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Chuck & Buck 11-3 Hour 4: MMQB continues with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 4: Thanks well, we've established yep, that's right, our cups running
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Speaker 4: over at nine o'clock hour here on this Monday morning. Yes,
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Speaker 4: it's time for more Monday morning quarterback.
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Speaker 3: You.
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Speaker 4: Millon's been with us since eight o'clock. He'll continue with us.
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Speaker 4: To break it down a thirty eight to fourteen win
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Speaker 4: over the Washington Commanders last night on Sunday Night Football.
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Speaker 4: Joining the conversation now, former Seahawks head coach former Green
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Speaker 4: Bay Packers World Championship head coach Mike Holmgren is with
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Speaker 4: us right here on Chuck and Buck Goome morning, coach, Hey.
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Speaker 3: Good morning guys, Good morning. Did you just did you
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Speaker 3: get through Halloween? Okay?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bucky was just talking about how he really did
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Speaker 4: watch his figure this.
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Speaker 5: Entire No, Jack opposite, Yeah, I have crushed Halloween candy.
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Speaker 2: He watched his figure get a lot bigger.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, it just depends on how you watch it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not turning in the right direction. I'll tell
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Speaker 5: you that. Coach just goes, oh boy.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, coach, Well.
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Speaker 4: Look, I mean you've been around some great quarterback play
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Speaker 4: in your life. Does it get any better than what
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Speaker 4: we saw from Sam Donald last night?
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Speaker 3: No? I mean he was spot on and the team was. No.
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Speaker 3: It was really something to behold. I think it sets
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Speaker 3: the tone really for the rest of the season because
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Speaker 3: he was he did a lot of things there. You know,
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Speaker 3: he he would go to his third read, he'd go
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Speaker 3: to throw it on time, throw it quick, very accurately,
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Speaker 3: and no, it was a performance really for the ages,
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Speaker 3: I think.
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Speaker 2: So, uh well, let's let's let's use that term for
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Speaker 2: the ages. Where does it rank for you? I mean,
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Speaker 2: I got a lot of friends texting me. Is that
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Speaker 2: the the best half of quarterbacking in Seaawk history? Is
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Speaker 2: that the best half they've ever seen? I mean, do
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Speaker 2: you kind of start reflecting on on history in that regard?
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Speaker 2: Did it strike you as that type of performance or
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Speaker 2: was it just kind of well, you had had some
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Speaker 2: great numbers, but and maybe a few great plays, but
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Speaker 2: but maybe not to the level of a historical sense.
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Speaker 2: Where are you on what you saw last night?
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Speaker 3: Well? I think it ranks that right up there, you
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Speaker 3: because you know, and you know this better than anybody.
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Speaker 3: He completed like seven sixteen seventeen passes in a role.
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Speaker 3: I mean, even if you're having a good day and
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Speaker 3: a good night, that usually doesn't happen that way. You know.
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Speaker 3: The only comparison I would make an actual uh function
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Speaker 3: was Montana and the Super Bowl we played Denver. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and you know he was and he still we still
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Speaker 3: miss some throws. I mean, you know, so now I
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Speaker 3: will say this. I was really disappointed in Washington's defense
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Speaker 3: in a lot of ways in the secondary. For one,
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Speaker 3: for sure, they're tackling their effort. I just didn't think
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Speaker 3: they were very good and they but give the Seax credit.
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Speaker 3: They took advantage of it. But Mike Sam maybe not
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Speaker 3: for the ages, maybe not for the ages you, but
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Speaker 3: he was he was really good last night. Yeah, Mike.
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Speaker 2: I thought of quarterbacking and I tried, like Hill to
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Speaker 2: play it well and and it very very seldom happened.
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Speaker 2: It was usually the other way around. But I've given
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Speaker 2: a lot of thought and uh, like in college, you
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Speaker 2: know one hundred level classes or introduction like psych one
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Speaker 2: on one. Okay, you're gonna get it introduced. They're gonna
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Speaker 2: tell you a sigma Freud and and then that now
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Speaker 2: if you happen to major and what havevio or even
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Speaker 2: a grad school school, now you get into two hundred,
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Speaker 2: three hundred and four hundred. I think that quarterbacking the
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Speaker 2: five hundred level classes are anticipation and eye manipulation of defenders.
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Speaker 2: And I thought that there was so much of that
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Speaker 2: on display by Darnold last night. Uh, I mean he
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Speaker 2: was moving Bobby Wagner like he had him on a string,
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Speaker 2: and the other particularly the underneath Mike undefenders, those inside
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Speaker 2: underneath defenders, and he just he knew like, hey, I
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Speaker 2: put my eyes here, I put my eyes there, and
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Speaker 2: then I throw here and then always with anticipation. I
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Speaker 2: thought he was five hundred level quarterbacking in that regard.
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Speaker 3: No, that's a good point you and I would agree
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Speaker 3: with you. And I think you know, you look at
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Speaker 3: his history first of all, and you know he had
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Speaker 3: some rough spots with the Jets and so on and
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Speaker 3: so forth, and then he hit it with Minnesota. But
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Speaker 3: he is he is, He has learned, he has polished
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Speaker 3: up what it needs to be a great quarterback. And
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Speaker 3: when you see it, you see his eyes, you see
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Speaker 3: him move people around, you see him throw it on time,
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Speaker 3: and you're right, anticipation and movement with his eyes and
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Speaker 3: moving defenders around and understanding, understanding the principles of the route,
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Speaker 3: you know, and why they're doing a heck of a
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Speaker 3: job coaching him as well. It's it's really fun to
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Speaker 3: watch coach.
