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Everyone’s Looking At Me… Or Are They? | Episode 453 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
• 0:05
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• 0:34
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• 0:45
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• 2:09
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• 2:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for being with us today.
• 2:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Stairs.
• 2:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we're not talking about the stairs where uh you know you you got you walk up the stairs or down the stairs.
• 2:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm talking about the stairs where wherever we may be people stare.
• 2:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People stare, people stare, people, people, people watch.
• 3:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There we go.
• 3:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um I remember, oh gosh, my grandpa uh on my dad's side.
• 3:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um I don't I don't know that he did it to uh people watch, maybe he did, and I never had I never had an opportunity to to ask him, but I I remember uh sometimes uh going to the mall back you know when the malls and the inside to the malls kind of a thing to do.
• 3:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I was w really young, really young, and maybe it would be a snow day, maybe it would be a holiday, I don't know.
• 3:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And my mom would say something like uh, hey, we're gonna head to the mall.
• 3:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Didn't mean we're gonna buy something at the mall, just meant that we're gonna go to the mall.
• 3:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And she mentioned that we may be uh we may run into my grandpa uh that he he may be sitting on one of the benches and my grandma going from store to store, I guess, you know, doing her her thing, uh shopping, and and and so I don't know if it was for the people watch or you just wanted to re relax and and uh and yeah, just just relax.
• 4:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and so that's what got me started to think it was a long time ago that this happened, um, and then I just recently uh was reminded of stares and staring that uh it may even be one of the medications I'm taking.
• 5:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't I don't know.
• 5:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's so there's so many advertisements.
• 5:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, whether no matter what type of TV, streaming platform, yeah, there's so many ads, and I think it might have been one of those to kind of really put those two things together of the staring, uh not that my grandpa was staring, but that he would be people watching.
• 5:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, he would be sitting on one of the benches waiting for my grandma, you know, to do her thing, go store to store, and um, and and so then when she was done, then then my grandma and grandpa they they left.
• 5:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh that was just a a thing to do.
• 5:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And um and so that got me thinking of like, oh, okay, uh is there anything that might relate a little bit?
• 5:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that was when I mean things just happened for a reason.
• 6:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um let me tell you, everybody uh didn't didn't have this episode planned a long time ago.
• 6:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and and when it came together, it was kind of like, oh wow, yeah, this makes complete sense.
• 6:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So some people sit, the people watch.
• 6:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I I know from different travels, you know, you can eat inside, you can eat outside, and not only eating outside for you know the weather, you know, the weather is nice, yeah.
• 6:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's nice to you know, maybe sit out, sit outside and you know, have a meal or a dessert or what have you.
• 6:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the other part is uh depending on where it's at, there's people watching because people are watching, people are walking by one way or another, and and so as you you sit and you're having a conversation, you know, we're you know, our our our eyes, you know, sometimes are look into one way or the other.
• 7:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh and so there's people watching.
• 7:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so in a way that could be considered staring, uh but I'm predominantly talking about in this particular episode about the staring, no matter where it's at, whether it's at a mall, a cafe, a restaurant, uh no matter where it's at, it could be at school, um, it could be at an event, it could be at a concert, it could be anywhere, you know, people watching and staring.
• 7:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it could be, I don't know, that there's probably a million or ten million different reasons why somebody would look over or you know, make eye contact with somebody to make it feel like they were being stared, stared at.
• 8:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um of course, Halloween and and different uh different holidays, it would make it makes a little sense that you know there would be staring of like, oh look at look at this person, they're dressed as a doctor.
• 8:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't I don't know, uh it could be dressed as what any anything.
• 8:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and and so it could be looked at, right?
• 8:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And like stared, like, oh my gosh, you see that person, what what they're dressed as.
• 8:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we might not we're not we may not be thinking of it as like that we're that we're staring, but it could be considered potentially staring.
• 9:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So why am I bringing this up?
• 9:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Why am I taking 10 minutes to get into this?
• 9:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The reason is mental health-wise, one of the things that when I when I came out of hospital in 2017, I had so many different things going through my head, right?
• 9:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I got I got therapy, I got medications, I gotta learn to eat again.
• 9:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, I got all these things that I I'm I'm doing and trying to do.
• 9:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I remember one of the things is I would keep asking my family, do I look okay?
• 9:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Are you just saying that I look fine?
