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Author Tom Shanahan: Raye of Light with Forward by Tony Dungy · Motor City Mad Mouth

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  Speaker 1: Good evening here about ay right for a double hitter,
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  Speaker 1: I am, but Tom Shanahan doesn't have to be because
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  Speaker 1: he's on the front end of a double header MotorCity
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  Speaker 1: Mad Mouse Show tonight. Then we have another one tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: but we have the sports and change, which he's agreed
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  Speaker 1: to do at a later date, Right Tommy, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: But meanwhile, welcome to another edition of the MotorCity Man
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  Speaker 1: Mouse Show. My love it, I don't worry, only gets
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  Speaker 1: worse later on the show. Great show lined up today,
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  Speaker 1: we have a two time author joining us on the program.
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  Speaker 1: But Tom Shanahan is known for his work on Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: Night on Edge. So I pick and with our legendary
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  Speaker 1: crew of Marvin, Paul Been True, Steve right, Shall, Melfard Junior,
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  Speaker 1: Candy em Am.
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  Speaker 2: I forgetting anybody I better not.
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  Speaker 1: You got Steve, you got Kennedy, you got Marvin, you
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  Speaker 1: got Ben, you got mel Oh myself, forget about me
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  Speaker 1: one of those people. But Tommy's done an unbelievable job
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  Speaker 1: in the college. I won't even getting interested in the
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  Speaker 1: pros a little bit too. But tonight we're going an
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  Speaker 1: entirely different direction. We got I got a couple of books,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what, we're going to talk about them
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  Speaker 1: as well as some college football. So for those of
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  Speaker 1: you that are tuning in on YouTube, get ready, there's
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  Speaker 1: some visuals. So those of you that are not, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good audios that you can subsequently look
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  Speaker 1: for the videos.
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  Speaker 2: So I hope you can stay with us.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Tommy, let's talk about the first book I'm
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  Speaker 1: out there, called Ray of Light before it is by
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  Speaker 1: Tony Dungeye did how did you get Tony Dungee to
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  Speaker 1: write this? And what's your relationship with him?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's his relationship with Jimmy Ray. Okay, Yeah, So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I have two books, Ray of Light, Jimmy Ray, Duffy Doherty,
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  Speaker 3: The Integration of College Football and the Michigan State's part
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  Speaker 3: Ins nineteen sixty five sixty six. Then my other button
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  Speaker 3: is the right thing to do, the two pioneers of
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  Speaker 3: college football integration in the nineteen sixties. So the first
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  Speaker 3: book A Ray of Light. You know, I grew up
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  Speaker 3: in Michigan, and I always knew about Michigan State, and
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  Speaker 3: I always thought that the story of Duffy Doherty and
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  Speaker 3: the Underground Railroad had never been told properly. And when
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  Speaker 3: I was working in San Diego in my days as
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  Speaker 3: a sports writer, I got to know Jimmy Ray's son,
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Ray the third actually, who at the time was
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  Speaker 3: assistant general manager with the San Diego Chargers. He's now
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  Speaker 3: with the Cleveland Browns. And I ran there by Jimmy,
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy the Third, and I said, can you hook me
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  Speaker 3: up with your dad, because I don't think the true
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  Speaker 3: story has ever been told. And so from there it
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  Speaker 3: was just kind of a snowball effect. I talked to
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Ray and he was eager to have the story told.
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  Speaker 3: And so we're all the other Spartans that are still
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  Speaker 3: alive that he connected me with. And at the time
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  Speaker 3: both Bubba Smith and George Webster had passed on. George
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  Speaker 3: Webster is the greatest Spartan of all time, that's undisputed.
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  Speaker 3: That's both the opinion of Biggie Munn and Duffy Doherty.
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  Speaker 3: He had it's number retired before Bubba Smith. Bubba Smith,
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  Speaker 3: of course, is the most famous of all the Michigan
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  Speaker 3: State Spartans from the underground railroad days.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Addition to his personality, he was in the movie and
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  Speaker 3: industry of the Police Academy movies in Hollywood. He had
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  Speaker 3: the great Miller likee commercials with Dick Buckis. Those were
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  Speaker 3: very popular for a long time. But as I say
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  Speaker 3: in my book, the most significant Underground Railroad passenger was
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Ray. He was the south first black quarterback to
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  Speaker 3: win the national title. And Duffy's fingerprints extend beyond giving
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  Speaker 3: black players an opportunity to play because he also opened
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  Speaker 3: the door to both Sherman Lewis and Jimmy Ray as
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  Speaker 3: black coaches. Both men went on to long NFL careers
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  Speaker 3: and they influenced many other young black coaches. And Tony
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  Speaker 3: Dungee has always considered Jimmy Ray a mentor. And so
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  Speaker 3: when we were looking for somebody to write the forward
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  Speaker 3: I said about I said Tony Dungee, and people are
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  Speaker 3: always asking. I suggested to Jimmy Ray, can we get
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  Speaker 3: Tony Dungee? And people are always asking me, how did
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  Speaker 3: you get Tony Dungee to do it? Jimmy Ray called
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  Speaker 3: up Tony. Tony said yes, and he wrote me something.
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  Speaker 3: I think within a week I had it. And so
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  Speaker 3: that's the level of respect for Jimmy Ray.
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  Speaker 2: So are you in touch with Tony Dungee to this date.
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  Speaker 3: Only through Jimmy Ray.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about Tony Dungee.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Only through Jimmy Ray.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, no, prom Okay, Yeah he.
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  Speaker 3: Changed He changed his email a while back. I used
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  Speaker 3: to trade a few emails with him, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: have his current email. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe one day our pants across.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So what we're gonna do right now, Tommy
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  Speaker 1: is I think you have a clipper too?
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  Speaker 2: Do you want us to play that right now?
