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UnchainedTV: Arrested on Capitol Hill Speaking Up for Animals! · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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TV journalist and the founder of the Unchained
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TV free streaming network, Jane Velez Mitchell.
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Now, here's your host, Jane Velez Mitchell.
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Wow, you are going to hear all about
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this wild congressional hearing where there were arrests
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and boy, was it dramatic.
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Really, really, really dramatic fireworks in the form
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of confrontation and arrests as Congress battles it
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out over the farm bill.
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We will talk live with one of the
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animal activists dragged out of a house committee
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hearing on agriculture recently, while loudly begging lawmakers
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to stop subsidising the meat and dairy industry
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that is causing so much harm.
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A huge contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, water
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pollution, ocean dead zones, preventable lifestyle diseases, healthcare
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costs, the federal deficit and animal agriculture on
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a massive unprecedented scale never before seen in
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history.
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Unchained TV is all over this story.
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And we're going to talk to this gentleman,
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Robert Grillo, the head of Free From Harm,
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before we play the sound of you talking
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truth to power.
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Tell us, why did you do this, Robert?
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Hi, Jane, it's great to be with you
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on the show.
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So our mission is to advance a plant
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-based slaughter-free food system through bold and
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innovative grassroots action.
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And that means getting in front of the
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power holders, the people that are really making
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the big decisions on the farm bill, which
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will determine the course of the bailout for
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the agriculture industry for the next five or
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six years to come.
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So it's an incredibly consequential story and process
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to be involved in.
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Well, I want to play you speaking truth
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to power as you put it.
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And let me tell you people, for those
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who think, oh, it's no big whoop, you
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know, they get in there.
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No, it's gotta be terrifying.
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And I want to talk to you about
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that.
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You're putting yourself on the line.
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But first I want to play the clip
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of you at a very recent hearing, speaking
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truth to power.
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This is a congressional hearing about the farm
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bill, which as you said, is going to
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determine basically the future of our food system
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for the next few years.
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We are paying billions of dollars to bail
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out the chicken and egg industry, a $276
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billion industry.
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Why are hardworking Americans paid to bail out
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this industry?
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It is absurd and immoral.
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You have betrayed hardworking constituents in America.
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It's time for a plant-based sustainment for
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the future.
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The committee will be in order.
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The committee will be in order.
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The committee will stand in resets until the
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police can restore order.
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So we invite, by the way, anybody connected
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to the animal agriculture industry or the farm
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bill, anybody at all who wants to speak
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about this issue, you are invited on Unchained
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TV.
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What was that like?
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How did you get in there?
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And tell us about the experience.
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Well, it was one of the most harrowing,
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exhaustive things that we've done.
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And there's so many unpredictable factors.
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So for example, when we got there, the
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hearing started at 11 a.m. When we
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got there at nine, there was a line
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out the hearing door all the way down
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the hall.
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There must've been at least 100 people in
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line.
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And we thought to ourselves, okay, we're not
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gonna get in because we don't know how
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big this hearing room is.
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We don't know how fast this line's gonna
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move.
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We waited hours.
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We waited three hours.
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And then we finally, I said to our
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group, I said, listen, if we are going
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to get into that hearing room, we are
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going to have to get in front of
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the line.
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We are going to have to wait for
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an opportunity for that guard person at the
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door to be distracted and go in.
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And that's exactly what happened.
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In a split second, this young man was
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distracted and five of us slipped in and
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found a place to stand.
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Once we got inside, we had to wait
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another couple of hours on our feet because
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there were no chairs.
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And mind you, this is a public hearing.
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There are supposed to be seats for the
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public.
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And when you go into this room, there's
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only 60 seats.
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And most of them are reserved for lobbyists
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and journalists, which we're glad to have journalists
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there.
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But the lobbyists and the other insiders who
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take up these seats do not allow any
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room for the public.
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So the person like me who comes in
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to try to get involved, the attitude there
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is, who are you?
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What do you think you're doing here?
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You don't belong here.
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There's no chairs for you here.
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You can't stand.
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You have to find a seat.
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And if you can't find a seat, you
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have to go.
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So we were harassed, harassed, harassed.
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Finally, hearing came back from recess.
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G.T. Thompson, the one who banged the
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gavel down on us, he started the hearing
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and that's when we did our disruptions.
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There were three of us that disrupted the
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process.
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When the gavel goes down, the Capitol Police
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can arrest you or they can give you
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a warning and say, you have to leave
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or you will be arrested.
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In this case, they immediately arrested us.
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So there you are.
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And there's one of the other, that's one
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of the women who was arrested.
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And do you feel like your message got
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through?
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I mean, that man you're looking at, he's
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proposing wording in the Farm Bill that would
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undo Prop 12, Proposition 12, which was passed
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by the voters of California to prevent meat
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from tortured pigs from being sold in California.
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We'll tell you more about that in a
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second, but he's trying to stick in wording
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there that would completely erase basically all of
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the propositions that I personally have collected signatures
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for and take us back to an era
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where states cannot do any kind of proposition
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or legislation that's gonna interfere with interstate commerce.
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I'm gonna tell you that the Humane League,
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I attended just yesterday, an entire forum run
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by the Humane League to get people to
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get mobilised.
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And you can go to this website, action
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.thehumaneleague.org forward slash Farm Bill.
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And you can get a whole bunch of
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action points so that you can call your
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members of Congress.
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Yesterday, I called my member of Congress.
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I also called the two US senators and
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said, do not allow that wording into the
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Farm Bill because right now the House and
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the Senate are in their respective processes trying
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to figure out what this Farm Bill is
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gonna look like or if they're even gonna
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get a Farm Bill done before the end
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of the year.
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But do you feel that any of the
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people in the room, the power brokers heard
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you, really heard you?
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So to answer that question, you kind of
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have to understand first, what is our objective
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going into this?
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What we're engaged in is what they call
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changing the weather activism.
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We are not policy experts.
