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Anonymous MLB Player Poll reax · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anybody who looks quite like Sale,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that difference. You know, we heard that
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  Speaker 1: like there's just nobody who looks like him out there,
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  Speaker 1: combined with the nasty stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so part of the theme of today's show is
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  Speaker 2: reacting to the player poll that was put out in
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  Speaker 2: the Athletic There are a number of categories, so we'll
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  Speaker 2: try and get to some of them, and then we'll
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  Speaker 2: also have a guest on to talk more about it.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just do the manager side for this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys see this? Did you see this? Or
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  Speaker 2: do you want me to quiz you?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that. I saw a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know the manager that you haven't seen it?
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  Speaker 2: The manager that players most want to play for.
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  Speaker 3: Is do they most want to play for?
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  Speaker 2: M hm?
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  Speaker 4: It's got to be like Dave Roberts or aj Hinch,
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  Speaker 4: one of those two.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Cash, Oh, no vote.
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  Speaker 2: He was in the top three though, Tito's too.
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  Speaker 3: Steven vote.
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  Speaker 2: When I say this one, you'll go, oh yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: that tracks big big resume. Oh Bruce Bochi Rangers, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's won a ton he.
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  Speaker 4: Treats his players good fame, handle every situation. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: makes it. Boach is fun to be around. A wait,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about it and the dog. I never
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  Speaker 4: played for him, but I'm talking off the field. He's
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  Speaker 4: a fun guy, right.
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  Speaker 3: Ye. Thanks, I appreciate your saying that. Just really plus
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  Speaker 3: it rained.
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  Speaker 4: Plus if it rains, he could take his hat off
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  Speaker 4: and put it over the whole city and it stays
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  Speaker 4: dry when we're dry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The great quote that I found from that portion was
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  Speaker 2: a player. Because it's all anonymous, right, they talked to
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  Speaker 2: one hundred plus players. A player on Tito, he commands
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  Speaker 2: a room almost like a friend. He's still an authoritative figure,
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  Speaker 2: but I would say he's more like a young grandpa.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was just a fun life.
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  Speaker 5: I would know he's a grandpa, but I would say
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  Speaker 5: he's more like an uncle. I would say he's more
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  Speaker 5: like an uncle. But spring training with Terry Francona is
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  Speaker 5: worth all six weeks of spring training. He has a
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  Speaker 5: slogan team that gambles together, wins together, and like there's
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  Speaker 5: like you'd play games in spring training, like sometimes they
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  Speaker 5: like fifty dollars for the first one off the field,
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  Speaker 5: like he has an MVP of every game, every spring
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  Speaker 5: training game that you win, he's got an MVP. Sometimes
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  Speaker 5: they can't, the coaches can't agree, and they'll split. They'll
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  Speaker 5: split the one hundred dollars, but you get a hundred
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  Speaker 5: dollars if you win MVP. Like a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: are very engaged in Terry Francona's spring training.
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  Speaker 2: Fun.
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  Speaker 3: Anything to break up spring training.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now I'll go to the other side of this, which,
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  Speaker 2: no surprise, received a lot of na as in they
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  Speaker 2: didn't vote, but they tried to get players to say
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  Speaker 2: the top manager they wouldn't want to play for. Patrickfall
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  Speaker 2: not eligible. Although you know who was on this list.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't read into how that happened. But Kapler cracked
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  Speaker 2: the list.
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  Speaker 3: He's not even.
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  Speaker 2: In a minute. I'll just read you. There were only
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  Speaker 2: forty players that chose to respond out of the one
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  Speaker 2: hundred plus. They respond to almost everything else. Most of
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  Speaker 2: them are just like, I'm not going there. And in fairness,
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  Speaker 2: I started reading some of the quotes, like Ali Marmole
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  Speaker 2: was tied with Bud Black for the top and one
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  Speaker 2: of the players who voted for him said this direct quote,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know many managers. I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 2: of someone in our division just so I can say
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  Speaker 2: someone who is the Cardinals guy. Yeah, just put him down.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, clearly don't know Allie because all
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  Speaker 4: he's very nice and right.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. I the votes are so low.