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Speaker 5: I asked Hugh this in a way earlier in our
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Speaker 5: eight o'clock hour, But I want to get your perspective
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Speaker 5: from the coaching and setting these the Jimmies and Joe's
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Speaker 5: up with the proper access and those, it does feel
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Speaker 5: like they're running a lot of the twelve personnel where
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Speaker 5: they're running heavier sets out there, and yet the idea
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Speaker 5: of they're still passing a lot off of it. I mean,
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Speaker 5: they're keeping guys honest. Is there something that you're seeing
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Speaker 5: as far as what Kubiak is doing that's setting Sam
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Speaker 5: up for the success that he's having so far halfway
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Speaker 5: through the season.
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Speaker 3: I think so, Buck, I think when I noticed and
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Speaker 3: you look at the numbers, you know, and Jigma of
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Speaker 3: course is off the charts, but they are involving the
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Speaker 3: tight end. The running backs catch a few balls. Horton.
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Speaker 3: You know, who would have thought Horton would we talk
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Speaker 3: a lot about him, But he's looking really good to
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Speaker 3: me and Cupta in play, and so give credit I
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Speaker 3: give credit to the to the coaching staff. They those
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Speaker 3: heavy sets. You know, right away they talk so much
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Speaker 3: about we got to run the ball, we gotta do this,
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Speaker 3: We're going to knock people around, and that's when people
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Speaker 3: typically put in those types of play, but then they
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Speaker 3: pass it. That's what I was hoping for you first
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Speaker 3: down play action, you know, make them think it's run
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Speaker 3: and throw the ball. And the numbers last night, you know,
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Speaker 3: it was over three hundred yards passing and not really
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Speaker 3: a large number rushing, but they got points that worked very,
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Speaker 3: very well. So I think it's a nice adjustment by
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Speaker 3: the coaching staff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're still running the football, but they're
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Speaker 4: still not running it overly well. I mean, the success
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Speaker 4: that you're seeing from Sam Darnold in the passing game
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Speaker 4: is just how good the passing game is right now.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about js and. I remember a
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Speaker 2: certain guy by the name.
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Speaker 4: Of Jerry Rice that I used to watch from home
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Speaker 4: in Illinois and think to myself, don't aren't they aware
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Speaker 4: that he's on the team the other team?
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Speaker 2: Why is he open all the time?
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Speaker 4: How is he how do they not know to put
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Speaker 4: like seven guys on him? Jsin is starting to get
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Speaker 4: that way with me, coach. I mean, it feels like
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Speaker 4: they can go to him whenever they need a play
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Speaker 4: and he's going to be open, and Sam's going to
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Speaker 4: deliver the ball to him.
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Speaker 2: How does that even happen?
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Speaker 4: You tell me, because you're the guy that used to
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Speaker 4: get Jerry Rice open all the time.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what. You you go into a game
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Speaker 3: when you have a receiver like that and anticipate certain
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Speaker 3: coverages that you're going to see for that player. In
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Speaker 3: which case, if it's if he's gloved, you know, you
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Speaker 3: throw it someplace else and you should get a completion.
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Speaker 3: But you still call his number. You know, I've told
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Speaker 3: you before I had I had Jerry Rice on my
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Speaker 3: play sheet. The only player I did it was Sterling Shop.
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Speaker 3: I did it was certain guys, but Jerry Rice's plays.
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Speaker 3: I had a list of just his plays, and I
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Speaker 3: wanted to get to those plays because he had the
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Speaker 3: ability and the smarts, okay, to do it correctly, to
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Speaker 3: find the open spot, to turn a zone pass scheme
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Speaker 3: into maybe a man passing scheme with an adjustment is
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Speaker 3: a route, and I think that's what we're seeing. But
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Speaker 3: to your point, Chuck, I don't get it either. If
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Speaker 3: I'm playing against him, you know I'm gonna knock him.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have I'm gonna hit him at the line
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Speaker 3: of scrimmage. Don't let him get because he's you you know,
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Speaker 3: there's not a lot of passes that he catches with
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Speaker 3: that that's in a crowd. He seems to like find
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Speaker 3: open spaces and then Sam's hitting him with it. So
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Speaker 3: it is a little bit of a puzzle. You you
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Speaker 3: watch the films, you study it like that. He looks
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Speaker 3: like he's just open all the time.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's he's certainly open in the middle of the field.
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Speaker 2: There's times where, look the tape, I got up real
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Speaker 2: early in the morning. There's a few times where he's
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Speaker 2: lined up as the widest receiver. It's press coverage and
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Speaker 2: and he was gloved up pretty good on either a
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Speaker 2: go route or an out route or what have you.
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Speaker 2: So I know that Chuck wasn't being literal to say
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Speaker 2: he's always open. He what he really means is he's
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Speaker 2: almost always open. And that is absolutely true. But but Mike,
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Speaker 2: you know a couple of things. I know you had
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Speaker 2: Darryl Jackson in the backfield and and and other receivers
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Speaker 2: where you'd actually put him in as a halfback. And
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Speaker 2: you know, for me, I look and I say, wait, wait,
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Speaker 2: if you got your number one receiver in the run
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Speaker 2: in the backfield, how does you know? And I watched
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Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner how he defended here here JSN comes out
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Speaker 2: on an option route and the first time, and and
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Speaker 2: you would think I would I would think that Bobby
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Speaker 2: Wagner would know of anybody. Oh, here comes the option route.
