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Gabby Petito Dead, Brian Laundrie's Room Gutted · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The intrigue surrounding the disappearance and murder of a beautiful
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Speaker 2: young girl, twenty two year old Gabby Petito seemingly goes
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Speaker 2: on in the last days. Gabby's mother claims her killer
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Speaker 2: slash fiance, Brian Laundry's room and the home he shared
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Speaker 2: with his parents was quote completely empty once he vanished.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean? Did Brian Laundry's parents know all
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Speaker 2: along what was happening. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Gabby Patito's mother says
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Speaker 2: Brian Laundry's room was quote completely gutted and renovated almost
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Speaker 2: immediately once he disappeared. She says none of his things
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Speaker 2: were there anymore. Nicole Schmidt says all of his things
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Speaker 2: were gone that very same week Gabby was missing. She said,
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Speaker 2: police going to Laundry's home to try and get a
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Speaker 2: scent from dogs to look for Brian. All his things
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Speaker 2: were gone at that time and his room was completely empty,
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Speaker 2: completely cleaned out. Also, she says that the van that
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Speaker 2: belonged to Gabby, that Gabby alone had completely remodeled to
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Speaker 2: be a touring van, was also completely cleaned out that
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Speaker 2: even the mattress was never recovered. Nicole says Gabby's things
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Speaker 2: were packed away in a closet. Okay, is it just
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Speaker 2: strange behavior or does it prove something?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 2: How does this piece of the puzzle fit into Gabby's
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Speaker 2: disappearance and murder followed by killer fiancee, Brian Laundry, wandering
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Speaker 2: into the twenty five thousand acre Carlton Reserve and killing himself. Okay,
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Speaker 2: where did the whole thing start?
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Speaker 1: Gabrielle Gabby Potito's body was.
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Speaker 2: Found out in a dispersed camping area far far away
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Speaker 2: from home.
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Speaker 1: But where was her boyfriend?
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Speaker 2: The fiance that she traveled across the country with, vlogging
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Speaker 2: video blogging the whole way about the van life. If
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Speaker 2: you haven't looked at those vlogs, they're incredible, She's really talented.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: He comes home and her van with all of her
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Speaker 2: stuff using her credit cards, but no Gabby. Her family
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Speaker 2: has now sued the family of so called fiance, Brian Laundry,
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Speaker 2: saying they aided and abetted him while hiding the evidence
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Speaker 2: from Gabby's parents as they desperately tried to find their daughter.
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Speaker 2: I mean when I got pick up the twins at school.
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Speaker 2: When they start being five ten fifteen minutes late, I
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Speaker 2: get out of the car and I go looking for them.
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Speaker 2: Children have disappeared on school playgrounds, in school areas. Can
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Speaker 2: you imagine what Gabby Petito's parents went through?
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Speaker 1: As they called and they called, and they.
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Speaker 2: Texted and they emailed Laundry's parents, and then they find
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Speaker 2: out the worst Laundry's home. Gabby's van is part in
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Speaker 2: the driveway, but no Gabby. How do you think they
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Speaker 2: felt when they find out the Laundryes take Brian Laundry
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Speaker 2: on a camping trip. They go camping, and they sit
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Speaker 2: around the campfire and have Somemores, but no Gabby.
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Speaker 1: Nobody said, hey, where's Gabby?
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine that feeling in their gut, in their
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Speaker 2: mind and their heart when her cell phone goes straight
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Speaker 2: to voicemail every single time and they know, but yet
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Speaker 2: they don't know. I don't even want to think about it,
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Speaker 2: you know. I used to tell that to Jury's all
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Speaker 2: the years I tried filling the cases. You can't turn away.
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Speaker 2: You cannot turn away from the truth. It's our beauty
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Speaker 2: to look at the truth and determine.
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Speaker 1: What is just.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 2: of what we know right now? But first I want
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Speaker 2: you to listen to our cut one from ABC seven.
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Speaker 3: Patito and her fiance left New York early July in
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Speaker 3: a van to travel the country. After several weeks of
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Speaker 3: visiting national parks, Brian returned to Florida in the van
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Speaker 3: without Gabby. When he refused to cooperate with authorities, suspicion
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Speaker 3: turned to him, and then he went missing. His remains
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Speaker 3: were found weeks later.
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Speaker 1: Think about it.
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Speaker 2: We believe Gabby was killed August twenty eight. Her body
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Speaker 2: was not found until September nineteen. Think about all that
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Speaker 2: time the family was left hanging blood in the wind,
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Speaker 2: wondering where is their beautiful girl? With me an all
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Speaker 2: star panel to make sense of what we know right now?
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Speaker 2: In first of all, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags,
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Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick. She's a star of Today with doctor Wendy
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Speaker 2: kcb Q and you can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com.
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Speaker 2: Renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. Karen Stark, you
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Speaker 2: can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with
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Speaker 2: a C. Cheryl McCollum, founder and Director of the Cold
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Speaker 2: Case Research Institute, forensic specialist, and you can find her
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Speaker 2: at coldcasecrimes dot org. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 2: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon as star of
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Speaker 2: a brand new another brand new hit series, This is
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Speaker 2: Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart. But first to
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Speaker 2: senior correspondent Special Guests joining us, Laura Ingele, Laura, does
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Speaker 2: it never end with the Laundryes?
