeah, yeah, that's probably spot on, and so basically,
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  Speaker 2: under the guise of training police in other countries, they
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  Speaker 2: were also looking for cops who they could refer to
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  Speaker 2: the CIA as potential foreign agents, and then the CIA
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  Speaker 2: would get involved and try to flip them to basically
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  Speaker 2: be an agent of the United States against their own government.
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  Speaker 4: Which that's probably a pretty big day for a guy
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  Speaker 4: who works for a foreign police department. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're just a beat cop in Venezuela and you come
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  Speaker 4: home and you're like, honey, the United States AAA tried
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  Speaker 4: to recruit me to be a foreign agent.
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  Speaker 6: Today called to the big leagues.
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  Speaker 4: That's like one of the best emotions you can get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there had to be money involved. But also
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about a thing that happened in
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  Speaker 2: the twenty tens where you would think, oh, yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: had to be a lot of money involved. Motherfuckers were
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  Speaker 2: getting paid five dollars an hour. But that's for later
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  Speaker 2: on down the road.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's Obama time. That's that's when five dollars was
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  Speaker 4: five dollars.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. We had a better economy.
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  Speaker 2: So the CIA being the CIA, their training of police
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  Speaker 2: really quickly devolves into all right, Well, here's how you
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  Speaker 2: interrogate a motherfucker, and if that's not working, here's how
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  Speaker 2: you torture.
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  Speaker 3: People to get them to say what you want.
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  Speaker 2: And that part is where USAID first got its reputation
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  Speaker 2: as being kind of a menace on the world stage
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  Speaker 2: more than anything, because ops was tied to USAID. They were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, under the same umbrella. And when I say
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  Speaker 2: the CIA was training cops to be torturers and interrogator
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  Speaker 2: in foreign agents, I don't mean like a handful. The
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  Speaker 2: CIA set up a outfit called the International Police Academy,
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  Speaker 2: and this is where they did all the fucking torture
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  Speaker 2: training and all of that. They, through the International Police Academy,
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  Speaker 2: trained around five thousand police students from seventy seven countries.
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  Speaker 3: Over the years.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of fucking torture and interrogation techniques that
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  Speaker 2: they are exporting to mostly underdeveloped or developing countries, Third
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  Speaker 2: world countries we used to call them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It also just kind of goes to show you
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  Speaker 4: that the torture is part of it. You know, you
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  Speaker 4: can't separate that from the regime. Yeah, that's like it's
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  Speaker 4: American as McDonald or apple Pie or McDonald's apple pie.
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  Speaker 4: Now that I think about it, the most American thing
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  Speaker 4: there is is a baseball game or you either McDonald's
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  Speaker 4: apple pie.
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  Speaker 2: I mean maybe back when they used to deep fry it.
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  Speaker 2: Now they bake it like a bunch of fucking liberal snowflakes.
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  Speaker 4: Is this RFK? Are we in a health kick here?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah? We do.
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  Speaker 5: We need to reverse rfkto convince Trump to bring back
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  Speaker 5: the fried hot apple pies.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I got a hot tip for everybody. Popeyes has
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  Speaker 2: a fried apple pie that tastes exactly like the old
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's apple pie.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm tied of Popeye shit. Every time I go there,
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  Speaker 5: they act like the surprised. You want fried chicken?
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  Speaker 6: What? Oh, you gotta trust some spicy al Right, it's
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  Speaker 6: gonna be twenty minutes. What the fuck do you think
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  Speaker 6: you in the.
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  Speaker 5: Black neighborhood, everybody wants spicy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going to Popeyes and not getting spicy,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck are you going to Popeyes for?
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  Speaker 6: Exactly?
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  Speaker 5: Like why you can sale original?
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  Speaker 4: I've also not to I've never been in a p
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they pay the people at Popeyes enough
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  Speaker 4: because I've never been to a Popeyes where they really
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  Speaker 4: like gave a ship where they're like, oh hello, sir,
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  Speaker 4: like write this way, sir.
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  Speaker 5: And it is always a terrible experience every steak you
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  Speaker 5: live in. No matter where you live, Popeye, people do
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  Speaker 5: not give a shit. You go to Kover's or fucking
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  Speaker 5: Chick fil A. They act, they just it's freebjday. They
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  Speaker 5: so happy.
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  Speaker 3: Culver's is so great. Oh I miss it. I miss it.
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  Speaker 2: So the Office of Public Safety, it ends up being
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  Speaker 2: in operation for about twelve years, get shut down in
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  Speaker 2: seventy four, around the same time the Church Committee hearings happens.