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Speaker 2: They're in his zone coverage. You think he'd squeeze as
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Speaker 2: the as the hook defender, you think he'd squeeze to
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Speaker 2: the option route. But he didn't. And see I got
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Speaker 2: fourteen yards and then man to man. Uh. Clearly a
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Speaker 2: four way break, Mike, you know, inside outside, hook it
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Speaker 2: up and zone or go vertical. If you think he
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Speaker 2: got him, Sam Arnold kind of pumped. He thought he
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Speaker 2: was going to the outside, but uh uh and Jigma
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Speaker 2: was taking it deep. He get twenty two yards. It
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Speaker 2: gets you a field goal right before the second quarter.
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Speaker 2: Two big completions to JSN out of the backfield as
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Speaker 2: the halfback. Just talk to us about your thought about
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Speaker 2: that when you've done that in the past, what you're
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Speaker 2: expecting and and and certainly we saw some some yield
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Speaker 2: out of that last night.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you if you kind of can't anticipate maybe
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Speaker 3: what kind of coverage you're going to see. And you
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Speaker 3: have a player like a Jigomut or a Darryl Jackson
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Speaker 3: or a Stirling Sharp like I had, put him in
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Speaker 3: the backfield. You you know, you got he he should
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Speaker 3: win that a good even if the even if the
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Speaker 3: linebacker is really good and all that you have him.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways to go on those option routes,
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Speaker 3: and it's a pretty good concept. But to your point,
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Speaker 3: if he's lined up there the defense, they should be
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Speaker 3: yelling to each other. It's an option, you know, they
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Speaker 3: should be alert each other to the potential for that
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Speaker 3: type of route. But he was, he was open. I mean,
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Speaker 3: they didn't do that. And and dan Quint listen, I
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Speaker 3: think the world of him, and he's a defensive guy.
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Speaker 3: But their defense last night. Give the Sea Owks credit.
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Speaker 3: But at Washington's defense last night wasn't there. It wasn't there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, coach, I mean it seems you I look at
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Speaker 5: different numbers and try to get information so I can
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Speaker 5: ask you guys semi decent questions from time to time,
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Speaker 5: and yet it didn't.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not working.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I got more things to look at there's
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Speaker 5: billions of websites and I'm bound to stumble upon one
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Speaker 5: that gives me a good question. But I mean, just
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Speaker 5: looking at some of the PFF numbers, I mean he
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Speaker 5: is pretty much lights out across the middle, short stuff
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Speaker 5: across the middle. I know that there's complaints around here
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Speaker 5: for a long time with Russell that maybe you couldn't
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Speaker 5: see that area or whatever it was. Is there anything
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Speaker 5: in particular that allows him to be as successful as
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Speaker 5: he is, because there was a couple third downs while
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Speaker 5: he was in the middle of that sixteen for sixteen
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Speaker 5: streak that he just you know, hooked up with Aj.
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Speaker 3: Barner, I know was one of them.
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Speaker 5: There was one I think ken Walker coming out of
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Speaker 5: the backfield where he just sees it well or reads
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Speaker 5: it well or is it scheme oriented, because it does
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Speaker 5: seem like those are just kind of quick, you know,
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Speaker 5: dump off passes, but they end up turning into some
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Speaker 5: decent yards after catch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think that's the thing that impresses
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Speaker 3: me too, Bucky. I think he he understands the US
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Speaker 3: plant anticipates, he understands what the route is, where your
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Speaker 3: guys are. You know, I've said it I've said it
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Speaker 3: many times that you have a pre snap read. Okay,
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Speaker 3: this is what the coverage I think they're in. This
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Speaker 3: is my progression one, two, three, four, five, whatever it is.
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Speaker 3: Now you take one step away from the center and move.
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Speaker 3: So it's not the coverage you thought it was going
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Speaker 3: to be, but it's this coverage and it changes your progression. Now.
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Speaker 3: That takes some time in a system to learn that
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Speaker 3: and be efficient in that. But I see him doing that,
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Speaker 3: and you know, being with Qubiac before maybe being a
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Speaker 3: little familiar with the system, but that takes experience, and
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Speaker 3: he's he's just in that zone right now where he's
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Speaker 3: making those decisions, you know, based on what he sees
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Speaker 3: and is really smart and he's delivering the ball in
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Speaker 3: time and he's very accurate with his passes.
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Speaker 4: I'll say, Mike Hombrin, Hugh Millan with us, who you
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Speaker 4: are Monday morning quarterbacking after last night's thirty eight fourteen
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Speaker 4: blowout win in DC against the Washington Commanders, And I
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Speaker 4: do need to ask you about you brought up Dan
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Speaker 4: Quinn the decision to keep Jaden Daniels in at the
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Speaker 4: end of the game. I didn't think it was all
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Speaker 4: that big of a deal, coach. But this morning, a
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Speaker 4: lot of people, commanders, fans, a lot of analysts believe
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Speaker 4: that he should have never been in and exposed to
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Speaker 4: injury there at the end of the game.
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Speaker 2: How would you have.
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Speaker 4: Handled the blowout loss and whether or not Jayden Daniels
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Speaker 4: should be playing with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would have taken him out. I
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Speaker 3: have done that. I did that. I did that would
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Speaker 3: hassle back against the Steelers one year. You know, we
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Speaker 3: weren't getting anywhere, you know, and I just we couldn't
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Speaker 3: protect very well that particular day, and I said, I
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Speaker 3: pulled him out. Now, he was a little upset, you know,
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Speaker 3: as you can imagine, but I said, listen, I'm doing
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Speaker 3: this for your own good. Just take it easy to
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Speaker 3: get out of here, you know. And uh so I've
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Speaker 3: done that, and I would. You know, it always comes
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Speaker 3: back to haunt you when the kid gets hurt. And
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Speaker 3: he got hurt, I mean, and so and he they
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Speaker 3: need him, They need that player at quarterback to have
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Speaker 3: a chance. And so I understand why people would the
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Speaker 3: fans of the of the team would would be upset
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Speaker 3: with that because he he could have taken him out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he Mike, he could have taken him out.
