Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 918: Foundations - Summer Deer Scouting Mistakes Nearly All Whitetail Hunters Make
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- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
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- 0:24Speaker 3: I'm your host, Tony.
- 0:25Speaker 2: Peterson, and today's episode is all about summer scouting and
- 0:29Speaker 2: the mistakes we almost all make.
- 0:34Speaker 3: This is an easy one for me.
- 0:36Speaker 2: I love summer scouting, and I'm acutely aware of the
- 0:39Speaker 2: ways in which I've messed it up over the years.
- 0:41Speaker 2: There are a couple of different ways to summer scout.
- 0:43Speaker 2: I'm going to cover them all along with sort of
- 0:46Speaker 2: the typical pitfalls that come with each. Plus I might
- 0:49Speaker 2: dive into a few more issues we create for ourselves
- 0:51Speaker 2: with this crucial time of year and our deer strategy.
- 0:55Speaker 2: So buckle up, because it's time to talk white tails.
- 1:03Speaker 2: There is often a disconnect between what we think something
- 1:06Speaker 2: is and then what it actually is. We like linear
- 1:10Speaker 2: connections in our brains because we just don't have the
- 1:13Speaker 2: mental horsepower to consider the nuance of everything all the time.
- 1:17Speaker 2: When it comes to summer scouting, it used to go
- 1:19Speaker 2: like this, Load up a day pack with a spot
- 1:21Speaker 2: or in a tripod, spray down with some mosquito repellent,
- 1:25Speaker 2: and then go post up somewhere to watch a hayfield
- 1:27Speaker 2: or a beanfield or.
- 1:28Speaker 3: Some other food source.
- 1:29Speaker 2: Watch a bachelor group come out of the cover, make
- 1:32Speaker 2: note where they feed, set up there, kill them in
- 1:35Speaker 2: a month or two. Easy peasy, right Quite Today summer
- 1:41Speaker 2: scouting goes more like this. Load up a couple of
- 1:44Speaker 2: trail cameras, deploy them in the usual hotspots, build that
- 1:48Speaker 2: hit list from the comfort of an air conditioned house,
- 1:51Speaker 2: and then go kill them sometime this fall. There are
- 1:54Speaker 2: a lot of ways in which we screw up summer scouting,
- 1:56Speaker 2: and I want to get into that, you know, the
- 1:58Speaker 2: nitty gritty of the whole thing. But first off, there
- 2:01Speaker 2: is the question of frequency and intention and efficacy of
- 2:06Speaker 2: summer scouting. When it comes to the last one, a
- 2:09Speaker 2: lot of hunters focus much of their actual hunting efforts
- 2:12Speaker 2: on the pre rut and the rut, and so there's
- 2:15Speaker 2: this disconnect between July bucks and the November bucks. We're
- 2:18Speaker 2: hunting that keeps them from going, you know, too deep
- 2:21Speaker 2: in summer scouting, and why not if you live in
- 2:24Speaker 2: Iowa and you have a sweet property to bohunt all
- 2:26Speaker 2: of November, you don't really need to go scout bachelor
- 2:29Speaker 2: groups in July only to watch the early October open
- 2:32Speaker 2: or come and go and then get ready to hunt
- 2:34Speaker 2: when things start getting a little feisty.
- 2:35Speaker 3: In the woods.
- 2:36Speaker 2: Pretty easy for a lot of us in a lot
- 2:38Speaker 2: of states to look at the opening dates of our
- 2:40Speaker 2: deer seasons and not be able to make a strong
- 2:43Speaker 2: connection to summer scouting and the likelihood that it'll have
- 2:47Speaker 2: us tagged out in the first few days of the season.
- 2:50Speaker 2: Couple that with the fact that you know, most of
- 2:52Speaker 2: us expect hot, buggy weather for our openers, and it's
- 2:55Speaker 2: easy to phone it in summer scouting wise. But how
- 2:58Speaker 2: effective some are scouting can be is up to us,
- 3:02Speaker 2: and it's very easy to believe it won't work that well.
