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From Killing In Afghanistan To Addiction & Darkness | Richy Thrower · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, a hungry fan boasted, why do
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  Speaker 1: other countries have better McDonald's menus than ours? So we
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  Speaker 1: went abroad and heisted some worldwide favorites the World Menu.
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  Speaker 1: Heist nine of the most wanted McDonald's menu items from
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  Speaker 1: around the world. Now in Ireland until the twenty fifth
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  Speaker 1: November from eleven am. He's applied to Delivery Road as
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  Speaker 1: price and participation may very subject to availability.
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  Speaker 2: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 2: Romeries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse across
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  Speaker 2: eighty countries.
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  Speaker 3: On all seven continents.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Port the t Shirt Podcast, Richie, How
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  Speaker 2: are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Brother?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely unbelievable, mate, are you good?
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  Speaker 3: Ask what a nice positive start to the day In
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  Speaker 3: the podcast?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely mate, suns out what we're on Tuesday whilst.
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  Speaker 3: On Yeah exactly, You've got an all day tomorrow, so yes,
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  Speaker 3: good luck on your holiday. I think I came across you.
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  Speaker 3: I think I saw a post on LinkedIn, And every
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  Speaker 3: now and again you see a post on LinkedIn where
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  Speaker 3: someone's just being a bit honest about stuff, especially veterans,
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  Speaker 3: because there's you know, I do notice in the public sphere, mate,
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  Speaker 3: there's so much bullshit around the military and the post.
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  Speaker 3: You get a lot of these posts, for example, about
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  Speaker 3: people that struggle in the military or people that lost
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  Speaker 3: their husband or whatever it, and they literally get thousands
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  Speaker 3: upon thousands of likes and comments and everything. It's almost
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  Speaker 3: like everyone's a bit sickophantic and brainwashed about what the
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  Speaker 3: military is. And you and I know what it really is,
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  Speaker 3: not what the public think it is. And yet when
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  Speaker 3: you try and raise the issue of something like childhood trauma,
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  Speaker 3: which is what is behind would I would, I would
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  Speaker 3: say signs this significant factor in veterans' mental health later
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  Speaker 3: in life. And of course the suicide let's call it
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  Speaker 3: an epidemic. It's some people are saying, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: five people a week. Then you get no response, you
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  Speaker 3: get limited responses, you get someone arguing with you that no,
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  Speaker 3: now it's you know, we all have perfect childers and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, no, we didn't, mate, we didn't.
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  Speaker 4: So so far right in there somewhere as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, good, a good far right slur or what
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  Speaker 3: was it, I suppose you I suppose you believe the
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  Speaker 3: Earth's flat?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely mate, And it's do you
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  Speaker 4: know what it is though, because so many people are
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  Speaker 4: so like you say, brainwashed into what is normality when
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  Speaker 4: actually a lot of it you're just covering up what's
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  Speaker 4: actually happening because you don't want to deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Richie, So you serve with three mercy and
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  Speaker 3: can we just you know, I'm open you'll go a
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  Speaker 3: little bit deeper on this podcast than most of our guests.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite amazing for someone that's probably chatted to more
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  Speaker 3: military people than anyone else in the UK. I've only
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  Speaker 3: ever had one person on the podcast that's told me
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  Speaker 3: what it's like to kill someone, you know, in I
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  Speaker 3: don't mean like dirty description, I mean like the effect
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  Speaker 3: on you, the circumstances in which it happened. It was
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  Speaker 3: a seller scout. I believe it was a you know,
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  Speaker 3: the what would they they were what become a Rhodesian
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  Speaker 3: you know, Rhodesian army guy. It was Chris Cox. His
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  Speaker 3: name was in a nice chat before we get into that.
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  Speaker 3: You were selling like sweets and cigarettes and cans of
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  Speaker 3: coke out your school bag. Yeah, a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: an entrepreneurial spirit, and I often think that's triggered by
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know. I just recognized that I did
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  Speaker 3: the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I just wanted more, Like I've always wanted more,
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  Speaker 4: Like people a lot of the things that it's people
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  Speaker 4: just go, we'll just be happy with what you've got.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not my happy, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like people have always said, I'll just be happy with
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  Speaker 4: what you've got, and I don't. We don't need this,
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  Speaker 4: we don't need that. I don't need this, And I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I want more, do you know what I mean? And
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  Speaker 4: I've always I've always had that. I've always gone when
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  Speaker 4: people have gone, right, this is the way you should
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  Speaker 4: do things. That's the way you should do that, and
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  Speaker 4: that's the way you should do that. I've always been like,
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  Speaker 4: well what if we did this, do you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? And it's always worked for me, Like so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I just you know, we used to get fags and
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  Speaker 4: the time it was probably like I think it was
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  Speaker 4: a fiver for a pack of twenty Richmond, right, And
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  Speaker 4: you used to get twenty fags and I'd have an
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  Speaker 4: empty packet. So even to like you'd have people that's
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  Speaker 4: old fags in school, But I just took it to
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  Speaker 4: another level. Again, and I kept empty packet of fags
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  Speaker 4: with me. And it's funny because anyone that watches this
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  Speaker 4: go score me. You'll be like everyone obviously knew at
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  Speaker 4: the time. But I used to keep an empty pack,
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  Speaker 4: so you used to sell them for fifty per fag
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  Speaker 4: and if it was your last one, there'd be a pound.
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  Speaker 4: So I'd take one fag out and put it in
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  Speaker 4: the empty pack every time and say, well, it's the
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  Speaker 4: last one. So I did twenty quid out of a
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  Speaker 4: packet of fag because that cost me a fiver, and
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  Speaker 4: then the sweets, the pop and everything. So I was
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  Speaker 4: making like thirty quid a day at school as a kid,
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  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? And like at the time,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people, as in an adult job, probably
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  Speaker 4: weren't earning that, do you know what I mean? So
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  Speaker 4: it's you sort of you know, used to go out
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  Speaker 4: nice clothes, you know, like you'd instead of going out
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  Speaker 4: and drinkingsider, you could afford vodka, do you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? You could have proper fags instead of rollies,
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  Speaker 4: and just it was better and it was you know,
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  Speaker 4: rather than that same thing as people I will just
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  Speaker 4: have that. That's enough. I always likenh fuck that I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't want something better, And I'm still like that today today.
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  Speaker 3: Going back then to my thing about childhood trauma, what
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  Speaker 3: would what would you say? Was the thing in your
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of weird because I'd never say
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  Speaker 3: to my son this, this, and this, or you join
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  Speaker 3: the military. I'd be like, son, I'd really advise you
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  Speaker 3: not to join the military. Yeah, but things are different,
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  Speaker 3: like I'll hug my son fifty times a day if
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  Speaker 3: I can.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And yet as a kid, I never received that that
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  Speaker 3: that like just did not happen, right, I was.
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  Speaker 4: Very much to say not like me. Dad was you know,
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  Speaker 4: my dad's brilliant. If it was any more laid back,
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  Speaker 4: you'd be lying down sort of thing. But I think
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  Speaker 4: I don't know whether this ever did affect me on
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  Speaker 4: or not. But me, my mum and dad's plat when
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  Speaker 4: I was a kid, and it was well on holiday.
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  Speaker 4: So we used to go Barley every summer for like
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  Speaker 4: the six weeks holiday in school, would go Barly for
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  Speaker 4: six weeks and on the first night an all day
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  Speaker 4: my mum cheating on my dad. Now my dad carm
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  Speaker 4: and you know, completely respectful to me. Dad and I
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  Speaker 4: only found this out probably three years ago. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know my dad had caught him, and he pretended for
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  Speaker 4: that whole six week holiday that nothing had happened, so
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  Speaker 4: that me and my sister could have a good old
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  Speaker 4: day at the time. But then my dad obviously they
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  Speaker 4: divorced and we were living and we Dad and lived
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  Speaker 4: in a little place called dan Twitch, just down the
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  Speaker 4: road from here. And at the time, you know, my
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  Speaker 4: mum took him for everything, even though she was the
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  Speaker 4: one who cheated on him, she took him for everything,
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  Speaker 4: like his pension, you know, had loads everything, liked the house, everything,
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  Speaker 4: and he just wanted he was like, you have whatever
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  Speaker 4: you want. I just want to see the kids. But
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  Speaker 4: you know we had we didn't have a lot at all,
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  Speaker 4: which is where I think I sort of you know,
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  Speaker 4: my dad was going to Morrison's every night, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the whoopsies like you get where they put fucking like
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  Speaker 4: we were having like the most random tees for years
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  Speaker 4: because we were you know, you get like eight pe
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  Speaker 4: sausage rolls and fucking tin of beans or whatever it was,
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  Speaker 4: waffles or whatever it was. And I completely I never
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  Speaker 4: understood how hard that must have been. Do you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, and I was just being a
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  Speaker 4: nightmare and just getting into scraps and fighting and fucking
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  Speaker 4: getting kicked out of school and getting suspended, and then
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  Speaker 4: I got expelled from two schools, like just you know,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't I don't know whether that was ever
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  Speaker 4: a thing linked to that or it was just you know.
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  Speaker 4: I always say to people, I was just bored. I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was bored at school, Like my idea of health
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  Speaker 4: is just sat in a classroom listening to stuff that
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  Speaker 4: I'm never going to fucking use. And I always asked
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  Speaker 4: the right questions in school. I always said, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you do algebra, and I'd asked the maths teacher, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just honestly, I just say, listen, like why are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: Like when am I ever going to use this? Like
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  Speaker 4: school is for when I become an adult? When am
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  Speaker 4: I ever going to use this in my adult life?