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  Speaker 2: When we found out about mk Ultra and all of
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  Speaker 2: the government atrocities that have been happening start coming to light,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when the OPS gets shut down. But USAID
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  Speaker 2: kept being a thing. But once OPS got shut down,
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  Speaker 2: we started hearing about some of the things they did
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  Speaker 2: on the world stage. And one of the places they
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  Speaker 2: were especially active as part of USAID's efforts were in Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the incidents that started kind of turning
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  Speaker 2: public perception against USAID and OPS, this guy named Don
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  Speaker 2: Loose led a group of US Congress members on a
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  Speaker 2: tour of Vietnam's Consan Prison, and that was where political
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  Speaker 2: prisoners on the side of the Vietnam War that we
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  Speaker 2: were fighting for were kept, and they were kept in
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  Speaker 2: tiger cages that were so small that most of the
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  Speaker 2: people held in captivity ended up not being able to
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  Speaker 2: walk again for the rest of their lives. That was
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  Speaker 2: a prison built by ops and USAID they oversaw the
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  Speaker 2: construction of that. And there was even a moment from
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  Speaker 2: when this news broke where a spokesman for USAID was like,
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  Speaker 2: come on, it wasn't that bad. People were like, what,
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  Speaker 2: you can't just render political prisoners unable to walk for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of their lives. That's a violation of warship,
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  Speaker 2: John McCain, cain't put his arms above his head.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 6: Also, that's the true.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to imagine, what the fuck is it tiger cage? Like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't have any unit of meg for that.
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  Speaker 6: Like, tigers are pretty big.
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  Speaker 3: Aren't we, like smaller than most tigers at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was kind of that was that's a great point.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great point, John, tigers are big.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe it's the height it's gotta be, That's what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 5: It's got to be the height because like, what do
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  Speaker 5: they mean it's tiger cage? Like I don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: Also, White, hey, how about this turned the tiger cage
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  Speaker 4: up on its side. Now it's now it's well, I
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  Speaker 4: guess you got to sleep standing up. It's it's harder
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  Speaker 4: to run a Vietnamese prison, I thought.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, right, I'm just imagining usaid going to the cage
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  Speaker 2: store when they're building this fucking prison, and the salesperson
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  Speaker 2: is like, oh, to house people, oh, let me show
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  Speaker 2: you to our human cages, and they're like no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: hear me out tiger cages because fuck these motherfuckers, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's CIA ship.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's probably what's going on at Guantanamo Bay right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely there's I wonder if we'll ever find out
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  Speaker 2: what really, really really happened at Guantanamo Bay. For one thing,
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  Speaker 2: the nine to eleven trials kind of just wrapped up.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: There was just like a plea deal that happened very
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: very like months ago, I believe.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ twenty four years.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: But there's also at least one defendant who got his
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: case thrown out because the CIA tortured him to the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: point that he was no longer competent to stand trial,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: which wow, you gotta wonder if that was the point,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like what was he going to say on the stand
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that they maybe didn't want him to say that They
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: just exactly yeah, So yeah, Guantanamo, they got plenty of
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: room there now, that's for sure.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Even just the stuff that's confirmed is insane, like we
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: made them sit on little pyramids while we played annoying
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: music over and over again, Like that's that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: That is nuts, it is, and it's like that's torture.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: That's what cults do, or it's what the guver does
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: when they're trying to smoke out Manuel Noriega or whoever
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: else we're trying to get out of a building. But
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: so USA, because of all the Vietnam shit, public opinions
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: starts turning, especially toward the OPS. OPS gets shut down,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: but USAID keeps going. And it would be silly to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: assume they just like stopped all the regime change shit
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: because people got mad about Vietnam. But the big issue
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: with USAID now is one, in a lot of ways
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: they act like an intelligence agency still, but also when
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: they do help, it's almost always contingent on something, there's
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: something the US wants if we're in your country offering USAID,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and that's the legitimate criticism of them. We'll get to
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the Elon Musk conspiracy theory thing in a minute, but
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: we'll link to an article on the Nation that points
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: out when Democrats in USA bo we're criticizing Trump and
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Musk for shutting it down, a lot of them accidentally
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: pointed out one of the big flaws, which is that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: we use USAID as leverage on the world stage, like
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it provides a lot of financial aid and training for
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of good causes, but it's still under the
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: umbrella of helping American interests succeed abroad. For example, this
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: is a quote from former USA Director Samantha Power in
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: an op ed on The New York Times. She talked
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: about how the agency has quote generated vast stores of
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: political capital end quote, and they use it to do
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: things like helping American companies enter a new market end quote.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Which does that sound like what people thought USAID was for,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Because I think a lot of people are picturing strictly
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: handed out food to poor people in other countries, but.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: The food is McDonald's and Coca Cola.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: The food is worth Yeah, Like how we sell so
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: much spam in the Pacific Island region gives everyone, Well, it's.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Because we want them to grow up to have very
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: spicy bones that are strong and pink.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: There is an absurd variety of spam available in those countries,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: like thirty or forty different kinds.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Who knew? Who knew?
