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Revenge Porn: The Dark Side of Digital Privacy Violations · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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[MUSIC]
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Listen, I'm here for Free the Nipple.
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If that's what the owner of said Nipple, so desires,
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we have to admit that the fact that laws in the US and in any particular state
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and question didn't prevent something like this from happening to an unsuspecting minor,
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a child, that's problematic.
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[MUSIC]
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Oh, hello.
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Hello.
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime.
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How frequently I bite my lip, also the paranormal.
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And I don't know some other stuff too.
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A lot of other spooky stuff in the Pacific Northwest.
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Yes.
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PNW, if you're nasty.
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We also talk about some tarot at the end of the episode.
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We do a little card poll just for a little deeper insight into our topic for the day.
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Yeah, that's true.
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It's fun.
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Yeah, sometimes I take a brief break from chewing on my own face to do that.
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I was going to say your lip chewing is kind of like true crime and paranormal.
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I don't know about that, but cannibalism.
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Yeah.
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Oh, goodness.
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Oh, hopefully that's not your story today.
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No.
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Okay, good.
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So I can't handle it today.
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No, no cannibalism.
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Actually, that's one that I haven't really covered frequently.
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It doesn't come up in a lot of my cases.
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I feel like it did come up.
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It has.
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Okay.
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But it's one of my no-nose.
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So, yeah.
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So I kind of tend to, I guess, gravitate towards other things.
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Yeah, the only cannibalism we like is like the Kesha song, you know?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactimundo.
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I just realized I'm still all zipped up
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than you're a tracksuit.
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I was going to say what did you call this earlier tracksuit.
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I'm basically just wearing pajamas.
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These are pajamas, okay?
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It's a tracksuit, whatever.
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Okay, you're making it sound worse than it is.
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I just heard it.
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Early 2000s tracksuit.
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I'm surprised it's not bright pink.
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Oh my god, I hate you.
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I hate you and Chris because he said,
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does it say juicy on the ass?
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I love it.
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They're coming back.
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You're very in fashion right now.
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I never had a juicy tracksuit.
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Meaning there.
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Yeah, I wasn't that cool.
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I feel like this isn't the point in my life where I'm going to start either, you know?
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Like, I had like a pair of the pink sweatpants that said pink on the butt.
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Oh yeah.
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Victoria's secret, but that was it.
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Yeah.
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And they were like low rise, so they didn't even fit on my butt because my butt is big fat juicy.
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One, I think at the point where that was really, really popular,
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that's when I worked at the Victoria's Secret at the mall.
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So I got all kinds of, all kinds of stuff.
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Thongs 5 for 25.
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Yeah.
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Oh my god.
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Now it was like 10 for 25 sometimes.
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It was just like, we'll pay you to take them.
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Please, we have too many.
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Yeah.
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Extra small.
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Extra extra small.
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A flash.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, I wanted to show, this is one of the shirts that I made for an event.
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And we had a couple of people comment on Patreon recently that they're like,
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where can I get that shirt?
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And I was like, oh, I guess technically you can.
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Because I just signed it.
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And it was like partially a design that tail in did.
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And I like did some other little like, tweaky things to it and ordered it for my science.
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They're so cute.
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Eventually we'll get them up for people.
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We just, yeah, I, I, I time to figure it out.
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Yeah, I commented on Patreon though actually that I was going to try to make like an official,
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get my shit together basically and make an official like announcement and let people know.
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I was thinking we should do a,
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I keep wanting to call it like a pre order.
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But it's, I mean, I guess technically a pre order, but also not.
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But just do like a limited merch run for the Patreon and put this bad boy in there.
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Yeah, so I was thinking I might try to do that.
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And I basically just have people sign up and let us know if they want there.
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If you want one because we don't want to print a bunch if nobody wants them.
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But they're so cute.
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They're super cute.
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You should have told me I would have worn mine today.
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Well, I'm kind of cold.
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So I'm in a sweater.
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I was going to say I almost brought my heat up blanket and I'm kind of regretting.
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I think I have a heating pad if it gets desperate.
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So yeah, we're just talking about that.
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I have a headache and it feels good when my head is cold,
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but not when the rest of my body is cold.
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Yeah, it's a complicated situation.
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Where my migraine people say it.
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Cheers.
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Cheers.
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Or the one who wants to make for your brain.
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I just wanted to say before I actually get started with the case at the episode today.
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This is one that I think I teased like, I don't know, months ago.
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Because I did another case that kind of had to do with a similar topic.
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And I didn't really go in depth about this specifically.
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But I'd been wanting to do it for a while.
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And then for a little while, it was like, oh, this is going to be a bonus episode.
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And then there was a lot more than I thought.
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And here we are.
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So I've hinted at this topic before.
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I don't know if anybody remembers.
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I barely remember.
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So yeah, you know what it is also.
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So I don't remember.
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Yeah.
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I know you've said it earlier today.
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Probably and I don't remember.
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So oh, I remember.
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Goldfish brain.
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I don't think you do because I maybe I don't.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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No, you're thinking of the other one.
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Oh, the one that we were talking about doing with our one of our party besties.
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I am thinking of that one.
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Yeah, I'm not doing that one.
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So I'm no clue what this is.
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This is exciting.
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Everybody really knows.
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Jesus Christ.
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Shot up and get to it.
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Got to do it.
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And now yeah, that's the one thing.
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I do actually I have some screenshots of a couple of like comments and reviews
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that have come in recently from people who
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clearly need to find a documentary to watch.
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Right.
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Yes.
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Not everybody loves the banter.
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And to that I say,
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we perhaps are not the podcast for you.
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Should we banter for 10 more minutes before we start just to piss those people off?
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, they're already pissed off.