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  Speaker 4: This is my favorite one, Ron Washington, because I want
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  Speaker 4: to use my cell phone. Yes, that's the best one.
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  Speaker 3: But the quote because I want to use my cell
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  Speaker 3: phone so good.
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  Speaker 5: I think we're done. I think the game. I think
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  Speaker 5: the game's done with having managers that are not player centric.
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  Speaker 5: Now you're gonna have You're gonna have managers that guys
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  Speaker 5: will be like, dude, that's a bad that guy is
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  Speaker 5: a backstabber, which happens. There's some managers that are like
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  Speaker 5: they'll do anything to hold on. They'll have a death
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  Speaker 5: grip on their job. But I think front offices have
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  Speaker 5: stopped bringing guys in that don't connect in some way
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  Speaker 5: with the players.
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  Speaker 3: Most front offices. Somebody screwed one up a few years ago, but.
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  Speaker 2: True one listen.
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  Speaker 3: I played with some managers.
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  Speaker 4: I played for some managers that would do anything they
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  Speaker 4: could to make the media happy.
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  Speaker 3: After the game.
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  Speaker 4: Like their moves, we're predicated on the answers. They'd have
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  Speaker 4: to answer after the question, and then then they would
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  Speaker 4: like crowds.
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  Speaker 3: They get you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know managers now who use the media
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  Speaker 2: to talk to their players.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, but that's fine, as long as that's fine
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  Speaker 4: they're listen. I played for Rozzie Gehan for seven years.
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  Speaker 4: You think Ozzie Gan didn't use the media to get
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  Speaker 4: messages across the people.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you did it every day. Of course he did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean I remember I had a combo
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  Speaker 2: with the current manager who was like, I know there
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  Speaker 2: are some players who I can chat with, but then
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  Speaker 2: if I say something to the media, they will see
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  Speaker 2: it on their phone in five seconds and it will
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  Speaker 2: resonate more from their phone than it will for me,
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  Speaker 2: Which is kind of sad about society if there's somebody
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  Speaker 2: who can't listen to a face to face conversation, but
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  Speaker 2: they'll see it in their phone. I wanted to get
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  Speaker 2: this quote in there so someone did have a whole
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  Speaker 2: personal beat with Bud Black in here they go, because
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't stop talking when he's in the dugout, and
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  Speaker 2: as a player, it gets kind of annoying. Plus it
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  Speaker 2: means I'd be pitching in Colorado, so obviously there were
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other things involved.
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  Speaker 4: But I just Hurdle to me when I when he
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  Speaker 4: was the manager on whatever team he was on, it
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  Speaker 4: was just yelling all the time from their dug like.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, like shush, like shush, I can hear you. You're
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  Speaker 3: you're you're managing bad team after bad team. Dude, shush.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's why.
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  Speaker 3: You played for Hurdle, didn't you? Crowdzy?
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  Speaker 4: Was he always just yelling? I just always felt like
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  Speaker 4: maybe it's because he just has that voice. It's just
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  Speaker 4: really loud, and I just heard it a lot, but
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  Speaker 4: it just always seemed like he was screaming something.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, he's got a loud voice.
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  Speaker 2: Crats look like he wants the same way like this
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  Speaker 2: does the role with that, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean a loud voice. He has a loud voice.
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  Speaker 5: I'll stop it at that. He has a loud voice.
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  Speaker 2: We'll show two hours a day and that's all we got.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we got, man, Listen, listen. I worked with
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  Speaker 4: Joe Girardi and I told him I'm like, dude, when
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  Speaker 4: you were at the Yankees. All I heard was you
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  Speaker 4: yelling from the dug out. There was literally one time
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  Speaker 4: I looked at Joe and I go, can you just
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  Speaker 4: shut up? From the field. I'm like, can you just
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  Speaker 4: stop talking? He's like does it bother you? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: it's just get annoying as hell. Can you just stop?