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there shouldn't be more kinds of spam than black
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: and mild flavors.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: I can't.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: I think I smelled spam and my stomach hurt.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: So had the result. You've never had spam.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: I've never had it either.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I smelled this shit before. It looks I don't know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I don't trust it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: It's just ham. It's just like.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: It's not just ham.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if it was just ham, it would be called
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: ham ham.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: I thought it was supposed to be closer to fish
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: and ham.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it's spices and a really tasty, clear lube kind
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: of substance that aids in getting it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Out of the can. Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Gross.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good, Fried, It's really good Fried.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I don't condone this portion of the program, not at all.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: This episode Top of the Government is fine, but.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: The segment has been brought to you by USAID. You
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: live in another country, eat a lot of spam, all right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Also New Jersey Senator Andy Kim, a Democrat who used
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to work for USA, and said this on Twitter, quote,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: USAID isn't charity. It's a foreign policy tool with bipartisan
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: origins that is crucial in this dangerous global environment. Gutting
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: it meant gutting our ability to compete and keep America safe.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Whenever motherfucker's talking about competing, they're not talking about making
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: sure poor people get vaccinations and things that alike.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Whenever competing to get the infant mortality rate down right?
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: What the fuck?
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: I feel like we need more information competing with what?
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very valid question, because yeah, what if
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: it is, you know, why isn't there in mortality rate lower?
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Like Connor said, yeah, what are we? What's the competition?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace also wrote an article
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: criticizing the quote heartlessness of Trump shutting down USAID that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: included this bit quote. The idea that US foreign aid
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: has been some sort of festival of generous charity disconnected
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: from US interests is laughable. Just look at the list
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of the largest recipients of USAID, it is no coincidence
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: they are almost all security partners or countries of security concern.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: End quote that is from an article from someone defending USAID,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: which that doesn't sound like a defense to me. That
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: sounds like a reason to at least tweak the way
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that outfit is working, maybe not dismantle it entirely, but but.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know what those words meaning. To get
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: to what they means, security party means.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: It means that the only on Instagram, the only fall
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: of chicks, they already fucked your chicks, they want to fuck. Okay,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that's basically what it means. Either we already fucked with
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: your country and now we got influence over you, or
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you're acted up and we want to make sure we
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: can exist some influence over you in the future.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: It's kind of the same thing as like in the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: nineties when we were doing all those wars in fucking
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe and we were like, what genocide, We're fucking
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: fighting a genocide. It's like there's genocides happening all the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: time that we don't fucking fight that we don't do
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: anything about. We intervene in the ones that are threatening
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: our personal interests. As the United States, we're not the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: world police. We just police our own interests. And USAID
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: kinda does the same thing, like they'll come to your country.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It reminds We did a episode recently about a very
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: interesting documentary. It was called Soundtrack to a Coup d'ta,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and it was about how the CIA basically sent jazz
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: musicians to Africa to spy on African leaders and also
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: assassinate Patrise La Mumba under the guise of, well, if
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: we just show them how happy our black musicians are,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: then maybe people will realize we're not that racist and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: that our system is better than communism. Fucking absurd plan.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know in the State Department is like, yeah,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know. What about the healing power of jazz?
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: One of the most fat I would take a whole
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: documentary about this.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I had no idea.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Jazz musician Dizzy Gillespie started his own political party at
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: one point, and he was running for president and his
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: cabinet was going to be all fucking jazz musicians, and
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Miles Davis was going to be the director of the CIA.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: First thing is legalized Heroin baby, they would.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: That's definitely a big jazz musician playing for the platform
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Secretary of the Interior to the Lonius Monk.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But I bring that up because the same thing with usaid,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: where yeah, they'll come to your country and offer you
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: some help, but only if you're willing to like play
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: ball and do what the United States wants.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Tony Soprano, you know.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: I was literally about to say, this is basically the mafia.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: At one point during Patrise Lamumba's struggles, he calls on
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the UN to come to his country to like help
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: put down this unrest that's happening, and the UN is like, yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you're right, we'll be right there to help. And as
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: soon as they get there, the director of the UN
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: basically like they reach out to tse La Mumba and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: are like, all right, we're here to help, but are
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: you going to do this one thing? And he's like no,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and the director of the UN is like, all right, well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: now the UN is there to occupy you country and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: we're going to take you into custody. It's the same
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: thing where we hear about the UN is this benevolent
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: organization that's just out there trying to be a good
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: guy in the face of all this bad in the world.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: They're not. They're not, like, no one is. No one's
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: doing that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I hate to break it to people, but no one's
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: out there trying to be good right now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: It's all kind of just a bit of a chess