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Somebody and this is really funny.
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I really do think maybe when we do the tarot,
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I will pull it the screenshot and actually read it.
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Because like it was a very specifically like it.
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It sounded like she was our mom and she was disappointed.
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And there were some very specific like guidelines and like,
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like these are action items.
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And I'll check back.
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Oh, oh, right.
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Yeah, is this the one you showed me the other day?
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Yeah, I think so.
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And you were like, that's not going to happen.
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But thank you.
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You can start a podcast.
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Look, if you don't like our podcast, start your own.
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Yeah.
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Or find one of the other millions that yeah, doesn't talk.
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You guys, it's like a really inexpensive hobby and or business to start.
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I just feel like everyone should do it.
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Or like you said, find a documentary, find something else.
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Yeah, find if you don't like us.
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You don't have to stay here.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we hope you do.
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We hope our creepy people who love us stay here.
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Yeah.
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Honestly, like whatever you can do to help us with our, you know,
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download numbers and retention rate would be great.
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All right.
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In July of 2016, a 31 year old man was sentenced to six months in jail and five years of probation
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after pleading not guilty to several charges before the Washington County Court in Hillsboro, Oregon.
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Ooh, Hillsboro.
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Yeah, we know her.
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I know.
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It's only six months.
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Yeah.
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So probably wasn't that bad of a crime, right?
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You might argue.
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I guess we'll see.
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No, I think that's kind of exactly the reaction I would expect you to have.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's unfortunate.
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Oh no.
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He was found guilty by the jury of five counts of unlawful dissemination of an intimate image.
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Though it should be noted that he will not be required to register as a sex offender.
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And to be honest, I think that's at least one fuck up in this case.
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You know, aside from just him as a person, the perpetrator, he's definitely a fuck up of a human.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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That's pretty serious.
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Yeah.
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Sure is.
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I mean, you wouldn't know it based on the sentencing.
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Right.
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You picked it right up.
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I was putting it down.
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You picked it up.
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You get it.
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You're welcome.
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I'm glad I could be here for you to pick up your things.
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Pick up my things.
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Always cleaning up after this bitch.
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That is my job.
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Just cleaning up after people.
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So, yeah.
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There you go.
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Nailed it.
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Benjamin J. Barber of Hillsboro was also ordered not to contact his victim or her family.
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Oh nice.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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Judge Beth Roberts also ordered him to attend a survivor's impact panel.
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Hopefully they just duct tape him to the chair and gag him for maximum impact.
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Right.
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So, he doesn't speak during it or interrupt or exactly.
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And I know probably some people are like,
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"But, Caitlyn, what about the Geneva Convention?"
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What about it?
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Who is Geneva.
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I never heard of her.
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Never heard of her.
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I don't think that's technically torture through.
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I don't know.
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Is that the thing where you can like shouldn't torture people?
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Yeah.
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It's basically the code of conduct or the rules of engagement for
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conflict.
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But the military can do it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it kind of outlines basically like, "Hey, so it's not super chill when you like,
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I don't know, go after like unarmed civilians and stuff."
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Yeah.
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That doesn't sound cool.
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I don't know anywhere in the world that that's happening right now.
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No, me neither.
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Certainly not being funded by all of the largest corporations.
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The world is hard right now, you guys.
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The world, it's a tough place.
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Yeah.
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And the neutrals still listen to this.
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So, boy.
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At the time of his conviction, he was believed to be amongst the first of a very elite group of
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creeps to be charged under Oregon House Bill 2596, which states that it provides that
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a person who records another person's intimate areas commits a crime of invasion of privacy.
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Because no duh.
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Sure.
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But somehow we have to codify everything that should be basic human decency
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so that when some gross-ass douche canoe acts against others within the community, they can be punished.
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I mean, if they have to put like warning labels, like, don't put this firework on your head.
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Don't eat the tide pod.
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Yeah.
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I guess, yeah.
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I feel like I'm not that surprised.
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Yeah.
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I don't see it getting a whole lot better.
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Which is why we can't have nice things.
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I want to keep my nice body parts to me.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I just had to show them.
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Yeah.
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Which I might.
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Yeah.
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Only fans.
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The House Bill summary further states that the amendment to ORS 163.700 creates crime of
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unlawful dissemination of an intimate image.
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It punishes by maximum of one year imprisonment a $6,250 fine or both for first offense
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and five years imprisonment $125,000 fine or both for subsequent offense.
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Shit.
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So I mean, he could have at least gotten a full year.
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I know.
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Like, why six months, that's yes.
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I don't know.
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A year.
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A nice round number.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You have a year to think about what you did with someone else's private intimate zones.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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Barber told Oregon reporters that the videos he posted of himself and a partner were
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copyrighted.
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That he had the right to post them and that his victim tried to use the videos as blackmail.
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I mean, that's not cool if that happened.
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I mean, it's not.
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He's the one that posted that.
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Right.
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So how is you posting them?
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She's trying to blackmail unless she tried first.
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Like, oh, I'm going to post these if you don't.
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He's like, well, fuck, I'm just going to post them anyway.
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Yeah.
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No.
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Anyways, it's like a likely story.
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I mean, come on, dude.
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Luckily, this he said, she said, has a slightly different ending than what most of us have
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become all too accustomed to hearing.
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I mean, kind of not really.
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It's still a very broad turner outcome in my mind.
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Give him a full year.
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And honestly, I think if he posted multiple images or multiple videos,
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each one should be a separate offense.
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Oh, yeah.
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So then not?
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I'm not sure how much or what specifically he posted.
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There's a lot of it that obviously to kind of protect the person who's already been victimized.
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It's like obvious.
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And I wouldn't want to go look at it now if I could, but yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nothing.
