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Episode 46 - Overdevelopment and the SAVE BOCA Movement · GenX Adulting Podcast

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  [Music]Welcome to GenX Adulting and for this episode we are going to get a littlepersonal. Well I guess we've gotten very personal.
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  Personal and political I think.I don't know about political, we try to stay out of politics but we havegotten incredibly personal in past episodesI guess but. This is nothing in comparison.Yeah true true. And it's political and localpolitics. True local politics that's very true.So this is currently personal.
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  It's about thetown we live in and there's some controversy going onthat's surrounding some open space public landthat is 31 acres of open space and within thatthere is 17 acres called Memorial Parkwhich was dedicated to World War II vets in 1947and our local government wants to put this 31acres of open land open space in our downtown areainto the hands of developers so that they can build housing, hotel, stores.Put the picture up. This is the mock up, theplan of it and if you look at our video or we did ashort a couple days ago, um, taking picturesof the tennis courts that were there, the park,the basketball courts, our community center, thesoftball fields, the skate park, the children'smuseum. It would all be replaced with thismonstrosity of just crap to be honest with you.It's a, it's a hotel, maybe more than onehotel, housing, stores, cafes, restaurants.We have old growth banyan trees all over a lotof this open space and there's been mixed messagesas far as sometimes they say that the banyan treeswill not be cut down and then other times when youlook at what they're planning on doing it'salmost impossible to do what they want to dowithout cutting down some of the banyan trees.The latest I saw today they came out with a revisedplan there. I think let's, let's say there'ssix banyan trees. They plan to keep five andmove one of them, which isn't going tohappen. You can't, those things are almost a hundredyears old I think. Yeah, yeah. But to give alittle bit of history, so like I said, uh, Memorial Parkalso called, um, war memorial was dedicatedin 1947. And what's interesting about this landis that it was part of the Boca Raton Army Airfield, which was established in 1942by the U.S. Army Corps. And the base served asour nation's sole training center for top secretairborne radar operators.
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  And it, uh, thatplayed a critical role in the Allied victory.Thousands of servicemen and women trained inthis space we're talking about before deploymentoverseas. And so, uh, the war ended and twoyears later this space was named Memorial Parkor war memorial in honor of the, um, you know,the servicemen and women that train there and theveterans that served in World War II. And I dothink that, um, it even expanded into all veterans,kind of a dedication for all veterans. Andopponents are saying that because there wasn'tan official war memorial building, so, uh,anything on the property wasn't dedicated asthis is the designated onsite war memorial, whetherit was a statue or a building that there's nothing.When it was dedicated, it was like the wholepark, the 17 acres was the war memorial, but opponentsare really picking to find, uh, the debateseems to be over the park's name and intent.So do you need like a bust or a statue?Something like that, a plaque to make it official?It seems so. It seems that the whole 17 acresisn't quite enough of a dedication you need tohave had. They're saying because thereisn't something specific that that doesn't provethey're ignoring the intent. And you can go back and look at old newspaper articlesin Boca Raton. And it's very obvious thatthis is a dedication. This is a memorial park.Not to interrupt you, but I was readingsomething on the sayboca.org site. I think it was,and it's talking about how the Boca historicalsociety may have changed some of the verbiage.Can't verify that. Maybe an accusation.
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  Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not,but that's how hotly contested this thinghas become. Um, but they changed the wording toreference or refer to the park. Kind of likeyou're talking about where it's in, there's nostatute. There's no official declaration.The land itself being dedicated and calledmemorial park. Isn't enough that the council went in and said that basically. Yeah.Not you didn't say the Boca Raton historical society.Yeah. Yeah. I'll look it up as we're talking. I think I saw that.So you're saying the Boca Raton historicalsociety was citing saying that that wasn't enough andthat it's not a memorial park.
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  I'm not sayingthat what I'm saying is in the, there's an FAQout there where the language was changed to favorthe pro development over building of the community.Yeah. So the, the FAQ on the website, the townwebsite for the information is a seems to be fluidbecause yes, they keep changing the factfrequent, the facts of the frequently asked questions. Um,depending on how things are going, all of asudden you go there and that frequently asked questionis has now has a different answer. Um, so Ididn't realize that that was a subjective thingwhere you could just go in and alter itdepending on the mood or the, um, temperature of thesituation. But I do think answers to frequentfrequently asked questions are fluid. They canbe right. This new information comes about.That's true. But this doesn't feel like newinformation. No, this is, this is establishedinformation. And if you go back to articles,um, there have been some local reporters who'vewritten already done some really good writeupsabout the subject. Um, and one in particular,he found articles where the town, when it wastalking about different events going on thetown, it would say at Memorial park, that at a, atMemorial park, this has been Memorial park, warMemorial, either one people have called it the warMemorial since 1947. And that is being completelyignored. And, um, because if, if it was, if theyhad to acknowledge that they couldn't do whatthey want to do. What do you mean? If it was a warMemorial, if it was a truly, like if it is adedicated Memorial park, but if it had, um, whatthey're saying, a building or like, you can'tgo into Washington DC and just build on the worldwar two Memorial, it's a Memorial to veterans.So if, if they were forced to acknowledge this asan actual Memorial to veterans, they wouldn't be able to develop it.Yeah. I am displaying now some of the, this is off the say bokeh.org website.Yeah. And you can see that's the painting treesare going to cut down. There it is. There's anoriginal FAQ statement and a new one. Yeah.And it's, it's hard for us to read it right here,but they did change the verb. They changedthe verbiage, but, but as you alluded to before,and we did make, we went out and signed thepetition. Um, the petition is basically sayingthat there needs to be a vote on this. Thisis public land. So the people need to vote.The people have a right to vote. Um, and so wewent out, we signed the petition.
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  It was storming.We, uh, took film of the area. There are 10clay tennis courts. There are softball fields,baseball fields, basketball courts, a greatplayground, open space. There's a skate park.There's shuffleboard, uh, courts. There's ahistoric children's museum that has the secondoldest building in Boca on it. And then ofcourse there's our community center and our city hall.And one interesting thing they were trying tosay is that in exchange for this, we will get a newcity hall, but from my research, I found outthat we Boca Raton has to front the cost of the cityhall. So it's not an exchange.
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  We have to frontthe cost of our city hall and then, okay, sure.They'll build it. To be honest with you, whogives a shit about the city hall that this is crazy.You know, it's, it was, I was thinking about this.We were just up in Washington DC last weekend fora wedding and the nicest buildings are allgovernment owned. It's crazy.