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We are not looking for granular language changes
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to the Farm Bill that will satisfy us.
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We are looking to get a message out
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about a transition to a plant-based slaughter
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-free food system that we feel is urgently
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needed in the future.
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And if we wanna see that in the
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future, we have to start demanding it now.
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And we need to get that message into
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the discourse.
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So we insert ourself into the negotiations because
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Jane, it's the only way you can be
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heard.
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Sure, there are organisations like HSUS that have
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lobbyists and attorneys that can get inside and
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get meetings with some of these power holders
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in Congress.
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However, they're only gonna be asking for modest
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changes.
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And the issue I have with, so for
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example, the issue I have with the EATS
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Act is that it's really a symptom of
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a much broader underlying problem.
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And that is money in politics.
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Because if we didn't have a system where
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the meat, dairy and egg industry could pour
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hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars
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into the election campaigns of these congressional committee
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members that are shaping the Farm Bill, we
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would not have anything like the EATS Act.
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There would be no momentum for industry-led
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moves like the EATS Act.
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All it does- Yeah, I hear you.
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And I think we can sort of agree
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a little bit to disagree, which is okay.
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By the way, people, it's okay for us
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to have a discourse, argument and counter argument
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to reach a higher understanding of the given
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subject matter.
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But we have to remember our commonalities because
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I'll tell you the other side is organised.
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They have a very, very organised campaign that
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they are waging against the plant-based movement.
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Just last week, I interviewed Robbie Lockey, who
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has just started a new organisation called the
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Freedom Food Alliance.
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And as part of that, he issued a
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more than 100 page report about the organised
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campaign by the meat and dairy industry to
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take down the plant-based movement.
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So I urge everybody.
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Yes, of course.
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For example, Robert Grillo and I are not
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gonna see exactly eye to eye on every
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single nuance of this issue, but we are
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united in our effort to stop the torture
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and killing of 80 plus billion sentient beings,
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largely for food every year on this planet,
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which is unprecedented in history.
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Let me go to the phone lines because
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they're coming in.
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Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas.
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Your question or thought for Robert Grillo of
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Free From Harm.
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Hi, thanks to Free From Harm for 15
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years of abolitionist animal rights work since inception
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in 2009.
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It takes a lot of courage and confidence
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to do a speak out at the Capitol
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Hill.
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You spoke for us.
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As taxpayers, we don't want our tax dollars
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to fuel the industrial complex of confined, rape,
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torture, and kill.
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On the cusp of this bold direct action
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of you and your team, what can we
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do from outside of Washington, D.C. to
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support this strategy, Pat?
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Good question.
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What can people do to support you?
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So we have a series of workshops where
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we're training people to confront their own congressional
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reps.
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Because listen, everyone's gonna have to eventually vote
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on this farm bill.
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So we should be priming our congressional reps
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now and demanding that they vote against any
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continued bailout of this animal agriculture industry.
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No more bailout money for factory farming.
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We want money invested in a plant-based,
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slaughter-free food system.
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And we can cite the Environmental Working Group's
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recent report that shows this incredible disparity.
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That subsidies to animal agriculture since 1994 are
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$59 billion versus, in comparison with, investments in
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plant-based proteins.
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Only $121 million, according to this Environmental Working
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Group report.
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We need to tell our congressional reps that
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this is completely unacceptable.
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And we demand that they only support a
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farm bill that transitions us in the right
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direction.
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And if they don't wanna listen to our
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calls and emails, we must, I can't emphasise
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this enough, we must find ways to get
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in front of them.
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We must go to their town halls.
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We must go to their offices.
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We must go to their fundraisers, wherever we
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can find them to get face-to-face
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with them and with dignity, in creative ways,
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deliver that message.
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Because otherwise, we will be missing an action.
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And I hate to say it, but our
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movement is largely missing an action on this
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issue.
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Yeah, I would agree.
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Paige in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for Robert Grillo of Free From Harm?
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Yeah, thank you so much.
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So I'm also doing some reading here about
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the bird flu problem.
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I see that you've spoken a little bit
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about this today too.
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Apparently it's getting worse.
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It's spreading 42 cattle herds, et cetera.
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And the government's answer, quote, is to bail
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out industrial chicken farming, allowing them to kill
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their infected chickens.
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Start over with a new batch and pay
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them for their losses.
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I don't know anyone, I cannot think of
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anyone, I just can't, that would want to
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spend our tax dollars, like my own tax
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dollars, going towards this.
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So how do we get this to the
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public since we are supposedly the ones that
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have voting power, which are tax dollars?
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How does this info, just the general public,
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hey, do you realise this is where your
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money's going?
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Because when I went vegan, there was so
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much I didn't know, right?
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The veil's lifted, you hear this from so
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many vegans.
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What, my money's going to that?
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What are your thoughts?
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So yeah, I think that the way we
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get popular support for what I agree is
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absolutely an issue that almost everybody you talk
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to across the political spectrum agrees that hardworking
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Americans should not be paying for the problems
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that the industry creates, that animal agriculture creates
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these horrendous conditions for animals, and therefore there's
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these disease outbreaks, and the need to exterminate
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and dump and get rid of millions of
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diseased animals.
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That's not the consumer's problems, that's the industry's
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problem, and yet they have successfully lobbied Congress
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to get us to pay for this issue.
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The way we change the shift of power
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on this is by getting the message out,
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and the way we get the message out,
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because the media doesn't care about a lot
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of stuff, the only way the media cares
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is if you do something bold and dramatic
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and creative, and then they say, yes, we
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have to cover this, and then it gets
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into their networks and the public sees it,
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and we build more popular support that way.
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That's the way that we're choosing and trying
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to build that popular support that we need.
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Yeah, and bold, brave actions are needed, like
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you're saying.
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So what kind of actions can we take?
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Well, so find out, get to know who
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your congressional reps are, find out what their
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schedules are like, find out what events they're
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having or where they're gonna appear.