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Speaker 1: Does it never end? I mean, don't you think that
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Speaker 1: at some point they would.
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Speaker 2: Have held out an olive branch for Pete's say and said, listen,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna fly to your place this weekend.
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Speaker 1: I know you hate us.
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Speaker 2: Right now, but let us tell you our side of
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Speaker 2: what happened, what we need, when we knew it, what
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Speaker 2: we thought we knew, what we didn't know to set
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Speaker 2: your heart at rest?
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Speaker 1: Can they not do that? And if not, why not,
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Speaker 1: Laura Ingles.
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Speaker 4: You know what it's been months later, Financy, they do
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Speaker 4: lay out the dates that it is believed that Honor.
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Speaker 4: About August twenty eighth, Brian Laundry advised his parents that
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Speaker 4: he had murdered Gabrielle Patito, and on that same date,
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Speaker 4: Chris Laundry and ROBERTA. Laundry spoke with their attorney, Steve
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Speaker 4: Bertolino and sent him a retainer. Just a few days later,
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Speaker 4: September second, think about your reminded of the dates, of
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Speaker 4: the timing, of the pacing of when the couple was
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Speaker 4: last seen out west, when Brian Laundry returned to Florida
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Speaker 4: and Gabby's van without her, and then that radio silence
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Speaker 4: that broke everyone's heart as everyone stood outside of the
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Speaker 4: Laundry's home saying, where is Gabby? Do you know something?
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Speaker 4: And we remember I was at the press conference for
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Speaker 4: Gabby Patito's parents when Rick Stafford came out and read
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Speaker 4: a statement saying, we beg you to tell us as
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Speaker 4: a parent, how did you let us go through this
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Speaker 4: pain and not help us? And you know, I think
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Speaker 4: that the other thing that we kind of surmised was
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Speaker 4: that these this family, if they knew, and it appears
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Speaker 4: that they did, rolled the dice and said we're not
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Speaker 4: going to say anything. Because I was in Wyoming when
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Speaker 4: Gabby was found. I went to that campground where her
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Speaker 4: body I remember that was and so it was. It
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Speaker 4: was beautiful and the trees had just turned. But it
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Speaker 4: turned really cold and icy and snowy very very soon after.
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Speaker 4: So you got to think, did everybody on the Laundry
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Speaker 4: side think that if they just stayed quiet long enough,
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Speaker 4: maybe she would not worry?
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you just gave me an idea, Laura Angele.
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Speaker 2: First of all, talk to you is like drinking from
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Speaker 2: a fire hydrate. It's just so much information at once.
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Speaker 2: I could even write the notes fast enough. And I
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Speaker 2: know everybody on the panel has a ton of questions
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Speaker 2: for you too. But the idea you just gave me,
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Speaker 2: I want to know where we're getting the date August
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Speaker 2: twenty eighth, that that's the day we believe Ryan Laundry
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Speaker 2: told his parents I murdered Gabby and I can guarandamn
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Speaker 2: t you technical legal term.
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Speaker 1: That that's not what he said. He didn't say. I
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Speaker 1: beat her.
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Speaker 2: I bludgeoned her head, then I strangled her until she died. No, no, no,
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Speaker 2: he probably made up some bs about uh she said this.
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Speaker 1: And then she hit me and I hit her back,
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Speaker 1: and oh she fell and hit her head on a
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Speaker 1: rock and died.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be some total cocamanie crap like that.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the mystery surrounding the murder
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Speaker 2: of a beautiful twenty two year old girl, Gabby Petito,
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Speaker 2: seemingly never ends. In the last days, we learned from
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Speaker 2: Gabby's mother that Brian Laundry, Gabby's killer fiance, completely gutted
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Speaker 2: his room seemingly immediately after he went missing. Why even
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Speaker 2: cleaning out Gabby's Ford transit the two had traveled in
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Speaker 2: and getting rid of the mattress. Why would Laundry's parents
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Speaker 2: do that? What evidence did it contain and what was
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Speaker 2: in the room that had to be destroyed? If the
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Speaker 2: Laundry's knew, if it could be proven the Laundry's you
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Speaker 2: need Gabby was dead and they let law enforcement and
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Speaker 2: all of the personnel involved, the US Marshals, the FBI,
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Speaker 2: the local law enforcement at Northport, the law enforcement at
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Speaker 2: the Granteetos, everybody searching how much did that cost? And
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Speaker 2: the whole time they knew she was dead and they
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Speaker 2: need where could they be prosecuted?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 1: No, in a nutshell Wndy Patrick.
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Speaker 6: I think yes, if they knew something at a time
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Speaker 6: when they could have prevented further harm when they could
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Speaker 6: have prevented further expense, when they could have spared law
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Speaker 6: enforcement at the time and resources. Think about the resources
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Speaker 6: that were expended looking for Gabby if they knew she
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Speaker 6: was dead.
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Speaker 7: Now, on the other.
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Speaker 6: Side of that, you can argue, well, what exactly did
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Speaker 6: they know? And I think you cube that up nicely.
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Speaker 6: What did Brian actually say text messages.
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Speaker 4: Back and forth?
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Speaker 6: And that's going to be an important piece of evidence.
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Speaker 6: You're right about that, what if anything they could face criminally?
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Speaker 1: Okay, Cheryl McCallum, I here, you're trying to jump in guys.
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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. The thing that just drives me insane.
