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Almost Famous In Depth: Dr. Joe Park · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.
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  Speaker 1: It is the off season for the Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: and one of Ashley and I. That's that's wrong, right,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna yield that. Actually. Yeah. One of Ashley and
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  Speaker 1: My favorite things to do is to sit down in
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  Speaker 1: the off season and talk to some of Bachelor Nation's
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  Speaker 1: favorites about them as people, their lives, what they're learning,
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  Speaker 1: what they're experiencing, what their future is. This is an
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  Speaker 1: in depth episode with Dr Joe Park and we cannot
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  Speaker 1: be more pumped for. Actually, you've been waiting for this
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  Speaker 1: one for a while. What are you feeling. Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: very excited. I'm just so excited to have an in
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  Speaker 1: depth and especially with such a fan favorite from the
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  Speaker 1: past season or two. And Joe was just announced as
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  Speaker 1: like the first contestant to be going to Paradise I
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  Speaker 1: believe confirmed because Rob Mills did tweet that out a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. So we'll talk to him about that,
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  Speaker 1: and then at the end of this episode we'll have headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Hey, uh, Ashley, let's bring him in.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Joe. What's going on, buddy? Hey, what's up? Guys?
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  Speaker 1: Not much, just you're just living it. That's the way
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  Speaker 1: to do, just living in al right, old Joe. So
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  Speaker 1: with these many in depths or in depth, whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to call it, we really start with the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of somebody's life, you know, their childhood. So can you
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  Speaker 1: tell us about your your nuclear family, what your childhood
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  Speaker 1: was like, how many siblings you have, how how happy
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  Speaker 1: even marriage did your parents have? All that? Yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I'm into it. Yeah for sure. So it was a
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  Speaker 1: dark and stormy night. It was Mark study one. M Mar.
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  Speaker 1: Your birthday, isn't you? Yeah, it's coming. Thank you so much,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. UM. But now these birthdays are
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  Speaker 1: not occasionally for now, I kind of avoid them at
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  Speaker 1: this point of my life. So but thank you. Thirty seven. Huh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remind me, but but yeah. So I grew
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  Speaker 1: up on the island. I'm one of five kids. UM.
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  Speaker 1: My parents have been happily married since UM and they
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  Speaker 1: still go for walks. They still send me pictures of
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  Speaker 1: them just going on a little like hikes and adventures
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  Speaker 1: walking the dog. Um. I'm the second of five children. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I've unfortunately we all live in New York, so we
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  Speaker 1: see each other not infrequently. Which is such a blessing. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's beautiful. Um. A lot of cousins and nieces
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  Speaker 1: and nephews running around or like second cousins. Actually have
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  Speaker 1: one nephew, official nephew, but you know, my cousins have kids.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're second cousins, So a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: running around. Um. And spend most of my life on
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  Speaker 1: Long Island, aside from school in d C for four
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  Speaker 1: years and worked there for two years. And I traveled
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  Speaker 1: a bit, you know before med school for like six
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  Speaker 1: months around southral America, kind of coming around such America
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Beside that, I've mostly been in New
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  Speaker 1: York pursuing this whole medicine thing, which tends to take
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  Speaker 1: up a fair amount of time. Um. And yeah that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the really like nuts and bolts of it.
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  Speaker 1: What part of Central America? UM my trip um premed
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  Speaker 1: school was I did? I did all other countries um
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  Speaker 1: in Socil America, mostly staged in Nicaragua, but really traveled
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  Speaker 1: through all of them, just looking for different sort of
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  Speaker 1: spots throughout. So it was a beautiful trip. And I
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  Speaker 1: mean pretty much back every year since then, minus past
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  Speaker 1: or obviously I spent two months of my life every
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  Speaker 1: year in Honduras, So get out of here. No, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so two months every year for last like ten years,
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  Speaker 1: I spend in Honduras and San Pedrosula like Elfred Gresso area.
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  Speaker 1: So I know all about Central America. We got to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. There's a lot we could do down
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  Speaker 1: there together. Oh dude, it's amazing down there. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: On Instagram, I was seeing all your intense surfer photos.
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  Speaker 1: How did the kid from Long Island get to be
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  Speaker 1: so good on the way times? You know, Actually, there's
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  Speaker 1: a big surf scene in Long Island. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: right next to a town called Long Beach, New York,
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  Speaker 1: not to Long Beach, California. Um. Actually a lot of
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  Speaker 1: great surface come out of there, and one of the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: best big wave surfaces both student um is from Long Beach, California,
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  Speaker 1: I mean a Long Beach, New York. UM. So starts
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  Speaker 1: surfing UM a little bit on Long Island and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, as the years run by, visit California. Was
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  Speaker 1: there for like a month and surfed there and then
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  Speaker 1: since then just been surfing island in Central America. I've
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  Speaker 1: served in like Vancouver, I've done Ecuador, so I've been
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  Speaker 1: traveling a lot for surfing here in their bolly beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It was a beautiful trip. So um so yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's possible. Man. When this hurricanees run through come through,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's terrible for most people, but surfers are like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: hurricane like, so it's yeah, it's kind of a kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird. Yeah, but yeah. Well, one of the things
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  Speaker 1: is we're talking about your child, Althood, and I think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get to it. Uh, here's a good
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  Speaker 1: time for it. You on the show and after the show, right,
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  Speaker 1: The show is always something and it can portray people
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of ways, but it's it's usually fairly accurate.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that always stood out to
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  Speaker 1: us was you always had a smile on your face. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're always like a level headed kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: connector like if that makes sense, like that you could
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  Speaker 1: tell it you didn't want to add anything any drama
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  Speaker 1: more to the scene than there already was. Where does
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  Speaker 1: that come from? Because even after the show, like watching
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  Speaker 1: on social media and and hearing about you through friends,
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  Speaker 1: like where where where does that spirit and that desire
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  Speaker 1: to just connect and love on people welcome from you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good question. I don't know where it comes from.
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  Speaker 1: Per se. I will say I've got amazing parents. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that, like my mom is like the kindest, sweetest,
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  Speaker 1: like most caring and devision. I could just regale you
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  Speaker 1: with stories that I've heard just being like just like
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  Speaker 1: underworldly kind. Um, my dad has always been a very social,
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  Speaker 1: very like um, he's been a connector in his life,
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  Speaker 1: like politically, and I think it comes from there. And
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  Speaker 1: I think just being an empathetic human being goes so
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  Speaker 1: so far in life, and I think it would help
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  Speaker 1: in any situation, including the situations that are facing our
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  Speaker 1: society now. Um, we're all just trying to do the
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  Speaker 1: best we can. I think once you realize that, it's
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  Speaker 1: like nobody's nobody wants to be bad. Everyone just thinks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's thinking they're doing the right thing or
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  Speaker 1: there trying to like be good. They just their message
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  Speaker 1: is misconstrued or um, you don't know how to convey it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they can't conveyed in the way they want
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  Speaker 1: to convey it, and they get scared the message scarveled.
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  Speaker 1: But nobody, I don't think anyone thinks I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a jerk and I'm gonna show the world I'm a jerk,
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  Speaker 1: and not just knowing that like nobody thinks that, and
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  Speaker 1: just just starting from there, I think you could just
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, like that sounded really wrong when I
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  Speaker 1: came across kind of aggressive, but like what do you
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  Speaker 1: mean by that? Like you like just go and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just like developed that further, like you know, like unpack
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  Speaker 1: that and and some what you really mean because I
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  Speaker 1: know it's not exactly what it sounds like. I love
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  Speaker 1: that shown back Um with your with your parents, did
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  Speaker 1: they have any influence on you wanting to be a doctor?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have that kind of drive naturally or do
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  Speaker 1: you think that was something your parents instilled in you? Um,
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  Speaker 1: So my parents were like my dad came here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Donna dream both of them literally pedaled in Chinatown for years,
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  Speaker 1: um and then eventually got enough to open a shop
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  Speaker 1: and it was sold like clothes for a period of time.