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: game issue.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the uplifting message of the conspiracy show. No
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: one's out there trying to be good right now.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: It feels that way here. That's for goddamn sure.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Local community bakesale.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Fuck you, what are them little girls up to?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Clothing drive eat shit.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So a lot of the USA stuff we've been talking
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: about was old timey things. I don't want people to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: think they don't have any modern day shenanigans to their credit.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of the more high profile USAID escapades happened
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in the twenty tens mid twenty tens under Obama. In Cuba,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: for one, USAID tried to launch a Cuban Twitter with
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the stated goal in USA documents of causing unrest and
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: maybe toppling the government. It was called Zumzunao, which is
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: a play on the tweeting noise that the Cuban hummingbird
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: makes and The plan was to build a subscriber base
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: using non controversial content like sports and pop culture, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: then when the base was big enough, start introducing political
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: content meant to inspire smart mobs that would go out
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and gather en mass in public on a moment's notice,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: all with the hope of starting like a Cuban spring
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: kind of thing where the people just naturally uprise and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: overthrow their government, but naturally has a big ass risk
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: next to it, where in the footnotes it says, but
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the US government started a social media network that caused this.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: That's also the kind of shit USAID is getting up to.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And even in defending that, they're like, yeah, we're just
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: like giving people freedom of expression, you know in a
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: country where they don't have it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, but there's more to it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I think they're doing that here, but instead of smart mobs,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: it's dumb mobs. And when stuff really starts popping off
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: and they really mean manipulating this is behind the scenes,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: that's when they really pump out like oh, hey, here's
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: just like Lizzo's torking, you know, like in fucking the
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: High Fruit, those corns are up and porn I could
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: see that. Yeah, this is kind of insane that we
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: had our own TikTok and we're Cuban TikTok.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and recently, like I think that was twenty fourteen
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: something like that. And there was another USAID project in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Cuba that involved sending young Venezuelan, Costa Rican and Peruvian
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: people to Cuba in the hopes of stirring up rebellion
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: of some sort. This was around two thousand and nine.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: The cover they used for that was to set up
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: an HIV prevention workshop. That's why USAID is so complicated,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: because on the surface, people are going to see that
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and go, yeah, USA, They're setting up fucking HIV prevention
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: stuff in Cuba.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: That's all they do.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: They're not spies, and it's like, yeah, but they are,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: but they are sometimes And this is a case where yeah,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: they went there with seemingly good intentions, but it was
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: just to topple the government. And I feel like that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: kind of the perception people all around the world have
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: of the United States, which is when they come to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: your country to help, there's a catch to it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's pretty much everything we do is
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: probably not probably it isn't just specific to USA. It's
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: just yeah, like I said, they're probably just going to
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: if they do get rid of it, they're just going
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: to make a new version of it called Trump eight
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: or some dumb shit or eight X or something.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Oh god, I hope they use the Trump branding, not
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: the ex Elon branding, because somehow that's worse.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: At least if you have ever stayed like in a
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Trump hotel, it's a nice hotel. At least it's a
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: good brand.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you had a fucking Elon app. You can't even
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: search your old sweets.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: So all of this said, none of that should be
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: taken as an endorsement of what Elon Musk and Trump
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: are doing. For one thing, we're talking about how USAID
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: is kind of a force for regime change and imperialism
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: around the country. For what Elon Musk and Trump are
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: doing to be considered good, there would have to be
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: some indication that we're going to stop the imperialism shit,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and that's clearly not the case. It seems like instead
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of that, we're just gonna focus on fucking with people
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: closer to us instead of doing it further away. Now
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: we're talking about taking over Canada and taking over Greenland
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: and taking over the Panama Canal, so we're gonna need
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: resources for that. For all I know, we've got USA.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: This could all be a fucking smoke screen. Maybe USA
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: didn't even get fired. They're all just gonna move to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: fucking Greenland and talk those motherfuckers into being annexed by
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the United States.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Who knows.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: It really just feels like we're living in an episode
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: of The Simpsons, Like this is like I don't even
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: know if the census, like side Jo Bob wouldn't do
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: this shit, Like what do you mean you're trying to
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: take over Canada make it a state? And also do
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: you do you what do you think they just gonna
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: all turn rate? I don't man, Like we were living
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: in the dumbest timeline.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I swear, yeah, I'm sympathetic because taking over Canada was
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: one of my ideas to solve America's problems when I
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: was seven, So you know your profit.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I felt like Michigan should have sold the up to
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Canada for like I don't know, however many millions of
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: dollars and shit up there, but snow that's basically Canada anyway.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're saying we should try to trade him some
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: like janky parts of America, Like, hey, you can have
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Maine and will take like, you know, Ottawa, Rutine. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: don't know if that's a good Is it a good
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: part of Oh?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: How would I know? How would any of us know?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: What are we geography experts?