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  Speaker 4: And you get shouted out for that question, do you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Same as you know our religion teacher.
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  Speaker 4: This was in like year eight, year nine. Our religion
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  Speaker 4: teacher was a fucking science teacher. And I'll never forget
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  Speaker 4: and how I got suspended for this in one lesson science.
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  Speaker 4: He was telling us how we came from fucking monkeys
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  Speaker 4: and everything else, and then he taught us in r
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  Speaker 4: the hour after telling us that we're about because fucking
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  Speaker 4: two people are shagging under a tree? Do you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean? And I'm like, you're a fucking hypocrite.
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  Speaker 4: And I got I got suspended for a fucking week
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  Speaker 4: at school because I was arguing, going like, well, which
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  Speaker 4: one is it? Mate?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Well this is this lesson. That's lesson. I was like, so,
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  Speaker 4: which one's fucking real? Like you sat here, you told
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  Speaker 4: me how ago is this? Now you tell me it's that,
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  Speaker 4: Like why are we even here? If you tell me
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  Speaker 4: loads of different things like and it's you look back
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  Speaker 4: now and it's all the right questions to ask, like
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  Speaker 4: because it is rightly.
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  Speaker 3: So like, how did you get on in your exams?
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  Speaker 4: Horrendous? I spelt fudge me gcse results said fudg going down,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought it was the best thing in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just I'm flagging this up because you're describing my
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  Speaker 3: childhood in school. I used to get in there aokount
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  Speaker 3: the window and I always used to go next week,
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  Speaker 3: I'll start trying. Yeah, but I was intelligent. Yeah, in
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  Speaker 3: some areas, I'm exceptionally you know, yeah, I can be.
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  Speaker 4: But I wasn't allowed to do engineering. Right, So, like
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  Speaker 4: the age of thirteen, you know, I had motorbikes, motocross bikes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, mini motors and all that good stuff. I
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  Speaker 4: could fucking rebuild a mini motor engine at the age
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  Speaker 4: of thirteen, right, And I wanted in school, I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do engineering because of that. Now, I wasn't allowed
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  Speaker 4: to do engineering because I didn't get the grades in
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  Speaker 4: misats for fucking maths, English or whatever it was. I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't allowed to choose it. But I was probably more
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  Speaker 4: fucking engineering clued up than the fucking teacher at the time,
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  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? I could fucking rebuild anything,
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  Speaker 4: and I loved engines, I loved bikes, I love cars,
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  Speaker 4: And I wasn't allowed to do what I was good
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  Speaker 4: at because I was I didn't listen to something that
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't interested in, which is just fucking insane.
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  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, there's something with a lot of US veterans.
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  Speaker 3: The term ADHD is banded around it. But and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not obviously a big I certainly don't believe in being
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  Speaker 3: a victim. And I don't really like labels, but there
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  Speaker 3: is something there with us loot. Yeah, you know, there
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  Speaker 3: is something that they're a lack of attention in school
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  Speaker 3: is I think it is a sort of a big one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, then you put anything in front of me that
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  Speaker 4: interests me, and I'll do it better than anyone else
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  Speaker 4: in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. And like this they call it
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  Speaker 3: Da Vinci personality. So when you find something that interests you,
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  Speaker 3: you're almost obsessive with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely completely, Like you know, even with like the
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  Speaker 4: filming stuff, Like I did more in three months and
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  Speaker 4: learned more in three months, and like this is weird
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  Speaker 4: now because last year tried taking on people for the
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  Speaker 4: business and stuff, you know, people that have coming out
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  Speaker 4: of UNI for four or five years, And I learned
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  Speaker 4: more in three months on fucking YouTube. The nave learned
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  Speaker 4: it four or five years in UNI because I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to learn it, and like you say, you become obsessed
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  Speaker 4: with it, and it's it's a different kettlefish I call it.
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  Speaker 4: People say to me like all the time, Oh, you've
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  Speaker 4: definitely got adhd you one hundred percent, Like like you
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  Speaker 4: need to get fucking medicated. You need to fucking get
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  Speaker 4: this out and the other. And I was just saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not being funny, but the way I am has
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  Speaker 4: got me to where I am today, So why would
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  Speaker 4: I do anything to fucking want to change that?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, so it's coming to Afghanistan. Then you obviously did
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  Speaker 3: Joy join the army? Yeah? Were you like worldly aware
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  Speaker 3: at eighteen of not?
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  Speaker 4: Really? No, I was just still a little crank.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you probably watched the Twin Towers coming down on
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  Speaker 3: the TV and thought it was a guy in a
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  Speaker 3: cave on a kidney dialysis machine in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 4: That's the one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get it is to talk about something serious. Now,
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  Speaker 3: So if you've killed two people.
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  Speaker 4: To confirmed, yeah I got.
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  Speaker 3: Can you just tell us the circumstances around that? And
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  Speaker 3: then I want to just explore the after effects.
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  Speaker 4: See when so one I knew, I definitely got the
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  Speaker 4: other one, I wasn't too sure. But it's very hard
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  Speaker 4: to tell because a lot of the time, if you're
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  Speaker 4: not shooting into a compound, you're shooting into what is
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  Speaker 4: a jungle? Do you know what I mean? Like, and
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  Speaker 4: all as you're seeing is heads popping up and down
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  Speaker 4: on walls, and around corners and all sorts, so it's
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  Speaker 4: very hard to then go, oh, well, I definitely got
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  Speaker 4: him unless you saw it, you know, at a distance
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  Speaker 4: where you could see it. People are just bobbing heads
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  Speaker 4: up and down. So if somebody stops bobbing the up
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  Speaker 4: and down, and it could be do you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? It could be anything, could be the moved that,
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  Speaker 4: it could be anything like. But I had a mate
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  Speaker 4: there who had done Iraq, and he was in the
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  Speaker 4: army for a long time, and the first time we
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  Speaker 4: come under contact, I looked at him and started laughing
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  Speaker 4: my head off and and he just started laughing with me,
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  Speaker 4: and we were in absolute hysterics. And I said to
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  Speaker 4: him after, I was like, what the fuck was that?
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  Speaker 4: And he said, it's just your way of dealing with it.
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  Speaker 4: He says, you leave a laugh, cry or scream for
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  Speaker 4: your mom, do you know what I mean? Everyone is
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  Speaker 4: totally different. But I was in hysterics. But I think
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  Speaker 4: when I got that, which I definitely knew about, I
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  Speaker 4: was sort it's weird. And I tell people now and
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  Speaker 4: I'm an emotional spastic in the sense of you know,
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  Speaker 4: something like that happens, or you know one of the
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  Speaker 4: lads die or anything like that. You're not you drilled
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  Speaker 4: into it to you, You're not allowed to grieve, You're
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  Speaker 4: not allowed to feel anything until you get home. So
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  Speaker 4: this is at the start of at all, and there's
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  Speaker 4: that delay, and it's mad. You can be brainwashed like
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  Speaker 4: that in terms of not being allowed to deal with something.
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  Speaker 4: Until he was like, are you are right? You're right
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  Speaker 4: sort of thing. I was like, yeah, yeah, fine, sound
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  Speaker 4: like and we just carried on. And it never And
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  Speaker 4: I know a lot of people say, oh, well, it
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  Speaker 4: bothers me. And I've got PTSD because that happened, and
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  Speaker 4: I've got this many confirmed kills in this It's genuinely
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  Speaker 4: never bothered me. Like whether that's a sick thing or
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  Speaker 4: fucking secret psychopath, I don't know. But the way I
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  Speaker 4: see it is them comes were trying to kill me,
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  Speaker 4: and I just got on first, do you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? And if I didn't do what I did,
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  Speaker 4: I'd be dead or somebody else even worse, do you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean? And it's never it's never bothered
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  Speaker 4: me in that way, whether that's the right thing or
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  Speaker 4: the wrong thing. And it's obviously not a normal thing
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  Speaker 4: to do, like you stop and you think about what
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  Speaker 4: you've just done, but then you just carry on because
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  Speaker 4: it's your job. You've done all this training leading up
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  Speaker 4: to it. Obviously nothing's prepared you for that. But it's
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  Speaker 4: never it's never bothered me in that way, do you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean? And I don't know whether anyone
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  Speaker 4: else has ever said that, but it's never really it's
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  Speaker 4: never really phased me in that way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one because obviously from your perspective
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  Speaker 3: and your future, the best result is you don't want
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  Speaker 3: it to bother you because you you you know, you
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  Speaker 3: don't want years of depression and more drugs and alcohol
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But and it's very weird like when when I when
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  Speaker 4: I came out, and this was like a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years maybe two three years when I left, I started
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  Speaker 4: getting sleep Palysi's really bad, and I do get it
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: sometimes every now and then now, but I was it
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: got to the point where I was fucking petrified and
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: going to sleep and I didn't I didn't know why
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I was getting him. So it's like, I don't know
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: if you've ever heard of it, like like knights errors,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: where you know you're sort of half asleep, half awake
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: and you're dreaming. But it's weird because everyone around the
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: world has a similar sort of dreams, and I to
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: dream that like I'd wake up and this dark figure
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: in the room jump on us and start strangling us,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: and you know, I'd wake up screaming you couldn't move
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: sort of thing. And I went to the doctors because
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I was literally I wasn't sleeping. I was I was
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: at one point, I was absolutely petrified going to sleep.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: And I went to the doctors and was like, listen,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: like this is going on at night. I'm fucking it's
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: killing me. Like I can't go to sleep. I'm fucking
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: scared of going to sleep. I've done all these things
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: and I'm fucking petrified. And they were like, well, if
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: you have any like massive trauma or anything like, is
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: anything you know, any really bothered. I was like, yeah,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: well he used to be in the army and did
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Afghan and you know, some shit up in there sort
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: of thing. But it doesn't FaZe me like that. It
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: doesn't doesn't bother me. And she was like, well it does.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: You just don't think it does. And I said, what
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: do you mean. She's like, well, you think through the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: day you're awake, all you're doing through the day is
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: suppressing their memories all the time, constantly and saying they
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: don't bother you, they don't bother you, they don't bother you.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: But then when you fall asleep, you're you can't any
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: longer suppress those memories and stuff. So you're being attacked
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: from the inside out, do you know what I mean?
