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Marvel: Secret Invasion Part1 · May The Review Be With You

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I have my cheat sheet out for actors names. Cool rat. I'm glad
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you have that because I didn't show is the prepared one of the group,
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so I knew the assignment. I don't always do it on time that I
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tear do it. Hello and welcome to May the Review be with you.
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With Nick and Joe. I'm Joe, I'm Nick, and today we're talking
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about episodes one, two, and three of Marvel's Secret Invasion. We're going
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back to TV series, which we haven't done in a hot minute. Uh
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yeah, Nick, we're going into this show. How you doing doing well?
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Yeah? Doing well. Everything's good. Still still mad that I lost
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twenty something dollars on the Flash, but they've lost over two hundred million,
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so I guess last laugh is mine. Anyway, that was a saving grace
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for you. Yeah, they lost way more money than me. Secret Invasion,
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Secret one, two three, we're gonna we're halfway through Secret Invasion now,
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which you know, I was about to say starring you know, Samuel
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Jackson is Nick Fury, but like I, this is actually one of my
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things about the show. I don't know if I can confidently say that this
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is starring Nick Fury. I don't know what do you think? But I
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say, you're immediately suggesting that he's also a scroll right now. No,
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No, no, that's that's actually very funny that you say that, because
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yes, I do have that theory. But no, that's actually not what
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I meant. I just meant he's you know, he's obviously one of the
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focal point characters. But like, I don't feel like this is a Nick
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Fury show the same way that like a lot of other Marvel properties are,
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Like this is an Iron Man movie, this is a Captain American movie.
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This is not a Nick Fury show. I don't know, like I feel
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it feels like, yeah, it doesn't really feel like a solely a neck
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Fury show. It's more of like the the story of like what happened in
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between Scrolls coming to Earth and now I guess right, like because it's it's
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really more about neck Fury and his relationship with the Scrolls and all that.
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Uh just say, it's like, I don't even know where to start.
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I'm gonna follow your lead on this whole episode, because like there's a lot
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of things. I think overall, I've enjoyed it so far, but there's
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some like choices they've made that I'm like, what are they? Why?
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Like why are we doing this? Like what what you know? And and
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uh And it's actually ever at the end of each episode so far, I've
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been like no, no, why, Like why It's like what's the point?
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You know, like not necessarily, but like I don't understand why this
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is the choice, you know. Yeah, and I guess that we were
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the three things. Now that we're here, we can we can get to
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them separately. But the three things are Mariah Hill getting killed, Maria Maria
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Hill getting killed, excuse me, Maria Hill getting killed, him having a
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wife who then is also a scroll. I was like, what, like
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okay, you know, and then the very thing is the third thing is
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the daughter. What's the daughter's name? Oh you're talking about Oh my god,
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Gaya Gya Yaya getting getting shot, which I'm not convinced that she's actually
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dead yet, but that I was just like, you know, like I
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don't know. It also doesn't feel like killing two women. Who's two strong
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female characters like in the first three episodes of a TV show, when like
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there's obviously clearly like a movement in Marvel to like highlight women more kind of
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feels a little bit like off the path as well. I'm maybe thinking too
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much into it because obviously we still have three episodes left, and you know,
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guy, I might not actually be dead. But yeah, yeah,
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Maria Hillfing is really disappointing because I love that character. So that that was
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wild. So you know, let's do a quick episode per episode. So
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episode one, we are introduced to Everett Ross, our CIA agent, which
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are automatically as soon as you see him if you've been following the Marvel cannon,
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this already feels off since we know that he should be in Wakanda.