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Speaker 2: Would you take your crew tea to rise it to
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Speaker 2: the level that you think that that was some type
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Speaker 2: of egregious mistake by dan Quinn. And and I don't
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Speaker 2: want to repeat all the numbers, but in the prior hour,
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Speaker 2: just just in the last five years, in situations like
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Speaker 2: what we saw last night, under eight minutes, a deficit
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Speaker 2: of thirty one or more points, I got twenty nine
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Speaker 2: starters that took at least one pass attempt. There's some
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Speaker 2: of the luminaries of the game, including Tom Brady and
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Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger and Jared Goff and many other Pro Bowls
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Speaker 2: guys where other coaches have had their guys, you know,
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Speaker 2: ostensibly in the game to try and get some continuity.
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Speaker 2: We know it's a blowout, but let's maybe let's maybe
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Speaker 2: get a touchdown or get something going at the end
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Speaker 2: of the game so we feel a little better about ourselves.
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Speaker 2: And so there's many, many, you know, dozens of examples
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Speaker 2: where other coaches have done that. So while you would
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Speaker 2: not have done that, would again your critique lie at
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Speaker 2: rise of the level. No, dan Quinn made a big mistake.
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Speaker 2: That quarterback should have never been in that game. Where
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Speaker 2: are you in that regard?
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not to the end of that that's strong,
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Speaker 3: but I would have taken him out. I would have
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Speaker 3: taken him out. But you know, I mean, every coach
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Speaker 3: has to make that decision. And you bring up a
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Speaker 3: good point if they could get something going then on money,
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Speaker 3: you say, okay, we can do this, but we played
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Speaker 3: a lousy first half, but this is how we can
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Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, I guess you could make that point
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Speaker 3: on Monday, But when you lose the player, Believe me,
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Speaker 3: he's going to be thinking about it. Dan's going to
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Speaker 3: be thinking about it. Now, what should I have done?
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Speaker 3: And you know he might in the press conference what
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Speaker 3: they know we wanted to do with the things you mentioned,
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Speaker 3: get some continuity, But down deep inside, he's gone, boy,
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Speaker 3: I should have taken him out.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess in hindsight it definitely he's
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Speaker 5: wishing that he had at this point too. I am
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Speaker 5: when you're watching this, I mean that game was impressive,
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Speaker 5: the way in which Bang Bang Bang. I mean, the
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Speaker 5: offense just went down the field and opened up a
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Speaker 5: really big lead, and yet the defense it was a
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Speaker 5: can of whoop boss.
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Speaker 3: They opened it right up.
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Speaker 5: I mean, but the defense also was kind of stifling,
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Speaker 5: and it did look like they had Jayden Daniels kind
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Speaker 5: of guessing what was going on coverage wise. I mean,
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Speaker 5: are you at this point, about the halfway point in
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Speaker 5: the season, is impressed with Mike McDonald and what he's
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Speaker 5: doing on the defensive side as much as you are
18:31
Speaker 5: the offense right now, you.
18:33
Speaker 3: Know, But he's doing a great job hockey and that's
18:35
Speaker 3: that's his deal. I mean, he's the head coach, but
18:37
Speaker 3: he's also the defensive in essence, the defensive coordinates his defense.
18:41
Speaker 3: They are playing lights and they've had injuries. They're playing
18:45
Speaker 3: with different guys in the secondary now and they're stepping
18:48
Speaker 3: up and making plays. But they're front and the different
18:51
Speaker 3: looks that that they're giving the opponent and the effort
18:58
Speaker 3: and that the intensity it's give give Mike a lot
19:02
Speaker 3: of credit. Give this defense in there. I think they're
19:04
Speaker 3: getting better. It's impressive to me. Now there's a couple
19:08
Speaker 3: of tests that are gonna come up to rams, you know,
19:10
Speaker 3: a better football team. You got to play the forty
19:13
Speaker 3: nine ers again. But I was looking at the schedule
19:15
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm checking off things that I think, Yeah,
19:18
Speaker 3: they should win this one, this shouldn't, and it's looking
19:20
Speaker 3: pretty good for him.
19:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's It's as if having a quarterback go perfect
19:25
Speaker 4: in the first half of four touchdown passes and scoring
19:28
Speaker 4: two touchdowns thanks to a fumbled kick return in nine
19:31
Speaker 4: seconds are beneficial to victory.
19:35
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gathering from this meeting of minds.
19:38
Speaker 3: Here my.
19:41
Speaker 2: Hugh Millon, Mike holmgrin with us.
19:42
Speaker 4: It's Monday Morning Quarterback, and we got a lot more
19:45
Speaker 4: to discuss. I want to get Hughes thoughts on and
19:49
Speaker 4: coaches on, Nick even Wari as well. We haven't even
19:52
Speaker 4: discussed him with our experts here this morning. A lot
19:55
Speaker 4: of other ground to cover will continue with Monday Morning Quarterback.
19:58
Speaker 4: Next on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM, Seattle.
20:03
Speaker 3: Right back at it.
20:05
Speaker 2: Darnold nine of nine on the night, takes.
20:07
Speaker 5: Another shot and it's caught by a royal to the touchdown.
20:12
Speaker 5: Elijah Arroyo with his first NFL touchdown.
20:20
Speaker 2: Mike Rico on the call last night NBC. That put
20:23
Speaker 2: it up twenty one to nothing at that point.
