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Cowboys Netflix doc criticisms, Arch Manning mania, Shedeur Sanders struggles | 08.25 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: That's what I would like to call a big oopsie daisy.
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  Speaker 1: That was a giant big oops.
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  Speaker 2: My end.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no. It was everybody's oops. You know what? In
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  Speaker 2: Baseball is America's pastime. Bingo.
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  Speaker 1: Bingo. That's what I'm going with. And we were able
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  Speaker 1: to whittle off enough of those basketball players to make
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  Speaker 1: That was all it came down to.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Shohei Otani. Konichiwa, homie. It's like you're one of us.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And Whitney involved in some
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  Speaker 1: kind of housing discrimination.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And a gambling scandal.
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  Speaker 1: USA.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't get more American than that.
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  Speaker 1: USA. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, I got back
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  Speaker 1: from my trip. And while I was gone, I generally
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  Speaker 1: now do my best to stay off the socials for
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  Speaker 1: reasons that I've told you all, which is very simple,
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  Speaker 1: aside from the fact that it's generally toxic. It's specifically
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  Speaker 1: become mean to me in a way that I don't
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  Speaker 1: find enjoyable anymore. Right. I got to be a little
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  Speaker 1: bit too big to be out here just slamming people
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  Speaker 1: down every week. Therefore, all it is is people being
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  Speaker 1: mean and there's no sport in that for you, boy.
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  Speaker 1: But every now and then I kind of drop in
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  Speaker 1: just to get a handle on what y'all talking about
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  Speaker 1: so I could do for work. And I come to
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  Speaker 1: find out that everybody was real hot to try. about
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  Speaker 1: this Netflix docuseries on the Dallas Cowboys. I saw people
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  Speaker 1: who were making the comparison between that and The Last
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  Speaker 1: Dance and saying that this was a better documentary than
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  Speaker 1: The Last Dance. And I thought that that was an
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  Speaker 1: interesting point of comparison because I don't have the greatest
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  Speaker 1: handle on how good people thought The Last Dance was. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, when it came out five years ago,
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  Speaker 1: last dance was the greatest thing to ever happen because
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  Speaker 1: man we was just stuck in there without shit to
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  Speaker 1: do remember that y'all was waking up in the morning
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  Speaker 1: watching korean baseball like we was all struggling we was
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  Speaker 1: on this show talking about the last dance like it
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  Speaker 1: was the playoffs like it was it was what we
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  Speaker 1: had to do it was it was it was what
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  Speaker 1: was cracking it was what there was to talk about
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  Speaker 1: but i did think the last dance was very good
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  Speaker 1: for a number of reasons um And if you guys
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  Speaker 1: said that it was comparable to that, then I was like, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna check it out.
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  Speaker 1: And so I watched all of it between a couple
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  Speaker 1: of days. I found it to be very entertaining, but
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  Speaker 1: I think I found it to be as noteworthy for
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  Speaker 1: what was in it as it was for what was
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  Speaker 1: not in it. If you have not seen the docuseries,
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  Speaker 1: obviously you're going to have plenty of time. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how much there is that I'm going to say
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  Speaker 1: here that is a spoiler because the thing is about history. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I had an eyelash go in my eye while I
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  Speaker 1: was doing the show. Boy, that was tough. I'm glad I,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy. Anyway, I can't really spoil stuff that's been
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  Speaker 1: public for like 30 something years. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: much that was in that documentary that honestly has not
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  Speaker 1: been known by people. I think that in some of
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  Speaker 1: the responses that I saw to the film, I was
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  Speaker 1: a little surprised at some of the things that people
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  Speaker 1: did not know. But I mean, between the Miami Hurricanes
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  Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys, I've read enough books and stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I got to forget that not everybody cares that
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  Speaker 1: much and does that. Anyway. I want to start with
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  Speaker 1: the most striking thing about this, which is this is
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  Speaker 1: not a docuseries about the Dallas Cowboys. This was a
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  Speaker 1: docu-series about Jerry Jones, which is in part why I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little bit surprised by how much people really like
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  Speaker 1: this as a docu-series because this is about Jerry Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Like how much goddamn time did you need to give
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  Speaker 1: me about Jerry Jones and his lawsuits against the NFL
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  Speaker 1: so that Pepsi could be the official sponsor of the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and Nike could be an official sponsor of
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  Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. I don't care. Like, do you care?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying those things don't matter, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like in terms of a larger picture of like how
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  Speaker 1: the league has changed and everything else, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: those things don't matter. I'm saying those things only matter
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  Speaker 1: in the context of Jerry Jones. And I don't care
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  Speaker 1: that much about Jerry Jones. Like I don't care about
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones as a main character. I care about Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Jones as a person who is part of this larger,
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  Speaker 1: historically significant story. But even the title of it, what
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  Speaker 1: is it? Uh, American Gambler. Yeah, the American's team, the
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  Speaker 1: Gambler and his Cowboys. The word Dallas ain't even in it. Right?
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  Speaker 1: The Gambler and his Cowboys. And I, as somebody who
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  Speaker 1: finds Jerry Jones interesting, right? I don't, I didn't show
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  Speaker 1: up wanting to watch eight episodes about Jerry Jones. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: what I found to be interesting to off the rip
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  Speaker 1: To me, a docu-series or a documentary like this needed
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  Speaker 1: to start with the building of the legend of the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, okay? Some black and white footage of when
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  Speaker 1: they were awarded the team, some grainy footage of them
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  Speaker 1: playing back when they used to play at the Cotton
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  Speaker 1: Bowl and all of that stuff. Think about this for
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  Speaker 1: a second. This is ostensibly a docu-series about the Dallas Cowboys,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't recall anything in it about the Ice Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall anything specific about Roger Staubach. I don't
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  Speaker 1: recall anything specific about Tony Dorsett. Any of these things.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy talk to me. Right. Like like like to me,
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  Speaker 1: that is outright insanity, because what I didn't come away
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  Speaker 1: from it with an understanding of. And these are like
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  Speaker 1: notes that I would give if I work with Netflix is.
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  Speaker 1: So why did Jerry care that much about buying the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys in the first place? Now, also, this is
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  Speaker 1: a larger complaint that I have about Netflix documentaries, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to be honest about it, that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they give typically enough background. It is it's done
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  Speaker 1: with the sensibilities of a tech company, which is to
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  Speaker 1: say the past doesn't matter. Right. Like this is this.