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Speaker 5: The additional element of waiting the thirteen days, right, and
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Speaker 5: then the additional eight days before she's actually found, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: the amount of evidence that could have been lost may
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Speaker 5: have been lost. She's out in the elements. There's going
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Speaker 5: to be animal activity, There's going to be weather.
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Speaker 2: Why do you say animal activity? You and Joe Scott
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Speaker 2: more than both do that. Wait a minute, let's just
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Speaker 2: say what it really is.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and it tastes like dirt, but animal activity, all right?
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Speaker 1: That rids me on a hike.
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Speaker 2: I just took the twins on and we were bird
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Speaker 2: spotting and looking for animals. What you're talking about is
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Speaker 2: Gabby's body lying out in the elements, the tetons and
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Speaker 2: animals ripping her body apart and chewing on her and
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Speaker 2: gnawing on her. That's what we're talking about. That is
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Speaker 2: what the Gabby Patito family has to live with twenty
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Speaker 2: four to seven.
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Speaker 1: Every day of the year.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we're talking about, all right, So
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Speaker 2: let's just say what it is.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, and there is nothing more repugnant and
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Speaker 5: vile in opinion of hell.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Correct.
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Speaker 2: The Gate agreed for letting her family live through that,
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Speaker 2: and now they got to live the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 1: They got to know that's what happened to their girl.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 5: As for she was brutally murdered by the very person
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Speaker 5: that was supposed to be taken care of her and
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Speaker 5: the most again repugnant and vile and straight devil when ROBERTA.
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Speaker 5: Laundry blocked Gabby's mama's phone number and then blocked our
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Speaker 5: own social media.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, I forgot about that.
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Speaker 2: Laura Engel, that the Laundry's actually blocked Gabby's family from
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Speaker 2: trying to contact them.
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Speaker 1: Is that true? It is?
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Speaker 4: It is true.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 4: That is what we have read about in reports. We've
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Speaker 4: talked to them, and it goes back to that desperation
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Speaker 4: of that time frame that we're talking about, of begging them,
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Speaker 4: and to think of that and go back in your
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Speaker 4: mind of the news coverage, the bike riding, the mowing
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Speaker 4: of the lawn, taking trips to the store, the camping trip,
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Speaker 4: all of that. It is believed that he confessed to
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Speaker 4: his parents, and you're right, Nancy, like, we don't know
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Speaker 4: exactly what was said. We don't know if he detailed
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Speaker 4: it a mom and dad, it was an accident. I
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Speaker 4: don't know what to do. I'm scared them coming home.
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Speaker 4: We don't know what was said. But if we do
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Speaker 4: learn exactly the exact times of when Brian was talking
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Speaker 4: to his parents, the attorney for the Laundry says, look,
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Speaker 4: I never talked to Brian Lawny. I never spoke to him.
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Speaker 4: But what if Ryan Laundry was talking to his dad
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Speaker 4: and Bertolino was talking to the mom. And let's just
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Speaker 4: say for argument's sake, that everybody was on speakerphone.
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Speaker 8: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: So there's going to be more information that will be
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Speaker 4: coming for I think there's something hard, Laura Ingle.
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Speaker 1: I think there's something hard.
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Speaker 2: If the documents say on twenty eight they've got hard
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Speaker 2: evidence of that?
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Speaker 1: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Our tep is a text, is an email? And hey
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Speaker 2: happen again, Laura Ingle? Drink from the fire hydrant. Karen starting,
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Speaker 2: did you hear Laura Ingle? And this is a hypothetical.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about what he told his parents, and I said,
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Speaker 2: I can guarantee you he didn't say, hey, I murdered
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Speaker 2: Gabby and left her body out there to be torn
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Speaker 2: apart by animals. He probably says some bs story about
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Speaker 2: she hit me, then I pushed her, she hit her
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Speaker 2: head on a rock or a treat, she died just
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Speaker 2: like that. Of course that's a lie. But wait a minute,
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Speaker 2: Laura Ingle says, Well, what if he says something like, Mom, Dad,
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Speaker 2: I'm upset Gabby died. I'm so upset, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what to do. He's not so upset. He didn't stuff
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Speaker 2: his pie hole the way whole way home, thousands of
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Speaker 2: miles on Gabby's credit card. You think he felt bad
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Speaker 2: when he drove through Burger King and had it his way?
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Speaker 1: Or is that McDonald's.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's burger King. What about that he wasn't so
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Speaker 2: upset he couldn't eat. He left a trail a mile
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Speaker 2: wide on her credit card and her debit.
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Speaker 4: Card, Nancy. He also on August thirtieth, remember he sent
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Speaker 4: a text message from Gabby's culpho to the Gabby's mall
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Speaker 4: and saying no service in Yosemite, in an effort to
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Speaker 4: make her mother believe that she was still alive.
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Speaker 1: You're so right, Laura ingl He's not upset. He's upset
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Speaker 1: like a snake after.
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Speaker 9: Him biting got the grandfather.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Karen, start champion.
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Speaker 9: He didn't just he sent text pretending that he was her.
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Speaker 9: I'm so upset that he was able to go home
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Speaker 9: and be with mommy and daddy and Nancy. When you
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Speaker 9: think about this, when you think about how hard it
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Speaker 9: is to lose a child, good parents, it's something that
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Speaker 9: you never get over. It's not the way it's supposed
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Speaker 9: to be. And then on top of that, it's hard
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Speaker 9: enough to imagine your child dead, let alone being eaten
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Speaker 9: by animals, being abandoned, and there is no doubt in
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Speaker 9: my mind that he said she provoked him.
