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Ep. 231: The Pied Piper of Duck Hunters · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: you stand with on X. Uh, you're honest? How um
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you talk about what's written in your hand,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. You're gonna get an enormous amount
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  Speaker 1: of feedback. That's fine, a lot of like what you
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  Speaker 1: really ought to do, and what I would do and
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  Speaker 1: what he's doing wrong. There was a fello in town
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  Speaker 1: from Tennessee visiting my brother in law. He found out
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  Speaker 1: that I've got a blue tick that you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking to do some training with. And uh, he just
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  Speaker 1: had to meet me to give me my give me
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  Speaker 1: his two cents about the whole situation, which I did,
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  Speaker 1: and it was great. It was informative. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: runs plots for bears there in Tennessee. But uh, you
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  Speaker 1: know I was I was glad to take it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about it and uh, I'll read some
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  Speaker 1: emails what's written on his hand coon c O and meaning,
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  Speaker 1: here's all, here's all not a trapper. I have never
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  Speaker 1: and all my experience with trappers, I have never met
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  Speaker 1: a trapper who was at risk of forgetting to check
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  Speaker 1: his traps. Uh, that's all they think about. They'd be
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  Speaker 1: like writing, breathe, don't forget to breathe on your hand.
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  Speaker 1: But Yanni had to remind himself to go see if
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  Speaker 1: he's got a coon. Yeah. Well, mostly because right now
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  Speaker 1: we're very essentially located between my home and where this
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  Speaker 1: trap in your trap, and I don't want to get home.
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  Speaker 1: And then I had to turn around and drive an
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  Speaker 1: extra fifteen minutes the other direction to go hopefully get
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  Speaker 1: my raccoon in. Uh. And you need the raccoon for
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce Mangus the Blue t the blue Tike
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  Speaker 1: hound dog to a raccoon. If you want to give
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  Speaker 1: Yanni some valuable feedback, tell him that he named his
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  Speaker 1: dog all wrong. Mingus. We could have named it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a disease. Did you like? Did you hear Yanni
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  Speaker 1: got Mingus real bad? That's what I could picture saying
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  Speaker 1: to somebody. Most of the world really likes that name.
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  Speaker 1: It's a musician right, Yeah, Charles Mingus plays jazz, used
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  Speaker 1: to play jazz? What happened to him? Died? That's a
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  Speaker 1: good name origin here in in our home state here. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you raccoons are nine game. They're not listened as a
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  Speaker 1: fur bear. It's kind of gloves off on raccoons. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: same with rabbits, squirrels, or at least the fox squirrels.
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  Speaker 1: And your goal here in the end is to have
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  Speaker 1: a versatile hunting dog, no hound dog, versatile hound dog.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see he's very birdie on the grouse, very and
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  Speaker 1: he's not ranging too far, which could be a problem
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  Speaker 1: because exactly he needs to be able to cut loose
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  Speaker 1: and go on a you know, tour and by himself
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  Speaker 1: for two, three or four hours sometimes. But I mean
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  Speaker 1: when we've been running trails, he's not ranging too far.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's been doing good. But I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you when he gets on a hot deer track, he's
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  Speaker 1: got no problem ranging and going out of out of
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, audible range. I'm curious about your level
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  Speaker 1: of bloodthirstiness here. Um, let's say that the dog is
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  Speaker 1: super good, isn't. Let's say he does like to run
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  Speaker 1: ount lions, he likes to run coons. Do you picture
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  Speaker 1: becoming a recreational runner? Are you gonna be killing everything
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  Speaker 1: at trees and you're just gonna have all kind of
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  Speaker 1: dead raccoons laying around. Oh, for the raccoons, it would
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  Speaker 1: just be like a little thing. You go out and
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  Speaker 1: that would be something in the in the in the middle,
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  Speaker 1: I imagine. I mean if someone's if someone wants to hide,
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  Speaker 1: as someone who wants to shoot the cone and wants
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  Speaker 1: to hide, then sure it, we'll shoot him. And how
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  Speaker 1: many lions? Because a lot of lions because a killing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Jake's got one in a decade, even
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  Speaker 1: though he treats some teen of him a year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he put up I think close to thirty this winter.
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  Speaker 1: I never shot at one of them. The other day,
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  Speaker 1: I we're still eating it. I was down in New Mexican.
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  Speaker 1: We had a thing called Freedo Pie. You guys know
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  Speaker 1: what Friedo Pious going to introduce yourself, Tell people what
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  Speaker 1: Friedo Pious. This is our special guest. I've only seen
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  Speaker 1: him at Sonic back home. Freedo Pie with Freedo's and
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  Speaker 1: chili and cheap. So yeah, just a little bit, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit closer to the mic and sell your name
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  Speaker 1: Rampy Russell and say what you like to do killed duck. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Where do you call freed o poe?
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  Speaker 1: Somehow I don't understand. I never knew it existed. Hold
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  Speaker 1: and tell me again. It's friedos with what corn chips, chili,
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  Speaker 1: cheese onion town pains. Yeah, so I was down to
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico and they made chili with he made like elk.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, people New Mexico get all hopped up
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  Speaker 1: about it, like yeah, it's like, oh my hats chili's
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  Speaker 1: and no, and they made very good New Mexican style
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  Speaker 1: chili in a pot and you bring that out hunting
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  Speaker 1: with you just in a tupperware, and then you got
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  Speaker 1: cheese onions, hallapeenos whatnot. And you take a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: fried o a corn chips and like cereal in a bowl,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of putting milk on it, you dump chili
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  Speaker 1: on it. Instead of putting sugar on that, you put
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  Speaker 1: hallapenos and cheese and whatnot on there, and scallions on.
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  Speaker 1: Like how I didn't know about that is embarrassing. But
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  Speaker 1: you certainly had just made it with mountain lions. Since
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  Speaker 1: I got home. You've certainly had chili with corn chips
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  Speaker 1: in it. I've put corn chips on it. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what this is. It's it's not like a sprint. It's
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  Speaker 1: like the relationship between the chili ratio. That's what you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to say. The ratio between the chili and the
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  Speaker 1: corn chips is that of cereal and milk, not that
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  Speaker 1: of between clam chowder and oyster crackers. So I made
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  Speaker 1: a giant batch that with the last Mountain lion I
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  Speaker 1: had that still said two thousand seventeen on the package.
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  Speaker 1: I braised it down. Yeah, I think I've got one left. No,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't from the one. It was one of the
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  Speaker 1: Pete gave you know what, No, because mine's two thoev
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  Speaker 1: I had my last bag on my own and I
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  Speaker 1: had something that Pete gave me. God, this suffing is good, though, man.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think i'd be letting those lions run. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't plan on let I won't let them all go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a long way from there. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's not have a lot of work to do before
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  Speaker 1: we had to make those kind of decisions. Get a
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  Speaker 1: little ahead of you on that one. Although Mark George,
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening, Jake said, you know what you ought
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  Speaker 1: to do. You need to call your buddy over there
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  Speaker 1: in Washington, who's treating more lines than anybody I know
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  Speaker 1: because he's he's doing it for the government. You can't
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  Speaker 1: even run hounds anymore in Washington, but he's working for
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  Speaker 1: the government doing all kinds of research. And where most houndsmen,
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know you're doing really well if you're
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  Speaker 1: like Jake and you're putting up you know, um, twenty
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  Speaker 1: five or so. But this guy, he is putting up
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  Speaker 1: twenty in a month. He's like, you need to just
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  Speaker 1: take mangus out there, do some government work and just
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  Speaker 1: hang out with with him for a week, he says.
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  Speaker 1: Because what Jake keeps telling me, he's like, somewhere between
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  Speaker 1: seven and twelve I think those were the numbers. Somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in that range is where your your dog is gonna
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  Speaker 1: either get it and be like finished and ready to
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  Speaker 1: roll on his own or tree lions. Oh then years, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that's also where they die. Seven and twelve
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  Speaker 1: tread lions to where if he's gonna get it or
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  Speaker 1: she they've got it. And they can go on their
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  Speaker 1: own if they If they don't, then he's like, I'll
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  Speaker 1: probably start to get worried and start to think about
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  Speaker 1: moving that dog onto somebody that's not gonna hunt him. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he had a dog get killed by lion this year,
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  Speaker 1: bit it right in the head. Yeah, what's crazy is
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  Speaker 1: that after that those dogs, man, they have such a
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  Speaker 1: one track my when they're when they have that smell
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  Speaker 1: in their nose. After that, when he came up to
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  Speaker 1: the dog, he didn't know yet what had happened, and
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  Speaker 1: the dogs still going on the trail because after that
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  Speaker 1: the line had jumped and got intreated like a couple
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards down the rich or whatever by the other dog,
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  Speaker 1: and the one that had been bitten is still working
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  Speaker 1: the track. And then but then he kind of started
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  Speaker 1: looking a little closer and realized, you know, she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: quite quite right. But yeah, it doesn't happen often. But
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  Speaker 1: I've been really warned by my family, my girls that
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  Speaker 1: that goes down with me. Gus, I'm gonna have hell
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  Speaker 1: to pay. I don't know if you remember, but Floyd
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  Speaker 1: down in Arizona, those guys were telling us a story
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  Speaker 1: about tree in a lion that was in a tree
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  Speaker 1: on top of a rock spire, which you could picture
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  Speaker 1: down Arizona, right, like some juniper or whatever like with
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  Speaker 1: its roots like grown into the cracks of a rock. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: it's in such a position, and the dogs somehow got
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  Speaker 1: up there, but they got out there in the dark,
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  Speaker 1: and they couldn't get up there with the dogs. And
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  Speaker 1: the dogs are on the rock spire with a lion
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  Speaker 1: in a tree. They came back in the morning in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night that dog had come down,
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  Speaker 1: or the lion had come down, killed both the dogs,
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  Speaker 1: ate one of them and went about its business making
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  Speaker 1: lemonade or you know, lemonade. You know what I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to say. Uh, Karane got her ass handed to her.
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  Speaker 1: Kran went, Kran went spouting off at the mouth about
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  Speaker 1: GM strawberries. I never used that expression. And the more
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  Speaker 1: I think, I don't really know, Like I get it,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't really get it, like uh, implying that
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  Speaker 1: it was detached. I mean, like right, I think it
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  Speaker 1: means that maybe like you got it whooped? How would that?
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  Speaker 1: Where would that come from? Like we had this conversation yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: someone said a similar conversation yesterday where someone said we
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  Speaker 1: we had a small part of an idea and we
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  Speaker 1: were agreeing in a meeting to expand upon the idea,
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  Speaker 1: and someone said, well, let's flesh it out now. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: One thing you could be saying like, Okay, here's this
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  Speaker 1: skeleton of an idea and we will add flesh onto it, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to make it grow. That's that doesn't seem like what
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  Speaker 1: they're getting at. When you flesh something, you're reducing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're taking a hide and scraping it clean. I think
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  Speaker 1: that to say to flesh an idea out would be
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  Speaker 1: that you have this big, cumbersome, ill formed, over ideated
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  Speaker 1: idea you're scraping the grid. To flesh it out would
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  Speaker 1: mean that you're gonna reduce it down to like a
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  Speaker 1: crystalline clear idea. Handing asses to people I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Um I got her ass hands to her about a
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  Speaker 1: off comment she made about GMO strawberries. Who's really got
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  Speaker 1: people riled up? And there's two that were shared with me,
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  Speaker 1: and they show that the breadth of you know, the
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  Speaker 1: breadth of personalities that we speak to on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Because one is very polite and he's like, sorry for
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  Speaker 1: the grant, but this is the most common fallacy, and
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  Speaker 1: on and on, and I always opened up. I always
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  Speaker 1: believe in sharing information and we can all grow together
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  Speaker 1: and healing and hearing. And then another guy, uh, where's
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  Speaker 1: the one that he writes in the other guys subject
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  Speaker 1: line stop your nonsense, dash strawberries and then talk about
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  Speaker 1: how stupid everybody is and how horrible Crim is. So
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  Speaker 1: you could you can pick it up Crim with whatever
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  Speaker 1: whichever these gentlemen, um, whichever these gentlemen, whatever approach you
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  Speaker 1: want to take. You could be like, listen to asshole,
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  Speaker 1: or you could say, um, yeah, in spirit of conversation,
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you what I was talking about. Yeah, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: I take I take the latter approach. Um yeah. If
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  Speaker 1: I stand to be corrected, then I stand to be corrected.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I think that in the spirit of not
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  Speaker 1: replicating and putting out information that is not backed up
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  Speaker 1: or that is not correct, that's our spirits, our spirit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and um yeah, there's if it's like emphatically said with
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  Speaker 1: a little grumble and a little I what's his name?
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  Speaker 1: I won't share his name. I hear you, I hear
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  Speaker 1: the guy I am, I hear you, and I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: that you wrote in what I was referring to, and
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  Speaker 1: I I stand corrected. Um, oh you're not gonna double down? No,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm probably wrong. I mean, I, yeah, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: done all the extensive research because a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: wrote in you aren't alone. Um, a lot of folks
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  Speaker 1: wrote in. One thing that was interesting to me was
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  Speaker 1: I gotta set the scene a little bit better seen setting.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about how is it that you can
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  Speaker 1: have such a giant bad like where does Costco get
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  Speaker 1: these gigantic strawberries that don't taste like anything? Why are
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  Speaker 1: they so big? Why do they look so good and
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  Speaker 1: taste so bad? And why is it that you can't
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  Speaker 1: grow a bad strawberry in your garden? Like you can't.
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  Speaker 1: I've never picked a strawberry in someone's garden. It wasn't like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's a strawberry. And thank you to the I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was a PhD student who who wrote in and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thanks Bob, and offer had some answers about that, and
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  Speaker 1: we can probably go into that later. Let we cover
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  Speaker 1: that while you're prepared to talk about the GMO Commentarin's
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  Speaker 1: response was something about how it's probably something to do
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  Speaker 1: with GM on right right, fish right. So there is
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  Speaker 1: a there is there is a two thousand article your
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  Speaker 1: two thousand from the New York Times. I've also seen
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  Speaker 1: some other things floating out there on the internet, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously we have to be very careful with what sources
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  Speaker 1: we pay attention to. UM. But I had not revisited
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  Speaker 1: this topic for years before I said what I said
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  Speaker 1: on the last podcast, and so the information that I
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  Speaker 1: had downloaded into my brain that I was walking around
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  Speaker 1: with was that one of the reasons why we have
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  Speaker 1: large strawberries that's remain frost resistant um or they I
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  Speaker 1: should say they stay fresh and beautiful and plump looking
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  Speaker 1: for so long that it seems unknap roll is because
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  Speaker 1: they are a strain. A part of this I might
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  Speaker 1: be using the incorrect terminology here, uh, A gene from
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  Speaker 1: or a protein from arctic char combine with the strawberry
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  Speaker 1: actually makes the strawberry frost resistant and helps to preserve
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  Speaker 1: it for longer. Tall you scientists out there, I hope
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  Speaker 1: that um, that was a kind of basic but and
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  Speaker 1: but apparently that's not true. What hopefully we get a
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  Speaker 1: lot more people writing in about this. What I have
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  Speaker 1: seen is that stuff like that does exist. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there are scientists testing gene hybridization to make some fruits
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  Speaker 1: or vegetables taste a certain way or to extend the
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  Speaker 1: freshness of like. It's not that this doesn't exist. And
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  Speaker 1: so actually, maybe I should call up our listener who
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  Speaker 1: wrote in and have a conversation about this and get
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  Speaker 1: and kind of flesh flesh it out, flesh it down,
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  Speaker 1: and report. Yeah, I think that would be very helpful.