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, let me set that up. Let me set
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  Speaker 3: that up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 3: It's been frustrating for me. My books are the most
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  Speaker 3: important and most accurate books about college football integration. College
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  Speaker 3: football integration, unfortunately, has been overtaken by this myth. It's
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  Speaker 3: a complete fairy tale about Bear Bryant in the nineteen
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  Speaker 3: seventy USC Alabama game and Sam Cunningham changing racial attitudes
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  Speaker 3: overnight in the South with one single football game. We
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  Speaker 3: don't do anything in America erase overnight. And the true
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  Speaker 3: story has been the sacrifice the leadership of Michigan State
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  Speaker 3: coach Duffy Doherty with the first fully integrated teams his
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  Speaker 3: underground railroad teams. They traveled a parallel track to the
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  Speaker 3: Civil rights movement. The success they had was sixty five
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  Speaker 3: and sixty six national title teams. Eventually led to Southern
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  Speaker 3: schools keeping their players home instead of letting them go
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  Speaker 3: to Michigan State and other Big ten schools, and college
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  Speaker 3: football integration was pretty much fate accompany by nineteen seventy.
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  Speaker 3: So how did the Smith get started? Well, it was
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  Speaker 3: made up by USC backers who wanted to aggrandize their myth,
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't understand all the progress that had been
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  Speaker 3: made by nineteen seventy. So because the landscape was barren,
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  Speaker 3: there's a big void of these milestones weren't recorded because
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  Speaker 3: of nineteen sixty sports media avoided race. So the things
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  Speaker 3: that Duffy Doherty was doing, the things that Jerry Levias
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  Speaker 3: and sim War mcvain Houston, they weren't getting national attention.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't part of the national discussion. So they made
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  Speaker 3: up this story and they backed in the thing that
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  Speaker 3: Big Night by Sam Cunningham and the rest of the media.
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  Speaker 3: Because of the allure of Bear Bryant's legend, they fell
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  Speaker 3: for it and they've just regurgitated it, but without ever
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  Speaker 3: fact checking it. That's what I did with my books,
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  Speaker 3: and I just kept fighting one whole after another. But
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  Speaker 3: it's tough to gain traction because how do you compete
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  Speaker 3: against Bear Bryant s Myth. Unfortunately, I found a documentary
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  Speaker 3: team led by Phil Hart and Tanya Hart, who are
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  Speaker 3: both Michigan State grads, and Jean Bain, who has written
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  Speaker 3: a lot about college sports and integration, and then Von Regensburger,
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  Speaker 3: who is based in the Denver area and he's produced
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  Speaker 3: documentaries that have aired on Netflix and other streaming networks,
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  Speaker 3: and they love the story for both Michigan State and
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  Speaker 3: what Duffy Doherty's coaches did, one of them being Sunny
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  Speaker 3: Grand Delias at Colorado. So the synopsis of our we're
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  Speaker 3: trying to raise money for this documentary documentary has to
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  Speaker 3: have a champion. So I'm hoping if there's Michigan State
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  Speaker 3: alums out there, investors, backers, Kentucky, Tennessee, Houston, Southern Methodist, Auburn.
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  Speaker 3: Auburn was integrated before Alabama. People don't know that, and
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  Speaker 3: Auburn has been written out of history and wake Forest,
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina and North Carolina State have their own stories
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  Speaker 3: all these areas. We need them to take a look
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  Speaker 3: at this and realize the true story has never been
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  Speaker 3: told and their school is a major part of it.
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  Speaker 3: So we have about four parts planned and I'm give
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  Speaker 3: you a quick synopsis and then we can watch a
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  Speaker 3: little three minute teaser the documentary when it's produced and done.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to start out with in nineteen fifty four,
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  Speaker 3: that was the first year Duffy Doherty was a head coach.
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  Speaker 3: It was also the year of Brown versus Bord, of
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  Speaker 3: med education, the desegregation of schools in the South. That
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  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty four staff with Duffy Doherty was Dan Devine,
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  Speaker 3: Bob Devaney, Bill Yeoman, Sonny grand Elias. All these guys
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  Speaker 3: what followed Duffy Doherty's blueprint when they became head coaches
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  Speaker 3: and what made Duffy Doherty unique separated him from the
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  Speaker 3: rest of college football. His college football followed an into
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  Speaker 3: unwritten quota limitation policy on black athletes. Schools didn't want
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  Speaker 3: more than a half dozen black players. Duffy was the
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  Speaker 3: first one to ignore that. He assembled the first fully
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  Speaker 3: integrated teams in the nineteen sixties, and so when Dan
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  Speaker 3: Debai became a head coach at Arizona State and again
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  Speaker 3: later at Missouri and even at Notre Dame. He expanded
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  Speaker 3: a number of black players on his roster, same with
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  Speaker 3: Bob Davany, and he won two national titles. In Nebraska.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Yeoman desegregated Houston in nineteen sixty four, six years
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  Speaker 3: before the nineteen seventy USC Alabama game, and then Sunny
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  Speaker 3: grand Dealis was doing the same thing at Colorado and
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  Speaker 3: Sunny grand Dealis's team. It's kind of a bookend story
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  Speaker 3: to the nineteen sixty two Rose Bowl. I can get
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  Speaker 3: into that a little bit later. Actually I'll get into
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  Speaker 3: it now because it is in this little three minute teaser.
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  Speaker 3: What happened, and this is an example of how the
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  Speaker 3: sports media avoided race. Nobody knows the story. In nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty one, Sonny Grandville, as a Duffy Doherty disciple, was
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  Speaker 3: Colorado's head coach. Colorado won the Big Eight and was
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  Speaker 3: invited to the Yorge Bowl. It was an upset they
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  Speaker 3: weren't expected to win the conference, but by coincidence, Colorado
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  Speaker 3: had played a game at the University of Miami in
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  Speaker 3: the nineteen sixty one regular season. In September, and when
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  Speaker 3: they got there, the five black players weren't allowed to
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  Speaker 3: stay with the team, eat with the team, or even
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  Speaker 3: ride on the team bus. And so when they got
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  Speaker 3: back to Boulder, Joe Romeg, the team captain who was
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  Speaker 3: in the College Football Hall of Fame, he called a
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  Speaker 3: team meeting and he recapped everything that went on about
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  Speaker 3: being segregated Miami and Jim Crow, and he said it's
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  Speaker 3: not going to happen again. And it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: an empty promise because they didn't have another game scheduled
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  Speaker 3: in the South and they weren't expected to win the Oorsball.