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So Benjamin J or BJ, which side note is something I sincerely, sincerely,
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hope he never receives again.
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Uploaded not just one, but multiple videos of himself and the woman to various websites
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of a pornographic nature.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah.
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So like I said, I mean, yes, it's more than one.
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Obviously, I didn't look at them and I hope that nobody can anymore.
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I hope so too.
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Yeah.
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Now that we're uploading to YouTube, I almost auto corrected to corn.
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You know, I never heard that until the other day when it was on like a,
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it was on a real someone sent me.
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I don't remember.
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But it said something about this is in the how to corn emoji.
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And I was like, huh?
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Was I like, oh, porn?
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I love that.
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Of course, the videos were produced while the two were a couple during what I assume were
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happier times.
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I hope so.
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I hope she was having fun at least in them.
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Yeah.
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By the time good old BJ posts them, it was in the aftermath of their breakup.
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Not cool, dude.
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What do they call that?
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Revenge corn.
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The revenge of the corn.
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Yes, exactly.
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Not cool, dude.
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Which is actually essentially a direct quote from the judge.
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Not cool, dude.
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She was like, wow.
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His defense counsel argued that he believed he had the right to do what he wanted with the videos.
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And also that for some reason he felt like his ex-romantic partner had no particular right to
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privacy.
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Just the fact that you would assume that.
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It's like make it make sense.
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In title, man.
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That's just a man being entitled bullshit.
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Yes.
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Red pill.
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Here's the thing.
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All of the reporting indicates that she only discovered the videos existed after he threatened to
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upload them.
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So that adds a whole extra layer.
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So she didn't know she was being filmed.
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Doesn't sound like that's fucked.
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That's fucked.
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Yeah.
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So thanks for making this such a clear cut case of straight up Revenge corn beach.
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Beach.
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Seriously though, I'm sure the prosecution was ready to come to the table with all the receipts,
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but it sounds like I mean, he basically he served it up on a platter.
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Wow.
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He admitted.
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Just the circumstances like she did not consent to being recorded in the first place.
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Not that if you had been then it makes it right.
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No, but no.
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Just because you recorded that doesn't then also give somebody permission to go
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anywhere.
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But what was she wearing?
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Yeah.
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And just in case you were tempted into thinking that this might be an isolated incident for some reason,
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you've lived like Bambi in the woods.
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Oh, although let's be honest, Bambi didn't have it so easy either.
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No.
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Like do you not read or watch the news?
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My questions because yeah, he's not the only dude.
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Yeah.
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Not the only dude for like a long time too.
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Like I'm sure this isn't happening forever and ever.
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Oh yeah.
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I'm sure drawings of naked ladies have been shared amongst men.
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Oh yeah.
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People have them tattooed which, you know, if it's not of a particular person,
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right?
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And it's your body to what you wish, but okay, listen.
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When we get to it because yes, obviously there's a whole gaggle of these ridiculous individuals.
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This is what made me so fucking hangry.
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I'm scared of Caitlyn right now.
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It's not great when I go nonverbal, but that's how you know.
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Okay, I mean, I'm just going to let you know.
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This is not a joke.
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Jay David Leatherwood.
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I'm not laughing you said it's not a joke.
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It honestly seems like he like his name is a porn name.
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Yeah, leather wood.
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I can't believe it.
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Well, he descendants to two years of probation and 80 hours of community service
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after entering an amended guilty plea to three counts under the revenge porn law in the very same
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court.
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So we're not even talking about like, these are,
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they're all in the same small local court doing the same exact
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disgusting shit.
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No, and I'm going to be honest, it's all like in a pretty close timeline.
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So just extrapolating out for how many disgusting
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instances of this that there must be a hit it.
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This was after he posted sexually explicit images of a woman on the internet.
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Also in July of 2016, clearly learning nothing from BeeJ's experience before a judge.
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But the name like that, he was clearly destined for the adult entertainment industry, but
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that comes with regulation.
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So I guess he decided to go another way.
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Why don't you just post your own self?
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I don't get like, or find somebody else who's interested in the same thing.
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Isn't that more fun when they're like actually enjoying it and interested in it?
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Not if you're garbage.
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The most egregious and appalling case that I want to touch on briefly comes from
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also Washington County.
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Where prosecutors charged Patrick Buono with invasion of privacy for taking photos,
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up skirt photos of a 13 year old girl in a Beaverton target store.
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That's gross.
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It gets grosser.
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Because Patrick was a 61 year old man at the time, which is horrifying, but there's still more
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because of course there is.
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I don't want Patrick the pervert in my head when I go to target.
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But he lives there now, rent free because the judge that presided over his case
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found he'd violated no law.
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Isn't that like child porn?
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Unfortunately, at the time, that was true.
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He had broken no law.
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Because there are no child porn laws, but it wasn't that long ago.
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I'm going to get to it.
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Oh my god.
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I got 13.
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Are you kidding me?
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Okay.
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I just feel like I don't know if there's a way that I can like,
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say, I might have to read it off a couple of times because it just takes a minute to wrap your head
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around how disgusting this like justification is.
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And it's another one of those things where it's like,
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we have to put that into law.
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Like, this is fucking Christ.
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No common sense.
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No decency.
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Just absolute trash.
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Fortunately or unfortunately, I don't even know which way is up in this case.
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If I'm being honest, the girl was wearing underwear.
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So, Buono's actions constituted neither invasion of privacy nor child pornography.
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Wow.
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I think I just assumed that like, underwear is still private and like taking a picture of a kid
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in their underwear is still porn.
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But right, it's not and here's the thing.
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Either way, whether it's an image of a child or of an adult,
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like to me, that constitutes an image that's pornographic in nature.