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For example, in Chicago, we think that someone
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very prominent on a committee on agriculture or
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the Senate committee is going to be at
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the pride parade.
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Well, guess what?
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We're gonna be prepared to confront that person
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and demand that they vote no, that they
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vote against any measures to continue the bailout
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of animal agriculture and to have pride in
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plants, be plant proud.
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If the message is about pride, then be
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plant proud and don't support animal eggs.
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So look for these opportunities where you can,
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because it's up to Congress.
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Congress will eventually vote on all of this
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money, our money that will be used.
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So we have to get in front of
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congressional people and we have to find out
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where they are and how we can access
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them because they can ignore our emails and
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phone calls, right?
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Jane, you're muted.
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Jane, we don't hear you.
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Bradley in Arlington, Virginia.
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Your question or thought?
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Hi, I apologise.
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It's Arlington, Texas.
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And we're here like in the heart of
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meat eating industry.
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I'm a cultural historian who's been a conscientious
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food consumer my whole life.
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I've defined myself as a vegan before, as
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a vegetarian before, all these other things.
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And I'm definitely for the cause and commend
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everybody's work.
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But my question, I think, kind of like
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stems from my experience early on trying to
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be an activist, observing activism in the vegan
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movement.
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And one of the things I noticed is
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that oftentimes people look at us like we're
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crazy, like we're just wild, we're overextreme and
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we're wanting these absurd ideas, which for a
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lot of these people seems to be absurd
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because food and culture are so intricately intertwined,
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right?
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Identity and food is so intertwined.
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And so I wonder what your thoughts are
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to someone who may say, look, these crazy
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radicals over here talking about things, going to
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the extreme, do observing our activism move these
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people further away?
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That's a good question.
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I'm gonna jump in with, give him an
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opportunity to respond.
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Does what some people might consider extreme activism
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like disrupting a congressional hearing move people away?
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Thank you, sir.
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No, not at all.
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It doesn't, it wakes people up.
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Listen, we have to be very careful as
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activists or anyone to not be gaslighted by
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the powers that be.
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And of course, that's the easiest and lowest
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blow that they can try to deal to
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us is to gaslight us, to make us
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think we're crazy when we have actually a
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very common sense demand, which is, listen, we
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don't agree with this industry.
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We don't like what they do.
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We're against it.
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We would like to see animal agriculture end.
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However, until that time, the very least we
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want is not to use our hardworking money,
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tax dollars, to bail this industry out when
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it's record, some of the parts of the
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industry, like the chicken industries, are experiencing record
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profits.
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They don't need our money.
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This is a common sense demand that like
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Jane and I said earlier, across the political
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spectrum from left to right, people think, yeah,
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why should we be paying for an industry
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that's profiting?
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It just makes no sense.
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All right, we've got still more people.
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This has hit a nerve.
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So we're gonna run through these calls real
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quick because I wanna get to some other
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videos.
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Sam in Pasadena, your question or thought?
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Hi, hi, Jane.
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Hi, Robert.
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Thank you for your bold action in Washington,
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D.C. It was a really badass disruption.
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Thank you so much for holding these lawmakers
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and legislators accountable and calling them out publicly.
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I think it's really important for us animal
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rights activists to get involved politically.
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Disruptions are an excellent way to get our
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representatives' attention and also the media's attention.
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Could you recommend an advice to us activists,
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other methods to act politically?
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Where to start and how to get involved
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to help the animals?
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Thank you.
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Go for it.
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Listen, join our workshops because every month we
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have a public workshop where we talk about
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just all of this, all these different ways
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that we can become active and we brainstorm
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and we try to help people find their
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role and organise their efforts around this idea
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of what's the worst thing that what's the
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most heinous part of the bailout?
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Almost everyone thinks that, and everyone's very uncomfortable
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with this idea that we're paying to get
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rid of millions of diseased animals, not just
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vegans.
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I'm talking about the public at large, that
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we're actually paying 100% to bail out
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the industry to get rid of diseased animals
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and then pay for the hatchery to replace
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millions of chicks at our expense.
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This is a boon for the hatchery industry.
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It's actually making the industry more profitable.
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So we need to, like I said, I
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know I sound like a broken record, but
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we really need, if we're gonna do farm
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bill activism from the outside, from the grassroots,
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right?
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We need to find opportunities to get in
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front of our congressional reps, to show them
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that we will get a face-to-face
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with them, whether they agree to a meeting
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or not.
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If they wanna have a civil closed door
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meeting, brilliant, beautiful, we're happy, we're there.
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But if they ignore us, we will find
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them at their town halls.
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We will find them at their fundraisers.
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We will find them at the people that
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they have time for, which are the rich
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and wealthy.
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They have time to go to their parties.
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And I've seen the lavish parties in DC.
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And believe me, those are on our radar,
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right?
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Because we wanna get into these parties.
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We want to bust open this cosy relationship
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between the meat, dairy and egg industry elites
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and our Congress people that they are trying
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to buy outright.
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All right, let's go to our next caller.
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We're gonna move these along.
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Quick question, Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question
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or thought.
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And then after that, we're gonna head to
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Steve in Dallas, Texas.
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Go for it.
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Thank you, Jane.
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And thank you, Robert, for all that you
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do.
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And I had the pleasure of joining one
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of your disruptions about a month ago in
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West LA.
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And I learned so much from the organisers.
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And I was just reading DXC founder Wayne,
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whose song's recent newsletter.
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And he was writing about how he believes
24:23
mass change will, the most that we can
24:27
do for mass change is willing to get
24:29
arrested.
24:29
When people see mass people getting arrested.
24:32
So I was just wondering what your thoughts
24:34
are about that.
24:36
Yeah, and I'll just say that the arrests
24:40
that we experienced was a minor inconvenience compared
24:43
to the day long gruelling wait, the five
24:48
hour wait on our feet with nowhere to
24:50
sit in the Longworth building, waiting for this
24:52
hearing, waiting to get into this hearing.