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Is quickly revealed to us upon him talking to some Pepe Sylvia esque gentleman who
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has got this crazy board of every what happened to everybody's mail and how all
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the mailmen may must be scrolls. He is quickly killed and then we quickly
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learned that this is not evert Ross. This is a scroll, which kind
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of sets the whole tone for the show of you know, who can you
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trust? Right? How'd you feel about seeing Everitt Ross? I thought that
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was an awesome opening. I was like, oh, no way, this
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is great, you know, and obviously quickly you find out it's not really
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him, but I think he's like probably one of the more like beloved like
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sliding characters, you know, like or I guess supporting characters is probably the
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word I should use. He's like one of the more beloved supporting characters for
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like whenever he's on screen, you know, so it's always cool to see
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him, regardless if it's like actually Eritt Ross or if it's a scroll playing
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every Ross. Yeah. So, I mean as a result of this scene,
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Maria who makes contact with Tallos and I guess Tallas is No. I
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guess Tallas doesn't kill the scroll who's evert Ross? He chases him in that
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guy accident. He dies. Well after this, Maria calls Nick Fury,
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who's been up in Saber this whole time, and we come to find out
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that Fury's been dodging phone calls that apparently, ever since the the blip,
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he's not really been. We're reminded over and over again that he hasn't been
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Fury, which you mentioned earlier. Hey, is that you trying to say
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that you think he's a scroll? Yeah, I absolutely think he is.
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I don't think this is our Nick Fury at all. I feel like he's
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he feels off to me, Well go ahead, sorry, but to because
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we're on it and it just popped into my head. Can we talk about
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the scar on his eye? What about it? It's bigger than in the
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other films, is it not? I know I have noticed that. I
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know he's not wearing the eye patch, but there's no way that the eye
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patch takes away from like covers how big those scars are, because the scar
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is clearly it's from when he lost his eye, yeah, and when he
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gets a good friend, yeah, when you know, but that's that's like,
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you know, thirty forty years ago, and I don't remember the scar
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being that defined in any of the other films, and this movie it's like,
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I mean, sorry the TV show, it's like really like aggressive.
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The scar is really aggressive looking. And I know he's not wearing the eye
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patch, So I don't know if that's the reason, or that's or they
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made the scar more defined because he's not wearing the eye patch for some far
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freaking reason, like, but it sticks out to me at every episode.
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I haven't gone back either, but I can't imagine that I'm wrong because it's
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such a glaring thing that I've noticed. I'm like, it's never been this
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bad. But they also just didn't want him wearing an eye patch for some
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reason. He's just not wearing an eye patch, like it's Nick Fury.
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It was a bit weird too. It's like, I don't get it.
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I I do have a theory about that. It's not Scroll related. This
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would actually this is counterintuitive to my idea that he's a scroll. I think
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it's metaphorical because like the the eye patch is like that's like if you think
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about an avenger and like what it is, like what trait they have,
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right, thor Hammer, Captain Erica Shield, Nick Fury not technically adventure an
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avenger, but like you know what I mean, he's one of those characters
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the eye patch, right, Yeah, if you take that thing away from
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a character, you know, it tells you that, like internally they're going
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through something, right, they're not that person. So I think we will
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see him down the eye patch by the end of this as he becomes like
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super spy Nick Fury again, right, And maybe that's why they defined they
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made the scars more defined so that the audience can pick up on the fact
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that he's not wearing his eye patch. And it's not normal. Yeah,
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so I guess that would make sense. Yeah, I get that that makes
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sense. But I don't know. But maybe that's how we're supposed to feel
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right now, a little bit like out of touch with everything going on and
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not agreeing with a lot of stuff because it's just something's not right, you
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know, And Fury was Fury, then Maria Hill wouldn't have been killed,
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you know that kind of right? Yeah, Maria, Mariah, I'm gonna
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say that wrong the whole episode. Oh no, it's another Cane Kong thing.
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Damn. Yeah. So this episode, you know, we get caught
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up with the scroll situation, in which there is a Scroll colony uh In
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in Russia and they're actually inhabiting radioactive places where nuclear power plants were decommissioned,
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which I thought was kind of neat. It makes for a neat setting.
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We get to meet Gaya, Gaya, being the daughter of Tailos, get
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to come to find out that Talors, his wife, is unfortunately dead.
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We get quite a few revelations in this first episode, including the fact that
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there is a a I don't want to call it a civil war. I
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guess it is an insurgency of scrolls. Who are pissed that Nick Fury and
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I guess tala a la talos a lah Nick Fury have not kept their promise
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in delivering a planet. Earth has become a refugee spot for one million scrolls.