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  It shouldn't bethat way. Right. And so the city wants to buildthese, you know, this wonderful city hall, whichpeople really don't, don't care to go to. There'sno reason to really go to city hall. Yeah. Yeah.It's crazy. I mean, people, you sure having anice city hall is, it's not a priority. That's whatyou're saying. It's not a priority.
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  Not at all.What I'm concerned with as a citizen is I wantopen space and that little area there's prettynice, right? It's not bad.
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  I want less traffic.And the, in the, you know, there's a lot offolks focusing on the war memorial aspect of this andthe dedicated land in the open space. Thereality is there is massive gridlock on the corner ofPalmetto and Dixie and Palmetto and federal, right?It's so bad that people, when you're heading down,if you're heading east on Palmetto towards thebeach and the light turns red, people literallypull into the middle of the intersectionbecause they don't want to have to wait too long. Theywant to just game the system, right? It's likeyou're in New York. Right.
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  But we're in, in our,they're in New York with that, that kind ofmentality. Yeah. No, the congestion is off thecharts. Maybe Boca in general has been over, overdeveloping completely and not our infrastructurehas not been altered in any way or supported.And I think people also may not be aware, butstarting around end of October through mid Aprilor so, or maybe beginning of April, just dependswhen Eastern Passover fall, um, is seasoned forus. So our population grows significantly fromall the snowbirds that come down here. So it'scongested just when it's us quote unquote localsdefine what season is. What do you mean by that?Season is when the snowbirds come. It's when thepeople from the North come down and they havehomes down here and they have their cars shippeddown here many times on the, uh, what arethey called? Traction trailers or car carriers orwhatever. Yeah. And they, they live here fromlike, I mean, people would probably say likeNovember to March, I think it starts around. Igo by Costco whenever, when I see them at Costco,it's like, okay, it's season.
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  And then whenCostco is kind of empty again, season's over,but, um, it's a good half of our year is whenit's seasoned and the snowbirds are here. And soI don't know the numbers. I don't know how muchour population increases, but it's significant.And it adds to the traffic.
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  It's noticeable.It's hard to go to restaurants.
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  It's the grocerystores get crazy. You have to adjust as alocal, you adjust a lot of your regular daily life.That's just normal. But then the congestionfrom the extra traffic, because they do bring theircars down here. So I can't even imagine if thisarea gets developed, it is in downtown. And the,the thing is, is this is downtown, but youthink of downtown, right? And a lot of people think,you know, buildings and concrete, but Oka downtown is very lush. It's very green.There are a lot of open spaces. East Bocain particular has its own beachy charm vibe.It's different than central Boca and it's really different than West Boca.And anyone who's lived in Boca Raton would agree.And so part of having that chill beachy vibe andthat small town community feeling is having theopen spaces and having the recreation facilitiesthat are open to all the families.
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  And if youput high rises, or you put a hotel, or you putmore housing or restaurants, cafes, if you covereverything with that, if you put Meisner parks,everywhere all over downtown Boca, then you havecompletely changed the entire vibe of East Boca.Well, it's already happened, right? Look atthat monstrosity of an eyesore called the Mandarin.Right? Yes. This thing's been under developmentfor what? Three, five, seven years or something?I don't even know. I don't remember when they started.It's a condo hotel. I don't know what it is. I think it's a condo. It's giant.It's a perpetual high rise construction site.
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  Yes. And it's absolutely terrible.For anyone that's familiar with Boca,that's on the corner of Federal and Camino, Real.Yeah. Just across the street or not too far,half a mile away on the west side of Dixie,the old Wawa location got turned into high rise apartments, right?No, that was the, was that the Piggly Wiggly or something?No, no, it was the Wawa.It's something like a Piggly Wiggly, but it's nota Piggly Wiggly, but it's another grocery store.And they tore down the grocery store and they puthigh rises. I don't think those are even near full.I don't think they are either.And that area is congested.That's what I'm saying. Yeah.So they've taken these small little parts ofEast Boca and put these high rise apartmentsthat aren't even filling up, but the peoplethat are there are adding to the congestion.But now to do this in this area that's kind ofcentrally located, it doesn't make any sense.I mean, I understand it's all about money, but it does not make any sense to me.Other than money, why would you do such a thing?Well, I think the argument is they're affordable housing, which is bullshit.They're saying that this new project willbring business in, so commercial real estate,which is bullshit because on our way homeyesterday, or whenever it was a couple of days ago,I counted at least, we counted at least eightcommercial locations that are vacant that havesigns up saying available to lease. One of themwas the CVS. Then there was about four or fiveright in that general area. Right? Yeah.So the town is making these projections andthey put a capital B like it's billions of dollarsof revenue. So they're, they're pitching it as a, as a moneymaker for the city.It'll help develop the city with no increasein taxes, which is pure bullshit because they'reprojecting this out the net present value ofthis project. And they're, they're forecastingit out 99 years, 99 years. No one borntoday is even going to be around in 99 years.Wait, what do you mean?You can't forecast out the revenue and the impact over 99 years.They're saying that BOCA will earn billionsof dollars by this, but it'll be 99 years.No, what it is. So it's a 99 year lease.Right? So this is going to be, they're leasing thisproperty or this space to this private developmentcompany for 99 years. What they're saying is thatthe, um, this project will generate revenue forthe city in the form of commercial locate businessesand taxes there, probably hotel revenue andreceipts. Um, probably the, whatever housingit's going in there, right?
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  That's going to fillthe city's coffers with money.
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  That's going to helpoffset our local property taxes. And it'sthe, so it's a, you know, they're forecasting,they're saying over 99 years, we're going tobring in billions of dollars pure bullshit.Right. That's what I meant.
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  So over that 99year time, you might, it'll maybe bring in thebillions of dollars, but it's nothing thatwe're going to feel or see any, anytime soon,or for most of the people that live here rightnow, by making it 99 years, your multiplier istimes 99. It's, you can't predict thatit's, it's stupid. It's, it's stupid to do that,but they're projecting for this developmentcompany. They will have a 99 year lease. Yeah.So once they sign this over to thiscompany, this, this development company has controlof 31 acres of public land to do whatever theywant with for 99 years to do whatever they wantwith might be a stretch, right?