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've only been in Canada once.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I've been a couple of times, once when I was
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: very young, and the only other time I went to Winnipeg,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: which seems rough.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Detroit is surprisingly most people don't realize how close it is.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Like if you go downtown, you can literally see Canada
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: across it, across the Detroit River. Windsor that's where I went.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I went to Windsor, right across from Detroit.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things I always notice when there's
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like football games that are telecast in Detroit, all the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: landmarks they show because they do that with like in
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: la They'll show you like the Santa Monica Peer and meanwhile,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: that's like an hour from where the game is.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: In Detroit.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: It's always the Fist and then that bridge showing you
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: how to fucking get to a better country if you
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: need to get there quick. Yeah, Like those are the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: only fucking landmarks they show for Detroit that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: In the spirit of Detroit. That I think it was.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Colin O'Brien said, it looks like the Statue of Liberty.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Sprother got into yoga.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Let's google to steer the Detroit. That is actually what
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: it looks like.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: There was a meme that went around a few years ago.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I saw that. It was a picture of someone pointing
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: a gun, and it said what you think Detroit is?
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And then the next one said what Detroit really is?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And it was four pictures and three of them were
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: these like really beautiful Detroit landmarks.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: And then the fourth one was still just the guy
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: point in the gun.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: I mean it's a lot of parts you probably get
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: sucked up at. You gotta know what to do, know
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: where to move.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like anywhere else.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: So I think what's happening more with USA is we're
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: just getting out of the if we give you money
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: for food, will you play by our rules kind of
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: thing and just pivoting more to like a threat based
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: thing where it's like fucking do what we say or
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be consequences of some sort.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Trump will just post that shit on Maine. You know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: he's not gonna like being your DMS, trying to just
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: be like fucking Greenland taking your ass over.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I honestly think that's part of it. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: think the thinking is, we don't need to spend this
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: money trying to get countries to do what we want.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: We can just tell them to do what we want
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: because we're the United States.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, what are we doing with all these carrots?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: We're really more of a stick country.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, just beat the shit out of them with
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: a stick.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And like, I think Ukraine really makes kind of a
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: great example of the kind of racket Trump can run
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: going forward, especially in Europe. Like if he's just letting
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Russia fucking run roughshod over Europe, he can do what
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: he did with Ukraine and so many other places and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: just step in and be like, you know how me
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and that guy get along. If you want this war
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to end, then just give us all your rare earth
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: minerals and the world will be over like that, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: then we can split all that shit with Russia. That's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: so much easier than setting up all these non governmental
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: organizations and funneling CIA black money to him. We're just
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be fucking obvious monsters.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I think that would be so fucked like to split
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: all of your mineral mineral rights with the country you
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: were fighting.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's yeah, that's probably what's gonna happen
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine, though, I mean there's no way Russia's not
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: going to get some of that shit from US.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, it's we're not winning this war enough,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: that's for sure.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And so also there's an NBC News article out there
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: that brings up a point that I found really interesting.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk, until very recently, almost never posted about USAID,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and that all changed on February two. That day, he
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: posted a whole bunch of things about USAID, called him
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a viper's nest of radical left Marxists who hate America,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: called him evil, called them a criminal organization. And that's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: really interesting timing because I think it points to what
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: this is all really about. Timing of those tweets coincides
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: with Marco Rubio taking that trip to El Salvador. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: don't know if people listening are familiar with that, but
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: president of El Salvador, he calls himself the world's coolest dictator,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: had this massive crackdown on crime that actually did work.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Kind of built all these prisons to accommodate it. Marco
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Rubio had a visit with him, and this guy was like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to deport people and you don't have
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: anywhere to send them, send them here. I'm building all
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: these prisons. We can just put them there. And sure enough,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that first flight of Venezuelan deporties went to a prison
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: in El Salvador. I did a solo episode about that guy.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: His name's Naive Bukel, and one of the things I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: brought up. He also has a big beef with USAID,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: but he's way more transparent about what it is and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: why he hates them. He thinks they are part of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: a global money laundering operation that also involves pretty much
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: all of independent media.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: What what do you mean independent media?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly what it sounds like like non corporate media. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: kind of, we're building up to it. He thinks they're
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: part of a global money laundering operation. The reason he
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: thinks that. In February, WikiLeaks published documents showing that USAID
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: was funding over sixty two hundred journalists across seven hundred
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and seven media outlets and two hundred and seventy nine
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: media NGOs all around the world. I mentioned on the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Solo podcast. I know a lot of people will want
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that to be like conspiracy theory talk. That is from
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a Reporters Without Borders article about how the USAID freeze
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: has sent foreign investigative journalism into a tailspin, because yes,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of them were in large part funded by
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: USAID and USAID itself. There's still a medium article out
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: there that you can read where they say the US
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: government is the largest public donor to independent media globally,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and most of that was happening through USAID. The only
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: question is if that's nefarious or not. Was the US
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: really just helping fund independent journalism or were we spreading propaganda?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: And like why not both?