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  Speaker 1: That is how I feel when I watch this. All
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  Speaker 1: those Netflix untold joints, the majority of which are boo boo.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, to me, you need to explain to me
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  Speaker 1: how like what this was. This was America's team. OK,
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys have won three Super Bowls and been to
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  Speaker 1: three Super Bowls with Jerry Jones. The Cowboys had been
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  Speaker 1: to five Super Bowls before Jerry Jones showed up. They
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  Speaker 1: had those three years or it may even been two,
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  Speaker 1: but they had those years where they were not good
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  Speaker 1: right before Jerry bought the team and fired Tom Landry,
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  Speaker 1: which was the right move to make. What nobody ever
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  Speaker 1: said explicitly that blew my mind is one of the
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  Speaker 1: more amazing factoids. The Cowboys had a winning record for
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  Speaker 1: 20 years in a row. 20 years in a row.
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  Speaker 1: You get into the actual documentary and you start going
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  Speaker 1: through all the things about the 1990s Cowboys. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: you get to the White House and all the dope
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff and all the trouble they were
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  Speaker 1: getting into. Hey, man. The Cowboys were doing that in
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  Speaker 1: the 70s too. Like, I don't know how many young
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  Speaker 1: people who would watch that have an understanding that with
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and what they had going in the 90s
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  Speaker 1: was actually a continuation of the lineage of the franchise
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Like, there were, to me,
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  Speaker 1: could have been a whole episode, a very fascinating episode
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  Speaker 1: of the dichotomy between the deification of Tom Landry and
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  Speaker 1: the man Tom Landry was versus the team that he had, right?
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  Speaker 1: And where the similarities are truly between he and Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: Johnson were personality type and disposition and demeanor. They were
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  Speaker 1: absolutely and totally different. But in the end, can you
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  Speaker 1: play football circle? Yes or no. Being the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that really mattered was where both of them came from. Right.
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  Speaker 1: These are things that I personally find to be very
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  Speaker 1: interesting with what we're, you know, for what we're talking about. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really do that because that's not about Jerry.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: And hey, I want to also make the point. I
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  Speaker 1: find it very interesting what the circumstances were under which
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  Speaker 1: Jerry bought the team. I had forgotten what a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a clown he was seen as off the rip
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  Speaker 1: for buying that team and what he did with Tom
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  Speaker 1: Landry and with Tech Schramm and all of those guys, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think there was something to be said about building
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  Speaker 1: us up a world before Jerry Jones in our public
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  Speaker 1: consciousness existed. I also want to stop and take a
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  Speaker 1: moment to point out that i as a texan in
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  Speaker 1: general and a houstonian in specific think that you people
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  Speaker 1: from dallas i don't even know what y'all are called
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  Speaker 1: to be honest what is it dallasites i got no
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  Speaker 1: idea what they call y'all y'all just people from dallas
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  Speaker 1: as far as i'm concerned Y'all got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: nerve to be out here calling people country. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And look, I know Jerry from Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying Dallas is Arkansas, but I am
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  Speaker 1: saying Dallas is Dallas. And y'all got some nerve to
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  Speaker 1: be out here. Oh, man, this country bulking has come
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  Speaker 1: to Dallas, the big old... Bruh. Bruh. Bruh. Get out
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  Speaker 1: of here. Get out of here. Y'all are still a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people from Dallas. Don't you ever forget it.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway. Ryan, I remember this. These are moments where
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  Speaker 1: I realized that you were a very young lad when
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  Speaker 1: this Cowboys thing was going on. I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: how much contemporaneous recollection you have of these teams.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember any of the Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm just– the Cowboys– the 90s run of
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  Speaker 2: the Cowboys is right before my fandom really starts.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Before I started getting into sports.
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  Speaker 1: So what I found– I don't know what the right
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  Speaker 1: word is, but what I found to be interesting in
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  Speaker 1: watching that was the recollection of what a big deal
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  Speaker 1: a team used to be able to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think the last one that we truly had in
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  Speaker 1: sports that really landed like that were those Kevin Durant
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  Speaker 1: warriors like that run of things. Right. Right. But we
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  Speaker 1: had like the Shaq and Kobe Lakers be a great example. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the LeBron James Miami Heat just totally dominated everything that
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  Speaker 1: we saw for that time period. The Patriots in a way,
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  Speaker 1: but they were just so wholly uninteresting.
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  Speaker 2: And that was also very much too, it was all
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  Speaker 2: Belichick and Brady. It wasn't a collection of pieces the
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  Speaker 2: way the Cowboys were.
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  Speaker 1: This Cowboys thing was different, man. Like it was different.
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  Speaker 1: And also, I think the documentary pointed out something that
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  Speaker 1: is interesting that is not the same about those Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: Those Patriots came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We thought they were going to be terrible. They
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  Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. They stayed good for 20 years.
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  Speaker 1: Those Cowboys were terrible in 89, surprisingly much better in 90,
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  Speaker 1: won a playoff game in 91, then won the Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl in 92 and 93. But it was a build.
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  Speaker 1: Like there were things that were going on that were
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  Speaker 1: not in that documentary that I find to be a
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  Speaker 1: bit surprising. For example.
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  Speaker 2: The Steve Walsh stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Bingo. That's the biggest one to me that I'm surprised
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  Speaker 1: they did not do more of. So for people who
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  Speaker 1: don't know, Steve Walsh was Jimmy's quarterback at Miami after
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Testaverde left. Walsh was the quarterback in 87 when
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  Speaker 1: they won the national championship and in 88 where they
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  Speaker 1: lost the one game to Notre Dame and finished number two.
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  Speaker 1: The Cowboys drafted Troy Aikman number one. Now, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Jimmy is very revisionist in his view on Troy
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  Speaker 1: or just leaves out important parts about Troy. Most notably,
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  Speaker 1: they took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft in 1989
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  Speaker 1: with a pick that ultimately became the number one overall pick.
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  Speaker 1: They used a first-round pick in the supplemental draft. They
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  Speaker 1: went 1-15, so that was the number one pick, and
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  Speaker 1: they took Steve Walsh. That first year, they were 0-11
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  Speaker 1: when Troy Aikman started games. Steve Walsh started the one
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  Speaker 1: game that they won in 1989 when they got themselves
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  Speaker 1: a victory, okay? Jimmy's boys broke Troy Aikman's leg in
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  Speaker 1: 1985 in Norman. That changed the course of everything, made
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  Speaker 1: Troy transfer. My read has always been Jimmy, as former
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  Speaker 1: coach at Oklahoma State and as the Miami coach, was
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  Speaker 1: way too familiar with Troy. and could nitpick at him
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  Speaker 1: because he had spent so much time.