24:55
That was the hard part was all the
24:58
anxiety, the unknowns that, whether we were even
25:01
gonna get into this hearing room.
25:03
Once we were arrested, it was a couple
25:06
of hours of being detained and waiting for
25:08
the police report to be written and paying
25:10
a $35 fine and getting released.
25:13
It was really a minor inconvenience, I would
25:16
call it.
25:18
Now what Wayne has- We don't have
25:19
to go to court.
25:20
We don't have to.
25:21
We could have chosen a court date if
25:24
we wanted to, but we decided to just
25:26
wait, forfeit it and pay the $35 fine
25:30
because I don't live in DC.
25:32
So for me, it made sense, right?
25:34
And for the others too.
25:36
But so what Wayne is facing is a
25:38
very different set of circumstances, right?
25:40
I mean, he and his activist team, they've
25:45
faced felony charges and the prospect of many
25:50
years in jail.
25:51
So I certainly want to contextualise that, right?
25:56
Because the risk we took was minor in
26:00
comparison to going into a farm, doing open
26:04
rescue and facing charges like some of the
26:08
DXC folks have faced.
26:10
Okay, we're gonna go to another caller.
26:13
Let's jump to Steve in Dallas, Texas.
26:16
Your question or thought for our amazing activists
26:19
today, Robert Grillo from Free From Harm.
26:24
Yes, wanted to say thank you so much
26:26
for bringing awareness to this issue.
26:31
The farm bill has such huge impact on
26:37
animal lives and a lot of people aren't
26:40
tuned into it.
26:41
So thank you so much for raising awareness
26:42
about it and helping organise us.
26:46
I also wanted to mention, thank you for
26:48
doing what you did to raise awareness to
26:50
this.
26:51
I wanted to just comment a little bit
26:53
on the previous caller, he mentioned disruptions.
26:56
Disruptions have been very effective right here in
26:59
Texas.
27:00
I'm from the Dallas area.
27:02
Activists here in Texas have had success doing
27:06
direct action against circuses, fur stores, puppy mills,
27:09
foie gras restaurants.
27:10
We have had success just here from what
27:13
I have witnessed.
27:14
It does work.
27:16
Movement, strike in many different ways.
27:20
You can look to history.
27:23
So I think what you're doing can be
27:27
very effective and thank you so much for
27:30
addressing this farm bill.
27:33
Yeah, thank you.
27:34
And I wanna play another clip because yes,
27:38
that one disruption at the House Agriculture Committee
27:42
hearing on the farm bill was pretty extraordinary,
27:45
but that's not their only disruption.
27:48
So I'm gonna play another one that occurred.
27:51
Watch it and then we're gonna talk about
27:54
it on the other side.
27:55
It's pretty dramatic.
27:56
Dollars bailing out the chicken and egg industry
27:59
for a bird flu nightmare that they created.
28:02
The USDA's mission is to create safe and
28:05
nutritious foods.
28:07
Yet instead, you are the chicken industry's puppet,
28:11
protecting an industry, making record profits and betraying
28:16
America's health and safety.
28:18
This industry forces billions of birds to live
28:21
in squalid confinement, perfect conditions for new pandemics
28:26
with a constant supply of new hosts.
28:31
As I said on an earlier occasion-
28:33
Defund factory farms!
28:35
Defund factory farms!
28:50
Where are we going?
28:51
Okay.
28:55
Stop the bird flu bailout.
29:05
Not another penny.
29:07
Where are we going?
29:08
Oh, darn.
29:14
Stop the bird flu, I'm sorry, stop the
29:17
bird flu bailout, stop the bird flu bailout,
29:20
stop the bird flu bailout.
29:23
So there you are, it's the USDA Secretary
29:26
Tom Vilsack who is speaking, wow.
29:32
And that was a press club here meeting,
29:35
so therefore there was a lot of media,
29:37
but you know, I couldn't find that much
29:39
coverage of it, which leads me to the
29:43
next issue is that the media is completely
29:45
complicit and is essentially bought and paid for
29:49
because look at the advertisers, fast food and
29:51
pharmaceuticals.
29:52
The media is afraid to cover this, they're
29:55
afraid to cover the issues because they know
29:58
how powerful the industries are.
29:59
But I want to point out something that
30:01
Vilsack said, I'm not sure if you heard
30:03
it, in response to the protesters.
30:05
He said, isn't it wonderful that we live
30:08
in a democracy where people have freedom of
30:10
speech?
30:11
Something to that effect.
30:12
And now my response to him is, isn't
30:15
it ironic that you are championing democracy when
30:19
the food system that you are overseeing could
30:23
not be less democratic and more elitist, allowing
30:27
money and influence to control the food system
30:33
against the better wishes of the American people,
30:38
animals, the planet, climate crisis, everything that matters
30:42
to us.
30:44
You are overseeing one of the most authoritarian
30:47
type of industries and you are allowing them
30:50
to control it against our wishes.
30:53
That's what I'd love to tell him in
30:55
response to that.
30:56
Yeah, it's corporate socialism.
30:58
That's the irony is bailing out these massive
31:00
corporations and some of them are even owned
31:03
by American individuals.
31:08
I mean, Smithfield Food is owned by a
31:10
Chinese corporation, it's the largest producer in the
31:13
world.
31:13
It's owned by a Chinese corporation.
31:15
Like why are we bailing out animal agriculture
31:18
with our tax dollars?
31:20
So it's really very interesting that people who
31:25
talk about free market, this isn't a free
31:28
market.
31:29
It's corporate socialism.
31:31
All right.
31:31
Let's continue on.
31:32
Wow.
31:32
We've got so many callers.
31:34
We're going to run through them quick.
31:36
So Emick in Los Angeles, quick question or
31:38
thought.
31:38
Thank you.
31:40
Hi.
31:41
Hello.
31:42
Hi, Jane.