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If it's a child, we classify that as child sex abuse materials.
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Yeah.
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So like just on multiple fronts, just no.
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No.
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I feel like, so I could see people making the argument like, it's like a bathing suit or whatever.
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But I feel like if you're wearing clothes,
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right, you didn't choose to walk out and public in a bathing suit.
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Yeah.
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If you're wearing clothes, if someone is going underneath your clothes without your consent,
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like that's just, but should just be a no-brainer.
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Yeah, I'm so glad that we're on the same page here.
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This could have been the end of our friendship if we weren't.
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I know, right?
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Can you imagine?
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Oh my god.
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The judge called Buono's behavior "lude" and appalling.
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Wait, his name is Bono.
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I mean, I think it's pronounced “Bwono?"
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Buono?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, I'm like, don't ruin Sonny's good name like that.
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Okay.
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I know.
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It's so funny because I kept thinking about that when I was writing this.
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Anyway, this was major news at the time here in the Pacific Northwest, at least.
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I remember hearing about this case and I was like,
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"Lah?"
24:25
"I don't."
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Obviously long before the pod.
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Yeah.
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Now, this next section, I'm lifting directly from the courthouse news service article that I found
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dated December 2nd of 2016.
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Oregon is among 34 states and the District of Columbia with Revenge porn laws on the books.
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34.
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Not all 51.
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I was like, how many states do we have again?
24:51
I like to say 51, just to be funny, but...
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Can we guess the states that don't have the Revenge porn laws?
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Yeah, I mean, I bet you could probably guess a lot in the South.
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Okay.
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Oregon is among 34 states and the District of Columbia with Revenge porn laws on the books.
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However, US Representative Jackie Spear, a Democrat from California,
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introduced the Intimate Privacy Protection Act in Congress,
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which would make Revenge porn a federal crime.
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Out here, just doing the Lord's work.
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It should be a federal crime.
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Yeah.
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It should be a world crime.
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Yeah. It should be against the Geneva Convention.
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Crime against humanity.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I mean, it just makes it so that judges' hands aren't tied in a disgusting case where it's like everything in
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your body and your brain says like, "Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck."
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But you can't do anything about it.
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That would be so shitty.
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I can't even imagine. I feel like that has to really shake people that went into
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law enforcement or the judicial system hoping to actually do something meaningful in their
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career that has a positive impact on the world.
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I feel like that's a priest who finds out God's not real.
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I mean, I mean.
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Kind of simpler to that.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Civil rights advocates, including the American Civil Liberties Union, have opposed
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federal legislation against revenge porn, as well as state laws stating that they are
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overboard and restrict free speech.
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To show someone else's body is restricting free speech?
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No.
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The argument here is that the way that some...
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the way that it's worded is to broad in some cases.
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And here I have a quote that kind of expands on why they feel like that's a case.
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This is a quote.
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So we know somebody actually said these words and I'm not making them up.
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And I don't want to be associated with this, but here we go.
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Oh, God.
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You shouldn't need a permission slip to post images of horrific torture from
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Abu Ghraib or the Nape Home Girl photograph that contributed mightily to changing American attitudes
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about the Vietnam War, said ACLU Attorney.
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We roll in in a written response to an Arizona law that banned publishing any new photo without
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the subject's consent.
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And in a way, I can understand the argument because specifically in Abu Ghraib and I'm not
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well-versed in all of the specifics of what happened at Abu Ghraib.
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But I do know that there was a lot of just general torture, but there was torture specifically of like a
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sadistic sexual nature.
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So again, in that instance, is it wrong to publish something that basically
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sheds light on that horrific situation?
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That's such a difficult, but one of these things is not like the other.
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Yeah, I feel like they're very different, but that's still like a person that was yeah tortured
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and had horrible things done to them and like how are they?
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I don't know if they're passed on, but like how how would they feel about that being shared?
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I don't know.
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It is difficult. Yeah, I feel like depending on whether it's posthumous or the person is still alive
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that maybe has an impact on how people feel about whether or not those images should be shared.
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I think specifically when it comes to sharing those types of images in a journalistic capacity,
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there are things that can be done in order to protect the identity of that individual
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so that the message about like, you know, as he's saying, you know, horrific torture.
29:24
So the things like that can be brought to light, but also with, you know, respect to a victim.
29:29
The difference is that none of these guys, you know, like Benjamin, he's not
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guttle beige. He's not blurring the face of his ex-girlfriend who he recorded without her knowledge.
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Yeah, there has to be like language you can put into the lot. Like they're smart people.
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They can figure out a way to write in, but I do agree that I guess that is really broad and
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and it should have something. Like quick, we need an English major. Yeah. We need
30:01
Caitlyn. She's gonna write the, get a lawyer in an English major in a room together
30:07
or better yet, maybe a lawyer who was also an English major in their undergrad, you know.
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Fuck yeah, like it's that hard.
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A federal judge in Arizona ordered the state to stop enforcing that law last year in a settlement
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with a coalition of publishers, librarians and photographers. Listen, I'm here for free the
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nipple if that's what the owner of said nipple so desires, but you have to admit that the fact that
31:27
laws in the US and in any particular state in question didn't prevent something like this from
31:34
happening to an unsuspecting minor, a child. That's problematic. So they didn't change the law. They
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just like got rid of it entirely to my knowledge, at least at the time when I would, you know,
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this is something that certainly in the last few months since I first started researching this case,
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it's possible that there could have been a change to that. I'm not really perusing Arizona case
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precedent and stuff like on the day, but still that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Hot take, but if you don't
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know the difference between shit like upskirt videos, which is what legislation like this
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is intended to criminalize along with revenge porn versus images of war crimes, etc.