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: And that's why you're getting these these night terrors. So
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put your anti depressants.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not depressed, and she said, well,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: you need to have them. I was like, well, I'm
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: not having them. I don't. I don't I'm not depressed.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Why would it take antidepressants. It makes no sense to
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: eliminate this and that and the other. And I had
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: one mate I had, I had one of them, and
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I just felt fucking horrible all day. I was like
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: never taking them over again, and it got really really bad,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: and it was just constantly just not sleeping until my
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: mate came around and he was like, right, you're going
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: to sort your fucking shout now, Like get your get
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: your shoes, get your shorts on. We're going for a run,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: and we run for a run and we're literally ran
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: until I was fucking sick. And I did that every
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: single day for a week and I was fucking cured.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Like it went it went away, like and I try
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: and talent and teach people that now. Is like, exercise
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: is so fucking important for your wellbeing, whether it's fucking walking,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: going up the ills, fucking running, going the gym like
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: anything like that. If you're and I'm not saying I'm
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: not a fucking doctor or anything like that, but if
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: you feel like shit, if you feel depressed, this, that
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: and the other, I guarantee you if you go out
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: for a run now and fucking run yourself until you're sick,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: you will feel a million times better than you did
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: before you did that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no one ever regrets going for a run, do they.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: No? No, And it's so beneficial, like it's unbelievable.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. I'm sort of saying it's Richard just because
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: there'll be people listening or watching now that that's a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: difficult thing to discuss. And I don't mean to upset
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you a tool, so apologies and advance, but what do
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you get, Like I seen a post by a pretty
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: famous vecteran the other day he got quite badly injured
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: in Afghanistan. Subsequently, you know, made a full recovery, albeit
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: there's some serious bits of his body missing. And now,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of these guys they're coaches, aren't
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: they life coaches or inspirational speakers and all this sort
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: of stuff. And one thing I've sort of noticed with
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and which doesn't surprise me, because you know, no disrespects,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: but you're still living in a matrix, you haven't, you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: this enlightenment awakening thing hasn't come to you yet. And
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: they still always refer to himself as you know, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: was protecting my country from the bad guys, whereas someone
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: like me and probably the majority of my audience would say,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: hang on, like, do you know who the bad guys are?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: It's probably you want to look closer to London than
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: you do to killbull. You know, do you ever think
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that it was all massively lie to most walls are
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a massive deception that that enemy over there had done
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: fuck all to us, except they lived in a part
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: of the world where opium grew quite easily, and that
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: under the Taliban that was a crop that was banned,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: and that the global cabal, the dark networkers we refer
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: to them. They've always traditionally traded in opium. The Bush family.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: People think the Bush family made the money in oil. No,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: they were opium smugglers, importers. Look at the you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: look at the deal that the you that England struck
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: with China that will have Hong Kong and they used
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: that as the entry entry port for opium from India
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: and China gave back silver. So do you have any
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: thoughts there? For people watching him saying that, you know, Scott,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: he's always talk about, well, look I shot this person,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: but he would have shot me and it was all fair,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and it's like, we'll hang on. It's not really fair
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: if you shouldn't have been there in the first place.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming you, Richie, because you was a team.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You were like me when I said I didn't know
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: nothing about nothing. You know, still probably don't. A lot
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: of people would say, do you have any thoughts there?
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Do you have any sort of reflection on fucking hour?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: If I did shoot someone, it would probably someone just
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: like me that was standing up for their you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the land that they lived on.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: See when what helped me probably was the amount of
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: thankques you get off the locals because the Taliban were
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: a gang. Like yeah, there was probably all the government
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: stuff involved in the dodgy bits and bobs, but like
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: there was people there generally that you know, were locals
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: who were just normal people going about the day, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: farming land and this, that and the other weren't involved
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: with the Taliban who when we were there and you'd
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: walk past, they'd give you food to try and give
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: you everything you can and say thank you because the
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Taliban we're trying to obviously bring in all these laws
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and everything that which they have obviously now. But when
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: we were there, as much as there was a war
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: going on, it was more peaceful than it is today
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: because they're now having to abide by all the ship
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that the Taliban are trying to bring it. You know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: women aren't allowed to go to school or universities and
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: you know, all things like that, which when we were
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: there they were allowed to do. They were very thankful
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: of us being there and trying to get rid of
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: the Taliban essentially because of everything they were trying to do.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Because they were there were a gang. They were literally
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: a gang like of you horrible fucking people who just
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: want to control and be extreme, whereas a lot of
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: the locals, I mean most of the locals there don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: want that. They don't want it. Like so, I think
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I made peace with a lot of you know, you
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: see the government stuff and you hear about it, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: it's and it's completely fucking obvious why. But there was
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: a massive benefit to them, even though it wasn't our fight,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, Like, do you know what I mean?
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: It wasn't our fight, But people genuinely were thankful that
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: we were there at that time, do you know what
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I mean? So as much as that was going on,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of good and a lot of
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: horrible people were rid of by us, do you know
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's good. It's good that you add that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: sort of I don't want to say balance, because I
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: think there's always something in every war that you need
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: to get young men fucking triggered and fighting and scrapping
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and thinking that they're doing the You know that, you
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: know that they're doing the right thing. But of course
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: in your mind when you're eighteen, that is you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: that is the world you live in. It is is
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: us against it's us against them. And the Taliban did
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: have a reputation, uh for being atrocious basically, yeah, yes, yes, good,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: good good. You mentioned that. I wish there was more
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I could say on it, but it's so it's so complex,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: isn't it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Massively? Yeah, massively? And you know, the level of people
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that were there were just you know, the dirty fighters,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: but you've got a respect them in in a way
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: of how they do things because they are fucking clever,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: like there's no doubt about it. And also you're fighting
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: people who how the fuck do you win against somebody
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: who you're fighting when they think that they die, they
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: go to a better place. None of them are bothered
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: about dying like you're literally there is no fear mate. Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: And if you can't win against an enemy in flip flops,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: as we found out, as the Yanks found out in
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Vietnam as well, then how the hell do you think
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you're going to survive a day in something like Ukraine
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: up against Russia. Okay, now with advanced technology and you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you got people there that are looking at your social
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: media posts, they actually know who you are on who
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: that guy is on the.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Battlefield now and listen, that's a proper fucking war and
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: a mate of mine, Alex, he's part of that Chosen Company.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know if BBC of the documentary on them.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So I actually got shut in the neck in an
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: irrigation ditch and he's still fucking there now, and he
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: literally got squared up, got sorted and went back out
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: to the line.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Are we talking Ukraine now?
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: In Ukraine? Yeah, yeah, this is yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, we've had a few veterans of that conflict, volunteers
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I suppose you'd call them, or people that went over
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: and joined, or some of them actually joined the Foreign
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: legion or they joined the Ukraine forces. Interesting individuals, I say,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the older childhood trauma and stuff. Yeah,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: so this just I want to say one more thing
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and then perhaps we'll move on, because one theory is
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the the Yanks went in there, smashed the place up,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: made an absolute nuisance of himself, highly like I mean,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: hated by the Taliban obviously, but also you know there
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: were locals there like, yeah, we don't like the Taliban,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: but we also don't like you lot coming through our villagers,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: you know, strip searching our not strip, but you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: searching our putting your hands on our women and busting
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: our compounds down and smashing and coming in with ordnance
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and putting handcuffs on it. You know, I'm not I'm
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: free forming here, folks give me.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Like it was when it's hard, because they used to
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: use that against sh in it. So like giving an example,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: we're in paupers and up, let me come across a compound.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And this compound was a suspected Taliban you know, sort
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: of storage compound if you like. Right, And we were
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: met by a bloke at the front door, right, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: he's like, you can't come in here. He says, well,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: well why he says, well, there's a load of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: load of wives inside and because of their religion, you're
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: not allowed to see them. I can't remember exactly what
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: it was, but something like you're not allowed to see
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: the wife when the husband isn't there or something like that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: So you're then against a you're fighting a sort of
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: religious battle then, do you know what I mean? And
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: it's well what do you do? What don't you do?
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: And then the interpret is going, yay, you know this
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: is our religion. We can't go in there. If there's
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: you know, six wives on the other side of that door,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: we're not allowed to see them. It's it's herm or
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: whatever it may be. In the end, someone kicked the
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: door off and it was full of fucking aks, RPGs.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: The fucking we've got an a one fucking bomb maker
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: on the biometrics that was in there, and like, it's
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: mad how that could have gone the opposite way? Do
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Imagine that went the opposite
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: way and there was genuinely six wives in there, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: it caused a massive uproar, and you know, you get
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: a knock on the door today saying you committed a
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: fucking war crime. Do you know what I mean? It's
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: so woke in it. Do you know what I mean?