31:43
Hi, Robert.
31:44
Thank you so much.
31:46
Great action.
31:47
So the farm bill may be a local
31:50
issue in the United States, but animal agriculture
31:53
is a global problem that everybody has to
31:56
join.
31:57
And I just watched Christ within it was
31:59
really inspiring for me.
32:01
I'm wondering if you could get together with
32:04
the religious leaders to start a global movement
32:08
around this, or if you know of anything
32:10
like that.
32:11
Thank you very much.
32:12
Thank you.
32:13
Yeah.
32:13
Religious leaders.
32:14
Yeah, go ahead.
32:18
That's a great question.
32:19
And I wish I had a good answer,
32:21
but I will say what our strategy is
32:24
for the reason why we focus on bird
32:27
flu, the reason why we focus on the
32:29
farm bill is because it's in the news
32:31
cycle because it's a story we want to
32:35
insert ourselves into stories that are relevant to
32:40
our demands, to our message of wanting a
32:43
just transition to a plant-based slaughter-free
32:45
food system.
32:46
If you find in your country opportunities, stories
32:49
in the news to do this, then I
32:52
would say seize the moment and we'll help
32:55
you if we can from afar to organise
32:59
an effort to get attention by power holders
33:03
and get your message out to them and
33:06
to the public, right?
33:07
Because ultimately what we're doing here is trying
33:10
to build popular support for a movement, not
33:14
just vegans, but beyond that, because we need
33:18
three to 5%, right?
33:20
And we think we have a vast potential
33:23
for support for not bailing out the animal
33:27
agriculture industry.
33:28
All right.
33:29
Let's get to some other callers.
33:31
Steve in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought?
33:38
How about Matt?
33:39
Matt in Franklin, Indiana, your question or thought?
33:42
Yes.
33:43
Yes.
33:43
Hello.
33:44
Yeah, I'm very outraged over this whole thing,
33:47
you know, bailing out the animal agriculture industry.
33:51
And I just wanted to ask Robert his
33:54
thoughts on, you know, this whole thing with
33:59
the current crisis we have with basically the
34:02
animal agriculture industry, basically getting all of these,
34:07
you know, capitalising on these, you know, migrants
34:11
that, you know, are basically just capitalising on,
34:15
you know, what they're going through, you know,
34:18
trying to, you know, seek refuge, you know,
34:21
and, you know, basically the government using them
34:25
as like pawns, you know, to continue this
34:29
vicious cycle of violence to non-human animals.
34:32
And I just wanted to know your thoughts
34:33
on that.
34:34
Wow.
34:34
That's a really good question because there's been
34:36
a lot of reporting about how really those
34:40
who are forced to do the killing are
34:41
at the lowest end of the economic scale.
34:45
So you have migrants, there are scandals involving
34:48
children, underage labour being used in factory farming,
34:53
particularly in slaughterhouses, as well as prisoners just
34:56
released from prison who end up being funnelled
35:00
to factory farms and slaughterhouses.
35:02
Take it away, Robert Grillo.
35:05
Yeah, I mean, the worker exploitation component is
35:08
just yet another component to our case against
35:11
the industry with the reason why we shouldn't
35:14
be bailing them out.
35:16
So workers, communities, public health and safety, animals,
35:22
climate crisis, all of these things bolster our
35:25
case for why we should not, at the
35:28
very least, right, not the most we can
35:31
do, but the very least we should not
35:32
be paying to bail out this industry, which,
35:36
by the way, doesn't want to see bailouts
35:38
for any other industries.
35:40
They don't want to see welfare programmes for
35:41
poor Americans, but they're fine already billionaires taking
35:45
our money to bail them out for things
35:48
that they can actually afford.
35:51
And this, you know, so the worker component
35:53
here is important.
35:54
And there's connections between how humans and workers
36:00
are animalised, you know, basically treated like animals.
36:04
They often say that they feel like they're
36:06
being treated like animals.
36:08
So the parallels are striking and disturbing.
36:12
It really is so disturbing.
36:15
And what I find the most disturbing is
36:17
the blindness, the wilful blindness of people who
36:22
are otherwise environmentalists, feminists for equal rights, for
36:28
civil rights, for all sorts of rights.
36:30
And yet they don't see the connection to
36:32
what's happening in the animal agriculture industry is
36:35
is the ultimate exploitation of humans and animals
36:39
and the environment.
36:41
And we're going to be paying a price
36:42
increasingly as extreme weather becomes more and more
36:46
of an everyday phenomenon.
36:47
All right.
36:49
I think we're going to go to Annie
36:51
in Sherman Oaks.
36:52
If you're still there, Annie, take it away.
36:55
Hi, thank you, Jane.
36:56
Thank you, Robert.
36:57
I'm honoured to say that I've done activism
37:00
with you and organised.
37:03
And one of the things I have to
37:05
say is that people always want to choose
37:07
food or the social veganism over activism.
37:13
We are at a time that we can
37:14
not only afford doing that.
37:16
I'm more than happy to do tabling.
37:18
I'm more than happy to do social veganism.
37:21
However, we all need to organise and do
37:24
activism.
37:25
We don't have a choice as vegans.
37:28
We need to speak up and do it
37:31
directly because we're ignored in every level.
37:34
We do signing, we do letters, we do
37:36
everything.
37:37
But one of the things that is most
37:39
effective, the reason we're having this conversation today
37:42
is because of Robert's amazing, incredible, heroic bravery.
37:47
So people, I encourage you, please, we need
37:50
your help.
37:50
We have very few people showing up anytime
37:52
we do activism.
37:54
And what is the outcome?
37:57
This is about the world.
37:58
This is not only about us.
38:00
This is not about only the food.
38:02
It's about suffering of the animals, suffering of
38:04
the humans.
38:05
You're making excellent points, Annie.
38:07
And I think if I had to summarise
38:09
it, I would say veganism is not a
38:13
social club.
