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This is Unleashed the Political News Hour on the America Outloud Talk Radio Network.
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I'm Chris Gordani, your host for this edition of the show.
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I have later on in the program Jan Yakellick of the Epic Times and author of this uh absolutely eye-opening and fascinating book called Killed to Order.
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The full title of it is Killed to Order, China's Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary.
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This goes through 20 plus years of Mr.
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Yakillick's research and investigative reporting into what has been going on in China.
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Yes, they've been they've been taking these people called black classes, uh, members of Falun Gong, the Uyghur Muslims, or whoever else they deem undesirable.
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That's usually political prisoners or members of religious orders, people that communists generally try to demonize and turn the public against.
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It goes farther than that.
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This is about a whole network.
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This is this is a worldwide network coming from the Chinese organ harvesting industry.
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There are people from around the world that actually go to China and take these organs via transplant through the Chinese Communist Party's demonic system.
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We'll talk all about that in just a few moments.
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Let's take some time to look at what's happening around the world.
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The Iran U.S.
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tensions are heating up.
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Yes, your liberal friends are whatever, whichever way the tide turns, they're going to say they're going to criticize Donald Trump no matter what.
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So just take them off of your radar right now.
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Look at the big picture.
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We talked about how the idea is to throttle China.
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And we discussed the idea that we all don't love the idea of war.
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I'm not a pro-war guy.
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I'm not for the war 100%, but I am not naive as to note that Iran is a threat all around.
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China is a threat to the U.S.'s existence.
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And the U.S.
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is a threat to the new world order.
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And it has to remain so, at least the latter should.
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Having said that, if you look at what's going on, you're going to hear people say, But the Street of Hormuz is open before we started the war, before before Trump started bombing.
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Oh, there's a street of Hormo.
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Well, here is the funny thing about that.
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If Iran blockades the Strait of Hormuz, let me ask you who this hurts more.
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Does it hurt the U.S.?
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Actually, I don't think so.
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The U.S.
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already figured things out beforehand.
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They now have better control of the Panama Canal.
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They we now have better control of the Northern Passage.
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So maritime trade is a lot easier.
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We have better tra we have better control of maritime trade in the Southern Hemisphere, at least our side of it.
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China does not have the power it once had during the Biden and Obama administrations.
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Trump is once again working on making America an exporter rather than an importer of oil.
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So blocking the Strait of Hormos block hitting that actually hurts Iran and other members of the OPEC oil cartel.
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So think about that.
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Remember, these first order thinkers are going, ooh, I don't like it.
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We're being mean to Iranians.
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We're colonizers.
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That's just first order garbage.
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This is just these are people who use adult coloring books because they can't stand to wait for an order.
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For uh when they go to some kind of apple peeps chain or whatever you want to call it.
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They have no attention span.
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But if you really delve down into the nitty-gritty, you delve down into the strategic portion, and I'm talking on a grand scale.
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You might think Trump's plan, and even not necessarily winning the war and having these negotiations kind of drag on a little bit, at least making the Iranians have the negotiations drag on a little bit, is ingenious.
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In the coming weeks, it's only going to show how choked Iran and China are going to be in the future, the near future.
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And then it would force Iran to the table.
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Again, we're not going to be as naive as to think, well, they're not going to continue to build their uh uranium enrichment program, and they're not gonna we're not gonna think they're not gonna try to build a nuclear weapons program, and we sure as hell are gonna hear a peep out of them next time a Democrat president takes office because they're perceived as weaker, and let's just let's just put that out there.
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I don't care what anybody says, world uh leaders perceive the U.S.
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Democrat Party as weaker and easier to uh walk all over.
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Sort of the Henry Blake's, if you will, of world leadership.
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My prediction, the U.S.
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will come out on top of this whole thing economically, will become a major exporter again of oil.
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Let me tell you something else.
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Europe is also kind of locked here.
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They're they're not about to do business with Russia because they're united front wise on that, unless they put their noses in the ground and do so after funding Ukraine all this time.
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And you know that Putin's gonna charge them an uh an arm on a nose.
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The U.S., Alberta, uh, any ally, any oil-producing ally of the U.S., they're the ones that are going to do well economically thanks to this.
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Iran is going to have to find a way.
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And yes, I know they're going to lie their way through the negotiations, but going to find a way to reopen the Strait of Hormoes, which only makes that easier for us anyway.
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And what happens is while the New World Order types, the World Economic Forum types were trying to get America or kneecap America to cede world power to the Chinese.
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And of course, they get a big cut of this whole thing.
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They're going to suffer.
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They're going to be the ones that lose out and fail.
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Then it's up to us voters to keep Democrats out of office, uh, especially out of the presidency in the future to make sure these people don't gain power back and we don't cede power to the Chinese Communist Party.
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You're going to find out a lot more about what this party does and what they probably would do to a lot of us if they manage to gain more control of the world.
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The Chinese communist party is known for its atrocities against those they perceive and propagandize as enemies of the state.
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You know, people who speak up and defy the communist dictatorship.
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The most persecuted groups and individuals are targeted for political persecution, imprisonment, and organ harvesting.
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Yes.
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You heard me right.
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The government forces the removal of their organs.
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As promised earlier in the program, I have Janya Kellech.