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  That's what's kindof happening now. It's getting sorted out, right?But I mean, let's face it once you destroy theproperty and it becomes this ugly monstrosity,concrete jungle, right? Where it's currently open grass and old trees,it all bets are off. It short-term memory setsin 10, 15, 20 years out. They could easily go uphigher. You're giving up open space now for thepromise of tomorrow, but you're also relinquishinga lot of control and other zoning laws and stuff like that. Right. But apparentlyI don't want to accuse the city council orthe mayor of, of illegal things, but you know,there's something's wrong here. So who'sprofiting, right? You got to follow the money on this typeof thing. Yeah. And so I, not making anyaccusations. I have no data to suggest any of thatexcept my age experience and, and just lookingaround at how stupid this is.
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  Right. Right. Thatmakes sense. No, it does make sense. And, um,I think the most, one of the most interestingthings about all of this is that they called ita government campus, campus redevelopment plan.So, um, cause the mayor did come out with somethingyesterday, actually, um, a new message. And in it,he said, you know, that they'd been discussingthis particular project for over three years and thathe has sent out new numerous newsletters aboutit. And there's been meetings about it and, um,there hasn't been a lot of interest in it. And,and I felt it was a little passive aggressive,but whatever. Um, but in there, it's like,yeah, you were calling it a, uh, government campusredevelopment. So any regular person that livesin Boca is going to think, Oh, they're rebuildingthe city hall. Oh, they are real bit rebuildingthe recreation center. Oh, maybe they're going toupgrade the tennis courts.
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  Like we, I thinkmost of us thought they're just going to make thatupgrade. What's already there.
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  They're goingto maintain what's there, but make it nicer. Andthen come to find out, no, they're giving thisall over to a developer developer.
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  So I think therewas, um, it was very misleading. Let's put it that way. It was very misleading.I do think that's a segue into really what'spro what's problematic for local governments,right? As local citizens, it's so often as thecase, local governments have people running fortheir offices, mayor city council, town council,whatever. Most of the citizen re, uh, doesn't payattention to what's who's funding thesepeople's campaigns, who these people are. And it's onlyonce they're in office and they start doingvarious things, do you realize, okay, you kindof get a peek into it, right?
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  This currentregime has overdeveloped the downtown area.They've even probably you can make a case,maybe they've developed, overdeveloped some of thewesterly part of town, right?
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  They're on Clintor a Clint Moore and, uh, military, right? The oldoffice depot campus is going to get half one thirdof it's getting knocked down to have like a six orseven or 10 store. I don't even know how big amulti-story multi-development or multi-purposebuilding put out there. Do we need that? I don'tknow. Probably not. But, but that, but either way.So my point is people get elected, they startdoing things that serve their own personal interests.Most of the, most of the population's nottracking this stuff and that's our fault. That is ourfault. And it's not just our fault in our townhappens everywhere. I will go into it in a littlewhile, but I can even speak to the town Igrew up in, how it was overdeveloped.
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  And you've,you've been there. What used to be a nice townthat you could easily navigate and cruise aroundand no problem. It's now a traffic nightmareand all the woodlands that used to be our oldplayground are all now McMansions and old andhouses that all look the same.
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  And, um, and it'shappening here. Yeah. That's what's happening toour town. Well, and I think something else that'salso happening maybe all over America, I'm notsure, but I've definitely have seen it here inFlorida. And I'd be curious if any listenersare listening about this, uh, if it's happening intheir area, but, um, I remember years ago,there was this concept of copying what Europe doeswhere you live in the same place where yougrocery shop, where you eat almost maybe whereyou go to school. Like everything is withinwalking distance. And it's almost like you're creatingthese little towns. Well, it's even worse. Um,and it is a trend. You remember the game sim tower?You probably don't. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do.There was some tower. You could make a tower andyour high rise. You put in elevators, yougot stores on the bottom and add a dry cleaner.So it's that's what's going to happen at thatoffice, deep a location. And it's already happenedjust south of that, at that 10 X location, right?Yeah. Where the, the burger places, the Chipotle,yeah, that whole thing. There's probably a drycleaner there. There's a, there's a shopping,uh, the grocery store. I first saw this up inAshburn, Virginia, though, when I was up there,probably 10 years ago. Um, and there's a, therewas a tower up top was people living down belowwith the grocery store, dry cleaners, um, acrossthe street was a home depot.
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  So you didn't haveto go too far. Right. And that'sabsolutely happening. And then, and then COVID hits.And now that really starts to take off because,okay, people are working from home. They don'tnecessarily have to travel.
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  They can just godownstairs and do their grocery shopping. Don'treally need the dry cleaner so much anymore, butyeah, self-contained units.
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  Yes. Very much so. Butit insulates people and it, I mean, Iunderstand the convenience of it, but it's efficient, butI don't know. You, you definitely don't have asmall town vibe in that situation because youhave these tiny little almost cities withinthemselves. And I don't know.
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  I feel like youlose the character of a mom and pop stores. AndI mean, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,it makes me sad. It really does. And that'sprobably what strikes a chord for me here is thatwhere they want, what they want to do with thisland today, it's community.
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  It's softball fields.It's basketball courts. It's a playground. It'stennis courts, but not only that, right? Becausethat allows you to have some organized sports andvolunteering and coaching. Right.
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  I used to do that.But what happens is you, you can't go play. Yourfriends can't go with a football and just throw afootball around. Right. You can't go down thereand throw a frisbee around in the open grass. Youcan't just go kick a soccer ball. Well, you canright now. You can right now.
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  But once you get ridof that stuff, where do you go? And I feel likethe mayor in his statement yesterday also tried tosay that he said something like, let's face it,or let's be honest. Very few residents go to thisarea and that's not true.
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  There were peoplethere just last night. They were using all thefacilities. It's, it's used by people that doplay tennis there. There's kids.
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  I've played tennis.Yes. But Dylan there. Yeah.
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  There's kids thatplay softball, baseball, kick the soccer ball, playbasketball. It's used. Yeah.
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  It is used. And youknow, Boca, a lot of people that you don't knowBoca, you might have an idea about Boca. Thereis wealth, some wealth here and all that. And yes,we do have some really nice clubs and areas wherepeople can go play tennis, but there are regularpeople here in Boca too. There that could use,they do use the tennis courts there. You know,it's, it's affordable recreation for just regularpeople that want to go and just throw the footballor kick the soccer ball.