38:14
It's not just about going to great restaurants.
38:16
Hey, I went to a great vegan restaurant
38:18
last night.
38:18
That's wonderful.
38:19
But it's not just about that.
38:22
It's about being an activist because we're a
38:25
very small percentage of the population.
38:27
So we need to be out there going
38:29
in the discomfort zone.
38:31
You know, I wrote a song about how
38:34
protesting is a grind.
38:36
You know, nobody particularly enjoys it, but it's
38:39
what moves the needle.
38:41
Yeah.
38:42
Can I can I respond to something that
38:45
Annie said?
38:45
By the way, it's nice to have you
38:47
on the call, Annie.
38:48
Thank you for your kind words and also
38:51
participating in some of the work we've done
38:53
in L.A. So, you know, I think
38:57
one of the biggest obstacles to activism is
39:00
people thinking that they can't make a difference,
39:02
that they will say there's many variations on
39:04
this, that power holders, you know, congressional people
39:08
don't care, we can't get them to care
39:10
or that you can't fight city hall.
39:12
You've heard that one a lot or that,
39:14
you know, you just can't fight corruption.
39:16
Now, I want to say there's there's a
39:19
couple of ways to respond to this.
39:21
But one of the most important is that
39:23
it's false, that it ignores the examples all
39:26
around us that we have of power, people
39:29
power, grassroots movements that shift power in the
39:33
right direction, like Black Lives Matter.
39:37
And so we have to we have to
39:41
believe that that that change is possible through
39:43
people powered movements.
39:45
It is also think about what a position
39:48
of privilege it is to say that you
39:51
can't change powerful people.
39:54
It think about all of the other movements
39:56
that have done this.
39:57
All of the privileges and freedoms and rights
40:00
that we enjoy.
40:02
We enjoy the labour of others, the blood,
40:06
sweat and tears of other activists, of other
40:08
generations that fought for the rights that we
40:11
enjoy.
40:11
So we should never, ever forget that and
40:15
realise that the struggle continues today.
40:17
And the food system is ground zero for
40:21
that struggle because so much depends, so much
40:24
hinges on what happens to the future of
40:26
our food system.
40:28
Well, let's talk a little bit now, take
40:30
a break from some of the callers and
40:31
talk about what is actually happening to the
40:35
Farm Bill.
40:36
You have the House, you have the Senate.
40:38
You've got committees.
40:40
Where exactly do we stand?
40:42
And pointing out that while they're supposed to
40:47
resolve all this in September, they really have
40:50
until the end of the year to resolve
40:52
it.
40:52
And there's some very, very pernicious wording that
40:55
has been stuck in some of the proposed
40:57
Farm Bill legislation.
40:59
Take it away.
41:02
Well, so we have, you know, we're going
41:04
to have there's going to be the House
41:08
version of the Farm Bill and there's going
41:10
to be the Senate version.
41:11
The House version is steered by Thompson, Representative
41:16
Thompson, a big Republican and many of his
41:18
Republican fans and on the committee.
41:21
And the Senate side is controlled by Democrats.
41:25
The leader, Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow of Michigan.
41:29
She's the senator of Michigan.
41:31
So the big difference here is one of
41:33
the big differences is the Democrats are focused
41:36
on what they call a crop insurance programme,
41:39
which is, I don't know, maybe a trillion
41:41
dollars or something.
41:43
It's huge.
41:44
And what the crop insurance means is that
41:47
if a farmer has a crop failure, that
41:49
the government will come in and pay them
41:51
a fair price for for their loss.
41:54
OK, the problem with the crop insurance programme
41:57
is that it excludes all but feed for
42:02
livestock.
42:03
So if you grow corn and soy and
42:05
alfalfa, you're golden.
42:07
You're part of that crop insurance programme.
42:09
You'll benefit from it.
42:11
But if you grow vegetables, grains, seeds, nuts,
42:15
mushrooms, you're exempt.
42:17
So all they're doing, both versions are terrible.
42:21
All of they're doing is incentivising the growth
42:24
of animal agriculture.
42:26
And and the plant based alternative plant based
42:33
protein.
42:34
They're not incentivising.
42:36
They're not funding at all.
42:37
So both versions are totally messed up.
42:40
We don't endorse either one.
42:42
We simply are using the Farm Bill negotiations
42:46
to get attention on a different path forward,
42:49
which is, of course, a plant based slaughter
42:51
free food system.
42:52
All right.
42:52
I want to jump in because yesterday I
42:55
attended a very effective humane lead forum online
43:01
where the humanely basically got everybody to call
43:05
and or email their respective member of Congress.
43:09
In my case, it's Ted Lieu.
43:11
And a senator.
43:13
And I I actually contacted both of my
43:17
senators offices.
43:18
And I spoke to three people, then the
43:21
representative for Ted Lieu, the congressman, as well
43:25
as the representatives for our two U.S.
43:27
senators here in California.
43:29
You can do this, too.
43:30
And it was very effective.
43:32
And essentially, there's a very short script.
43:34
It's what you said, Robert.
43:36
It's the version that Thompson is putting out.
43:41
Has language in it that would basically invalidate
43:47
any state's attempt to improve animal welfare, for
43:51
example.
43:52
And the reason I'm putting this up is
43:53
that put your phones on this QR code,
43:56
which is what I did yesterday.
43:58
And it literally sends you to an entire
44:03
page where it makes it very easy for
44:06
you to contact your senators and your members
44:08
of Congress.
44:09
So I'm urging everybody, if you're watching this,
44:12
if you're listening, go to action.thehumaneleague.org
44:17
forward slash Farm Bill.
44:19
I'll say it one more time.
44:21
Action.thehumaneleague.org forward slash Farm Bill.
44:27
If you're watching, put your phone in front
44:29
of this QR code.
44:30
It will take you right to a an
44:33
action page where it's very easy for you
44:36
to make those calls.