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He's the host of he's a host at Epic Times.
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He's the host of the influential American Thought Leader Show and author of the new book, Killed to Order, China's organ harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary.
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In this book, he delivers or delves very deeply into China's practice of forced organ harvesting, which stretches much farther than you think.
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Jan, welcome to Unleashed.
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So good to be here.
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It's great to have you here.
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It's an honor to have you here.
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It's common practice for communist movements, by the way, to demonize its opposition.
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China, however, has gone as far as practicing some of the very atrocities committed upon their own people only years before the revolution.
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You remember the Imperial Japanese headed by Dr.
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Ishi.
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In your book, Yan, you described the origins of your investigation that went to the forced organ harvesting.
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This is from hearing uh, I guess about a uh a camp in 2006.
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Talk about that.
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Let's let's start there.
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Absolutely.
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So, you know, there were actually rumors of kind of at scale organ harvesting prior to 2006 when Annie, you're referring to Annie the whistleblower.
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That's a pseudonym.
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Uh, she had a husband who was working at a hospital uh near Su Jetun in China, where basically her husband had been doing transplant surges, and he confessed to her after she threatened to leave him after he was having nightmares and you know, just becoming a completely insufferable, that he had removed thousands of corneas from living people there, and that there was a kind of a camp if sorts where uh people were like a concentration camp where people were being held, Falun Gong practitioners and used for as kind of unwilling organ donors.
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And so this was you know, a kind of an astonishing allegation, but with a lot of detail uh that that made it credible.
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This is the researchers that kind of looked at this that okay, this this looks um this this is looking credible.
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And at simultaneously, this is what was really interesting.
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Uh, completely independently, actually, in Israel, there was a uh heart transplant surgeon named Yaqub Levy, and Yaakob Levy um had a patient who basically told him one day he had a very serious heart condition, was maybe would die soon.
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And the guy basically said, Look, I've got it set up in communist China in two weeks.
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And then the guy went and had it done in two weeks.
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Okay.
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So this set off all sorts of red flags for Yaakov Levy, who was actually a child of Holocaust survivors and took this very seriously.
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See, to go a little back, right?
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In order to have an ethical transplantation system, um, you you basically need to have a catastrophic accident for someone to become a donor of a heart.
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Okay.
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And that person, there's a few other a whole bunch of variables that have to come into place.
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First of all, the body, there has to be circulation in the body itself, because the moment circulation stops, organs degrade very quickly.
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That's one.
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Okay.
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Number two, you have to have a situation where um the the there's some kind of matching that happens between the donor uh organ, and because our bodies reject foreign objects, including organs.
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So the way we deal with that is we match based on blood type and based on histology, that's the tissue type, and also size has to be kind of compatible.
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My point here is that it's very rare to get this whole thing between you get uh a car accident, uh uh you get uh motorcycle accident, something like this.
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Um it's rare to get all these variables to match you, and that's why people wait months or years.
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That's why this patient was desperate.
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But in communist China, he can do it in two weeks.
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How is that possible?
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One is, you know, that of course that catastrophic accident is being manufactured, it's being scheduled, so someone's being killed for an organ here.
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And number two, the two weeks, that's very difficult to imagine how that would work.
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And you said something actually very important uh right at the beginning in your in your kind of intro to this whole thing, where the Chinese communist party has a habit of demonizing its uh its enemies, or people it perceives as its enemies.
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And in fact, it has a whole industry of this of creation of black classes over decades.
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It's called this the group that's targeted, is called a black class.
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And what they do is they push massive propaganda into the population uh because they control the entire information ecosystem, and they basically uh say terrible things kind of straight out of 1930s Germany, actually.
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Like, for example, that these people are lesser than us, that they're dangerous, they're enemies of the state, they're doing bad things to you, uh uh, you know, society to society and so forth.
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So in 1999, this is now what sets up this whole killed to order enterprise.
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And by the way, that's the name of my book, Killed to Order.
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Uh, this whole unique extreme form of organ trafficking.
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So, number one, in throughout the 90s, there had been a very, very popular grassroots spiritual movement uh called Falun Gong.
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And the millions of Falun Gong practitioners started practicing this discipline based on truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.
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And uh it was actually an very unusual structure, especially for communist regime, which is I like to say obscenely top-down, obscenely hierarchical.
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Here, there's actually no hierarchy in Falun Gong.
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There's no worship, even though there's a deep spirituality.
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Um, there's a lot of self-direction in terms of how to live uh uh the teachings associated with truthfulness, compassion, forbearance.
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And this just kind of spread from one person to another.
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It was also had a lot of health benefits, and by the end of the 90s, 70 to 100 million people were doing it.
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So this is actually this is what set up this the circumstances that they could build this whole industry that I was just as this kill to order industry because the dictator at the time in 1999 decided to eradicate this group to use his word for it.
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Okay.
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Um, and by the way, eradicate didn't mean kill everybody, it meant turn them into a black class and then struggle against them, force them, transform them, re-educate them so that they would be basically genuflect in front of the altar of communism and say, yes, no, everything I did was bad.
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You know, they did this by the way with the landowners.
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There's always black class in communist societies in the early days.
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Landowners, right?