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  Speaker 1: And then now they opened up like again, still just
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  Speaker 1: have a store that stills uniforms, so super humble, super
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  Speaker 1: blue collar. Um, start from the bottom. And yes they
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  Speaker 1: were immigrants, yet they came to the US in the
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  Speaker 1: late seventies and moms really from where what were they
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  Speaker 1: what city really living in? They came from South Korea, UM,
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  Speaker 1: and they my dadsh like a very small fishing village
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  Speaker 1: on the coast of South on the east coast, South Korea.
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  Speaker 1: And my mom is from around Salt and they both
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  Speaker 1: came in like the early eighties, UM, and I think
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  Speaker 1: had late seventies and again just like literally just sold
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  Speaker 1: trinkets like on the street, you know, and like literally
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  Speaker 1: just had a table and so little American flags a
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  Speaker 1: little like really the American dream. And they started from
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  Speaker 1: there and then from there. It's just their work ethic
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  Speaker 1: I think wasn't still stilled in us at a very
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  Speaker 1: young age. And I think all of all five of us,
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  Speaker 1: all five of their kids kids, like obviously we love
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  Speaker 1: them and we appreciate them, and we know how hard
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  Speaker 1: they worked, and we I mean, yeah, so I think
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  Speaker 1: you can't help, you know, being surrounded by that for
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  Speaker 1: however many years, for eight at least eighteen years and
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  Speaker 1: then more they're after, you can't help but be influenced
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  Speaker 1: and have that be kind of infused into you. UM.
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  Speaker 1: And I just feel lucky that I was born into
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  Speaker 1: such a beautiful family and awesome parents. Oh that's so sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I love that story. Yeah, so how do we real quick?
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  Speaker 1: A little often I'm intrigued, how did they meet? I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, you know, that's a good question
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  Speaker 1: and not completely unrelated like to the Bachelor. They met
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  Speaker 1: in the US, and they were like taking a couple
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  Speaker 1: of classes at Hunter and neither of them can them graduate.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they were taking classes at Hunter College, New
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  Speaker 1: York City, and they're just taking a couple of classes
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  Speaker 1: just like as survey courses, you know, just see getting
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  Speaker 1: their feet wet in the American education system. And they
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  Speaker 1: met in class, and six months later, my dad proposed
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  Speaker 1: and my mom had actually kind of been seeing somebody
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and this person I think I had
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  Speaker 1: gone away to Korea for for a bit and it
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  Speaker 1: came back. It's like, what, like what for just like
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of months, and this is what happened,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And and oddly, and it's like a trend
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  Speaker 1: of my family. My younger brother was married with and
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  Speaker 1: we're happily married for a few years, for like nine years,
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  Speaker 1: and um Melian nephews from my younger brother, they got
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  Speaker 1: engaged Jeff nine months and my older brother got married
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  Speaker 1: last year and he got an engage after like seven
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  Speaker 1: eight months of dating. I think so like moving fast,
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  Speaker 1: like when you know you in my family like you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of one of the reasons why I
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  Speaker 1: was like the Bachelor, Bachelor, it might be right about
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  Speaker 1: my alley, like once you like see it and you
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  Speaker 1: like it, like maybe that's it all takes like in
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  Speaker 1: your inn and you just know so, um one, you
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  Speaker 1: are well suited for this. That's awesome to hear, especially
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  Speaker 1: since we know that you're headed to paradise. Will get
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  Speaker 1: there later. I want to talk about, Okay, this little
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  Speaker 1: stat that I've kind of come up with, and I
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  Speaker 1: really do need to do like a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: numerical research on it. I've mentioned this a couple of
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  Speaker 1: times on the podcast. It seems that when it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to the final four, at least sev of the
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  Speaker 1: final four and about of the top ten on The
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor and Bachelorette happen to have parents who are still married,
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  Speaker 1: which obviously defeats the national odds. So do you feel
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  Speaker 1: like your parents marriage and how happy it was was
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that, like you feel like you're
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  Speaker 1: a hopeless romantic type that was drawn to the show.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know, I would say in
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  Speaker 1: part again rebscribe, they're kind of a whirlwind. The kind
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  Speaker 1: of marriage, like meeting of the marriage definitely was part
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  Speaker 1: of it. And also, yeah, I think when you come
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  Speaker 1: from a place where you see of and you you
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  Speaker 1: kind of have that example of growing up and you
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  Speaker 1: see it throughout it somewhere it's not always like unicorns
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  Speaker 1: and rainbows. You see arguments here and there. They weren't like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, devoid of that, but the vast majority it
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  Speaker 1: was like love and again, just like spending time on
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  Speaker 1: with each other. And I think when you have that
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  Speaker 1: structure in place, I think when you you can recognize
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  Speaker 1: like well you can just see it and you see
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  Speaker 1: it in yourself. You see the comfort you have with
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  Speaker 1: somebody you see um how much let's say this, it's
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  Speaker 1: like when you're doing direct with somebody, you kind of
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  Speaker 1: I think based on the interactions you see um where
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  Speaker 1: I see with my parents, it's like there's a level
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  Speaker 1: of comfort, level of understanding that I always see with
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  Speaker 1: my parents. And I think that's something I look for
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  Speaker 1: as well. I think we all look for it, and
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  Speaker 1: I think when you see it a lot, you can
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  Speaker 1: recognize it when you have it with somebody else, and um,
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  Speaker 1: it's rare, You're wrong. It's not easy to find, but
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  Speaker 1: when you when you find it, it's it's special. And
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  Speaker 1: I think having that being around all the time, you
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  Speaker 1: can recognize it when you find it when you find it.
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  Speaker 1: So I would say for that every reason, I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's the same way for all these final fours.
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  Speaker 1: Um that they also they are open to it and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, I'll know it when I find it, and
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  Speaker 1: if I've found it in this person, then I'll pursue
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  Speaker 1: it and see what happens. I apologize if I missed
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  Speaker 1: this or or forgot about it from the show. But
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  Speaker 1: have you have you been in love before? Like have
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  Speaker 1: you dated had serious relationships leading up to the show. Um, Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: I've had had a three year relationship and she was
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  Speaker 1: a great girl and I still, you know, have very
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  Speaker 1: fun memories and nothing but good feelings towards her. I've
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  Speaker 1: had a number of like one to two year relationships
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  Speaker 1: with part of that. Um, so general, I'm pretty much
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  Speaker 1: a serial monogamous ah in my life. That's what I've
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  Speaker 1: been in my life, and again it was that's another
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  Speaker 1: reason why I was like, let me try this thing,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I'm ready. I'm ready for that that
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  Speaker 1: next step. Obviously, the worst thing would be to force
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  Speaker 1: it and to rush into it and and take that
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  Speaker 1: step of somebody who may not be right for you.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm still waiting to find that person. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I'm still like not gonna just take that leap. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know that it's the right step and
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  Speaker 1: there and and we're the right right for each other.
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  Speaker 1: But I've definitely had a lot of love and I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that as well, because it is kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird, but I kind of think we're all worthy
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  Speaker 1: of love. On one hand, can I curse on this show?