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  Speaker 2: Knew too much about him, so he knew his flaws
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  Speaker 2: almost better than his strengths.
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  Speaker 1: Knew all of it, right? And he's looking at his
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  Speaker 1: team and saying how much tougher his Miami guys are
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  Speaker 1: to the Oklahoma team. Remember, from 1985 to 1987, Troy
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  Speaker 1: was the only quarterback in 85. But from 85 to 87,
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma went 33-3, which is to say Oklahoma went 33-0
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  Speaker 1: against everybody except Miami and 0-3 against Miami. Home, road,
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  Speaker 1: and bowl. They took them all in that point. But
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy was never sold on Troy. And you can tell
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  Speaker 1: he was never sold on Troy because they started Steve
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  Speaker 1: Berline in the playoffs in 1991. By then, they had
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  Speaker 1: traded Walsh. But Jimmy was ready to go to his guy.
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  Speaker 1: He never thought that Troy Aikman really had it until
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  Speaker 1: they won a Super Bowl. And then it was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Shocked that that's not there.
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  Speaker 2: Almost doing the sports radio thing of, eh, is he
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  Speaker 2: a winner?
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. But you know what? That doesn't have nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with Jimmy. Now does it, right? All of this,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: excuse me, with Jerry, all of this comes back to Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry,
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  Speaker 1: Jerry at every turn. Of course, Jerry, the thing I
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  Speaker 1: do appreciate about Jerry and find interesting about Jerry is
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  Speaker 1: I think that Jerry is more willing to answer hard
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  Speaker 1: questions than anybody that I can think of. And Jerry
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  Speaker 1: is more willing to bring things up that I think
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  Speaker 1: other people would skate away from than most folks I know.
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  Speaker 1: I think the whole story of Jimmy and Jerry and
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  Speaker 1: their relationship and how that went over these 30 years,
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  Speaker 1: I did find that to be very interesting. I thought
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  Speaker 1: the recollections of the power struggle and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they still can't agree on half the stuff, I found
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  Speaker 1: that to be very interesting. However, to me, there is
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  Speaker 1: no question Who the star of this is. And Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even asked if you've gotten around to watching it.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen half. Okay. I've seen the first four.
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  Speaker 1: So I do think that in the first four, you
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  Speaker 1: may have seen by then who my vote for, no question,
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  Speaker 1: who the biggest star on this is. It is Michael Irvin.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know who Michael Irvin is? What
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  Speaker 1: if my buddy Jalen Rose was a Hall of Famer?
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  Speaker 1: That is what Michael Irvin is. I can make an
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  Speaker 1: argument that Michael Irvin is the most culturally influential football
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  Speaker 1: player of the last 40 years. And when I say
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  Speaker 1: culturally influential, I don't necessarily mean influential to the larger
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  Speaker 1: culture outside of football. I mean influential to what a
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  Speaker 1: football player was, could be, or the way that we
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  Speaker 1: looked at football. And this is why I say this, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Michael Irvin is the personality of the U. Like the
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  Speaker 1: idea of what the U is, it lives and breathes
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  Speaker 1: through Michael Irvin, who to me to this day is
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  Speaker 1: probably the best player in the history of that program.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly the most, to me, the most important player of
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  Speaker 1: that program. The personality of the U does not exist
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  Speaker 1: under Howard Schnellenberger. It exists really starting in 1985, Jimmy's
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  Speaker 1: second year at coach and the year that Michael Irvin
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  Speaker 1: showed up there. And where Irvin said his culture was, and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, look at the other guys, Melvin Bratton, Alonzo Highsmith,
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  Speaker 1: all those other guys, right? But it was the idea
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  Speaker 1: that you could do all that shit that they was
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  Speaker 1: doing and the dancing and the celebrating as long as
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  Speaker 1: you worked really hard. Jimmy is fascinating because Jimmy liked it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: they were not doing this in spite of Jimmy Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: They were emboldened by the fact that Jimmy was like, whatever, man,
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  Speaker 1: you boys having a good time. I wish I could dance.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be out here doing the same shit as y'all,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? But... The personality of the
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  Speaker 1: U is Michael Irvin, who then comes to the Cowboys
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  Speaker 1: and as a rookie has the audacity to come to
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  Speaker 1: Tom Landry with a list of players that says these guys,
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  Speaker 1: they ain't going to work. Okay. The personality of the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys is the personality of Michael Irvin, for better
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  Speaker 1: or worse, all the way to the White House stuff
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  Speaker 1: and everything else, right? All of that is Michael Irvin.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that there are probably a lot
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  Speaker 1: of younger people who see Michael Irvin on television. and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: see Michael Irvin on the internet and do not understand
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: why like why is this a thing why is this
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: loud talking dude why why is he here like this
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and the reason is he was as and look there
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: are a lot of people that have had arguments for
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: this Sterling Sharp has had an argument for this for
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: example but when you really go back and look at
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it and keep in mind that Troy Aikman I think
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: had 20 touchdown passes one time in his career then
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you go look at Michael Irvin's stats that was probably
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the best wide receiver not named Jerry Rice in the 1990s.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: He is the only wide receiver that I could ever
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: think of to truly be seen as the leader of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: an offense, right? The leader of a team. And the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: reason was he was a winner, a flat out 100% winner.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, one in college, one in the pros. And
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I think the Jalen Rose comparison is interesting. Became very,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: very famous for a counter-cultural you know, sport, you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and also, you know, Jalen represents Michigan as well as,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: you know, Michael Irvin represents Miami.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But Jalen was the face of a cultural phenomenon.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And the U was a cultural phenomenon in a different
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: way in that they terrified people. People had their disagreements
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: with the Fab Five, but there had already been a Miami.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: There had already been a UNLV. There had already been
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: some people that could kind of smooth you into it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Even Florida State with Deion Sanders and all those things.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Those guys had already existed up until that point. irvin
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: showed up in the way they were doing in miami
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: nobody had seen anything like that right and then jimmy
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: brings it to the league and they're doing it again
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: so michael irvin and Emmitt Smith used to do this.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And this is a Michael Irvin idea, if I'm not mistaken.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Every time they score a touchdown, they take their helmets
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: off because they was like, somebody needs to see this face.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: You're never going to know my face if I don't
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: show you my face, right? And you sit there and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you watch him and you watch Irvin play and you
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: look at that personality he's got and then him explaining
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: why he wore a mink that day in the middle
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of the summer to court and all of that. Man,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it is your friendly reminder that they really only made
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: one of those.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's so amazing. I think the comparisons to The Last
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Dance are fair because you have so many people. Like
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: when they're doing their little ISO stuff, you're so riveted by.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And between Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, Jimmy Johnson. I haven't
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: gotten to this part, but whenever Charles Haley shows up,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: he's a crazy person. And again– This is the top four.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Have not mentioned Jerry Jones.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Right. By the way, what The Last Dance doesn't have
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: is Michael Irvin. Right. Part of what makes Michael Irvin
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: so interesting is Michael Irvin is far more willing to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: make himself vulnerable about his shortcomings and his outright fuck-ups
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: than just about anybody that I can think of. He
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: will give that. Go check Michael Irvin's Hall of Fame speech.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: He will give that to you. Also, Deion Sanders enters