20:25
Speaker 4: And as you said earlier, it was over. It was
20:28
Speaker 4: over At that point. The Seahawks roll to a thirty
20:30
Speaker 4: eight to fourteen went over the Washington Commanders on Sunday
20:33
Speaker 4: Night Football to move to six and two on the year.
20:36
Speaker 4: And we have, of course brought back to the radio
20:40
Speaker 4: program this morning. I mean analysts that are just really
20:43
Speaker 4: damn good, Hugh Melling, Mike Holmgren both with us. It's amazing,
20:48
Speaker 4: Like the same idiot that hired me somehow got these
20:51
Speaker 4: two guys on.
20:52
Speaker 5: Our Yeah, well they're nice and they're nice and then yeah,
20:57
Speaker 5: the guy that hired news yea sucker consistent for me.
21:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so, uh.
21:04
Speaker 4: I do want to ask coach about Nick Emon worry
21:07
Speaker 4: But I was thinking about Hugh last night. Heugh, when
21:11
Speaker 4: Emon Worri lifted Deebo Samuel off the ground with one
21:15
Speaker 4: arm while trying to defend a blocker with his left arm,
21:20
Speaker 4: I'm like, that is a play.
21:22
Speaker 2: Hugh Millon loves am I right about that? Well, if
21:25
Speaker 2: if you don't love that play, then then you don't
21:29
Speaker 2: love football. Just I mean, just you know, just go
21:31
Speaker 2: go play watch soccer, because that that is Mike. That
21:36
Speaker 2: that was a term when I first started playing you
21:39
Speaker 2: football and as a nine year old, the term was
21:41
Speaker 2: a stick like that was the ultimate compliment. Okay, that's
21:45
Speaker 2: a stick and uh, you know when when you have
21:48
Speaker 2: a tackle like that, was that that was a stick.
21:50
Speaker 3: Uh.
21:51
Speaker 2: He showed his real range in that one. Yeah, just unbelievable.
21:56
Speaker 3: Coach. No, he is, he's you know, and and he's
22:00
Speaker 3: the position he plays and they can use him in
22:01
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways, I think, which fits right
22:05
Speaker 3: into what Mike likes to do on defense. But yeah,
22:08
Speaker 3: he's big, fast, he's got it all. And uh, you know,
22:12
Speaker 3: we were seeing him a little bit earlier. I think
22:14
Speaker 3: he got nicked up in the beginning of the season,
22:16
Speaker 3: didn't he He did, yes, yeah, yeah, so but now
22:20
Speaker 3: he's Yeah, he has a lot and the flexibility of
22:26
Speaker 3: what he can do in the positions he can play
22:28
Speaker 3: in that defense really makes the defense that much better.
22:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and let's let's just kind of review that
22:36
Speaker 2: for everybody last night, because I made a big deal
22:39
Speaker 2: chucking buck with you guys about Hey, how are they
22:43
Speaker 2: going to to use him now that Witherspoon is back.
22:47
Speaker 2: Witherspoon had been the nickel, right, Mike, I thought, you
22:51
Speaker 2: know you were you were talking from the day of
22:53
Speaker 2: the draft. Hey, Witherspoon loved the player, beautiful competitor. He's
22:59
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty one. And if you want to
23:01
Speaker 2: stick him in the slot and play, let him play hardball.
23:05
Speaker 2: You know at some point there's gonna be a wear
23:06
Speaker 2: and tear there. So now you acquire Nick and Worry. Okay,
23:09
Speaker 2: So emm and Worry. Fifty seven snaps last night, all
23:13
Speaker 2: in the slot except for two. Only two of fifty
23:16
Speaker 2: seven was he half safety, which I think is the
23:19
Speaker 2: right usage of him. I think he's a much better
23:21
Speaker 2: near the line of scrimmage. Witherspoon had thirty three plays
23:26
Speaker 2: out wide, about half and half, and only five in
23:29
Speaker 2: the slot, so exactly what we discussed about the usage.
23:34
Speaker 2: Let's get Witherspoon outside where at his frame he we
23:40
Speaker 2: can at least keep him healthy. And then now I
23:43
Speaker 2: was wrong. I thought they'd play more dime, Mike, I've
23:46
Speaker 2: only got him for four plays of dime. I thought
23:48
Speaker 2: it might be closer to ten or twelve, where they'd
23:52
Speaker 2: have Witherspoon as one overhang defender and even Worry is another.
23:56
Speaker 2: Maybe there just wasn't enough situations for it, But into it,
24:00
Speaker 2: I think it's bears in kind of almost a reporting sense, uh,
24:04
Speaker 2: you know, an update to what they're doing personnel wise.
24:07
Speaker 3: Might Yeah, and I think I think because whether Summer
24:11
Speaker 3: is coming off injury, you know, he he probably could
24:15
Speaker 3: have played more, but you can kind of ease him
24:17
Speaker 3: back into it, at least the numbers wise. And yeah,
24:21
Speaker 3: he's he's outside. That's where I want to see him
24:23
Speaker 3: play outside. But then they bring him on blitzes and
24:25
Speaker 3: stuff like that, so you know, it just gives them
24:28
Speaker 3: a lot of flexibility. And this it's hard to be
24:32
Speaker 3: a rookie playing I don't care what position you're playing.
24:36
Speaker 3: It's difficult. And he is a young guy who is
24:39
Speaker 3: going to continue to learn, continue to grow and get better. No,
24:43
Speaker 3: but he was a he was a great pick real quick.
24:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know there's look, it's so fun to
24:54
Speaker 2: watch him, right, I mean, he's he's a big, rangy
24:57
Speaker 2: athlete who's fluid in his transition when he he doesn't
25:00
Speaker 2: just have the long speed you know four to three
25:03
Speaker 2: like you ran the combine. He's got short area speed.