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  And you're going toremove all of that freedom from, it's such a centralpoint of the community. Well, you know whatthey're doing too. If you look at the year,their master plan right there. And they came out today, I think saying, we'll add more tennis courts.We'll do this and do that. I bet they'llcharge. Well, not only that, but right now,at least in that area, it's a nice open freeflowing space. It's nice.
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  Yeah. It's nice. Andthey want to put in these just shitty lookingbuildings that look the same as everything elseand turn it into a concrete jungle. And it'snice right now. Yeah, it really is. And I think,you know, when we had posted our shortyesterday, there was some people that commentedup in New York that it's happening even in, Ithink somebody commented it's happening in Brooklyn.Yeah, from Brooklyn to Boca was there.Yeah. This seems to be just such a trend is thisover development. And it's, I don't understand,I get it. A ton of people moved to Florida duringCOVID. So I understand we grew like crazy all over Florida. It was insane. Butthe over development everywhere, it confusesme because I don't feel like they're fillingall the buildings or all the apartment buildingsor all the houses. I don't feel like people aremoving into all these places, but theykeep developing, developing, developing. Well,I mean, it makes sense, right?
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  Real estate issuch a huge part of our economy from everythingfrom the raw materials being sold. Sothose people make some money.
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  The guys that aremake some money. The guys who deliver it, they getpaid, they make some money.
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  The guys who build it,they get paid, they make some money. Thepoliticians who approve it, I think they get paid too. Again,I don't want to accuse anybody of anything,but there's no, it makes no sense to approve thisstuff. The realtors who sign the leases sell theproperties, they get a cut of the action. So itmakes sense. It's an economic engine to do all ofthis. If you own the land and you sell the land,you have every right to do all of thatstuff. But when it comes to this kind of project,it just reeks of greed. It really does because,and I was reading something on Facebook today,somebody posted to that Save Boca, maybe it was the Facebook page, I think it was,just talking about what kind of legacy do youwant to leave? And I remember seeing the mayorat the Hobachi place a couple of Christmas yearsago, I think it was. That's when we typically go.Right? Yeah. And he was there with his family.And, you know, I, it was, I almost wanted to say,hey, I think you're doing a decent job, but itwas there with his family and it wouldn't have beenappropriate. I don't think he's doing a good jobanymore. And I know he has kids and is this thelegacy wants to leave? Like the C plan to be inthe community? Do any of these people plan to bein the community? And if so, do they ever go downthere? Have they sat in that gridlock on Palmettoand Dixie or sat in that, that gridlock onPalmetto in federal? You would never want tomake your legacy be, yeah, we made this big,beautiful pile of shit. We, yeah, we got rid ofsome banyan trees. We got rid of the softballfields that were there, the park, the nice openspace. That's their legacy that they'rechasing. And I find that weird.
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  I find it weird. Well,and I wondered do if they don't, they may notlive in this area. They may live out in West Boca orthey may live in central Boca.
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  And I always sayBoca is three parts and three different personalitiesin three different towns within Boca. So if youlive in West Boca, you really have, you only comeover to East Boca for maybe a restaurant orsomething, but, or you drive through East Bocato get to the beach, but you don't do a lot ofyour life here. And so if they live in West Boca,they don't feel an affinity to what life islike here. And to your point, they may not evenexperience what we all experience living here,but we've lived here for almost 20 years. And Ican't tell you the change, the change from whenwe moved here and I get it, things are going tochange. I understand that, but some of it is justa, it's just so offensive. It's just so ridiculous.And you know, I know that, um, the whole thingMeissner park's so great and that was a success.And so this will be a success.
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  Like I saidbefore, we don't want a bunch of Meissner parks. Whatmakes Meissner parks is that the air is only oneMeissner park, you know? Great point. And latelyit's been a revolving door of business. It'snot like you can, there's a couple yard housesbeen there for a while, right?
• 30:31
  There's a fewothers, you know, better than I do. Yeah, butevery, but it's been a main, uh, a major rotationin the last few years. Yeah.
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  No, it's not even likethere's definitely been things that have comeand gone. So I, I think, again, their vision,it's like they want to make a East Boak downtownBoca. They call it downtown Boca. Yeah. They callit downtown. Guess what we call it? East Boca.We call it home. We call it home. Yeah. Right.This is East Boca. This isn't downtown Boca to us.Those of us who live here don't think of ourselvesas living downtown. We live in East Boca.Well, that's, but that's the rub. They're trying tomake it a downtown. Yes. Like a Miami downtown ora Fort Lauderdale downtown or a West Palm downtown.Yeah. That's not the vibe here. They're tryingto change East Boca into a downtown.
• 31:21
  Like what youjust said, we don't want that.
• 31:27
  Yeah. It's notanything. That's what makes this area so specialis we don't want to know offensive to FortLauderdale. We don't want to look like FortLauderdale. We don't want to look like West Palm.Delray beach has its own unique character with theav and Boca has its own unique character with asmall town beachy feel and with things that aregoing on, right? It's just, it's like acity within a small town. It's hard to explain,but we don't want it to feel like a downtown.It's not a priority for most of the citizens here.Well, what's fascinating to me is theemail the mayor sent out on Sunday, how he saidthey he's, they've been communicating the planfor the last three years and that for the lastthree years, they've been hyper focused onredeveloping that area, right? That that'stheir main priority. I think those were his wordsthat it's been our, our, we've been hyper focusedor it's our main priority to develop thatarea, which is crazy to me because as a person wholives here, my main priority is how do I getfrom South Boca to North Boca on Dixie or federalin less than a half an hour?
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  Yeah. And it usedto be 15 minutes or 10, 10 to 15 minutes to makeit down to the park where we do flag football.Yeah. Now that's 20 minutes for, yeah. Any timea day. Yeah. That's crazy. No, it is. It's the, Iwould be congestion, traffic congestion. And I'msure central Boca has its own issues and so doesWest Boca. So I'm not leaving them out, but what'shappening right now is an East Boca. Yeah. Andagain, you know, South, well, South Florida is,you know, not, not to catch up, but West Boca isoverdeveloped too, right? Along what is it? 441 isthat, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  441. It's alloverdeveloped traffic nightmare.