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  Speaker 1: But from the f d A dot gov site that
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  Speaker 1: he sent in the email, it says GMO crops animal
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  Speaker 1: food and beyond the question is what GMO crops are
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  Speaker 1: grown and sold in the United States? And they are corn, soybean, cotton, potato, papaya,
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  Speaker 1: summer squash. Hold on, let me just make sure that
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  Speaker 1: there aren't like fifty seven things alfalfa, apple, sugar beet,
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  Speaker 1: and that's it. And strawberry, GMO strawberry has been approved.
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  Speaker 1: What he does go on to say is people shop
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  Speaker 1: with their eyes and they don't shop with their taste.
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  Speaker 1: And he says that when you go into the store
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  Speaker 1: and see if some giant strawberry, all they're going for
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  Speaker 1: is they're going for it has a pop to your
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  Speaker 1: eye and it has to be rugged and handle well
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  Speaker 1: and lasts a long time. And so there's different ways
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  Speaker 1: that they control the nutrients availability and when you pick
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  Speaker 1: it and all this um that you get that that
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  Speaker 1: ruggedness and eye popping bigness and no one cares they taste.
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  Speaker 1: Like do you have any strawberries popping in your garden
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  Speaker 1: right now? Yeah? But they don't last. The kids eat them,
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  Speaker 1: stop buying, steal something. Well, if you stap by, you'll
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  Speaker 1: like get one. They check them real frequently. They're in
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  Speaker 1: there all the time, and they've taken eating the carrots,
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  Speaker 1: which are not like big long pinkies. UM. I have
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  Speaker 1: a very very very close person to me who I
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  Speaker 1: can't name because he works for an agency. UM, and
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  Speaker 1: he needs be tiptoey about when he's speaking for who
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  Speaker 1: and what. He was like, Oh, he goes, uh, you
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  Speaker 1: could get a rid of GMO stuff. You better plan
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  Speaker 1: on starving off about a third of the planet. But
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. UM. I have just at this me speaking personally,
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  Speaker 1: I have zero, like zero problem with GMO stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll point out that there's never been anyone that could
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  Speaker 1: prove and any thing that would get scholarly consensus that
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  Speaker 1: there is a health implication from eating GMO foods. There's
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  Speaker 1: just not as up as off putting as that is
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  Speaker 1: the people because people want to hate them so bad. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's nothing. It's a pretty robust dialogue, though,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you say please, HANSI I like earlier you introduce yourself, Hans,
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  Speaker 1: you've never been on the show before, Ramsey our guests said,
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  Speaker 1: HANSI like Fonzie. I never thought of that. That's an
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  Speaker 1: easy way to easy way to remember it. Okay, give
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  Speaker 1: me your take on the robust dialogue. I have meaning
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  Speaker 1: GMO not like what GMO does, two crop systems, how
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  Speaker 1: it affects irrigation, pesticide, use herbicide, like none of that crap. No,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're I mean, I think you're on the
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  Speaker 1: money with with saying there's no like verifiable way to
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  Speaker 1: say this is what it does. Right, But it's only
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  Speaker 1: been around so long, right, I mean we're talking we're
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: not talking about like breeding like different crops and splicing
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: different kind of crops together, like one kind of apple
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: with another kind of apple. As the GMO it's a
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: genetically modified it seems like the dialogue is more talking
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: about like marker assisted selection or some of these like
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: really specific ways of genetically modifying, which I mean, how
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: long have those been around? Like, how do you do
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: any multigenerational studies on that kind of thing? I don't know.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I don't have the answer about it. Seems like that's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a that's awesome question, meaning the assumption is there that
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: someone will turn something bad up, like you're bad ahead
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of time? No. No, but the downstream consequences exist, right,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: we just don't know what they are yet, So how
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: do we how do we even ask a good scientific question?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: You know, how do we do the scientific method if
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we can't ask a good question yet? Likewise, I think
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: that it's you're in the same situation when you want
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to say that they're bad totally. I agree. I'm just
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: saying that the dialogue is good. It's a good like
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: good ethical debate going on here. I don't think it's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: as good of a debate is why why are the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: strawberries at Costco tastes like dogshit? That's a real questions. Uh,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: couple other quick things I need to give a if
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: a Father's Days shout out to a guy named Dylan shrupka.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: This is for Father's Day, um, Happy Father's Day of
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Dylan Trupica. And also we have a thing we gotta
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: talk about real quick. We've we've come on the radar
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of the ASSID movement, and the ASSID movement is uh.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: You can break down the ass movement for me as
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: stands for anti surface shitting. And it's been a while
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: since I've read this letter that we've gotten a lot
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of do you want one of these? Do you oppose
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: people just going into the woods and and defecating on
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the surface and not digging a cat hole cover your ship?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So there you remember you can find the anti surface
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: shitting um that you can find what's their social media
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: handle at the guy's in the last name is Booze. Interestingly,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: at the ASSID movement, So that's at the underscore A
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: underscore s underscore s. Can you check this n underscore movement?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Can you say that again? The asked movement, the anti
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: surface shitting movement trying to instruct people, inspire people, um too,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: uh not defecate just out in the woods and leave
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: their toilet paper blowing in the breeze. Yeah, that and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and this fellas um I think He lives and recreates
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: on the Kenai Peninsulas of Alaska, and he said it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if the fire fighting fire or hunting or fishing.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: He just says it's out of control. He says he
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: sees way too much of this shit in quotes. Um,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it's a real problem and there needs to be awareness
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: around it. And which is why we talked about it
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the other day on the podcast, about doing about what
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: our proper protocol was. That's what inspired this. His last
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: name is legitimately Booze. I just want to change my
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: last name to Fever Steve her But now I'm jealous
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of Booze. That's that's real cute. And you don't like
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: my dog's name of Mangus. Huh know if my name
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is Steve Fever by birth? So U Karrant, can you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: double check them getting this right? On Instagram? Yeah? It is?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: How many followers? Oh, hold on, I was gonna reach
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: down the ass movement on Instagram? Well, they were just
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: established in and uh they've got one thousand, one eighty
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: three uh followers at the moment. So on their Instagram page,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: do you go and post pictures of poops that you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: found in the woods. Let's see. Uh, well, so far,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. I see a lot of stickers
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and Pooh emojis. But I wanted I wanted to point out.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I want to point out I'm on the fire wild
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: dot com and that's in the ASS movement? Is uh
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: is part of this? Well, he's a photographer too, so
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I don't want him mixing business and pleasure here, Okay,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is the ASS movement site for people to coalesce around
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the idea that you should not poop in the woods.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So it's confusing because it's the ASS movement and it's
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the fire wild dot com. Who we are. Fire Wild
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: is a wildland firefighter owned company and brand. Fire Wild
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: owns and established the ASS movement in out of disgust
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and disappointment in seeing the tissue issue on fires, trails
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and all other public lands enjoyed in the great outdoors.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I think that what he should morph. I think that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: he should morph his site into a place where you
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: go to post you know what. We did our river
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: clean up, our river access clean up. I brought latex
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: gloves and I picked up discarded camp money. M hmmmm.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: With my latex gloves on and bagged up discarded camp money.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That's real dedication. Uh. I think he should. It should
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: be a place where you go post pictures of soiled
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: wild lands when you come across evidence of surface scadding.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: There is some of that in here. Mhm. Only one
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: thousand followers. Yeah, is there anybody that would like be
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: counter to this? I mean it seems like such a no,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go pop, but do like, okay, do do
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: do meth heads? Um? Do o our meth heads pro
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: meth or are they just meth heads? Yeah? I'm asking
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what do you think? I haven't met a methad yet
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: who's like got his like pro meth t shirt. Like
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think surface ship ors like methods. They
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: just they can't help it and thought about it. They
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: got trapped up into the lifestyle. I think you're giving
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: them too much credit if you're saying that. I seriously
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like the first time that it came to like at A,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I mean we didn't we We're gonna quite fist fight
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: over it, but there was no another another fellow down
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. We're like a quiet hour long ride back
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to camp because I had seen other signs of surface
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: shitting before we went out into the woods, and I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: talked and mentioned it. I was like, I can't believe that,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you know, And then like we get back to the trucker.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I don't forget. At some point whatever he runs off
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to supposedly go flip a rock, comes back and then
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it gets light and look over and I'm like, hold on,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: is that yours right there? If you talked about it, yeah,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh yeah, like that's how we roll
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: down here. And I don't know Arizona, I don't know
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that in the desert that like you're supposed to like
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: smear it like kind of like to not like disrupt
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: cryptobiotic soil. Yes, that is, but that does not involve
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that's bringing your TP, bringing your TP out, or depending
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on conditions, you could always tort your TP, though there
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: have been I've been trying to get Spencer New Hearts
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to do an article about all the um crazy things
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: have started forest fires. There was a TP burning situation
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that started a big forest fire. There's a situation where
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: some guys are having a gender reveal party. When I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: thought when I heard this story, I in my head
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: thought that it was someone changing their gender and that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: was the party, but it wasn't. It was someone who's yeah,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and A and his buddies filled a tanner right thing
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: with the appropriate colored powder so that he could shoot
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it with his rifle and it would blow up pink
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: or blue and he would find out if he's had
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in a board. I'm not joking. That started a big
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: forest fire. A woman burning love letters her job. She
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: was like a forest service employee burning love letters and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: started a big forest fire. And yeah, and there was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a tepee burning scenario, so be careful burning your TP however, Yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: there are places where he's supposed to smear on rocks.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories about flipping rock. You know
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this happened to Mo fallon Ramsey. You're probably getting concerned
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that we're not even gonna get to you. Don't worry. Um, okay,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: this is a finny story. So we were filming in
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Hawaii years ago and one of our camera guys, Mo,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: he got there earlier or something cause he wanted to surf.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: He's got he's got a rental car, like rents a car,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: rents a surfboard, gets down to the beach. He doesn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: know what to do with his keys, so he finds
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: us like conspicuous, easily identified rock and lifts the rock
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: up and throws the keys under the rock and then
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: goes and surfs. So it gets done surfing, and he
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: comes back up to the rock and flips the rock,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: but there's no keys. He's like, what's been another rock?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: So now he starts getting into a panic, running around
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: flipping all these rocks. None of the rocks look like
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the same rock, goes back, lifts up the rock again
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: no keys. Eventually he realizes that someone had taken a growler,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: had rolled the rock out, took a growler, put the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: rock back, but the growler stuck to the rock, so
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that when Mo put his keys in the the deuce
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: trying to use captured the keys, and when he would
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: lift the rock up, the keys would ride up with
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the rock. And only way later did he finally get
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: around looking and realize the keys. And then he had to,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you know, get them all cleaned up. So next time
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: we run a car in Hawaii, don't lick the keys.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Um Can I just circle back to one thing that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you want to get back into your strawberry problems? Um
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Hans introduced herself. Yeah, I'm a video editor here, HANSI Deschermeyer,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of letters there, but it's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: fanatic and h a n z I Deshermeyer long one.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about that one. And this
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: is your first it's my first podcast. Are you ready? Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: let's hear it. The reason Hans he's in here is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: he's an enthusiastic hunter of ducks fanatic, fanatic And what
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: better conversation for you to participate in than one with
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: our guest Ramsey Russell get ducks proud of? Here? Is
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that clapping for your sag or no flaving to introduced?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: The guests impressed with that? Actually, so you uh tell
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: everybody what you're doing right now. Thirty years ago I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: had heard misinformation. It was misinformation. I wish I wasn't
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: good enough. Shaped U pedal across the country again. But
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago, I was twenty four, much younger, in
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a college roommate, and I rode bicycles from bar Harbor
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Main out to the Olympic Peninsula just because we were young.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It was there thirty years later, there's a stick in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: our spokes. Nobody's traveling with his jobs interrupted. My job's interrupted.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: He calls up and says, hey, let's go spin around
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. Cant and bike. I said,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: let's do it. So you're doing kind of the same thing,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: but you're just interrupting the biking with driving. Yeah, driving
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and just meeting with people and doing things. It's more
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like a day trip. We we drive here, we stopped,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: we stayed for a few days, We spent around and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: bike ride like we're at home, and go the next destiny.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So you stayed an enthusiastic bicyclist over the years, No,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: there's been. There was a long absence when I got
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: busy and we're did some other things. But yeah, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: tried to stay in shape, you know, so I like
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to ride bicycles. You know, think about ride a bicycle
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: versus real working out. I feel like a kid who
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: don't feel like a kid ride a bicycle. I agree,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But it was a it was a heck of a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: summer Stephen that you know, it's it's uh. We were
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: just riding a bicycle and rode across the country and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: had a great time. But I see, I see now
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we're seeing America at fifty miles a day versus eighty
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: miles an hour. It just created this wanderlust. It became
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: manifesting what came later down the road. Uh, what'state? Were
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you born in Mississippi? Was when born and raised? Yep?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I heard I caught you saying earlier. I overheard you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: saying when you're out in the lobby there, that you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: appeared on a TV thing once and they subtitled you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yesh, it's way way back when, uh
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: fIF twenty years ago. It was an outdoor television show
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and everybody had nice accents like yourselves. And they subtitled
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: me and and I was trying to emulate and adopt,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the correct pronunciation of word. I've sents given up,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: but they actually subtitled me. So I'd asked, Hunty, how
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: are y'all gonna subtitle me to? Well? Well, Sam? Also Sam,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: who we heard about you from or through? Yes, Sam's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: our talent. Yeah, said you had a really nice drawl.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: That's a good description. Got a face for radio, and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I accent for Andy Griffith. Um tell people you do
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: for a living? We we really we get ducks. And
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I love to say that. You know when you beat
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: somebody and you say how are you and find? What
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: do you do? I get ducks? Huh? But really we
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: are we We sell international duck hunts. We sell duck
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: hunts on six continents, duck hunting adventures. I should say,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: how come night on seven, I hadn't found any on
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: antarcticle yet? Are there? I don't think so? Too cold? Yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if I'm the edge of it somehow,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: at some point in time, some some plagic you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Australia's about. Australia is about as close as I'm aware,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: maybe Tasmania. I don't know how much close you can
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: get to Antarctica. If there are ducks on an article,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: somebody let me know I'm heading that way. Um so
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you you've personally hunted ducks on six continents? How many
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: kinds of ducks I believe I believe I've shot to?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You know when I include subspecies UM hundred and twelve
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: subspecies of waterfowl plus um let's slay another nine of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the North American Canada geese, so a hundred twenty three subspecies. Yeah,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but the number of North American Canada geese tax on
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: them is keep reducing it. It went from like twenty
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: three to two. I think it's a well it's eleven.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Now you've got you've got Canada geese which are the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: big ones, Cackler geese with the small ones. You've got
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: seven subspecies. So they still accept that. I thought that
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: they keep like you know, like j with genetics, everything
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: either gets more complicated or less complicated, but nothing is
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: stay of the same. I think I think they sub
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: group amenda Canadas and cacklers more for a uh sportsman's list,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: But there really are if you look, there's no there's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of us subpopulation of
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Canada geese. When you get into it there they're they're
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: breeding and their migrations are isolated. I mean, they're just
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: are trying to think of one real quick. The dusky
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Canada goose come down the Pacific Flyaway, the interior start
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: up and it's up in the Arctic and kind of
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: come down to mid towards the Missipi fly Away through
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Ottawa Valley and peel over the James Bay. Population of
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the interiors come from a similar area, but there there
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: they don't overlap. And you see that on band recoveries.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So you've got you've got these little populations of Canada geese,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and whether they're becoming hybridized, who knows. But but now
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I still accept I think they're still accepted to be
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: eleven total subspecies of Canada geese. And you've got all
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: those I need to I need. I need two of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the Pacific ones that I'm aware I need the dusky
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: probably have to go to Copper River, Alaska area to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: get on those good and I need what I believe
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I need is the the Vancouver which is endemic more