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Yeah, insane. Yeah, and they've infiltrated like the deepest forms of
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government in the world. Yes, yes, And Gravic is now leading a
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revolution to exterminate humans and make Earth theirs. Yea. And one of the
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incidents that he's going to cause by doing this is, of course the climax
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of the first episode, which is the Dirty Bomb in I don't know how
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to say the Square in Russia, but whatever, for Unity Day a lot
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of people. He's gonna blame America. Right, bomb goes off and there's
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chaos, and as you have pointed out, Maria Hill is shot and killed
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by Gravic, who is disguised as Nick Fury. Ultimately, how do you
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feel about this first episode? I enjoyed it. I thought it was like
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a great first episode. Obviously ends with a freaking shock because like everyone loves
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Maria Hill and now she's got so it was like pretty pretty annoying, uh,
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pretty disappointing, But yeah, I don't know, overall it was great.
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I like it's a lot though, right Like you try not to think
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too deep into like how come this is all just happening now, or how
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come we haven't heard anything about this in the last thirty years, like all
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that stuff. Obviously, like you can you kind of have to ignore any
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of things like that because you know, there's a lot of different things going
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on and the MCU and so like you just kind of have to accept certain
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things being the way they are to be able to enjoy it. You know.
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I guess the defaults, like the Blip is to blame still for a
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lot of stuff, which rightfully so like something like that, I think that's,
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yeah, that's aletely fair justification. That's the super fair justification. So
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it's kind of what they're going with. And like, you know, my
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big questions are like, well, what the hell has Captain Marvel been doing
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for thirty years if she hasn't found the in habitable planet? You know,
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And I think that's probably maybe partly what the Marvels is gonna tackle, maybe
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because I know that Nick Fury is in that based on the previews for that
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that have been released already, So maybe there's gonna be some sort of we
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might get. I'm kind of expecting to see Captain Marvel show up at some
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point here in this next three episodes, probably at the end on a cliffhanger
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like she has in a couple of the other TV shows, to kind of
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give us some more like context for what's next. Yeah. I I think
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the first episode was interesting. It is always fun to see Samuel L.
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Jackson in this role as Nick Fury. Yeah, and personally, I also
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have come to really enjoy Ben Middleson as Taalos. Super fun character. Character
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I was not expecting to like so much was Olivia Coleman's Sonya character. I'm
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still very confused about her character. I don't really understand her placement in the
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grand scheme of things, but I love her performance. It's great. As
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far as the first episode goes, I think that there's enough intrigue about it.
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And if you're going to do a spy thing, a spy thriller,
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you have to build intrigue and st suspense, right, and I think that
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first episode definitely accomplishes that. That's definitely not my issues with it. I
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think killing Maria Hill is actually a great idea for a lot of reasons.
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A. I didn't see it coming because it always felt like Maria was going
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to be the next Nick Fury. Yeah, so that was shocking. But
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this is a character that a lot of us really like, and I think
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if you're going to sell the stakes of this show, you gotta lead it
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off with acting someone. And as the MCU gets older, one of the
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disadvantages it has is its size. Right, you have all these characters and
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in some cases their stories are going nowhere. So at least Maria Hill's death
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can serve to move this story in a interesting direction. Right, So I
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think that was a good idea. I think the problem I have with this
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first episode and really all three episodes is and this is why I'm like,
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maybe Nick Fury is supposed to be a scroll, but I'm also like,
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because of my eyepatch thing, I don't think he is. I'm conflicted because
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Nick Fury does not feel like Nick Fury to me. And it's not even
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just like, oh he's acting weird, he's acting shady. It's not just
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that, it's things that he's saying that just like, this doesn't feel like
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the Nick, the super agent Nick Fury that I know from like Winter Soldier,
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you know, or we got to see him on full display. You
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remember the car Cha scene where he any normal person would be smoked. Yeah,
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and he's just got an answer for everything. Like I think we're just
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and we're supposed to feel this way because he's just. He's old, he's
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older. Sure, he's been through a blip. Hear me out, hear
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me exhausted, No for sure, for sure, hear me out. I
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think. And maybe this is to your point, but that there there are
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little moments that I'm like, ah, that's a bit odd, where like
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in that first episode where Tellos and Nick are trying to get information out of
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this scroll who's pretending to be a museum owner, an art museum owner,