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  Speaker 3: Well what happened. They won the Big Eight. The Orangeball's
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  Speaker 3: all excited after they won that game. I forget which
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  Speaker 3: team it was they beat. I think it was Iowa State,
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  Speaker 3: and the Clint did wrapped everything up the Oorngsbowls. In
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  Speaker 3: the locker room, they invite. They delivered their official Orisball
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  Speaker 3: invitation and Joe Romi stands up and says, we're not going,
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  Speaker 3: not unless you do something about Jim Crow in Miami. Meeting,
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  Speaker 3: our black player teammates can stand and say a hotel
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  Speaker 3: with us, and eat in the restaurant with us, and
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  Speaker 3: Miami and the Orsbowl back down. Do you know that story?
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  Speaker 3: Nobody knows that story because the media ignored it. Those
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  Speaker 3: are the types of stories we're telling. So this documentari
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  Speaker 3: will start out about how Duffy Doherty influenced college football
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  Speaker 3: coast to coast and then nowadays you have more black coaches,
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  Speaker 3: one of them being Dione Sanders. Right, here's the three
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  Speaker 3: minute sizzle real teaser that I hope intrigues everyone out there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Candy, fire up, it's roll ball.
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  Speaker 4: Game Changers of the Century sheds light and how longtime
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  Speaker 4: Michigan State football coach Duffy Dougherty and his men from
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  Speaker 4: his coaching staff of the mid nineteen fifties leveled the
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  Speaker 4: racial playing field in major college football by recruiting black
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  Speaker 4: players from all over the US and attracting southern and
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  Speaker 4: Southwestern talent. High school coaches trusted their charges to these
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  Speaker 4: inclusive programs. Doherty and the coaching tree changed the game forever.
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  Speaker 4: I am so excited to be a producer for Game
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  Speaker 4: Changers of the Century.
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  Speaker 2: And you win, you're in the locker room. There's such
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  Speaker 2: a feeling of war and satisfaction.
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  Speaker 4: Doherty not only welcomed high school all Americans. He took
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  Speaker 4: chances on lesser touted players in black quarterbacks when that
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  Speaker 4: was a rarity. Assistant coaches from his early staff, including
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  Speaker 4: Bob Devaney and Dan Devine, and many players as well,
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  Speaker 4: went on to head successful programs at Nebraska, Arizona State, Oklahoma, Colorado, Houston,
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  Speaker 4: Notre Dame, and Missouri, where they too fielded rosters which
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  Speaker 4: were much more diverse than their opposition.
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  Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to be at the game that
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  Speaker 3: changed the world.
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  Speaker 4: Forever, witnessed by thirty three million viewers, when number one
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  Speaker 4: ranked Notre Dame faced number two Michigan State in nineteen
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  Speaker 4: sixty six. The game ended and attended two tie and
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  Speaker 4: became known as the Game of the Century. Game Changers
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  Speaker 4: also debunks prevailing myths regarding racial milestones and collegiate football
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  Speaker 4: and provide social background as to what was happening in
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  Speaker 4: the country. In nineteen sixty two, the Colorado University Buffaloes
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  Speaker 4: won the right to go to the Orange Bowl. The
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  Speaker 4: committee would not allow the black players to stay in
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  Speaker 4: the same hotel.
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  Speaker 2: Before we're going to go, we're going to be a team.
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  Speaker 4: Joe Ramig, the team captain, told them they would boycott
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  Speaker 4: the Orange Bowl unless they could stay in the same hotel.
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  Speaker 4: Eight years later, another Colorado team would once again bump
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  Speaker 4: into the ugliness of racism. It's Alabama versus Colorado. It
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  Speaker 4: was Eddie Crowder's nineteen sixty nine Buffs who matched up
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  Speaker 4: against Bear Bryant's Alabama Crimson Tide in the Liberty Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: The Crimson Tide, however, was still a team of all
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  Speaker 4: white players. Game Changers is being produced at a time
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  Speaker 4: where the spotlight is on the University of Colorado and
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  Speaker 4: head football coach Dion Sanders, the first HBCU head coach
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  Speaker 4: to transition to a Power five coaching position at the
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  Speaker 4: University of Colorado. He led the Buffaloes to a nine
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  Speaker 4: to three regular season record in his second year as
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  Speaker 4: head coach.
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  Speaker 3: The twenty twenty four Heisman Award goes to Travis Hunter.
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  Speaker 4: In the twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three season,
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  Speaker 4: the nc Double A generated one point three billion dollars
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  Speaker 4: in revenue from television, broadcast rights, ticket sales, alumni donations, licensing,
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  Speaker 4: and advertisements. Additionally, in twenty twenty three, nine n CED
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  Speaker 4: Double A programs brought in over two hundred million dollars each.
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  Speaker 1: So there we have a good video. Tommy, all right,
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  Speaker 1: tell give everybody an overview. I have some other college football.
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  Speaker 1: I have another book to promote as well as Station
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  Speaker 1: and Breakdomen. So that pretty much sums it up. If
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  Speaker 1: you think about HBUCU Deon Sanders being a good fit
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  Speaker 1: for that university, especially based on the history that's actually
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  Speaker 1: there that most people really wouldn't understand until they go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and watch this video in addition to your book,
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  Speaker 1: give us a reef overview of what people just saw,
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  Speaker 1: what they can look forward to as they study at
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  Speaker 1: more detail.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, black coaches from HBCUs never made the jump
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  Speaker 3: to the Power five, and so Deon Sanders kind of
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  Speaker 3: broke down that barrier the way Duffy Dorty broke down
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  Speaker 3: the barrier for players. And then since then you've seen
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  Speaker 3: Eddie George go from Tennessee State to Bowling Green. Michael
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  Speaker 3: Vick got his chance. He hadn't really been a coach before,
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  Speaker 3: but he got hired at Norfolk State. But again, like
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  Speaker 3: I say, Duffy Doherty's fingerprints are coast to coast through
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  Speaker 3: his assistant coaches following his blueprint. Three other names that
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  Speaker 3: were mentioned in there that I didn't mention earlier. They
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  Speaker 3: weren't assistant coaches for Duffy, but they're part of his tree.