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: or less in the breeding area to British Columbia. What uh,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: how did you get? I'm just curious, like, like, uh,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: how'd you even get into the path that would lead
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you to being like an international boy, a world traveling
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: duck guide. I was working for the US federal government.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I went to college want to be a wildlife biologist,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: became a forester, and I wanted, I really I left
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the Deep South to go up north in Canada. To
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: go I wanted to shoot Canada geese, migreater Canada geese,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: real Canada geese, and experienced the prairies. And I went
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and brought some friends. The first trip we I booked
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to Canada was a just a disaster. And anybody's booked
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: enough hunts knows they exist. It's just nothing like, nothing
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: like it was represented to be, and just a complete
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: nutter cluster. And again to do my due diligence and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: met another outfitter in Alberta and brought a few friends,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and the following year a few more in to following
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you're a few morning to call him outside and said, hey,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I'd like you to be my booking agent. I'm like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: what the hell is a booking agent. I'm a government
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a forcer for the US federal government. Pretty explained
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it to me. And I started off just okay, I'll
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: help bring some hunters to this guy. Thanks. Bun out
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: of hand. I mean it just one step, one one.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: It just it just bun out of hand, slowly, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: surely I did. I did not start out say I'm
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt six continents and sell hunts on six continents.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It just happened. So are you still? Are you primarily
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a booking agent? Now? Are you you have your own guy? Now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'm a booking agent. I'm a booking agent. You know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: there's there's so many mental steps and what we do,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and I hate that word booking agent, because there's a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: lot of nefarious ones out there in this business that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: don't do their due diligence, you know, And it's very
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: important to me that that if I'm gonna represent to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you that this hunt is better than some of the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: other ones down there, that I've been there myself, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: but I've been to them all. So we go to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: them and we scout them, and we've gotten off in
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the bushes to where Argentina, for example, we know a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: lot of our outfitters down there. We found them, we
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: developed them. They don't exist online, they don't exist. Purity
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: set through us. And there's some really a pretty amazing hunts.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And I say just in terms of in terms of
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the overall experience when we go hunting, we don't cater
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to five star if you want to five star hunt,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: take your wife to New York or Italy if you
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: want to. You want a real hunting adventure, you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And and and here's how here's how it differentiate, Steve
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is you can go to any of those contents in
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: of those countries we've been to and stay at the Hilton,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: but it's not the Aderbaijan experience. If you stay at
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the Hilton. It's not the the Argentina experience, it's the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: health and experience. Now. I want to see real Argentina
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and that's where that's where we diverge and we we've
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: just cultivated good long term relationships with a lot of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: outfitters um and built the program. My wife and I.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It's very small company. My wife and I handle this
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: side of it, explained to hunt the Legiti just getting
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: me there, picking up the phone, the stations and stuff
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: like that. Uh, this is off subject, Ducks, But do
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you have any hot leads on? What are you laughing about?
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Because I was the old time he's explained. I'm thinking
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Van Steve's gonna ask him where he can go get
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: one of them? Uh turkeys, What a super Slam turkey
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: holder is? You're looking at one, not towards honest when
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: you say super when you say super slam. When you
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: say super Slam, you're not talking to you, Sam. What
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is the sleeper Slam? Then a super Slam turkey holder
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: such as myself? That means you've gotten all five varieties
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of the American wild turkey. Now where can one go
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: from there? Oscillita and ghouls already did Goulds, you'd be
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: looking at a mirror Grand Slam holder. You need the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: oscillity to become the pinnacle of a turkey man. That
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: called what's it called when World Slam turkey holder, at
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: which point I would get my World Sam Turkey holder tattoo.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But meaning like we want to go down Oscillated Turkey's
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: bad is what I'm getting at. But you're to find
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the right I want to I don't want to be
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: shooting a field turkey coming out to some field. I
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: want to be out in the jungle. You want to
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: be in the jungle, And that's what I ficked to say.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: You don't want to stay at the Hilton, No, no,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: you wanna be You wanna be in a tent camp
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: in the jungle, not just where. That's where you xactly
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: want to be and how you hunting? You know, as
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: a non turkey hunter, I've killed pen turkeys in my
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: life and I need to marry him, just show you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: so I can be that guy and you're in your
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: cry owd I love the oscillated turkey are sometimes you
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: can't get him here? Well, well know, but that latest
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: research that came out, didn't you read that email that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Turkey's corrupted. Oh, they're saying that basically all the western
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: United States because of the stocking efforts from thirty years ago.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: There ain't up here one left. There's Hodge Fige the turkeys.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I've got a lead for you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: on the perfect don't say experience. I won't, but I've
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: got I've got the lead and you'll love it. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I love it, and you can't bump us at the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: front of the lines. We want to go to this winter.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: We want to go this winter, March, whatever you want
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: to go. You want to go mid April next year's
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: when you want to go. But when you need to start,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I know, but you need to start getting the range
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: in the jungle. And it's it's a dry you know,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: it's I don't think jungle like lush jungle thing, very
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: dirty jungle, very dry John that ju jule, that's right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You stand jungle and you need a little precipitation that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the cantor start to sing. But if you go too late,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like in May, now you've got all the young birds,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Jake's fighting and everything's torn up. You want to go
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: mid late April and you can hunt them. Uh, of course,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you know, a real true turkey hunter from the South
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to. He wants to call all the men
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and interact with him and bring him in an isolated
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: just he's more like a game bird than a turkey.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Bush whack them well if you can. But but some yeah,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you bush whack them, you know. And everybody said, well,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you know, sneaking up on a turkey and shooting might
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: have trade on sound like much sport. And I'm like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: this is not like shooting in the eastern Turkey in
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a pine plantation after a rain, that kind of stuff,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I know, but it it is, you know. I can
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: remember crashing through the you know, my my guide was
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: as quiet as a as a shadow. And I'm walking
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: behind him, sound like a kid rock concert coming through
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the woods. And I walked the turkey up and he
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: motioned to me to be still and cover up my
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: watch of the reflection one showing the jungle. And then
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: he vanished and it was pitch black dark, and I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: can't see him anywhere, but I can hear, and it's
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: so silent, I can hear sweat coming off my nose
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and hitting the floor. Huh. And he was gone, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: when he came back minutes later and appeared almost screamed.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It scared me to death. I hadn't heard him where
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: he had gone up ahead of the trail to get
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: all the twigs and everything out of the way. That
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: turkey your path. He manicured my past sidlent as a ghost.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: But we also hunt around fruit trees. There's like they
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: got these bigs of pody trees and and uh, the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: native know where they are. Think of it like a
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: fig and it grow occasionally out in the the jungling everything
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in the jungle easia. So the male birds will spin around.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: They know where they are too. They're looking for the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: hens and they're spending around looking. So sometimes you're in
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: a in an elevated blind like a very comfortable little
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: hammock wait waiting on those animals to come in. Or
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes you're hunt the water to ambush them. Yep, and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: they will. Sometimes somebody's outfitters down here will turn on
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: male calls that make that emulate the oscillated electronics that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: provokes them to start calling and become rivalry. Remember, they're
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: like game, they're like game roosters. I don't know that
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the isolated turkeys ever assemble and male and female like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the like the Easterns of the Mirriams. I don't think
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: they do that. I think they still off to themselves
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and fight. And so sometimes they'll they'll get those uh calls,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: going to initiate them an electronic an electronic call or
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: a mouth call electronic call. And I'll tell you one
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: of my favorite, my favorite hunts ever in the world
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was hunting an isolated turkey. And back on the road
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: on the you're saying, you've only killed ten turkeys, but
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: one of them was one of these, two of them roscillateds.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: You got it all backwards. Just take it out to come.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think I just take it out
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it comes, you know. But I do like I like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the hunt. That's what appealed to me. Now you know
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you're fixing to tell me another isolated story. Oh my
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: gosh it it was. So the guy turns on the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: electronic call. The outfit are turned on the electronic call,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm following my guide through the wood for about
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a mine and we're stopping and now he's walking with
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the caller no no, no, electronic call, sitting on the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: run and set it up and the cantor. They call
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it the singing bird starts to sing back. The cantor
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is the turkey? Is the turkey? No? Not that, I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: just no cantour. That's interesting it So we get back
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: here in the wood. You know the cantor is in
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: um at a synagogue, No, HANSI Jewish? N No. But
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: don't they like lead? They lead the prayer basically, Yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: like a cancer comes up and opens the torah? You
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: know what that is? I do you want me to explain?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: You know what the pentitutia is? I wait a second,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: just say no, because the thing that hangs on the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: door that you like the first five books in the Bible? Oh,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: my gosh, what's good? You know? Okay? Yeah, I think
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a cantor comes up and opens the torah the scrolls
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: and start singing out of there. Yeah, so it's one
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: that sings. Oh why am I asking, Hans Karin? This
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: is right in your wheelhouse. You're kind of too much
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: of a heathen. Go on the cantor bird once they
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: use that electronic cow to get that bird in issue aided.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a mile in the woods, and my guys, I
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: can see him. I can see but look, I can't
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: hear the whistle, but I can see him whistling. And
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: now he's making the hand call, and the bird starts
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: getting closer, and we're walking kind of towards a bird,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and about that time he lifts out that sound they
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: make that gobble. We sit and we're liking a little
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: hole in the jungle where a tree it fell at
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: sunshine and heavy grass. I'm sitting down facing this way,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and the turkey is so loud. Now it's making my
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: ear drums rattling. Inside are vibrating, so I know he's cloaks.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: The guy had laid down onto belly all. He's got
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: a cameo shirt. He pulled it up over his head.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: And by the time my ear drums are rattling, he
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: starts pressing me on my back. And this bird's his hammering.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: This is hammering, and he's right here. Do me the noith.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: You can't invitate that. Come come on, it's you. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: can't invitate you again. That's pretty good, okay. Asked me
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to do a noise, asked me to do an impossible notice.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I know, but I can't do. I can't do an
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: oscillated turkey, isn't it's a rattle, it's a it's it's
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: a it's a out. It wasn't nothing like that, not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: like that. It's more prehistoric. So it just bird is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Hammond right here and he's pressing on my back more
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: like a machine gun. I'm countical machine gun. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: but he's right here and this guy's pressing on my back.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, you want me to shoot? I mean maybe
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: if that turkey had kept coming, he'd have been right
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: on the end of my gun barrel about this time.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: This just Jaguar roars no oh yeah from way off,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and the bird shuts up and I can hear him
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: deaf as I am walking away. Well, I don't speak
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I don't speak Spanish, you don't speak English. We get
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: back the road and actually interpreted what was what was
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: he saying? What was he doing? He said, from where
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you were, the turkey was eight feet away. He could
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: he was down under the cover and could see his
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: spurs and see his feet, and he was right there,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and he was scared that you weren't gonna be ready.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: When he stepped out, he'd been right the end of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: your gun barrel. We didn't get him that day. We
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: came back the next morning and ambushed man that was
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: behind the memory. Yeah, you'll love it. That makes me
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: want to go real bad. When we were kids we
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: played World War two, I feel like we'd go like, right,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I can't invitate that. So one of the benefits that
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: haven't extremely um talented engineer named Phil is that Phil
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: will now insert the noise so you can't hear it
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and you can't do it. And I don't know what
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: it is, but Phil is playing it right now. It's perfect.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Uh seduction, lodge sduction. Don't let it happen now. I think.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I think on that particular isolated turkey hunt, you really
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: want the tent camp experience and and and the guys
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: with the lodge is no offense. But they'll say, oh,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: we're only ten miles from the jungle. That's a long wait.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And just because it's ten miles to the jungle, it
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not another ten miles in the jungle.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Go into the jungle, stay in the tent and and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: have the experience. It's it's just it's just to be
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: immersed in that culture and that that environment is just
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: monkey swinging through the trees in the afternoons and the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: maybe the jaguars roaring and walking along, and you see
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: all kinds of Mayan antiquity everywhere. It's just it's just amazing.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: And I am in uh Cren was saying, you had
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: a near death experience as a kid. We did. I would,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I was. I was involved in a home explosion, pretty
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: obvious when I was almost sixteen years old. Had a
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: bird dog that had torn up the back doors and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: was painting it, cleaning the paint brush with some gasolane
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: back up. I understand what the bird dog do. Scratched
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: toring the doors up, scratched the pone and you you
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: gotta sign to you folks want you to repair. Yeah,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: it was my dog and uh so so we went
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and went and painted the painted the doors and uh,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: gasoline with gasoline and the pilots as a thinner of course,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and and uh and and a pilot light ignited the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: gas teams. And what's so crazy is I can remember
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: it well. I can remember the door opening the garage
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and my neighbor coming in and my mom was shrieking,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and I remember pacing up and down around the driveway
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: waiting on the ambulance to get there. And I can
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: remember the ambulance ride to the hospital and telling my
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: mom to call my bust tables at showing these at
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the time. I remember, hey, better call Andy and tell
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: him I'm not gonna make it today. And uh, but
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you were a mess apparently, and uh, but you don't
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: see that. I just remember that. And and I can
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: remember going getting being rolled into the e r and uh,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: can we go back to the explosion for a second. Sure,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: it was like it was like it was like to
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: think of it, like, so the room is It's not
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: that it caught the canon fire. It diffumesnited everything around.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: It was like like a combustion in a card writer phone.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: That's what it was. My neighbor crossed street thought me
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and my brother went to fight. He heard me holler
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and thought we were in a fight. He couldn't hurt
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: my mother hollering, so he come over to break us up.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: It wasn't that, he well he we're brothers, of course
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: we did, you know, don't all brothers. Yeah, and uh,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: but anyway, I can remember. I can remember roll into
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the er, cutting the clothes. I can remember him cutting
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: my clothes off, and I remember his nurse putting a
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: piece of ice in my mouth and how good that tasted.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: That's really the last coherent thought I had for six months.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Six months. Yeah, I was out of it. But you know, um,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: it's not like uh some television show where they load
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: you up with painkillers and no day, you just tough
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: it out. Man, they date day. But those painkillers and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: all that stuff slows down growth, and where you aren't burned,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: they need the skin to cover up where you were. Uh.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: They flew me down to Galveson, Texas, to a shriner's unit.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Um happened on May seventeenth, and I came home started
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: back to school right after Thanksgiving, complete nutter mess. You know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I think, um, to cope with that, humanity has places
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: down beneath consciousness, and I really kind of crawled into
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: a hole. I think. It's like I kind of sort
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of knew what was going on, but I got into
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a place to where I needed to be for a
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: long time. It's like, I know, I know from having
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: revisited that burn unit that the lights were always on.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: It was twenty four hour surveillance and that little unit
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: with whatever it was, a dozen rooms, but I just
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: remember it being dark. You know. It's like I was
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in a dark room the whole time, and um, maybe
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: a year after it happened. You know, you're sorting through
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: those memories of what was real or what was a dream?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: What was going on? And I and I told my mother,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I said, I just remember I remember, like like this,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: this hospital room and all the bright lights before it
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: got dark, and people buzzing in and lights going off,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and and and and I could and and I could
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: see my body bucking when they put them paddles on it. Oh,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: you were that gone. And I looked up at her
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and she was crying. She says, how do you remember that?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: That's the night they brought you in? You died? Huh?