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That really should be covered under freeze speech to protect the integrity of journalism.
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There's no amount of legislating that will help your sick dumb ass. Man, again, we shall continue to
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have exactly zero nice things in this reality. It kind of makes you hope we are living in a simulation.
32:47
I can't wait for the next simulation, you guys.
32:58
What do we move on to the like what do we have to do? Do you think like if we go to the
33:08
Scientology place where you were, you know, cursing out Tom Cruise, how much you have to donate to move
33:14
into the next reality? I don't know. Should we go ask? Probably should we go get our things red?
33:20
Worth a shot. I really know. I never got to want to so bad. No, I just listen. I want to fake ID
33:27
though. So I can like if they ask for my ID because they probably will, right? I don't want them to
33:34
know my true identity. Yeah. Not like they can't take a picture of my face and like Google image
33:39
search it now. I know. It's like a web series. Yeah. We're a girl that flipped off Tom Cruise in the
33:48
in the video camera outside of our building in downtown. Wow. Yeah. I mean, they've got the time
33:55
and the resources. And the tiny Tom. Yeah. And the tiny Tom. Okay. So speaking of how we have
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zero nice things in this reality. Case in point was the petition for post conviction relief that was
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filed by the two numbs goals already mentioned along with a third petitioner named Jacob Patrick
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Holton. He's supposed Jacob's stupid. Oh, really? Is it like a queue situation? No, it's Jacob.
34:24
Jacob. Why? Oh, Jacob. I want to see a Jacob. Jacob. I would like that. I can get with that.
34:32
This guy just sucks. And he spells his name like Jaycob.
34:35
Anyways, if you don't suck and spell your name like that, you're fine. Yeah, you're fine. It's really
34:41
just about the fuckery on his other areas of life. I looked into him a little bit and I'll be honest,
34:49
this topic just pissed me off so much that I decided not to tug at that thread. But apparently,
34:55
he's likely living in the tiger area of Oregon. So just a heads up on that.
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These morons filed the petition challenging the constitutionality of their convictions.
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But ultimately, the petition was dismissed because and you just cannot make this shit up.
35:13
Although petitioner Barber, names two additional petitioners in the caption of the petition,
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neither of these two individuals submitted the five dollar filing fee or an informal
35:30
poprist application or signed the petition. So like literally couldn't come up with 10 bucks
35:36
and figure it the fuck out to sign a piece of paper. Interesting.
35:41
Accordingly, the court dismisses the claims of petitioners' leatherwood and hulton.
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The remainder of the reasons that the petition were dismissed are equally fucking dumb.
35:56
The court notes that petitioner initiated this action by filing a petition for post-conviction
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relief under Oregon Revised Statutes. And I won't rate it all. It's not that interesting. If you
36:10
need the serial code, let me know. Him, yeah, which he seeks to remove to this court under another
36:17
lengthy serial code. It's a thing. First, a challenge to the legality of a state court conviction
36:25
may be brought in federal court only through an application for a writ of habeas corpus,
36:30
pursuant to another legal code. Second, the removal statute cited by petitioner Barber
36:37
applies only to the removal of a civil action in which any party asserts a claim for relief
36:44
arising under any act of Congress relating to patents, plant variety protections or copyrights.
36:53
The petition for state post-conviction relief referenced by petitioner Barber does not fall within
36:59
the purview of said statute code thing, the law. Third, and it mentions that this same very fancy code,
37:13
maybe I should name her. Vess in the district court, original jurisdiction of any civil action
37:21
arising under any act of Congress relating to patents.
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Document filed 1, 2, 2019 page 3 of 5, plant variety protection, copyrights and trademarks.
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As with the removal statute, petitioners claims do not fall within the purview.
37:38
Basically, don't be a dumbass and represent yourself, especially if you're guilty.
37:47
He pulled some fucking Ted Bundy shit here. He thought he was so smart.
37:52
Why do people think that it didn't work out for Teddy Boy?
37:56
Like, who does this guy think he is? Monsanto?
37:59
I don't know.
38:00
That is.
38:00
They're the people that do the genetically modified seeds and shit and are ruining
38:07
single-handedly, essentially, our agricultural industry and probably our immune systems and a lot of
38:14
other... It's debatable, maybe.
38:17
Also, you're not a plant or someone trying to patent anything plant-based.
38:24
Right. I was very confused by all that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You're too dumb to understand how to thwart the legal consequences of your actions,
38:33
and also, apparently, your friends agree to the extent that they wouldn't even risk
38:39
five dollars on the petition. Yeah. Like, did they just not get each other's numbers to like,
38:47
you know, coordinate? Like, it's so funny.
38:49
There's a couple more pages of legalese, but I think we've mined for the gold.
38:54
We found the nuggets that are worth anything. We found the butt nuggets.
38:59
Butt nuggets?
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Beige told the Oregonian, after his sentencing, that he uploaded the videos in April,
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along with all of the data and files he had on a personal server.
39:11
He said he was contemplating suicide at the time and published all the items because he wanted to
39:16
memorialize all the things that I had done.
39:20
Okay.
39:22
The including the illegal things. I guess. Yeah.
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Well, again, remember, he doesn't think that it's illegal.
39:33
It's just as I mean, just goes back to just that some in-sell shit.
39:37
I'll leave you with this excerpt from a 2021 paper entitled "The Role of Torts in the Fight Against
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Non-Consensual Pornography."
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Riveting.
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"By Lindsay Holcomb from the University of Pennsylvania." So, you'd be the judge.
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93% of the victims of non-consensual porn are female.
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"An images of women make up the vast majority of content posted on websites dedicated to non-consensual
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pornography." I'm going to say that again.
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"Websites dedicated to non-consensual pornography."