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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt in my mind at all, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut three our friends from
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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 10: Parents of the young woman who lives such a colorful
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Speaker 10: life are trying to avenge her death by putting in
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Speaker 10: black and white the horrible details of what they went through.
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Speaker 10: In arguing that the laundries quote knew they could alleviate,
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Speaker 10: at least in part, such mental suffering and anguish. The
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Speaker 10: Potito said they believe that on August twenty eighth, Laundry,
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Speaker 10: while still in Wyoming, advised his parents he had murdered Gabby.
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Speaker 10: For several weeks, the laundry Is not only refused to
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Speaker 10: talk to the Potitos, they put out statements saying they
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Speaker 10: hope she could be found alive. The Laundries were accused
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Speaker 10: for weeks by protesters of not being forthcoming.
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Speaker 2: Joscott Morgan, professor forensics Jacksonville State University and star of
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Speaker 2: Bodybags as Joseph Scott Morgan jump in, Joe Scott, Hey.
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy. One of the things that comes to me,
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Speaker 8: I'm kind of listening back toward Laundry's remains.
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Speaker 1: Well listening, back listing.
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Speaker 8: Go ahead, yeah, sorry, yeah, So going back to Brian laundry.
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Speaker 8: You know, one of the things I'm thinking about is
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Speaker 8: there's so much deception. I think that goes along with
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Speaker 8: where his you know, his his location throughout this whole thing.
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Speaker 8: The car. You remember, we reflect back to how did
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Speaker 8: he wind up out there? Where did he go? Your
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Speaker 8: remember how much time we spent speculating about where he
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Speaker 8: may have gone. And you know.
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Speaker 2: I'm speculating, Josica Morgan, I call it analyzing the events
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Speaker 2: that we knew.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well people.
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Speaker 8: Were saying Mexico, all these other things, and there is
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Speaker 8: a there's a thread that runs through this of deception,
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Speaker 8: and it's not surprising relative to you know, when we
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Speaker 8: look at what happened to Gabby and his his murder
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Speaker 8: of her, and then moving forward, what happened to him
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Speaker 8: coming back to his parents, I'm thinking, you know, what
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Speaker 8: is it that they haven't told us about him and
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Speaker 8: his activities? You know, when I looked over the and
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Speaker 8: the report that we got back was absolutely voluminous. I
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Speaker 8: mean it just goes on and on and on relative
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Speaker 8: to his body. I don't know that in my memory,
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Speaker 8: I've seen one quite this inclusive of everything. You know,
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Speaker 8: they report that he was like scene on the thirteenth.
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Speaker 8: They didn't fill out this missing person's report until like
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Speaker 8: the seventeenth of September, and he was so far gone
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Speaker 8: by the time the authorities got out there they could
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Speaker 8: not actually pin down. This is the forensic anthropologist could
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Speaker 8: not actually pin down a specific time of death.
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Speaker 1: Positive they did.
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Speaker 8: And they were able to recover that. But Nancy, to
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Speaker 8: give you an idea, the best she could do in
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Speaker 8: one of her calculations was, now get this anywhere from
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Speaker 8: forty seven days to six hundred and seventy two days
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Speaker 8: as an estimation of post mortem intervals. That's how far
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Speaker 8: gone he was. And I still have a major question
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Speaker 8: again about this gunshot wound. He sustained. He is right
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Speaker 8: hand dominant. This is a left handed entrance wound that
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Speaker 8: we have that has been validated by not just the
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Speaker 8: forensic anthropologists but also the forensic pathologist. And where in
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Speaker 8: the hell did this revolver come from? Who did it
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Speaker 8: belong to? What's you know, what's the genesis of it?
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Speaker 8: And I don't think that that's been thoroughly addressed as well.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely correct. What about it?
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Speaker 2: CHERRYL.
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Speaker 1: McCullum, I agree with one hundred percent.
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Speaker 5: And I have the same feeling about this notebook and
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Speaker 5: his alleged confession. I don't think it's a confession when they.
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Speaker 2: Craft words and unicorns and yeah.
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Speaker 5: There are drawings, and.
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Speaker 1: That's that's very different.
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Speaker 5: Like as a parent, if your child is riding the
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Speaker 5: bike and fall, you might feel responsible that they got
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Speaker 5: hurt because you couldn't protect him in that moment, but
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Speaker 5: you didn't cause it. You're not going to confess that
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Speaker 5: you're the reason they've got to skinned up me.
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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with this?
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Speaker 5: Because you can take responsibility, but that's not a confession.
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Speaker 5: If Jackie cusses out a guest, you may apologize and
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Speaker 5: take responsibility for it, but you're not confessing that you
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Speaker 5: cussed anybody out. That was Jackie, that word bothers me.
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Speaker 5: I have seen no confession.
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Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 2: Did you say to Laura Ingele special guest joining us
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Speaker 2: Christopher and ROBERTA Laundry's behavior explain.
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Speaker 4: You know, they say, and to go back a page
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Speaker 4: and this is the number thirty one that's cricis. It's
22:18
Speaker 4: utterly horrible but let me let me see this up.