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  Speaker 4: And he's like, well, then it's working. I'm like, stop,
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  Speaker 4: then it's working. I'm like, stop, yo, please, because you
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  Speaker 4: had him and Tony pain and it was like, I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, just gamesmanship.
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  Speaker 5: I guess the Cardinals. The Cardinals were the worst at that.
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  Speaker 5: The Cardinals, Mike Methane, Cardinals, Tony LaRussa Cardinals. Mark McGuire
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  Speaker 5: was a hitting coach. They would anytime you'd throw up
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  Speaker 5: and in close, especially as a young pitcher coming up
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  Speaker 5: with the Pirates, like any of those young pitchers would
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  Speaker 5: throw anywhere, up and in. Even with the Phillies they
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  Speaker 5: do the same thing. Knock it off, like they like,
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  Speaker 5: come on, like, we're all adults. Even the dudes are
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  Speaker 5: like twenty three, twenty four years old.
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  Speaker 3: We're adults. You don't need to try to intimidate people
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  Speaker 3: from the dugout.
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  Speaker 5: Like you're not you're not you're in the game. You're
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  Speaker 5: not part of the game, like relax.
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  Speaker 2: It's gamesmanship, and then they're trying to get you to
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  Speaker 2: not pitch inside anyway. Fun Poll will do a lot
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  Speaker 2: more with this, including Tyler Kapner from The Athletic who
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  Speaker 2: is involved in putting this together. We'll talk to him
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  Speaker 2: Kaepner joining us right now from the Athletic and you
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  Speaker 2: put the player pole together with his colleagues. So, Tyler,
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  Speaker 2: how do you think it went overall the player Pole? Like,
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  Speaker 2: how are the responses and what stood out to you?
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  Speaker 2: And then I'll dive into a few parts that I
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  Speaker 2: want to quiz you on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was fun. I mean, most guys I
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  Speaker 1: approached were pretty cool about it, just wanting to hit
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  Speaker 1: their opinions. Heard a few questions guys didn't really have
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  Speaker 1: much opinion on or know much about. But the gambling
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  Speaker 1: question really stood out to me. That was like the
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  Speaker 1: one that really opened my eyes. I didn't I did
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  Speaker 1: not realize how much that conversation is a part of
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  Speaker 1: their daily the daily noise that they have to kind
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  Speaker 1: of tune.
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  Speaker 2: Out there was an other one that stood out to me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, do they like the automatic ball strike
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  Speaker 2: system or they don't? And I'll actually ask this before
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  Speaker 2: we dive into this part. Do you wish that you
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  Speaker 2: had done a secondary level of this to quiz them
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  Speaker 2: on the challenge system specifically? You know, I read that
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  Speaker 2: part of it, and I'll pull up the numbers as
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  Speaker 2: we're chatting here, But there were not many that said
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  Speaker 2: I am in favor of robo'mps. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: seventeen percent and more than half of the group. I
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  Speaker 2: think sixty three percent was against it. But that was
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  Speaker 2: calling every pitch? Am I accurate on that one? Versus
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  Speaker 2: just a challenge system? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the way I was phrasing it was just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: any kind of any kind of non human umpire system,
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  Speaker 1: you know, So whether that was the challenge system where
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  Speaker 1: you tap your helmet or the the all all strike
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  Speaker 1: zone thing, that's what I was That's what I was asking.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think there's there's a movement to have
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  Speaker 1: every pitch be called balls and strikes. I remember when
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  Speaker 1: that was going on in the minor leagues. I went
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  Speaker 1: down there to the Independent league and did a story,
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  Speaker 1: But that was several years ago. Now they're fear and
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  Speaker 1: more towards the challenge system. But it seems like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of players don't even like that.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you get any more context from them on
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  Speaker 2: why they wouldn't want at least the big calls to
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  Speaker 2: get fixed. I know, I saw some of the quoto
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  Speaker 2: human element, and you'll kill the game if you don't
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  Speaker 2: have that. Oh are they on social media enough? Most
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  Speaker 2: fans lose their minds on bad calls. We want to
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  Speaker 2: go on every borderline call and have twenty challenges. No,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily, I don't, but I mean I would you know,
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  Speaker 2: you watch games every night like we do. Most games