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They wanted to get take to take their to their land.
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So they had to you know explain why it was okay to do that, right, to the population and then and possibly harm these people if they resisted.
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Falangong became the new black class, and they actually, because of this sort of unique uh nature of Falan Gong, they were very resistant to being re-educated.
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Okay.
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So they didn't break easily, they didn't get, they didn't basically, you know, give up uh their truthfulness compassion forbearance quickly.
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And so they started torturing them in the system.
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They even had this rule in this as they started incarcerating them that all Falun Gong deaths would be considered suicides.
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This was in the unwritten rule in there.
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Work on these people to whatever extent you need to to break them.
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And this is what created the second element to get killed to order because they incarcerated so many of these people, maybe a million, maybe two.
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We don't know the exact numbers, but but that's what it was, and that's how you actually get the two weeks because they started blood typing and tissue typing and organ scanning them.
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You see, and then basically the moment that that person, let's say let's say it's a transplant tourist, then there were men, there are many of those over the years, okay.
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The moment they pay their hundred or two hundred thousand dollars for a heart, okay.
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The moment that transaction is made, there's already someone in the system because there's a million people in a database with all their vitals, and then that person can be just found wherever they are and shipped and killed to order uh for their organ.
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And that's what we're talking about.
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So it's a very extreme form of organ trafficking.
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It originated around 2000, it grew geometrically through 2005, and then um to the scale of about 60 to 100,000 transplants per year by 2016.
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Ethan Guttman defended those numbers in front of Congress uh under oath at in 2016.
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This is terrible.
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Yan Yan Ya Kelik is with me.
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He's the author of uh Killed to Order.
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It's uh China's organ harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary.
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This is this is sickening in a lot of ways, even uh at least on the surface, even it goes much much deeper.
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But we're looking at the worst elements of Stalinist pogroms combined with some of the more horrible elements of Dr.
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Ishii's uh Unit 731, all practiced by uh by the Chinese Communist Party, which built a farm system of political adversaries, they're used.
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But they could just you're saying they could just pick these people off the streets because they know where they are.
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There must be some kind of uh digital database of them, right?
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Well, so something this is.
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It's interesting that you say that because see, of course, this took time to develop this whole system, right?
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And so in the in the early years, you needed to have people incarcerated, right?
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Because you had to, how are you going to get their vitals otherwise, right?
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And this is so this is, and by the way, in in 2005, the State Department noted that half the people in China's massive incarceration system were Falun Gong practitioners, right?
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So there was like this added incentive to have lots of Falun Gong practitioners available, because that means that your likelihood of getting a match for these transplant tourists would be a lot a lot higher, right?
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And so here's the tragedy, right?
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By 2014 and 2015, nobody really did anything about this, not meaningfully.
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There were some attempts, um, some kind of, you know, I would say kind of gullible attempts at having how encouraging them to reform.
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Well, they kind of fooled us, actually, have a whole chapter in killed to order in the book about how the Chinese Communist Party is expert in making us complicit uh with its own crimes, not just us, but also its own population.
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Um I think a lot of that happened.
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Yeah, no, uh a hundred a hundred percent.
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And so when nobody really did anything, right?
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Basically, they added the Uyghur people.
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These were uh Turkic Muslims from the northwest of China, um, um very unique uh uh pardon me, not Turkic, but uh basically a different religion, unique uh ethnic minority, and and also dehumanized already because they look different than the Han Chinese, and the Chinese Communist Party has been actually fanning the flames of that kind of sort of fostering racism as part of its way of controlling the population.
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So then they you know dehumanize them further, incarcerated a perhaps a million, perhaps more of them.
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And the the crazy part there was that actually the whole region in Xinjiang runs as a police province.
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It's a strategically important area for the Chinese Communist Party, and they're actively, I mean, per US government, you know, kind of determination, they're actively pursuing genocidal policies there where they're trying to eradicate the entire group of people uh through a whole bunch of different means.
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So in that province, they actually have taken the vitals of most of the people there, not just incarcerated ones, but just in their homes, even to the best of our knowledge.
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They must have a digital database, which that's that worries me when nations like our own tries to put something together like that too, a digital database of uh of our uh our vitals as well.
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That's that's that's not a good thing.
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You don't want that in the wrong hands, and we're seeing that right now.
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Interesting, you mentioned the Uyghurs though, Yan, the Uyghur Muslims have been covered by world media here and in the in Western Europe, first world, if you will.
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The CCP also, again, as you mentioned for a long time, persecuted the members of Falun Gong, targeting them as well, and the Tibetans, by the way, and neither one of them were getting much press at all, even now.
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We don't hear much about this from the mainstream media.
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Is that kind of uh a willful omission that's kind of CCP steered things?
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I do remember one of your colleagues was talking, uh Tiffany Meyer did a did a uh documentary about uh how Hollywood, a lot of the uh entertainment industry is run by the Chinese Communist Party.
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Right.
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Well, so something happened, you know.
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You you're probably familiar how uh it's a lot less today, but going back 25 years for sure, um, the New York Times basically set the agenda for reporting, not just in America, but frankly, in many respects globally uh on on issues.
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It was it was be it was kind of the they called themselves the paper of record, and they literally what they put on their front page was the thing that many others covered.