- 3:04Speaker 2: And when we believe that, we don't want to put
- 3:07Speaker 2: in any effort. It's kind of like if you know
- 3:09Speaker 2: you'll never get a raise at work, no matter how
- 3:11Speaker 2: many extra projects you could tackle or overtime hours you
- 3:14Speaker 2: could put in if the precedent is set that you're
- 3:18Speaker 2: worth x amount of money to the C suite team,
- 3:20Speaker 2: you'd be a sucker to suddenly put in a ton
- 3:22Speaker 2: of extra effort on top of your normal duties. Now,
- 3:26Speaker 2: with deer, we sort of look at this as a
- 3:28Speaker 2: transactional thing in a similar matter, but also with deer,
- 3:32Speaker 2: it's often just the difference between how we perceive the
- 3:35Speaker 2: benefits of summer scouting. For example, I'm really bad at maths,
- 3:40Speaker 2: but here is an equation that might work. When you
- 3:42Speaker 2: take frequency and intention of summer scouting and increase them,
- 3:48Speaker 2: how effective it'll be well skyrocket or at least point
- 3:52Speaker 2: up into the right. On the frequency front. There's a
- 3:56Speaker 2: balance to be struck. Too little and you won't learn
- 3:59Speaker 2: anything actionable, or you'll only learn a tiny bit that
- 4:02Speaker 2: you need to know, which won't influence your actions the
- 4:05Speaker 2: right way, or could give you a false read on
- 4:08Speaker 2: the deer situation. Too much, which almost no one does,
- 4:12Speaker 2: and you can put the deer off long before you
- 4:14Speaker 2: get a chance to hunt them. Now, while most hunters
- 4:17Speaker 2: aren't in danger of summer scouting too much, it can
- 4:20Speaker 2: be done, and I know that because I've done it
- 4:22Speaker 2: many times. I'm not in danger of this now because
- 4:25Speaker 2: where I live, in my general life schedule, but there
- 4:29Speaker 2: were quite a few years of my life where if
- 4:31Speaker 2: I found a bachelor group somewhere that I could hunt,
- 4:33Speaker 2: I couldn't not go watch them. It's like an addiction, which,
- 4:38Speaker 2: if you know me, makes a hell of a lot
- 4:40Speaker 2: of sense. But those relaxed, easy to find bachelor groups
- 4:43Speaker 2: are only relaxed and easy to find if they don't
- 4:46Speaker 2: know they are constantly being monitored by one of their
- 4:49Speaker 2: scariest predators. And by that I don't mean me specifically,
- 4:53Speaker 2: by the way, but humans in general, the presence of
- 4:57Speaker 2: us in their world is tolerable to some extent, but
- 5:01Speaker 2: when you cross that line, it gets a hell of
- 5:03Speaker 2: a lot tougher. Most people won't cross that line, but
- 5:07Speaker 2: that's also highly dependent on how much pressure the deer
- 5:09Speaker 2: get where you hunt, and how small of a property
- 5:11Speaker 2: you're working with. On a twenty five acre parcel, it
- 5:15Speaker 2: doesn't take too much to do some damage with your
- 5:17Speaker 2: summer scouting, just like with your hunting frequency in the fall. Now,
- 5:22Speaker 2: if you have two hundred and fifty or twenty five
- 5:24Speaker 2: hundred acres to work with, that's different. If your deer
- 5:27Speaker 2: only get hunted by you, then their tolerance level will
- 5:30Speaker 2: be higher than if you're on public land and they
- 5:32Speaker 2: get hunted by you and a revolving cast of other people.
- 5:36Speaker 2: We almost all know this on a fundamental level, which
- 5:39Speaker 2: is one of the reasons trail cameras have become so popular.