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  Speaker 2: have I would say at least three to five moments
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  Speaker 2: where you're like, damn, he missed, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think, well, I mean, you guys are catchers, you
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  Speaker 1: could you could speak to it well like that. I
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  Speaker 1: think some players talked about that catcher higher dynamic, that
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  Speaker 1: relationship that that a catcher has with an umpire to
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  Speaker 1: be able to get certain calls, the art of catching
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  Speaker 1: and I hate the word framing, but you know, receiving
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  Speaker 1: that that would be diminished. I mean, I think it
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  Speaker 1: would still be a part of it because you're not
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  Speaker 1: challenging every single call. But I think there you know,
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  Speaker 1: we heard some stuff about that. We heard that the
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  Speaker 1: technology is not that the guys saw at minor leagues
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  Speaker 1: if they were rehabbing or planning down there, that it's
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  Speaker 1: it's not where it needs to be. Like there's the
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  Speaker 1: strike zone felt incredibly small to a bunch of guys
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  Speaker 1: down there. So, you know, surprising calls even within a
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  Speaker 1: system that's supposed to be perfect. I think they have
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  Speaker 1: no time for that.
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  Speaker 5: But who but you know, are they are they just
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  Speaker 5: are they skeptical so they don't want it yet or
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  Speaker 5: is it something that they're like, I don't ever want it?
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  Speaker 5: Or did you not get any kind of reaction in
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  Speaker 5: that in that sense?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if it could be better, some guys
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  Speaker 1: would be more open to it. But you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's kind of a natural hesitation or a natural skepticism
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  Speaker 1: to something that that the league can impose on them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like I mean they I know, they have
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  Speaker 1: influence and input and everything, but when it comes down
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  Speaker 1: to it, Manford can can just put this thing through
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  Speaker 1: and they'll have to deal with it. And it worked
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  Speaker 1: out with the pitch clock I think that was a
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  Speaker 1: terrific addition. But I think there's understandably, you know, an
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  Speaker 1: element of our god. You know, they're going to impose
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  Speaker 1: this on us. We were not really gonna gonna embrace it.
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  Speaker 1: But eventually it'll it'll probably turn out to be second nature.
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  Speaker 3: Tyler. Let's go to something a little more cheery, shall we.
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  Speaker 4: Depending on what side of the ball you're on, what
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  Speaker 4: was more intriguing to you the answer to who you
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  Speaker 4: would have won up in game seven of a World series?
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  Speaker 4: Or who guys said they didn't want to face in
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  Speaker 4: game seven of a World series.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I had to I had to
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  Speaker 1: frame that differently when I was asking, because if you ask,
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  Speaker 1: I found inevitably if you asked the player, like who
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  Speaker 1: would you least like to face, you know, they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I I could take on anyone, you know
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  Speaker 1: I I they didn't want to sort of frame it
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  Speaker 1: that way. But if I framed it like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: who's the most challenging at bat or who's the most
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  Speaker 1: challenging guy to face? If you sort of frame it
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  Speaker 1: more like a challenge, then then they were fine. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it's just the just the wording of it
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  Speaker 1: in the guys, I asked. But yeah, I mean some
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  Speaker 1: of them talked about, you know, the big time closer
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  Speaker 1: or all this Chapman kind of or Josh Hater type,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, other guys it was sort of someone
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  Speaker 1: who causes them trouble in particular. But you know, you
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of predictable Otani kind of responses. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's always good because sometimes you'll hear ones that
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  Speaker 1: guys just can't hit a certain dude and it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I can't touch that guy. So but yeah, that's always
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  Speaker 1: that's always interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Were there any questions that kind of overlapped that you're like,
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  Speaker 5: wait a minute, everybody said, I don't want to face
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  Speaker 5: this hitter in game seven, or I love watching this player,
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  Speaker 5: but then he's not on the you know hitter that
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  Speaker 5: I that I least, you know, want to face the least, Like,
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  Speaker 5: is there any overlaps where you're like, you guys are
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  Speaker 5: kind of contradicting yourselves with some of these answers.