25:05
Speaker 2: It's really fun to watch him. But there's you you
25:09
Speaker 2: see you watch the tape and there's signs of him
25:11
Speaker 2: being a rookie. On a toss to his side. He
25:15
Speaker 2: you know, his eyes were at the wrong place. Now
25:17
Speaker 2: he had manned a man, and so he was jolly
25:19
Speaker 2: well make sure that his guy wasn't gonna get open.
25:21
Speaker 2: So so that's that's kind of a rookie he'll he'll
25:24
Speaker 2: learn that. There was another one where they did a
25:26
Speaker 2: fake smoke uh uh screen out to and any and
25:30
Speaker 2: he charged up. But in the coverage that they were in,
25:34
Speaker 2: Witherspoon was playing that flat and and Witherspoon had it
25:38
Speaker 2: because he charged up. There was an easy little slot,
25:40
Speaker 2: the number two. They ran number two Mike on a
25:42
Speaker 2: little stock like he was gonna block, and then just
25:45
Speaker 2: released him like a little pop pass uh to the
25:48
Speaker 2: slot receiver. And you know, they gave up a big
25:50
Speaker 2: completion that way. So there there are signs of his
25:53
Speaker 2: rookie status talking about emon worry that are on the
25:56
Speaker 2: tape in addition to the the you know, the great athlete.
26:00
Speaker 2: So it's ninety five percent great, five percent rookie stuff
26:04
Speaker 2: that he's going to learn on. But the overall thing
26:07
Speaker 2: is is just really exciting.
26:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, his future is bright, no question.
26:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, I mean just the defense in general looks good.
26:16
Speaker 5: He's picking things up quicker than most. There was a
26:18
Speaker 5: little bit of an injury situation. We don't know all
26:21
Speaker 5: the details yet. With Ernest Jones the middle linebacker coach,
26:27
Speaker 5: how important is that not the just middle linebacker of
26:31
Speaker 5: playing the run and occasionally dropping into coverage and whatnot,
26:34
Speaker 5: but the actual signal call er. How important is it
26:37
Speaker 5: if he ends up missing a little bit of time.
26:40
Speaker 3: I think it's very important to their defense. Now they
26:44
Speaker 3: have the ability to show the ability to make up
26:46
Speaker 3: for guys that were hurt. But he is a very
26:49
Speaker 3: very important part of that defense by calling plays and
26:53
Speaker 3: making plays. And when he first came here, you know,
26:56
Speaker 3: it changed anything for the defense right away. And he
26:59
Speaker 3: is just gotten better and better and he's counted on
27:02
Speaker 3: a lot. So you saw the injury, you saw how
27:05
Speaker 3: it happened, and embloy it just makes you WinCE when
27:07
Speaker 3: you look at something like that. I'm hopeful it won't
27:10
Speaker 3: be a long time, but they need him. He's very
27:13
Speaker 3: important and the defense it'll change just a little bit
27:17
Speaker 3: without him in there. I think, Yeah.
27:19
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, mike linebacker, that's a very important position.
27:23
Speaker 4: But to get the right guy for your system like
27:26
Speaker 4: we have Ernest Jones, I mean, he's just it feels
27:29
Speaker 4: ideal for this system, and to lose him, I don't
27:31
Speaker 4: want to really think about that. Who knows, NFL trading
27:34
Speaker 4: deadline tomorrow might be something that they might have to
27:37
Speaker 4: consider just to make sure they got a backup at
27:40
Speaker 4: that spot. I want to ask you both this to
27:43
Speaker 4: close out this segment. One point last night, Chris Collinsworth said, quote,
27:49
Speaker 4: look out America. Seattle is jumping to the front of
27:52
Speaker 4: the line. His way of saying, they're playing as well
27:55
Speaker 4: as anybody in the National Football League. Coach, I know
27:58
Speaker 4: that Washington didn't look all that great, but does that
28:01
Speaker 4: take away from the Seahawks right now? Would you put
28:04
Speaker 4: them in a conversation with anybody playing the best football
28:08
Speaker 4: in the world these days?
28:10
Speaker 3: I would, I absolutely would. You know. I was looking,
28:12
Speaker 3: like I mentioned earlier, the upcoming schedule, kind of checking
28:16
Speaker 3: off you know, I never did this when I was coaching,
28:19
Speaker 3: but I can do it now, checking off the what
28:22
Speaker 3: I think are wins, you know, So that gets them
28:25
Speaker 3: to ten and then then they played five games where
28:28
Speaker 3: they is they split those, so they're gonna win twelve
28:31
Speaker 3: games or thirteen games. They're going to be there, you know,
28:34
Speaker 3: because you look at the other teams with a similar record,
28:37
Speaker 3: and you know they're you say, okay, I'm betting on
28:41
Speaker 3: the Seahawks against that team. And so I think what
28:45
Speaker 3: Chris said was correct, and they have shown to me
28:49
Speaker 3: the improvement as the season has gone along. They're getting
28:52
Speaker 3: better every week.
28:53
Speaker 2: Ye well, the three seed if the playoffs were to
28:57
Speaker 2: start today, was a little bit absurd. But that that
29:00
Speaker 2: that's the status. I would say, there's still a little
29:04
Speaker 2: bit of me that has I want to see how
29:09
Speaker 2: they do against another one of those top half, you know,
29:13
Speaker 2: a handful of teams in the conference. I don't expect
29:18
Speaker 2: a defensive collapse like they had against Tampa Bay. But
29:23
Speaker 2: but you know, I still think there's some shark fins
29:27
Speaker 2: lurking in the waters for the remainder of this sevens.