- 5:42Speaker 2: But they've also become popular because they are fun, relatively effective,
- 5:46Speaker 2: and while a hell of a lot easier than any
- 5:48Speaker 2: other form of scouting, they literally do the scouting for
- 5:52Speaker 2: us all day long, for months, without us having to
- 5:55Speaker 2: do anything more than look at our phonees or walk
- 5:57Speaker 2: into the woods to swap out an SD card. There's
- 6:00Speaker 2: a thing about that. If you have a shitload of
- 6:02Speaker 2: cameras out and can saturate the woods, you can learn
- 6:05Speaker 2: an awful lot about your deer. That's the shotgun approach
- 6:08Speaker 2: that some hunters take, but that's mostly hunters who have
- 6:11Speaker 2: a lot of land to work with and not a
- 6:13Speaker 2: lot of competition, because those hunters also generally have some
- 6:16Speaker 2: money to work with. If you don't have that option,
- 6:19Speaker 2: a targeted approach to trail cameras is a better idea,
- 6:22Speaker 2: especially if you use them to complement a glassing strategy
- 6:25Speaker 2: or a boots on the ground strategy. This is where
- 6:28Speaker 2: one of the biggest mistakes comes into play. We use
- 6:31Speaker 2: one tool in the kit mostly always, but not all
- 6:35Speaker 2: of them more evenly, but all of them together are
- 6:38Speaker 2: what gives us the best intel.
- 6:40Speaker 3: Think about it this way.
- 6:42Speaker 2: If you want to catch a limit of walleyes this
- 6:43Speaker 2: summer on whatever lake or river you live by, will
- 6:47Speaker 2: you go out with only slip bobbers and a couple
- 6:49Speaker 2: scoops of fat head minnows? You could, and you could
- 6:51Speaker 2: catch walleyes in that setup in a hell of a
- 6:54Speaker 2: lot of lakes and rivers all summer long. Fish eat
- 6:57Speaker 2: fish and minnows are always on the menu. But what
- 6:59Speaker 2: if there's a fish fly hatch going on and the
- 7:01Speaker 2: walleyes are thinking about a very seasonally limited food source,
- 7:05Speaker 2: or the crayfish are molting so they are nice and
- 7:07Speaker 2: soft and good to eat. What if the walleyes are
- 7:10Speaker 2: eating minnows like crazy, but instead of hanging around a
- 7:13Speaker 2: couple of big bowlders and fifteen feet of water off
- 7:15Speaker 2: at some point, they are cruising the shallows, weaving in
- 7:18Speaker 2: and out of cabbage and other mergent vegetation. It's snacking
- 7:22Speaker 2: on balls of shiners. A slow approach like a slipbubber
- 7:26Speaker 2: set up just may not cut it.
- 7:28Speaker 3: Most people wouldn't limit.
- 7:29Speaker 2: Themselves super tightly to one sole presentation in one bait
- 7:32Speaker 2: when they want a fish fry for the fourth of July,
- 7:35Speaker 2: and that just makes sense. And when it comes to
- 7:37Speaker 2: deer scouting, we are often very content to limit our
- 7:41Speaker 2: options and then we just deal with the results later.