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  Yeah. No, for sure.But South Florida is unique because South Florida does have its own unique charmand its own history. And part of that is wherewe live at least from Miami all the way up until,gosh, Jupiter, Vero. It's, it's beach towns.Like these are towns along the beach, right? Anda lot of them have been able to hold on to theirold unique charm. And the, I think what has madeBoca so special is, but you have Miami,you have Hollywood, you have Fort Lauderdale,and then you get to Pompano and you get toDeerfield Beach. And Deerfield Beach actuallyhas held on to its charm in a lot of ways.Actually, I mean, there's really nice beachesdown in Fort Lauderdale, some nice neighborhoods.There is. Hollywood has the boardwalk area. That'spretty cool. There is. Miami obviously has SouthBeach and stuff like that. But I'm talking about,there's that downtown vibe and in Miami,Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale. Yeah.
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  Right. But the thingabout Boca is you'd get to Boca and it feltlike, Boca's downtown just felt like just a regularneighborhood, small town in a way. It was just,you didn't feel like you were entering a downtown.You never once felt like you were entering adowntown. In the last, last five years, for sure.Now you do. Yeah. It's starting.
• 34:43
  And if theykeep going, it's lost. All of it is lost. Yeah.Because once it starts, you can't put it back inthe, in, it's done. It's, you know, so I think,you know, to our listeners, if you're still withus, because I know this is very local to what'sgoing on with us, but who knows? Maybe in yourtown, you're also trying to deal with some overdevelopment and are fighting the good fight totry to hold on to the history or the charm of yourcity or your town. I do think a lot of this ishappening all over our country.
• 35:16
  And so we may be,what's going on with us may just be symbolic ofwhat could be going on for a lot of other listeners.I do think that's, that is going on. I feellike a message for everybody who's listening is toprotect your town. If you like your town, protectit. Because I think we voted for people. We thoughtwe could trust. And then it turns out that theycan't be trusted. And this isn't just Boca, right?We're talking about it because it's our town, butwhere I grew up in Sparta, right?
• 35:45
  They have theirown controversies going on up there where,you know, like I say, when I was a kid, this isfascinating to me because I was thinking aboutit. It's probably the genesis of why I just havesuch a distrust in government.
• 35:58
  When I was a kid, Iremember we had in New Jersey, there were wetlandslaws. You were not allowed to develop or buildproperties in the wetlands.
• 36:08
  Well, they did. Youknow, when I was a kid, we used to play aroundFox Hollow in Sparta. It was all swampy. Wetlandhad those skunk cabbages, which have to grow invery moist soil. It's all homes now. When I wasyounger, Hemlock Hill was one of the firstdevelopments in Sparta off of Green Road andSawmill Estates and other places.
• 36:30
  And we used toplay in a stream back there.
• 36:33
  We'd catch fish andfrogs and stuff. It's all homes. And soit's all corrupt, local government corruptionbeing bought out and paid for by developers, you know, and that happens everywhere.Yeah.Unfortunately. And so if you live in a smalltown, you probably, maybe you can trust those,you know, the folks for a little while,but you got to keep a real close eye on them.And I think that goes back to your originalpoint is stay active as much as you can, or keep yourfinger on the pulse as much as you can. And Iknow we all get busy with our lives and we certainlydid, but you think you, who you're voting in, youcan trust. And so you think that you don't have towatch as closely, but you do becausebefore you know it, you're being presented witha part of your town that is cherished andbeloved. That's going to be handed over to people thataren't from your town that don't care about yourtown that are in it for the money and have theirown vision that does not align with your townbecause they haven't, they don't know the cultureof our town. They don't have it lived it.And so whatever they're going to put thereis going to be uncomfortable and is going tobe foreign to all the people that live hereinstead of working with the citizens from the start.Well, they claim to, right?
• 37:59
  But most of usas citizens are asleep at the wheel. Again,we vote these people and we expect them torepresent our interests. The things most of uscare about are decent schools, open spaces,you know, good police department.
• 38:15
  We want goodhealthcare nearby. You know, we have a greatbike lane system here in town.
• 38:20
  We've got beautifulbeaches. We have the police are excellent. Thefire department is excellent.
• 38:28
  All the city workersin our city are great guys.
• 38:31
  You know, if you sitand talk with them and whether it's everyone fromthe sanitation guys to the guys who work thefields, you know, they do a great job keepingthe fields intact. They wonderful job just keeping our city looking good.Yeah, absolutely. 100%.Those are the things that we don't want traffic.
• 38:50
  We don't want crime. We don't wantweird shit going on. And BOCUS actually runextremely well. And that's part of the charmof East Boca, right? That's what we all like isit's a nice, clean, safe place.
• 39:02
  When you put inthese high rise developments, I'm notopposed to the Brightline station that was put in,but you combine the Brightline with this highrise monstrosity, it brings in an element ofcrime with an easy exit, right? So that's all part of what's going on here.It's a change of just all of it. It's a shift, right? But again, I still feel likethis was, it was sneaky.
• 39:30
  I feel sneaky. Itfeels like the name they gave it was so misleading.100%. Yeah.So I feel like you, like you said, you thinkyou vote somebody in that you can trust, whichis just ridiculous because they're politicians.And so there's just no way.
• 39:48
  But again, I thinkthis is happening all over the country.Yeah, no doubt.And it's definitely Florida. DefinitelyFlorida. They've been cutting down farmland,orange tree orchards, all of that out on WestFlorida, all that's been cut down for subdivisionsand homes. And we had a listener comment thatdowntown St. Petersburg has completely changed.So I don't know. I guess it can getoverwhelming when you think about it. So you at least focusjust on your one little area, which is whatwe're doing. We're trying to be a part of at leasthaving our voices heard in this situation andmaybe be able to change the course or at leastforce the government to listen to us. Andso whatever they end up with is a compromisebetween the citizens and what the government wants, I guess.Well, I think one thing that's interesting isthe developer. So I think they've gone out tobed, right? They've been kind of doing thisfor the last few years. And the mayor probably isright. He's probably been communicating via emailsand newsletters and old archaic stuff no one paysattention to. Maybe if he had a TikTok account oran Instagram account or was on Facebook or YouTube,right? Something that people are actuallypaying attention to rather than the local flyer downat the community center, people would bemore aware. But what I find very interesting is,you know, so they've gone through bidding processes.