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  Speaker 1: Is that this well kind of like we're all kind
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  Speaker 1: of assholes too on the inside, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like we're all kind of like like we're all not
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  Speaker 1: great human beings. We're all like selfish ish also, so
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  Speaker 1: we're both like dogs, especially get men, but we're also
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  Speaker 1: observing a love. I think there's this dichotomy where it's
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  Speaker 1: like you gotta like when you're first meeting somebody and
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  Speaker 1: first like you know, courting somebody and like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is why I'm the man, and then afterwards like later
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  Speaker 1: you're like man, But I hope they accept me for
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  Speaker 1: the piece of craft that I really am. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not really like if I'm going extremes to like, I
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  Speaker 1: hope they can set me for all my faults and
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  Speaker 1: all my like insecurities and everything after. So this is
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  Speaker 1: weird like interplay between like this uber confidence and this
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  Speaker 1: like real like you know, at least for me it is.
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  Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the guys that's my
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  Speaker 1: friend to speak is the same thing. So we totally understand.
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  Speaker 1: I've said multiple times on this show that like I
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  Speaker 1: find it annoying when people are like I deserve love,
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  Speaker 1: Like I can't believe I was cut. I deserve love.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure very few people out there, horrible,
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  Speaker 1: horrible people may not deserve love, but like pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: everybody on the Bachelor deserves love. It's uh, I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you this, Joe, um dr Joe. If you find
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  Speaker 1: love on this television show, that's that that that the mission.
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  Speaker 1: If you find love in this experience, I think the
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  Speaker 1: internet would break. I don't know of one cast member
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  Speaker 1: in the last year to two years that will be
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  Speaker 1: coming on the Paradise that would be more cheered for
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  Speaker 1: than you. You like grasp the hearts of people in
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  Speaker 1: a way. That's like, let's if if you've happen to
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  Speaker 1: have your love story play out and we can watch it,
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna freak out now, no pressure, But I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna be one of those people. I'm gonna be at
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  Speaker 1: my home tears in my eyes, cheering for you. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and just the whole experience in general. Hey, let's say
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  Speaker 1: a break here. When we come back, we're gonna dig
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit more to Joe's life, his experience
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  Speaker 1: coming up that's gonna be on Bachelor and Paris. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get him to confirm that first. We have had it tweeted,
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  Speaker 1: but let's get Joe to confirm it, and also talk
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  Speaker 1: about what's going on in uh in the Asian community
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to Asian Hey, hey, we'll be back
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  Speaker 1: for the Almost Famous podcast. We're back with doctor Joe Park.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Joe, when did you decide that you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be a doctor? WHOA That's a good question. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of always thought like if you looked at my
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  Speaker 1: like fifth grade, what do you want to do when
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  Speaker 1: you grow up? It was pediatrician. So I've kind of
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  Speaker 1: always wanted to be a doctor. Um, it just took
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  Speaker 1: a little bit longer. You know, I've worked for four
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  Speaker 1: years before med school. Um, I wasn't sure I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do it, but I was sure I was ready
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  Speaker 1: to commit to it. But I'm super glad that I
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  Speaker 1: had that time because it really helped me creates kind
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of like a philosophy as to I mean, I was
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: trying to hammer down why I wanted to be a doctor,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and I really I felt like during those four years
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I was able to form a good rationalist to why.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I like, that's something I want to pursue for the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: rest of my life. And so, um, I'm grateful for
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that time as well to kind of develop as a
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: human before, like being around humans in their time of need,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: their their their their most dire and um, some of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: their hardest side of their lives. And I think it
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: takes should have my own opinions, some life experience, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: some level of obviously empathy and understanding of people before
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you jump into that. So yeah, I was happy that
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I had that time. I feel like people must tell
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you all the time you must get the best reviews
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: on your bedside manner? Is this true? I get decent
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: reviews on the bedside of manner. Yeah. But I think
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it's just like I love people, you know I, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I just think it's such a privilege to be with
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: them at their in their moment of need. Like today,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I actually had a five year old girl who need
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: that connected me and I was I was leaving somebody
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: who was on overnight and she's in the room. She's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: just rolled into the room and with this weird shift
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: change where I didn't get to meet her before, and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: she's just laying there cry like like this really sad
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: because she's out her parents and this cold operating, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I just wanted like, hey, like hey, you're gonna be fine,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: like don't worry, like you're just gonna take a nap.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I wish I was taking an episode of you. Oh
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: my gosh, you're gonna be you gonna do great, And um,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I showed her all the stuff like this is just
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a light we're gonna put on your finger, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it's just like no nothing sharp. It's literally just a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: light here that here, that beating that's your heart, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: like just listen to it for se pretty cool. And
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: so it's just like, you know, yeah, again it's a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: privilege to be with this person. And then you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just to like because yeah, I mean, it's it's such
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a crazy field's medicine is so crazy to see people
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: so sick and you know, honestly even see inside their bodies.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It's just an intimate relationship you have with people. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: again it's it's not to be taken lightly. So um,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I love it. It's super interesting too, and I love it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: So after that, I just have to ask if they
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: put you on a lot of pediatric cases, I have
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to like, I get very interested in this medical stuff.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I've talked plenty of times. My dad is an antes
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: c C. I'll just like you yeah, yeah, And I
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: just I'm having this thirty three year old crisis that
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I wish that I became a dermatologist. I'm like, oh God,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is it too late to go back to the school.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It is because I didn't do pre med. Look, if
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I could just jump into it, I may do it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But I have I'd have like fifteen years of school.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It actually is probably too late for me. But do that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Do they put you on a lot of piatric cases
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: because that was just the sweetest story just shared. Um, yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I don't look for them. Sometimes they just kind of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: fall into your lap. And so mile of kids and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: again another life I would probably a patrician um. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean have to take care of young,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: old and everything in between. Seriously, whatever it comes my
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: way and I've been to see and take care of.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of buddies are in enthusiologist. What
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: is your source of entertainment during surgery? Because I know
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that you sometimes you have these long surgeries. You your
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: job isn't done, but it's kind of set up. What
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: is your what do you do why the surgery is
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: going on? Um? Not so really good's there's a lot.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of be weird. But like you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: always have to be aware of the monitors obviously because
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: those monitors represent the patient's life. Um. But sometimes with
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the stress, I have a stretch routine. Actually I do
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like a fifteen minute stressing stretching routine where I'm like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the monitors, I'm listening to the monitors,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm still like doing some arms, like doing hip.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So like I'll start and like now the surgeons know like, oh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it's just show doing it. They're not like what the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: hell it like because that will see me like squatted
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the ground, like what the hell is this guy doing?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: But you know I'm staring at the monitor just like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: for like in a weird low lunch and and yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: so do that. Um, sometimes I like the like, um,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Spanish flash I'm gonna span. I don't pick up Spanish
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: during the quarantine, so like like you know, flash card
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: here and there, like once you know, once in a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: while to look at a flash card here and there. Um,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I'll look at the surgery. There's so many different surgery
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: surgeries and everything is always changing and so that's the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: mean thing about medicine, and there's always something new, there's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: always something to learn. So a lot of times I'm
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: just staring at the surgery, just looking at the mondity
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like it's really interesting, like so what are you exactly
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you're doing here? So I'm I'm not saying I could
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: perform it happen back to me, but I think it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: talks someone through it pretty well better than like surgery resident,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I would say, but than a first year for sure.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's so much to go in
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: such a dynamic environment. Um, there's always something to be doing.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: So so after you took your four years in between
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: college and med school, where did you end up going
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to med school? I went to stony Brook School Medicine
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: out in Stonybrook, Loan. But I think now it's called Renaissance.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, it sound stony Brook' awesome place. Um
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it was there aren't that many. I mean, so as
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the further east you go a long on, the less sparse,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the more sparse it is the start of population. So
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Stonybrook was the pre eminent hospital UM in Suffolk County,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and so um, we saw a lot of interesting cases.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: We saw a lot of um intense surgeries. And uh
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: again I met some of my best friends in med school.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: So um again, I love my time at school. And