- 7:45Speaker 2: I think this is where the intention part of summer
- 7:47Speaker 2: scouting comes into play. What are you actually trying to
- 7:50Speaker 2: learn with your efforts? If it's nothing more than some
- 7:53Speaker 2: big bucks are around, and then they might be there
- 7:56Speaker 2: again during the rut, that's one thing, But the rut
- 7:59Speaker 2: isn't so easy. And who wants to miss out on
- 8:01Speaker 2: the early season hunting on the off chance that things
- 8:03Speaker 2: will come together later? Also, and I say this because
- 8:07Speaker 2: I believe it. If you want to become a better
- 8:09Speaker 2: hunter and kill more big bucks, you can't ignore the
- 8:12Speaker 2: early season. I don't care if that means the September
- 8:15Speaker 2: one opener where you live or a mid October opener
- 8:18Speaker 2: where you live. There's no denying the simple advantage of
- 8:21Speaker 2: deer not having been hunted for several months. I don't
- 8:35Speaker 2: care where you live. The dumbest deer in the woods
- 8:39Speaker 2: often aren't the ones that we want to find during
- 8:41Speaker 2: the rut. They're the ones that we can find in
- 8:43Speaker 2: the first week of our season. Now, I know a
- 8:46Speaker 2: lot of folks will disagree with me on that, but
- 8:48Speaker 2: I also know that a lot of folks think that's
- 8:50Speaker 2: true about the rut, and they still don't kill mature
- 8:52Speaker 2: bucks done. And it's also undoubtedly true that a lot
- 8:55Speaker 2: of hunters put way more effort into their rut hunts
- 8:58Speaker 2: than the first week or so the season, So there
- 9:00Speaker 2: is some sampling bias there. I know this varies a
- 9:04Speaker 2: lot by hunters and individual situations, but I believe it
- 9:08Speaker 2: would be way easier for most of us to kill
- 9:10Speaker 2: mature bucks if we put rout effort into the first
- 9:12Speaker 2: week of the season, especially if that effort comes on
- 9:15Speaker 2: the heels of proper summer scouting. Now here's another way
- 9:18Speaker 2: to look at this stuff. The more you learn about
- 9:21Speaker 2: all deer, the more you can predict where they'll be
- 9:24Speaker 2: when you can hunt them. So you think that the
- 9:26Speaker 2: bachelor group in July and what those deer do doesn't
- 9:29Speaker 2: relate to October hunts, for example, But what if you
- 9:32Speaker 2: glass those bucks from a safe distance during a heat
- 9:34Speaker 2: wave and then during cold fronts throughout the summer. You'll
- 9:38Speaker 2: learn a thing or two about where they enter the
- 9:40Speaker 2: food during different conditions and can make an educated guess
- 9:44Speaker 2: on where they might be betting, or at least how they
- 9:46Speaker 2: travel through the cover. You can drop a few cameras
- 9:49Speaker 2: in the woods to check your work on specific trails,
- 9:52Speaker 2: which is a great idea and can help you put
- 9:56Speaker 2: many of the pieces together. But you say, so what,
- 10:00Speaker 2: it's all change once they go hard antlerd and the
- 10:02Speaker 2: hunting pressure hits. That's not true, at least not entirely,
- 10:06Speaker 2: and this is where a lot of people make their
- 10:08Speaker 2: biggest mistakes on summer scouting. You're not going to get
- 10:11Speaker 2: all the answers on deer no matter what you do.
- 10:14Speaker 2: You could glass every night for three months and run
- 10:16Speaker 2: fifty trail cameras and you'd still have an incomplete view
- 10:20Speaker 2: of what bucks are doing on your property. But that's
- 10:23Speaker 2: not a reason to not scout. It's a reason too scout.
- 10:27Speaker 2: You're looking for an edge on predicting deer movement in September,
- 10:30Speaker 2: October and November, whenever you can hunt until at least
- 10:34Speaker 2: you'd consider the late season anyway, you want to be
- 10:37Speaker 2: able to make an educated guess on where they're going
- 10:39Speaker 2: to be. And on that note, I'll say this. If
- 10:42Speaker 2: you do glass, that's great. If you run some cameras,
- 10:46Speaker 2: that's great. But also you need to just get out
- 10:49Speaker 2: there and look around. Nothing beats boots on the ground
- 10:53Speaker 2: because it puts you where the deer actually walk and
- 10:55Speaker 2: lets you take in the entirety of the situation. It's
- 10:59Speaker 2: a reality check and it's the most thorough method of
- 11:01Speaker 2: recon you can make. Now, let me frame this up
- 11:04Speaker 2: the best way I can by telling you a not
- 11:06Speaker 2: so secret secret about myself. I am a second guessing machine, literally,
- 11:12Speaker 2: a self doubt filled fool. When I walk a field
- 11:17Speaker 2: edge looking for a spot to hang a stand, I
- 11:19Speaker 2: will look at one hundred and twelve different trees and
- 11:21Speaker 2: consider them all, and I'll fret over every single trail
- 11:25Speaker 2: that comes in the field, and I'll consider natural blinds
- 11:28Speaker 2: for every wind direction. But I don't get to run
- 11:31Speaker 2: through all of those options. When it's September fifteenth and
- 11:33Speaker 2: the season is just oping up. I have to pick
- 11:36Speaker 2: one and put my faith in it. That's a hard
- 11:38Speaker 2: test for me. I need information to make that decision.