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I don't know how that actually exactly how that happened or why it happened that way, but they had this incredible influence.
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And back in 2001, so this is just two years after Jiang Zemin began the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners.
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That was the dictator at the time who uh who initiated this, frankly, against the advice of a lot of his own top people, by the way.
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Um he he uh blocked the New York Times in China, and so and actually the New York Times did some decent, let's call it reporting up until 2001 on the persecution of Falong.
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You know, there was actually there was the Wall Street Journal won a pulitzer for its series of articles about Falun Gong.
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So it what there wasn't a lot of good reporting, but there was some, and some of these big media actually did that.
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Many others, unfortunately, were just parroting the regime talking points as if they were, you know, kind of reasonable, uh reasonable uh uh assertions of reality or something like that, which of course they never were.
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But what happened in 2001 is Salzburger goes in tow with a whole bunch of editors, top editors to China, and he interviews Jeng Zemin, uh, who and you can look up this interview online, I believe it's still there.
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And and you know, Zhang basically skews all sorts of horrible things about Falun Gong.
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And uh we don't know exactly what happened, what else happened there, right?
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But we do know that afterwards the New York Times got unblocked, and we do know uh just from you know, a number of researchers kind of looking at how the New York Times has covered Falun Gong, is that around that time there was really never any positive coverage again.
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Interesting.
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And so this is I you know, I i i it's kind of a huge problem.
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And even now, as we speak, you know, the New York Times has been uh actually having putting uh attack pieces against Shenyun, which is this uh American dance performance uh that basically um is kind of kind of a revitalization of traditional Chinese dance and culture, which the Chinese communist communist party tried to destroy.
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The tagline is China before communism has been very successful around the world.
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They have eight companies, they built it from scratch.
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It's actually like this quintessential American dream success story, in fact, uh, you know, near Middletown, New York is where they have their campus where they train the dancers, um, and there's you know kind of a number of schools and a college and so forth.
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And you know, the New York Times has been basically uh what it looks like, uh, you know, doing reporting around uh, you know, let's just say very, very uh uh narratives that are very, very amenable to the Chinese Communist Party.
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That happened with the local it's not entirely clear why.
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Um I want to I want to jump in on this because that happened with a local paper around here, the Times Herald Record.
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They used to call it the Times Herald Fish Wrapper, but that wasn't generally original, I guess.
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The point is they would uh when when members of Falloon Gong were can't were setting up uh a complex nearby, they tried to make it, they tried to set they set an alarmist tone, if you will.
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They tried to oh a religious, a religious cult is moving in, kind of equating that with the curious Joel what we have down in um in in the Monroe area in Orange County, New York, and trying to say these people uh fled the flood in China, they're here, and we gotta it it was almost a tone we gotta watch out for them.
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If and I I knew the people who ran that place, and I knew the I knew the editor who actually announced in front of the a leadership orange uh graduation that the papers newspapers should uh mold how people think rather than report the news.
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So this is what's been going on, and uh winds up if you really observe what's going on on the ground floor, Falloon Gong members have beautified have helped beautify the city of Middletown and have built a very nice complex.
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They invite people in to go see uh nearby in Deer Park, and they've they've done they've been nothing but positive.
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And um and that's that's something that is that that these outlets tried to overshadow.
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You know, here's the thing, okay?
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The Chinese Communist Party is kind of obsessed with has been obsessed with destroying Shenyun for years.
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Yeah, and you know, I I think the simplest way to explain why is because it showcases the reality to millions of people every year that the best of China is not from the communist party, which is the the sort of the key communist party narrative, it's actually from the tradition, which the Chinese communist party tried to destroy.
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I mean, they've gone to great lengths.
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Imagine this, okay.
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There's actually two Chinese agents that are in jail as we speak, okay, because they tried to, they they actually stumbled into this FBI st operation.
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They thought they were bribing an IRS agent to revoke Shenyun's nonprofit status, okay?
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But the reality was this was an FBI sting, and like just imagine, right?
28:54
Like this is the kind of stuff they do.
28:56
There's the people would move into the region, and you know, this uh Dragon Springs, which is where uh the school, the the the Shenyun uh sourcing school called Fei Chin Academy of the Arts is they would basic basically keep uh putting forth these harassing environmental lawsuits again and again, costing like incredible amounts of money and time and distraction.
29:17
Like again and again, the most recent ones, and this was like I don't know how many, maybe 10 lawsuits, right?
29:22
Was it was dismissed with prejudice, basically finally, like, no, you can't file this again.
29:27
This is ridiculous, right?
29:28
But this is the kind of stuff that that's that's basically been done over there, and so and of course they they tend to, I I think like there's uh uh of course the communist party loves to shape mold how people think.
29:43
So there's this weird kind of um uh I don't know, like sympathy for that, or like I I I have no idea why the local paper in Middletown would be taking such a position.
29:53
It's kind of weird.
29:54
They were pretty leftist.
29:55
I remember I was doing talk radio with the case.
29:58
Like you actually took a moment to.
30:00
To learn about Fel and Gong, right?
30:01
And how it actually works.
30:03
Like I mentioned a little bit, right?
30:05
About about how it actually structured.