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the chat and In a cowboy hat. In a cowboy hat.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And I know how you guys think I feel about
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Dion in total. I don't like all the things that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Dion does. But let me tell you what I do
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: love about Dion. I love about Dion that Dion can
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: sit in that chair and say that I was it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You know what it means? I was it. And that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: is a statement of fact. There is no way that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he can honestly discuss himself. without saying i was it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: nobody else can do that right he sits in there
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and he does that and what he and michael irvin
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: with each other anytime i see them talk to each
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: other something that i find very interesting about them is
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and this is one thing about those miami guys in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: particular but i also think it's something that dion does
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not get enough credit for which is dion's confidence is
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: legitimate Deion's confidence is sincere. Now, he does not like
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it when people push back on him in various ways.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But what Deion Sanders never was, was threatened by Michael Irvin.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: What Michael Irvin never was, was threatened by Deion Sanders.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Like those two dudes are legit and they look at
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: each other and say game recognized game. Like there's a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: clip where Dion talks about Dion and Michael Irvin talking.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And I can't remember which one of them had gotten
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to the NFL network first. I think it was Michael Irvin.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It must have been because Dion retires and Michael Irvin.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And he's talking about how Michael Irvin sat down with
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: him and explained to him. what he needed to do
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: on be on television. Your camera's going to be here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: This is going to be here. This is going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: be here. All of this stuff and just walking him
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: through what he needed. Like there's a camaraderie between those
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: two cats that I find to be very interesting, which
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: gets back to part of what to me is so
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: interesting about those Cowboys teams. And it's, again, the spirit
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of the U coming back, which is it's team, man.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: It's an outright team. I ain't even got to talk
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: about Emmitt Smith yet, Ryan, as we talk about all
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the things we didn't talk about. We ain't even get
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to talk about Emmitt Smith. And none of these, as
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you put it, are Jerry Jones. Like, why did this
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: have to be about you? You have this franchise that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: was something before you got there. And look, there's an
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: episode at the end where it's why they haven't won
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: anything in 30 years. He kind of gets into that one, right?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: He kind of goes in that direction. But in the end,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you just get left with the thought, man, that I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: get that you want it to be about you. Or
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: how about this? I get that Jerry wants to do
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: all the things, but it doesn't have to be about you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: in the course of doing all the things. You want
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to be the GM? That's fine, right? He didn't buy
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: that car to ride in it. He bought that car
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to drive it. I get that. It's yours. If you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: want to do that, that's fine. And the way that
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you handle attention and all of that stuff, okay, cool.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I get all of those things 100%. But this, it
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: can't be about you. It can't be about you. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in the end, you will realize, and I remember once
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: having this conversation with somebody else about something very similar.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: If you got something good, everybody will get the credit
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: for it. And Jerry very much cares about the credit.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: If you got something good, everybody involved will get credit
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: for it. Just make sure it's good. Right? All you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: got to do is make sure that it's good. And I,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: as someone who is generally a defender... of Jerry Jones
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I just came away from looking at the way that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: film was produced and it's like see that's why y'all
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: be out here looking like losers all right college football
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: season is about to begin we got our good buddy
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Spencer Hall he is going to join us on Friday
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: although I guess college football season already began began they
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: played Farmageddon That's Iowa State and Kansas State, but they
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: played it in Ireland. And could they have called it
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: famine getting? It's tough. We can laugh about the famine now.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I think any potato based humor is fair game.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Hey, let me tell you something. I don't think there's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: any plague, natural disaster, whatever it is, that sounds quite
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: as dire as a famine.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Not even a famine. A specific vegetable famine.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. They're like, yo, man, what are we supposed
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to do? That's what we got here.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: That's all we got.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: That's all that can grow here and we can't eat.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: We can't grow it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: We can't grow anything.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: We've got to get out of here.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And so for those of you who– did you see
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: what happened though? And I feel so– okay. So Kansas
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: state got a quarterback named Avery Johnson, not Avery Johnson,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but Avery Johnson. Right.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like a lot of the Kansas state quarterbacks
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that have been there.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But yo, this is what I didn't realize. Um,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: apparently his brother and his dad got into a fist
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: fight in the streets of Dublin. Yep. You saw this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I see now granted, I am aware of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: new Orleans, Avery Johnson. Okay.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But even still, I see the guy's name is Avery Johnson.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: He's a quarterback for Kansas State, and his family is
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: scrapping it out in the streets of Dublin. It was
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: very similar to me. They had to put out a statement.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: They did. They did. But I would say it was
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in the moment, as I had heard about it and
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: had not watched it, it felt very similar to me to,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: for example, the D.C. Sniper. where I read about it
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and I was like, whew, glad that ain't us. But.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Didn't know where you were going. But.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: But... First of all, go look up a picture of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: this Avery Johnson.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: He looks like an Avery. Yes. But his daddy, that's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a Johnson right there.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: That's a Johnson. And then his brother get up off
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the ground with these big-ass cornrows. And I was like, oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: come on, man. I... I thought it wasn't us. There
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: was no way. Let me make sure I get this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: right on this Avery Johnson. Let me just make sure.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: This kid. Oh, okay, okay. Now that I look at
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: this picture, I see it. I see it. But still,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't us, man.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Dublin does that to people.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All of that came together and they were fighting
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: in the streets. And by the way, it looked like
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't able to clearly glean a winner.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: No, it was a draw.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It was a draw, which... You know my take on this.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: If the son beats the dad in the fight, daddy
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: ain't shit. On one level or another.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets the big piece of chicken forever.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. What do y'all got to move?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Somebody here has to move. But anyway, I just needed
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to note that before we get going on this. But
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the story clearly of this upcoming college football season is
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Arch Madden. And why? I just need somebody to explain
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to me why. What's the big deal here? Okay, now look,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and I say this as somebody who used to root
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: for Texas until it became a complete and total affront
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to my own dignity for me to continue to do that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I asked the why about Arch, not why people are
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: interested in Look, I think it's not that difficult to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: understand why somebody would be interested at the very least
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: on the surface, right? He is a five-star recruit. He
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: does seem to be very talented. And as I've said