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I believe, And there's this moment where, like, you know, Nick's
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ferry in control. He's sitting in the chair, he's got the up to
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the guy. He's saying some very nick fury things. But then the situation
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quickly gets out of control as the scroll puts Tallos on the back end right
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uh, and he's beating the hell out of him, and Nick actually like
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sounds scared in this situation and like calls out. He's like tallos like like
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in a very like unsure, like fearful way. That just did not feel
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like the character to me. And like there's a couple of different instances of
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that that come up. I don't know, it could be maybe you're right,
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maybe he's traumatized. I feel like the game, right, he's just
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been Yeah, he's spin out of the game. And everyone keeps saying that,
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right. I mean, I think that's my issue is like everyone keeps
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telling me that, oh, yeah, Nick Fury, you've been different,
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and and I guess, like I'm seeing him be different, but like I
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guess I didn't think Nick Fury would be different. So I'm I'm a little
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I feel like there's a bridge missing. I think I think I get what
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you're saying though, too, because like, you know, you hear that
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there's a Nick Fury based spy thriller coming to Disney Plus, and you're like,
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oh my god, this is awesome, Nick, We're going to get
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to see Nick Fury be Nick Fury, and like, we don't get that.
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In the first three episodes, we get a broken, older, exhausted
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you know, like been out of the game for too long spy who's now
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coming back to Earth, trying to figure out where he's gotten wrong. Ah,
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and it's just not maybe what we were expecting. But now that I'm
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talking about it too, you know in that first episode when you know he
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goes for a walk in Russia and you know they didn't he was like,
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well you can't go walk on along and he's like, yeah I can or
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whatever, and he gets like captured by Sonia, right, But then we
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realized, oh, he wanted to get captured because he could put a camera
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in her office. Right. So like maybe he's in some cases acting like
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this because he knows that people will think he's old and washed up and he
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can get more answers if he's a little bit reckless or like not himself.
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So maybe all of it is even just him like playing everybody, playing everyone
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else, including the audience. Why not wearing the eye patch for a little
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while. It could be until he gets his a groove. Who knows.
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But I think it's well done overall so far. It's fun. It doesn't
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seem like too serious of I don't know, actually this is this is gonna
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be tough to say. It's like borderline too serious of a problem to not
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have. Like some Avengers come and help. But then it's also like they're
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kind of keeping it, like they're they're kind of backing off on it getting
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too bad, right, Like was it the third the last episode recently or
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the second episode? I think it's the most recent one where the sub is
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gonna shoot down the un plane? Yeah, that's the third episode, third
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episode, right, So like this is how the third episode ends, right,
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Like they're this, like the sub's gonna shoot down this un plane and
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it's gonna be this like like this is what's going to start the next major
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like nuclear war, right like, and they actually make you they made me
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feel like for a second that they weren't gonna be able to stop it,
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Like they did a really good job. I was like, holy shit,
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like this is actually gonna happen. And then it doesn't, And like that's
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the kind of thing where it's like, if it would have happened, it
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would have hit a level of like we need the Avengers or like some other
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heroes in this, right, But they were able to stop it, which
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kind of keeps you thinking, Okay, it's still like a traditional spy thing,
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like they're figuring it out on their own. They don't need outside help,
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right, right, Like even like Rowdy, Like we've got to see
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Rowdy a little bit, which is really cool, but he's not really helping,
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you know, He's like trying to keep Fury from being Fury, which
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is interesting. Oh yeah, So like he's a scroll, right, Like
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gotta be he's got it. He's like one hundred scroll. He's got to
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be a scroll. Yeah, yeah, because I mean, like, if
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you're gonna do a story like this right where you don't know who to trust,
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you have to have those familiar faces that like it's like the moment,
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right and like who of all the characters that we've met in this series,
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like who's human, who's the most like susceptible to be that it's Roady right
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at something there. We'll probably get a reveal in the next three episodes that
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he's like, you know in that chamber. I think we kind of got
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it. Actually at the end of episode three, Oh really, I didn't
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notice Rowdy. It was a well you don't see him, we hear him
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when Priscilla is making a call and says I want to speak to Gravic and
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someone on the other line says, yeah, well, you're speaking to me
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that was definitely roady, Like, oh, I didn't even notice that.