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  Speaker 3: Frank Kush played for on the Duffy Dorty teams, and
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  Speaker 3: Dan Devine brought him with him to Arizona State. So
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  Speaker 3: when Dan Devine moved to Missouri, Frank Kush was promoted
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  Speaker 3: the head coach. And Frank Kush had the same attitude,
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  Speaker 3: He's going to recruit more black players than the run
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  Speaker 3: quota limiting to half a dozen black players, which is
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  Speaker 3: what USC and other schools did until the late nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 3: And then Chuck Fairbanks also went out there to Arizona
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  Speaker 3: State with Dan Devine and later with Bill Yeomen and Houston,
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  Speaker 3: and then he went to Oklahoma, and when he was
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  Speaker 3: named the head coach, he appointed Barry Switzer as his
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  Speaker 3: assistant offensive coordinator, and Chuck and Barry both were in
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  Speaker 3: agreement that they were going to recruit more black players
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  Speaker 3: than the three or four that they adherited on the
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma roster. And of course then Chuck went on to
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  Speaker 3: the New England Patriots and Barry Switzer's night in teen
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  Speaker 3: seventy Oklahoma teams were known as some of the most
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  Speaker 3: integrated teams in the country and with black quarterbacks. And
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  Speaker 3: then let me back up one point. The nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 3: one Game of the Century was Chuck Fairbanks Michigan State
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  Speaker 3: player for Duffy, Bob Debatey Michigan State assistant coach for Duffy.
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  Speaker 3: So Duffy's fingerprints are on the nineteen sixty sixth Game
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  Speaker 3: of the Century, which is the first one. There's about
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  Speaker 3: a half dozen editions of games called the Game of
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  Speaker 3: the Century, and the sixty sixth one with Michigan State
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  Speaker 3: was the first with black players. The seventy one game
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  Speaker 3: was the first was two. Notre Dame only had one
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  Speaker 3: black player when they played Michigan State in nineteen sixty six,
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  Speaker 3: that was Alan Page. Michigan State had twenty black players,
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  Speaker 3: eleven black starters, two black team captains, college Football Hall
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  Speaker 3: of famers George Webster and Clinton Jones, and then Jimmy
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  Speaker 3: Ray as the south first black quarterback to win national title.
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  Speaker 3: He was recruited on the underground railroad out of segregated Fairvielle,
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina out nor day Man one black player. So
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  Speaker 3: then the seventy one Game of the Century is the
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  Speaker 3: first one the two integrated teams, Bob the Vany's team
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  Speaker 3: and Chuck Fairbanks team. Duffy Dorty's fingerprints are on both games.
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  Speaker 3: So at the end of that video also, I wanted to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, getting back to if there's any alumni Boosters
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  Speaker 3: on to them, tell them that this is a great
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  Speaker 3: investment opportunity. The team we have has produced the documentaries
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  Speaker 3: as I've been on Netflix, in other words, and we
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  Speaker 3: have a financial guy in Denver, or organizing this. His
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  Speaker 3: name is Matt Schwartz. And there was a QR code
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  Speaker 3: at the end of that video that you could scan
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and get all the information, or you can go to
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: my website, Tom Shanahan dot Report and that documentary information
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: is there too. So and then I told you about
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Ray of Light, the right thing to do. I guess
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: we'll get into that a little bit later, but that's
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: a little deep. After I wrote Ray of Light, I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: realized this story is a lot deeper than just those
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: sixty five sixty six teams. That's what I realized. To
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: what Duffy did with his assistant coaches, and so that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: what the right thing to do is about.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what I should Well, you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: wat you while you're talking about the right thing they do,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: want to go ahead and talk about that now, then
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: we'll get their other college football. That way we can
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: stay on track. Just everybody knows the sports and change
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is following us. I should point out one thing that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: over the last couple episodes, we had a chance to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: talk about the NFL record the amount of black quarterbacks
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: in the league the last couple, the first one and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of course we let Marvin follow the third time in yesterday.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So that was pretty neat the way more or less
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: goes I had and correlates with everything that you're talking
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: about about the black quarterbacks as well leading and so
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you know, while we're thinking about it, go ahead and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: talk about the right thing to do, and then we'll
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: get to the rest of the college football agenda.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: How does that sound?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds good. Let me say one more thing
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: about Jimmy Ray is the Sound's first black quarterback to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: win a national title. Remember I told you the sports
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: media of the sixties failed to record all these milestones
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: in documents. You see document these things. They were unknown,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: but if in Ray elied, Jimmy Ray talked about how
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Willie Thrower was a black quarterback at Michigan State in
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the fifties and then he was the first black quarterback
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: in the NFL as a rookie with the Chicago Bears
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty three. So that was one reason Jimmy
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Ray had confidence he could play quarterback at Michigan State
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: without getting switched to a defensive back, which is what
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: happens to black quarterbacks all the time. And the other
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: reason was Sandy Stevens. Now Sandy Stevens is well documented
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: as the first black quarterback to win a national title
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: with Minnesota in nineteen sixty That is no but I
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: started to think about it, Well, wait a minute. If
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Sandy Stevens is the first win in nineteen sixty and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: then Jimmy Ray is on Michigan States nineteen sixty five
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: and sixty six national championship teams, there aren't many black
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks anywhere in the country outside of HBCUs of course,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to win a national title in that five six year gap.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: So I determined that Jimmy Ray was the south first
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: black quarterback to win a national title and it was
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the fact that Michigan State itself never knew because Jimmy
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Ray didn't know it. Jimmy Ray was surprised when I
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: told him, and I presented all my research to the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: National Football Foundation and they came back with me and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: they said, you're right, and they put out a newsletter
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: about it. And then now you see that identified with
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Ray all the time. But that's an example of
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: how so many pioneers have not gotten there just due
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: for the sacrifices they made for standing up to the
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: KKK and the Jim Crow. And that's one of many examples.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I started to uncover those examples and realize them, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I said, it's time to do another book. And that's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the right thing to do. The two pioneers of the
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixties. And I already told you about Duffy Doherty's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: coaching tree. Do you want to put that up for
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: a second, Candy, you want to? Yeah? There you go?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So there you can see I mentioned Earl
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Edward going from top left corner down in sunny Grandilis
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: in Colorado. That's Frank Cush in Arizona State. Dan Devine,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: he's in a Missouri cap. But he did the same
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: thing at Arizona State. Missouri had fourteen black players in
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty eight. Who I am sorry nineteen sixty eight,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: but they had their first two black players in nineteen
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: fifty eight. Who knows that? Nobody because the national media
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: has been fooled by this Bear Bryant nineteen seventy USC
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Alabama game myth. They think there were no black players