• 9:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, because remember, a lot of the mental health is inside our mind.
• 10:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so that's what was going on in my head.
• 10:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In my head, I I was so concerned that like, oh, you're just saying that because you're my family member, uh friend, and and and so I felt like I was being stared at.
• 10:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And maybe I was, maybe I wasn't.
• 10:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I thought I was.
• 10:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I thought I was being stared at.
• 10:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so when we we bring it to kind of current state when we have mental illnesses, or when I have with my mental illnesses, that's one of the parts that I don't say I continue to strugg struggle with.
• 10:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but it's it's something that definitely rears its head from time to time, that you know, p why are why are people looking at me?
• 11:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Why are they why are they staring at me?
• 11:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, they might not be staring at me.
• 11:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I might just be walking by a particular area and they just happen to be there.
• 11:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, it's like you're at a theme park, you know, maybe somebody's having lunch and you're waiting in line, and you sit down, and then you just have a feeling that somebody, you know, people are just staring at you or staring at me.
• 11:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that's one of the it's one of those feelings where it doesn't feel very good.
• 11:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It feels again like people are just staring.
• 11:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like, oh my gosh, do I look okay?
• 12:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, am I dressed like appropriately?
• 12:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, what is there is there something?
• 12:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And maybe for me, it's a carryover from when I was growing up and I had you know acne really bad all over my face.
• 12:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so, of course, during those periods of time, which took forever, it seems I felt like people were staring at me, and and I I would think a lot of them were classmates, teachers, others.
• 12:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I think having that thought in my mind, in my head, it just carried carried over to when staring came evident recently in what one of the commercials or shows I was I was watching and it really really uh I it really connected with the staring because I've I've I've felt that way for a better part of my life.
• 13:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, being out in public, being I'll give a good example, golfing.
• 13:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not a great golfer, I like to to golf from time to time, and when uh if you haven't golfed, uh you know, usually you know one person, usually there's groups of two or four.
• 13:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So let's start there.
• 13:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So usually there's groups of two or four.
• 13:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So person one hits the first ball, then person two hits their first ball.
• 14:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then they go around and find, okay, here's where the person won, they're gonna hit their ball again, person two is gonna hit their ball again, and so there is gonna be some waiting, I guess is the way to put it.
• 14:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so like when person one is getting ready to hit that ball, person two is gonna be, you know, looking looking at them, watching them.
• 14:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, you know, if they're driving a cart, a golf cart, uh, they're not gonna want to drive it when the person, other person's hitting the ball, because it could interfere.
• 14:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Anyways, that's an easy example of somebody being stared at and it not being a bad thing.
• 14:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like they're just waiting until the person hits the ball, and then it it's their turn, and then person one watches person two, and then it kind of goes on and on, and that's where like a lot of anxiety uh comes from for me, is during those times of oh my gosh, like, and especially like if in a group of four, you know, so you have three other people, not just one, that is you know, watching and staring, or what is perceived to be staring.
• 15:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, they might not be staring in a negative way, they might just be watching, they might be watching which uh which club you hit.
• 15:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, they might be looking at uh how tall the grass is.
• 15:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um they may be looking at how many how many yards, what or what's the distance from where their ball is in relation to um you know where the flag is and then the hole, and that's the goal is to get the least amount of strokes um playing.
• 16:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there can be a host of things, and and I know that's what I've done, and a lot of times, you know, I'm not exactly watching the other person hit.
• 16:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes I am, sometimes I'm looking at where my ball's at, how again, how what's the distance between my ball and the hole?
• 16:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and then I might be looking through my clubs and going, okay, so I can hit this one 100 yards, I can hit this one 80 yards, and and I I have 90 yards to hit to the hole.
• 16:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there's all kinds of things that it may look like people are staring, and kind of like presentations.
• 16:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh that definitely is is one of the areas where people think others are staring at them.
• 17:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because if I'm in front of 50 people or 20 people or 10,000 and I have a microphone, or I don't, I'm just in front of them talking, it definitely feels like I'm being stared stare uh stared at.
• 17:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it can be a very a lonely time because it feels, you know, in that case, you know, giving presentations or just talking about my life experiences.
• 17:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People are just watching or listening.
• 17:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They might be going, oh, look at his shoes, uh, they don't match, or look at his shirt.
• 17:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I wonder where he got that shirt at.