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Yeah, that was definitely uh oh my god, don Cheetle's voice. Oh,
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I didn't even notice that. I have to go back and watch that.
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It even sounds like the kind of thing Rody would say too. Yeah,
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well you're speaking to me. Yes, yes it does. That's my
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thing with the show, Nick, I feel like I don't know where this
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is going, but like not in a good way. Like I feel like
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I don't know where it's going because like it feels like there's a ton of
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different There are only six episodes, right, how are we going to get
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this all done? Right? Yeah, the next the next one's gonna have
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to be some kind of like big big event, right, Like they gotta
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get it going. So, I mean, it would make sense if Guy's
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actually dead as well, right, I mean even if she's not. And
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here's why I'm thinking she might not be dead because he shot her once in
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the chest and he didn't like put a couple extra clips in because she transformed
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back into a scroll. But all his scrolls know that when they die,
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they turn back into scrolls. So if you're someone who's trying to run from
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like the Resistance. You get shot, you should transform so that he thinks
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you're dead and maybe you'll get lucky and he doesn't put a like an ending
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clip in your head basically, And so when she did that, when she
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did that, I was like, hmmm, they didn't show her body after
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they shot her and she got shot in the chest in the dark. All
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they showed was like her turning back into a scroll. But you didn't get
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a good look, and you saw that. Gravic was like, Okay,
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she's dead because she turned back into a scroll. But they did a great
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job at letting all of us know that that's exactly what happens when they do
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die. So it could be it could go either way. I could.
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I could I could make a case that she's still alive. And this is
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where the next episode is important. It's either the turning point in the show
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is gonna either be she's dead and Tailo's is absolutely about to lose his mind
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and she's about to get real, or she's not dead and she now is
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freely able to go back to the good side and work with Taylo's her father
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and in Fury and really figure out how to like knock this invasion down,
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while she is also going to be able to like move freely because they think
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she's dead. So like, either way, it's gonna be like a cool
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thing. But I'll be I think I'm leaning more towards that she's actually not
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dead. I like that idea that he's or that she's actually alive. Yeah,
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I think it would be a little tough if if she is, like,
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you know, like especially because like a mill Clark's doing a great job
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and it's been really cool to see her in the MCU, and and I
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think the character is really interesting and she's not like the kind of character that
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you have to like that's gonna you know, be in a bunch of other
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MCU things. But she is cool enough and the entertaining enough so far,
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I like, which is what the character is to like, it'll be a
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character to it'll be nice to see down the line and here and there,
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like Everett Ross, you know, like, and I just don't see them
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killing off a character like that who's young this quickly, especially like they need
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to progress the MCU with characters that people like, and after killing one that
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we all loved in the first episode, it's kind of like they're gonna kill
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another one. I don't know that. All those things make me think that,
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you know, she's actually not dead. I agree with that. It
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does feel weird to kill her off this early, especially since yeah, it
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is Amelia Clark. Yeah, so I don't know, we'll see, but
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I'm hopeful that she's not, although it would be a pretty it would be
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like the breaking point for Taylor's like yeah, and it does kind of feel
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like he needs that, he needs a breaking point. Do you feel like,
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do you feel like his wife is actually dead? No, I don't
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know what's real, you know, like that, and you know, maybe
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that's maybe this is the show is brilliant because we honestly have no clue like
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what is actually true or not right like that, That's kind of why I
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like, I'm reserving judgment until like I finished this or yeah, it's I
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mean, it's definitely well done. It's enjoyable, Like I've definitely enjoyed watching
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it looking forward. So and and then also brings to the point like is
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Priscilla even like really on Feary's side, because I'm not sure about that either,
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you know, so, uh, yeah, it also feels like we
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have not spent enough time with Priscilla Fury. For the amount of importance she
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may have on this show. Yeah, I hope it's not too much importance,
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because then it really becomes kind of like, Okay, they probably like
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I'm sure if they give her more importance, we're gonna be able to be
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like that wasn't necessary. This is not necessary. She's gonna die and fear.