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: You've got to be so careful now what you do.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I know the fucking media are going
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: after a load of Special Forces guys at the moment,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: and it's by someone who's sat in a fucking office
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: his whole life, never been anywhere sort of hostile in
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: his life except for the fucking corner shop, and he's
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: trying to tell the world that all these people have
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: done bad things when they've never left fucking Cheshire, do
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? It just it really really
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: gets my back up. Stuff like when you can never
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: tell someone how you you know that they're saying, oh, well,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done it that way. Well, how the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: fucking hell do you know? You've never been there, Like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: you've never been fucking come under contact, You've never had
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: a fucking ied go off within fucking feet fifty meters
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: of you, Like, how can you say how you would
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: think of them? Sit situations where totally different? You know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I've seen the artist fucking blokes that I thought with
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the artist fucking blokes ever start crying when you come
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: into contact? Do you know what I mean?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I'm laughing, mate, because I remember when things went banging
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Northern Ireland and you looked around and yeah, even some
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: trained commanders there they went to ship and you were
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: like fucking fellas.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: And that can't be helped by a lot of people,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Like you don't know how you're going to deal with
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: that situation when you come to that situation, like you
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: can't no matter whether you the artist fucking bloke in
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: the world, you don't know how you're going to react
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: when you hear that fucking zip noise coming over your head.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: You don't.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I'll come back to the point I was I was
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: going to make, but I just want to say for
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: friends out there listening that are like, well, you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: it was all about the you know, women in schools
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and men having beards and all this this kind of
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: stuff that what you could almost call propaganda. The reason
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I'm push pushing a bit here, Richie, is I know
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: who was behind those events in New York and Washington, right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of people do now. It was a cabal.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It was made up of something called Project for American Century.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Who were these group of When I say neo cons,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: you just insert global mafia, right, And they put together
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: this plan that they needed to expand the US military
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: influence worldwide. By US military, I'm not referring to our
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: beautiful American brothers and sisters who were totally oblivious that
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: this ship was going on. I'm saying that they've hijacked
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the US military apparatus for their for their own good,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: and they worked in conjunction with people like Larry Silverstein,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: who had the contract for the Twin Towers in New
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: York and Building seven. Very important to understand buildings that
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: you know, the scenario that happened there, and what people
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: forget is off the back of what happened on that
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: fate day in New York and Washington, they said it
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: was geezers in Afghanistan. Right, that was the reason it
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was never about women with beards and men going to
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: school and all this subsequent propaganda that the medium machine
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: spewed to justify in the in the minds of the
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: squaddies what they was going in there for. Right, I'm
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: just I've just got to say this, Richie.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, have you watched the documentary on Netflix recently?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I don't watch anything to do just by it, just
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: because I've been at this twenty years now. Anything mainstream
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: is paid for by the cabal that it justice. And
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: what they do they sell you on this, Hey, there's
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory that like this building just dropped out
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the sky and there was planed it. And then what
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: they subtly do They use this psychological technique two thirds
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: away through the movie, when they've hooked you into thinking
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: you're going to get some honesty in truth, they flick
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: the switch, bringing expert who then just calls everyone who
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: questions the narrative or they're missing something in their life
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and they're searching for answers. It's like, no, mate, we
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: saw a building drop out the sky for no reason
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: whatsoever and you can't explain that, right, Yeah, and sorry.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to say that, so because it
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: is difficult. You've got a lot of people that only
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: think we were in Afghanistan because of the brutal Taliban
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: and we had to go. It was like, no, it
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: was it was that. The reason that they went in
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: there was that they said the people who orchestrated that
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: event in New York and Washington were training in camps
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: in Afghanistan. We now know it. It was that's nonsense.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: It was the project for New American Century, aka the
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: neo cons aka calling what you like cabal, dark network merchants.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Right in conjunction with like I say, Larry Steeves seeing
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Donald Rumsfeld, who was Secretary of Defense, he managed to
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: let two point three trillion dollars go missing from the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Pentagon and announced it the day before on September the tenth, right,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and then Dick Cheney, vice president. Right, this is how
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: entrench this dark network is. Who was the president of Halliburn. Okay,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: he'd stepped aside for the role of you know, vice
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: president because you can't be seen to have conflict of interest.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: But Halliburn, they got all the contracts for everything that
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: was smashed up in the Middle East, right building this
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: shit crap, you know, with contractors that just raking in
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: the basically siphoning off our taxpayers money for their private
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: global mafia under the pretense at they're redeveloping the destruct
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: You're going to see the same thing with black Rock
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: now in Ukraine.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: So sorry, I've gone on a bit there, but it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: important that people stop having their fucking head up their
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: ass and believe in all this, you know, and that
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: we see it for what it is. Otherwise your kid's
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: going to be getting sent and so is mine, Richie,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you know. And the reason we know that this, we
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: know this is when the day came to pull the plug,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: which I believe is when the Chinese did the deals
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: for the lithium in Afghanistan and that the compromise was
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: made with the Taliban over the opium and the opium trade.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Then they just pulled out in literally almost one day,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: left all of that machinery, all that plant, all that
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: heavy weaponry, all that uniforms, all those shaikons full of stuff.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: They left everything, all the infrastructure. So if they went
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: in there, because they were saying these people supported errorrists
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: say that word a bit loosely, just armed, why did
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you leave and leave them everything? That would be a
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: risks bloody dream, right, So yeah, so sorry, I was
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: just coming on to say, did you have any feelings
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: when you saw them just pull out like that and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: you knew how many young men and women had lost
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: their lives or lost their limbs massively.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I got really upset that day because you just think, well,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: what was that for them? What was all that for?
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Like you know, and you know, good lads and ladies
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: had died for to just hand everything back, you know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And that's the way I saw it. And nobody could
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: really understand then, And I suppose you don't understand if
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: you've never been there, But a lot of people at
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: home like what the fuck? But why why are you
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: so down about it? Like whatever? Leave them to it?
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, but you don't understand all the
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: ship that you had to deal with when you were there,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: like do you know what I mean? And and a
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: lot of it was thinking about those people who had
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: come to it, you know, all them people I was
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: speaking about, saying, you know, thank you so much for
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: being here, and all the kids you've seen growing like
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: you know, little kids and that you'd seen. And I
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: always just think, I just put a post out the
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: other day saying, like I wonder where what's happened to
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: these people and whether they're still alive or you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I always look back at those people who were dead,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: thankful that you were there, and wonder, well are they
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: still fucking alive? Because of the way they felt then
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean, they would have known.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it really upset me. That really upset me.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I served in the Northern Ireland Conflict, and you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I want a better future, Richie, for the for the kids.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: If you bring kids into this world, I think you've
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: got to be a warrior and do what is best
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: for them. And I think that means you have to
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: question things. And for me, I can easily shot my
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: military ideent fucked that. It was just some It was
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a job I did when I was a kid, right,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: It was a very special job. In parts. There was
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: some wonderful people you got to meet and we wore
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: a prestigious green Berett Greenberry, which was you know that
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: were nice for damaged kids to fucking achieve something in life.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying when I say damage kids,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Not not everyone obviously that joins the military's damage, but
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: a lot a lot of us. It was. It was
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: an important thing coming from a broken home.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: First I was proud of yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Even when I look at the
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Northern Iroland comfort we had bombs going off on the
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: mainline land all during that conflict. Particularly it got particularly
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: bloody in the seventies, I think the early eighties there
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: was a horrific incident. I believe it was Hyde Park
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: where a nail bomb went off in one of the
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: horse parades and seventeen horses. I'm not going to say
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the recipe people, you know, imagine a nail bomberd fucking
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: poor hors has done nothing to no one, let alone
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: you know what happened to the people riding them? And that,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: and and then it never occurred to me until I
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: saw what what these maniacs were willing to do in
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: order to get their war in Afghanistan, what happened in
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: you know, I started to learn about false flag events
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: and then I was like, ah, who was really behind
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: you know? And I'm not professing that I know, but
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I'm mature enough to be able to ask that, you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: raise that question. Then you hear that m I six
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: was the were the controllers for the IRA. And then
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you hear that under the guise of the IRA they
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: took took out Mount Batton because he was, you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: he was going to bring the Royals into trouble with
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: his uh this is allegedly, folks, his his interaction with
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: young boys, shall we say? And then when you hear
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: that the coal industry in Northern Ireland, which was quite productive,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: was also and then you start to think do we
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: know anything about these conflicts and who's behind them? Really?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And think about it. It's not just fucking conflicts. What
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: about everything else that we don't know about? Is what
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I always think. And this is why I I don't
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: watch the news. I don't watch the news now, I
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: don't read the paper. I don't look at anything fucking
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: news related. I'd rather just stay out of the bubble.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: And because you meet people who I mean, I had me,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: mate Wrangers the other week to give you an example,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: like for you know, at the end of the day,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: he rings me and he goes, fucking hell, we're all
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: going to fucking die, like fucking Peuting's gonna drop bombs
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: as this, that and the other. It's fucking gonna kill
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: us all and this that and the other, and oh
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: we need to you know, you need to be knowing
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: about this stuff. And I'm like, fucking bore off, mate,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: And he's like, what do you mean. You're a fucking
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: idiot as if you can't even think about what's going
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: on and stuff. And I'm like, mate, like I live
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: in fucking Crew, Like what am I gonna do about
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: fucking puting with a fucking finger on a button in Russia?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Like nothing? Absolutely fuck all. And you're a fucking landscape
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: gardener in Crew, what the fuck are you gonna do?