30:07
It's it's like it would be it would be insane to consider it, you know, to use the kind of, I don't even like to repeat this sort of slanderous language that you described to me earlier because I feel it kind of sticky, right?
30:18
Like Sander is sticky, and it sticks in our heads.
30:22
But but basically, like, you know, Felangong, it's actually to be also to be fair, it's unusual for a structure uh in American society because it doesn't really have any organization, like you don't join anything.
30:33
It's not there's no roster or membership.
30:35
Like what makes you a Felongong practitioner is living these teachings.
30:39
By the way, another translation of them is to be true, good and endure.
30:43
I I recently remembered I learned this like years ago, and I kind of forgot about it, but it's actually it kind of speaks the it's almost easier to understand that way.
30:51
Like this is what people are actually living.
30:54
And and another, you know, I I mentioned that there's no worship, there's no collection of funds of any certain fact.
30:59
It's like these are things that are just kind of if there's a if there are any rules, it's that.
31:03
Uh, another rule, and I thought this is really fascinating, uh, that I something I would call a rule is that if you're if I love I'm so impressed with someone that's a Falun Gong practitioner that's you know being true, good and enduring really well, right?
31:19
I can't really emulate that person if I'm a practitioner.
31:22
I have to kind of understand the teachings and find my own path through them.
31:26
It's not there's no copying isn't allowed, being performative isn't allowed.
31:29
You really have to want to do it.
31:31
And that's really, and so it when I when I look at it, it's almost like the system was designed.
31:36
I can't speak to how I was almost like it was designed to minimize the different forms of social uh pressure that of course exists naturally in human societies as part of human nature and so forth.
31:49
But so how would you design a system that would minimize all of that?
31:52
Of course, you can't remove it entirely, but it would it's Falun Gong to me seems like that.
31:57
So it's almost, if anything, it's sort of like an anti-cult or something, or if you were just to you, you know, something like that.
32:03
And it's actually not hard to figure out if you take a moment to actually look at how it works and how people function.
32:09
So it's just that that those kind of monikers, right?
32:13
And and casting that suspicion.
32:14
That's straight out of the communist party playbook.
32:17
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35:49
Uh this uh the organ harvesting, I will say industry.
35:55
We've talked about this as a black market in some other countries around the world.
35:59
This is government sponsored.
36:00
That stretches very, very far.
36:04
Um let's see where we're going here.
36:07
But Chinese organ harvesting industry is considered unethical in the US and other nations, criminal, if you will.
36:12
Yet you're of cases in the book where people within these ethical nations putting ethical in quotes because of what we're talking about here, have received organs from Chinese doctors stolen from political prisoners.
36:25
So, how does this business end work?
36:27
Underground advertising, word of mouth, elite circles or think nothing of how these organs were harvested.
36:32
What's how does this business end work here?
36:36
Well, there's there's there's a few different scenarios.
36:40
Okay.
36:40
I actually opened the book.
36:42
And by the way, thank you for saying your kind things about the book.
36:45
It is 20 years of work on and off that went into it.
36:48
It's available at killtoorder.com for for those of you that might be interested.
36:52
That's the quick Amazon link.
36:54
But going back, right?
36:55
I open the book with a composite character from her perspective.
36:59
Her name is May, and she actually is someone who is having severe kidney trouble and she needs to go on dialysis.
37:08
And she knows very well that you know, half the people with after five years of dialysis are no longer with us.
37:14
So, you know, this is a serious, very serious thing.
37:18
And then she, you know, the kid, she has a condition, the kidneys aren't readily available, and she uh and she hears about the China option from some people talking to each other in a medical ward.
37:30
And so, you know, ultimately decides to go for it.
37:33
Doesn't think through too much exactly where it might be coming from, because what she's thinking about is her family.
37:39
She's thinking about wanting to live longer for her children, um, you know, and so forth.
37:44
Um, in these kinds of situations, and then later she realizes hey, wait a second, these reports are coming out.
37:50
Where what did I do?
37:51
Right.
37:52
And I think that that's actually one very real scenario.
37:55
I think that, you know, I a key theme in kill to order is how the the Chinese communist party actually instrumentalizes absolutely everything.
38:06
What I mean by that, it uses everything that's possible to be used as a tool as a weapon of sorts that way, and that could be body human bodies, right?
38:16
It used the basically uses that as a tool for profit and this and as they're you know removed from people, the destruction of a group they don't like.
38:24
So it's uh they're you using this uh system of guilt to order to do that.
38:29
Um, they also take advantage of our desperation, they use our desperation as a tool and our gullibility and our greed, right?
38:36
Uh this is part of how we built in the West that biggest adversary of America by you know leveraging uh kind of bamboozling us into believing that we would uh well probably no being true truthfully telling us that we could make massive profits if we helped them, but uh kind of bamboozling us into believing this was a kind of a long-term strategy for changing them because they they never intended to liberalize in any way, and we had lots of evidence for that, even 25 years ago when it was a 95-5 issue.
39:06
Everyone believed we would.
39:08
So it's it's it's this desperation that's that's uh you know, basically leveraged, but it's also you know, some people don't have very strong moral high ground, uh strong morals, uh, especially people who you know aren't in the Judeo Christian tradition or Falgong practitioners or people who kind of believe in this um you know innate dignity of every human being, and it's just unthinkable to to have someone killed so you could live, right?