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It's gonna make Fury fury again. He's gonna put the eye patch back
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on. We're gonna be like, really, that's his cannon event, his
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wife that we just found out about two episodes. I love that you're gonna
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start using that for meta commentary on Scada movies. I'm also all right,
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that's gonna be a thing on this show. We're doing that from now on,
25:44
Like what like that, that's the furious canon event that his wife that
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we just found out about like two hours ago. Dies. Come on,
25:49
come on, well, they got to create a can they have to create
25:52
a cannon event. So yeah, I think the second episode, there's really
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not a whole lot more left to say about it except for do get a
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And this is confirmed very early in the third episode. We get a sneak
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peek that the Scrolls are possibly working on creating a super Scroll, which is
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right, we haven't even talked about that. Yeah, that for the record,
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this is a this is a real character in in Marvel comics, the
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Super Scroll. Yeah, is it Gravi in the comics. No, it's
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not. It's I actually forget his name, but he's entirely composed differently.
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His his powers are and if you look at the powers that they've accumulated in
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the show, they're like mostly like one to one copies. The super Scroll
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has all the powers of the Fantastic Four, so you know the fire,
26:47
the stretching, the rock and the force field invisibility. Yeah, he's got
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all those, which, like it feels weird to do a Super Scroll thing
26:56
without the Fantastic War, but whatever, they're making it work. I saw
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I saw groots stretchy things, so like that's how they're doing. Read Richard's
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there was something about Ice. There was the the arm from the Cult Obsidian
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that was a cut off in Infinity War. Yeah that makes sense. Cool
27:15
because he's already a super Scroll, right. They just showed this in the
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episode three, like he's that healing ability or something. Oh that's true.
27:22
Yeah, he does have that he's already he's already either got all of the
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powers or the important ones on his way. Yeah, on his way.
27:29
So yeah, that's a I can't even believe didn't bring this up. That's
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hilarious that I forgot that that even happened. So episode three, Grevic you
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know, tells us that the super scroll thing is happening, so you know,
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we have that going on. Meanwhile, Talos and Fury are trying to
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stop a missile launch that as you pointed out, Nick, the suspense which
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actually handled very well in the scene, and it kind of felt like for
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a moment that this was actually going to happen, and it does not.
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But uh yo, I actually thankfully this this comes, this this stops because
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of Tallis's trusting Gaya. Gaya is able to like make some work happen.
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It was like a pretty well, it was just like a well done interrogation
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scene, really, I thought. Obviously him being a scroll makes it a
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little bit different that that was like maybe a more important scene for how big
28:29
the scroll infiltration was. It like is rather than even like the room of
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all the leaders in the episode earlier, right like when they're all the leaders
28:41
are in the episode earlier and you're like, oh shit, all these leaders
28:44
are scrolls. You're like, oh man, that's a big problem. But
28:45
for some reason, that interrogation and finding out that he was a scroll made
28:51
the problem seem more real. Does that make sense? Yeah? I liked
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how explosive Talis was in this scene. You know, you can really see
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how it's this is all getting to him. Watching Gaya try and get out
29:07
felt also very scary. It was like, Okay, what moment is she
29:10
gonna get caught? You know? Yeah, and then finally she does,
29:12
and finally she is shot. But interestingly, that is not where we leave
29:18
the episode. We leave the episode with Priscilla Fury, who is trying to
29:23
get a gun out of a safety deposit box. I'm not exactly sure why.
29:27
I'm not sure if I miss something. Oh yeah, yeah, that
29:33
whole Priscilla thing is really annoying though, it's like, yeah, where is
29:37
this going? This field necessary? Also, the secret wife feels very Clint
29:41
Clint bart bart Lit bart No, that's that's not right, Bartlett, Bardon,
29:48
Clint Barton, thank you. Let Bartlet be Bartlet west Wing reference.