• 41:27
  I think they've down selected.There is one developer now there's, it's a combo.I don't know their names, but one of the developersis the developer who put up the building that collapsed in Miami a few years ago.No, they put up, I think they put up whatthey were building. It's like terrace something.The building they were building next to Surfside,what they were doing there with the constructionwas what had an effect, I think on Surfsidecollapsing. I don't know if Terra built Surfside.I'm not sure. I just know that the buildingthey were building next to Surfside down in Miami,if anyone remembers that story, was horrendous.The whole community collapsed and people died.So this developer was building next to it andwhatever they were doing, whether it was throughstrong vibration, it was weakening what wasgoing on over the building foundation at Surfside.I believe that's what happened. I think they got sued. I'm not sure.Oh, of course they got sued. People died in their sleep.But I don't know if they built Surfside.
• 42:39
  I'm not sure on that.The same developer sued over Surfside collapse.
• 42:44
  So you're right. Maybe they didn't.It was almost like they reviewed as they causedthe collapse of Surfside. This is the developerthat wants to be in charge of this projectin Boca. So I just think that's bad juju.I think that's bad karma. I don't think you bring that in here.Yeah, there it is. So the Terra group, theMiami-based developer now pursuing a high-profileproject in Boca Raton was a key defendant in lawsuits tied to the 2021--Champlain Towers, South Collapse, and Surfside.This is despite not disclosing the lawsuit and theproposal submitted to the city of Boca Raton inJanuary 2025. So they did not disclose that therewas a lawsuit. They hid it. For anyonelistening, we're putting up information on the screen.So if you go to watch on YouTube, you'll see. So that's already sketchy.So you started off this entire project calling it the government redevelopment--what was it? Government redevelopment project orsomething? Whatever it was called, it wasn't clear.I think it's called the don't worry about it. We got this project.And so that was sketchy. And then anynewsletter-- because the mayor does send email newsletters--any newsletters that were coming through, Iread them. So I do read those newsletters,not every single one of them, but I'll lookthrough them. I don't remember ever-- nothingcaught my eye. Nothing caught my attention.I was like, what are they doing down there?I agree. I read them too. Yeah, whatever was being said,it was not clear. It was misleading. I'm not saying it was misleading on purpose,but it was misleading. And now you have adeveloper who didn't disclose that they were part of thelawsuit of the collapse of the Surfside. Thisis just all bad. It's just all like so sketchy.Well, what's interesting to me is we'relate to the party. Just for full disclosure,ours-- we do not have full 1,000% command ofall facts, but doesn't pass the sniff test.But we are late. And think some higher power.Thank God, I'll say it. For the people in Bocawho started the Save Boca, the project--Dan Perlman, I think, is one of the main guys.Nice job, Dan. Thanks for bringing this toeverybody's attention. I'm looking at you.Good job. Yes. There's a whole group of peoplewho started the SaveBoca.org campaign, basically.And not only that, well, it is a campaign,but they're, you know, you've got your shirt.If I wore anything besides a black shirt, Iwould wear that shirt. But they've made the t-shirts,they've got the signs, they've attended thecity council meetings, they did the whole petitioneffort. So kudos to all of you guys. So now Ithink you've woken us up. They did get some goodpress. They made national news. I think theydid. It was on Fox News. I don't know if they'vebeen seeing it or not, but I know Fox. So they'vegot the word out and they've woken up the peopleof our town now, which is a great thing. Sothank you for doing that. Yes.
• 46:10
  For doing that. Theyhave a Facebook page, they have an Instagram page,they have a TikTok. I went and followed all of them.So anyone listening that wants to follow alongon this, because we have, when this airs tomorrow,this is Monday right now, tomorrow night,Tuesday, there is a city council meeting at six o'clock.The address is on say, Boca.org. I thinkit's 60, I looked it up.
• 46:33
  I think it's 6,500Congress Boulevard and what that is. So wherethat is, it's between Yamado and Clint Moore onCongress. And it is where like the, there's likea police academy, not academy, but maybe training.There's, it's kind of a, I don't know, anondescript building, but what's interestingabout it. So it is there tomorrow.
• 46:53
  People areencouraged to go. There's instructions on thesayboca.org homepage. If you go in, you signin, every person does get three minutes to speak.The challenge is they did request, officiallyrequested Monday to have it moved to a largerlocation. They did, and they were denied. Theywere denied, yeah. And there's plenty of places to go.I don't, you know, it's a tough one. I want tobelieve in the, I want to believe in the sentimentthat's coming from the mayor.
• 47:23
  I don't thinkhe's inherently a bad guy. I think he's currentlymisguided on this one. And I think he's wrong,right? I 100% believe he's wrong. I don't thinkhe's a bad guy. It is probably logisticallydifficult to change it last minute in theirdefense. They are saying some of the right thingsthat this is just the beginning.
• 47:43
  They're going totry to work it out, but anything short of afull stop is, is unacceptable in my mind. Justoperationally, logistically kind of makes sensefor them to say, we're going to keep it here thistime. But given the demand and popularity of this,they need to move it elsewhere.
• 48:00
  For the next one.For the next one, 100%. Yeah. Because I think this is...And make it longer. Yeah. I think this is just the beginning in some ways. I thinkthe more people hear about this and are going toget involved, you know, until the mayor and thecity council have a good answer for everyone. Idon't see this dying down anytime soon, you know.This isn't like how, you know, a private developerwanting to build townhomes around the corner fromus in a ridiculous, ridiculous location. That'sanother stupid one. I think the city approved that though.Yeah. Okay. So the city might have approved that, but that seems more private land,privately owned land that was sold, right?
• 48:38
  Well, and if I'm totally against it.Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But to your point, there could have been a zoning...I don't know if they made it a zoning accommodationor not. It wouldn't surprise me. This city counciland this mayor is 100% pro over development. So Ido believe right now it was a small title companyand some other, you know, office space that they want to turn into a three...They're still there, the title company. Yeah.Yeah. I think they want to turn that into a three-storymultifamily housing. Yeah.
• 49:10
  It's going to be likefour condos or something. I don't know. And thenthere's a whole other thing down up the street byour local school that they want to put in a gatedapartment or condo community.
• 49:21
  And the trafficon the road that both of these proposed projectsare on is already insane.
• 49:28
  But my point was,is I think both of those areas are privately,commercially owned by someone.