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: So instead of watching the news in the morning and
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: letting that consume your whole fucking day, stop watching it
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: because there's nothing you can fucking do. Even if it
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: does happen today, tomorrow, next week or in a year,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: me and you aren't going to be able to do
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: fuck all about it, So stop worrying about it, carry
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: on with your fucking life and fucking have fun, because
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: you're just gonna you're just letting it consume everything you do.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: And you'll construck. You're just putting out dark, dark dark enyh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: got ya, got ya. So yeah, mate, I appreciate you
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: letting me have some input here, Richie, because can you
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: imagine how many podcasts they're just it's just all surface shit,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: isn't it. You know what I mean? What do you
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: do in Afghanistan? Richie? Ah went in and it was
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: fucking great and it was also up the British. We're
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: fucking brilliant and okay, thanks folks liking subscribe and they
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: have talked about shiit. What's really going on?
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: You know? I always say to people, it's the worst
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: lads holiday ever went on. Yes, I think you have
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: got to see that, you know, look at every don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: just look at everything as the negatives, but look at
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: as the positives. I came back from there and appreciated
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: a lot more like I was still a little twapp
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: before I went there. I came back and appreciated what
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I had before then. I didn't, you know, I'd never
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: been to the other side of the world and seeing
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: out you know, third world countries fucking live. Do you
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? We're me and you were lucky
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: enough to be able to fucking you know, we could
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: finish this podcast now getting a nice car, drive to
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: fucking Starbucks, not even have to get out of the car,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: get a coffee and something to eat, and fucking drive
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: off again. Amount of people in the world that can't
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: even fucking do that, It's unbelievable. And I'm just dead
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: grateful now and know how lucky I am after seeing
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: that side of the world, to know how lucky I
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: am to have all them things and be able to
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: do the things that we massively take for granted, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: not just having food in the fridge, but actually fucking
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: having a fridge. A lot of people don't even have
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: a fridge, do you know what I mean? It's it's maden.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: When I think you can look at stuff like that,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I think you've become very not humble. I fucking hate
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: that word, but do you know what I mean? You
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: you become.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Very aware of humility in't it?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And it's how we.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Develop emphathy is by by having these experiences. Yeah, so,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: friends out there, could you like and subscribe folks? Like
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I just said to Richie, you don't really get these conversation.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I get it, Richie. There's a load of
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: people watching now that they just want to hear about
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: how fucking hard you are and what shit you blew
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: up in afghan And I'm a.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Soft con again, I'm a soft gun anyway.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: And I'm saying out there, folks, you know, we're just
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: going a little bit deeper on this podcast about the
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: things that really matter, because at the end of the day,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: you get one life and you don't want to live
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: it in darkness and be brainwashed by all this media
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: and stuff. So if you can like and subscribe, folks,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: that would be absolutely wonderful. Like subscribe, hit the notification bell.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: So Richie, let's come on then, because you've started a
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: media company, which is just amazing. You've made films now
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: about veterans who have struggled upon leaving the military. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: want to come onto that. But you did mention drugs
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: in your bio that you sent to me, and can
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: we just explore how did you get into that? How
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: long was it before you realize perhaps you were self
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: medicating and it was, you know, a bit of a
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: downward spiral. What was behind it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: I think because when I was still in Germany, so
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: I've always been into music, and I was going I
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: started going raves when I was like thirteen fourteen, going
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: to fucking wig and peer on adult nights and going
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: away for the weekend, amongst many other things. And when
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: you're in the Army, you're obviously not all had to
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: stay drugs, you're not allowed to do anything like that.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, we still did, but I think when I
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: came out, because I was djaying as well, and often
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: i'd fly back from Germany to go and do gigs
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: at home or you know, in Holland and stuff like that,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: it was really good at what I did, and I
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: think when I got out that that barrier wasn't there anymore,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: like so it was like, oh, well, fuck it, I
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: can just do it now and not think about it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: And then when you're djaying and you become you get
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: better and better and better, and before you know it,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: you get into three gigs a weekend. You also getting tired,
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: so you're doing a lot more of that. Do you
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, and then I think it was
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: it was sort of around and this was only recently again,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I actually stopped going to the rais because I was
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: getting off the head too much and I knew that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: And then it got to the point where maybe three
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: years ago, I was working my job in security that
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: was five days a week, and then I'd started obviously
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: the filming and stuff on a weekend, and I was
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: having it every other day, every day, sometimes every other day,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: and it more sort of started again with like cocaine
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: and stuff, but to more, not because I wanted it,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: but it was I sort of started it because I
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: couldn't stay awake because I knew I had that much
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: to do and it was my way of being able
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: to stay awake and get it done. But then that
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: just completely fucking snowballed into a whole new problem when
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: you become dependent on it then and you fucking lie
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: out your teeth, your fucking you know, and I just
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: it absolute rock bottom with it, mate, absolutely rock bottom
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: until last year. Last year, I just sat there like
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Christmas time, and I was like, do you know what,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna drink anymore because that is what happens
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: is I could go out, and I'd go, right, I'm
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: not gonna have any of that tonight. Nothing. I'm just
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: gonna go out. I'm gonna have a couple of beers
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: and that's going to be it. And as soon as
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I ad a pint, I'd be like, right, I'm going
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: to get a bag straight away instantly. And I understand
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: that now because it creates a chemical in your body
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: called coke flamine, which, even though you're saying, oh, don't
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: need it, if you're constantly relating cocaine to alcohol and
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: having them both at the same time, creates a chemical
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: in your body called cokeflamine, which your body then craves
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: like a mad addiction after doing it for so long.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: So every time you have alcohol, even though your brain's
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: saying no, your body's going, well, you've had this, now
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: you to have this. And I sat down with someone
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: and he told me about that, and I was like, oh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: that makes sense. So I just went at Christmas last year,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I said I'm not going to drink and just see
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: what happens. And I've not had I've not had a
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: drop of alcohol since Christmas last year and I've not
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: touched it since. And nice one mate, nice one. But
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I said, it's funny because we're at this is like
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the perfect point to talk about this, because when I
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: said I'm not going to have a drink anymore, I said,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not drinking until we go on all day in August,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: which is tomorrow. So you sort of made it. But
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: after like three or four months of not doing it
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: and not drinking out having a drink either, I felt incredible,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: like totally different human being, and I would I genuinely
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: don't think I'm going to drink when I'm on holiday.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: If a fancy one, I'll have one as a well done,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: do you know what I mean?
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: But I'm going to chip in mates, don't do it. Yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. I mean, I'm I've just lived
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: through it. So I've just been away for a long
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: weekend with a family camping Cornwall. Now I remember a
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: time not that long ago in my life where I
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: went down there and mate, it's a bit different from me.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I've always relied heavily on alcohol just to I would
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: have said, to feel like me or whatever. But whatever
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: way you look at it, you're self medicating something, even
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: if it's boredom whatever. But so I'll be on the
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: car on the way down driving there. My mind wouldn't
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: be on like what a great time I'm going to
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: have with my family? Are we going to go surfing
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: or you know, do some snorkeling? Get it now? My
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: mind would be have we been past the co op
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: or tesco on the way to get enough booze in
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: for the whole weekend? Is there somewhere down Is there
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: somewhere down there? I can you know, if this booze
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: runs out, I can top up with something. I'm not
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: even talking about huge amounts of alcohol. It might just
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: be four or five beers in, you know, four beers
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: in the evening, not or maybe even a couple. But
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: what would happen then, mate, is in the morning I'd
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: wake up and immediately you've killed your buzz. You know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: you've got hangover. Don't matter if it's two beers, you've
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: got something of hangover, and that's lowered your vibration to
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: a place that where life becomes unpleasant. I mean you
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: poisoned yourself.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, effectively?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: And then what would happen then? In my case, I
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: would just start drinking again. So I just crack, you know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: and I can wake up at five or six o'clock.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm sat there in my sleeping bag at six
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: o'clock and I'm reaching for a rum and coke because
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: i don't want to feel like this, And then I'm
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: sort of yeah, I'm not just getting absolutely ship faced.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: But then then in the afternoon, it's all I'll have
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: another quick, you know. And what a foul mate is.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: My mind was just completely off my family and having
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: nice food and getting out with my son and doing
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: all these things that you should do as a dad,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: and instead I was focused on this very selfish behavior
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: that not only took my mind to a parallel universe
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: where I couldn't be present for them, but also it
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: just grew it. It pissed on all the activities, you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: and compare that to this weekend, were I gone down
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: there and it weren't even a factory. A few intrusive thoughts, Yeah, corner,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: you could be having a nice beer. A very hard
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: mate to walk along a beach and I'm looking like
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: this because I'm my mind is still want to see
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: who's drinking, you know, come across you know, one group
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: of people on the beach, they was fucking on it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Mate at ten in the morning, all having a weight
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: and you know, but that's the devil on your shoulder
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: in it telling you. It's not reminding you of those
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: times where you was, you know, depressed, anxious for thinking
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: what the fuck that all you're dye goes out the window.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: So we was mainly you know, I'm mainly eat vegetables
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: now if I've beaten vegetables only for six months now,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: and I know immediately if I get up with hangover,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: that's going out the fucking window. Mate, It's going to
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: be past you know, past e, give me a pizza,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: you know, all this abundance of carbohydrate and so so yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to say that, mate. And this weekend
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I was present, I was there. I was funny the
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: whole weekend, making stupid dad jokes the whole weekend. You know,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: my son spontaneously just coming up to me and putting
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: his arms around me and give me a kiss, you know,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: and it was just great mates. So I would think
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: all the time we tell ourselves it's a little celebration
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: and a little treat. I think we've got to spin
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that and say what what is it? What is it really?