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And they they had told they had told my parents
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I spent six weeks and I see you spent a
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: few weeks, and I see you in Jackson, Mississippi, while
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: they were looking for somewhere to send this guy. And
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: uh it was bad at seventy something percent, and UH
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: hadn't died the night I was brought in eight percent
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: chances revival. And they told my parents should lose his
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: right arm in both his legs if he makes it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: What was when that happens? Let's see you had died.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: What was the what would the autopsy say that you like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: um taking a Uh? Was it just reaction to having
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: seen much burned? It was just burned trauma. So it
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't oregon damage it was it was just it was
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: just burned trauma. I mean, you've got your body, I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: guess an open wound and it's just just trauma. It's
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: just shocked trauma. And I'm sure, I'm sure it affects
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: other other vital organs. I think if you have heart
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: as easy to affects others other organs. And uh, I'm
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: already still know medical expert. And all I tried to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: do is get back on my life when it was over.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: You know holder, you know fifty four your body? Yeah?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Have you had a lot of plastic surgery? No? No, no,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: no reap. I don't know nothing. None of them make
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: it look better. I want a good looking guy to
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: start with. Just uh, I think she I think somewhere
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of seventy some odd skin graphs then
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: and a few a few functional, few functional surgeries, uh afterwards,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: just to get me back on my feet where I
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: could have some mobility. And how was it? And that is,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: once I had the mobility, I was often going like
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: the intergash your bunny, mhmm, you're married, Oh I am.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I've been married for twenty six years dis August three
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: kids started day started dating or nineteen ninety the year
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: we had a little love letter contest going when I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: would biking across the country. Not really, Yeah, did that
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: change your um career path? I'm guessing the girl of
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the you know what that does? Um, you know, I
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: think I think it did. Like close to death, yes,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I think I don't. I've never had anything like that
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: happened to me. I've never even been like super sick.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: But UM, I know that when I meet people that
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: had that, they have a better well. I guess I
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: can lead both ways. I have been fortunate to meet
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: a handful of individuals who have had very serious, like
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: near death experiences, and then they wind up living life
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: UM to the absolute fullest, very deliberately, exactly takes it
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: for granted. Very good, very good word choice. And you know,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's like like a lot of fifteen and
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: sixteen your old kids, I had no purpose, no sense
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: of purpose in life. I mean, who fifteen year old kid?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: You got one thing on your mind, and uh, but yeah,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: you know it, it's after it happened. And that's what man.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: You know, lots going on with a young man at
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: sixteen years old in terms of personal identity and where
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: you're going and what you're thinking. And uh, I think
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: it did change me. I know, I know having gone
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: through that and having come from that place that I wanted, Um,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I wanted to really live. I wanted and that I
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to get the most of the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: second chance. And I knew that at that tender age,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that that this is a second chance, this is barred time,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot I wouldn't have done had I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: died then that I'm announced it's done that, you know,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: since you don't fought him saying and I killed around,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: He say what he'd like to introduce stuff. I say,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I killed ducks, and I do like shoot ducks. But
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: but but what I think of is, you know, I
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: don't call I shot the species. I don't collect them.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I collect experiences. That's what I like. So I think
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I think it really I think it's probably the most
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: life definding moment of my life. I think it's very
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: definitive and having gone through some trauma like it. Were
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: you already a duck hunter when that happened? Uh? No,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I grew I grew up with duck hunters. My grandfather
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: who was my mentor, who was a duck hunter, and
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: um that was at that age. That generation didn't take
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: children hunting. They didn't take five six years old all
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: maybe carried the duck blind on a warm day, and
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: but you weren't hunting, you know. It was his duck
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: camp was a man place. And when you get up
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: to be a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, then you
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: started duck hunting. Gonna Right about the time I was
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: getting into that phase, he retired and his health felt it,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you know, and uh so I missed that part. I
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: heard stories. I saw that it's cleaned, we ate duck,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: we did all that kind of stuff. But but I
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: just missed it. And you know, uh getting through through
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Uh right after high school he died my senior year.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Right after high school, I did duck hunt, but it
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: was just jump shooting wood ducks or scouting for deer.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: And for you flush up some matters. You know they're
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: gonna come back, so you run, gonna get your shot
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: gun and wait on them. Went down to South Texas.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a dear biologist and I wanted
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: to be you know, Jim Crall or Harry Jakes. And
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: that's why I went to miss c eb State University.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: And we show up on his hunter seventh thousand acre ranch,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: free range, uh, growing trophy whitetail deer. And the funny
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: thing happened, you know, that became a job descript from
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: shooting antlers deer and all this kind of stuff. But
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: every time the wind blew out of the north from
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving on, the stock tank would fill up with ducks.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And that began to that began to kind of reconnect
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: me to my roots. And then when I was in
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: college and got invited to go to Arkansas and duck
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: hunt and flooded timber public, the limit was two mallards
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and that that was all she wrote. And there look
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: back at it. Just something happened and I loved it.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I remember those days and being very young when they
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: had the point system mm hmm, and uh, you weren't
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: allowed like five seven mallards? Like can you remember it
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: well enough to explain the point system? Because it came
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: down to them like game boardings, carrying thermometers around and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: putting through miters and ducks, anuses and whatnot. I don't know.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. They may have because because
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: you could tell this, there was a problem you get
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: into about the sequence and what you shot in which
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: you shot your ducks. How is how you count you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: had you you got a hundred points. It's a value
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: system based on the the value of those ducks to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: the federal government, whoever is keeping counting. You go shoot
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: till for ten points, pintails for ten points, mallards for
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: drake for twenty five points. A hand was a hundred.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: So you know, accidentally shot a hundred hundred off the bat,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you were done. So maybe i'll maybe I'll chance that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: he didn't see me and I didn't do this, but
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I heard about it, and you know, may maybe I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: would shoot her first. That's my points because you couldn't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: go You could go over as long as you didn't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: start over. Couldn't Yeah, you couldn't shoot. I could shoot
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: three twenty five point birds and then shoot a hunter
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: point bird and I was done. But if I started
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: off with hunter point bird, I'm done. That's what it was,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and so they would want to know, this is just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the first couple of years I hunted ducks, right, they
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: would want to know at least the pride. Pride wasn't
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what year they did this. We
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: could find out really easily when they switched to the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: point system. But it might have been that I was
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: so little that I wasn't even hunting, just with my
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: old man. Remember, there was always this fear of like,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you couldn't don't risk if you got a hen mallard,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: don't risk because they'll put a thermometer in there and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: tell which those ducks have been dead longer? Right, And
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: that's what kept everyone in check. And when I actually
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: started duck hunting there in Arkansas, it was it was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: right after this adaptive harvest management had started, and it
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: was restricted, restricted management regime, and the limit was two millards,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the limit of two millards that year. And I couldn't
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I say, it's early nineties, didn't marry boy girl or
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: what when you were doing the Texas work where that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: was so but you weren't for the Forest Service, but
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: you also did Texas white tailway. Yeah, we got all
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: our whack, no I was in college and I co
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: opt down in South Texas, about sixty miles from the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Mexican border. Fast ranch man, a couple of Texas old
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: bearings on a hundred seven thousand acres. Is this like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: down in that? What's that famous county? Honey? Dim, South
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Webb County? No, we're thinking of, uh the one we know,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the famous county we know about Maverick County that I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: don't know about. This was down around This was dem
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Webb County area, the brush country, and uh, just just
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of old guys had had some land and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: they had hired a biologist who then turned around and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: hired some of us college kids to co op. Paid
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: a whopping five hundred bucks a month. But it was paradise.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: It was great, best five hundred bucks a month every made. Man.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Those oil guys own a lot of land, own a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: lot of land. Something about it do you blame? Are
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: they interested in it before they become a oil guys?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Or something about being an oil guy makes you want
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: to buy it? Right? I don't know that. I couldn't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: tell you. I think, do you become an oil guy
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: because you want to buy a ranch? Or does does
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. If I could have every ranch
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: every bought by oil guy, I'd have a hell of
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: a property. Oh boy would yeah guy some land buying
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: land buyers. Uh, you told me a little bit about this,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: but I'm still tracking how you got where you are today.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: That you did some hunt with the outfitter. I hunted
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: with an outfitter. I got out of grad school and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: made a career in the federal gument. That that was it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I was a forced you went to graduate school. I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: did forestry State University and uh got an undergraduate wildlife
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: which at the time of forestry because why life management
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: is a biproduct of force of civil culture. Then then
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: got a graduate degree in bottom land hardwood civil culture.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Missisippi State University. Landed the job doing a lot of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: restoration work in the Missisippi Delta with US Fish and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Wildlife Service. Was there for a period of time, went
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: to U s d A. It was in that period
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: of time early on that hey, all of a sudden
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: had a job. But when I broke college kid anymore,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I could afford to go to Canada. So a couple
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: of buddies and I did and we got just it
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: was real bad. And I know I can tell you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the year of nineteen I went up there to hunt
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: the year of n and I know that because that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: was the first year the you shoot twenty snow geess
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: houl of you fitch for okay, yeah, I'm an old
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: way in I can't tell. But anyway that even though
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: we had a right break, so we we go, we
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: go to saskatchewhen we just a hunt. We booked a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: hunt because we wanted to go to Canada hunt, you know,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: myself and a major professor. Um. Then we went to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Albert and started hunting with another outfitter and uh, just
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: like paying clients, paying clients, man, yeah, just paying clients.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: We had jobs and uh and that turned into something's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: like it's like I came up there and a few
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: more people came, and a few more people came, and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I remember the third year I was up there, twenty
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: five clients came to that outfitter out of your word
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: of mouth, out of my word of mouth, and and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: and he realized you're like the pied paper at duck hunters.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: That's for what he said when he he he just said, hey,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: come out here and drink a beer with us. And
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: he comes out and all the staff is sitting there.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: He says, no ramedy. All these guys come up there
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and hunt with us from Mississippi and whoever you talk to,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: and man, they know how to hunt and how to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: shoot and how to tip the guide. There there put
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: pleasure to be around. My boys are always cutting cards
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: or flipping coins to who could take these guys not
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: The guys are not in their heads. And he says,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: we wann't you be my booking agent? And I'm like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: what that what the Mississippians? I have no idea what
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: that is, but yeah, it sounds good and uh and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: and so you know, so how do you so? You
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: were you just you were just socializing the fact that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: you had a good h That's that's all it was,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: was just you know, showing pictures and having a good
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: time and socializing that we were having a good time.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: And people started going. We called an avid duck hunter
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: by them back home. People knew, man, this guy likes
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: to hunt a lot. And uh and I guess I
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: guess they found some credibility and that and started going.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: And you were at that time, you weren't getting like
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: a cut of the action. Now now, I just so
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: when he when he first tells you, we'll go go
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: round up some more guys and bring them up. At
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: that point he's saying it, he said, yeah, let me
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: gonna give you a kickback. Well, let me give you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: a commission. Let me give you a commission for doing this.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: And that inspired me, Well, how do I eat more
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: people than I just personally know? Come up with a
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: web page. And I was doing a little bit of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: waterfoul habitat consultation, little uh controvation easement work at the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: time of writing Baseline reports on as a side gig.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I needed a good idea, needed some way to reach people.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: So I came up with this idea, get ducks dot com.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: And at the time it was there was two clicks.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: There was two clicks click go tow burn to click
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Carle Ramdy about habitat work. And that was it. Oh,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: get ducks was like go get ducks or make ducks. Yeah,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: that was it. That that was it was just man,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it was a long time ago, almost twenty years ago. Now, Steve,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it's uh, we we've been incorporated and it's two thousand three,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and that's a long time ago when uh, you know,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I'm not trying to ask that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: how much money made, but like in percentile points back,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: your first deal was the was the was the That's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: what they did. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: now I'll tell you. I tell you I think part
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: of the reason if we if we go go there,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: uh where to what we're talking about. It it just
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I want to make his point because I really, for
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: some reason, I've been a quote booking agent for nearly
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: two decades, but I despise that term. And because there's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: so many uh, I've got so many clients right now
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: that had gotten in a bad way with a quote
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: booking Asian unque. But they heard enough about us. They
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: called and they booked a trip up and we took
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: care of and everything was good, and they said, holy cow, man,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I torewn him off to him at y'all. You know,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: if I don't know what else to call it but
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: a booking agent. But but that's what we are. But
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: I hate a good booking agent. I hate the standard.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you a very like I don't even
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: know enough to know this. I don't know that's a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: shoddy industry. I think it is. I think all guiding,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: like fishing, hunting, big game is a shoddy because like
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: waterfowler shoddy. I had a guy tell me recently, a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: very big water fowler. He was, uh, that's his life's passion.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: He even studied ducks, big water fowler. He was saying
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: that he feels that his segment of the hunting world
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: is the most corrupt segment the hunting world when it
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: comes to just killing and cheating and killing and cheating
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and wasting and not using your stuff. He's like, it's
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: just he he has a very dim view as a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: water fowler, a career water fowler, has a very dim
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: view of water fowlers, which I would sup was surprising
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: to me. He's like, the things I see come out
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: of my community are worse than things I see come
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: out of any other community. I hope it's cleaning up.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I like to think. I like to think it's cleaning
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: up because I can remember, you know, Argentina is a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: very big destination for us, and I can remember fifteen
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: years ago. Let's say one of the primary questions that
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: somebody inquiring about Argentina would ask, and I mean one
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: of the top questions, how many ducks do I kill?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: And all these years later it's one of they might ask,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: but it's not, it's not it's I think I have
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: seen and perceived, uh, at least with a lot of
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: people that I deal with a change in the hunter's heart.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I think, I really think it's it's shifting more from
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a quantity to a quality. I believe that. I think
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I think there's um. I think there's probably a lot
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of issues any time any time. And I wouldn't say
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: just duck hunting. I think that anytime you take up
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: public resource, be at Elkord or waterfowl, and involve money,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: there there's room for corruptness. I wouldn't I wouldn't hang
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: that on waterfowl though. I think one of the things
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: that leads to is that it's hard. There's a lot