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: in the South until Sam Cunningham shocked Alabama's fans and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: they said, okay, be here, Briant, you can recruit black
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: players now we need him to win. Well, that's not
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: what happened at all. In fact, Bear bryan had already
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: recruited his first black player, Wilbert Jackson. He was on
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: he was a freshman at Alabama in nineteen seventy, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: the year before that Auburn, Alabama's in state rival, had
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: recruited his first black player, James owensineteen sixty nine. Nobody
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: fired Shoot Jordan, the Auburn coach, for signing a black player.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: But that's the always excuse for Bear Bryant in the
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Southeastern Conference seventh of ten Alabama was the seventh of
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: ten Southeastern Conference schools to recruit their first black player.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Six coaches where I had a Bear Bryan Bear Bryant
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: was at the back of the line. So continuing on
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: that tree there in the second branch up there at
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the top with the y s on his hat, that's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Earl Edwards. He was a Michigan State assistant with Duffy
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Doherty under Bear Bryant, I mean under a that's what
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: a horrible thing to say, under Biggie Munn. And when
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Duffy got the job in fifty four, Earl Edwards got
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the job at NC State and Earle desegregated n C
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: State's program. And then below that in the house to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: that is Devaney. Second row in the middle there that's
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Chuck Fairbanks. As I told you, he was all for
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: recruiting more black players at Oklahoma, and he and Barry
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: switzerre teamed up below that is Bill Yeoman. He went
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to Houston in nineteen sixty one and maybe it was
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: sixty two, and he recruited his first black players in
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty four as Warren McVeigh, and he had a
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: fully integrated roster by nineteen seventy and Houston was playing
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: at stadiums throughout the South. They played at Georgia, they
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: played at Tennessee, they played at Florida State, they played
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Ole Miss at Ole Miss and at the Liberty Bowl
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: in Memphis. They played in North Carolina State, they played
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: at Texas, and of course they had their home games
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: at Houston. There was nothing unusual about black players at
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Southern stadiums in the sixties. That bear Bryan myth is
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: complete Poloni and it was made up by USC fans
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: who didn't know any better because the milestones were not
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: on the landscape. They looked out there and they said, well,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: let's take this Sam Cunningham story and back it up
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: and fill it into the void of information. And they
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: got away with it. So then the other influence I
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: talked about where differ Doughty's influence on college football, And
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: actually the NFL too, is in the coaching ranks. So
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: there at the top is Tyrone Willingham. Tyrone was recruited
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: from Jacksonville, North Carolina. His high school was desegregated about
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: ninth grade or so. But remember he would have grown
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: up most of his childhood gone to segregated schools, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: no one wanted to recruit him except Jimmy Ray answered
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: his letter and convinced Duffy Doherty to make him a
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: walk on, and Tyron had a good football career as
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: a backup quarterback and played a lot of flanker. He
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: also earned some All Big Ten honors and then he
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: started out as a graduate assistant in Michigan State. He
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: ended up being the first black coach to take a
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: team to the Rose Bowl, and then he led Stafford
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: to the Pac Ten title and they went to the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: nineteen I think that was a ninety nine season, so
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: two thousand Rose Bowl. And then he was the first
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: black coach in Edny sport at Notre Dame head coach
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: and then below him as Jimmy Ray. Jimmy got his
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: started under Duffy Doherty. In nineteen seventy two, he joined
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Sherman Lewis, who's below Duffy Jimmy there. Sherman was hired
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: by Duffy in nineteen sixty nine. So in the nineteen
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: seventy two season, Duffy's last season, he had two block assistants.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: At the time, a lot of schools were getting around
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: to hired their first black assistant coach. But the thing
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: that's significant about Jimmy Ray and Sherman Lewis as both
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: went on to the NFL long careers, they never got
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a chance to be a head coach because they were
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: still their prime years were at the time, Black guys
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: were not getting a chance as I had as head
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: coach like they are now. Jimmy was the second black
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: coordinator in the NFL in nineteen eighty three with the Rams,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and then Sherman Lewis is the first black offensive coordinator
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to win a Super Bowl title when he was the
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in nineteen ninety seven.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: And in twenty twenty two, the Pro Football Hall of
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Fame launched an inaugural class NFL Awards of Excellence. So
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of guys like assistant coaches and other
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: jobs on NFL teams that are behind the scenes. They
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: don't get the credit the head coaches or the players get.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: And Jimmy Ray was in that inaugural class in twenty
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: twenty two. He was honored and can't knowhiw Dan Fouts
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: was the master of ceremonies, And because I know Dan
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Fouts a little bit, he picked my brain for information
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: on Duffy Doherty and included it with his questions for Jimmy.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: He did the same in twenty twenty three the Second Class.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: So there you have it. Duffy Dorty's fingerprints are all
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: over the coast to coast in the college game and
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: even extend into the NFL.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: All right, so Tommy, let's go briefly on the book
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: The Right Thing to Do briefly because we have a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: lot of other college topics that want to get to.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Candy will then deliver a station break. Then we'll get
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to the college topics. Very intriguing stuff. For those of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: you that missed it here on the show, you can
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: always play it again on YouTube as well. A lot
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he gave you there, and we'll have it well tagged
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as well. So all right, give us a brief overview
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of the Right Thing to Do in town.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I already The Right Thing to Do. It covers
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the coaching impact of Duffy extensively. But the other thing
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I did is I realized these first Southern pioneers who
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: desegregated Southern campuses. Duffy Doherty's teams influenced Southern coaches who
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: were against segregation, and they were ready to recruit their
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: first black players and the success at Michigan State. The
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty four sixty five Civil Rights Acts helped them
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: to open the doors. And the first example was Darrel
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Hill at Maryland in nineteen sixty three, But the first
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: true examples were Wake Forest in nineteen sixty four with
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Bob Grant and Butch Henry. And then I already mentioned
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Houston with Bill Yeoman the coach in Fourth War McVay.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And the reason why I say they were more important
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: than Darrel Hill. Darrel Hill was a senior transfer from Navy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: He played one year as a senior. He was a
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: polished product, kind of like getting somebody from the transfer
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: portal now. And then Maryland did not continue to recruit
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: black athletes until later in the decade. Wake Forrest signed
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: three black kids in nineteen sixty four from high school,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: continued to recruit more black kids each year until they
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: were fully integrated. And Bill Tait was the coach at
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Wake Forest in nineteen sixty four. He deserves more credit
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: than Bear Bryant and then of course Bill Yeoman. Bill
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Yeoman was winning games, but because he had desegregated the
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: football program in Jim Crow Houston, he was hung in