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: And it's different for you. You you might have a different
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: sort of it might have a different effect. You maybe
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: can just have one beer and and that's great and
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: if you can. You know, I'm not it anyone. I'm
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: saying it's Richie because I know there'll be people listening that,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: like Chris, I get it, mate, exactly what you said?
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: That was me? And should I give up? And I'd say, yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I would, you know, I would. Life doesn't get worse
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: by giving up alcohol. Put it that way.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: No, No, nothing good comes from it. No, not really,
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: no different if if if me and you went the
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: pub now and add some food and had two beers,
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: it'd be no different than going the pub and not
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: having the two beers. Do you know what I mean?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, except that you have them two beers and
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning then you feel it, yeah,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: and then you wake up later because you're like, you
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: don't go for your morning run because you're feeling a
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: bit crap and yeah, yeah, okay, So what was your
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: epiot Did you have an epiphanal moment where where you
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: saw the light and thought, hang on, I'm doing this
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: for this reason. Let's put this reason to bed. And
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: then therefore stopped doing this behavior.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, completely, and was just like I care more?
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: What make you said to us? Just like you care
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: more about your family, business, everything and work that you're
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: building up, or do you care about that? Like which
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: one out way is it? He said, because you can
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: only have one because they're never going to work as
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: well as you can with one or the other involved,
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: So you need to pick one. And that was it.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: I just went right, I give it a go, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: it's just fucking worked.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that's really good. I'm sort of digging a
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: bit here, Richie, because for me, I really was even
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: though I didn't know it. I couldn't have told you
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: what childhood trauma was because no one fucking spoke about it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I had all this shit I've had to work out
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: for myself. Right back then, I really was trying to
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: self medicate a good life. I wanted to medicate myself
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: into living the life that I wanted. And yeah, did
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: you find this that you started to use, say coke
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Is like, I'll have that line, it will
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: make me feel better and then I'll get this done.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: I think it would just became normality. More than anything
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: I think I did it started it for the social aspects,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: and then became the dependent aspect, do you know what
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: I mean? And I think you just do that over time.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: I think it then becomes the norm to have it,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: when actually it's not normal. I think you can go
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: from having it socially. And don't get me wrong, Listen,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: people can go out and have a pint or a
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: fucking key of whatever it may be. I can't. I've
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: got massive of a fucking addictive personality. And I'm not
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: just like that with beer and that, but fucking pringles.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: You give me a packet of pringles, I'll eat the
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: whole box of them. You give me a packet of chocolate,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I'll sink a lot of it. You give me something
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: that interests me, like the video stuff and that I
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: will go to town on it. And I'm like that
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: with everything I do, absolutely everything, like it's always two
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: feet in with everything you're doing. And I think, but
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: it's also like that with Jim. If if you become
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: you know, if I get right, okay, I want to,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: I want to fucking really get fit now, I will
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: become obsessed with it. And I think when you're like
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: that and you've got an addictive personality. You need to be.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: You need to train yourself to be, to be addicted
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: to the right things and not the wrong things. But
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: it's very easy to fall into the wrong things.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, part of my So I've just showing I keep
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: looking over there, mate, because I'm showing some of your
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: media as we're talking, and some of your Instagram and stuff. Yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: What I found out the beauty of the when you
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: start to view life in terms of energy, vibration and frequency,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: what people call spirituality, but I think that just sounds
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: a bit naf is. It really makes you look inside
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: because all the answers are inside and when you find yourself,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: When you find yourself, you know, snaffling a whole pack
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: of chocolate chip cookies when most people would just take
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: one or two, it's like, hang on is putting on
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: this extra way and all this sugar causing the inflammation?
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Is Is that really what I want in life? And
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: that's where I find the medicactation should come in. Go away,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: just be quiet and just focus on all that. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: All that's good. Sorry, I'm doing a bullshit job of
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: describing this, but.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: No, no, I completely get what you mean because.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: So much of what we do is out of impulse.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: And I'm the same mate. You know, I can eat
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: the most beautiful meal highly all the nutritious stuff there,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: and then I'm like, oh, hang on, there's a bag
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: of chriss in the covered and then then there's a
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: chocolate bar and fuck it. Do you know what, I'm
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: still hungry. I love a pot noodle. And it's it's
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: these little mini addictions to the to the you know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: the glucose that's created by this that that I think. Yeah,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: like I say, spiritual battle, look always look inwards. What
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: what you're trying to self medicate? What?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: What?
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: What? What you trying to bury? You know?
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah mate, Okay, So Richie tell us in a bit
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: about when did you get into film?
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: So I used to race bikes and during one of
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: the rounds, my bike blew up and spacked me off.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: So I couldn't get the cut A long story short,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I couldn't get the engine me built for the next round.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: So I said to club ow and I said, listener says,
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sure my sister's got like a little camera. What
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: if what if I try and do like a bit
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: of a video for the club, Because nobody does anything
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: for it, like, and there's no marketing behind it or
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: anything like. We could probably get some more people in here.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: So we did that. I was on YouTube at the
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: fucking side of the track trying to work out to
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: work this camera and did the video, edited it, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I think what helped me a lot was I used
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: to make on Meow music. So the editing process and
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: you've editing to music, I found really really easy. But
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: I edited it, put it on YouTube. Within a week,
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: it got twenty two thousand plays on YouTube and it
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: had brought like five grand in entry fees, spectators you know,
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: and whatever else. So so the club owner was like, listen,
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I want you to do one of them for every
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: single round. I said, well, I want to around my bike.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: He says, well, if you film on the Saturday, I'll
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: pay for your racing and then you can do the
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: British Championships on the Sunday. So I was like, right, okay,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: no either. So we did that and just started making
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: these little highlights videos and within three four months I
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: was doing them for BSB World Superbikes went Navara in Spain.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Like I just completely fucking winged it, mate, Like, but
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: it was working and people wanted them, you know, British
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Mini Motor Championship, you know who, well, the British GT,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: like just everybody wanted these little highlights videos that we
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: were doing. So did that and then it just completely
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: spiraled out control, like completely spiral out of control, and
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: in a good way obviously, but yeah. Then covid hit
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: obviously racing, and I sawt of was like, oh well,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: I like doing these little videos. I wonder whether we
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: can do them for businesses and stuff. So sort of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: after Covid, I was like, right, you know, when I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: was going to businesses and was going, right, I'll tell
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: you what I do this, Let me come down or
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: do a free video, you know, to sort of promote
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: your business. I don't want anything for it. If it
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: works for you, you know, give me a shower and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: we'll talk prices. And it just went again, just rocketed
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: again doing that and got you know, loads of referrals
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and it just worked. And then
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: here we are today, still doing it, and I mean
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: that was what that was. September twenty twenty one. I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: did that first video and ever since, you know, we're
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: now making films. We've done fucking music videos with Dizzy Rascal,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: you know, massive events in fucking Poland, like done all sorts,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: like stuff that you'd never even dreamed of. We do
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: all like the behind the scenes store for Rise of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: the Foot Soldier films, like just all ship that I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: would never have thought. It was totally unplanned, is what
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to say. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: It was None of this was ever planned. And it's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: just funny because I've always tried to do that bit
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: more and like selling the suite pop, fucking trainers, doing this,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: doing that, starting fucking all sorts of weird and wonderful things,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: and nothing's ever worked on a permanent base. And then
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: the one that did work was the fucking one that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: was by accident.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Got you, mate, what was the link there to Rise
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: of the foot Soldier. Sorry, I was just.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so literally like we were saying. Then,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: when when I first started it, I was messaging businesses
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: and stuff, saying like, let me do your video for free,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: don't want anything for it, and we can you know,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: talk prices after that sort of thing. I did the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: same with the Rise of the Foot Soldier stuff, and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: it's funny because people always ask me how did you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: get that work? Literally, alls I did was send a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: message to Nick Nevin on Instagram and said, I'm a
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: diard fucking fan of your films. I would love to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: work with you. Let me come down. I'll do a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: free video advert or whatever you want me to do.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: And I don't want a penny for it. I just
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: love to do it. They're passionate about the films and stuff.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: I absolutely love them. What anything else doing? You know?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: We can talk prices and stuff like that. And he
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, brilliant, I'll take you up on that.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: We're doing a premiere or the remaster of the old
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: the first film. Would love for you to come like
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: and film it. And I was fucking blown away, like literally,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: just something that simple, just message him on Instagram and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: then we've worked together ever since, and I've just been
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: in the new film.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's just you know, people like you say, going
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: back to that like normality of what people think, Like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: people always say to me, how'd you get work? How'd
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: you get this? On the other like, just fucking message
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: fifty people on Instagram a day. Oh yeah, but that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: person and they've never messaged me back, well, how many
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: times have you messaged him?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: Well I haven't. But someone like that just wouldn't message
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: me back. I'm like, well, how the fuck do you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: know you've never tried? Like, do you know what I mean?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: A lot of people say nobody's willing to try it
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: to see if it does work.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I've had some great guests on the podcast.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: The World's Top Top Mountaineers was just off of Yeah,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: what's going to say? It's funny when the old Rise
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: of the Soldier, Because yes, they are very engaging films,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: extremely engaging to watch, especially the bit about anything to
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: do with coke and acosta deal soul and all that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff. It always triggers like the chavving me
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: that you know, thereby the grace of God's sort of thing.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Or But the funny thing is, though, essentially though it's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: a franchise built on the horrific slaughter of three young men.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm not like here to defend their nature or whatever,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I know that I know they weren't particularly