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: of bad days, um and then now and then you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: get yourself into some situations that are just so good.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: I've heard it and saying it, it's so good, and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: you're like a mountain lion that gets into a pasture
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: full of al packas man like you just can't you know,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: It's like a lot of kids turn it off. I understand,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I understand it. But big game hunters, you know, a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: guy will dry from Mississippi or whatever out to Montana
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: and camp and honey for ten days. If you don't
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: get one, that's honey. But it seems like sometimes guys
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: want to go duck hunting and they just expect and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I ought to limit because they're not hunting in their
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: backyard and that that's not reality. You know, ducks don't
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: just fly on command. There's weather in migration and skill
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: set's involved. U did you have like any kind of
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: moral crisis where you said, like this guy comes in
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and you're young and you got a job, or you know,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: you're starting out in a as a federal employee. You
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: know you're not making a presumable, you're not making like
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: some obscene salary, and all of a sudden you can
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: uh get a kickback, get a cut for bringing people in.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Did you have to decide, like you know what I'm
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: gonna do, I'm only gonna book people for really good trips.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Or did you make a mistake or did you just
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: have a moral compass and net's always have served you well?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I think that Um, I think it's about
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I would almost I almost slay a moral compass. I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: had no compunction about selling hunts or selling consulting services
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: or doing something like that, and uh, none whatsoever. It's
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just that, you know, even today, all
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: these years later, my my first obligation is not to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the outfitter. I've got a very good, incredible working relationship
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: with an outfit or anywhere in this world, but he's
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: not my first obligation. The client is. Yeah, I can
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: see that being that's a good way to view it. Man,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: And I think I work for the client and they
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: they're buttering everybody's bread and you know, uh you like that.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I understand that viewpoint. Thank you, and and and it's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: uh but at the end of the day, it's that's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: why we're willing to And it's very difficult. Back when
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: it was early, but especially back when I was still
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: working for the federal government and doing this thing part time,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: it was very difficult to spend money out of my
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: pocket and go on these destinations. And not every destination,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: you see, it's every destination we've been on. We've been
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: on ten to one ratio. That just didn't work out
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: that just this isn't where, this is not what we're
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: looking for, it's not what we want to be a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: part of. Uh it it. But it took that commitment
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: because I feel like, I feel like, if you're gonna
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: trust me to go on a duck huntan I recommend
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: that I need a bet speak personally to it. And
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a retriever, just like a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: blue tick hound. Those relationships and that that working relationship
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: builds over time. If you only get you know, I'm saying, okay,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: so I going home with your camp you Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: you're a goodhunting me sell at hunt. That's not near
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: what it's like ten years, twelve years down the road
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: working out outfitter. You know what this outfitter can do?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: And the good years and the bad years because because
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: ducks don't there's weather, there's different conditions that ducks don't fly,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: you know. And I always say, man, uh, opening day,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: everybody's every guy in the world is as as a
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: is a rock star on opening days. It's the tough days.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: It's those days that the ducks aren't doing what you
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: wanted to do that climbs maybe a little disappointed that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: that the best of the outfitters dig hard. And what
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I say about the best waterfowl outfit and I think
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the same might could be said anywhere in hunting industry.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Is the good outfitters when when you're killing half as much,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: they're working two or three times as hard, not half
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: as much, they're working harder, and that you can build
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: those relationships only over time. Tell me the story about
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: the outfitter that you checked out and it didn't work out.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, Romania we went to that. That was that
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: was That was just the first one. Yeah, give you
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: an idea of what like the not custom what like
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: what not? Cutting the mustard looks like, well, you know,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: we went two or three two or three months back
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: and forth and email to Kepp want me to come
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: over and hunt, and we finally got its sword and Steve,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I've got up that expectation being clear the expectation. He's like,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: come check out my lives and and bring yes. But
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: just getting to the initial visit point was, um, I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: don't know it awkward, tenuous, um, But we were going
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: to Sweden that year. We would gonna swing through Amsterdam
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: and check out Netherlands. Got Netherlands a great hunt. And
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: I've got a group of clients that just have been
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: on some of these regular hunts Argentina, Mexico, wherever, and
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: now they want to go do real rampy ship wishes
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: to say, I want to go somewhere you hadn't even been.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Let's just figure it out together. And I like that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: because now it's not just what I see in this out,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: there's what the clients these tow and they're you know,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: they're up for everything. So we made a client show up.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm serious saying they use
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: you so much. And they get to a point they're like,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I want to go with you to check something out.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Actually it okay, I want to be on the third,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the first, And then you make clear with them that like,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: well you know what that means, right, Like I haven't
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: checked it out. But they're real hunters, Yeah, I mean,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: they're the clients that all guys want to hunt with,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're there for the advention, a good
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: time and actually and that's that's that's that kind of client.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: So we we we were in We're in Sweden and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the next morning we're gonna pick up fly to Romania
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: and um, I get an email in Romanian that is
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: not from my outfitter, and it's saying something I have
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to go Google translate, which is kind of imperfect, and
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I gathered that he's not gonna be there, but everything's
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: everything is in place. I don't like this idea. Scott
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and I talked, we have a drink, we talked more
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: and say let's go check it out. And so we
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: go back and forth and all I can understand in
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Google translated this is the guy's brother or brother in
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: law or somebody. So we we show up and we
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: decide we're gonna check this guy out. We want to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: see who are ride looks like we'll just make a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: good instinct calling like if you if I if I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: said the word Romanian hit man, what would you think?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Because that's exactly who met us. Some guy looks like Yanni. Yeah.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Guy meets us and uh, we get to talking and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: we start indicating him we're we're stopping right here, and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: he hands us a phone. Now, now, this guy speaking
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a little broken English is the guy that wrote me
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: the email. I'm the guy's brother in law, and I'm
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: saying we'll wre the outfit I've been talking to for
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: two months and he's like, well, he can't make it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Something's up. I said, he's he in the hospital? No,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: is he in Is he in prison? No? No, no,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: he's just at the He's just at the police station.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: So so long story short, we make way to the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: to the van and I realized the minute we get
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: out to the van that this is like a legit
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: rental transfer van. I said, okay, I still take a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: picture of the of the of the license plate to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: send him my wife and say, I'm getting in this
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: truck right here. If you don't hear from me in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours, you know, called enter Paul whatever. But
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: we found out he was just a real guy. He
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: he drives us just down the road, introduced his brother,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: and it was just that was all an adventure. The
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: reason it didn't work out. The food was great, the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: host was great, the guys were great. The duck hunting
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: was just terrible. It was just terrible. I mean, we
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: shot thirteen ducks in three days. There was no there's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: just nothing to it. It's just it's just an overshot resource.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: And and we've been you know, we've looked around in
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: different places like that, and sometimes you run into places
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: that just there's just too much hunting pressure. And you know,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: in parts of the world like that, there's nobody they
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: hunt ducks. Brown bears there still that I believe they do,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: but they but they hunt ducks. Their Italian clients hunt
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: ducks hard. There's no bag limit, you know, and and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: so they just in places they shoot too many for
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: it to sustain quality. What are the ducks they have there, mallards,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: gad walls, shovelers, grant, Eurasian green wings, Urisian legions, you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: know a lot of the birds we hunt. One of
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: my favorite places to go right now, it's a little
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: country called Aderbaijan when the Caspian Sea in Turkey and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: how we how we how we founded it is there
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: were some species kind of in that Eurasian area over
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: there I just wanted to encounter. I kept hearing about
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: the Volga River coming through Delta, through the Vulgar River
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: coming through Russia, and as I began to explore it
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: and talk to some resources over there, it was it
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: was it's a fall hunt October. So even if you
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: go over there, even if you time the ducks coming
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: through right and that part of Russia, just dealing with
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: brown ducks. Go shoot a bird of a lifetime, a
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: red crested pochard. He's brown just because I mean because
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: they haven't gotten there. They have they haven't hit that
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: plumage yet. And uh. And it took me a while
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: for it to kind of go through my knife drord
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: and figure this out. But I finally got the one
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: on one day. Where does the Volga River go? It
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: goes to the Campian Sea. And so we began we
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: began to research that area right there, and we found
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: trying to cut the ducks. Later, where are they going
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to overwinter? Instead of going here, Let's catch them in
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: the wintering grounds. And and about three or four years
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: ago we began to put together a little tiny country
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: called Azerbaijan, and it was a very amazing hunt. And
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: I bring it up because to me, it's um. On
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: the one hand, you think of, okay, I'm gonna fly
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: from home. It's distance. But in some sometimes the thing
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: I love about this job it's not just distance, it's time.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: It's almost like I'm stepping into a time machine and
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: going back. Because because these guys are so fundamental duck hunters,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: you need. They still market hunt over there. A lot
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: of my guides are feeding their families or their they're
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: they're they're communities with the ducks we kill, and they
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: are game on absolute great a duck hunters, the good
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: ones are and they're hunting the delta of the Vulgar River.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Well that that would still be in Russia. We're way
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: for the south down in Azerbaijan. In fact, I can
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: put you on the map. We're eight we're the wetlands
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: we've been hunting the past few years. Is eight miles
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: from Iran, Okay, you know. And and one of the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: one of the wetlands we scattered this year. Standing on
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: this this lake Levy, I can look down and see,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: uh see the border crossing for I Ran and uh
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: so it's just by coup if you look it up, beautiful.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Uh we're hunting about we're hunting four or five hours
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: from there. And what's it looks like where you're at.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: It looks like it looks strangely like the Mississippi Delta.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: You know. Uh, my family, I've got family in Greenwood, Mississippi,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: which is the long staple cotton capital of the world,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: self proclaimed and pulling into that little village and I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: can't remember the name of it. But pulling into that
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: little town for the first time, when you come into Greenwood,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: mississipp Be, every entrance, every little four two lane highway
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: coming into the city, there's a big bulletin board with
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: cotton bowls on it. And going into that little town
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: we're hunting there, there's a big banner over the over
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: the entrance with two cotton bowls. It's to be so
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: far from home, from home, it feels so much like
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: home and just termed of the habitat. Then everything gets different.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Similar in latitude. Similar. I'm so close to pulling up
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: me a map of the world and take a look
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: at it, man, because it's it's a I think, I
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: think it's I think it's gonna be a little bit
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: further north of our latitude. However, as are digging in here, man,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: digging in well. I had to look it up on
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: the map the first time too. To help people out
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: get more rat I'm trying to find that. I'm trying
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: to steer people in from Lavia. So if you go
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: to Turkey, if you go up to the confluence of Turkey, Iraq,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Syria and Iran, and then shoot a little off over
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: towards the northeast. That's azure Baijan on the Caspian Sea,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: which is not a salt water body of water, believe not.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: The Caspian, say, is the largest freshwater body. When you
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: stand on the banks, it's like looking at the Gulf
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: of Mexico. But it's the largest freshwater body on Earth.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: And that town by Coust is out on the little peninsula. Yeah,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: and it it It is such a such an incredible cities.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Like you walk around town and you walk by a
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Ferrari dealership in a Lamborghini dealership. We don't have those
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: in Mississippi, you know. Is it remote though, the parts
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: where you hunt. Yeah, it's just a little little little
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: farming communities. We hunt and there's it's like the basin
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: we've been hunt in the past few years. Is I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: understand it and as I perceive it to be looking
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: at it, it's like a hunter style nacred full capacity
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: agricultural storage redivorce water. It catches a lot of watershed
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: uh seasonally and uh and then they used to irrigate
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: fields around and and you can just tell by the
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: by the by the habitat you can tell by the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: cover type that it is. It's ephemeral at times, at
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: least parts of it are. And uh, but it's just
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: it's just amazing. And what made me think of talking
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: about that when you start asking about species is you know,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: one of the most iconic waterfowl species in America the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: matter duck. But that duck's found everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: That there's ducks and and and every word is you
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: hunt the Pakistan at everybody's jon sweet, there a trophy.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: They're the price, just like they are here. They're the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: big duck. Big duck tastes good, lots of them they do.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: But what do you think, Steve, what do you think
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: the number one favorite duck in the Northern Hemisphere of
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: all the countries I've been to that have them, what
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: do you think that the favorite duck on table is
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: green wing till? Every country I've ever been to that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: has green winged till, that's the one that's one you want,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: that's the one they want, And we weed a lot
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: of them over there. But what I'm gonna say about
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Adabai John, I went there to find red crested pochards,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: tufted ducks, common shell ducks, uh, Friginus, poachards, things of
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that nature that you're just not gonna find anywhere else
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: that that I found yet. And when you're saying poetrads,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: you mean like the family of h that's their common name, bluebills,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: canvas backs. Their genius would be a thea. But but
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: their poetrage is what their name was. And they were
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: just these really cool spacies. Don't ask me how it's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: not it's not okay because I know that word to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: be basically all your good tasting divers. Yeah, well, the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: diver duck, the poetard family, and uh, but we went
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: over there looking for those specific species red crested potard
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: with with just a real unicorn species for me, and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: uh but what what what I loved about it was
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: we shot a lot of Eurasian visions. We shot a
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: lot of Eurasian green wing tail. We shot a lot
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: of mallards, gadwalls, Shelterer's pintails, and those mallards just like
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: our mallards, just like ours. Oh, just you call them
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: in I I don't leave home in the Northern Hemisphere
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: or hardly anywhere without a matter call, matter calling, you know,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I used it down in Argentina to call in Rosie
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Bill poetry, just by growling into it like a like
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: a uh, just you growl into it like like it
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: would call for scop or red heads or anything else.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: And it was so crazy because hunting the first time
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: a hunter and at by John was just amazing. I
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect right here in this blind
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: as well built. I'm by myself and my my my
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: little del my bird boy and uh and he's he's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: good eyes. And uh. The first time I saw those
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: red crested pochards, I didn't see the orange is head.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I just I saw the blackbird with the white wing
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: bard that instinctively reminded me of Rosie bill poachers down
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: in Argentina, same genus. And I grab my call and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: growled into it, and they heard the call and they
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: just right into the decoys. I don't know to this day,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the adraba John word is for
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: red crested postarge, because every time he sees one, he
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: just he makes the sound a deal and grabbed, grabbing
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: my call and call to him. We're in this tiny