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It's not okay.
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"Men are twice as likely to have shared non-consensual porn than women
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and women are 2.5 times as likely to have been threatened with non-consensual porn."
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"People between the ages of 18 and 25 are far more likely to have perpetrated revenge porn than
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people in other age groups, while people between the ages of 34 and 41 have reported the highest levels
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of lifetime victimization of by non-consensual porn."
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Finally, non-consensual porn is perpetrated against sexual minorities at rates slightly higher
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than against individuals who identify as heterosexual. Because, of course,
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all of these statistics speak to the dominant social force driving the non-consensual dissemination
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of intimate images. The exercise of mastery, coercion, and control by advantaged groups over
41:22
the less powerful. The fucking patriarchy." Literally. "She found the classiest way to say it."
41:31
"Other than just the fucking patriarchy." "Look, this is pretty good timing for this episode."
41:36
"Yeah. I know. Just worked out that way. I've had this written for months."
41:42
Basically, what we're saying here is that, as with other true crime topics,
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unfortunately, facts of life here, people. Sorry, not sorry, because I didn't do it.
41:55
Purpose traders are disproportionately male and also fuck the fucking patriarchy.
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Say it one more time.
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The fucking patriarchy. The same way that sexual assault is rarely really as much about sex as we might
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think as it is about control. Surely, it must be obvious that these crimes, based largely on the
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internet, really are too. It's just about having a sense of ownership or control over something that
42:28
does not belong to you. I don't understand the obsession. You have control over yourself.
42:36
Is that not enough for people? Not for everyone. That's all I have. Besides a burning desire to shower
42:45
and scrub myself with steel wool. Yeah, same. It reminds me of the documentary I watched with the
42:53
you up website and the Swiffer girl. When I watched that documentary, it happened to be right around
43:00
the same time as I was writing these notes. I texted you about it. You're like, "Bitch."
43:05
I'm working on it. That was a hard thing to watch. Yeah, it was really awful.
43:12
Especially with the Swiffer girl one, because she took the video and sent it to someone,
43:18
but then they passed it around the school. It's like, "Yeah, she sent it, but not with the intention
43:26
of having everyone in the world see it and it ended up on the internet."
43:30
Honestly, I feel like not an apples to apples situation, but I feel like this sort of makes me think of
43:39
when it comes to drug enforcement laws. There are quantities that are by statute
43:51
specified as four personal use versus if you have certain types of paraphernalia or a certain
44:01
quantity of substance of choice that is considered with its intent to distribute.
44:09
It's dissemination, which is like that's the difference in that case as well. It's like,
44:15
"Well, that was four personal use and you intended to distribute." She was underage too.
44:22
It was obviously child porn, but it was thinking, I don't know if they address this in the
44:31
documentary not spend so long, but if you're a child taking pictures or video of your own self,
44:38
is that considered you having porn if it's of yourself? I would imagine that that is case by case,
44:48
because every jurisdiction is going to be different, but I'm not aware of any case where
44:54
that has actually, they don't typically go after a minor for that. It would be a weird thing to go
45:02
after. I feel like, but it just was like a thought in my head. It's like, wait, is that?
45:06
It gets into a very tricky gray area. I do know that there are instances where
45:11
law enforcement has essentially said, this is child porn, so you could be charged.
45:21
I know that technically by the letter of the law in some places, people have been told, you could
45:29
be charged for this. I don't know that I am aware of any cases where that was actually successfully
45:34
carried out. That feels like a gross mischaracterization in just that you're victimizing a person
45:44
all over again. If in the instance, like you were talking about with the documentary, I just
45:51
yeah, that's it was a hard one. Yeah. Well, I better go burn all of my teenage titty pictures.
46:01
So I don't get arrested. I think I do have one. I have one, but I think I was 18 when I took it.
46:08
You have to take them periodically and save them so that you can remember how beautiful you were.
46:14
And how perky. I've heard so many people say that. Take all of the new 12 year, you know,
46:25
while you're young, you like kick it back. No, I'm ancient. No, you've got to take them now too,
46:34
because when you're [Redacted], you're like dang. Look at them boobies!
46:40
I'm sorry. Did you say 29? I was like, we were going. I aged you. Sorry. I'm just kidding. We'll
46:48
bleep it out. We don't want anyone to know how the kid one is. Yeah. And basically a fetus.
46:54
I guess should we do some tarot? I feel like that might make us feel better. Yeah, let's do some
47:01
tarot. Okay. Some titty tarot. So pleased with yourself. We're doing some tarot.
47:10
Tarot. Caitlyn Shuffle. She cleansed and shuffled this beautiful new deck. Do you want to tell us about
47:17
it? Oh, yeah. So I chose a deck that's vintage like all of these men with their trash ideas.
47:24
Yeah, welcome. Housewife tarot. It's so cute. It's like vintage like 1950s, like leave it to beaver,
47:33
type imagery. It's got like what is this? Plot. Checkers. Plot. Yeah, man. Ah, paper towels. We should
47:44
use this for flail man. Yeah, I didn't even realize that was the pattern on it. Damn. That's okay.
47:51
The mushroom one worked. Yeah, no, that was perfect. Amigurred. Okay. Give it one more good one
47:59
and then I'll spread them out for Caitlyn. Concentually. Yes. Only consensually spreading is allowed.