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: many times, I find it interesting that finally Archie Manning's
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: genes passed down with someone who could also throw and run.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Because for those of you who don't understand, Archie Manning
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: could go. And I feel like Archie Manning had to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: be embarrassed at looking at how slow his sons are Um,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of like when some black people look
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: up and find out that the kids can't dance, like, damn,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: how do I create a solution to this problem? But anyway, um,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: um i just want to read something off to you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: right fast so far arch manning in his texas career
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: has started two games has completed 61 of 90 passes
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: for 939 yards nine touchdowns and two interceptions and i
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: want to be very clear that those are really good
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: numbers I also want to be very clear that Arch
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Manning has started two games and could not take the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: job from Quinn Ewers. Now, I don't know why exactly
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: he couldn't take the job from Quinn Ewers. I don't
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: know if you saw it is Ryan, but they did
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: an interview, you know, about press availability. And I forget
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: one of the receivers they asked who threw a more
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: catchable ball, Arch or Quinn. And the response was no comment.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: That's not great.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know which no comment it is.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: That's bad for one of them.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw Quinn Ewers play any
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: preseason football, brother, but I can't. There are people using
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: hyperbolic terms to talk about Arch Manning thus far, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I just don't know where you're getting it from. He
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: may turn out to be that guy. I'm not saying
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: he's not that good. I'm saying I don't know how
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: we know. Right. Like I don't I don't have a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: great understanding why we're so confident in this other than
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: we so believe in the sell now on this kind of.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: The late great Neil Postman made a point in one
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of his books that he thought that we would reach
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a point where a prerequisite for running for political office
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: would be some measure of celebrity that happened prior. He
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: thought that was going to be an effect of television.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And we have seen that bear itself out of the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: political world. I bring that up because these recognizable last
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: names seem to be what creates stars in sports right
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: now as much as anything else is like, oh, you're
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: related to somebody. What gets me about Arch is his
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: daddy wasn't even a quarterback. His daddy is the other one.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The soup with coop dude.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously you have the famous family,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: but it's not coming from that direct gene pool.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yo, that's what I'm saying. Like, we're doing all this
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: for a nephew? For a nephew? Who, by the way,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is about to walk into one of the more pressure-packed
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: situations that I can think of, right? Like maybe he
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: has the Eli Manning gene and all of this just
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: rolls off his back. Maybe he's got the Peyton Manning
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: gene and he thinks too much. I don't really have
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the answer yet. Just like that. Tight as a drum.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Tight as a drum. Couldn't stick a pin in with
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a jackhammer. You are absolutely correct. I don't know if
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it's that one, but Texas is the preseason number one.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: They are starting the season at Ohio State. They are
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: actually underdogs. Preseason number one is underdog in the first game,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: going against the defending national champions. And I just want
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to throw something out here for people who may not
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: be that familiar with Texas football. I'm going to rattle
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: off in my lifetime. And if I'm forgetting somebody, somebody
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: feel free to let me know. But The super duper
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: top notch quarterback recruits, like the ones that walked on
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: campus of people like, oh, something's going to be different now.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Shea Marins. Chris Sims. Vince Young. Garrett Gilbert. And Quinn Ewers.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: None of them went exactly as expected.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: This is a little before me, but Colt wasn't a
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: big-time recruit?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: No. Colt is actually one of the more amazing, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: can't believe this happened out of nowhere, success stories of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: all time.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Also one of the most underrated college careers.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: All-time great. All-time great. He and Tim Tebow are the
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: same caliber of college player. But do you know where
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Colt McCoy originally committed to play college football?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I do not.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: LSU. LSU.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: He committed to go to LSU, and then once it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: became clear that Ryan Paraloo, even if he hadn't told nobody,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: was going to go to LSU, Colt then went to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Texas where Paraloo had been committed. There's like three degrees
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of separation for Ryan Paraloo.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: That's a podcast for 10 people that me and you
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: would be very interested in.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. But all 10 of us would have a ball.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: A ball, I tell you. But every single one of those.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Vince Young, it took a season and a half before
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: that got going. The Chris Sims saga was a four-year
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: drama the whole way. Miranda never turned out to be
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that guy. Gary Gilbert eventually made the NFL but had
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to leave because it was so bad while he was
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: at Texas. And yours, it never quite added up, right?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So now, Ohio State, playing a game at Ohio State
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: as a Texas quarterback, to me, there are three Vince
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Young games from college, three specific Vince Young games. Two
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: of them are Rose Bowls. In between those two Rose
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Bowls was the game at Ohio State where A.J. Hawk had,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I want to say, 10 tackles, one sack, one interception,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and it was an incredible game for a defensive player.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Except the problem was, that dude was on the other
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: side and he walked him down and one day game
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: at the horseshoe. Like that was, that was for real the, Oh,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: something is really happening here with this guy, right? This
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: is the site 20 years later of one of the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: biggest wins in the history of the program. And this
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: is the stadium that Arch Manning is walking into with
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the number one team in America that seems to be
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: finally on the verge of fulfilling the promise of what
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: this program can be in the right people's hands and
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And before this game has even been won, we have
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: people talking about him like he is probably going to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: be the greatest quarterback ever. Not everybody is saying that,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: but this is what we're saying all the way across
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the board. And that all feels like wishing. Right. It
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: all to me just feels like selling a story that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: would be good for business forever. for all parties involved
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: um but it is a amazing to me level of
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: stardom and fame for somebody that hasn't like really done
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: anything i mean you have guys that get super famous
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: in college right reggie bush is a great example of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: a guy like reggie bush matt liner um tim tebow
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: but that level of fame normally comes after they're good
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: yeah to some kind of receipt Right. Like in one
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: form or another, something of, oh, you did this. Like
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Herschel Walker. Right. That's another example. Like there's some form of, oh,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that guy did this. That's why that's not that's not
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: what's happening here.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And Archie Manning was a big time recruit, but he
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: didn't play big time high school football. And, you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: we have a long history of college football, like anticipated debuts.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: But not after a guy has been on campus for
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: two years. That doesn't happen anymore.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Right. And he's got a lot– he had coming out
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of school a lot more truthers than somebody– like the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: range of is it just because his last name is Manning.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Questions about if you're that good playing at the level