- 11:42Speaker 2: So I have to consider my access in my wind direction.
- 11:45Speaker 2: I have to consider what my trail cameras have shown me,
- 11:47Speaker 2: and when my glassing has shown me. I have to
- 11:49Speaker 2: ponder the tracks on the edge of the field, you know,
- 11:52Speaker 2: and the ones leading into and out of the bedding
- 11:54Speaker 2: or staging cover. I have to make a decision with
- 11:58Speaker 2: as much info as possible to try to maximize my
- 12:01Speaker 2: chances of an encounter that day. Now, the reason I'm
- 12:05Speaker 2: so neurotic about the choice is because the consequences of
- 12:09Speaker 2: getting it wrong mean the next time I have to
- 12:12Speaker 2: make that choice it'll be some order of magnitude more difficult.
- 12:16Speaker 2: Most likely, my presence in that carefully scouted spot is
- 12:20Speaker 2: not going to make the deer more comfortable. So there's
- 12:23Speaker 2: something at stake now. I don't want this to be
- 12:27Speaker 2: like overly dramatic, because we are talking about hunting rabbits
- 12:30Speaker 2: with antlers here. It's not that important. But to me
- 12:33Speaker 2: in some ways, and to you too, it kind of is.
- 12:35Speaker 2: More information is always better, as long as you know
- 12:37Speaker 2: how to make it coalesce into a confidence based plan.
- 12:41Speaker 2: This was really hammered home to me when I started
- 12:44Speaker 2: taking my daughter's deer hunting. You know, they're a limited
- 12:46Speaker 2: amount of time in the field, and their limited experience
- 12:49Speaker 2: being in the woods and in close proximity to white
- 12:52Speaker 2: tails meant that the odds of something going wrong, or
- 12:55Speaker 2: at least not enough going.
- 12:57Speaker 3: Right, they were pretty high.
- 13:00Speaker 2: It helps that my daughters want to shoot any deer,
- 13:02Speaker 2: which opens the aperture up quite a bit, at least
- 13:04Speaker 2: more than what a lot of.
- 13:05Speaker 3: Us are looking for.
- 13:06Speaker 2: But it was still a good lesson on how to
- 13:08Speaker 2: approach this stuff throughout the summer. Scouting for them mattered.
- 13:12Speaker 2: It was important to me. I had to get it right,
- 13:15Speaker 2: so it made me think about the little things. But
- 13:17Speaker 2: it also made me scout whenever I could. And this
- 13:19Speaker 2: is the last thing I really want to touch on.
- 13:22Speaker 2: In fact, I just wrote a piece about this for
- 13:23Speaker 2: the Meat Eater dot com, but I think it's worth
- 13:25Speaker 2: saying here too. The best way to summer scout is
- 13:28Speaker 2: to think about the conditions and how they relate to
- 13:30Speaker 2: your findings.
- 13:31Speaker 3: This is kind of hard to do.
- 13:32Speaker 2: With trail cameras, you know, because we get a pick
- 13:34Speaker 2: on our phone and think it's cool. You know, there's
- 13:36Speaker 2: a nice buck whatever, But we aren't out there to
- 13:38Speaker 2: realize that the reason he walked by right then was
- 13:42Speaker 2: because the wind switched to the southeast, or the mosquitoes
- 13:45Speaker 2: got so bad that he decided to switch bedding areas
- 13:48Speaker 2: to some grassy swale on a hilltop that catches some
- 13:51Speaker 2: wind and probably isn't nearly as full of biting and
- 13:53Speaker 2: buzzing insects as the wooded valley. That's more like a jungle.