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Speaker 4: Because they write, on September fourteenth, with full knowledge that
22:26
Speaker 4: Gabrielle Potito had been murdered by their son, the Laundry
22:30
Speaker 4: lawyer put out a statement saying, it is our understanding
22:33
Speaker 4: that a search has been organized for miss Potito in
22:35
Speaker 4: or near Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming, on behalf
22:38
Speaker 4: of the Laundry family. It is our hope that the
22:41
Speaker 4: search for miss Potito is successful and that Miss Potito
22:44
Speaker 4: is reunited with her family. That's September fourteenth. And as
22:48
Speaker 4: you go down to fast forwarding to knowing what happened,
22:50
Speaker 4: they write in the lawsuit, Christopher Laundry and ROBERTA. Laundry
22:54
Speaker 4: exhibited extreme and outrageous conduct, which constitutes behavior under the
22:59
Speaker 4: circumstance answers, which goes beyond all possible bounds of decency
23:04
Speaker 4: and is regarded as shocking, atrocious, and utterly intolerable in
23:09
Speaker 4: a civilized community. Who could blame them?
23:12
Speaker 1: Well, who could blame them?
23:13
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you think about the timeline, and
23:15
Speaker 4: you know, if all of this is true, and if
23:17
Speaker 4: they knew those details, and then they put out a statement, sure,
23:21
Speaker 4: we hope that she sound and they knew where she was.
23:25
Speaker 4: It just makes her stomach turn.
23:27
Speaker 5: But Nancy Wee can prove they knew it. On September tenth,
23:31
Speaker 5: when her daddy went to their house and knocked on
23:33
Speaker 5: the door and they wouldn't even come to the door.
23:36
Speaker 5: He had to put out in front of God and
23:38
Speaker 5: country on social media, I'm going to the police if
23:41
Speaker 5: you don't tell me something. So then he goes to
23:43
Speaker 5: the police on September the eleventh. They knew it, they
23:47
Speaker 5: knew it, and they acted.
23:50
Speaker 2: I think I might be able to one of you.
23:51
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Okay, put this in your pipe of
23:55
Speaker 2: smoke at Cheryl McCallum.
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Speaker 1: You ready.
23:57
Speaker 2: On that day, August twenty eight, that's today Christopher and
24:03
Speaker 2: roberta laundry speak with attorney Steve Bertolino. Suddenly that's the
24:10
Speaker 2: day they go, whoa, whoa, what we need a criminal lawyer.
24:15
Speaker 2: And then they follow up about two days later with
24:19
Speaker 2: the retainer.
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Speaker 5: That's right now.
24:22
Speaker 2: As I always say, there is no coincidence in criminal laws.
24:25
Speaker 2: So Wendy Patrick, what about it? California prosecutors, that's the
24:30
Speaker 2: day they decide they need a high power criminal defense
24:32
Speaker 2: attorney who ps great criminal defense attorneys are usually not
24:39
Speaker 2: seen or heard outside the courtroom.
24:41
Speaker 1: They don't want to be.
24:43
Speaker 2: Stars in their own ride on TV or this or that.
24:47
Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed that, Wendy Patrick.
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Speaker 7: That's true, And it's also true that in this case,
24:53
Speaker 7: the fact that they spoke on August twenty eighth is
24:56
Speaker 7: going to be so important for the timeline because guess
24:59
Speaker 7: what days later? On August thirtieth is when Laundry apparently
25:03
Speaker 7: sent an additional text for Potito's phone to Schmid saying
25:07
Speaker 7: there was no service in Yourssementy Park in an efforts
25:10
Speaker 7: leaving her to believe Gabby was still alive. So that's
25:13
Speaker 7: after the twenty eighth when the lawyer is hired. That's
25:17
Speaker 7: a huge point.
25:18
Speaker 2: According to Gabby Potito's mother, Brian Laundry, Gabby's killer fiance,
25:24
Speaker 2: his room was completely emptied, gutted, renovated almost immediately after
25:33
Speaker 2: Brian quote disappeared. Remember, Gabby went missing on a cross
25:40
Speaker 2: country road trip with fiance Brian Laundry. Her body later
25:45
Speaker 2: found in the Grand Teta National Park. Laundry accused of
25:50
Speaker 2: her murder. Many believe it could have all been avoided
25:55
Speaker 2: when cops stopped the two based on domestic abuse claims,
25:59
Speaker 2: but they ended up blaming Gabby, naming her the attacker,
26:06
Speaker 2: and letting Laundry walk free. Shortly after that, he murdered her.
26:14
Speaker 2: But why would Laundry's mother get rid of his entire rooms,
26:19
Speaker 2: belongings and even clean out Gabby's van getting rid of
26:23
Speaker 2: the mattress. She Nicole Schmidt, Gabby's mom, says, quote that
26:29
Speaker 2: very same week Gabby was missing, cops were going to
26:32
Speaker 2: Laundry's house to try to get a scent from their
26:35
Speaker 2: dogs to look for Brian. All his things were gone.
26:38
Speaker 2: The room was completely empty. She also says the van
26:43
Speaker 2: that Gabby had used to drive across the country had
26:46
Speaker 2: been quote completely cleaned out. The mattress was never recovered.
26:51
Speaker 2: Gabby's stuff was packed away in a closet. Schmidt admit
26:58
Speaker 2: she was extremely frostrated with Laundry's parents and they're saving
27:05
Speaker 2: lack of cooperation when she was trying to find her daughter.