• 18:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I wonder where I can get one at.
• 18:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I wonder where I can get that hat.
• 18:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Those types of things, as opposed to, oh my gosh, look at that person up there.
• 18:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and that's what the most interesting part is.
• 18:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: One of the most interesting parts about me is that I am number one, I'm an introvert.
• 18:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I'm mostly I keep things in.
• 18:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh number two, I like and don't mind speaking in front of larger groups, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for an introvert.
• 18:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But the reason why, or one of the reasons why, that I've come to this conclusion through therapy, through just learning and living, is the more I the more I know about what I'm trying to talk about.
• 19:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Obviously practicing helps.
• 19:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Having notes helps.
• 19:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but if you don't use notes and you can still do it.
• 19:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can still present, you can still talk about a topic, about a time when you felt a certain way, when you felt like somebody was staring at you and it was very uncomfortable, and it made me think like, oh my gosh, they know that I have depression, or they know that I have anxiety, or they know I have low spectrum autism.
• 19:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so those areas are where I was getting to with this episode is oh my gosh, they they can tell.
• 20:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's people can tell that I have you know major depression or that uh that I have anxiety or ADD or ADHD or acute anxiety, uh, which means there's certain points where the anxiety just kind of overcomes.
• 20:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I just practice.
• 20:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's the best the best way I know is I've had so much practice teaching over ten years with thousands of students uh entire schools, you know, two hundred students at different events, doing doing things that are very uncomfortable But uh that's at the start, but once I start talking then it it feels to me like I get calmer, I guess, is what I'm saying.
• 21:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So uh you know the build-up is like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, everybody's watching me, they're staring at me, they know that I have depression, they know I'm uh you know I have anxiety, and yeah, they're all staring at me, and uh I don't know what to do, and and then next thing I know I'm I'm talking about different different topics, different parts of my life, different experiences, different events.
• 21:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then it's kinda like a calm comes over where once I start It just becomes easy for me.
• 22:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or easier, not easy, because nothing is a hundred percent easy.
• 22:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I guess I that's the message I wanna I want to share in this particular episode is I know it's so hard not to it's so hard to not worry about people staring or looking and thinking, oh, they know that I'm what that you know I have some mental illness or mental challenge, or maybe I have a maybe I lost uh a limb in a war, uh, or maybe I'm unable to see uh these types of things I don't I don't really consider them disabilities.
• 23:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think they're extra abilities because it takes a ton of strength to live day to day.
• 23:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we talk about second to second, minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day, week to week, month to month, year to year, whatever.
• 23:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we can go through that whole whole cycle.
• 23:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it doesn't matter.
• 23:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I'm blessed to have two arms, two legs, ten toes, ten fingers, two eyes, um, you know, teeth, uh a nose, ears, and so I know I take things for for granted, but all that being said, is it doesn't matter who we are, where we're from, it can feel at any time like people are staring at us, and it can make us extra anxious.
• 24:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, I still get like butterflies or whatever the word is, I still get anxious again at the beginning of the whole lead up, you know, the drive over to the event, or if I'm flying, or wherever.
• 24:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And all that's like, oh my gosh, what if I forget this story or you know, this part, or that part, and then when it's like, oh my gosh, all these people are looking at me, they're staring at me.
• 24:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, and most of them may just be like listening and just taking in the room, and they may be looking at somebody else.
• 24:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I don't know.
• 24:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so the more we can again just try to quiet that part of our mind, like, so what if they're looking at me?
• 25:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Big deal.
• 25:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I get it, it is a big deal.
• 25:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's it is a big deal, I get it.
• 25:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not saying it's not a big deal.
• 25:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It is a big deal, for sure.
• 25:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But we can maybe quiet some of that background doubting, doubting of ourselves, or going, okay, so they're staring at me, big deal.
• 25:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean there's been so many times where I've had speaking engagements and classes, and where I felt like I was gonna pass out.
• 26:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm I'm getting dizzy and I'm getting weak.
• 26:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm I I'm I think I'm gonna pass out.
• 26:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't even want to know the number of times that that's happened to me.
• 26:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's happened a ton.
• 26:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I didn't just show up today and and and just share this information.
• 26:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've gone through it, and I'm still going through it.
• 26:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's still times where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so nervous, I'm so nervous.
• 26:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Look at them, they're all looking at me, and I gotta do the best that I can.