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and to your point, actually, like um, one you've got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: great skincer. Dermatology would be perfect for you. And to um,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I think I love the ride and and I mean,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like I know it's it's partably tongue in chief. They're saying,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you want to be dermatologist, but the ride
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: is good, you know, like med school is a lot
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of work, but like if you're doing what you really
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: want to do and you're around people who are just
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: so motivated and so smart, you're like you can't help,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but all like I feel like you're part of a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: special group. And again it's such a privilege once you
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: start doing clinical rotations and seeing like like when other
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: med school, I remember, I was I didn finance before,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and I was like, used to go to these meetings
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and we're talking about like growth and growth. I didn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: say find I did economic I did consulting. So it
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: was like before, yeah, yeah, so would you study in college?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: International affairs in college actually so very secutive, Like yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like a little jack of all trades,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: but it's an international affairs in college. Then I did
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: healthcare consulting in DC for two years, and then, um,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't I did Can's. I didn't research neual On
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: College of Research, Cattery, New York for two years. Um.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But during that time doing consulting, I'll go to these
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: meetings and the meetings would all be would always be
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: about like how to increase revenue, how to productivity, you know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: normal things that compan me you have to worry about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And then I went to med school and my meetings
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: were like how the human body works, and like how
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: drugs affected human body, and like um advances and cancer therapies,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is like what I have to do.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like just the juxta position of the two was so
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it was so different and and and and obviously so
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: much more interesting and importance, you know, in med school
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: then uh, in the in my role as a consultant,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: so kind of like reinforced. I'm like, man, I'm in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the right place. And if I have to spend you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like a night instead of answering emails and working on
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: a spreadsheet, if I have to study anatomy and figure
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: out the four chambers of the heart and how like
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the Thebesian veins work, like that is so much more interesting.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Then again, like any of these Excel spreadsheets and everybody
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: would find interesting. I mean, not everyone wants been that time,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but like I mean, I know, to figure it, to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: know how your heart works, I mean, you don't even
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: think about it, but it's beating eighty times a minute,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: every minute, twenty hours a day, Sundays a week, for
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: hopefully ninety years of your life. You think about it, right,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And it's such a beautiful thing to know how we
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: all work, you know, and it's um again, it's it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I loved it. And if you if you're really thinking
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: about it, I say you go for it seriously thinking
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: about sometimes going into like a physician's assistant thing. So
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it's not one um full school you know to that degree,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: but um, you know, like still being able to write
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: prescriptions and like understand the human body on a very
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: deep level. Yeah, yeah, I say prescriptions. Is that that's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: why I want. I think the weirdest thing I could say.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I just mean, like like you know, you're just a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: step below doctor. Yeah, I know you to care of people,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: which is the most important thing. You understand the human
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: body and need to take care of people with that knowledge,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and that's that's what this is all about. Well, speaking
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of taking care of people. Uh. You know, we we
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: love having people on this podcast, especially in depth, because
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: we can dive into some stuff that really matters in
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this world. Not that the Bachelor doesn't, but it doesn't
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: make the world go around. Uh. And it one of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the things that are coming up recently, um is uh
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: all the stories of Asian hate existing Uh, really around
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the globe, but you know, focused here in the US
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: because that's where we're living and that's where we're functioning. Uh.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: To kind of dive into this conversation if you don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: mind just sharing your story kind of what you're processing
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: through this, what you're learning and hearing, and then I mean,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: actually I would love to dig into this with you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Sure. I mean, this past year has
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: been I think a difficult time for everybody, literally everybody.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: The pandemic has difficult for like the six point seven
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: bill people would live on this planet. UM in the US,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you know obviously going BLM, which you know, really gained
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: further last June July UM and continues you know, UM
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to have that energy behind it. And yeah, recently, we're
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: not recently, but it's kind of been shown recently or
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: people are getting more aware of the hate and violence
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that Asians are to have been experiencing in the past
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: here as well. And it kind of took a little
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: bit of time for the numbers to come out, but
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: recently numbers came out that there's been there was a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: hundred increase in violence UM direct and hate directed to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: part Asian Americans and so you know, personally, it's such
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a weird dynamic because here I am right like me,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Joe Asian American, Korea American UM parents are again came
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: from Korea, and I'm on UM. I have this platform
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: with you guys, and thank you so much for having
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: me and letting me talk about this seriously. But here
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I am talking to you guys about this on this podcast.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I was on UM Reality Television showing a major American
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: UH network. UM. We have our first Asian American Vice President. UM.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: We have Poem Junho who won Best Director, Parris Site
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: won Best Film last year Academy Awards, Chloe's al One,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: UM the Golden World for Best Director for nomad Land
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: with Stevin Young, who's UH nominated for Best Actors Academy Awards. So,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: on one hand, there's been so much progress and this
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: is the maybe the best that's ever been in so
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: far from you know, Mickey Rooney's portrayal of Mr Indyoshi
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and Brexit tiffanies. At the same time, I know that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I see these stats increase in and hating violence to
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Asian Americans in I see videos of people Asian men, women,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: elderly people who look up who look like my mom
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and my dad getting attacked on a on a subway.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I see young Asian Americans getting punched in the face unprovoked.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And it's this stark contrast that's really hard. It's hard
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to get you wrap your head around. You know, it
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: is both is both the best of times and the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: worst of the times, and in so many ways. And um,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: it's definitely something that we're all coming to grips with,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: especially after this the shootings in the suburbs around Atlanta
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: where again eight people diet, six of whom were Asian
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: American women. So it's definitely something that is becoming more
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: recognized and more people aware of it. Here we are
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: talking about it, and I think that's that's that's that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: how you move forward. You know, It's not something that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: we see and we experience and we hear about and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we don't talk about, like when there's a problem in
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a relationship or between anybody between your coworkers, between your
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you know, your your parents, between your your your love,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: your love and your loved one, your your partner, Yeah,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: talk about it. And and here we are talking about it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And again that's that's the first step for sure. One
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: of the things. I mean, you just said it, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it's the best of times and the worst times, which
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: is a word that is now getting used a lot more,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: but it's a word that I think really encapulates this
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: whole time. It's disorienting, right, Like, how do you because
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: it's the best times and the worst times, how do
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you process as an Asian Asian American the disorientation within
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it all and to see the future, like the what
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: could become of the future. So I think again, it's uh,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: there have been so many groups in American history, UM
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that have suffered, and I think with Asians especially, we
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: are we are considered a model minority. We are considered
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: UM a group that somehow has become has been a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: special stizs they're doing fine, when in reality, well, in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: relative proportion lates New York City, there's a greater percentage
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of Asian Americans or Asians who are impoverished at any
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: other race. Asians living in like tenements in Chinatown. It's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: just not talked about because the people in main street
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: society you see, are the doctors, are the finance people,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: are the lawyers. UM. I just think that recognition of
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that is the first step, and again, I love that
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: we can have this conversation again, even within the hate
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: best of times worse times. Now more people haven't heard
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: about Vincent Chin, about the murder of an Asian American
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: man Ninette two for nothing. For another reason, aside from
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the colors cham, more people are becoming or reacclimating themselves
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: with Japanese internment camps, Japanese determent camps during World War
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Two where American citizens were forcibly removed from their homes,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the Predi determent camps in the United States in the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen forties. We're learning about French Cormazi during that same era,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and so there's a lot that people are being exposed to,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and again these conversations are what's going to help. Again.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: First is like that knowledge that oh, shoot, I didn't
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: even know about that. I didn't know. You know, China
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: inclusion active too, I've never heard of that before. Maybe
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you hear about that, and if with mempathetic herd, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: in a curious mind a little bit of both, you
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: learn more about it and you understand the struggles of
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: people you know who you can't obviously put into one