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: effigy on campus with a winning football team, and as
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Elmo Wright, one of his black All American players who
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: went on to the College Football Hall of Fame and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: long career with Kansas City Chiefs, he says, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: you know see coaches, winning coaches get hung in effigy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: And the other thing Elbow Wright told me is, you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: it's one thing to integrate in nineteen seventy like Bear
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Bryant when everybody else already has, and it's another thing
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: to do way ahead of the time when you meet
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: resistance like Bill Yogan did in sixty four. These are
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: the guys who deserve the credit. And it's an in
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: justice that any credit at all goes to Bear Bryant
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and the same goes for USC. I detail this heavily
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: in my book. USC was one of the schools that
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: followed the unwritten policy of limiting their black athletes to
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: a half dozen or so. They only had five black
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: players on their nineteen sixty two national championship team. They
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: only had seven on their nineteen sixty seven national championship team.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Remember I told you Michigan State was in the twenties
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: on their sixty five and sixty sixteens, and one of
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: those seven was a San Francisco City College import named
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Oj Simpson. We're talking about USC in populous and diverse
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles. You have to work hard to keep your
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: numbers that low. Well, how do they do it today?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: We call the elite recruit, the five star recruit. Well,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: that's what John McKay did. He only took the guys
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: like an OJ Simpson who won a Heisman Trophy, Mike
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Garrett who won a Heisman Trophy, and some of those
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: other black stars. He limited it to only this almost
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: sure miss cam't miss type guys. Duffy Doherty took chances
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: on undersized, lightly recruited black kids the same as he
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: did with white kids. And there's no better example of
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: that than Jimmy Ray, who is an undersized quarterbacks listed
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: at six foot, he wasn't really six foot. And if
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: they didn't have Jimmy Ray, there are other quarterbacks on
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: the roster we're capable of leading the team to a
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: national title. So if they didn't have Jimmy Ray, they
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have those sixty five and sixty six teams would
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: have lost games and not gone undefeated the way they
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: did okay.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Great soft Tommy, Hello Siberusy, thanks for being with us, Candy,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Station Break, Tommy, we got some college football to talk about.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Sports Exchange coming up at the top of the hour.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Great stories up for both books, and I'm sure a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: lot of people will definitely get some insight and information
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: as well. Great stuff, Tommy, And I'll let everybody know
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that Tom Shanahan joins us on Inside the picked In
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and at eight thirty pm Eastern Time Tuesday night, they'll
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: be a guest on a Sports Exchange and I'll talk
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: about one book at a time now that I know
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that there's a story to tell on each of them.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Katy, Station Break, we have some other college football,
• 36:54
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• 38:17
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• 38:21
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• 38:27
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• 38:31
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• 38:35
  Speaker 5: but the Bob Sletters, they actually have it much worse.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: If you think about it now that we talked to
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: this Bob Slutter, it makes a whole lot of sense.
• 38:48
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• 38:51
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• 38:55
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of topics I look afford to pairing
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• 39:23
  Speaker 1: let's talk about some basic college football, Tommy. I know
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that's what we talk about a lot. Now you have
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to incorporate some of what you just talked
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: about with these two books and what we're going to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: talk about tonight. Worts ex change the schedule for about
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: nine it might be nine to fifteen candies, so everybody
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: know behind us to stand by.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: We have a good one going on with.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Tom Shanahan and I The Ray of Light Forward by
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Tony Dungee. She'll let them know that'll be following this show,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: All right, Tom, First we'll get to Virginia Tech paid
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: old Dominion four Hunter K to play in Lane Stadium.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: The Monarchs beat the Hopes forty five to twenty six.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Odieu has three all time wins over Power Conference opponents.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: But guess what they're all against Virginia Tech one in
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a hokey don alarm don't.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Cackle d Yeah, that's and the coach got fired. So
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: and I think the message from that, you know, you
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: have to have a better handle on how to handle
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: the transfer portal and I high school recruiting its Apparently
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: this wasn't happening if Virginia Tech. Brad Pie is obviously
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: a good coach. He knows what he was doing. He
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: was at Penn State. He knows x's and o's. But
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: the college job is so much bigger than just going
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: out on the field on Saturday afternoon. You have to
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: have a general manager who's on top of what these
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: nil kids are being offered. Do you match it or
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: do you just let him go? And the other thing
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: that's disturbing about the state of college football today. He
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: is zero and three and the same thing happened at UCLA,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Shan Foster was fired. If you go back and look
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: at and so they're gone already, there's no patience. If
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: you go back and look at some very very successful coaches.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Barry Avarez when he took over at Houston, I mean Wisconsin,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the program was terrible and it took him about two
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: or three years to finally become respectable. They were having
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: losing seasons and then by the fourth year he was
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: in the Rose Bowl. Same thing with Bill McCartney at Colorado.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I think he was his second or third year at Colorado.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: They were one in ten. They only had eleven game
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: schedules back in those days. In today's climate, he would
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: have been gone. Colorado stuck by him, and four or
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: five six years later they win a national champion and ship.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: So that's what I take from the Virginia Tech game. Now,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: what has Shane Biemer done? I'm gonna do. Now, he's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: got to go to South Carolina. He's got a good
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: job there. But his dad is the one who built
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Virginia Tech into a national power, and he was an
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: assistant for his dad. Does he go back to Virginia
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Tech where his roots are and then give up what
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: he's established at South Carolina, and then maybe he can't
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: turn it around at Virginia Tech. And Virginia Tech has
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the fire, the son of Frank Greamer. That's the state
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: of college football in twenty twenty five at twenty first century.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how that one plays out. But I'm
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: glad you brought that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Let's I'd had a little speculation of the speculation, fire
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and great stuff. All right now, I don't even understand
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: this one. Maybe I took a dunk kill overnight. But
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I remember being on the Sun Belt Conference. I always wondered.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I never knew there was an Arkansas football program until
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I found out in some Belt.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But guess what?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Arkansas finally played Arkansas State for the first time, Paopall. Yes,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: there's an instant rivalry in Arkansas, But guess what. Arkansas
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: beat Arkansas State fifty six to fourteen. The first meeting
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: between the Razorbacks and the Red Wolves.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Or the Wave. Howson's happened?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: How the two Wednesday schools finally meet for the first
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: time at twenty twenty five?