29:52
For you fans out there, we don't have enough of those ye references or
29:59
fans. Yeah, that's true, sadly great show, great, great show.
30:04
Yeah, but yeah, that's exactly what it feels like, you know,
30:07
like, but that felt more natural. Of course, a secret agent.
30:11
As I'm saying this a lot, I'm realizing how stupid I sound.
30:15
Of Course a secret agent has a secret family. It becomes a little bit
30:18
more believable now that we're talking about it in this context. I guess,
30:23
like I guess for me, it's just like we have said the precedent.
30:27
They have set the precedent though, so maybe it's not as big of a
30:30
deal as we think. I mean, they made it interesting with the fact
30:33
that she's a scroll, right, Yeah, it's like, wow, Nick
30:37
is really like he's actually in bed with the scrolls. Oh but uh yeah,
30:49
not a scroll, she's Swiss. Same thing. Yeah. So yeah,
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we finished off with the call to Gravic. It's not graphic. It's
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definitely down cheetle who picks up. And that's where we are. I am
31:15
I have I think the show has its issues, uh with mostly with just
31:18
feeling like a little aimless. Yeah, but I am interested. Everyone's acting
31:25
their heart out and I love that you know, it really feels like the
31:33
It really feels like the same kind of concept or vibe from a resistance perspective
31:40
as like Captain Falcon And I was just gonna say that the villains feel exactly
31:49
like that Flag Smashers. Yeah, it's so similar to that and and feeling
31:55
at least I haven't watched that show in months obviously because it was no.
31:59
I think that it's a great comparison. Really, it really is similar.
32:04
Well, like you have these you have these characters who, even though like
32:08
they're committing acts of terrorism, like you hear what they're saying, You're like,
32:13
well, yeah, that does sound pretty bad. Actually, like these
32:15
people do need help, Why are we necessarily villifying them? Sure certainly there's
32:22
something we can do to help, right, And so I don't know it
32:27
just from that perspective, it's a bit of a non choice. I think.
32:30
I think Gravic makes a more compelling villain than oh my god, I
32:35
don't even remember her name, the lead Flag Smasher. Oh yeah, I
32:39
never quite bought her as a villain. Oh my god, it's Carly,
32:44
that's it. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't like a huge I didn't dislike
32:50
her though, either but but yeah, I agree, but there's just similarities
32:55
between the flag smashers and that and the resistance to the girls, right,
33:00
like, which is fine, but like, you know, Marvel kind of
33:05
did this already, So what is it going? I think is really our
33:07
our combined like frustration so far with the show. Although we like we do
33:12
like it, I do enjoy it's enjoyable, and and the more we talk
33:16
about it, the more I'm like, you know, it's probably better that
33:19
it's only like a six part mini It's almost like a mini series, right,
33:22
it's not really like a full show. It's probably better that way,
33:27
I think. So, I don't know, I think, I think,
33:29
uh. I think it's very likely we see Captain Marvel. I think it's
33:32
important that we do, especially because it feels like we're getting set up to
33:37
see her like these shows, right like Wanda Wanda Vision. You know,
33:44
they give us like Maria Rambo, which is direct relation to Captain Marvel,
33:49
missus or was it missus Marvel, Miss Marvel, Miss Marvel. She's not
33:54
there yet. We see Captain Marvel at the end of that. And now
33:59
in the previews for or the Marvels, we see obviously all three kind of
34:04
coming together with Nick Fury and like this is like I think this is the
34:07
last show slash movie that has to do with all four of them. So
34:12
like I imagine we're gonna get some kind of Captain Marvel reveal again at the
34:16
end of this to kind of maybe put all all those shows together, all
34:21
three TV shows together, and give us like a, Okay, this is
34:23
what Marvels is gonna be about, you know, I hope. So I
34:28
always kind of feel like Carol Danvers has gotten shafted as far as the MCU
34:32
goes per Iteah, Like she's probably the last one of the few remaining phases
34:40
one through three heroes like left, and I still feel like we have not
34:46