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you know, single like there's no monolithic Asian culture. You know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: we are all individuals, and I think knowing the struggle
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that a group has has already been doing and then
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they continues to go through, especially in the past year
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and currently, helps appreciate maybe a little bit like man,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know, just straight up, it was a lot of
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: my life would have been a lot easier if I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was white, if I had the exact same stats, if
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I had the exact same grades, if I was exact
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: same everything except for the pigment of my skin, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: might be in a better place right now. And if
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: someone had darker or their eyes are a little smaller,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: maybe I might be in a word like that, those
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: people might be the worst place for no other reason,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: but that I think just recognizing that is would take
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: us so far. I think that's kind of how I'm pressed.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible thing that's happening, obviously to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: people who look like me, but also great that people
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: are talking about. What do you think the correlation is
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: between the rise evasion hate this year and the current virus?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that there is? I mean, without question,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the rhetoric of the past administration UM has did a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: lot of damage to um or helped stoke the flames
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that you know, it didn't cause it. You can't say
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it was the reason why people had anytime there's a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: bad there's something negative in anyone's life, especially on a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: big scale. We all it's human nature to want to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: blame something or something. That's just human nature. And knowing
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: where this, you know, this virus originated from, I think
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: it's easy to say, you know, okay, well it's because
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of these people. Even though these people, anyone who's been attacked,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I would bet any amount of money, they have zero
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: connection to this middle size city, you know, on the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: other side of the globe. Like the idea that you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Noel Quintana who got slashed from the year to year
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: on a yr Stay subway, has any relation to Wuhan,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: China is It's insane And I think that's unfortunately, two
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: people who want to blame have you know, give blame
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to something, to someone. People are angry with the situation
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and who which a lot of people are, and and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: and and and understandably so, and they wanted to blame.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It's a natural human reaction to want to blame someone.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately that blame has been put on people who
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: look like me, you know, Asian Americans. Um, and I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: think it's the same as Like, it's like, what if
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: instead of Asian Americans, all of a sudden we knew
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it came from people's freckles, and everyone's freckles. People were
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: punching the face on the street randomly. We're saying like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the nastiest things too, or being literally like with a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: box cutter, sliced, like, because it's freckles, it's the same thing. Well,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: what is it his lives? What if it's people with
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: his lives spread the disease? Now everyone is like attacking
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: people with his lives, Like, I think that would help
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Americans of all colors and all of you know, from
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: all backgrounds. I understand how arbitrary it is to attack
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: any Asian American you know, and or through any like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: hateful words towards them and hate towards them because of
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a random happenstance of genetics and mutations and animal transmissions
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that happened again, completely randomly, in this random city in China.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: There's a long history of viruses being named after the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: place of origin, you know, Um, West Nile, Spanish flu.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like this is a pattern that needs
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to stop for this reason that we're seeing. Um, thankfully,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you know, the coronavirus is just a class of virus.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: But I think more I think it's okay to understand
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: origins of things. I think it's it's wrong to know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you know, how things came about, um, the reasons they
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: came about anti scedens. I think it's important to understand
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: these things, but I think it's to the next level
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: is to educate all you know, ourselves and knowing that
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like because it comes from China. You know a city
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in China, you know, one city, that capital you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like that capitulates one seven billion people who live there,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's no relation. You know, that city
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: is relationship probably to the rest of the country and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that and nobody in the United States has any relations
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to that little city in that big country. You know.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Like it's so I think it just takes another level
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: where it's like just because named after something, I mean,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: it's the fault of the people there. You know that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it exists. You know, that is a fact of globalization,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: you know of yeah, just the reality of the times're
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: living in. I mean, there's you go on and on
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: about why pandemics occur. And I think we're almost lucky
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that it hadn't happened earlier. You know, you could have
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: happened in China, but it could easily come out of
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you know, Europe, you know, And I think, again it
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But it's like the first cases of the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: coronavirus spread from Asia, from Asia to Europe and then
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to the United States. So but again it doesn't matter,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like we're all sharing this burden together, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: pandemics happen. It sounds crazy, but they happen. And hopefully
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: it won't happen again in our lifetimes, but it's going
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to happen again. It's not the fault of the place
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: of origin that it happens, like, it's just a fault
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of biology and and in human globalization and interaction with
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: different spieces of antal sayment. That's just a different conversation
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the thing that this is bringing up. And and I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: really would love to hear your perspective on it. And so,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, has been an interesting year, right because as
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you said, there's a burden that we're all universally caring, caring,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: but in the midst of that we've had, uh, some
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: some movements come up, some knowledge that have been brought
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to the attention of especially the American people, to say
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: there's some injustice going on in the world. These things
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: have been happening for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Now
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: now it's now it's in front of us, and it's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: almost like it feels like almost time. Okay, what's the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: decision gonna make? Are you going to choose to start
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: trying to heal and to help or to hurt more
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and to change your redoric to be even more hurtful. Okay?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So what I'm getting at is, how do we, now,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in the midst of knowing there's so much injustice that
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: is around us every day, how do we get in
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: front of it as people so that it doesn't happen
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to have have to have a increase in violence, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to have the death of people of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: color at the hands of others for us to finally
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: take notice. So in your life right now, because you're
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: a smart dude, oh, I know, I can learn a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: lot from How are you now paying attention and staying
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: curious to what other injustices are happening around us? So
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't take this again. Um, that's a really
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: really good question. Um. I think all of us, myself included,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I think we all have preconceived notions. And that's again,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that's the human condition to have that, that's part of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: how we just you know, this is how we operate.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: But just to know, I think one as far as
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: hate goes person all, I think it's empathy and just
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: knowing kind of what I've been saying kind of already,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like it's on a broken record, but knowing that person
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: in front of you, whoever, whatever color, whatever you know, race,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: whatever relations, wherever they're from, whatever gender like you, you
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: may not know who they are, but what you do
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: know what you probably do know. You don't know where
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: they're from. You know, you don't know how they grew up,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: You don't know the struggles they went through. But what
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you probably do know they want the same things that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you want out of the life. They want to be loved,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: they want to be heard, they want to feel appreciated.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: They have family that they care about or friends that
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they really care about and wanted to be safe. Um.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: They want their needs Metum, And so knowing that, again,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like how much we all are the same. I think
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it's that is the first step. Like you know that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Nigerian immigrants. I don't know him or her at all,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: but I do know you know his namber as a child.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I know how the struggle. We're not here an accident.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think like, oh man, what are you doing?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I think man, like it took you that much. You
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: know another language fluently, but it took you that much
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: just to learn the language. How many Americans know two language?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You know, like it's a falter of America. But like
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: even actually I'm like good for you man, or or
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a girl like you know, like thank you for putting
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in that effort to like meet me at my level.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And I think, just again, keeping having that empathy, which
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: is kind of a function that makes us human. Having
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: an empathy is like such is like that first step
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: and just pausing and all, like whatever you can seem
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: to hate or negative you have towards somebody or some group,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: just think for a second, like what don't you know
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: about that? Like what do you really know about that
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: person on the street? What do you really know about
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: that person? Or that person the next year, or that
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: person on the subway or that person like you know anywhere,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and like how much again as a human being, do