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of high school football that you played at, why weren't
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: your teams a little bit better? And look, it's not
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: like that school never had great players, both Mannings, Odell Beckham.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But even still, the question was like, hey, so– you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: they could have been better, right?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of that. There's a lot of,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think that this will be a more interesting situation
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: if we approached it with questions rather than approaching it
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: with hype. But we have decided already that he's the guy.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: This is the story. And I guess we're going to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: see on Saturday. Now, won't we?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Speaking of hype, did you see the excerpt from Seth
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Wickersham's book?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: The one part that I saw. Okay.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I want to read it for the people who have
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: not seen it because I think we're going to say
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, go ahead.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: No one knew where Arch Manning wanted to go to school.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Some in the family preferred Georgia where head coach Kirby
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Smart would coach him hard. Others, Alabama. The problem for
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Alabama was that Nick Saban, whom the Crimson Tide assistants
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: affectionately called Daddy, was getting up there in years and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: no one knew how long he'd be there. Daddy. Daddy.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on. That leads to the next part.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: OK. All right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: So that part was a little dicey.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if you wanted to bring that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no. I do. So for those of
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you who don't remember, Steve Sarkeesian had to leave USC
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: because he suffered one of the more embarrassing moments that
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: anybody has ever had. And he was a raging alcoholic
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and acted bad in public in a way that it
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: could not recover from.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It was publicly embarrassing.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was dreadful. He left there and he made
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the slow walk back, right? He was offensive coordinator in
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the NFL. He then wound up being offensive coordinator at
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Alabama because I think his buddy Lane got him back
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: on at Alabama and then he became an offensive coordinator there.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And he got the Texas job. And Pete Golding, who
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator at Alabama, was the one tasked
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: with recruiting Arch Madden. And he basically said, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he hopes everything goes OK with Sark. Just hope he
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't fall off the wagon.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was it was the most southern
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: passive aggressive thing I've ever seen in my life.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It was it was it was.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: You know, bless his heart, but I hope he doesn't
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: make those mistakes he used to make.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I hope he doesn't fall off the wagon.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And there was somebody says something to go to goodbye.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And he was like. Daddy's on me about this one.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Because I think the thing was, sometimes with a recruit,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: part of it is about how good he is. Part
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of it is about winning. Like, not letting that guy
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else. You don't want Texas to build the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: momentum that comes from having landed a recruit like Arch Manning,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the signal that it winds up giving. Maybe that's not
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the thing that he wants, but yeah, he said, that
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is all me about that one. Here's the thing about it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: As bad as everybody found that, every single job that
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Steve Sarkeesian has gotten after that, somebody has had that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: exact question.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Exact question. I will say this because I actually don't
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: think coaching at Texas comes with a lot of annoying things,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it's a high-pressure job. Being the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Alabama, that's a high-pressure job.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: And he survived that. Once he got to the other
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: side of that, it's kind of like, oh, okay, you know.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You straight. Yeah. I think you're going to wind up
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: being okay. But that is still wild that he was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I hope he doesn't fall off the wagon.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm looking at Pete like, brother, that's, I'm just
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: here to tell you right now, that one's not going
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: to work. They've already thought about this.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Like, I assure you that Archie Manning has already considered
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: this part and has asked this man about it when
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: went nobody else around. Promise you, the recruit got all
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the letters. Daddy's Daddy is all me. I'm sorry, y'all.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I've worked with and for some very impressive people. Some
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: were domineering than others. You know? However, I ain't calling
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: no five foot six man daddy. You got me messed up.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: All right, Bo. We wanted to go through some quick
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: stories for the back half of the show. Stuff you
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: missed when you were on vacation. We're just calling this
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: what I miss. Nothing too crazy. So we're going to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: start with another famous guy with a famous last name,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. That mania has continued. Obviously, he had the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: strong preseason debut. Struggled a little bit in his last
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: time out against the Rams. Three for six for, you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: 14 yards. Took five sacks. But, however, was pulled before
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the two-minute drill in that game for Tyler Hunley. Many
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: of his, you know, strong online contingent is are claiming
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Stefanski is sabotaging him. Bo, your thoughts.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: OK. Not having him run that two minute drill is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a strange decision. Right. I think we would all agree
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that having Tyler Hundley, who none of us think is
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: going to make the team.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Who was cut, who's cut like 24 hours later.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, they're going to keep all four
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks, I think. Right. The idea of Hundley
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: running the two-minute drill under that, what's the point? What
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: were you doing that for? Do I believe that Sanders
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: is being sabotaged? No. I think that is excessive. Do
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I think that he is being put in the best
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: positions to be successful? No. But you know why I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: say that. Because he plays for the Browns. Nobody in
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: that motherfucker is in a position to be successful. What
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the fuck are you talking about?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: He's a fifth round pick for the Browns.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: They're going to start Joe fucking Flacco. I know I've
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: cussed a lot more in this show than I typically
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: would prefer. They're going to start Joe Flacco. Nobody's in
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a position to be successful. They're going to go from him.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: They're going to go to Kenny Pickett. I'm told that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel looked okay. I've asked you Shador folks to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: pace yourselves. Did I not say to pace yourselves? Remember
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: when I said y'all need to pace y'all selves? Just
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: pace y'all selves. Because look, I promise you, he's going
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to get to play because they're all going to get
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to play because they all stink. Okay? Like I saw
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: clips of Shador from the last game. The biggest problem
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: he had before remains the biggest problem that he has
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: right now. He holds the ball too long. Right? That is.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: And some quarterbacks get over that and most don't. Right.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And... He is not an unathletic quarterback, but he's not
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: athletic enough to be the guy that holds the ball
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: too long. Right. He holds the ball too long. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was Deontay Lee of the Ringer who
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: put some clips up running through some of these concepts.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And you can see it. You can say that he
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: was playing behind a bad offensive line. And I'm not
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: saying those things are wrong, but there were throws there
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to be made that he did not make. Right. He's
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: not there yet. I can't get this caught up in
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: somebody who is bad. like at barely make the team
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: level you know i think i think that's i don't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: think that's an unfair characterization to make of him at
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: this point he's like a a kind of sort of
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: make the team kind of player but the conspiracy hold
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: on let me be clear he was not the choice
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of the head coach i would understand that the head
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: coach doesn't want to waste a roster spot on a