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  Speaker 1: You mean, like someone that they really like to watch
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  Speaker 1: but also don't want to come up in the big
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  Speaker 1: spot exactly. Yeah, Well, I guess sometimes like you're a
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  Speaker 1: pitcher though, like if you might like to watch this guy,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't want to face them, right like that,
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  Speaker 1: that's understandable, like if you don't. Everybody loves Otani and
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  Speaker 1: meyers Otani, but like they don't necessarily want to see
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  Speaker 1: him up there. And as you see, you know, Soto's
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  Speaker 1: a good at bat. I think most of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: with during spring training. If you did it now, I
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  Speaker 1: think Judge would probably be a little bit higher, but
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  Speaker 1: Sodo is just such a tough at back because of
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  Speaker 1: his eye at the plate. You know, you can see
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  Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez. The switch hitter element of it is, you
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  Speaker 1: know that that's one that I thought would maybe be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit higher. But he's probably the best switch
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  Speaker 1: hitter in the game. No Lindor on there in the
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  Speaker 1: top three is another switch hitter is pretty good. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but SODA's gonna win that when I think, just because
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: of the selectivity. And he's hot now by the way.
• 16:06
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• 16:09
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• 16:22
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• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little surprising. I mean, I think
• 16:31
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• 16:33
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• 16:36
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• 16:39
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• 16:42
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• 16:46
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• 16:49
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  Speaker 1: you know, and Sale it's just so tall and angular
• 17:02
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• 17:05
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• 17:08
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• 17:13
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• 17:15
  Speaker 1: know if there's anybody who looks quite like Sale. And
• 17:17
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• 17:20
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• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Most overrated player a question that you were no.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: And it should have been.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: That's like which one was going to.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Ask you, because it's it's been taken like viscerally like
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: overrated and people were like, oh my gosh, how is
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: this guy overrated? It's just like it's the player's opinion
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: because other years like that's that always always raises good debates.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I'm glad you said that, Eric, because
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest that again next year, like I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: had some we all kind of put in our questions
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: for what we wanted and the somehow that didn't make
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the cut. But that's a good one, and I'd like
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to see where that lands next year because you never know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I if it's just like overrated means like overhyped,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that's I guess usually what it means to players. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you know that that you'd you'd find some interesting things
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and then you get the guy who takes that personally
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and tries to you know, use that as fuel.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Right, Yep, that one's good. Yeah, I'm a big fan
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: of that one, just to see where players are at.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's who the most hated player is now because
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not playing anymore, so they can't say me now
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: that also needs to be in there.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: How many times did you win that is? Is that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a lot?