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: little p rod, looking you've got enough room to sit
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: your decoys, your blind bag, you shot gun. He's standing
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: in the back, push poland through the march, through the march.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Those boats they use, I think of it like a
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: twelve fourteen foot sized p row blind bag because everything
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: we need in that in that little boat and off
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: we go. And it's silent and it's stealthy, and you
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: hear the ducks and the bird life around you when
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: you go in. And uh, if you push it far
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: enough in the weeds and get it in that can's right.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: It makes a great shooting platform. But the guides don't
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: speak any English. And I've learned that Google translate. It's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: good for yes, no hungry. It don't work translating for
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: us having a conversation. And this year one of my
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: one of my clients was saying, man, I've just really
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: disappointed this guy to speak English. Blah blah blah blah
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: blah blah. I go, you're a duck hunter and he's
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: a duck hunter, and you don't need that. You don't.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: We don't have a conversation like Steve. We just I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: mean you just you know what to do as a
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: duck hunter. Man. You know, my life is a Crayola
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: box of colors and cultures and creeds and races and religions.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: But the times I saw them, we're all just duck hunters.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: And that that's one of the most beautiful things about
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: what we do to me, is just to meet a
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: guy and and form A guy in Agriba John, a
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: guy in Argentina and they're real hunters and this relationship
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: forms and it's but no no spoken word, no common words,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: just hand signs and sick. We know what to do.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: And that's just a very rewarding aspect of it all.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: When you when you're traveling like that, um, how like
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: when you're going into customs and stuff, Oh boy, and
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: they're like, what are you doing? Like I'm here to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: hunt ducks? No, I mean, I mean no, heck, now
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: what are you doing them? I'm a tourist. I'm a tourist.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean do they do? They do? Have you done
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: the ducks and countries that have no regulatory system, no
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: hunting licenses? Uh? Not that I'm aware. Not, I'm aware
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: everyone has some form of regulatory but but now, yes,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: yes they do. But but I do I do say
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: and um, and I've talked about this before, you know, America, Canada, well,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: the North American model, Australia, New Zealand. There's a lot
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: of parts of the world that are black and white. Man,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: We in America are blessed with black and white the laws,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: and they're they're sent out and they're published, and we
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: all know. We all know, if we can read, we
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: know what the laws are. But you get into other
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: parts of the world, it can be gray. It can
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: be gray. You know some of these some of the
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: in fights I've been on. You know, I'm to a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: point right now. There's places in the world I'd like
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: to go hunting down in Southeast Asia. I know, to
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: go to North Korea, I'm probably gonna have to know
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: somebody pretty high at the food chain to get into
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: North Korea and feel comfortable about it. But I'd love
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: to go. And now, then they got good duck hunt
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: in North Korea. I bet they do. Yeah, I bet
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: I bet they're somewhere. They got some good ducks and
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: got some species we're not gonna find anywhere else, you know.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: But but you know, it's gotten to the point is
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: I get invice, I get contacted by people. You know,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I've I've just got you know, two or three fingers worth.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: A question I've got to ask, is hunting legal? It's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: the species's legal? Or is me holding a gun? Believes
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: you can't hold a gun. You can't. You can't hold down.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: There's countries that that's a real big deal, you know.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: And and and so I started asking these questions. I've
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: been invited, you know, come to Japan. I got invited
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: to come to Japan. What is there's no legal hunting.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I've been invited to go to Turkey. There there's big
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: game hunting. There's not bird hunting. I've been invited to
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: go to the Bahamas. The Cuban whistlers and the white
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: chin pentels are protected. You can't go there, you know,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the grayness of laws. We would go, uh,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: spearfish in the Bahamas. My brother goes there for quite
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: a bit, and uh, you can just use a sling.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: You can't use like a gun. You know. But he
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: did a lot of work because he never could get
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: the straight answer. So he works and works and works
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: to get like the REGs right, Like what are the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: rules might not be any well, there are, but when
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: you express them to the people down there, they're like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as that rule. Right. It's like, dude,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you that, I'm looking at it right here,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: like here's the rule. Like, no, man, you fish where
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: you want. Man, it's like it's your rule, dude, Like
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm tell you you cannot on these certain islands. You
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: cannot spear fish within whatever two yards ashore or something
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: like that. And they like almost act like hostile to
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: the idea and like how big how big a spiny
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: libs are supposed to be? Yeah, no, mine, you keep
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: what you want. Nobody nobody's probably enforcing it down there. No,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: They're like, dude, don't even They're like they don't want
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: to go down that path of talking about there being
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: rules about this ship. You know, you guys gotta borrow
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: a gun everywhere right now, I uh, someplace you have to.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: You know, Peru has some weird issues where you can't
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: bring guns and we use their's. Uh but as you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: by John am I saying that right? Yeah, no, no,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: it usual it's easy bringing a gun into a or
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: by John as it is Canada. Yeah it was. It
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: was just easy bringing firearms into Pakistan. It wasn't your
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: own m or your own gun into Pakistan. I cannot remember.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: We got the permit for AMO. Where you run into
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: a problem bringing your own AMMO is weight restrictings and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: airline rules. If you can get a permit for the firearm,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: you can get a permit for the gammo. But where
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: you run into problems is airlines allow eleven pounds and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: then they've got restrictings on just how much you grow
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: poundies can be bringing bringing bags anyway, So that that
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: and that gets a little iffy. But bringing guns was
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: that you know, the craziest thing about going part that's
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: why clarify Like the part that I wonderbout with guns
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: is like that some countries. I could just picture countries
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: having not enough demand from international travelers trying to bring
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: in firearms that they ever bothered to set up a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: system by which it's done, like doing in Mexico. We
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: dude every year. But it's a nightmare. I mean, they
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: put together a system, but it's a very very clumsy
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: system that takes How long do you have to start
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: ahead of time? Honey? Uh? Well yeah, we just turned
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: in our information for next January's hunt and it's it's uh,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and on a beercrat in June. Yeah, so
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: in June, laying the groundwork to bring a gun into
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Mexico in January. I don't know how our client to
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: do it in parts of Mexico where we're flying to
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: hermu Cleo, but if you can give me that information
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: within two weeks, three weeks, our outfitter to get to
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: permit for you. The guy we the guy we go
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: with like, he runs an extremely tight ship. He's very organized.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: It doesn't like surprises. Nobody likes surprises. When you're traveling hunting,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: nobody likes surprises. Yeah, speaking of I had a client
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: one time that was one of those clients I wanted
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: to go do real, real stuff. So we were on
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the Mongolia and uh, as I was talking to him,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: I said, well, you might just want to meet me
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: over there. I think I'm gonna stop in China and
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: they gotta send me to to our visa. I don't
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: need to get a visa permit through the consulate, and um,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop there and go see the Wall of China,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: which was abilt to keep the Mongols out of Hina. Hey,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I want to go do that too, and we're both
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: fine with farms, so we were talking to uh, the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: gal over there to arrange this, and we've gone back
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: and forth for months, like you said, to get this
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: farm and all this kind of paperwork good, And um,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I call him as I'm going to the airport that
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm fixing to leave to go to the airport, I
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: don't have my farm permit for China. It's just it's
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: just a little temporary passed through permit. And I calm up,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: say I need his per and this paperwork just to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: have it. Go. No, no, no, you don't need it.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Mary Wayne's gonna meet you with it. I said, yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I get I get that she's gonna be our tour
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: guy and she's gonna have my paperwork. But I I've
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: been I've been through this this show before. I feel
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: comfortable just having it on my person. And we went
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: back and forth, and finally I said, you know, I'm
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: not bored in the fly without my permit. Ding ding
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: ding ding ding. It tumps over the factory seen and
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: as we're coming in through if we were coming in
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: through the temporary visa line. It took for ever three
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: hours and the lady new to ask us do we
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: have any paperwork? And I and I'm showing every piece
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: of paperwork. I've got to include my farm permit, scoes.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: You're bringing guns, yes, ma'am, that was it. Yououl sent
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: us on through and we get and there's our guns,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: and there's our luggage, and there's everything else, and I
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: read my tech instead you're supposed to meet Mary Wang
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: and baggage. So we just started proceeding towards the exit,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: and we've got all our luggage and I'm sitting there
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: just looking at the the guard to whoever he is.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: The guy at customs looking at the computer monitor of
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: everything coming through X ray. He may have been slump
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: in his chair a little bit. In a minute he
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: saw guns. Boy did he get straight. And he started
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: talking loud, and everybody started talking loud, and I just
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: got off. You know, we've been traveling for thirty hours,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of washing the situation unfold. And
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: somebody comes out of the back, followed by a crowd
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: of people coming out of back, all talking a lout
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: of the nuts coming my way and looking at the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: picture on the screen, and I tell the guy, women said,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know how this is gonna go. So they
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: very politely hurt us up and they're all talking, man,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: and they carries back this little tiny room's modeling this
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: studio from modeling this little room here, and it's got
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: to like school desk with a steal ball where they
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: could put a still bar across your lap and lock
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: you in. And I'm like, boy, don't sit down, you
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: know what. Every and in the room they've got this
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: little chair like a little jail chair, like a little
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: jail chair. But they didn't ask us to sit it.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: But the room is getting more and more and more
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: and more people and they're all trying to tapen their shouting.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: And he's sitting the chair. I'm not saying what I'm saying,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: but I'm trying to understand that you're doing anything but
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: sitting in the sitting the chair if one were to
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: and they swing a bar over and lock it and
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: you're stuck in your chair they lock it and getting
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: insane and I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm kind
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: of I'm on the verge of cracking a sweat like this.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: This this ship is going down heal quick because these
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: people are i mean, going at it and I'm I'm trying,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: but Nelly got my shotgun. We've got a rifle, uh,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: just a little rim fire rifle. And I'm trying to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: get over here to get my hands on my permit.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: It's like, see they got the gun case opening. Boy,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: they're getting agitated and I'm trying to get my permit.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: And I mean it's like they're breaking into kung fu
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: dances and everything. You know, here's a guy with here's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: goying their country with a firearm, trying to get out
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And finally I just make a dash. I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: grabbed my paperwork. I fairly open. I have it to
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: the guy to yelling the loudest and and and he
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: says something loud and it's just hush falls over the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: room and somebody comes up and what do you know?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: They speaking minutes ago? Do you have a translator? I go,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: yess or he said, call her on the phone. So
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I called Mary Waane and she comes back there. In
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: the minute she walks in. It all starts again, and
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: then everything gets calm, and she says, everything's fine. The
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: lady that lets you in through the send me two hours.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: She was supposed to notify the police and notify t
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: s A and she did not have said so what now,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: I said. He said, oh, she's going to elder she's fired.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I said, no, I mean what about us? And he said, oh,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be here. We're gonna be here a while,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: so settling. You know, when we're there for four hours,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: we went up one of the time we landed in
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Beijing with those firearms. Over that, over that one misunderstanding
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: until the time we exited to go to go to
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: the hotel with nine or ten hours, and I asked
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: the client, how you like this? Like this part of
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: the job. So then you roll out into the streets
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: of Beijing and you got a semi auto shotgun. Oh
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: heck no, you leave them at the airport, and we
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: we gave them. We put those in police custody. They
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: locked them up under lock and came we signed for him.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Now we're in the streets of Beijing. And you know,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: I was told you before going to China that I
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: love Chinese food. I would have said, they know it,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: eg food, young and spring rolls. Night. I've been to China.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like. I like, I like Pee King Duck,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: like American Chinese. I must I do not like the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: real thing. I found out because of what. I don't know.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I know, if we go to some restaurant and are
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: he just clambers on and on and on and on
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: about the about the pork something at this particular restaurant.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: So we all open it would say, both of us
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: and her ordered this this dish, and I take a bite,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: taste it kind of like taste it kind of like
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: the little brown stink bait smelled all fermented stuff something,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: and I drink a little cocolda and try it again.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, I don't like this. I found that
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: and everything I tried over there was just but the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: pee king duck. I lived on peeking duck. We found
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: a restaurant with peeking duck and we had it duck
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: every night. Because you like ducks. I do like duck.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: And if wild duck tasted as good probably or had
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: as much fat content as peeking duck, they like to
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: be extinct. You know what you're saying that everybody go,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: you got like some of the same ducks keep popping up,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: like different versions of the same ducks. Do you ducks
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: act like ducks? I mean it's like, yeah, people, the
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: hunt ducks over the world over. The decoy spread deco,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: spread blind calls jeck old somewhere, and they don't hunt
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: ducks where they have no that. They have a completely
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: different way they hunt ducks. And you have to be like,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: you know what works good, you know, is to put
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: out decoys and build a blind. Now it it's kind
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: of the way the games played is with decoys. So
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: people figure that out the world over. That's that's the
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: way they figure out the world over. But I'm gonna
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you as somebody that's traveled the sane
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: and hunted around the world. On the one hand, I
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: believe that American hunters are the most passionate, the most dedicated.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: We have elevated every aspect of duck hunting. The art form,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: the camo, the guns, the m everything, everything is state
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: of the line, technological art. And you really don't need
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: that shoot a duck. You really don't need some of
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: that shoot a duck. And I go back to at
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: everybody on the fundamentals where they're hunting not with us,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: but for themselves to feed their family. They're literally hunting
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: pop bottles over soda bottles, putting painted up black paint
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: or I found I found the spread, this year, there
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: was nothing but old rocks. Bought a different bottle with
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: wool socks over them and just put out and they
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: put them out in the right place and the right
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: formation and hunt them at the right times, and they
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: killed ducks and feed their families and they're they're, they're
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: they're just very very traditional hunters. It's like honey, way
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: back in time, and and that I really uh and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: it's like, uh, oh is you know, I've got a
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: two year old son, my oldest, twenty year old son,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: my youngest. But they they're at a totally different stage
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: of the game and I can remember, you know, they're
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: they're really really at a different a different motivation at
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: that age than I am at an older age now.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: And uh, to me, a lot of clients or a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: lot of duck hunters, the merit or the breakover point
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: of whatever, the the metric of a good hunt and
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of trigger pools. And to me, the more
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: I get into it's like, the fewer trigger pools, if
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: the limit is seven ducks out here in Montana, closer
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: and get shooting seven times and killing no seven green heads,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: the better. That's how it did to make you know,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: so I'm slaying it and which which brings up a
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: good point that duck hunting is so subjective. It's a
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: very subjective expirit The four of us go jump in