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: good boys. But what I mean is is it is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: a bit of a funny one, that, isn't it that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: their family have got to kind of live with the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: fact that someone's taking it upon themselves. I mean the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: first film, absolutely, it was a like a not a
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: docco film, that's not the right word, but it was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: a film that featured on a true event, the range
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Rover murders in Retenden, and yet to then bring out
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: ones that where you go, look, we're using these same
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: free lads that were murdered, and you know, all their characters.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: But this film it isn't really like half of its ficture. Yeah,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: have you thought, I'm not. I'm not trying to.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: This is not a criticism, rich, I's just an observation
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: that that that that seems a bit It's like if
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Chris Fall, you know, someone made a film about me
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: climbing Everest next month and then you know, heaven forbid
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: something happened to me. And then the next year they go, look,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: oh we met that film was so popular, we made
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: another one. We've revived his character and now he works
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: on the waltzes in a fairground. My family would be like,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: that's a bit fucking weird. Just so you guys, can
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: What you mean? I mean, I suppose it's it's filming it.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: It's like you say, you know, they're really really good
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: at what they do. Whether it should be called Riser
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: to Soldier after you know, after the first one. I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: always sit there and think, you know, because people always
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: do take the piss and go, oh, it's another one.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: It's another one. It's another one. It's another one. And
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: you know, if if it if you know, they're very
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: successful films, but if they called it some something else
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: and use the same people to do it, would it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: be different. I don't know.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Obviously not many, not so many people would watch it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: if it's yeah, it's just an interesting one, interesting one.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I'm really sort of a bit conscientious. Some would say
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: maybe too much, and I wouldn't you know, that's everyone's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: got a right to opinion.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, absolutely.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, okay, so your two films, can you just
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: tell us a bit about the Last or the Last
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Letter and crack On?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just give me two seconds. I'm just going to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: grab me charger, aren't we bag?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So Last Letter is the short film, crack On
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: is the feature film. The Last Letter we're doing as
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: a concept because I was going around and the crack
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: On idea has been about for a while now. But
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: as we all know, making films costs a lot of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: fucking money. So a lot of people are saying, well,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: how can I invest in something that you've never done before?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: Rightly so, so I said, okay, well let me go away.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: I'll make a short film as a concept to say,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: on a small scale, this is what we can do.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: I'm raising money to do this on a bigger scale,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: which is where the last letter came from. So we've
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: done that. There's a music video at the end of it.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: A friend of Mount Meghan Lee. She's wrote a song
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: for it which is incredible. So that's done. We need
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: to shoot the music video for the end and then
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: we're going to premiere that alongside the documentary on the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: eighth November in Wimslow. But we're doing that. The documentary
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: is sort of why I'm doing it. People that are involved,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: you know, other people that I've served with, other people
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: that are in the army, other people that have struggled,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: other people that have had stuff to do with X
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: forces and stuff like that, and just to say this
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: is what we're doing. I've got Terry Stone from riser Footsaal.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: He's hosting the night. It's going to be brilliant. It's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: going to be brilliant. And it's funny. I was on
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: the phone in the other day and he was like,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: nobody fucking does this, and I'm like, great, that is
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: exactly what I wanted to fucking hear.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ritchie, sorry, can you just outline nobody does what
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: an event?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: Everything?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: So I'm doing the event the premiere for the short
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: film and the documentary to raise money for the bigger film. Yea,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: And Terry was just like, nobody does this this way.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: You're like the first person to do something this way.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Like you're putting so much into this and this is
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: only the small thing. Yeah, this is this is this
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: is what it's about, and this is the way I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: want to do it, so you know, it's my way, Like, and.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: What are the themes of these two films? Can you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: tell us? Tell us?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously the last letter is a big suicide
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: awareness mental health sort of short film slash advert if
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: you like, and that is I suppose what crack On
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: is the feature film, but a longer version of that,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: and the reason being too many fucking exports to call
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: themselves and it's really fucking annoying me that nobody's talking
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: about it in the big mentions of you know, the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: drugs and alcohol bit, these big charities that people are
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: contacting and they're not helping people. You know, the smaller
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: independent charities are fucking making moves in terms of actually
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: helping people with fuck all money. You know, drugs and
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: alcoholic We just said then, you know, not being able
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: to fit in, fucking coming out angry and everything that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: you could hit when you leave, and just highlighting that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: because nobody else is highlighting it. And it's really fucking
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: annoying because somebody should be. And I can't believe, you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: I've been getting fucking messages from people, all sorts of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: people make saying, you know, make sure you don't get
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: your kids to answer the door, make sure you get
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: CCTV at home. They're all they'll all be watching. You know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: why do you think nobody's ever done this before. Nobody
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: can get away with doing something like this. You're going
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: against the you know, you're going against the fucking institution
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: sort of thing. You know, you need to be really careful.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, sound whatever.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Come around, mate, Well let's talk about that, because I'm
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: trying to do my bit. Yeah, I'm just flashing up
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: there for friends at home. I'm just showing you my
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: challenge Everest. So that's my gofund me page. What I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: want to do, Richie is in fact, you know, every
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: year I take on something of a mammoth challenge. So
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I ran across the Sahara, I run the length of
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: the United Kingdom, I road across the Atlantic in January,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to climb Everest in April.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: On real mate.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you've got to remember there was a
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: time in my life I was chronically addicted to drugs, yeah,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: and so mentally unwell that the doctors told my family
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: that I should probably go into an institution, you know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: a mental health faculty, and I probably would never come
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: out right. So ARM had to say, the veterans out
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: there who are struggling with your mental health, to press anxiety, drinking,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: substance misuse, self medicating, whatever we're going to call it,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: that hey, there's always light at the end of the tunnel.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: You've just got to rejig a few things in your
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: mind and boom, you too can live a legendary life.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: And I improved for that, right, but also along with
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: shin and a light for struggling veterans. I want to
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: use my platform. So I was on gb News the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: other day, didn't get didn't get as long to speak
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: on there as I thought I would, so I was
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: cut short a bit. But what I want to say, Richie,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: is why we've got this awful suicide situation that doesn't
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: take in account all the mental health in the veterans
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: community across the board, the homelessness, the substance abuse, the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: domestic violence, et cetera, et cetera, the you know, sofa
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: surfing et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, and nobody is making
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: the link between childhood trauma. Like you said yourself, you
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: went through parental divorce, highly traumatized an event for a
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: youngster to think that their parents are separate and they
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: might never even see one of them ever again. That's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: you know, this is this is like this is like
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Bambi level of childhood love, Bloody Jaws level of trauma.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that that that's that's what That's what I'm doing.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: I want to use my platform to say, hey, folks,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: there's a reason why people are coming out in the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: military and having an inability to cope with life. And
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: it's not it's not necessarily just linked to combat PTSD
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: because a lot of these fellas didn't even seem combat
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: or they add a relatively you know, I don't know
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: if enjoyable tour is the right expression, but despite despite
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: what happened to us in Northern Ireland, and there's quite
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of things going back, I'd still say phenomenally,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: I've thoroughly enjoyed it. And I even though we lost chat,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel damaged in any way, shape or form, Richie,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: do you know? Do you know what I mean? But
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: what I can tell you is the reason I lost
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: it subsequently was related to highly traumatic childer and stuff
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: that a toddler shouldn't have to go through.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no, of course mate.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: So yes, it'd be good if we could work together,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: wouldn't it, you know, come up and do something and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: simply having this chat. Now, how many people with the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: thousands of people are going to watch this who are
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: now going to be aware many of them that oh
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: what PTS is not just something on the battlefield. No
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: it's not. It's not just something military people get. It's
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: something that everybody out there that's been through a traumatic
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: childhood is experiencing the effects of now unless they've managed
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: to develop coping mechanisms. So yes, so hopefully with your
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: contacts you you might be able to get some you know,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: some big backers. Why is Terry Stone referred to as
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Terry Turbo.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: Because that's what his nickname was. So Terry used to
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: run a lot of raves and stuff in the nineties,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: so that was his nickname back then.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that I've heard that somewhere. He seems like a
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: really nice bloke.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: Really really nice bloat mate, really really really nice bloke,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: and he's responsible for some of the biggest fucking parties
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: in the UK back in the nineties. So he started
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: One Nation if I don't know you ever heard One Nation,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: but Terry who actually started One Nation? Wow, the big
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: drumming bass franchise that is today?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my gosh, and yeah he started doing them. Okay, right,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: So yes, mate, you've what's your sort of relationship with
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: all your friends and family? Now, are they proud of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: what you're doing?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: Amazing? Yeah, better than ever, better than ever, And that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: that would purely more so be down to stopping drinking
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: drugs obviously, doesn't matter what I'm doing work wise or
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: anything like that. That is purely down to not doing that anymore.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: The problem is, Richie, is clearly there was a reason,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: there was something driving you to adopt that behavior. The
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: same with me, but you have to go through it
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: to learn that it's not helpful.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: It's very hard for families to do that middle bit though,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: isn't it, Because they just see the destruction and the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: changes in character and all they want is for you
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: to stop. But if you don't stop in the right time,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: you're just going to go back and do it again
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: and you're not.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, mate, completely agree.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what advice have you got out there
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: for people that are struggling?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: Been off anyone that's bad for you? Straight away? Like,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: it's weird and it's the weirdest thing and the hardest
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: thing you'll ever do. But right down, this is what
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: I did. Write down all your friends, all your names
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: of all your friends, right, and what value they give