seen a ton of her, which is crazy considering like Peter Parker, which
34:52
like, don't get me wrong, I know it's Peter Parker, and Peter
34:53
Parker's like one of the most well known name media ever, but you know
35:00
his reveal in Civil War. We've gotten three Spider Man movies and him featured
35:06
in two Avengers movies. Yeah, he's already been in six movies, right,
35:13
whereas Carol's two. Well, it's not even just that she's only been
35:19
in two really well, yeah, I guess two maybe three mostly two two
35:25
and like a show here there for a second. It's it's not really even
35:29
just that, it's it's the span of time within the MCU Like, it's
35:32
the timeline that's really the problem, right, Like because technically, if you're
35:37
going chronologically, Captain Marvel is the second superhero that we meet, yeah in
35:43
the nineties. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like she's like the
35:45
one of the original superheroes chronologically in the mc Okay, so I have a
35:53
couple of questions where you left. Okay, Nick Fury. Scroll no,
36:00
no, no, scroll no scroll. I think you've actually swayed me into
36:05
not scroll territory. Nick Fury is not himself, but it's more metaphorical than
36:09
it is actual, right, Okay, sonya scroll or no? I think
36:16
she's a scroll, but I think she's gonna be one of the scrolls that
36:21
doesn't get found out as being a scroll. Yeah. No, I totally
36:23
think that this is like the scroll queen, who is a character in Marvel
36:28
Comics scroll Queen. Ah. Okay, so you have more information on you
36:30
because you're the comic book man. Very cool. So now that you see
36:34
I'm like, that's definitely who it is, because I thought it was Amelia
36:37
Clark and I was wrong about that. Ah, got it? Okay,
36:42
Yeah, that would make sense because there's got to be like, there's no
36:45
way that at the end of the show is like, okay, all the
36:45
scrolls are, there's a million of God right right, And the more compelling
36:52
thing would be to like leave one that's even closer to Fury than all the
36:54
other ones were, and that he still doesn't know that he still doesn't know
36:58
about. Hmmm, Yeah, she's got to be the scroll queen. I
37:01
don't even think so too. What you just said that sounds like that sounds
37:05
that sounds that sounds awesome. Story continuation standpoint. Yeah, And I think
37:12
we're far from being done with the scrolls after this, you know, I
37:15
think this is ultimately going somewhere, all right, James Rody scroll definitely like,
37:23
like come on, like definitely a fucking scroll. So somebody said,
37:30
I forgot who. Someone said that there was a scroll high high up in
37:34
the American government and that that could be referring to Rody, right, could
37:39
be? Do you think the American president is a scroll? Actually be pretty
37:49
mind blowing. In real life and in MC Joe Biden. It's the only
37:53
thing. It's the only reason why we can explain why Joe Biden isn't so
37:58
sleepy these days. It's been placed sleepy Joe. He's sleeping somewhere else.
38:05
Now, we can't fust this episode. What do you mean they're already listening
38:09
to us? Sounds like a this silicon Hi, mister NSA agents. Oh
38:14
god, all right, well, you have to edit all this out so
38:15
it doesn't get taken down. First episode gets taken down on Joe's out of
38:19
the line, out of line, take him to rikers, take them a
38:24
guanamo. Oh my god. Uh yeah, So I think I'm gonna reserve
38:30
my score for this one. What about you? Oh yeah, no,
38:32
we don't do scores halfway through anyway. Cool. I'm glad you remember that
38:36
I didn't. I think we're gonna call it here then, and the next
38:40
time we come on, we will have concluded Marvel's Secret Invasion and we be
38:45
very close and or releasing more reviews of Oppenheimer and Barbie as well. Yeah,
38:54
I'm so glad that you're sort of on the train for that. Oh,
38:57
I'm definitely on the train. I just don't know if I'm gonna be
38:59
able to see them both the same weekend, so we might have to do
39:00
the Barbie one later. Space that out, yeah, which is fine anyway,
39:05
So yeah, we do, We'll space it out. It's gonna be
39:07
great. That's gonna be a fantastic weekend. All right. We'll close it
39:10
out here for today. Uh, and we'll be talking about the end of
39:15
marvel Secret Invasion next time you hear from us. But until you do,
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May the review be with you.