27:10
Speaker 2: Think about it, Laura Ingle, think about it. So he
27:14
Speaker 2: gets home, they know Gabby's dead and they go for
27:19
Speaker 2: a camp out. The family goes on a little trip
27:25
Speaker 2: and camps out. They sit around the campfire, they grow out,
27:29
Speaker 2: They eat other people at the campground remembers De Soto Campgrounds.
27:32
Speaker 4: See them now what I was I was talking about
27:35
Speaker 4: this this morning about the you know about Brian being
27:38
Speaker 4: seen walking walking around. We know that the sister was there.
27:42
Speaker 4: Now did they go camping to try and kind of
27:44
Speaker 4: come together as the family and say what are we
27:47
Speaker 4: going to do? But it doesn't look like it. From
27:49
Speaker 4: the pictures and from the stories that we've heard from
27:52
Speaker 4: people who saw them there, it looked like they were
27:54
Speaker 4: genuinely can't tell.
27:55
Speaker 2: You, Laura camp And I bring this up only when projecting,
28:01
Speaker 2: But Laura, I remember when my fiance was murdered. I
28:06
Speaker 2: couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. I lost down to eighty
28:10
Speaker 2: nine pounds. The smell of food made me sick just
28:14
Speaker 2: to smell it. I remember the first thing I finally
28:18
Speaker 2: ate or consumed was a glass of orange juice. It
28:22
Speaker 2: was the first thing that did not make me literally
28:26
Speaker 2: nauseous after Keith's murder. So, how in the h E
28:31
Speaker 2: double l is this family knowing that Gabby is dead
28:37
Speaker 2: and being torn apart by animals out in the rain,
28:44
Speaker 2: lying there on the dirt, How can they go to
28:48
Speaker 2: a campout? How could they do that?
28:50
Speaker 4: There's no explanation. There's none. None of us on this panel,
28:55
Speaker 4: nobody listening could even imagine doing what they did right
29:00
Speaker 4: if they knew, and it looks like they did, how
29:03
Speaker 4: could you. You're absolutely right in January when they said,
29:06
Speaker 4: you know, we're bringing the family together, We're sharing all
29:08
Speaker 4: the information with them that we possibly can give them
29:11
Speaker 4: right now. And everybody's like, Okay, the case is closed.
29:15
Speaker 4: Lest Attorney's office, Granteeton Attorney's office closed their case because
29:19
Speaker 4: the debit card that was brodd, he dead. They've got
29:21
Speaker 4: to close the case.
29:23
Speaker 2: The deception in the hiding, add to that the layer
29:29
Speaker 2: of the parents going straight out to the body. They
29:36
Speaker 2: hadn't been out in uh that area, Carlton Reserve forty
29:43
Speaker 2: five minutes.
29:44
Speaker 1: You remember that, Cheryl McCollum, and.
29:46
Speaker 2: They remember eight to the body, and then Kyle comes
29:51
Speaker 2: up and shows them I think it was the dry
29:53
Speaker 2: pack or something found near Brian Laundry's body, and they're
29:56
Speaker 2: like mm hmm, they're right, and no emotion. I can
30:01
Speaker 2: remember again projecting. I remember testifying in court at Keith's
30:09
Speaker 2: murder trial, and I remember coming down off the witness stand.
30:12
Speaker 2: It was tall equal my head was equal to the
30:16
Speaker 2: judge's head. And you go down some steps and then
30:20
Speaker 2: turn and go down some more steps.
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Speaker 1: And I was.
30:22
Speaker 2: Walking out and I walked by council table and looked
30:25
Speaker 2: over and saw Keith's bloody denim shirt for the first
30:31
Speaker 2: time since I saw him drive away that morning before
30:34
Speaker 2: he was killed. Think about it, when the cops showed
30:42
Speaker 2: the laundry, those the laundries, those items, saw video, they.
30:46
Speaker 1: Just stood there. There was really no reaction at all.
30:50
Speaker 1: Mama was holding the bag.
30:52
Speaker 5: Mama had the dry bag in her hands standing there
30:56
Speaker 5: on that pathway. And again that's the bag that held
31:01
Speaker 5: this notebook that allegedly has this confession in it.
31:04
Speaker 2: I've said all along the suggestion that they planted evidence
31:08
Speaker 2: was far fetched.
31:10
Speaker 1: But now I know.
31:11
Speaker 2: The level of deception that has been alleged by the
31:15
Speaker 2: Petito family against them.
31:18
Speaker 1: What are they capable of concealing? Cheryl McCollum, Nancy.
31:22
Speaker 5: They allowed their son to use a dead girl's debit
31:26
Speaker 5: card to get his sorry ass home to help formulating
31:31
Speaker 5: some plan of how to save his behind from what
31:34
Speaker 5: he had done. And I've said from the beginning on
31:37
Speaker 5: your show, they knew it. They knew it all along.
31:40
Speaker 5: I've said even the sister knew it. There is no
31:43
Speaker 5: way that she went to that camp site for the
31:47
Speaker 5: day and didn't ask how's Gabby, where's Gabby? What's going
31:50
Speaker 5: on with Gabby? Everybody had to have known. This is
31:53
Speaker 5: odd for him to have come home the second time.