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Actually I didn't win it every year because a Rod
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: won it and Bryce.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: So actually, as I got older, I went down the list.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I was burry wanted at one point, but I was like, gosh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I'm losing I was losing my touch.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I need I need to really do
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: something here in my old age.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: People have come to appreciate you by then, and they
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: were used to it. So they they they got what
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: they could.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: They were jaded, they were jaded by it's hard to beat.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Hard to beat some of those guys though, in that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: in that in that category that you mentioned.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: So it's you know, want a couple of times something
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: to be proud of, Tyler, and I want a couple
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of times to be proud of.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Got to be known for something, right, Hey, you did
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: do beloved and hated organizations. So I'll take a few
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: quotes that stood out. The Dodgers and Yankees and Braves
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: obviously were at the top, and the teams you would
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: expect were towards the bottom, the A's, the Rockies, the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: White Sox, the Marlins, the Pirates, the Braves, Cubs, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Guardians got love after the Dodgers and Yankees. The Mets
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: aren't on this list for our top or bottom, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I thought the quote was good from one of the players.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The best family room in the league by far is
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the Mets. There was someone on the Braves saying they
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: do everything just as good as the Yankees, and then
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: a couple that stood out on the other side. None
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of these are really a surprise. One player pointing out
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: how the player development system for Colorado isn't good, like
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: they don't give them a lot of information. Shocker. One
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: player pointing out how the Marlins are given subway sandwiches
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to their guys on the road, so come on your
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: thoughts from collecting there.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they was notable that Cleveland ranked as
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: high as it did, especially because this year. I think
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: this year they improved a lot of the stuff for
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the players. Even on the visiting side, guys said it's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's just vastly improved. So that's even before all
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that took place. So Cleveland, you know, it's not a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: tropical destination, let's say, but players really seem to appreciate
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: what that organization does for players, and that says, you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that says a lot for for what they the way
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: they run it there with Chris Annetty and now Steven
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Vote as the manager. I got a few votes for Detroit,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: although it didn't show up there that players say that
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Detroit is has recently made a noticeable difference in how
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: they treat players, you know, the the the club ause, amenities,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the plane. Aparently it is like the coolest playing in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: baseball or something like that. So the Tigers are starting
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to make a little more get a little more, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: of a good reputation, and I think the Mets continue
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, climb those rankings, but you
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: see a lot of it just comes down to winning
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and losing. You know, some of those are the most
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: winning ist teams and the losingest teams. But you're starting
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to see subtle things from like, yeah, like Detroit and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: maybe not to subtle from the Mets. They're they're rising
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: in those ranks.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: A lot of this, though, goes by clubhouse, how the
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: clubhouses guys treat the players that go in there, right,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: because a lot of these teams, these people, I don't
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: know who you talk to is all anonymous obviously, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: they're not going to not every player.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't get to go.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: To the home side and a lot of clubhouses until
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: after I was done playing and working for Fox. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: to me, I don't know what happens on the home side,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: so you can only look at as a visitor. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: you go to Cleveland, Willie Jenks and the boys in
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Cleveland are one of the best. They don't have the
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: best clubhouse to work with, but they do a lot
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: of good things to make it better. So that's why
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I would think, like, oh, it's a good reputation. Then
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: you talk to guys and are like, yeah, they treat
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: us right, the medical is good. Whatever they get us
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: could like. So, I mean the Dodgers is obvious. Dodgers
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and Yankees are the easiest two to look at and say, well, yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers and Yankees. So that's again, I don't know
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: what they were voting on, but to me, that like
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: if I was looking because people always say, oh, what
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: was your favorite place to go play? And the first
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: thing I would say is it depends on what you're asking.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: If you're going clubhouse or you're going like place to
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: be on the field or total package.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: There's different answers for every question.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I would have thought Philly would be high, right,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and let me you love all the cheese steaks they
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: make up where you're there and in Philly, And isn't
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that always like the big competition for guys is to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: see who can eat the most, But the Phillies weren't
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: real high on that list. I don't know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's because they make you also feel like you
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: weigh three hundred pounds, and that's probably why they feed
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: them to you, because then you you try to go
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: hit and you're like, oh, but do you have to
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: think you have to try to limit yourself. Krats probably
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: went in there's a visitor and ate them all.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: He probably tried.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: For the record, I could have like one, because if
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: you're in there for a four game series and you