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you think you can relate with? You know, like I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: just think there's so much more we all have in common.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think once you realize that, like we'd all be good,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Asian, black, like whatever you are, wherever you are.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that binds us alid, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: like we're all we're all doing the best we can,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Like I said, to start this thing, and and that's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: where it starts. You know, no one, everyone's just trying
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the best. You're the best joke part. You're awesome, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: will see. On a societal level though, I do think,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: like again, um, do you think representation in the government
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and government and in social media? Like there's also populations
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to get a little more in like Middle America. Who's
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: never met an Asian person the matter men never met
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a Jewish person, Maybe they don't never met a black
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: person before, and so that's when like social media media matters.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: That's why I like Black Panther was such a breakthrough.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Right to have a predominantly African American ca asked as
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: like heroes and someone on your poet, like on your
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: wall you have black you know, Black Panther, and why
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I'm still happy about the strides that Asian American cinematographers
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: made because there's this push pull between like norms and
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: ideas of society and social media and not social media,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: but and media, mass media and sometimes a lot of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: times and I think unfortunately Bachelor is just again reflective
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: of society, but there's sometimes where like again hopefully with this,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I think right now, this this this Asian and Asian
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: American renaissance in movies, it's like there's this pull that's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: like yo, like there's some really good actors and great filmmakers,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and it makes me think like they're not just the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: karate the guy who knows karate or the computer for
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the or the dorkey dude, you know, like there are
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: levels to this, as there are any everybody. Anyway, Well,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you were one of the few Asian men on The Bachelorette.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Why do you think there's been so few? Do you
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: think it's for lack of applicants or just casting choices
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: that that is such a fair question. I really think
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it's probably more the former. I mean to be on
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: this show. I talked talked about this when I was there.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: There there's so many like and you guys both know
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: there there's so many like things you have to go
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the filters you have to go through. You need a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: certainly like you need to have a certain amount of
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: time off. First of all, to be able to go
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: on the show. You need to be a certain like
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: age range. You need to um honestly probably have a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: certain look like you know, and physique, Um, you have
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to go through some other like health related tests they
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: have to go through. So to still all of that
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: down and also to know, um, in the audience it
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: attracts and who watched the democratic, the people who watched
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: show where fans this show? I really think, like I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: wonder how many Asian people apply to be on the show.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I don't. I would imagine very very few, And so
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: in fairness to the franchise, I kind of think it's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's a bit of both, you know, Like, I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: don't know how many people Asians could fit all these filters.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: It would be tough. It's a fair question. Excuse me
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: for not being able to ward this as eloquently as
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I would like. I feel like the Asian community has
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: certain values that perhaps don't aligne with the franchise. Do
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you think that do you think that that could be
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: why there are fewer of that race that apply. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: think that's that's a fair point, actually, and I thank
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you for being even like comfortable up to ask that,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you know, seriously, because that's was worded perfectly. I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that's fair. I think, you know, as a culture, we're
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: just told to just say, like, just work hard, like,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: don't try to stand out too much, be humble. Um,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: being on television in front of like six million people,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: like the opposite of like most of the values, especially
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of people who are like children of immigrants, you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: especially immigrants like yo, like you don't make a scene,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: just like like let your like the body of your
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: work speak for itself, you know, get the grades, you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: excel in the arts and athletics. I mean it, just
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like speak excellent. And let that, you know, show anyone
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: who wants to see it, or any I think you
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: apply to let that be evidence of your of who
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you are, not like go on a TV show and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like show the world, you know, like how brave or
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: how stupid you are, how how whatever whatever you want
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to say, we are on that show. So I think
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that's fair yeah, I think, um, that's probably part of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: it too. Like, no, I don't think anybody was, like,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know who. A many people grow up and say,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: oh man, I can't wait, I really want to be
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: on the realized of a show. I think very people
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: say that, but I think I literally nobody friends growing
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: up said well, Joe, we appreciate you, um having this
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: conversation with us. We're gonna take a break here. When
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: we come back, we have a few more minutes left
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: with you. We're gonna talk about this rumor that's swirling
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: around that you are the first conformed, confirmed contestant in
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and Paris. We're gonna find out that's true or not. Uh.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: And then we also have a little game that actually
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: always loves to play with our guests. Uh. We'll be
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: back with Dr Joe Park on the Almost Famous podcast.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: All right, now for the question our audience has been
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: waiting for, Joe, are you going to paradise? Like Rob
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Mills tweeted, I remember the last time you spoke with
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: us back in October November, you said that you hoped
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to be in a relationship by the time filming rolled around.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So what's up? You know? Sometimes your hopes go un fulfilled,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: and that is the case with this whole relationship thing
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: as well. Um, as far as Paradise, you know, yeah,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I saw the tweet, and I saw a couple of
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: articles on in a few and like prominent like magazines
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: doing like a deep dive. Um, So to that, I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: would say, I am not confirmed to go to Paradise.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's my vibe. They didn't get permission
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to put that out there. No, well, we're gonna wait
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and see about this because, uh, dr Joe, you might
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: not know it yet, but I think you've already been
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: signed up for Paradise, so you better start figuring out
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: how to get that time off. Because the headlines I've
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: been eating kind of my eSTREAM like four times of
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the week. I hope it's not I'm not ready. Just fine.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Uh well, if you if you were going the Paradise, Um,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: if your parents like watching the show, like, is this
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: something that they enjoy doing for me on the Bachelor
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: at Like? Are they are they pushing it and pumped
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: for it? My parents are always kind of like nervous.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're ever that excited, but they
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I knew they're into it. Um. I think my parents
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: were similar in the sense they weren't nervous for me,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: like this is something you really want to do, Like
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: what do you want to gain from this? Like what
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: are you really trying to get out of this? And
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I tell them, you know, doing enough for the followers, baby,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like I tell, I tell, I just tell them, like yeah,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: it's just a random thing to do, and like, you know,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: you only live ones and it's just like again, like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I tell them, like look at your story, look at
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you know, James and Miller brothers, or look at my
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: younger brothers story, like lightning can strike, you know, it
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: struck a couple of times already in our family. Like
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: just to say it doesn't you can happen again. And
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: so I say, like, you know, I'll try not to
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: embarrass you. I can't make it any promises, Like I
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: wonder what happened had I lost that we played from
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: dodgeball in my season, But I wonder what would happened
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: if I lost, you know, like I thank god I
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: never had to go. You know, you have to face that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: But I think they just really want to make sure
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: it's something that I want. And again, if I decided
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: they support it, and so that's why they're good parents.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: That's right. Well, yeah, we'll wait and see. We'll be
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: fancy here. We'll hopefully have you back on. You've been
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: a friend of the podcast. Um, you've been on a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: few times now. We always appreciate it. So if you
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: do conform firm or if you don't, uh, you still
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: manage to us uh and we we do always hope
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to be watching you. Now here's a part we're gonna
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: get into bachelor headlines in just a second with you.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: We're gonna speed through those. But before we do, to
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: close this segment of Dr Joe Park's In Depth episode,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Ashley always has a rapid fire around with our guest
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and she is definitely set one up for you. So Ashley,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: take it away. Okay, what is your favorite case to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: do to do anesthesia on? What's a good question? I like, um,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: near replacements is weird, but I'll tell you why. One.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I love taking up elderly patients, like kids and elderly
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: a like favorite UM, but our elderly patients are like
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the most the realist people ever and I love just
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the real honest like, hey, how are you doing they're
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like that's a great you know, like I'm here in
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the hospital, like what do you mean? I just love
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: their their realness. And with that you actually actually do
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch of nerve blocks after the procedure. Is kind
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: of fun to like do something that's like not just
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: like treating them and keeping them comfortable, but also something
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: therapeutic um and helps them with their pain after the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: procedure for the next day. And it's a lot of