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: If I were Stefanski, I'd have faith that I was right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And I'd throw Chateau out there in that second on
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that two-minute drill. And then show the world. Show him, right?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: He couldn't have possibly played that worse. So I don't
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: want to pretend like I don't understand some of the
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: grumbling behind him not playing that two-minute drill. However... Let's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: not pretend like before that two-minute drill, he was showing
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: himself as somebody who was earning his right into playing
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: that two-minute drill, right? I just, I've just, I've never
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: seen a team with five quarterbacks, because don't forget Deshaun Watson,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: nasty ass, still over there. And none of us think
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that they are good. Like, to the big Choudhury fans,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: do you think he's good? I think that's my question. Like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: do you think right now he's good? Maybe you think
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he can be good, but do you truly think right
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: now that he's a good player? And if you don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: think that right now he's a good player, pace yourself.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Pace yourself.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Ryan, what else did I miss?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Speaking of quarterbacks who might not be very good, Daniel
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Jones was named the starter for the Colts over Anthony Richardson.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: The fourth overall pick a few years ago is now
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: going to be the backup for the Colts, and we're
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: going to see Daniel Jones out there week one.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to throw out that I can't
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: find anybody who thinks that Daniel Jones has performed better
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: this preseason than Anthony Richardson. I can't. Right. Now, if
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you want to start getting into your conspiracy theories about
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the head coach simply not wanting to play a quarterback,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: it seems very clear that that is what is going
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: on here. For whatever reason, it seems like and I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: look if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Seems like Steichen and
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Ballard are playing for their jobs. In some capacity. Steichen
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: probably more particularly than Ballard, but I think they feel
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: like they're working for their jobs this season. And they
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable putting their futures in the hands of
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. Again, somewhat understandable. Not understandable. Putting your future
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in the hands of Daniel Jones. Go look at what
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the Giants have. What's left of Russell Wilson... Jameis and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: that Jackson Dart thing.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I'll believe it when I see it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: A quarterback drafted in the 20s. Just go look at
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: how that works out. Typically, Kenny Pickett, I believe, is
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: one of those. Speaking of what we were just talking about. Right. Right.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: And the Giants were like, no, no, we're good. We
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: can't do this. OK, we absolutely cannot do this.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Released him midseason.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. That's right. Because he went to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the Vikings. The Colts paid him $ 14 million. Look, we
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: knew that he was going to be the starter right
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: then and there. You don't pay somebody $ 14 million in
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the NFL not to start. That's not what this is, right?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Those people wanted him to take Anthony Richardson's job. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: when he did not take Anthony Richardson's job, they gave
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: it to him, right? Now, look. I believe you try
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: this Anthony Richardson thing until it just don't work no more, okay?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: He's just too talented. He needs more reps. To me,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the real lesson or the moral of the story with
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is if you need more reps, stay in
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: college until you get the reps because there's no room
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: in the pros for you to get the reps. That
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is another one, by the way, the amazing levels of
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Cam Newton is that Cam Newton was a guy that
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: needed the reps and got him in the NFL, right?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: And managed to make it work. Richardson needs the reps,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: but people's jobs are on the line. They can't just
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: be out here letting you get this practice. He does
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the hard things really well. He seems to struggle with
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the easy things, and it seems abundantly clear that behind
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the scenes, they don't believe. that he is a professional.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: He does not comport himself maturely enough to get everything done.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what has changed, if it's changed this offseason,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: if he has been better, though everything they indicate says
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that they think that he has gotten better. Now, I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: said something in the episode with Michael Smith that we
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: did about black quarterbacks that I felt like Lamar Jackson
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: was the last black quarterback that truly had to overcome
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: his blackness to get a chance. And I think that's
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: still largely true. However, And maybe this is not as
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: much about being a black quarterback as being a white quarterback.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: But the way that they are handling Richardson feels familiar
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: in some ways. But at the same time, we saw
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the thing that Richardson did where he tapped out of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: that game. By the way, back to the back to
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the Browns. They tried to give this job to Joe Flacco.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And he lost it. They had to give it back
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to Anthony Richardson after they tried to get it. But
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the Browns were like, yeah, he can start for us.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: He couldn't beat Anthony Richardson out is what I'm saying.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: All right. But anyway. Giving up on Anthony Richardson at
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the beginning of year three.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That feels a little dicey. right? But the GTBW, good
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to be white of it all, is Daniel Jones is
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: now in, if I am not mistaken, year.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Seven?
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: He was drafted in 2019, right? And we haven't given
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: up yet. We're still approaching him with a level of optimism.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: You still got hope in year seven, Daniel Jones, but
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you have given up on year three of quite possibly
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the most physically talented quarterback that any of us have
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: ever seen. I don't get it. But again, to me,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is going to get to play. I don't
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: know when, but he's going to get to play. Because
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the other guy is Daniel Jones. That's not. Y'all might
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: as well have gone back and got Jacoby Brissett again.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy Richardson is starting to feel like the Steelers
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: quarterback of 2026. That is right.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: That is right. That is right. But I tell you this.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Say it again. Say it again. You knew. You knew
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: they was giving that job to Daniel Jones when they
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: gave him $ 14 million. But you knew they didn't believe
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: in Anthony Richardson when they weren't the ones to go
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: get Tyler Huntley or to go get Jameis Winston or
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to go get one of the many quarterblacks that would
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: have bought you time.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Josh Johnson.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's playing for somebody, by the way. I want
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to say Washington.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I think he's on a roster.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him at Washington. But there were blackups
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: galore that they could have brought in. Blackups galore. And instead,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: cross your fingers about Daniel Jones.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: All right. Speaking of a gamble, Malik Beasley is no
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: longer a target of a federal investigation. His lawyers told
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: ESPN they had extensive conversations with the Eastern District of
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: New York. Quote, months after this investigation commenced, Malik remains
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: uncharged and is not a target of this investigation. An
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: allegation with no charge, indictment, or conviction should have never
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: had the catastrophic consequence that has caused Malik. This has
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: been literally the opposite of perception of innocence.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Sort of. The presumption of innocence part has happened in
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: that he has not been charged. Correct. Or sent to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: jail or any of those things. The problem was you
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: had to tell the world, hey, this guy's under investigation
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: for shaving points. You might not want to give him
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars right now.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: What else are you going to do?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what anybody... And he's right. It's really
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: messed up what happened to him. You know what it is?