39:38
Like it's just not but and and you know, I had this kind of I don't know, almost traumatic, I would say, discussion on a podcast with Mike Rowe a few weeks ago about this issue where he says to me, you know, if I you know, if it was my daughter, I might actually think about it, right?
39:58
And I say, you know, Mike.
40:00
I honestly don't think you would do it, right?
40:02
I think I know you well enough now that you wouldn't do it.
40:05
But but but you see, like, but to think about it for for you know the daughter, your your daughter that you've been raising for however long, people might think about it and and actually sort of convince themselves that something like this is okay, right?
40:19
And so it's it's a conundrum, Young, because yeah, when I say looking out for number one on my behalf, I always say, well, I'm gonna do the best to get myself a leg up to get a job or get myself a leg up to uh to uh what a trivia contest.
40:32
That's looking out for number one to me.
40:34
But if you're trying to protect your family, uh a lot of people will do desperate things and some and and many cases illegal or extremely immoral or reprehensible things to protect that family.
40:45
So micro, I hate to say that micro brings up a point, but that's a point that a lot of Americans, a lot of people around the world would say, Oh my gosh, is it them or me or my daughter or my son?
40:55
Right.
40:55
Well, well, but I think and and the point is that you will you might think about even if you decided, you know, ultimately, which I think Mike would, this is I would I could never do this, and nor would my daughter allow it, probably.
41:07
You know, I'm guessing he raised her well, right?
41:11
And uh, even though I haven't met her, but uh that's the they prey on this precisely, right?
41:17
And then, you know, I'll just add one more thing here.
41:20
Do you remember um there was this hot mic moment uh maybe back in September when uh Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong-un were actually in Tian Min Square observing uh people's liberation army parade.
41:35
Do you do you remember that?
41:36
I do remember, I remember this.
41:38
I remember this happened.
41:40
Yeah, and so I mean, it was a crazy moment for me.
41:44
My my phone started ringing constantly or buzzing because I don't I don't have my ringer on usually.
41:49
I thought I think you're talking about the one where Xi Jinping was looking for Christopher Robin.
41:53
Oh, I'm sorry, had to put it in there.
41:59
No, no, and this and this is the crazy thing.
42:02
So what they got caught on this hot mic, right?
42:05
And I'll I'll paraphrase this, right?
42:07
But basically, she says to Putin, when we're 70, he's 72, I think, right?
42:12
When we're 70, we're just babies, right?
42:15
And and Putin says back to she through continual organ transplantation, maybe even we can achieve immortality.
42:23
Wow, right?
42:25
And then she responds, he says, our target, or we're we think we can reach 150 years in this century.
42:32
And so, I mean my mind was blown at this moment.
42:37
I'll tell you why, because I was I realized sort of the limits of my own thinking.
42:41
I had known for some time that there was this elite longevity project that the Chinese communist party had been running, and you know, by some estimates, actually, you know, but I think it was in 2008 when you know, sort of they they were saying the average lifespan in China was something like 72 years.
42:59
Uh, the elites were saying, and this is their propaganda, so you have to take it with a grain of salt that they're living 88 years, okay.
43:05
So the 16-year increase in lifespan is pretty sh pretty pretty good, right?
43:10
And how so how are they doing this?
43:13
Well, I know he couldn't do it on just a but or just barrels of honey every day.
43:16
So he's that's I like I like how you're bringing a little levity to this because this is so dark, right?
43:23
I'm trying.
43:23
And it had never occurred to me, right?
43:26
That I knew there was elite longevity, this project, and I knew that they had forced organ harvesting, but I didn't imagine that that the elite longevity project had as its centerpiece the forced organ harvesting industry, right?
43:39
And and I we had even there was this really weird creepy um anecdote that I received.
43:46
It was an obituary of a state-level minister who and the obituary sort of gushed at how amazing it was that this guy had multiple organs transplanted and lived longer as a result, right?
43:57
And it's like, how did you know you first you wonder like how did this happen?
44:00
I don't know, but it's there, right?
44:02
Uh uh, but but then it had a whole whole lot more significance to me when I, after this hot mic moment.
44:07
So, you know, imagine, right?
44:09
Like we're talking about a nine billion dollar annual industry, a nine billion dollar annual industry, okay.
44:16
I mean, like this, these are this is approximate numbers, but I would say for very conservative estimate, okay.
44:23
But what if if you're a Chinese super elite, you actually have based on what we heard, right?
44:29
Organs on demand available to you in perpetuity.
44:34
Yeah, this is this is what people say about the dark web, but this is actually happening above board for the uh world elites.
44:40
And I don't, Jan, expect the UN to do anything about this.
44:44
All things considered, it's China has been on it has been on its humans human rights council as recently as what the last couple of years.
44:53
It's it it's the one of the most ridiculous things you can imagine, right?
44:58
Because it's like right now on the human rights council.
45:00
I I I mean, I I think it's like four of the nations are like just very not just human rights abuses, but very serious human rights abusers, and China, of course, at the lead uh in the lead.
45:12
So um, it doesn't make any sense.
45:15
They've they've they've actually made a whole project.