• 49:34
  Whereas this ispublic land. This is city land. And that's...So yeah, you can go out and you can get upsetabout townhomes being built in an area that'sso ridiculous and apartments being built in an area that makes no sense,but it's privately, commercially owned land,I think. This is 100% public land. This is amemorial park for World War II vets, which Ithink is just... You can't overstate that enough.You just can't. And 31 acres of open publicland. You can't just swoop in and give that over todevelopers without the citizens having to say.But we do. All right. So here's another one. Iforgot about this one. Out on Glades, just westof the Turnpike, was the golf course, the 27 wholecity-owned and operated golf course that gotbulldozed probably what, five years ago maybe?And now it's all condos. That's where they tookthe kids to learn how to golf.
• 50:35
  Full of alligators,the golf course out there was just sold toprivate developers and turned into condos. Now,I lost my train of thought. No, what'sinteresting to me, and I think focused on a historicallytremendous job at this, but we've lost our way.And what that is, that golf course was city-owned.I could buy a golf cart or as a city resident,you buy a card, you get a discount, you can booktea times. They were excellent golf courses.We've got city-owned and operated pickleballcourts, city-owned and operated tennis courts.I'm not the biggest advocate for the city-owningand operating all this stuff, but it's what madeBoca different is that they've always done a nicejob. They've paid great wages for the peopleto run these things. They've done a great jobrunning them. It's always been open to thecommunity. They've always been fairly pricedand they're giving all that stuff up forthis over-development. The golf course out onYamado and that Hidden Valley Road, I think is byClintmore. By Costco, you come over the overpass.That's a golf course out there. I think thecity's trying to turn that into a golf course,but now they're combining it with pickleballcourts or maybe scratching the golf course.It's crazy.Yeah. I think if anything, people will start topay more attention. I know I will to what's goingon. A hundred percent. But the thing that'sspecial about this, again, is it is in the heart of our"downtown area," but it helped keep ourdowntown area feel neighborly and it helped maintaincommunity within our downtown area. Ithelped our downtown area feel like a small town.When you would drive by and see kids playsoftball there, I'm telling you to listeners,it's the same feeling as when I lived up inNew Jersey in a small town and I drove by and sawkids play softball. We live in a large city, but this area...Or West Virginia.Yeah, exactly. This area is nostalgic. Thisarea that they want to develop is nostalgiafor Boca Raton. It's almost like one of the lastpieces that we have of the small town that BocaRaton was. When you drive past this area,you remember coaching your children there. Youremember watching your children play there.And then you also currently see other people'schildren playing there. You see people playingtennis. You see people on the basketball courts.What you see is the community of Boca Raton. Andif they develop that, it's gone because all you'regoing to see then are concrete buildings and oursense of community and one of our last pieces ofnostalgia in our little downtown area will bewiped out. Well, I think also just to add to that,it's everything you just said, but it's unstructured.
• 53:48
  Meaning if you go out to thefields at Spanish River, they're beautiful.
• 53:55
  We've got beautiful facilities here.The fields out there are beautiful soccer fields, baseball fields, a nice wonderfulplayground, but it's all got a spot. It's all niceand tidy because it's all new and it's all planned.You go out to Patroif, it's beautiful. It'sphenomenal. This area is very unstructured.I think they last developed in 1964. So to yourpoint, that's probably nostalgic at this point.But it's free flowing. It evolved. The banyantrees were put in probably as small trees. Nowthey're these big, beautiful 15 foot across basetrees with vines hanging down.
• 54:37
  You walk over tothe fields. It's just unstructured.
• 54:40
  It's oldschool. It's old school. It's old school. Andwe need old school. You need old school. Everything can't be new. Everything can'tbe developed. Everything can't be planned.Everything shouldn't be shiny.
• 54:56
  You need to stillhave some history without it being always totallyhistoric too. You just need that sense of nostalgia,that sense of old school.
• 55:06
  And I know we'reGen Xers. And so, yes, we do feel nostalgicwhen we see certain things.
• 55:13
  But for youngergenerations too, I think there's Gen Zers thatremember playing baseball and softball onthose fields. And just five, 10 years ago, there'spuddles. It's just like you said, it'sunstructured and it's a sense of childhood. It's a sense ofcommunity, our community center.
• 55:32
  There's just somuch there to save for Boca Raton. So if anyoneis interested, saveboca.org has all theinformation. It has all the current information. There is alsoa Facebook page. There's an Instagram page. I didjoin the TikTok. I don't know how much they poston there, but that's where all the informationwill be. And we just felt compelled to do an episode,to at least put our voices to this and be apart of trying to hold on to just that sense ofnostalgia and community in our town. And that'swhy we're doing this episode, honestly. BecauseI do think there are people all over thiscountry that have had to watch their nostalgia getbulldozed over and their nostalgia get developedby people who don't live in their town, by peoplewho don't care about their town and by peoplewho don't understand their town.
• 56:32
  So I don't thinkthis is a Boca Raton problem.
• 56:34
  I think it's aproblem probably in many, many towns and citiesin our country. And I think that it's important tohold on to that. If you can, just hold on to a pieceof what was. I mean, look at that. That's justsuch a mess. There is no value in what we're lookingto develop here in our town.
• 56:58
  It looks likeanything else. Yeah. You know what's fascinatingto me? It does not look like Boca Raton.What's fascinating to me is when you look at that,if you look at it in the eyes of the developer,it's money. And when you look at it in the eyesof the politician, it's just pure ego and greed,right? They want to say, "I helped develop thatand put their name on it." Which is crazy to me.I would want nothing to do with that. But when youlook at it, all of the people I just mentioned,they'd look at it on a grid and they see, "Okay,this is a thousand feet by a thousand feet andthere's a 45 degree angle here from the naturalterrain, right? What can we put in there?" Andit's just moving boxes around just to see whatcan you put there and what's going tomaximize the square footage profitability of thatmulti-block chunk of the city.
• 57:56
  They don't give ashit about the impact to the traffic flows. Andnow they'll come up with some BSO, "We did atraffic flow and it's not going to impact traffic."Bullshit. And they're going to come up with these financial models that says,"We estimate that the commercial tax baserevenue is going to be X and it's going to help offsetthe local property taxes." Bullshit. It's all just nonsense. It's just pure greed.And it's unnecessary. If you guys want, goelsewhere. Go somewhere else and do this,right? There's plenty of other cities thatmight be interested in something like this,but I don't think there's an interest here.No, there isn't. I mean, you literally arecreating something that does not fit in any way with the vibe of this area.Well, it does, but it's called Fort Lauderdale.It's called Miami. It's called West Palm Beach.It's called anywhere but Boca and quite frankly Delray. Delray's got a lot of nicecharms on there and Deerfield too, butDeerfield's a little overbuilt, but at the same time,it's not bad. No, that Deerfield BocaDelray area. Hillsborough Beach is nice. Yeah.So yeah, our stretch from the last condos,probably once you hit the Hillsborough InletBridge, just south of that, that whole stretch allthe way up into even past Lake Worth up where youstart to get where like Oprah's got a placeand write that extreme wealth of that town, butkind of by the breakers. Yeah.