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: You know, I was about to say it's probably both.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, they already control regular media anyway if you
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: want to get interviews, but you talked about it a lot,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: like every so often the story only breaking one of
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: them tabloids or something, and it's actually true because the
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: government was like, yeah, y'all not printing that shit.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: It's one of the easiest ways to corrupt a data
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: set in a meaningful way is just to put some
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: legitimate stuff in there so that all the illegitimate stuff
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, well, you can just refer to your
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: legitimate stuff. Look are you saying that this part is
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: that's totally cool as for fucked up and yeah, or
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: if someone goes to check your work and they accidentally
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: just check some of the stuff that's legitimate, they're like,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, it's all fine, it's all fine. Yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, why wouldn't you actually try to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: fund some real journalism so you could just to spread
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: your property and with more impunity.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And what's really terrifying about this because when Naive Bukel
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: offered to house people we deport, which he's already doing,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: we took him up on that.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: He was also like, hey, you can send some.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: US criminals here too, if you don't have room for
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: him in your jails, which we know are fucking filled
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: to the brim. And what worries me about Elon Musk
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Trump usaid and Naib Bukel is he's known for this
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: big crackdown on gang violence, building all these prisons to
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: accommodate it. He arrested like eighty thousand people, just huge
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: numbers now he's promising to do that for white collar crime,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: and what's money laundering a white collar crime? So what
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: are the chances that when he says I'm gonna build
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: prisons and crack down on white collar crime next, what
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: are the chances he fucking means those journalists that he
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: deems being funded by USAID. He controls enough of the courts,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: at least in his country that he'll absolutely be able
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: to lock up journalists there. Whether Trump and Musk can
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: do it is another question, but that brings us to
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: where it gets even more terrifying, I think, even for
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: someone like me. One of the claims that has started
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: circulating about USAID and independent media is that they fund Politico,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: which is a very left leaning news organization. They've been
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: around forever. The claim is that USAID paid more than
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: eight million dollars to Politico. That's not entirely false, but
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the eight million dollars represents government expenditures to Politico since
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, not exclusively from USAID. USAID has paid to
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Politico around forty four thousand dollars. And what's unnerving about
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: this is when they say US say it is paying money,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and the government is paying money to Politico. Politico runs
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a subscription service that offers like up to the minute
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: news on policy changes. Governments use it, news organizations use it,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and in some cases a log in a single log
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: in costs up to ten thousand dollars. So what's actually
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: happening is government agents are paying for premium content on
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Politico for whatever reason, be it to fucking spy on
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Politico or because they legitimately need the information.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: That's an insane like service. That's like a only fans
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: that only Hillary Clinton wants.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but also twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four eight
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: million dollars just a million dollars a year when you're
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: talking about media company, that's not a lot of money.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially not if you're running a subscription service.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Like there's other media outlets that run the same kind
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: of service, and they're also very expensive. But all that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: means in my mind is, well, they'll go after those
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: media companies next then, because if they can successfully sell
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the idea that oh usaid was funding Politico illegally just
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: because people were subscribing to Politico's content who were connected
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: to the government, they can run that on anyone like
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I don't doubt that there's some fucking government agent. Subscribe
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to my paywall shit to hear all the fun and
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: exciting ways I'm calling Trump a Nazi if any of
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: those motherfuckers work for USAID. Is this eventually going to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: be a thing where I get a letter from the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: government and they're like, hey, couldn't help. But notice there's
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: some people from USAID who are giving you money over
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the years and not sure if you know, but that's
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a crime now, Like sounds crazy, but is it?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like this USAID thing is gonna end
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: up being an inroad to cracking down on journalists because
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: that visit to El Salvador, those WikiLeaks posts about USAID
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: and Elon Musk freaking out about USAID all happened right
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: around the same time. It was when that story about
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: them funding independent journalists popped up on WikiLeaks. That's when
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: all of these authoritarian fucks decided, all right, time to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: go after USAID. I think they're just going to go
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: after journalists and position it as going after USAID things.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: It doesn't make me as scary as because I know
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: how much corporations also control the US, so like Google,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: who owns YouTube doesn't want YouTube becoming fucking rumble, which
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: it would be if they kind of start cracking out
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: on people, you know, posting on left Lane and stuff.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: So they're like, hey, you can slow that down, because
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: they at the end of the day, they the corporations
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: really still control all of this shit, even if Trump
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: is a mad man.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: That is the uncomfortable position we find ourselves in is
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that we sort of have to hope corporate America rises
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: up against Trump because they're kind of the only ones
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: powerful enough to do it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: We have to hope that King Geeedera kills Godzilla and
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: weaken himself so much in the process.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Like it's yeah, if they do it, what are
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they going to replace it with. I also, even the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: thing where he's firing all these USAID people and ordering
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: them to come back to the United States, It's like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you're firing all the people we trained to overthrow governments
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and telling them to come back to the United States.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: He's kind of really helping us out in the log run, Like, yeah,
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: the government, they allow a certain level of freedom. Like
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: I'm working on a video about black revolutionary art and
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: what started to happen in the seventies with the New
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Hollywood movement is you all know about. I think it