48:10
Oh, oh, this is so cute. Is it? I'm excited to see it. We got the two of cups. Oh, okay, but look
48:20
though. Oh my gosh, it's like the candle you put out is like the two people. Yeah. It's picking up a
48:28
vibe. It's two people in like champagne glasses, but it's not, it's like a mimosa kind of. I think it
48:36
might be like a campari drink. That was so popular. I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of bit,
48:45
I don't like it. I have zero time for that. Oh, wait, too bitter. What? Stop it. What? I'll have to look
48:54
it up. Okay, someone gave me a drink last night and it was like really bitter, like kind of great
48:58
fruity, orangey, cranberry. Yeah. Is it what is it? It might be a campari. That is fucking crazy. I'm
49:06
gonna text her right now and ask her what it was. Okay. We need to know. What are the fucking chances
49:11
of that? Why? I've never even heard of this drink before last night. Really? Yeah. Well, like I said,
49:17
I have zero time for that. It was delicious. I love it. It was like bitter. Oh, like I really love
49:21
bitter. Okay. You liked it. Yeah. I really liked it. Not a fan. But good for you. Glad you had it.
49:27
And that's so funny. Now it's like heavily featured all of a sudden. That's insane. What does it mean?
49:33
What does that mean? Okay. And on the surface, I feel like seems like maybe an odd card.
49:40
Two of cups, I feel like has such a positive connotation to it. But I feel like it's just channeling
49:47
what we've been saying this whole time. It's like, well, I'm gonna get into it. I believe you.
49:54
Keywords for two of cups are partnership, harmony, creative exchange and cooperation.
50:00
You need all those things to put porn out there. Sure. Sure do. I would imagine. Yes.
50:08
Please. I just think it's talking about like a healthy partnership. Yeah. Yeah.
50:14
In many decks, the two of cups shows a man and woman holding chalices as if toasting each other.
50:22
Hey, girl. Cheers. I'll be the man. Chalice. Okay. I'm not tall enough. So.
50:27
Okay. The card represents joining forces with someone either romantically or in a creative/spiritual
50:37
endeavor. You share a common dream, interest or passion and can work together to bring it into being.
50:44
Mutual respect and equality exists between you. So just the opposite of everything that happened here.
50:51
Exactly. All of our hopes and prayers. That's impairs.
50:55
The upright two indicates a period of harmony when things go smoothly between you and another person.
51:03
Super the opposite, but that's fine. Could have been if you had all of these things like love and trust
51:10
and respect. Yes. Oh, okay. You're gonna love this. Next sentence. I think of this as the honeymoon card.
51:21
And we got out your honeymoon gift or your wedding gift. Yeah.
51:26
When you have high hopes and experience a time of accord, optimism, inspiration and goodwill.
51:34
In a reading about money, the upright two suggests a financial partnership or merging your resources
51:41
with someone else's for mutual gain. It can also mean financial support comes from a partner or
51:47
backer. Just making sure the tumor was over. We are making a cheesy, garlicky pull apart bread and
51:55
I could not be more excited. It is food porn. Oh my god, that's so true. We should take a
52:02
picture of the garlic bread with the pulling apart the cheese. Yeah. Do we need the breath's consent
52:07
to post it? She said yes. If the reading is about your job, this card describes a partnership
52:15
that benefits both people. You inspire one another and enjoy working together. It can also represent
52:22
cooperation and creative collaboration in your workplace like maybe you're in the industry.
52:28
In a reading about love, the two upright symbolizes a happy relationship that's developing smoothly.
52:35
You understand each other's needs and bring out the best in one another. This card shows harmony,
52:42
balance and mutual respect between two parties. Yeah. Just like I said, that's just like how it should be
52:50
if you're going to be. Yeah. Just everything that's missing from. Yeah. I love it. We just did it again
52:58
where I don't finish a sentence and I just say it's like yeah and then you finish what my thought
53:05
for me. Oh yeah, we both do that to each other. We finish each other's sandwiches all the time.
53:11
I noticed it a lot lately where I'm just like and you know like yeah and the thing and I don't like say
53:16
anything but I just expect everyone to know what I'm talking about. Obviously you know the guy
53:21
at the place with the thing. It's just it's something I do. I'm I apologize. Yeah. I don't know if that's
53:29
like uniquely female thing and uniquely American thing. I right. I don't know. Not really sure. I don't
53:39
know. You guys get me. I feel like you guys get me. So you just probably know what I'm saying.
53:42
Finish her sandwiches. See, actually don't that's mine. Yeah. I was going to say I knew that was
53:48
going to get you. I walked the other half of that leader. She is obsessed with my name on it.
53:54
I am surrounded by a bunch of sandwich loving weirdos. You really are. Yeah. Was there any extras or
54:05
you know there is it's really just an extension of like and we've read it so many times too. Yeah.
54:12
Raising glasses in a toast recalls the ancient traditions of offering sacred libations
54:19
to the goddesses and gods in hopes of receiving favors from them. The Greek god Dionysus and his
54:28
Roman counterpart, Bacchus are perhaps the best known wine drinking day it is. Yeah. That's my
54:35
kind of gal. But mythology also raises its glass to the Zulu fertility goddess and we decidedly
54:45
camp pronounced. Yes. I'm not going to try because Google it someday. Yeah. I want to if I'm
54:51
going to say it, I would like to have the pronunciation key because I it I feel like it's
54:56
intensitive to just blah blah blah. Yeah. Just fumble through especially goddess like fuck. Yeah.
55:03
Fertility goddess. She's going to fuck your life up. I know. Let's not be pissing her off. Okay.
55:08
The Samarion beer goddess Nincasi the African party girl goddess Yasegi and succulist the Celtic god
55:19
of alcoholic drinks. So Irish. That takes me back to last night. Oh yeah. Working on our special
55:27
super secret fun project for hopefully soonish. We'll see. Yeah. I feel like we set it on our last
55:37
episode. Did we? Did we actually say what we were doing? Yeah. We said it was a weed podcast. We
55:43
did. Yeah. My god. Are you so we're recording the weed podcast now? Oh. Or we said we're just starting
55:50
a new podcast. I don't know if we said. I don't think we said. Yeah. Oops. Now you know. Oops. All
55:55
berries. Oops. All weed. Yeah. Oops. All weed. Oh, all berries. That's another hint. What's to come?