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: What happened all these years? I don't get it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I still better what help me? Well? Arkansas considered it
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: beneath them to play a group of five schools, so
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: they needed which is what happened with way back when
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: with the Louisville and Kentucky basketball rivalry. They needed the
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: state legislator to force them to play because it's a
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: good pride thing for the whole state. Now though, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: we've discussed this before, now these games they no longer
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: serve their purpose because used to be a group of
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: five school or a FCS school could have some NFL talent,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: and if everything was right, they might catch a team
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: FBS team and beat them, and they might deservely beat it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: They might have a really good team. But now if
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: you're an FCS, a group of five school with NFL talent,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: those guys are looking to move up for a bigger
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: payday and a power for school. So it's just going
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to make the disparity between the Power four and the
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: rest of college football even greater. And we've seen that
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: reflected in the scores. It was Ohio State seventy, not
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: that it was a seventy seven to nothing over Grambling,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: and there was just all kinds of scores like that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a shame for Arkansas State. It should
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: have been happening in the past. I don't. Yeah, Well,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Arkansas State is a group of five schools, so they
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: can still be competitive. They Arkansas owes it to their
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: state fans, the state of eric Arkansas fans, to have
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that rivalry, that excitement, that buzz.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad they finally had it. Albet nine million
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: years later, three other ones that want to get to
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: anybody ever heard of the Long Island University Sharks. I didn't,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what I finally heard about it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: when the Long Island University Shark football team's done Eastern
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Michigan for the program first FBS win and their biggest
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: winning program history twenty eight to twenty three in front
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of fifteen thousand, three hundred and thirteen and Eastern Michigan.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Eastern Michigan University at the time drop to to two,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: LU improved a one on one. You know about the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Long Island Neustite Sharks that you know about them?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably played with HOSTRA. I feel bad for
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Eastern Michigan. They've always been the third MAX school in
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: the in the Michigan in the state of Michigan, be
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: behind Western Michigan and Central Michigan. They've always had a
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: tough time comput They have a coach there who's done
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: a good job. He's been there for a few years
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: and they've won a lot of games, you know, not
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: conference titles or anything, but they have won some games,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: and I think even made a couple of bulls. But
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: that's that has to be a very demoralizing loss for them,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: because that's, you know, that's a game they've got to
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: win because they play so many other tough games. They'll
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: go up and play a power for school and get beat,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: so they're never going to have a good record, and
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: then so this just damages them their season even more so.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Long Island University Sharks appropriately named guess they have sharks
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: along the coast of Long Island beat the Eastern Michigan
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Enough set all right, now, two more. I want to
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: get to Tommy. This shocked me. Not an ACC game,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: but I can't believe that Virginia and North Carolina State
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: met in a non conference game for the first time
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to nineteen forty eight, five years before the ACC with
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: found an. NC State ended up defeating Virginia thirty five
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to thirty one.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: How did this come about?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Well, that's part of one of US college football playoff expanding,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and then the ACC gets downgraded against the SEC and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten all the time as they only had
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: they only had two teams in the twelve team format playoff,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: and they realized that they had to toughen up their
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: schedule solee. So even though they are conference members, they
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: are Power four members. So both of them saw the
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: value of playing a power for opponent rather than a
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: group of five or an fcc FCS school. And so
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: North Carolina State is three and oh won't help Virginia
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: this year. But North Carolina State is three and Oh.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: It's doubtful that they're going to win the ACC or
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: be in contention for one of the twelve playoff spots,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: but if they are somehow because they do have a
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: heck of quarterbacks CJ. Bailey, and they have some good
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: wide receivers Noah Gray, he's from the Raleigh area. He
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: went to Ohio State originally and then he came back
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: home and he's playing for North Carolina State. And they
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: have some other good receivers. They have a great running back,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Hollywood's Smothers in the catch the ball out of the
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: batfield as well, so if North Carolina State can make
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: things interesting, they're not. They're pointing to a win over Virginia,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a Power four school instead of Old Dominion or you
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: know some other FCS school.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: All right, I finally wanted to get to Tonight.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: North Carolina finally did get off the shade when they
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: beat Charlotte twenty to three. Bill Belichick won his first
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: game at Jerry Richardson Stadium and Gill Lopez was seventeen
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: of twenty five or a buck sixty five, one touchdown,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: no interceptions. The tar Hills followed up with the forty
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: one to six went over. Everybody knows about the Richmond
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Spiders and basketball, but Belichick got win number two. I'm
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: sure that has to make people feeling a little bit
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: better left face reality. Belichick, I think will do a
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: good job, and he needed these two wins to try
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to breed the little life into the program. As not
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: easy as they're going to start off with a team
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: like TCU get blown out, but he exists. And because
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the one thing, Belichick isn't used to not having preseason games,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: so he needed these two wins to make up for
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the lack of a preseason game where your thoughts about
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: not only these two wins, with the Belichick experiment over
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: at North Carolina, he's spending more time with the media
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: than he did in New England. But what are your
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: thoughts overall as we get ready to wrap this thing up?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Fortune change coming up shortly?