31:56
Speaker 5: Remember he flew home before on August seventeenth, So now
32:01
Speaker 5: he's back again. That's weird. You're on the trip of
32:03
Speaker 5: a lifetime and you won't quit coming home to your mama.
32:06
Speaker 5: That's weird. So there's no way she knew it, didn't
32:09
Speaker 5: know it. There's no way she didn't have them calling
32:12
Speaker 5: her phone too, because her mama said they tried to
32:14
Speaker 5: get her. Then, there ain't no way she missed it.
32:16
Speaker 5: On social media and the local news.
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Speaker 2: You know that whole story, Laura Ingele about him coming home.
32:23
Speaker 1: It's not a story.
32:25
Speaker 2: He did fly home in the middle of the trip
32:28
Speaker 2: and leave Gabby alone. And I've always the moment I
32:32
Speaker 2: heard that, I went, WHOA wait, wait what? And I
32:35
Speaker 2: believe I was speaking to one of Gabby's family members.
32:38
Speaker 2: I said, is that true? And they would not confirm
32:42
Speaker 2: it or deny it. And their answer is they were
32:44
Speaker 2: told by police not to discuss it, which means it's
32:47
Speaker 2: true or something like it is true.
32:49
Speaker 4: I think he went home to he went home to
32:52
Speaker 4: he flew home. And what's so weird about it is
32:55
Speaker 4: that they were tied on not tied on money, but
32:58
Speaker 4: they were watching their pennies. They were really conscious of
33:01
Speaker 4: their money and so but they took the time. He
33:05
Speaker 4: took the time to fly home to clear out a
33:08
Speaker 4: storage unit. That was the story that he was going
33:11
Speaker 4: to clear out a storage unit and then returned back
33:16
Speaker 4: and that.
33:16
Speaker 1: Was to Utah. I believe.
33:18
Speaker 4: Versus Lake City.
33:26
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
33:32
Speaker 2: Beautiful, Young Gabby Potato's mother claims there was something quote
33:37
Speaker 2: wrong with Brian Laundry's family when police searched his empty
33:41
Speaker 2: room after her murder, claiming the room of being gutted
33:45
Speaker 2: and something was quote wrong with his mom after he vanished.
33:49
Speaker 2: As they continue to search for their missing girl, Gabby's mom,
33:53
Speaker 2: Nicole recounts eerie circumstances leading up to the discovery of
33:59
Speaker 2: Gabby's body, including the moment cop searched Laundry's home finding nothing.
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Speaker 1: In his room.
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Speaker 2: She Nicole says that she continues to find out new
34:11
Speaker 2: information even now. Take a listen to our cut for
34:17
Speaker 2: our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 10: Police in Northport said they'd not gotten cooperation as to
34:23
Speaker 10: whether they knew anything about where Gabby was, but the
34:26
Speaker 10: Laundries did tell police Brian had not returned from the
34:29
Speaker 10: reserve where he was eventually found dead.
34:32
Speaker 1: But the new lawsuit alleges.
34:34
Speaker 10: The Laundries had been making arrangements for Brian to leave
34:37
Speaker 10: the country. Their family attorney denied the allegations, saying the
34:41
Speaker 10: lawsuit does not change the fact that the Laundries had
34:44
Speaker 10: no obligation to speak to law enforcement or any third party,
34:48
Speaker 10: including the Potito family. This fundamental legal principle renders the
34:52
Speaker 10: Potito's claim to be baseless under the law, do we.
34:55
Speaker 11: Have a legal system where people are punished civilly for
34:59
Speaker 11: knaku operating with criminal investigations.
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Speaker 10: The lawsuit does not say how the Potitos learned of
35:05
Speaker 10: the facts they allege, but they did have several meetings
35:08
Speaker 10: with investigators, including at the Tampa FBI office after the
35:12
Speaker 10: investigation it was closed. The Potito family attorney said there
35:16
Speaker 10: were multiple conversations between Brian, his parents, and their lawyer
35:21
Speaker 10: before he left Wyoming August thirtieth.
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Speaker 2: So Joe Scott Morgan if we weren't half wrong, right,
35:28
Speaker 2: because they were trying to get him out of the
35:30
Speaker 2: country exactly what we had thought was going on.
35:34
Speaker 8: Yeah, push, push, push, you know, I had all kinds
35:37
Speaker 8: of ideas, you know, back then, thinking about how could
35:40
Speaker 8: they facilitate Remember when they were at that camping area.
35:43
Speaker 8: You know, I think a couple of us had thought
35:45
Speaker 8: that maybe by water, you know, how are you going
35:47
Speaker 8: to get him out of the reach of the US authorities,
35:52
Speaker 8: to get him spirited off somewhere. We were thinking about,
35:55
Speaker 8: you know, him leaving with gobs of cash so that
35:57
Speaker 8: he could fall off of the radar relative to using
36:00
Speaker 8: any kind of credit cards, which of course he had
36:03
Speaker 8: stolen Gabby's and utilized it, and just you know, go
36:08
Speaker 8: abroad with US currency and try to make that happen.
36:11
Speaker 8: But how do you make that happen? I think that
36:13
Speaker 8: that's one of the big problems here when you have
36:16
Speaker 8: somebody that is not sophisticated in a way that the
36:22
Speaker 8: criminals work. You know, they don't know, you know, how
36:26
Speaker 8: were we going to get him away from all of this trouble?
36:28
Speaker 8: And at the end of the day, and at the
36:31
Speaker 8: end of the day, they knew where his body was.