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: a duck line and we all want maybe something a
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: little bit different out of it. Do you uh do
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: you find that, like motivations the hunt are similar everywhere
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: you go, Like meaning, I was struck at the cold
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  Speaker 1: times that I've been around, you know, you know, hunting
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  Speaker 1: with people from very different cultures and far away places
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: where there's there's a palpable excitement, yeah, fishing whatever, like
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: people get excited. Yeah, you know when it's good, it's
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: good and people like it and there's like an enthusiast
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: and someone catches a big one. That's as like you know, yeah,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, do you see that all? You always see that,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: like here comes a flight of ducks and people are
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: like because an electric feeling yeah yeah, yeah, Especially when
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: you're hunting with a crowd of folks, it's just you
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, how everybody's sitting there, were all
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: talking and socializing. At the one time you really need
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: to be still in a duck blind is when there's
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: ducks flying and we're sitting here talking having this conversation
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: that sure's ducks, and everybody starts breakdance and looking for
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: the gun to getting ready. Yeah, this is excitement and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: that it's just it's an energy and I love it.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's just there's an energy that right there. Everybody's proud.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: I seem my think with older duck hunters, more way
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: more experienced duck hunters and stuff like that, it settles
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: into I'm quiet proud act say that you know, uh
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: over and adverybody jo on this year and this this
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: is this is the kind of hunt I like, just
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: personally speaking, is when when the ducks are difficult, there
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: aren't aren't the gang Busters full of ducks that you're expecting,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: and you're in a blind by yourself and this year
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: an aderbay joan and um, maybe we're shooting a dozen
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: fifteen birds apiece. But it took utter focus. It took
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: absolutely keeping your head in the game the entire time,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: an ideal. He went back fifth or sixty yards from
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: where I was hitting in this little blind by myself,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: and he would just he would whistle loud, I'm looking
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: I'm looking down when and I'm as focused as I
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: can humanly be. And when three ducks come in, it's
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: not just okay's three ducks, let me shoot wanted how
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: do you? How do you make the play to kill them? All?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: You're focusing you. I mean, the numbers are tunnling the
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: whole time. These telling the first pass, not on a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: second pass. Now they're coming in. Now I'm gonna run
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: the table on them. And that it's just that that focus.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I'm slaying. He's playing a real what I call a
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: real clean game. Call the ducks, get him in close,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: make ethical shots, knock them down, and and just really
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: go all in. It's like Steve back when I was
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: an archer. Let's say fly fish, because watching some guys
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: on the river fly fish the other day, you know,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: and what I think about it is how fly feel.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: And it's really not about getting grease hot and eating.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: It's it's an art. It's a it's a ritual, it's
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: a it's a process. And my right, I mean, those
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: guys are really getting into it. Why else what you
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: got here and whipped the water forever, You're not gonna
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: eat a big dinner. But but seriously, it's it's it's
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: something about that that hypnotic thing and that that art
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: form and getting better and laying that, laying that fly better.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: And when when I did bow hunt way back in
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: college in the days, but well, no compound bow it
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: was it was never about uh whacking and stack as
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: me and I could. I mean, it's like every time
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: I drew back the dozen deer I shot in my life,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: every time I drew back that string increased a smile
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: because I owned that deer. I played that game. He
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: was right here, And it's just a matter of letting
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: the air going white. And duck comes like that too,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: you know, And I know it to a lot of people,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: duck comes just a bunch of buddies out there just
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: letting loose as much Amma as possible. But I think
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: there's a ritual to it, you know, from from the
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: decoys and the placement and getting the birds in and
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: calling to him and speaking their language and having that
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: negotiation to coax them into that range that you own them,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: and that there's something pure about that. To me, there's
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: a big, big portion of my enjoyment from duck hunting
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: that comes from and I'm not gonna put some arbitrary
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: percentage on it but um anticipation, because it is just
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I mean everything from come June, like washing off my
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: decoys from last year and like scrubbing them down and
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: making them look nice, whether you know, not shiny, but nice,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Two being in that holding
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: pattern and waiting is it the second past or the
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: third pass? Is it the first? Am I am I
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: screwing up by not going on the first? You know?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: That's the that's that those those split second moments of
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: joy are instrumental in my satisfaction with the sport. That's
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: that's what keep That's what keep that energy and that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: enthusiasm and that vibration coming on. You're watching that burden.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, like down the deep South where we hunt
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of gad walls. Gad walls kind of work
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: in in reverse order. Their core screw is getting further away.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: You better get him on the first path you be
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: can because the second, third, and fourth path you're gonna
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: be further away. They've talked theirselves, they've thought themselves out
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: of coming in, you know, but sometimes they do and
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: you and you're you're you're trying to find which duck
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: do I watch? Which duck is bringing the flock in
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: and focused on them and just but that's what keeps
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: you great. So what if you don't killed every duck,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: that's okay? Do you ever uh, presumably you get a
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: lot of clients you were wanting to take off lists. Yeah,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: what's your what's your relationship to that motivation? I mean,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: you gotta you know, you're in business. You gotta take
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: the money. But do you ever feel like it's a
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: like the motivations aren't quite quite what you wish they were.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Someone just ticking off numbers now, you know, in this
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: day and age and honey, because this is coming from
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: a guy who just saying, I want to get a oscillated,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: oscillateated so I can become a you know the world?
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Why why somebody hunt? And for that matter, how somebody hunts?
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: You know? The uh kicked off the episode talking about
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: honey with hounds. There's people that are posed to it.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: There are peers that don't think we should hunt with hounds.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: I disagree. I think we should hunt. And so why
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: why somebody hunter? How somebody hunts, or what motivates somebody
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: into different parts of the world is really kind of
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: thera bit as long as it's legal and ethical, let's
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: go for it. But you know that that whole species things.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Just like on the one hand, I did kind of
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: I did kind of find myself wanting to shoot a
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: different duck than I shot hunt a different bird. Because
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: you're asking about duck hunting and duck hunting styles. You know,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: all of hunting, all the fundamentals of duck hunting is
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: predicated kind of on hunting mallards, but not all ducks
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: from hollards. Something they don't play by the matter of
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: rule book. And then you have to figure it out.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: You have to adapt from your rule and figure out
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: something a little bit different. Hunting divers is different than
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: hunting birds that coming high, which is different than hunting geese,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: which is different than hunting some other species. Okay, and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: and so you but it's still still the fundamental game.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: But every species you start start having their they're different
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: little rules. There's a lot of guys that want to
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: collect as many duck species as they can. And uh,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of young guys now, you know,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: because there there's people out there that's they're chasing the
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: North American slam. I don't believe it's forty one. I
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: believe it's closer to sixty, probably around mid fifties, high
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: fifties and forty one. But whatever you're chasing, chase it.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Go I need to add up where I'm at now, Yeah,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: go for it. The chase never ends. But but seriously, uh,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: what we found out is is really and truly as
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: we began to meet that kind of hunter that wanted
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: to chase off the beaten path into different spaces, that
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: that really kind of drove us. It wasn't that kind
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: of the car before the horse, who's driving? Who here
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: the clients coming in and having those conversations, what do
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: you know about shooting bar headed geese? Well, I need
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: to find a bar headed goose. You know what's led
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: us to Mongolia? Now, I'll tell you I think that. Um,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I think most collectors that I know, I think at
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: some point in the line they're they're gonna they're gonna
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: realize they're really not collecting a bird or a trophy
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: or an animal. They're collecting the experiences. And no, no,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: that's just placeholders for that experience. I agree with that definitely.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: What uh so, I can't remember it was a hundred
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: and eighty eight countries or something on the planet. I
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, sub two hundred countries. How many countries have
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: you hunting ducks in Morena dozen? Oh morna does not
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: say twenty five or thirty thirty maybe more maybe thirty five? What? Uh?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: Who's got it right and wrong? Like like who's paying
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: attention to ducks in a way that they're playing the
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: long game? So they got ducks in a hundred years?
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: A really? I think? I think so, you know, because
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: because nowhere else on Earth that I'm aware, Uh, Australia
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: is trying, and Australian doing a great job. But but
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: nowhere else on the world in the world do we
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: have um crunch the numbers like they do here. Do
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: the surveys, do the breeding count through the pine counts?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: I mean America trying and maybe maybe it could be
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: said that hardly anywhere else in the world do we
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: have the pressure, the hunting pressure for ducks. And it's
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: not just not maybe just the total number of people hunting.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think of my granddad who got
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: me into this thing. Maybe a hundred a dozen days
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: a year maybe, man, how many people as hunting twelve
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: days a year? And now a lot of guys are
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: hunting way more than that hunting going to Canada. Going
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: to Kanada's going to miss going out about going where
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: you know, chasing these duck think there's just passionates this
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: obsession and when we're not only we're not only hunting
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: them harder, but we're doing it with that that elevated
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: art form worth of equipment that makes us more efficient hunters.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: So I would like to see, uh, i'd like I
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: really do believe that here in the US we're playing
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: the long game as best we can. We've got a
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: lot of science and a lot of money behind the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: research and genetics and management and harvest. I don't see
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: anybody else really doing it the advantage they have in
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: places like Argentina, they've got just a miniscule demand for
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: for hunting, the miniscule hunting pressure. I should say, you
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: feel that we're making any big mistakes as a country
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: round duck management. No, I don't. I would, I would
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: um I believe the numbers i'd I'd like to see. No,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: I don't believe we're making any mistakes. How many clients
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: do you have that run around tony? Ducks don't taste
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: good a lot? How how many times do you hear that?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: It's just's such a widely held you know, and I
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: hate that. I know, Steve, I saw you ever watch
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Andy Griffith, I do what you're talking about. There was
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: an episode watch you know Don knights Man. Oh yeah,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: well I love him only getting out go out with
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: one bullet. There was an episode, uh Opie with friends
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: with somebody that was apparently wealthy and um he came
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: over to play with Opie and Aunt b was putting
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: on airs and Andy come in and goes, is that
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: goose and to put on airs? Into impressed this this
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: young rich kids she had cooked at Christmas goose. I'm thinking, man,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: that one. But back in the sixties and that was
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: a big and that was regarded as like an opulent
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: Well it's in in Christmas Carol and Christmas Carol exact
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Dickens like like when he wakes up and he's like
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: in a better mood after the goals of past present
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: future comes and sees him. He wakes up and sends
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: the kid down to go get the goose. Now you'd
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, tell you'd send him to
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: get now? And yeah, well that's what we do. But
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: I really do. I like, I like duck, and I
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: wish That's one thing that excites me about y'all's program
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: is y'all get people excited about eating and how to
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: cook and how to prepare and how to do all
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: this stuff with these birds. And you know, I think
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: it's become a lost ark. That's that's really truely why
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: I think more waterfowl aren't eating it. It's just a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: lost ark. People don't know what to do with it.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: If you ever had bad duck one time, that's gonna
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: laugh after while I think that. I mean, I've had
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of bad duck. But then it's not that hard.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: It's like pretty easy. Well, no, it took a long time,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: but once you just once you learn how to cook
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: and you cook it really well for a decade or whatever,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: it just seems simple because you learned like a couple
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: of basic rules, and then it's really good. And then
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: you get annoyed with people who don't see that it's good,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: and you kind of forget the fact that you ate
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of shitty duck over the years. Now, I
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: just know, I like know what to do. I like,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: I know I can look at it. I know what
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: kind of duck it is. I know what you can
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: get away with that duck. I cooked that duck. It's
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: always good. And now I'm like, people are so stupid.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, well wait a minute, because I've cooked
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: some bad meaning typically like grossly overcooked. Yeah, that's the
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: biggest stake is overcooking and unless you're over cooking it
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: in the right way when it becomes okay, but not
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: overcooking the wrong way. And you know, one of my
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: favorite recipes, and I would tell everybody how many times
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: you've heard, uh, cream cheese, halapeno wrapper, bacon, you probably
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: put a dog turd. Like any tastes all right, you know,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: but but it gets old. And it's like, I'll tell
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: you a simple recipe for cooking duck, and I think
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: any would go over big time is uh duck bread.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna breast the duck, go ahead and breast
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: the duck. Uh soaking an olive oil with copious amounts
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: of cavender seasoning and seared on cavendars, just like a
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Greek seasoning that and just just hit it hit a
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes when he has like some green lettering
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: green and red letter on a white yeah. Yeah, and
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: it's just Cavender's Greek seasoning and it's just it's but
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: it's rare, you know. One of my favorite ways to
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: really get silvel. Yeah. I just put it on the
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: table and the ziplock bag with olive oil and and that, uh,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: that seasoning in there. And I think that I think
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: something about the oil helps it penetrate that meat, you know.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: And um, but it's just great. It's just it's good
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: and it's simple and it's easy. Just don't overcook it.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Cook it rare. And I was telling somebody one of
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: my favorite, uh, one of my favorite ways cook duck
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: is chicken fried. I mean that if you want to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: get rid of a bunch of duck quick chicken fried,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: simple walk me through that breast. Take take your breast portions.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Tend to rise it, beat it with a hammer. I
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: used the back of yeah, or the back of a
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: knife boom. Tend to ride it. Soak it in milk, uh,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: season at dredging and flour hot oil and uh. And
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: I like to make a couple of dipping sauces. My
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: favorite of what we call Jezebel sauce. I got it
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: from somebody over in Arkansas, but it's vaguely Remember that
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: band Jean Loves Jezebel. No, they had a song Jellrah,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: but no just could anyway, Jezebel sauce of dipping sauce
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: had uh equal parts of orange marmalade, apple jelly and
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: really good course ground horse radish. And say that against
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: I got a brand new horse radish patch that is
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: going insane. Equal parts equal parts of horse radish, orange marmalad,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: horse radish. I bite out of a job prepared horse
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: radder prepared, but it's gotta be the good. Someone one
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: of our guys that works with us buyer and he
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: made me some prepared horse radish, and he gave me
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: the roots and I planted them. And man, that stuff
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: is like a jungle already. That's pretty cold, but but
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: it's a very prolific plant. I'd like to have something
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: that's just the way to get rid of a lot
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: of duck quick. I think we owe it to the
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: racehorse to learn how to cook one good dish anyway,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: don't you? Yeah, But tell me one more time, Mancuse
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hung up on the horse radish. So prepared
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: horse radish, marmalade, orange marmalade, apple jelly. And so'll take
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: take the jar to take the jellies and put them
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: in your microwave, just to get them the word. They're
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: liquefied enough if you can mix them. Yeah, put in
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: your horse rad and shake it up. Maybe put in
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: a big, big dollop of yellow mustard. Is this apple
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: jelly or apple butter apple jelly? Not apple, but the
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: yellow stuff apple jelly? And then do what with that again? Liquefied?