- 13:58Speaker 2: When we glass, we look at the forecast and we think, well, shoot,
- 14:02Speaker 2: it's going to be nice and cool tonight for the
- 14:03Speaker 2: first time in a week, so I'll grab the spotter
- 14:06Speaker 2: and head out to watch the soybeans. That's great. But
- 14:09Speaker 2: what if it's not nice and cool on opening weekend?
- 14:11Speaker 2: But if it's eighty degrees and the sun is blazing away,
- 14:14Speaker 2: will the buck movement be the same then as it
- 14:17Speaker 2: was a month earlier with vastly different conditions. Probably not.
- 14:21Speaker 2: What about if it's raining a little bit, What if
- 14:23Speaker 2: it's prefrontal post frontel, What if it's the fifth day
- 14:26Speaker 2: of a heat wave. What if you got a north
- 14:28Speaker 2: wind or a south wind, whatever. The difference between scouting
- 14:32Speaker 2: for fun and scouting with intention is literally between our ears.
- 14:36Speaker 3: On a lot of this stuff.
- 14:38Speaker 2: So not only just taking notes on when and why
- 14:41Speaker 2: and what was going on when you saw the big
- 14:43Speaker 2: one or you know you got the pick of him
- 14:45Speaker 2: or found that monster set of tracks on the logging
- 14:47Speaker 2: road leading to the pasture with the pond in it,
- 14:49Speaker 2: but also putting yourself out there when you know the
- 14:52Speaker 2: weather is going to be something other than perfect. This
- 14:55Speaker 2: is the last thing, and it's honestly one of my
- 14:58Speaker 2: favorite things. I love glassing. When it's raining in the
- 15:01Speaker 2: summer and when it's just dead calm and a billion degrees,
- 15:04Speaker 2: I know that weather is going to position deer in
- 15:06Speaker 2: certain ways, and they'll show me something actionable when it
- 15:10Speaker 2: gets a little uncomfortable out there. That stuff matters because
- 15:14Speaker 2: you can't pick the weather on the days you can
- 15:16Speaker 2: hunt usually, and if you can hunt during.
- 15:19Speaker 3: The season, then you should now.
- 15:21Speaker 2: I also know that scouting to intentionally learn something in
- 15:24Speaker 2: the summer often gives me something to use later in
- 15:27Speaker 2: the season if I strike out on my early season plan,
- 15:30Speaker 2: which happens a lot. The buck you see approach a
- 15:34Speaker 2: pond a certain way in the middle of summer, he
- 15:36Speaker 2: might approach that pond in the exact same way in
- 15:38Speaker 2: the end October when he started chasing a little bit
- 15:41Speaker 2: and spar and he's just a little bit thirsty. Or
- 15:43Speaker 2: that island of cover between the fields that only does
- 15:46Speaker 2: seem to bed in during the summer. They might also
- 15:49Speaker 2: bed the in the fall, and you know who might
- 15:51Speaker 2: swing in on the downwind side descent check it, or
- 15:54Speaker 2: maybe cut straight through it like the deer you watched
- 15:57Speaker 2: in August as they browsed around whatever it is. The
- 16:01Speaker 2: more you think about what you see, or what your
- 16:04Speaker 2: trail cameras show you, or the fresh tracks or the
- 16:06Speaker 2: freshly browsed plants tell you, the more you understand what
- 16:10Speaker 2: deer do generally, which means you can parse some of
- 16:13Speaker 2: the info out and use it for specific sits. The
- 16:18Speaker 2: key is to scout enough with as many tools as
- 16:21Speaker 2: you can, and to do it with some level of
- 16:23Speaker 2: the intention and a frequency that matters. So think about
- 16:28Speaker 2: that and think about coming back next week, because I'm
- 16:30Speaker 2: going to talk about the hard and fast rules of
- 16:32Speaker 2: deer hunting and why they are mostly bs. That's it
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