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: You remember when Lyle Collins came out of LSU?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And his ex-girlfriend had gotten killed and they just asked
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: him questions about it, but it was post Aaron.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: From the first round and undrafted.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Right, but it was post Aaron Hernandez.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: And so everybody, and the cops were like, yo, we
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: don't think he did it. And they were like, hey,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you never know.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So they all left him alone. That's where Beasley wound up. Well,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: now all the money's gone. I guess maybe he's going
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: to need to go to China. Right. I guess the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: people that might want to break his legs, they can't
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: do that in China. I don't know if I need
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to break his legs, but we know that boy ain't
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: got no money. This is a real, real. What is
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: he going to do? I do think is a very, very, very.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Fair question. I am proud of the right tile, because
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: remember we had Tom Haberstroh all right after that, and
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Haberstroh made it clear, like, no, he doesn't seem to
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: be doing the point-shaving behaviors.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Haberstroh was on that very early.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But I want to know, though, how exactly he then
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: wound up getting caught up.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we have more questions than answers.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Like, just because you owe a bunch of people a
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: bunch of money doesn't mean you've reached the point of
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: shaving points. Correct. all right so i get where his
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: people are coming from they i mean they did him
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: dirty that was a terrible situation um that he wound
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: up in but he still owes those people a lot
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: of money.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's gonna have to pay that find some way
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: to pay that bar i.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Was about to say and now he's had to pay
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: these people back you know what option for him is
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: now off the table for getting that money Point shaving.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: He can't do it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Now he can't even do that. I don't know what
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: he ought to do. He ought to start moving bricks.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I got no idea. He need to get this money fast.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Y'all just took right there, go right fast. His way
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of doing it, right? All because y'all was being nosy.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: All right. Another news. Big fight coming up this November.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Jake Paul is going to fight Gervonta Davis in Atlanta.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: They're going to fight on Netflix. And the Jake Paul
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: circus continues, Boe.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Yo, this is my only issue with this. The numbers
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: apparently are very high. Like, money-wise. What's going to be
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: thrown around here? Okay. None of us think that Jake
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Paul has any chance in an actual, factual boxing match
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: with Javante Davis. None of us do.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Even with the very large-sized bench that Jake Paul has.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: None of us think. None of us think, right? Like,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: we have seen... Okay, I'll put it like this. You
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: have a huge size advantage over Floyd Mayweather. Right? Right.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Today's Floyd Mayweather, you still think he's still got something
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: for you. The issue is this. I don't think that Davis– wow,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. I didn't realize
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: he was this little.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: No, he's little.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, I misunderstood. Don't they call that boy Tank? That's ironic.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Tank is for sturdy, not for size.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even then, damn. He only got
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: to land a couple. This is all he's got to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: do is land a couple. None of us think that
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Jake Paul can fight a real fighter. We've seen him
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: fight facsimiles of fighters, the shells of fighters. But this
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: is an actual, factual fighter. You think Jake Paul can
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: land any punches against Davis? Now, my question is this.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: How hard is Davis allowed to hit this man? Are
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: we really doing this? And how much money are you...
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Does he owe gamblers money? Because I would think that
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: an actual boxer would have too much dignity to engage
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: in this.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: You would think so.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I would think. But no, Jake. Are people
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: actually going to watch this one? I understood why people
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: would watch the Mike Tyson one.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Because it's Tyson.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that went beyond boxing and
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: got interesting to the general public. Is the general public
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: going to find this interesting?
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think casual, even casual sports fans know
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: who Devontae Davis is.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you this. You know my general feelings
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: about being careful messing with them short people. He is
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: a short person who is also from Baltimore. That's right.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: You know who else you don't want to fight? Muggsy Bogues.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: A short person from Baltimore. Ask my homie Rod about
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: what happened the time somebody tried to press up on
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Muggsy Bogues. All right. Did I miss anything else?
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: This is our last one. You missed the Internet's stupidest
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: culture war. There was a rebrand at Cracker Barrel. They
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: changed the logo. They changed the inside decor. And people
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: were mad. It's as quick as I can summarize. Yeah.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. So the long of the story, long of the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: short is the Cracker Barrel logo has a barrel logo.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And a white man in it. They took the barrel
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: and the white man out of the logo and now
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it's just yellow and it says Cracker Barrel. I saw
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of the right wing has attempted to use
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: this to get to party cracking and blame this on
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: wokeness somehow. The wokeness of Cracker Barrel. Yeah, yeah. So
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: basically what they're saying is that they took that white
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: man out the logo and that's where their problem happened.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Not the barrel, just the white man. Not the barrel,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: just the white man. You can't have no white man
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: in there. What I had a bigger problem with, and
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I don't care about Cracker Barrel. I don't know the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: last time I went to a Cracker Barrel. What I
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: found interesting about it is the larger continuation of every
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: logo getting more and more boring. Right. Like the new
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: logo is just boring. It has no character to it.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Any of those things I want to know. And I
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: would love to see somebody throw this question to the
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: people complaining the loudest. Ask them all when the last
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: time you went to Cracker Barrel. Just throw it out there.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: When's the last time you went to Cracker Barrel? Because
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I promise you, if you really like Cracker Barrel that much,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: all you care about is if them pancakes don't hit.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: You're going to keep on going to Cracker Barrel. Y'all
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: ain't been to no Cracker Barrel in no time.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're between two stops, and that's your only option.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Either you're going to go hungry or you're going to go.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would just make this point. At some point,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: We got to start ignoring these fools.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: So people want to make this foolish argument. We don't
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: have to do the, this is nasty. Taste this. Right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Like you don't have to do that. Like I saw
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: there was some video, some dude that was on his
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Instagram live and somebody walked up and shot him and
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: killed him. And people were like retweeting it and then
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: saying this should not be posted. But here you go.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Right? Like creating the spread of it. No, man. At
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: some point, we got to let these people just be
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: stupid and ignore the stupid things that they do. They
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: are mad that Cracker Barrel changed. Also, had Cracker Barrel
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: been losing... like a whole lot of everything I.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Can't imagine the market share of Cracker Barrel has been
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: going up in the last 10 years no.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying like apparently it's been going down
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: so they felt like they had to shake something up
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and make a change I don't know like maybe if
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: y'all had been going there and showing more respect to
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that white man in that barrel at the time we
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be here now would we Will we? Yeah, that's
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: what I thought. But ladies and gentlemen. I was about
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: to go into the whole spiel, but I want to
• 59:39
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• 59:45
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• 59:47
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• 59:50
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• 59:54
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• 59:57
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• 59:59
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:02
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• 1:01:05
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• 1:01:11
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• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:25
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• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:39
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