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: was in the thirties when they basically were like locking
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: people up for being communists and making movies with yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: you know, Italians living in different neighborhoods. After a while,
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: the government was like, all right, well, well, actually not
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: the government. Hollywood was like, well, we're not making any money.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: So they brought in all of these hippies like Steven
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: Spielberg and Francis for a Coppola, And after a while
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: they were like, let's just fucking let them make movies
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: and that's gonna you know what I'm saying, that's good
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: for capitalism. And then that's when we started getting all
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: of these good movies with the Italians in the movie,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: in the actual movies, fighting for Italian American rights and
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: shit like that. So after a while they were just like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just good to let people have freedom
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: with art and shit.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just a matter of does this administration
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: feel that way? And if they don't, who's gonna stop them?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Like Trump already made himself the head of the Kennedy Center.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: What president fucking does that? And it's just so he like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and so what so fucking Jason Aldeen can play.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Kennedy Center, I don't. I don't know.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: So so we can have, like, you know, a special
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: tribute to fanom of the opera and all the show,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: the kind of shit that he likes.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so yeah, I personally think the USAID
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: thing is about journalists and cracking down on journalism. And
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I would keep your eyes peeled for that talking point
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: to start going around. It's already going around about Politico.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Is was USAID funding Politico? And I mean, if we're
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: sending Venezuelan's to El Salvador, who's to say he won't
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: just throw motherfuckers on a plane to El Salvador and
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: be like fight it out in court, good luck. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: by that I mean journalists, Like he wasn't supposed to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: send the people from Venezuela to El Salvador either. A
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: judge said don't and he was like, yeah, sure thing,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I won't.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: So well, Adam, you forget that Trump has traditionally had
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: glowing things to say about the press.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: That's a good point, a good point.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: It's kind of they're sort of one of his oldest friends.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And yeah, all those media outlets that just immediately gave
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: him money as soon as he came into office, Like
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: what was that bride for? So they didn't get fucking
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: wrapped up in this and sent to a prison in
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: El Salvador.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I did? I did? I honestly the way that Mika
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: and Joe from Morning Joe immediately groveled at his feet
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: when he won it. Do you think that they were
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: worried about being afforded at El salvadoran fucking debtors prisons?
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I mean they did say it was because they were
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: worried about retribution from Trump.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so who knows.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: I just wonder how much any of this we would
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: really have to deal with if they could just have
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: a surgery that actually made your penis bigger. I feel
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: like if we actually could just do that, they would
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: be who want? Who would need the overthrow government? You
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: would just have sex with your wife?
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: There's a really great Yasayer song out there called Blue
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Skies and Dandelions that is an anti Trump song, But
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: that's the whole message behind it is like what can
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: we do to just make you a normal person?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: So you stop? Like what's it you want to take pills,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: like what do you need?
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Like, what is it?
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: He could take some type of brain thing.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: I think he's got a big dick. I think, I
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: think I think it plays the more the people in
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: the USA. But anyway, I think, I don't know.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I think his brain might just be turning the mush.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: And I don't know what the fuck is up with Elon.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: He let fucking Reddit turn him into He didn't act
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: like this ten years ago, or maybe we just didn't
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: know about him. I don't know.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a lot like Aaron Rodgers in that way.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers for years just never even talked publicly, and
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: then once he did, it's like, shut the fuck up,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: go back to not talking.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Dude. God damn, because he was like mister liberal darling
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: during like Obama times, Like he was like mister like
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I fucking loved science.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I remember all the articles, Like when
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I worked at Cracked, people constantly pitched articles like five
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: reasons why Elon Musk is Tony start No, yeah, stop it,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: fucking that guy's cool. Elon Musk is not cool. So
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: do we have any final thoughts on USA? I do,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: honestly think that's what it's about. I think it's about
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: independent journalism, and we're gonna see this whole USA thing
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: shift toward a crackdown on that because Nazis need to
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: do shit like that. Nazis can't just have a like
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: we don't have a free media in the first place here,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Like look at the Press Freedom Index. We are comfortably
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: right in the middle, behind a lot of countries that
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: you think would be way worse. So we're already teetering
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: on the brink.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah I know, yeah, I mean, like like especially if
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: you if you make content on different websites, you already
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: know how to how to self censor yourself. We know
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: with certain stuff we can't say on YouTube if without
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: getting the video ade restricted. But still to an extent,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: like I said, even with all of that, Google well,
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: YouTube is still the second biggest search engine in the
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: world after Google, and Google owns both of them. So,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: like I said, I feel like the money, the corporate
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: companies and the media, to an extent, they're gonna I
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: think they're going to push back a lot because, like
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: I said, they don't want everything to be rumble because
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: then if it's all right wing shit, like, what's the
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: point Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I also feel like corporations will adapt and if it
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: has to be all right wing shit, they'll find ways
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: to make money off that, like they've been. I don't know,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I just I don't want to put my faith in
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: fucking corporations. Like it reminds me of the thing where
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: people were so up in arms that Mark Zuckerberg like
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: immediately acquiesced to Trump and gave him money. It's like
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you thought Mark Zuckerberg was gonna be the fucking resistance.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: In what world?