36:34
Speaker 8: I'm very curious as to what that final conversation was
36:38
Speaker 8: like with him, you know, did he actually did he
36:40
Speaker 8: actually tell them? You know, Mom, Dad, I think I'm
36:43
Speaker 8: just going to go out here and end it, and
36:45
Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you specifically where it was. Think
36:47
Speaker 8: about what Max said and what you said within forty
36:50
Speaker 8: five minutes, Nancy, in this vast area and it is vast. Yeah,
36:55
Speaker 8: and where, by the way, let me remind everybody forgotten
37:00
Speaker 8: about this group of people. They've put all of the
37:03
Speaker 8: searchers at risk out here, alligator snakes, dehydration for days,
37:09
Speaker 8: for days, and they put these people out there at risk,
37:12
Speaker 8: and they walk right to the body and all of
37:15
Speaker 8: this evidence, and Nancy, I got to say one more thing,
37:19
Speaker 8: the most striking piece of evidence to me, and it's
37:22
Speaker 8: just the old debt investigator in me. Out of everything,
37:25
Speaker 8: you know, we had skeletal remains, we had this weapon
37:27
Speaker 8: that we had talked about. But one of the things
37:29
Speaker 8: that just made me want to bite the head off
37:31
Speaker 8: a tenpenny nail is that out there at that scene
37:36
Speaker 8: they found adjacent to his body, red ball cap. You
37:41
Speaker 8: know what that red ball cap said. It said Moab Roasters.
37:47
Speaker 8: I wonder where he bought that. Out of all the
37:49
Speaker 8: hats he could have chosen, that's the one that he
37:51
Speaker 8: picked up as he was walking out that door for
37:53
Speaker 8: the final time. And he went out there and he
37:55
Speaker 8: took that hat, and I think that hat left out
37:58
Speaker 8: there was a great, big old screw you to everybody.
38:01
Speaker 8: That's what I was thinking.
38:01
Speaker 2: That's where he was caught beating Gabby out on the
38:05
Speaker 2: street as we all know, you know to Laura Ingele,
38:09
Speaker 2: senior correspondent Fox and he he's joining us, Laura. I
38:13
Speaker 2: believe that in point number fourteen, paragraph number fourteen, the
38:18
Speaker 2: date it is pinpointed of the murder being August twenty seventh.
38:24
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's because that's the last day that
38:27
Speaker 2: her mother and Nicole Schmidt spoke with her.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
38:30
Speaker 4: I do believe it's that, And it also coincides with
38:34
Speaker 4: their sightings. And remember the Moab incident happens that's been
38:39
Speaker 4: so widely watched with the police body cam footage. But
38:42
Speaker 4: then they make their way and then Jackson I went
38:45
Speaker 4: to this place. It's the Mary Piglets and it's a
38:48
Speaker 4: restaurant that it was a last known public sighting, and
38:52
Speaker 4: we don't know what happened, and we've been trying to
38:54
Speaker 4: get our hands on any security footage of this restaurant.
38:57
Speaker 4: But there was some kind of a fight, some kind
38:59
Speaker 4: of an altercation between Brian and Gabby, an argument they
39:04
Speaker 4: were lasting, and so I and I stood there. So
39:07
Speaker 4: you're standing at the restaurant and you look down the
39:09
Speaker 4: long road, and down that long road is where the
39:12
Speaker 4: campground was. So they were at this restaurant, they have
39:15
Speaker 4: an argument, they get in the carts to the van,
39:17
Speaker 4: they go down to the campground, they turn in, they
39:19
Speaker 4: set up camp. Then you know, the other bloggers bought
39:23
Speaker 4: the van, which helped us locate where they were. But
39:26
Speaker 4: it's that last those are the last moments. There was
39:29
Speaker 4: something going on on that date on August twenty seventh,
39:33
Speaker 4: during the day and then it was later that night
39:37
Speaker 4: that that's when they believe. And there's forensics involved here
39:40
Speaker 4: too in terms of her body, where she was found,
39:43
Speaker 4: how she was found, that it all ties together that
39:46
Speaker 4: August twenty seventh is the date that she died.
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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to our cut eleven.
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Speaker 2: This is jbb know WFLA News Channel eight.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this point number twenty five.
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Speaker 11: On September fourteen, twenty twenty one, with full knowledge that
40:02
Speaker 11: Gabrielle Potito had been murdered by their son, Christopher Laundry,
40:05
Speaker 11: and ROBERTA. Laundry, through their lawyer, issued the following statement,
40:09
Speaker 11: quote unquote, it is our understanding that a search has
40:12
Speaker 11: been organized for miss Potito in or near Grand Titan
40:15
Speaker 11: National Park in Wyoming, on behalf of the Laundry family.
40:18
Speaker 11: It is our hope that the search for miss Potito
40:20
Speaker 11: is successful and that Miss Potito is reunited with her family.
40:23
Speaker 11: Point number twenty nine and point number thirty.
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Speaker 2: As Laura Ingele told us, full knowing their son had
40:32
Speaker 2: murdered Gabby, they give a public statement.
40:36
Speaker 1: Wow.
40:37
Speaker 2: I hope they find her. The search for Gabby is
40:42
Speaker 2: something I will never forget. We wait as this case
40:48
Speaker 2: continues to unfold. Goodbye friend,