56:02
Little Easter egg there. Oh my goodness. I love this for us. But you know what I love more. What?
56:10
Obviously the garlic cheesy polar bread. The garlic bread. Polar bread. It's a pitchfork crowd.
56:18
Oh boy. Remember that one time I was trying to think of an angry mob and I said pitchfork crowd
56:24
and Caitlin didn't even correct me. It just kept going. I think I just knew what you meant. And I was
56:30
like I feel like everybody else. Well, I didn't even think to question it. Pitchfork crowd. So
56:36
sometimes I don't know. I feel like if it makes a difference or like I flag it as something like
56:43
oh no, you're no like you're just like having like a it's like a tongue twister thing or you're
56:49
just like having a brain fart. I'm like okay, yeah, I'm going to step in. But like if it made sense
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in my head like all better off. And I was like yes, this makes sense. I'm with you. I would never
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correct you in that situation unless I feel like it. You know what I mean? I don't want to just be a dick.
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And I mean, please, please be a dick to me. I love dicks. We talked about it earlier.
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It's true. I have them all over my mat. I know you're dick mat.
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Well, I just want to say I support porn if you're paying people who are in a
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consensual loving committed relationship to watch it and not just watching it for free on the internet.
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What that makes it sound like you support it like only if the people in the porn are like
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in a relationship. Oh, oh, I just mean like if it's consensual and yeah, I do like to watch a loving
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relationship, you know, I just mean I just mean like at first I thought you were saying like,
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oh, only people in a relationship should make porn. I didn't mean that. I didn't. I was just thinking
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like personally, that's what I like to watch. But yeah, I was like, you said the dick and I feel like
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people might get confused by that. Like, does she think everyone in porn is like they're all together?
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They're all together. They're all together. No, no, no, I did not mean that. Thank you. Yes, please
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correct. Well, that might have been my wires crossing. But yeah, definitely like pay people for
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the work that they do. And that way it kind of ensures that it is consensual. It's
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regulated. It's like another step of like helping to ensure that it's not going to completely
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ensure it. I'm sure. But no, because people are trying. Yeah. But if you do like only fans where you
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go straight to their page and, you know, subscribe, it's more likely to be hopefully that's a
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add that layer of yeah. And I know, I know I've heard of like websites or things like sources you can
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go that will give you like a list of websites of like ethical porn too. I did. I think I saw it on
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another documentary. I was watching. I don't. I think yeah, I don't know which one it was. I watched
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so many fucking sex documentaries and shows. But yeah, yeah, I think it was one that was specifically
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related to the porn industry like in a consensual capacity. But also they touched on how the lines
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can be blurred between totally consensual, maybe not always the most ethical, but pornography in
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the way that we all think of it where no one is, you know, in theory being harmed versus
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sex trafficking. And they taught it, you know, I feel like unfortunately there's there can be some
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there's blurring of lines. I'm like, no, it's not blurry. It's not blurry. It's not. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. But just, you know, you have to have an awareness around it to be able to
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differentiate something. Yeah. That's a good. Yeah. So you're welcome. Yeah. If we can actually maybe we
1:00:08
can track down a link. Oh yeah. To provide people so that if they're looking for, you know, like resources.
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Yeah. Just something that allows you to kind of like vet what you're looking at. Yeah. So you don't
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accidentally stumble upon some revenge porn that you just, I mean, you don't know. You can never
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know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's been a pretty pervasive problem actually on porn hubs.
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So that's sad too, because it's like they're real people. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a lot of yuck.
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Or are you going to say it's sad for some other read? Did I? Oh, no, it's just sad. Like all around.
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I don't know. Yeah. Because like so many people go to like the free resource, especially kids. Oh my
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God, because kids can't pay for it. Right. So they're just going to Google online and yeah,
1:01:00
then they end up seeing the worst of it. Yeah. I mean, unless you are, you know, like a certain somebody
1:01:05
that we just talked about recently who just steeled, who just stole somebody else's credit card.
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I'll say who would, who would steal and I tripped over it. It was really like that was, that was
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my best. It was my best moment today. It was incredible. If you're going to be like somebody who,
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and we talked about pretty recently, who stole people's credit cards and right. Colton. Yeah. Colton.
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Colton Harris. More. I only know that because I just edited it. Not that long ago.
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Yeah. Fresh in your mind. So fresh. So fresh. So fresh and so barefoot clean. Oh boy. Well,
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should we do that? I think we should. Yeah, let's do it. I think we did a good job. And by that
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thing, I mean, the girl like cheesy bread cannot be more clear about that. Goodbye. We're going to go
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to your okay, let's go. Just like the row off our head. Let's go. Pay for you. 20 minutes. Let's go.
1:02:05
Oh man. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday. I'm not sure like an actual creep who's like
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actually sharing people's naked bodies without their permission. Yeah. Or unless I eat so much
1:02:24
garlic bread that I literally explode because then I might need more than a week. Don't worry,
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everyone. I will share pictures of her exploding for journalistic purposes. That makes me think
1:02:36
about garlic cheesy pull apart bread as a war crime. And now I'm saying it's not it's never a war crime.
1:02:42
Garlic cheesy bread and bread can never be a war crime. Never could be. Did you have anything else
1:02:49
funny to say? No, never funny. Dude, that's going to be the end of the show. Did you have anything
1:02:55
else funny to say? No, I'm never funny. Yeah, honestly, that is kind of stupid.
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