29:31
Speaker 2: So I'm mostly convinced. But but I think they got
29:34
Speaker 2: to do it against Mike. I think they got to
29:36
Speaker 2: do it against one or two more real quality, you know,
29:40
Speaker 2: top clear playoff teams, and and and and then maybe
29:45
Speaker 2: we can get a teeny bit more excited.
29:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the division, you know, they have to
29:50
Speaker 3: play the ramswice, So those two games, those two games
29:54
Speaker 3: will I think will determine what happens those two games.
29:59
Speaker 3: You're playing on much other guys too, but those two
30:02
Speaker 3: games are the games that would be really interesting to watch.
30:05
Speaker 4: Well, thirteen days from now, they'll face the Rams for
30:07
Speaker 4: the first time in Los Angeles, so we'll know a
30:10
Speaker 4: little bit more about them. Then we've got Mike Holmbri
30:13
Speaker 4: and Hugh Millan. It's Monday Morning Quarterback. One more segment
30:16
Speaker 4: to go Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
30:31
Speaker 2: Bucky just got the little kid and I can't do
30:36
Speaker 2: what I want to do. I'm just gonna rke the face,
30:39
Speaker 2: all right, vital segment.
30:41
Speaker 4: One last thing for coach and for Hugh and so Bucket,
30:45
Speaker 4: let's get it.
30:46
Speaker 2: Started, all right.
30:46
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.
30:48
Speaker 5: Coach a coach Trade deadline tomorrow. We've heard rumors boy
30:54
Speaker 5: Mafe could be being shopped and Riek Wohlan could be
30:58
Speaker 5: getting shopped.
30:59
Speaker 3: I mean there right now.
31:00
Speaker 5: Obviously they've got to be in cell mode thinking about
31:02
Speaker 5: adding and yet these are two names that are kind
31:05
Speaker 5: of linked with possibly they would be okay with moving on?
31:08
Speaker 5: Would that just be ah? They think they could upgrade
31:11
Speaker 5: those two guys, or they would use them to have
31:14
Speaker 5: a big upgrade somewhere. What do you think that they're
31:18
Speaker 5: thinking when it comes to moving on from guys considering
31:20
Speaker 5: where they're at right now in the.
31:21
Speaker 3: Standings, Well, I think John is he likes to be
31:25
Speaker 3: active in these types of situations. But when you do this,
31:30
Speaker 3: you know, I always cautioned our guys when you're making trades,
31:35
Speaker 3: the other guy looks the other guy looks more attractive
31:38
Speaker 3: than the guy you have, and most of the time
31:41
Speaker 3: it doesn't work out that way. But if they plan
31:46
Speaker 3: on doing this at the end of the season, or
31:49
Speaker 3: making a change at the end of the season, then yeah,
31:52
Speaker 3: go after. It wouldn't surprise me at all, particularly was
31:54
Speaker 3: going now that we've seen that. But you know, I
31:59
Speaker 3: don't I'm not a trade guy in the middle of
32:01
Speaker 3: the season, but I wouldn't be surrised at all if
32:04
Speaker 3: John didn't make a trade for that position.
32:08
Speaker 2: He's going to make a trade. He can't help himself, you.
32:10
Speaker 4: Know, He's gonna make a deal to add something. It'll
32:13
Speaker 4: be just strange if he does a couple sell moves
32:16
Speaker 4: and a couple by moves, because all they're all their
32:19
Speaker 4: rumored to do right now is to sell off a
32:22
Speaker 4: couple of pieces, and I know that's not what John
32:25
Speaker 4: Schneider is going to do at a trading deadline.
32:27
Speaker 2: All right, Hugh, what do you got for coach? One
32:29
Speaker 2: last thing? Well, that conversation intrigued me because I have
32:33
Speaker 2: felt pretty adamantly Mike that that given that you're talking
32:39
Speaker 2: about maybe a running to the NFC, I would not
32:42
Speaker 2: want to lose a corner of Reek Wolln's caliber. And
32:47
Speaker 2: you know, even when he was playing, you know, when
32:49
Speaker 2: they play man to man. I mean there's times, you know,
32:52
Speaker 2: the twenty best coverages of the Seahawks this season, Reek
32:57
Speaker 2: William's got at least half of them. You know, he's
33:00
Speaker 2: not the consistent, he's not the physical guy. I understand
33:03
Speaker 2: why they're there. There'd be a good reason why they'd
33:05
Speaker 2: move on at the end of the year, but for this, uh,
33:09
Speaker 2: this pushing in Mafe. You know last night he was
33:12
Speaker 2: the edge edge on the right side on a on
33:15
Speaker 2: a gap scheme played Mike the backside guard pulled and
33:19
Speaker 2: he's got to close down hard and be physically He
33:21
Speaker 2: tried to run around the block, which I know Mike
33:25
Speaker 2: McDonald hates that, so so I get it. Why maybe
33:28
Speaker 2: there's some guys you say, well or he's not. They're
33:31
Speaker 2: not long term. But given where you are, uh and
33:35
Speaker 2: and everything we're talking about trying to make a run,
33:37
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to see either one of those guys leave,
33:40
Speaker 2: if for no other reasons than depth.
33:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that you make a very good point.
33:44
Speaker 3: You know, I just think, uh with Woolen, you know,
33:49
Speaker 3: expectations were so high after his rookie year and it
33:53
Speaker 3: just hasn't kind of gone that way. And so that's
33:58
Speaker 3: the only reason I think he's even in the mix here, right,
34:01
Speaker 3: But you know what, you know, Chuck thinks John's gonna
34:05
Speaker 3: do something. I think they're aren't probably state put, but
34:10
Speaker 3: it wouldn't surprise me. Like you said, John likes to
34:13
Speaker 3: move around.
34:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, uh Hugh the Ernest Jones thing. Worry that
34:17
Speaker 4: you the day before trade deadline. Maybe you're a lower
34:21
Speaker 4: inside linebacker.
34:22
Speaker 2: You know, when when the knee bends that way. I'm
34:24
Speaker 2: not a doctor, but I've had on the m c
34:26
Speaker 2: l uh spraying of grade two Mike, and and when
34:30
Speaker 2: that ankle goes, you know outside and the knee kind
34:33
Speaker 2: of is not bent, uh hyper extended, but it's in it.
34:38
Speaker 2: It puts a strain on the inside of the of
34:41
Speaker 2: the knee right where that m c L is, and
34:43
Speaker 2: I bet she has a Grade two m c L.
34:46
Speaker 2: And he misses this week but comes back the phone,
34:49
Speaker 2: maybe maybe with the knee brace against the Rams, that's
34:51
Speaker 2: his former team. You know, he's gonna want to play
34:53
Speaker 2: and he's vital, so that might be the proud of course,
34:56
Speaker 2: but it kind of looks like a grade two m CL.
34:58
Speaker 3: There to me. Yeah, I think I think to go
35:02
Speaker 3: out and get another linebacker right now. I think Travis
35:04
Speaker 3: Knight came in and played very well, led cave and tackles,
35:07
Speaker 3: you know, so they they have I think they feel
35:10
Speaker 3: pretty good about guys coming in in the secondary and
35:14
Speaker 3: at linebacker, but they need him. I hope it's not
35:18
Speaker 3: too long, but you know, it looked kind of nasty,
35:21
Speaker 3: but he when I'm reading today, they don't anticipate a
35:26
Speaker 3: real lengthy miss miss. But he'll miss a couple of
35:30
Speaker 3: games or a game, all right.
35:31
Speaker 4: I one last thing for both of you. Actually, I'm
35:34
Speaker 4: going to close with both of you. So apparently so
35:37
Speaker 4: Sam Donald is sixteen for sixteen at halftime, and someone
35:42
Speaker 4: in the locker room and Sam would not reveal who
35:44
Speaker 4: it was mentioned that he had not thrown an incomplete
35:48
Speaker 4: pass yet, and apparently that guy is on the poop
35:53
Speaker 4: list right now with Sam Donald and Sam's teammates. I
35:58
Speaker 4: did not know this was the thing I knew in baseball.
36:01
Speaker 4: You didn't talk about a no hitter. But is that
36:04
Speaker 4: a thing? And how does a coach and a quarterback
36:07
Speaker 4: who who has actually been on a sixteen for sixteen streak,
36:11
Speaker 4: how do you react if somebody dares to mention that
36:15
Speaker 4: they haven't thrown an incomplete pass yet.
36:18
Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, I want to take it first.
36:20
Speaker 3: You okay?
36:21
Speaker 2: No, No, Mike, No, I see to you always.
36:26
Speaker 3: I think I think they're making as much a you
36:29
Speaker 3: about nothing. You know, he came out the second half
36:32
Speaker 3: and he even said he didn't even know how, He
36:35
Speaker 3: didn't even know he had a streak going. I kind
36:37
Speaker 3: of believe him, you know, it was going good, but
36:39
Speaker 3: he didn't know it was that clean. But have they
36:43
Speaker 3: I'd like to know who told him. If I'm the
36:46
Speaker 3: coach and that let me know who told you. I
36:50
Speaker 3: can't tell you. You're telling me who told you? Right now?
36:53
Speaker 3: Tell me, you know? So then i'd handle that guy
36:57
Speaker 3: and we'd have a little bit of a talk, you know.
37:00
Speaker 2: So it is I had mine going. I think I
37:03
Speaker 2: was maybe ten eleven into it, and I'm like, I
37:06
Speaker 2: don't think I've had an incompletion. But but there wasn't
37:09
Speaker 2: anybody telling me any thing about that. But I would
37:15
Speaker 2: I would wonder, hang on if if he was told
37:19
Speaker 2: at halftime they're not handing out, uh, the the stat
37:26
Speaker 2: sheets now unless a coach mentioned it. I kind of think, Mike,
37:30
Speaker 2: I have a strong suspicion somebody peaked on their phone
37:35
Speaker 2: and I might have seen it on a on a
37:37
Speaker 2: you know, a Twitter, or or just some text or whatever.
37:40
Speaker 2: There might have been a little bit of of a
37:44
Speaker 2: fibbing with the rules with respect to how that information
37:48
Speaker 2: was acquired. I might be wrong. Maybe a coach said
37:50
Speaker 2: something to somebody, but they don't usually do that.
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Speaker 3: No, But the thing is, now, See when I was
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Speaker 3: I had ten or eleven coaches on my so I
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Speaker 3: I knew exactly who to look for. Now they have
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Speaker 3: twenty six or twenty seven coaches. So that number twenty
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Speaker 3: six or twenty seventh coach he's trying to get in
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Speaker 3: with Sam Darnold. Hey, I just saw this, don't tell
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Speaker 3: me buddy, you're doing fine. Maybe I can move up
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Speaker 3: to twenty two.
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Speaker 4: You know, well, whoever was, somebody's getting fine in the
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Speaker 4: kangaroo court. We're you know, strapped to a poll. And
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Speaker 4: have you know footballs thrown at their you know, their
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Speaker 4: mid section.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's gonna put Yeah, somebody needs crickets thrown into
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Speaker 2: their room and let them deal with crickets all night.
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Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, excellent stuff, Thank you very much. As always,
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Speaker 3: All right, thanks you guys.
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