44:37
And I have to say, you know, there's
44:39
so much cynicism, but I spoke to three
44:41
people.
44:42
I didn't leave voicemails.
44:43
Well, I did leave a message, but then
44:45
I call back and I hit another button
44:47
that allowed me to talk to a person.
44:49
And, you know, I got really I had
44:52
an interaction.
44:53
It wasn't just like, yeah, yeah, you know,
44:55
zip code.
44:56
They asked me, OK, so tell me the
44:58
wording again.
44:59
What's the objectionable wording?
45:01
I will make sure that blah, blah, blah.
45:03
What you're basically saying is you don't want
45:06
any language in the House or the Senate
45:08
version that tries to interfere with the rights
45:11
of states to create laws to protect animals
45:16
used for food or for anything else.
45:18
So in the United States, you know, we
45:22
have states' rights.
45:23
And ironically, the people who are already always
45:25
arguing for states' rights are now trying to
45:27
eliminate the right of states to create laws
45:31
and propositions such as Proposition 12 that will
45:36
protect animals.
45:38
So again, take your phone and put it
45:40
on this QR code and get active.
45:43
It's actually a lot of fun.
45:46
And, you know, you can also take a
45:48
snapshot of this QR code if you're not
45:51
in the mood to do it right this
45:52
second.
45:53
But take a snapshot.
45:54
That's what I did.
45:54
I took a snapshot.
45:55
Then I went into the snapshot and I
45:58
followed it.
45:59
And it was really easy.
46:00
And you know what?
46:01
It made me feel good because here I
46:03
am watching Robert Grillo.
46:05
I'm watching Robert Grillo get arrested and I'm
46:08
thinking, what am I doing?
46:09
But then after I made those calls and
46:12
I had conversations with my member of Congress,
46:15
Ted Lieu's office, as well as the two
46:18
senators from California's offices, I felt better and
46:21
I felt, well, I'm doing something.
46:23
I try never to ask people to do
46:25
things that I don't want to do myself.
46:27
It's not difficult.
46:29
It's easy.
46:30
Go ahead, Robert.
46:31
If I can just say a few things
46:32
in response to that.
46:33
So let's just say it's all good.
46:35
And it's a very important thing for.
46:38
Yeah, I completely agree that states should have
46:41
independent rights over certain legislation.
46:44
Let's say that the EATS Act does get
46:47
defeated and all of these groups like the
46:49
Humane League can claim victory and say, wow,
46:52
we defeated the EATS Act.
46:54
That's wonderful.
46:56
And it's it's like stopping Sisyphus from sliding
46:59
further down the hill.
47:00
Right.
47:00
Because we got him up to a certain
47:03
point with some at least some basic protections
47:05
for animals and Prop 12.
47:07
Some some would argue very modest.
47:10
Others would say very significant.
47:11
But whatever you believe, we stop Sisyphus from
47:14
sliding down the mountain.
47:16
Right.
47:16
By by defeating the EATS Act.
47:18
However, the underlying problem of money in politics
47:23
still exists.
47:24
And there will be other attempts like the
47:27
EATS Act that are just as pernicious until
47:29
we address properly the problem with money in
47:34
politics.
47:35
And I know it sounds like a big
47:37
issue, but guess what?
47:39
Many other groups and movements are also confronting
47:43
this.
47:43
We can this is an opportunity to collaborate
47:46
with other social movements on getting money out
47:50
of politics.
47:51
If we do it successfully, we cut out
47:54
a lot of this power and influence from
47:57
the meat industry, which is what we want.
48:00
OK, I agree with you, but I in
48:03
the sense that it's not mutually exclusive.
48:06
You can fight specific, pernicious elements of a
48:09
bill.
48:09
You could also fight the whole idea of
48:10
money in in politics.
48:13
So do it.
48:15
Do it all.
48:16
Do it all.
48:17
Do it all.
48:18
We choose to focus on calling out the
48:22
corruption that exists that even makes things like
48:25
the EATS Act possible and calling for a
48:28
future where we transition to a plant based
48:31
food system.
48:32
We want to get that vision out to
48:36
the public and to the power holders.
48:38
Let me tell you what a David Goliath
48:40
battle we're in.
48:41
The World Bank recently issued a report that
48:45
essentially encouraged governments around the world to stop
48:49
subsidising meat and dairy and start subsidising alternative
48:53
proteins more.
48:55
Now you think, wow, that's a big, big
48:57
thing.
48:58
World Bank, very powerful entity that funds to
49:02
the billions of dollars and has a lot
49:05
of clout.
49:06
Well, guess what?
49:06
Nobody picked up on the story.
49:08
I mean, I had to go to Green
49:10
Queen.
49:11
Shout out for Green Queen to get this
49:14
story.
49:14
I'm looking, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, New York
49:21
Times.
49:21
I didn't see it anywhere.
49:23
This is the problem.
49:25
I'll give you another example.
49:27
Last year, the New York Times did this
49:30
article, Save the Planet, put down that hamburger.
49:33
Researchers examined the diets of 55,000 people
49:36
and found that vegans are responsible for 75
49:38
% less in greenhouse gas emissions than meat
49:41
eaters.
49:42
Put another way, if everybody went vegan, they
49:45
would reduce collectively the world's greenhouse gas emissions
49:49
by 75%.
49:51
Wow.
49:52
That's an answer to the climate crisis.
49:54
Headlines, right?
49:55
No.
49:56
That story did not get prominence and nobody
49:59
picked it up.
50:00
I looked for it on CNN.
50:01
I looked for it on MSNBC.
50:03
Did not get picked up.
50:04
So the truth is you're not getting the
50:07
information.
50:08
Not only are we in a David and
50:10
Goliath battle against government and corporation, but we're
50:13
also in a David Goliath battle against the
50:16
media, which is why I started Unchained TV,
50:21
the world's only plant-based streaming network.
50:23
So I will tell you right now, I'm
50:24
urging everybody, please take a moment to download
50:28
it.