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: try to they give them to you for breakfast, lunch,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: and dinner.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: You know, that's a lot of cheese steak, all right.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Look like Eric, like me is a Monco guy, I think, right,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: So we could you know all this all this all
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the hot spots in the suburbs and the city, so your.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: I know, Philly, Philly people Philly people will be upset.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Scott actually just asked me for some but Philly people
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: will be upset. But Montgomery County's got it when it
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: comes to cheese steaks. And that's where and that's where
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: the visiting clubhouse guy comes from, their Montgomery County style
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: cheese steaks.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Sorry, nice, nice.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Gotta put WIZ on them. That's what I'm saying.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Is that Kevin is that is Kevin still in CHARGEO?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Kevin stein Hour. Yeah, he's been Okay, I didn't know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He's a Monco guy. I've known him for like twenty
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: All right, tell before I let you go, I cannot
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: believe you're wearing that hat. How disappointed were you the
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Vanderbilt didn't make it out of the regional They were
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the number one seed. Not only are they not making
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: it out of the regional, they didn't make the regional final.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: So I'm very surprised you are still wearing that hat.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Still a guy I gotta represent, you know, it's it's uh.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I went there. There were four years and no one
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: guy made it to the big leagues. Josh Paul and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: now they're.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: You know, I love Josh Paul isn't great.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: He was the guy who didn't throw the ball back
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to first when I ran. Yeah, I love.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: He's such a smart player except for that one moment.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he have tagged you if he had if
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it had bounced, he definitely would have tagged you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, wait, this is where we have to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: finish here. You need to explain this their children.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, So Josh Paul when I when I struck out
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and five, but Josh Paul was the
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: catcher that rolled it back to the picture when I
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: went to first, and then the White Sox went on.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: We didn't lose after that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I played with Josh Paul in the Fall League, by
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: the way, so we were bathroom because they kind of
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say it ended his career, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: it kind of was like the fast track to the
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: end of his career after that. Me he's a coach
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: now and he's doing other things, but his playing career
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I kind of ended it. And I feel bad because
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I like Josh and I struck out and he rolled
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: the ball in the picture and I ran the first. Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: but the umpire went You gotta watch it. It's a
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: it's a famous call in Chicago's plot you've.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: Never seen went the Empire went like this, Doug Eddings,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: my guy, Doug aetting this. Doug Eddings blew the call
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: and then he went like this. So technically Josh Paul
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: looked back and he saw him go like this, which
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: is the call for out. But then he said no catch,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: so he kind of screwed Josh Paul and AJ being
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: the hustler and down in the dirt kind of guy
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: like he is, did it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Steal first? I stole first, But you can't. Don't say
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: you can't steal first because I did it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Did they change right now?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, they did change the rule after that you.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Had left the dirt circle, and now the rule was like.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't leave the dirt, but they said now like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: as soon as you make an effort to go back
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: to the dugout, you're out, Like you have to run
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: right away, because I took two steps back towards the dugout,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: and if you watch me in the corner of my eye,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like, if he is this fall back, I'm going
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: And as soon as it left his hand, that was
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: when I turned around.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So you just thought because it's it's so low that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: maybe you might get lucky on that, Like did you
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: think it didn't bounce?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: But you thought this didn't bounce? Bounced? It was kind
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: of trapped. Trap is about Scott Trapped. I don't know.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I've watched it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Scott, you know me. These I've signed you know me pictures.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I love that Scott's showing me something that I'm gonna
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: tell you you know me pictures. I've signed him bad exactly.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And Josh was a huge White Sox fand as a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: kid like he he told me once he cried when
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Charlie Loud died like he was such a White Sox guy,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: played for them from Buffalo Grove and then that was
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the spark for the White Sox to go all the way. Yeah,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: but he was the banding guy when I was there,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: he was he was our big leaguer. So and you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: had stinks that we lost, but uh, you know, we've
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: got a couple of championships and Duke loss too, So
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that's all right.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: That's Fandy's comparison Duke on the same.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So I chose by, but a lot of guys.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Humble bragg Tyler, humble brag that's right.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just watching this planet loop.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I've never seen that I have.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It's just it's a long time at this point.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty twenty years.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler, good to chat man, good to catch up.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Always enjoy it. Make sure you give Tyler follow and
• 28:31
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• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Let us, let us ask some questions. Let us come
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: up with a couple of questions for next year.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Overrated is the best we got to bring.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll touch base with you because yeah, we
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: got to bring back overrated.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, text us, thanks, Tyler talks in all right,