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, learn a lot more this week when they
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: play at Central Florida. So yeah, the TCU was a
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: good team. They didn't get credit for how good tc
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: he was, especially with a veteran quarterback going against a
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: team with a new defensive coordinator and seventy new players overall,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: North Carolina wasn't ready for a game like that, so
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: they needed the North Carolina Charlotte. The win over Charlotte
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: wasn't impressive, was not impressive, but it was a win.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: They were a little more consistent and had a better
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: running game against Richmond, but still that's FCS school, so
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: the bigger test. What they gained out of those two
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: wins is some confidence, and they showed more consistency with
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: their offensive and defensive uton units following their assignments. But
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: they're gonna face a much tougher test with Scott Frost
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: and Central Florida this week. I don't think there'll be
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: much more than seven and five at best this year.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: But I don't think anyone should doubt Belichick is dedicated
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: to building this program and time hotel. We have to
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: give him more time.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you that Central Florida game is
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: a really intriguing game.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Scott Brost went over to Nebraska, did work out so well,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: he went back to Central Florida, and now he has
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: an opportunity where he's really revered their anyways to try
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: to put a stamppack on that program for sure. The
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: only thing I don't like about Central's Two things I
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: don't like about Central Florida Number one the rivals of
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: US half and number two of their self proclaimed national champions.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: No, that doesn't work. But other than that, what did
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: work does good?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Episode The Night Here in Motor City mad Mouth show
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan rock the Motor City man Mouth Please be
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: joined by author Tom Shannan, the author of The Ray
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: of Light was afford by Tony Dungee and also the
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: author of the Right Thing to Do. They have two
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: authors in here. He's got two books. I'm going to
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: be working on my second before long. It's material like this.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: It makes it a whole lot easier to be able
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: to compile on books because you need the data and
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you need the material.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what Tommy and I are look into today.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: He's one of my biggest editions, but in order to
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: promote his book, he has to get to this show
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: first before he graduates to the other one. So on
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: our network, his next top will be the Sports Exchange
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: coming up in the next few weeks or so. But
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: any closing talks as we get ready to wrap it up.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Tommy, well, yeah, I appreciate you.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Let me talk about the show, and you hit the
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: nail on the head right there. National media is stuck
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: on Bear Bryant. They just regurgitate each other. They've never
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: vetted this myth. If they do, everybody who reads my
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: book is shocked at what they learn and how much
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: they've been fooled by the Bear Bryant myth. But if
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the national media keeps repeating the same story over and over,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: it's just entrenched, and then it's hard for me to
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: break through and get on to a national show. I'll
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: give you a good example. When the Ray of Light
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: came out, Brian Gumbo. You know, of course, Brian Gumbo
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: is a superstar in the media world, and he had
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: HBO Real Sports. He knew Jimmy Rayley had played golf before.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: And I pitched it to Brian Gumbo a story, and
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: he told me, if you can believe this, and this
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: is what I get from a lot of other media members,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Brian Gumbo told me his younger audience wouldn't understand it,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: so instead he doesn't tell the true story of college
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: football integration. I will mention names, but some other people
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: in the South national names. They say, I've got the
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: story debunking the USC Alabama game nineteen seventy, correct, but
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: they won't put me on their show because they don't
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: want to deal with the Bear Bryant legend in the backlash.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: But you know what, ask me if I care, that's right,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and you know, yeah, and I'll tell you another thing.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't really care because my mentors always
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: taught me to be different and when you think about
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: me in general. I went out there and had a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: show laugh Thursday night called the Argentine Gringo.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: What the Argentine Gringo? People?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: A guy that's a daunt billy guy who moved to Argentina.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I put it on my show. That's nobody in their
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: right mind would do it. But I'm never in my
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: right mind. You know why, because in my opinion, the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: best story is the one that nobody has because they're
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: not different. There are no darn shortcuts in the business.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: And if any think you're gonna last in this business shortcuts,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: then you're in for a short career period.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: No, I love the story again again.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Our relationship began when we met North Carolina is built
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: over the years, and now you've become a staple on
• 54:23
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• 54:26
  Speaker 1: building what we're doing, We're building a great network, and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: it's about not only collaborating, but the other people that
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: don't believe in it. Well, you have to have a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: gunslinger mentality in this business. You don't have a gunslinger mentality,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: you'll never know what if And I don't live off
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: what ifs. Life's too short to live off what ifs,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: and I won't do that. But I'll tell you what
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: if I had more time, I spend more time on it,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: but I don't. We have the Sports and Shames coming up,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: So Candy, you have one more station break. Timmy glad
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  Speaker 2: Back to you, Scott, Hey's candy.
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  Speaker 1: Well down, Tommy, Glad we got you in before we
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  Speaker 1: get in that series next Wednesday. And I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're feeling better. I know last week
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: we were a little under the weather. Hope you're feeling better.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you had to do back to backs with me,
• 57:33
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  Speaker 1: once again, everybody, thank you very much for joining on this,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Shanahan and I are talking about the ram Light
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  Speaker 1: Forward by Tony Dungee. Tommy, great to have y'all look
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  Speaker 1: forward to next Tuesday. Let's get the word out there
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  Speaker 1: so we get some more books and more importantly, let's
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  Speaker 1: get the message out there as well. I think this
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: is a thing that people need to become more aware of.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And I don't mind doing it because I think there's
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  Speaker 2: Tony, we thank you very much for joining us all right.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Tom Shanehan dot Report, Facebook, Tom
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  Speaker 1: So all of these can be obtained through Tom Shanahan's
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• 59:07
  Speaker 1: to get the words run around for our tanks. So
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: once again, on behalf of Tom Shannan. My name is
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan off MotorCity man Well, thank you for joining
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: us on this edition of the MotorCity man Mouth Show.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: We have another MotorCity man Mouth show them all night,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock GM Eastern Time. Hope you can join us meanwhile,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Fortune changeing A good night everybody and look forward to
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the second half our doubleheader tonight.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Good night,