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's like an anatomy and it's like technical skill and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: again all that together is um that's what's part of
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: like a like a joint like a near replacement. So
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: and then what the experiences are pretty fun, they're pretty
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: um it's like a fun group. So I appreciate like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: their personalities and stuff too. So they were usually the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: jocks in school. Yeah, they're they're definitely no medical like
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: stereotype is more true at the time. But like when
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: you see that tall jack dude, you're like, that guy's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: not the ex surgeon, Like you just know it, you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you just it's it's you can see it from mile away.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, usually the surgeons picked the music in the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: O R. So what are you usually excited to hear
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you know that's true, you know in my um, in
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: in our ours, it's it's more diplomatic. And uh, recently,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I like, yeah, like yesterday we listened to um a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: little Lauren Hill unplugged you know, to bring back to
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor. We all loved. I'm sure like we're all
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: kind of in the same ageans mis education to Lauren
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Hill and um that was seminal record album and she
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: had a great unplugged album and and uh, I got
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: off My Piece of Mind and Matt James had on
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: his like recent like post. I was like, man, I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: haven't got song in years, and so that's exactly a question.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: But that was the one song I played recently. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and the Orthopedic Surgeon, I was like, bave and with
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: it two and He's like, she messes up here and
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh dude, like again another reason why,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: um again I love the door procedures. And yeah, that
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: was kind of like the most memorable song and some
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: choist that recent memory awesome. What is your typical night
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: look like when you get home from work? You know,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: normally I get home from work, um a palace of
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: energy drinks and that I do a podcast. That's pretty
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: much this is no Normally I'll either I'll play um
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: a little guitar. Um, I'll uh like Spanish touring online. Um,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait a couple of adjustable wait in my
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: my closet over here. So I was like, do you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like to workout? And now the weather is getting great?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of goals for like this next year,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and uh, marathon is one of them. So I've been
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: running a lot and the weather is getting better. So
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: running a lot. Um, yeah, New York and in the
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: spring is beautiful. So the more you speak, the more
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I wonder, how the hell are you're single? I think
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: it's that you haven't found somebody worthy of you yet. Um,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: what was your last date? When? And what did you do?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: M you know it was pretty show. This is like
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: you haven't you become like the Bachelor? Um? This is
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: not I'm not even this is not like um podcast
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: like reality like reality. This is like reality reality, a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: sad reality. Yeah it's true. It's it's a weird thing.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And then you guys can relate like and I've been
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: last time around, You're like, yo, like look at those
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: d ms. But I did not heat your advice. UM,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I've just been kind of like again trying to hopeing.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping it happens kind of like naturally,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: kind of in the real world kind of. Um, but
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic is tough. So the last thing I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: went on was months before the show. I went on
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: a hike. This is with the girl and I before
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: the show contact me. It was like early, like the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: pre spring, like right like Perry Spring, right right as
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I was trying to spring weather was getting good. Run
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: on a hike, went on the hike and over Yeah,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: probably about a year ago. Yeah, I can look at
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: my phone with the pictures. It's a beautiful day. And
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I've seen this person a few times. And on the
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: last time I saw her, as you were driving back
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: to the hike, she was like, I'll probably tell you something.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, like you know, it was a
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: great time. I tried out something and she said, um,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I'm married, and I was like, I was like, was like,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I was like and she was not from the US.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, what did you say you were married?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: And she's like no, no, no, I said I'm married.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: And you could kind of probably imagine how the conversation
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: was from there. Wow, so only it's only up from there,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm s a very
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: low place. I think from there I could just everything
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: is yeah. Okay, Well, I think we're going to move
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: on now to our some of our headlines, and we
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: would love if you could join us for some of them.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Because your friend Bennett, who you've hang out with a
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: good amount of time and recently did from was the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: top of the rock that you guys did the flying
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: scene from the Edge the Edge now okay, sorry, they rebranded. Okay,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: so you did different side, different different places, different Okay.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: It's really cool. You guys pretended to be Jack and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: rose Um. But it looks like Bennett wants Kelly to
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: be his rose. He kind of he kind of put
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: his he threw a shot out there Um on Instagram
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: this week saying that she caught his eye. So you
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: think that there could be some romance there if they
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: both end up in Paradise. That's a great quick First
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: of all, I want to give a shout out to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Bennett because before that we went to an API rally
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and I told him, hey, I'll meet you there. I'm
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: going to this rally. Ben, It's like, if you're going,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going, you don't want to support. So he came
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to um um an anti Asian hate rally with me beforehand.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: So um, obviously I love the man for that, but
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: we um to that point. You know, Kelly flannag and
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: catched a lot of people's eyes in fairness, So see
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: one of the one of the like one of the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: parents of eyes that she has caught. Yeah, I think so,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I absolutely think so. Yeah, she's um, super intelligent, she's
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: super attractive, Like I think a lot of people are
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: shooting their shot. He's just very obviously that it. And
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: he's a confident guy, very good looking, very successful. Why
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to take that shot? Um, I definitely think
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: there there might be something there on Paradise if if
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: they're both but they both find themselves there, I would
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: the chance of sparks is very high. Could there be
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: some hostility between you and him? For Kelly, if you
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: guys both ended there, ended up there because it sounded
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: like you just protr um. I don't know Kelly and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: uh at all. I didn't see that season with Peter
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Um actual didn't meet p Peter you're nice play on
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a flag football team. Now, so I know Peter, I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: don't know Kelly. Um, but but if I but but
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: but if we meet and if I want to go
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: on Paradise too, if we meet three, if if we
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: get along, then um yeah, there might be you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: there might be a little attention there. But we'll see.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of a lot of a lot
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: of it is there. But you know, teach gentlemen. I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: feel like we could work it out amicably or we'll
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: just have to do like a gun dual one or
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: the other. We'll see. Next headline, Joe, that we love
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: for you to share insight on is Kathy Low recalls
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: facing damaging racial slurs and powerful plea to end anti
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Asian violence is according to E News, Joe, when you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: hear this and read this, did you experience anything like this? Uh?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: And uh? And the story goes on to say this
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: just so he hasn't back on a very young age
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the bachelors, Katherine Low rights in an s A d E.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: My sisters and I were called mongrels because my Filipino
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: mother had children with a Caucasian man. Um, Joe, when
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: you hear this headline you read that quote, what do
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you think, Um, you know, obviously it's it's hurtful. Um.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: And I think all of us, you know, who grew
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: up honestly, I think everyone who didn't grow up white
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: in a prominantly white area, and I assume she did
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: um or non age area, which is pretty much every
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: area out to like parts of California. We all, I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: think we all experienced some level of of of ye
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: racism when we grow up, and it's hurtful and unfortunately,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: like when we're young, you know, we don't we don't
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: live our life back where it's like there's some things
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that when we're young and I just attribute a certain age.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: But when our hormones are like still like kind of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: like forming and our brain is still like so undercooked,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: it's still so doughey that it's when it solidifies. Even
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: though we can rationalize these are just you know, children,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: they didn't know any better. Um, and I bet now
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: they do still like once that hormonal experience has solidified,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: that's still you still feel it. And and I feel
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: her pain. And again I'm just happy that maybe it
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: took this moment for to talk about that, and maybe
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: that's like some Catharsist for her to say, hey, like,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: here's my story and now people are willing to listen
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to it in this moment especially and here we were
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: talking about it again, and so I think it's great
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: and I and I and I aplaud her for courage
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and a brave ready to be able to talk about
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: this paincil memory nobody. Obviously it's not easy to talk about,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: specially in a public form. And so um, I think
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of people you know, of every background, who's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: not who's any other of any form or relate and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: hopefully they'll they'll know, hey, like and I was okay,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and it's still hurt that her doesn't go away, but
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: like you'll be all right to you know, just like
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: get through it and hope and again times are changing, hopefully,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and so um, I just want to, yeah, just thank