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, I got a couple. I gotta I gotta
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: set a twins for you to talk.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: To corporations do what the government tells them to do,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Like they do what the government says to do to
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: stay rich and keep making money. And like, I think
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing as like, well, do we really
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: think all these corporations were putting these like diversity programs
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: in place because they're progressive or is it just because
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the fucking government at the time and the general climate
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: among the public was well, that's what you gotta do,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: or we're gonna boycott your shit. And now that Trump's
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: in office and it's like, oh, being nice to black
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: people's illegal now fucking Target, and all these companies are like, yeah,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: you're right, fuck it, no more DEI stuff you.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Rainbow capitalism, yeah they got they got rid of pride,
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: they flags and shit and Target.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking insane how quick that happened. But also
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: they're fucking corporate monsters. Of course it happened.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, and when yeah, when Target was all gay,
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I didn't think that, dude, Like it felt a little
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: instance here, didn't it. Yeah, when you walked into a
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Target and it was like love is love in a
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: rainbow font and it's like you just googled what being
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: gay is.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: But also, I mean, the b Devil's advocated with black folks.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: It is also kind of a what's the word?
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: Like it feels weird to go in the place and
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: see fucking June plate and cups, Like I don't think
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: that's something we need. We don't need a corporate fucking
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Juneteenth gift card and ship like that.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you're gonna hate these Juneteenth cups.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: I got you.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: I want to ask you, how was white Juneteenth the
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: other day?
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: It was good, just a long day of doing nothing.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: You can go out just hiding with hitting my house
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: with the lights off and the windows drawing.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: That's Saint Patrick's Day. For the people that didn't know
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: what I was talking about.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Oh fuck, that is white Juneteenth.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: What do you think I was talking about?
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I just kind of zoned out, and
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: I've thought it was I missed Juneteenth again this year.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: Oh no, I heard I heard the mixed bad and
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: I figured Irish.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah you got it. Yeah, I just I don't. I
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: don't want to out myself here as not being woke,
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: but I don't usually have a Juneteenth party. You should, unfortunately,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: I should just to keep everybody in their toes.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, white Juneteenth is it's Saint Patrick's dade though.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we party. I mean I didn't party. I'm
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: damn near fifty. I'm not gonna give a fuck about
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day and drink whenever the fuck I want,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: hiding me. I don't have an office job. I'll get
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day drunk on a Wednesday.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: It's like four twenty for people like who the fuck
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: over twenty five gets excited for four twenty.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bit sad.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Columbine enthusiasts.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, really, Hitler fans.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hit.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Elon celebrates. So yeah, Nazi shit,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: that's what's going on in this country right now. And
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I think that is our episode. John Connor, thank you
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: both so much for doing the pod. This seems like
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: the most appropriate time to plug some shit. I would
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: just like people to follow me on Blue Sky at
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Adam tie Brown dot Besky dot social that's tied with
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: one D and also lots of new podcasts and things
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: coming up on the network, so keep an eye out
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: And that's all I got. Connor, what do you want
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: to plug?
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Watch my comedy special on YouTube. That's it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: John, Search me on YouTube. That's the best way if
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: you can support And I'm John Lewis on pretty much
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: every social media.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: If you search me on the social media that's not
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: the Nazi ship. I'm there, well, not the old, not
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: the new Nazi ship. I'm on the old I'm on
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: I'm not on the I'm on the old Nazi one
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: that been around before it was Nazi ship. I'm on Twitter,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: but not on.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: The other Nazi shit Facebook and Instagram.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, the.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Ones that I can't even think of, like they got
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: these weird ones.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, these truth Social and shit like that.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that there's some other weird ones. And Ron belying
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: on that bullshit.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Follow me and Connor on truth Social also, I forgot
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: about that we have a joint truth Social account or
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: conspiracy show.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: The only way that we can keep each other honest
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: on the Internet, isn't that right, Adam?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only way we talk outside of podcasts
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: DMS on truth Social, I don't know if they have DMS.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get the fuck out of here. John
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: say goodbye to the Knowledge guys. Connor say goodbye.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Do the knowledge guys.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Goodbye everybody, We love you.