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: to your life, right? And what you do with them? Right?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: More importantly, what when you meet these friends, what do
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: you do? Do you go and go to the gym,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: do you go in excise or you know, do you
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: go the pub and sit sniffing fucking Charlie in someone's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: kitchen for hours on end and prioritize what you want.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: If you want more of sitting in the kitchen, then
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: sound stay with them or mentally it's not doing anything
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: for you. If you want, if your goal is to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: be mentally better, stop taking drugs, stop drinking, start exercising,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: and look at all the bad habbits that you're doing
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: and start creating good ones, and your life will within
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: the space of two three months. Your whole life, mindset,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: everything will change will change. But you need to get
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: rid of the people who are not insinuating, like feeding
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: that ship life that you've got, and find people who
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: want you to do better and not worse.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, or just flashing up dappers to Graham, Yeah, Daniel, O'Reilly,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: he's really I mean he epitomizes to me that person
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: that was in the kitchen sniffing all hours, Yeah yeah,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: and who then recognized that the whole grip it had
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: on his whole persona and his hope behavior and how
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: that crossed over into his professional professional life.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: And who went unreliable. If you're sitting in kitchens, most
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: nights doing that. You are not a reliable person. It's
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: a fact. No matter how good you think you are
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: coping with it and dealing with it and how you
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: function on it, you are not a reliable person. You
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: are constantly letting people down in one way or another,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: and you are completely lying to yourself if you think
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: that you're functioning at one hundred percent or even fifty
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: percent while you're either off you I don't want to come.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Down, Yeah, absolutely, but.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: You think you do at the time, you think you are,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: and you you think, yeah, I'm fucking god, I'm fucking
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: missed that and the other and I can do anything,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: and that's not affecting the way I'm behaving or the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: way I am or my mood. It fucking is it
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: fucking is.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: It's also that the money you're spending on what could
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: be as little as five nights out certainly ten. Yeah,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: you could have a six month backpack through South America.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: I could have bought a few hours is by now like.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what I mean? Our backprack back
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: I went backpacking for a year, backpack through every single
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: country in North central South America, Australia, New Zealand, lash shit.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: I've been to lots of places now and the thing is,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: eighteen months traveling, my average budget was five quid a day.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: That's all it costs me. Right, I know this was
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: like twenty years ago. It'd be it'd be a little
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: bit more now, but not what people think. Well, you know, Bolivia,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: you can get a hotel room for seventy five p.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: That's mental.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: You can get a free course meal for seventy five p.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: You might have to sort of lower your standards a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: bit or not lowest, you know, change your paradigm a bit. Yeah,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: but yeah I did. I did my first sky first
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: ever skydive on that part of the first part of
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: the aff course and they did advance, got my advanced
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: scuba diving certificate. So it wasn't like I went went
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: missed out on anything. It was brilliant. Lived on Desert
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: Island for for a month just scuba diving. It was amazing.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: So yes, to all our young people out there, listen up,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: do it. Have some fun. But you know, youve got
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: to just got to know when to move on, haven't you.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely, yeah, So uh that's that. What would you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: say to people that want to get into film.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: Don't go to UNI, go on YouTube. It's all there,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: readily available. Every bit of information that you need is
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: on YouTube. You don't have to do a course, you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: don't have to learn from anyone. You're all literally everything
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: is there on YouTube, absolutely everything, And if you really
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: want to do it with YouTube you will learn really
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: really fast.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's good, good advice. On the subjected advice, what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: what's the best bit of advice you'd say you've ever
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: been given?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: What you don't change, you choose what.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: You don't change.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: We choose you too, Yes. Yeah. If I know loads
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: of people who will constantly moan about the same things
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: all the time, but they haven't done anything to change it,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: so they're choosing it. If you're a job you're in
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: a job that really makes you unhappy. Have you applied
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: for anywhere else? Yeah? No, If you haven't, you're choosing
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: to stay there no matter how much you're moaning. Now,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: which I hate it. If you're not doing anything to
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: guard of it, you're changing it. If you're addicted to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: fucking substances or drink and you're not actively trying to
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: get help to stop it, you're choosing it. And it's
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: like that with everything everything. If someone's making you unhappy
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: or something that's bothering you and you're not doing anything
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: to try and get out of it, you're choosing that life,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: not anyone else. It's nobody else's fault, it's yours.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Just going back to Afghanistan then, so you issued your
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: your AMMO. Yeah, I would imagine you know, well, I
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: mean it's not like being on the range, is it
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: where they say empty your pockets afterwards and handing all
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: your you know, all your live rounds that you've not spent. Yeah, well,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: how does that work?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: What if you you know, what if you decide to
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: blaugh you over there because you might have might not
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: seen the Taliban popping his head up, and do you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: have to sort of go back to your troop sergeant
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: and explain what that was about or how does it work?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: I mean I never come across that, and nobody who
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: we were with did, But I mean it's all Geneva
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: convention in it. Yeah, it is what you're governed by,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: so rightly or wrongly in a lot of situations, you
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: know dickers and that in afghan you couldn't do anything
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: to them even though you knew what exactly what they
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: were doing because they went olding a weapon and the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: old radio instead, you couldn't engage them, even though you
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: knew exactly what they were doing and they knew that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: you couldn't do anything. So yeah, you have you had
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: to follow that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: What about after a firefight, then I'm guessing you go
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: back you have a debrief, Yeah you are.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah you have. You know, you have your
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: debrief in your re or sort of thing. But a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: lot of the time, you know, we were we did
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: all all the apps in poor persign. So you're still
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: on the ground, do you know what I mean? And
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: until you get back to wherever your fother is, you
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: then debriefed. Is everyone all right? Yeah? Sound crack on, go,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: go for lunch sort of things, you know what I mean?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Would you just go and draw more ammunition if you've
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: spent some Yeah.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just just just just replan back
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: at the phone.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: What about did you have any bad casual ease or fatalities?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: Not with us, not we diet in our regiment, but
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: not with our company, not with our with our company.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, got ya, got yeah, Richie, listen, brother could
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: chat for ages. It's been a great chat. Thanks for
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: going all around the houses with me.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: You're just absolutely really appreciate it. Time.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: No, not a problem obviously going to put all your
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: socials your oh YouTube, let's let's just have a chat
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: about that, because you put quite a lot into your podcast,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: haven't you. It looks quite a class production.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and like like it was just another avenue
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: like it. You know, we've got all the gear, we've
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: got all the stuff. I know a lot of interesting people,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: so why not start a podcast? Business podcasts, but you
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: need all these interesting people as well. And I just yeah,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: I enjoy doing them. I enjoy doing them.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, How many have you done now?
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I've not actually done that many because cousin,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: I'm so busy with work and stuff. It's sort of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: as and when I can do them. I've got a
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: few lined up for when I get back off holiday.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: But but yeah, nothing, I don't really I don't push
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: it as as such as much as I probably should,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: but but no, I do. I really really enjoy them,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: and I want to do more. It's just finding the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: time with everything else that's going on.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you had original human on Yeah, Yeah, Luke, Yeah,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Luke and I we we sort of started on YouTube
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: round about the same time.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luke actually moved into our old office.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Oh really yeah yeah, because he's in crew, so he
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: we were neighbors. That's how we met.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: It was that for his mushroom drink business. Yeah yeah, yeah, Sorry, Luke,
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  Speaker 3: if you ever get to watch this, I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: the name of your drink.
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  Speaker 4: Well morale, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Morale, Well done, mate, well done. Yeah, so friends watching.
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  Speaker 3: Luke was a marine like myself. He used to sort
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: of do a lot of military stuff in the day
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  Speaker 3: and then he went off and did more gaming, and
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  Speaker 3: he just I remember we were all like even Stevens, me, him,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of other former marines. We're all sort of
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  Speaker 3: even Stevens on subs on YouTube. And I woke up
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  Speaker 3: one day and Luke had gone up ten thousand overnight,
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  Speaker 3: ten thousand based on one call of duty reaction video
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  Speaker 3: he did, and then by the end of the week
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: he was up to one hundred, like one hundred thousand subscribers.
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  Speaker 4: I can't get fucking three thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because I used to I've never been
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: like army barmye. I've always said to people you join
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  Speaker 3: the military, please don't think you're doing it for freedom
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  Speaker 3: and democracy. That's like literally that's not helpful, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But on the other hand, if you come from a
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  Speaker 3: background like mine, I wouldn't stop you. You know, I
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: get I get it, But I think when the whole
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: scam scam, I don't call it the C word or
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: the other you know, when they played that medical scam
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  Speaker 3: on us and I saw like how gutless the military
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: were not protecting its people and just going along with
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: that and sticking stuff into their personnel that was just
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: fucking criminal and evil. Then I was like, you can't
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  Speaker 3: pretend there's anything. Yeah, I just didn't. I just you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'll always be proud of being a Marine, and I'll
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: always support the lads, and I'll always certainly as you
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  Speaker 3: can see, support our veterans Richie. But like it just
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: showed you the true side of the military is you're
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: an order follower. That's it. You're just an order follower
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: if you can you know, that's what Nuremberg was all about.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: And that's probably not a good example. Some people understand
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, but you know, I came what I'm
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: trying to say is I came away from that. Then
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: I started to try and do more enlightening content and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: content and have chats with people like yourself that you
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: can get in the kind of weeds. Luke went away
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: traveling for a while and then came back and managed
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: to get like half a million subscribers. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: all right, brother, great chat. Stay up, Richie. Just down
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  Speaker 3: the line so I can hit record and then thank
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  Speaker 3: you properly obviously, but all links below. Friends at home,
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• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: thank you to everyone that supported me to shine a
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: light for struggling veterans by climbing Mount Everest in April
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  Speaker 3: and also highlight this link between childhood trauma and PTSD.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: That and certainly the suicide thing that nobody's nobody's talking about.
• 1:28:01
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