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: her for it for doing that. The final headline that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: we really want to read through with you and here
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: if you could relate or if you felt this as
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: well as Sydney uh, let's talk go from Colton season
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: said she felt the pressure of the entire Asian race
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: filming The Bachelor. That's the headline. Ac Corny to US Weekly,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I I didn't really think about it because I didn't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: watch the show. I had no idea of the postive
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of Asians in on the franchise. M's all. I was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: there and like the producers, some of the producers was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: really close with, like to say, hey, just by the way, man, like,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: we haven't had people like you on for like, your
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: story is not the normal story. And I think while
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I was there, I kind of started thinking about it
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: more and I said this on Nick Bills podcast, and um,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I'll say it again. There's just one hand with her names. Tino.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I love Tino, Tino, I love you man. He was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: such a great guy and we would talk late at
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: night and at times when I was like feeling down
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: or like I was like, man, like what am I even?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: What am I doing here? You guys know that long nights.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I'll just reminded of this Jay Z quote for Mezzo,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: which is I do this from my culture and a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: little bit I was like, Yo, you're representing yourself first,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and formance was lost your family and maybe to like
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: so many people, especially honestly in Middle America in the South,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: maybe don't I haven't seen Asian man before, like in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: life and not even like on TV and the movies,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: like maybe you might be one of the first people
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: they're getting to know a little bit, and so yeah,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: you felt a little bit, and so I definitely empathize
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: with her that way. Well, before we let you go,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: you got to create a headline for us. Now, if
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: you were to go to Paradise, who do you want
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: to see there? That's so easy, Brendan, Uh, you took
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the easier. Now took so sweet though, it's very sweet.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: It was almost so sweet that I'm going to say,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: just as good as if you gave us a girl's name. Well, Joe,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: dr Joe Park, thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: We're gonna continue with bachelor headlines. We're gonna let you
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: go so you can get some rest, you can learn
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: some Spanish, player tar drinks, more energy drinks, stay awake
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: for as long as possible. Um, I really appreciate you, ma'am.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Been great, get to know you better, and we hope
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: to see back here soon. So wonderful having you. Actually, Ben,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it's always great being on your podcast, and thank you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: so much for providing and seriously, it's great to talk
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: to you and thank you for your thoughtful questions and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: UH and you and everything else. Man, Hey, we'll talk
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: to you soon, Joe. We're gonna take a break here
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: with the almost famous podcast. When we come back, we're
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: gonna continue with Bachelor headlines. It's always a pleasure having
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: a guest on doing an in depth episode. These are
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: some of our favorite uh in the off season. Dr
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Joe Park was incredible. We're gonna finish the podcast here
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: with bachelor headlines that are happening right now as we speak.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: We're gonna start with this. Matt James returned to Instagram.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: He wipes the Bachelor from his profile. This according to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: US Weekly. Yeah, super interesting. So we all know, or
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: if you listen to this podcast, you know that last
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: week he deleted all the photos from his Instagram anything
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that was promotional of the Bachelor. Now the only photo
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: that refers to the Bachelor is his response to UM
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: the Chris Harrison interview. UM. He also has listed he's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: not He's not the Bachelor in his BIA or anything
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: like that. He has listed real estate is his profession,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: c b r E as his place of work. He
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: says that he's a believer and that life revolves around
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: his work at the ABC Food Tours and uh yeah,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: so it seems like he's trying to put the Bachelor
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: in his past, literally and figuratively. He is back on Instagram,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: though Matt James can be seen back on Instagram. Well, uh,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: next inline is this inside Claire Crawley's very romantic forty
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: birthday get away with Dale moss Is. According to the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: News yep, last week we told you that the two
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: of them were spotted giving each other mask kisses in
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: New York City. What looks that he followed her back
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: to California for the last week of March for her
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: forty birthday. They went to Napa. They were by the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: pool together, they had champagne. It was, according to a source,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: everything that Claire wanted for her birthday. Happy, Happy, to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: clear Crawley and it sounds like her and Dale are
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: still hanging out. We'll call it that for now. Uh.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: In a Resa interview Sitting to the Taco, who we
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: just spoke about with Dr Joe Park a second ago
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: with US Weekly, she revealed a lot. It's a great interview,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Eric and anybody going out and checking out, it's with
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: um they're here for the Right Reasons podcast. But she
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: also says this sitting of the Taco recall recalls Bachelor
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Colton Underwood playing favorites the most contestants quit. She says
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: this according to US Weekly, Yeah, basically, it's basically the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: headline is is the article. She She said that it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: was obvious that he was playing favorites, and and then
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like didn't make them feel good about themselves
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: seeing him look at other girls a certain way and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: then not give them attention. And that was kind of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: what put the nail on the coffin for her when
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: she decided to leave on her own. Blake Hortzman reveals
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: why he doesn't regret releasing Kaylin miller Keys text after
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise drama. This according to US Weekly as well. So,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: if you guys remember during that season of Bachelor in Paradise,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: which was almost a year and a half ago, um,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of he said, she said, and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Blake put out some texts that happened between him and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and Kylin during that infamous Stagecoach weekend, and he said
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: that he's never going to feel guilty for defending himself
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and for showing up to fight for himself. He said
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: that he was told that he shouldn't put anything out
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: about it. They really as a show. They didn't want
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: him releasing anything that happened off the show. So but
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: but he said, I can't. I have to defend myself. Well.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: In a recently released text thread that is getting a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: lot of um conversation going right now, Evan Bass jokes
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: about Carly Waddale split and dating again during brief Instagram return.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: This according to US Weekly, also, this is all just
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: very silly. Um. Evan was in Mexico and he was
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: there getting dental surgery, and the night before he was
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: just texting with Carly and they were kind of it
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: seemed a little bit flirty, like a little tongue in cheek,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: um about I believe if he died in surgery, who
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: she would marry next. So there's like some silliness there.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: And um she was there was like a like a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: little bit of playfulness because of his Italian heritage and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: like that she should never marry another Italian again. The
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: bottom line to me from this story is that Carly
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: and Evan are still talking and and they are in
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: a playful sense, So who knows what could come of this?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: That being said, When asked on Instagram whether or not
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: he and Carly could get back together again, he quoted
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Humpty Dumpty, which was all the King's horses and all
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: the King's men dot dot dot. We know the rest
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: of the rhyme couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: So I think that's alluding to them not being able
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to figure it out. Who knows. Stay tuned, it's wild. Well.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Speaking of former Bachelor couples, Bachelrettes Ashley he Bear reunites
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: with a strange husband Jp Rosenbaum says they're best friends
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: forever after split. This according to US Weekly, Yeah, it's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: kind of surprising to me. It just seemed like they
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: didn't end on the most positive note. But over the weekend,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: she posted an Into story of the two of them together,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: and she said too cool for school. Too cool for school,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: as she teased in a playful way again her strench
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: husband um and she captioned the Instagram story best friends forever,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: which is great. I'm glad that they're on such good terms. Well,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor's Jason Tartek reveals plans to start a family
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: with Caitlin Bristow. This, according to Hollywood Life. Yeah, it's
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: a juicy headline, but there's not much to go with it,
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  Speaker 1: but we can confirm that they're both wanting a family. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and he said that in an ideal world, they would
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  Speaker 1: love to have twins. I think they just want to
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  Speaker 1: bang it out, but they said that, he said, I
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  Speaker 1: think we're in the perfect situation for kids. UM, twins
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  Speaker 1: would be nice, but just a happy kid would be
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  Speaker 1: what we what we desire. Well in the final headline
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  Speaker 1: and also some more baby news inside Pregnant Lauren Burnham
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  Speaker 1: and Ari Liondyke Juniors Hawaii baby moon ahead of twins birth.
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  Speaker 1: I know the two of them went on a baby
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  Speaker 1: moon this week. All the photos are on Instagram. Cute
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  Speaker 1: content for sure, so UM follow follow that they I
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  Speaker 1: feel like Hawaii is a very special place for them.
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  Speaker 1: I think the baby moon thereby, I'm not sure, but
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  Speaker 1: that's when they got married. It's a special time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this has been another Almost Famous podcast and in depth
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  Speaker 1: episode with Dr Joe Park. I want to think Dr
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  Speaker 1: Joe Park for coming on and give us so much time. Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: as always, you're the best. We're gonna be back next
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