• 59:42
  Like Palm Beach.Yeah. Well, Lake Worth-ish area that I forget thetown, but there's a lot of wealthy big homesup there. And I mean, and that's fine. We don't,there's wealth here. So it's not, we're notagainst wealth and we're not against growth.We wouldn't live here if we were. Yeah, we'renot. Yeah. We, to be clear, we're not saying we'rewealthy. That just sounded like that. The nicething about living amongst wealth is that youget the benefit of living amongst wealth. Wehave several billionaires living in both. Yes. Very,we have a very, just a very wealthypopulace. We do. And so for regular people like us,we, you know, our children get to enjoy thecommunity because the community is kept to acertain state because of the wealth that'shere. So it all kind of balances out and works out.But again, that's, that's what's so uniqueabout Boca is that at least East Boca, I can say,is that if you ever came into East Boca, it wouldjust feel like any other town.
• 1:00:42
  You wouldn't feel,unless you drive along certain roads and you seelike mansions and stuff. But if you were just togo to like, we've been here close to 20 yearsand I agree with you 15 years ago, 10 years ago,but we are screwing the pooch here. Yeah. We'rewatching it. We're watching the next real estateand housing bubble commercial real estate.Yeah. Yes. We're watching the next commercialand apartment real estate bubble unfold in realtime. Fast forward five years or some point onthe horizon and we're going to see animplosion. Yeah. And it's not, I'm not fearing doom. It'sjust reality. This shit goes in cycles. And Iwouldn't even say we're in a big boom right now.I did look up vacancy rates today in Bocaand we do have about a 7% vacancy rate here.How that compares? Not sure. For commercial or for? Just the, like an apartment.More on the apartment side. Yeah. Yeah. I think our commercials even, I don't know,it's probably not worse, but there's plentyof like, with like we saw yesterday or a coupledays ago, a lot of commercial real estate and alot of longer term ones, right?
• 1:02:00
  That CVS has beenvacant for like how long?
• 1:02:03
  A year? Two yearsnow. Yeah, probably. No, a few years I think. Whichbecomes blight, which becomes crime. Yeah. Right.All those things. I don't know.
• 1:02:11
  It's, it's a toughone because you want to, you do want tosupport growth and progress in your town, but I thinkthere's a way to do it where you can still holdon to your town's character, your town's charm,your town's nostalgia, and not completely comein and wipe everything out and change everythingso that you don't recognize your town anymore.And I know that has happened to so many townsand it's, it's makes me sad that now it's cometo our town to this degree, to take 31 acres ofa beloved part of Boca and just plop downcrap. We haven't even touched on the fact thatthe hotel will be adjacent to the local schoolthere, right? The Boca Christian high school.No, it's K through 12. K through 12? Yeah. Andthen there's that other little learning center.I don't know what that is.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah. The hotelwill be right next to two schools. Yeah. No,there's just so much about this. So again, wejust felt we needed to do this. We needed toput our voices to it. It may not be veryinteresting to anyone if you're not from Bocaor maybe you can relate or maybe you saw thishappen to your town and you can understand wherewe're coming from, but you kind of feel a littlebit helpless in this situation.
• 1:03:28
  So we thought wewould at least do an episode on it and we aregoing to stay on top of everything and attend themeetings and do anything we can, but the leastwe can do is at least talk about it and get it outthere. So for anyone that's interested and wantsto get more information about it, we just touchedon the tip of the facts. This goes deeper anddeeper and deeper. You can easily go down a rabbithole. If you Google and research any of thisstuff, even if you go to sayboca.org, they haveso much more information. We really justtouched on things. So again, thanks for listening andplease support if you're local, pleasesign petition. Please show up at the meetings.Please stay on top of things.
• 1:04:16
  I think we're allgoing to read the mayor's newsletters going forward.Read your local mayor's newsletter.Read everything. Yeah, that's one piece ofadvice. If your mayor is sending you guys something inyour town, read it. But for those of you who are still with us that aren't local,thank you for listening and we will get back toour normally scheduled program.
• 1:04:38
  We do have a tonof guests, a ton, you guys, coming up for thefall. We are double, triple, quadruple booked upwith so many cool and interesting people. We'reso excited to start. We took a little bit of awhat, a two week break or a week of break.
• 1:04:56
  How long did we not record a week?I don't know. We had a out of town wedding wewent to. Then we did have a couple of folks,or at least one person cancel it. We're goingto reschedule. She's from Australia.
• 1:05:11
  I was veryexcited. So I think she's rescheduling forNovember. So she actually came down with the flu.So we have had, I think a week and a half or maybe two weeks where we haven't hada record recorded an episode, maybe a week anda half, which has been a trip for us because werecord every week nonstop.
• 1:05:30
  So that's been a bitof a break. But now we're, and then we got involvedwith the save focus. So well, yeah, I was justgoing to say we had other topics, but I thinkthis is important. I can see us doing, we'llprobably throw some more episodes out on thistopic. I think we'll see how things evolve.Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see what happens.And this may be something that we touch onagain, a little mini episode, just to updateanyone who's interested. If there's somelocal folks that are part of the save Boca that,you know, maybe when they come on and theytalk and provide more factual information and,you know, that kind of speak to it better. Yeah.Anyone local out there, if you do would like tocome on, please reach out to us. Go to ourwebsite, genexadulting.com.
• 1:06:17
  There is a form onthere to contact us and we do receive those and,and almost daily we receive those. So reach outto us if you are interested and you can speak onthis topic much better than we can. Cause this wasobviously all of our opinion.
• 1:06:33
  Pretty much. Pleasereach out to us and we would like to have you on.I think it's opinion and wisdom in this showbefore. That's true. That's it. We're old enoughnow. We can speak to that.
• 1:06:43
  So exactly. Yeah.Yeah. So, um, again, we'll, uh, we'll keep everyone upto date. Uh, we're back to recording with gueststhis week and, um, we will see you next time. Bye.