50:29
It's very easy to download.
50:30
It's the world's only vegan streaming television network.
50:33
You can just go to your phone's app
50:35
store and put in Unchained TV, one word,
50:37
and you can also get it on your
50:39
TV.
50:40
Very easy.
50:41
If you see behind me, I have a
50:43
Samsung TV.
50:44
You just go to the Samsung TV smart
50:46
hub and you go in there and put
50:48
in Unchained TV.
50:50
And there it is.
50:51
You can drag that icon.
50:52
I drag it right next to Netflix and
50:55
Amazon Prime.
50:56
So it's free.
50:58
There's 2000 videos.
50:59
This video is playing live right now on
51:02
Unchained TV.
51:04
Part of your activism, support Unchained TV as
51:09
part of your activism.
51:10
You can literally text this video or any
51:14
other video on Unchained TV to anybody.
51:17
You can text it by just going here.
51:20
It comes up and then you hit text
51:22
and you can send it.
51:23
If you have a relative, a friend or
51:27
somebody who says, you know what?
51:30
It's not so bad.
51:31
You can text them Earthlings.
51:33
If you have a friend who says, gee,
51:36
I can never give up cheese.
51:37
You can give them a vegan cheese recipe.
51:40
We have hundreds of cooking shows on there.
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I'm urging people support us.
51:44
We created this, but we cannot do it
51:46
alone.
51:47
And we are a 501C3 nonprofit.
51:51
So that's one of the things that I
51:52
wanted to tell everybody.
51:54
Yeah, one of my videos is playing right
51:56
now is that we need your support as
51:58
well.
51:59
We've only got a couple of minutes.
52:00
I need to talk to you about ventilation
52:02
shutdown.
52:03
We're saving the most horrific for last.
52:06
Give us a small, short explanation of this
52:10
horror show.
52:11
Can I also just tell you something about
52:14
the New York Times that was very satisfying
52:16
to us since you brought that up?
52:18
So we know we our goal is to
52:21
change the discourse, to amplify the discourse on
52:24
the bird flu problem and on a plant
52:26
based food system.
52:26
Right.
52:27
Yes.
52:27
So when we saw the headline of the
52:30
New York Times one day shortly after our
52:32
Vilsack disruption at the at the the Washington
52:37
Press Club, where we didn't get much press.
52:39
Right.
52:39
Right.
52:40
But what was so rewarding was to see
52:43
a headline in The New York Times that
52:46
I'm paraphrasing that is is killing millions of
52:49
chickens and giving millions of dollars to the
52:52
poultry industry really the way to solve the
52:56
bird flu crisis.
52:57
And it was a sceptical article from our
53:00
point of view, what we have been going
53:02
to rooms and to get thrown out for
53:06
saying we're getting thrown out of rooms with
53:10
power holders like Tom Vilsack and Senator, you
53:14
know, senators committees for saying the same thing.
53:17
To see that on the cover of The
53:20
New York Times was very gratifying.
53:22
It's showing us that we are our our
53:25
message, our point of view is getting into
53:27
mainstream media.
53:29
It is.
53:30
And it's sad that somebody has to get
53:32
arrested for them to cover it because you
53:35
had to get arrested to get that point
53:37
across.
53:37
And that's not the way it should work.
53:39
I always say we do all these freedom
53:41
of information acts and reports and nothing.
53:44
But then if we take our clothes off,
53:46
not me personally, but other activists or we
53:50
get arrested again, not me personally, but people
53:52
like you, then we get coverage.
53:54
And that's unfair.
53:56
We shouldn't have to get arrested or get
53:57
naked to have the mainstream media cover our
53:59
issue.
54:00
We've got two minutes.
54:01
Ventilation shutdown.
54:02
Tell us what it is.
54:04
Well, ventilation shutdown is, you know, without getting
54:07
too technical, it's basically cooking birds alive.
54:10
It's turning up the heat in a closed
54:11
environment and until they they suffocate, until they
54:15
die of heat stroke.
54:17
And, you know, the industry has been doing
54:19
heat stroke tests on birds for decades.
54:22
That's something if you would have talked to
54:23
the late Karen Davis about, she knew all
54:25
about this.
54:26
The universities, the poultry science departments of all
54:28
these universities do all these experiments on chickens
54:32
to see how much heat stroke they can
54:33
take before they die.
54:35
They do it on millions of birds.
54:36
And this is how they perfected ventilation shutdown.
54:40
It's also the cheapest way to kill the
54:43
largest number of birds.
54:44
It's illegal in other countries because it's considered
54:47
so immoral.
54:48
But it's legal here and it's cheap and
54:50
fast.
54:51
What more can you say?
54:53
It's horrendous.
54:54
It's horrendous.
54:55
And our tax dollars are being forced to
54:58
subsidise it, which is truly, truly upsetting.
55:02
And, you know, sometimes I just wonder about
55:05
the stupidity factor because climate change is getting
55:09
worse.
55:10
And the news media, while they love the
55:12
mainstream news media to cover the catastrophe porn,
55:16
the fires, the floods, people crying, my house
55:19
is gone.
55:20
But then when a solution comes up that
55:22
is obvious, like going plant based, not only
55:25
do they not cover it, they attack it.
55:27
They attack it because they're repeating meat industry
55:30
talking points mindlessly.
55:33
And to me, that's stupidity because it's going
55:36
to bite everybody, including corporations, including the media,
55:42
including the airline industry.
55:43
I mean, it's disrupting everything.
55:45
And it's and we're in the very first
55:47
stages of it.
55:47
So keep fighting the good fight, everybody.
55:51
Download Unchained TV, get involved, go to the
55:55
protests and together we can really make an
56:00
impact.
56:01
You are an inspiration.
56:02
Let's hear it for Robert Grillo from Free
56:04
From Harm.
56:06
Come back soon.
56:07
Thank you, Jane.
56:08
Lovely to see you again.
56:11
You too.