45:17
You want to talk about you know, instrumentalizing thing what look how they instrumentalized world health organization during COVID, right?
45:24
Oh, yeah.
45:25
Yeah, they basically just sort of took they they said, so what so what happened?
45:30
And they're like, well, it's non-transmissible.
45:32
So the WHS said, hey, it's non-transmissible, as if as if you can you know, trust what the CCP ever says.
45:38
When does that ever worked out, right?
45:39
Oh, absolutely.
45:40
And so they're the ones that got the other ones to give Americans the idea of the lockdowns.
45:44
Uh-huh, a hundred percent.
45:46
Well, so this is so this is one of the terrible things about engagement, right?
45:50
So when we we had this idea, right?
45:52
That we would change them for years.
45:55
We had this idea.
45:56
We were convinced that by pumping that cash into communist China, we were gonna liberalize them.
46:01
They were gonna become a Taiwan or a South Korea, but they had no intention of liberalizing, and they were killing people for their faith, okay.
46:09
Back in 2000, back when that's sort of the height of this mania, right?
46:14
And it's just so obvious, right?
46:15
There's a reason the First Amendment is the first amendment, right?
46:19
It's our in the Bill of Rights, it's our it's our fundamental right, our fundamental protection from government, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of belief, freedom of conscience.
46:28
It's our core core right.
46:30
And if they're so if you're a regime that's killing people, literally for exercising this right for not breaking, right?
46:37
For not allowing yourselves to be broken and believing what you want to believe, thinking what you want to think, you can't be liberalizing.
46:44
It should it should be obvious, right?
46:46
But we really all most of us, I mean, I even before 2000, I think I even believed that, even though you know I hadn't been because I hadn't didn't really know anything about China.
46:55
I just kind of kind of got pulled into it, the whole China human rights space and kind of uh almost by happenstance, and and then I was kind of you know, the the evidence hit me over the head, but so it's it's it's been a long road to get here, and that the big big important piece of kill to order is helping people understand this that that this is not a regime that you can really collaborate with in a meaningful way.
47:22
And you have the only way they really kind of respond is through leverage, and they don't believe in win-win, they don't believe in collaboration.
47:29
When they say we're collaborating, they're thinking to themselves, how can I abuse you?
47:32
How can I take advantage of this?
47:34
How can I subvert you?
47:35
They're not thinking about they're not thinking about a legitimate collaboration at all, and ever.
47:40
And this is the thing that it's so critical to understand because um, you know, it's cost us so much, and we built the world our biggest adversary by not realizing it.
47:51
Yang you can't look at this brings us to another component.
47:55
Your book is is uh is uh read the book if you're listening again.
48:01
That's uh it's called killed to order, and it's it goes into the organ harvesting, it goes into the uh how deep it goes around the world, and uh who who can be involved in this.
48:12
But this this goes a little deeper as far as geopolitics is concerned.
48:16
Uh we've seen talking heads advocate for ceding world power to China, even I even heard Tucker Carlson mention this.
48:24
We've also seen this move during the Obama administration, more so when that administration kind of done behind the scenes in the Biden administrations, maybe ceding world power to China economically at least.
48:35
China's been a prime component in building the de dollarization movement that's their darling called the BRICS uh BRICS Nations.
48:42
How far off am I if I were to suggest here, Jan, these nations of some NGOs and globalist elites were purposely looking the other way to what's going on and leading the media to do the same at China's forced organ harvesting of of Folong Gong practitioners, other deemed black classes to complete or kind of ease into such a power shift.
49:04
Am I am I off here?
49:07
No, so you know, this is uh uh I think there's been kind of a nihilistic movement in the West.
49:15
And I don't know entirely the reason.
49:18
Um, there's there's actually there's whole books that have been written about this at this to some extent, but there's this idea that we're just in the decline, and that decline is somehow inevitable.
49:28
There was a book called the uh I uh written by Graham Allison, uh, you know, the top Harbor professor, the Thucydides trap, right?
49:38
Um, and he argues this that you know America is the is the declining nation, China's the rising nation, and we just have to kind of agree to that.
49:47
This is just what's gonna happen, right?
49:50
And so it's weird.
49:52
This this sort of weird narrative of inevitability, and this isn't again, remember, this is not China like traditional China.
50:00
China and its glory during the Tang dynasty and its open mind and plural pluralistic society and everything.
50:06
No, this is communist China.
50:08
This is a totalitarian regime, right?
50:11
That seeks to subvert anything that isn't of its ilk that it can't control, right?
50:17
So, like, even if even if you were, even if this were remotely true, which I don't think it is, actually.
50:23
I think it's like it's only true in the sense of it being a self-fulfilling prophecy, okay.
50:28
Um, but even if it were true, we we we would have to fight it to the end, right?
50:32
It's like it's like how because the world that uh exists, if the Chinese communist party, the the let's say you believe these multipolarity narratives, right?
50:43
That we have to cede some piece of the power to the that's another one, yeah.
50:46
That's right, all that kind of stuff.
50:48
Yeah, the world, you're basically condemning people to a living hell, right?
50:53
Unless you're of course part of the super elite.
50:55
That's then you have it quite good, right?