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: Get it in the microwave. Get it one where you
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: mix it, orange marmalade, same things you make him. Put
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: him in a jar, put your horse radish and shake
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: it up, and the next day's gonna be even better.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: That's when you're dipping sauce. You're not soaking the duck
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: in there. Oh, no way soaked du So if you're
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: gonna chicken fried ducks, soak them in meal. Oh that's
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: your dipper sauce for chicken. Okay, I thought I thought
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: that you were laying out a home that's good on anything,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: that dipping sauce would be good on anything. Yeah, ye
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: should give you some of my roots. Man, sounds good,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: not quite yet. We're our garden is not ready for
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: to accept plants right now. But we'll just why. I
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: just don't have a garden ready to plan it. You've
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: had a garden for years, Yeah, but it's every year
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: he keeps moving and it's just not right. So this
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: year we actually your garden got up moved. We don't
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: have you're trying to find. Yeah, and so this year
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: we're actually we're back in there with the miniacs and
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: you're going it'll be ready, You're going next level. Yeah.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: But I brined and smoked a bunch of ducks the
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: other day, and man, did those come out good? I had.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: At first, I did one hole next to a pheasant,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: and that was so good I decided to do more.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: So I pulled out. I had some what do they
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: call it when we do it with the breasts and
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: the thigh and the laid together airplane or something like that.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, I called the thing I stole from the
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: University of Montana Wild Game. There's a name. If you
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: get a chicken that way. No, okay, anyways, it doesn't matter. Um.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: And I had some mallard breasts um. And then there
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: was two who's I don't know, god wall or something
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: other ringnecks, maybe something random that had just you know
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: come into the you know, spread that I ended up
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: with at home. And there was two scolar breasts with
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: the skin on. Where'd you get scolds North Carolina a
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago? So they've been in my freezer
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: for a while and they all got the same treatment.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: Brind throw on the smoker and the mallards are just
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: eating just so good, just fantastic, you know. I gave
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: him a little uh macedon like dust and masodon seasoning
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: on there, and I get to the scolder and man,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling it and I'm like, man, it's just like
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: it's like squishy or like softer, even though I cooked
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: in the same amount of time. I cut it open
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful like mid rare inside, but just
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: tender and that nice that like there's like a nice
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: fat cap and then the skins all crispy from the
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: because I did a really hot scot fat scot fat,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: and I mean just touching the two, you'd be like, man,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: I'd rather eat that scolder because you can just tell
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: you how you can touch me there? Man, Well, yeah,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think it wasn't just the skin. It was
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like that bear that you had that one
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: time that when you brian and smoked and it tasted
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: like you're eating smoked fish. Same thing with that scolder.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just tasted like a fish. Um. I
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, that's all. And I'm know Dr Duck, but
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that a lot of that fish
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: was laid up in that skin. And if you'd have
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: been here, if you hadn't been playing hookie, you'd heard
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: from the meat scientist about why that is, why that
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: fishiness is in that fat, and what fat does and
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: how it functions. But you don't know. I don't know.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: I haven't listened to that podcast, so cook, but yeah,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: tell me tell me. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm not
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: a scord expert, but if I had to like come
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: and cook a scorterer, um, get the fan out. Oh,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: I would get the skin off there, any of those
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: fish eating ducks, I'll get the skin off. Hansi says he. Uh,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: grant because I ran this by Hansi earlier two and uh,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: HANSI want you tell them what you told me. Oh,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: I tried to avoid smoking diving ducks. I feel like
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: it just it makes it if it's already fishy to
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: begin with, it's just gonna like enhance that. I feel
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: like it just makes the smoke fishiness. Yeah, it just
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: makes it like that much more nasty bad. I don't know.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: I like to skin. I like my diver ducks, like
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: skin them, you know, putting into I love making meatballs
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: out of diver ducks. I mean it's like, you know,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: mixed with some pork fat. You know, it's like a
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: little guilty, but I think it goes great. We used
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: to take some divers, the divers aren't that great and
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: skin you know, pull the skin off them, cut them
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: into very sit thin strips and put like for heat
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: of seasoning on them. Yeah, do it likely like serum
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: like that, and then you got your peppers and onions,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: sal su. It's just it's just it's just at that point,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's just stuff to eat. Yeah, it's just like it stuff.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: It's good, and you're like glad you got them. It's
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: better buying some stupid junk from a grocery store. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: I just never look down at him. I'm not cheating
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: scutters anymore. What about have you ever had you ever
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: used waterfowl for hamburger? But making a burger you've had
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: venison and baking burger. No, man, I've never made a
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: duck burger. That's a good idea, is great? I was great, yeah,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: and and and get the bacon ends. So you're making
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: like a baking burger. Put some cheese in there. Really
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: always good. Absolutely, I'll do that absolutely any duck was
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: not say ducks maybe, but but the other ducks. Yeah,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: uh you can. So you work all over the world.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about that, but I want to uh
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: hit on something real quickness for people who might become
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: interesting wanting to deal with you a little bit and
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: associate with you. Is uh, you do you book? You
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: you help people book trips here here in the US.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: You know, in the United States here what we do,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: Steve is uh. The short answers yes and no, because
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: because what we do is with long term relationships, we
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: just don't have the the time to book your hunt
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: to say, Oklahoma, you know what I'm playing. And and really,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: truly that really does crowd me as a middleman. That
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: really makes me kind of pushes my middleman boundaries. If
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: you're calling me a book a trip to Oklahoma. But
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: I've been to Oklahoma and some of these states on
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: our US hunt List we call it Canada and the
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: United States, and I've been to these guys just like
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: I've been elsewhere, and I know they're gonna do what
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: they say they're gonna do. No guarantee of duck limits
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: every day, but they're gonna do what they say they're
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: gonna do. And we put you in touch with them
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: on our website, their name, their contact information. I really
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: feel like you don't play anything out of that now.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: We just we we we some people can vet. Like
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: if people hear you and they're like, oh, you know,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: I got a good thing about that guy. They and
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: they want to vet a duck trip, they can call
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: you and you'll give your two cents on what your
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: experience or what the rumor is. That's right. We've got
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: We've got the descriptions written up at us hunt List,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: just like we do it get ducks dot com. But
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: still it's a website, US hunt less US hunt List,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: it's just a part of get ducks dot com. So
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: people can get there by going to get ducks dot
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: com right click on US hunt list and them and
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: go take a look at it and see a huntry
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: light and do that question about call me in bock
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: me whatever like that. You know, we just look at
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: it like a value added service and in a way
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: of working too, I kind of look at like a
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: gateway drugs. You know. You think the kids sitting out
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: here in um middle of nowhere. Uh he shot his
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: mallards and his pin tels and his gad walls or
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: his wood ducks or whatever, and they come to us.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: It's like I want to I want to collect. I
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: want to go do some stuff. Go to New England
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: and you can get the scolders, the iters, the long tails,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: go knock some real exotic stuff off. And now they're
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: heading down that slippery path. And uh, I want to
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: collect and and and they should be collecting no different
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: experiences and um. But yeah, so we we work with
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: US hunters and Canadian US outfitters and Canadian outfitters just
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: to put you together. What I want to see is
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: if you want to go to a different place in
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: the US or Canada, I want to put you in
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: touch with them. Get in touch with them quickly, because
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: it is a very subjection. Why are you going to Canada.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: What do you want to shoot in Oklahoma? Why are
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: you going to New England? Do you want to shoot ee?
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: If you want to shoot Scots, start working with that
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: outfit or to get that get that thing right. You know,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: we start talking about foreign countries firearms and hunting, ligages
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: and permits and language barriers and money wires and stuff
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: like that. Now I'm coming in and bringing a whole
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: whole different ball game to that that equation, then I
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: would be just standing yet Oklahoma. Yeah, I'm with you.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: I got one follow up question. Have you have you
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: hunted a duck in Latvia or any of the ball
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Baltic states? I have not yet. You haven't hounded Lavia
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: and have not? I have not yet? Neither is your honest?
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Have not me? And you don't want to go there
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: and hunt so bad? I'll put something together. Let's go,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: Oh can you can you work whatever magic you work
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: around the world, but working Lavia for us? Well, here's deals.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: Yn't has been kicking it around for quite some time.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: But you know he he can't make it like a
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: full time job is East East scouting Lavia? I feel
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: like I just can't get a real solid commitment out
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: of you as the host of the show that we're like,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do it because I need to have it
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: laid out like you have it laid out. All right,
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: We'll keep working at Yeah, do in just in a
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: spare moment, run the get ducks dot Com process on
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: lava will. I need to get over that part of
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: the world anyway. It's bigger than just roam money that
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: part of the world. I need to get over that
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: part of the world. Take a little show me your ring, yehnie,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: it's Lavian power ring. It's called ance. Very good. Yeah,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: I got another question. Actually, all that's cool. I'm just
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: curious about like mouth calling, boy, And I mean I
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: know that there's like there's places that it's still practiced, right,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: I mean in the United States, not like not even
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: going out of the borders, but explain what it is
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: calling ducks and geese with your mouth like exactly, Like
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that like an example of it, but
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: like I want to I'm curious, like what your experience
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: has been with that, you know, like what I know,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: uh boy, HOIDI you know, the first time I ever
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: saw a mouth calling was in Tennessee on real foot
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: Lake this many years ago, oh many years ago. And
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: there they use these calls over there to the typical
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: traditional real foot Lake called it has got a metal
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: read and it's a real high pitch, you know. And
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: when old ducks start getting in closed, getting in close,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: they start anchoring them, start shouting that that's how they
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: finished those birds. It's very traditional, real foot Lake style. Cool.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: And I've seen the same thing in Netherlands where they'll
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: they'll ank them. They don't, they don't call it anching.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: They just start anching. And were you saying this? That
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: means that with their voices, they're saying the word and
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: calling exactly there, just loud. And I've seen you take
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: it to a whole another level now and here and
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: here in the US. I know that the guys that
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: are hunting swans, you swan, they're probably gonna call them
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: with their mouth, especially especially the tun trunch swans. They're
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: gonna call them with their mouth. I can't do that call, No,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: I can't do that. But you go over, you go over,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: you go over to uh Aderbaijan. Again, those guys call everything. Now,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: they'll use electronic calls at time, but it's not enough
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: they're they're subsidizing it with their own call. In fact,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: we posted somewhere on our Instagram, we posted one of
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: the one of the duck guys over there. They'll let
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: you hear the electronic call faintly in the background, but
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: he's running through all the species with his mouth and
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable, you know. So when you come back
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: from Answerbayan, you know, you are hunting all over the world.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: Is there like a is there a any kind of
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: specialness that comes with hunting where you first started? Yeah,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: I think I know what you're asking. And it's like
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: the more you hunt, the more you see in the
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: different stuff you do. It's like it's like this this uh,
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: this thing for hunting it home, you know. It's it's
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: like it's like it's so strange and different from home,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: but then at the same time, it's so much like home,
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: and and it just it really, uh, it really gives
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: me a fidelity for home hunting, just like I did
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: traditionally at home. I think that's what you're asking. How
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: how we hunt ducks here? It is way different than
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: how they hunt ducks everywhere else, And I you can't
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: famous how hunt those ostility turkeys. The way we started.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: You can't paint yourself in a corner. The world is
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: a lot bigger than our backyards. I've shot ducks, uh.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: For example, here we are in Montana. I know y'all
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: shoot water fowl up here, but just think about it, man,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: We're in the mountains, water runs downhill, and I feel
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: like I spend most of my life in the lowest
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: line places on our shooting ducks. But I have shot
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: a pair of andy and geese sixteen thousand feet in Peru.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I've shot him. I've shot him on the
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: Barren Sea in January. I've shot him in the timber
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: in this I've shot him at night by light. I've
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: shot him at night by by moonlight, of shot him
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: with naked eyes. It's a very You know how people
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: hunt around the world, It's very different. One of the
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: craziest things was in Russia. We were shooting eighters on
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: the White Sea and they Russia has no basis, no
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: concept for duck honey, none zil it killed it up.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: I said that very practical Russian hunt. So we're gonna
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: go out of ider honey. And I brought him decoys. No, no, no,
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: we don't need those. It was it was like a
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: James Bond movie. We're in a metal speed boat. He's
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: going as fast as you can and we're beside the
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: iders and I've got my legs out on the boat
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: so I don't fly out when we hit a wave
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm holding on one arm or shooting with the other.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: You're throwing dynamite and no, no, it was just it
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: was just you know, right by the time you think
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: you've done it all, somebody shows, you know, Waite a
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: shooter duck, and you know, I like, I like a
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: spirit to the writer Ian Fraser, he told me a
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: really good story. He spent years in Siberia writing a
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: book about Siberia, and he just was telling me about
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: he finally gets an invite to go out with these
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: guys to hunt. They we want some kind of seal
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: or seiland. I can't hear what they're going for, but
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: they're like Siberian anyway, I can't what do they call that.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: There's a different name for the like Eskimo. Eskimo were
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: Intuit people who live in Siberia. I believe they might
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: have a different word. Either way, He's with them and
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: they go out and they have a bullet. There's a
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: bullet and they go on the most like hellacious motor
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: boat ride, you know, going through the seas. They get there,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: they're just getting tossed around by waves. He's seasick the
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: whole time. The whole time, there's like seals out in
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: front of them, but they can't shoot because they got
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: like a bullet and the event should get it where
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: a guy gets just the right shot and shoots the
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: bullet and kills the thing. And they started heading back
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: and he's getting more seasick and he's soaking wet. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how these people can, like how can
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: they do this? Like how can they even stand this
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: kind of thing? And he says, high up he sees
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: this duck, Like this duck crosses over the boat and
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: it starts losing altitude and drops down into this distant
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: bay and he said, that boat turns to that D'rectly's
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: like no. They went and spent the rest of the
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: evening looking for a duck. I like to jump shoot ducks,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: pass shoot ducks, decoy ducks. But I found it with turkeys, man,
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  Speaker 1: Like I want to hunt turkeys in like leaning against
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: a tree, trying to call a turkey like a called
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: in turkey means a lot more to me right alone,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: own pressured called in turkey means a lot more to
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  Speaker 1: me than than bushwhacking a turkey, or ambush and the turkey,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: or getting turkeys that just run across the fields they
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: have never seen a decoy in your life, and then
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  Speaker 1: they stand there for twenty minutes. Like I like that
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: turkey that comes just in after like an excruciating amount
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: of time and he doesn't want to do it and
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: eventually does it. I like that. But a lot of stuff,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: I just take it as you get it. I agree, Yeah, No,
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it's that, it's that relationship. You feel like
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: you earned it that way. But sometimes birch just play
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: different rules, you know. Oh yeah, I'll take a wallet.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, short of throwing dynamite in the water, I'll
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: take the wall out. You know you're coming on bait.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: That's great, coming on bobers. I'll take it. You know.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: It's like I don't need it. I don't need it
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: to be is. I don't need it to be that
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: vertical jig. You know, I'll just take it. I unabashedly
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: prefer hunting ducks over water. That's I don't know what
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: it is, like decoys like but something about like a cornfield,
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: cornfield alfalfa. I just it doesn't it doesn't get me
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  Speaker 1: in the same spot. I don't know. I don't know
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: what that is. I agree, all right, Ramsey Russell, danks
• 2:14:13
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• 2:14:55
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