• 26:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm trying trying to do the best I can, and I hope they like, you know, what what uh my uh my story or or their the experiences it still happens, it it doesn't get old.
• 27:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I'll I'll end on this.
• 27:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Number one, try not to worry, try not to let those thoughts come in.
• 27:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just focus on what you're focusing on.
• 27:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you need no cards, you need notes, take them.
• 27:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Who cares what people think?
• 27:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Who cares?
• 27:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Take notes.
• 27:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If it's gonna help you, if you're on a podcast, have notes.
• 27:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't care.
• 27:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I would rather you have notes and make sure you get it everything covered that you want to than for you to forget.
• 27:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So have notes.
• 27:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So the last thing I'll share for this this particular episode is I was interviewing, and I've shared this before, but it's very uh it's very important, and it is very close to what we're talking about about being nervous and staring and and all these things.
• 28:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So one of the interviews on our TV show and podcast, our voices for voices, TV show on podcast.
• 28:35
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• 28:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But one of our previous episodes, one of our previous over 452 episodes, I believe, at this point, uh, was with Tyrus.
• 28:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And Tyrus is a former wrestler.
• 29:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, he's a he's a commentator on a TV TV channel.
• 29:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And he also does he does comedy, and he's a best seller, best selling author.
• 29:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so during our interview, I asked him something about uh like about do you get nervous like you know when the lights are on when they're doing their show?
• 29:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because they have a there's a live studio audience.
• 29:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um there's let's see, one, two, three.
• 29:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So including the host, there's there's four other individuals uh that are that are on on the show with him.
• 29:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so right, the show starts, you know, with some intro music, and then the host introduces the the the guest.
• 30:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and then they start the show.
• 30:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I said, you know, how do you get nervous or and and he goes, oh yeah, every time.
• 30:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and I think he mentioned something about that's one of the misunderstood things, is he's like, oh yeah, he goes, every show I get nervous, like when the lights are on and the cameras are rolling, and knowing that millions of people are watching his show, the show he's on, uh, because that's the truth.
• 30:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He's on a nationally uh national uh news station, and there's millions of people that tune in.
• 30:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so when he told me, he goes, Oh yeah, I get nervous all the time, every show.
• 31:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and he mentioned how if you don't get nervous, you need to find something else to do.
• 31:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it really kind of struck me because I'm like, well, that's kind of that's that's a different way of looking at things.
• 31:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He goes, I get nervous, and he's a he's a big dude, like muscles, like and so for him to say, yeah, I get nervous every time you know the camera starts rolling, and and then when it comes to me, so he's on a uh uh like a late night show, and and he and so they'll have conversations and they'll get introduced and they'll have conversations and they kind of like each take their turn, and so he has different things that he wants to talk about, and he gets nervous, and it's and he's like, Yeah, people think that you know, because whatever, like I'm a muscular person that you know that I don't have feelings and and that, and again, don't quote me on that if you you go back um to that episode.
• 32:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but when he said he he gets nervous, it kind of struck me.
• 32:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He goes, Yeah, like if you're not nervous, you know, before or even during, like, find something else to do.
• 32:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He goes, That's how you grow is by doing things like that.
• 32:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're doing new things, and uh, you know, you're just getting better.
• 32:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's practice.
• 32:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so over the years, he's had as he's had a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of practice.
• 32:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I haven't had as much practice as he is, he has had, but I've had a lot of practice in general.
• 33:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that's all I can say is like whether it's being on a podcast, whether it's speaking in front of people, whether it's uh being at the mall or at a restaurant, and uh sitting next to a table and people, and you know, they they're it feels feels like they keep looking over at you.
• 33:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I know it's easy for me to say, but I still go through it.
• 33:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but try not to worry.
• 33:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's more important things in in life.
• 33:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So don't worry.
• 33:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just don't don't worry.
• 33:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just focus on what you you're gonna talk about, what you're gonna say.
• 33:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it it'll get so ingrained in your mind.
• 33:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it'll get so ingrained in your mind that what then you're not gonna worry about it.
• 34:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we've uh we've hit the end of our show here today.
• 34:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just want to say thank you for joining us.
• 34:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's celebrate the voices and all of us, and let's be a voice for ourselves and someone else in need.
• 34:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This has been Justin Alan Hayes with Voices for Voices, and we will see you on another episode.
• 34:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye for now.