50:58
But it's it's it's really a bad future, especially for freedom, you know, for for any freedom loving people, right?
51:05
And then there's, you know, every society, whether it's free or not, has freedom loving people in it, freedom of kind of requiring people.
51:12
And I would argue those people actually are drive, you know, kind of the the best of society in a way.
51:17
Um, and certainly that's part of why America has been so successful, because it's the people who crave that, who crave entrepreneurship and doing things their own way and coming up with their own ideas and feel you know, totally stifled under totalitarian dictates.
51:31
They come here because they know they can actually make something of themselves and and and kind of you know, like break the break the glass ceiling, if you will, or something like that, wherever in whatever area, if they just have the gumption and the will.
51:45
So, you know, this is I'm so disturbed by this that there's so many, there are way too many people that are, you know, there's all these variations of the same narrative that just America's in decline, it's inevitable.
51:58
And like just that it's just not accept, it's not an acceptable narrative to be pushing.
52:03
Like you can think it to yourself, but if you're like convincing others of it, you're creating you're basically making it happen, right?
52:09
The only thing the people convincing others of this are the ones that stand to benefit from it.
52:14
That's that's my belief.
52:15
And secondly, this all this this whole blocking out certain reporting of China, Hollywood making uh making sure China uh China is reported or or portrayed in only a positive light.
52:25
All of this comes together in that respect.
52:28
And uh I mean, maybe the power shift isn't going to happen, but this could creep right in.
52:33
Nothing that torques off the globalist elites more than a freedom, a society like you describe a society where people escape to um and are able to make something of themselves and and and enjoy the freedoms.
52:45
They don't want that, they want control.
52:46
And China has drawn up uh has drawn up a uh a uh I hate to say well, let's say I I'll say brilliant, but I'm using that in quotes, but a blueprint to to total and utter control that European and uh European nations and North American nations used during the COVID era to sort of experiment on their people.
53:07
And it's really it's really so this is it's actually very instructive.
53:12
Let me just comment on this, okay?
53:13
Yes, because you know, we saw the epitome of this totalitarian mind in China's zero COVID policies, where we saw people being welded into their homes, okay.
53:24
I mean, just like very extreme things in an attempt to control a respiratory virus.
53:29
And this is so this is the totalitarian mind personified, and we somehow bought into it.
53:34
You know, our own our own guidance around respiratory viruses said this you should never do this kind of thing.
53:41
Okay, you should really never do this kind of thing.
53:42
Why?
53:43
Because, you know, the let's call it the economy, but it really it's just life, okay?
53:49
Sort of economic and human activity need to continue.
53:53
If you decide to, when you destroy that, if you shut it down, if you break it for any substantive period of time, you know, there's wild amounts of very negative second order effects that come from that, right?
54:05
And so, but but the totalitarian mind can't understand, like just can't fathom this.
54:09
It just believes it can control everything, it can understand the entirety of the system, and then it can even control uh respiratory virus, which it never could.
54:18
It was it was a pipe dream from the beginning, and just our own kind of our own research and guidance in our own public health expressed this, right?
54:27
We just we we picked a route because we somehow believe that that communist China got it under control, right, through these totalitarian methods, and of course it absolutely didn't.
54:38
And the idea that there was no COVID in China, you remember we saw these graphs, right?
54:41
Of course, China is totally free.
54:43
Oh, yeah.
54:45
Horribly comically, I mean, nasty.
54:48
Anyone that was putting these graphs up, I was I was just horrified by it because like what like you believe their numbers somehow, like decide like you know, I just it just doesn't make any sense.
54:58
They don't have they don't publish truthful things except when they're politically convenient.
55:03
All of their numbers are a political purpose, not reality expression purposes or something like that.
55:09
Sometimes those overlap, but every communist regime is like that.
55:12
They they're out there just to try to get you to believe their system is the best, and they're they they can tell you they they believe they're on the moral high ground to tell you such lives too.
55:21
That's another thing.
55:22
I wish we had a lot more time.
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Yanya Kelly of the Epic Times and of course host of American thought leaders and author of this great book, Killed to Order, China's organ harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary.
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It goes even deeper than we we only had 40 minutes to talk, it goes much, much deeper.
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And I say get it.
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Where can our listeners find that again?
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And the website.
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Thank you.
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So killed to order.com is the direct Amazon link.
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That's the fastest, easiest way.
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That's why I use that.
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I basically linked that Amazon link because that's the easiest way to get it.
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But you can also get it at your local bookstore.
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I would encourage you to if you have a local bookstore to ask them to get it.
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Um, you know, get your local, ask your liberal local library to get it.
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Um, but but the quickest way is killed to order.com.
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And please, you know, this is actually we uh I I think this is one of these issues where awareness is really kind of makes the difference.
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And that's why I'm really trying like the book has actually made the New York Times bestseller list, which is astonishing to me.
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It tells me that there's really an interest in this issue, finally, after so many years, and we're kind of this is kind of a movement forming to actually take action at the very least, reduce our own complicity in this horrible enterprise.
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Thank you very much, Yanya Kellek for being with us.
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I'm Chris Kordani, and we are about to end this wonderful session of Unleash the Political News Hour.
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I want to thank you all for being with me, and I want to thank you all for helping us unleash the truth.