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Episode 31_ Dylan Redwine(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: What's up, you guys. I'm Haley and I'm Andrea, and
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Speaker 1: this is Inhuman. So today's case is one that was
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Speaker 1: also recently solved, just like Andrea's case last week, and
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Speaker 1: a conviction was made, but it is a little bit
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Speaker 1: more recent. It wasn't cold for quite so long. And
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Speaker 1: I am so freaking happy to be sharing a solved
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Speaker 1: case and one that was recently solved. I had heard
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Speaker 1: this story a long time ago, and it's been a
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Speaker 1: very long process to get justice, like before it was solved. Yeah, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's been a long it's been a
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Speaker 1: long time. But today I am covering the murder of
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Speaker 1: Dylan red Wine. And just a little warning. He was
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Speaker 1: a kid when he was murdered. He was I think
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Speaker 1: thirteen years old, So just like a little warning.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I know this one.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, it's a it's a lot. Yeah, it's an
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Speaker 1: interesting one. So okay, let's just get into it, okay.
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Speaker 1: Dylan Nicholas red Wine was born February sixth, nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: nine to Mark and Elaine red Wine in Colorado. And
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Speaker 1: this just like hits really close to home because my
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Speaker 1: sister was also born in nineteen ninety nine, so it's
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Speaker 1: just like, you know, around my sister's age.
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Speaker 2: Well one of my sisters. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Dylan had one older brother, Corey, and two half siblings
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Speaker 1: from his father's first marriage, and he was known as
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Speaker 1: being like quiet but still social. He loved to play baseball,
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Speaker 1: and he loved hanging out with his friends, and like
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Speaker 1: most teenagers, he was obsessed with his phone, always on it.
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Speaker 1: Dylan's dad, Mark, was a trucker, so he would be
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Speaker 1: like gone for long stretches of time for his job,
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Speaker 1: and this, of course was tough on the family and
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Speaker 1: on his wife, and it led to a lot of
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Speaker 1: marital problems between Mark and Elaine, which like totally understandable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Eventually Mark and Elaine got divorced after they had been
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Speaker 1: together for eighteen years. Oh man, So it was really sad.
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately the divorce did not go well. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure most divorces don't go well, but like I know,
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Speaker 1: some are kind of more like amiable and low kei
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Speaker 1: and like you know, a nice split, but not this one.
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Speaker 1: It was super messy and there was a really nasty
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Speaker 1: custody battle over the kids. So of course this took
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Speaker 1: a very you know, took a toll on Dylan and Corey,
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Speaker 1: and as part of the custody battle, the judge actually
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Speaker 1: met with the two boys to talk to them about
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Speaker 1: like which parent they wanted to live with. And this
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Speaker 1: kind of surprised me because I didn't think judges would
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Speaker 1: do that, but at the same time, like, yeah, they
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Speaker 1: were in their teens, so I guess it makes sense.
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Speaker 4: Like, and it depends on your state too, Like some
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Speaker 4: states they don't even give a rats ask about what
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Speaker 4: the kid thinks, but then other states, like once you
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Speaker 4: are a teenager, like thirteen, I think is the most
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Speaker 4: thirteen to sixteen is the normal age they do consider
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Speaker 4: that well interesting, especially if both parents are fighting and
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Speaker 4: they have a good case behind them.
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Speaker 2: They definitely want to take iteration.
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Speaker 1: That's good. That's good to like hear, because it definitely
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Speaker 1: I feel like kids should have a say in that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah they should, I think, so definitely.
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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, So yeah, So the judge did that, and
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Speaker 1: Dylan told the judge that he did not want to
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Speaker 1: live with his father. Dylan and his father, Mark's relationship
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Speaker 1: was always kind of off, but when Mark and Elaine
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Speaker 1: were going through the divorce, Dylan grew even farther apart
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Speaker 1: from his father. He was really upset with the way
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Speaker 1: that Mark was treating his mom. So Dylan told a
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Speaker 1: judge during the custody battle that he wanted to live
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Speaker 1: with his mom, and Elaine was granted full custody of Dylan,
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Speaker 1: and Mark was going to have visitation. Okay, And I
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Speaker 1: couldn't find exactly what happened with Corey, but by the
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Speaker 1: time this was all kind of done, he was eighteen, so.
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Speaker 2: They probably kept them together.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he he chose, as you know, an adult,
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Speaker 1: once he's eighteen, he gets to choose. And he chose
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Speaker 1: also to not live with his father. Interesting, Okay, So Dylan,
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Speaker 1: who was thirteen, was living with his mom and her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend in a town near Colorado Springs, and Mark was
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Speaker 1: living in Bayfield, Colorado, which is basically like the other
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Speaker 1: side and like south in Colorado near Durango, and he
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Speaker 1: would Mark was going to get visitation with Dylan, and
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Speaker 1: again Corey wasn't required to visit because he was eighteen,
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Speaker 1: so he didn't have to do anything anymore.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: The visitation that Mark had usually ended up in him
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Speaker 1: and Dylan arguing and from reports, it seemed like Mark
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Speaker 1: was kind of like taking out his frustration about the
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Speaker 1: entire divorce and his frustration with his ex wife on Dylan.
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Speaker 1: So it just didn't go well and Dylan didn't love it.
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Speaker 1: But of course, like having arguments wouldn't change the court
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Speaker 1: what the court ruled, and he had visitations, so Dylan
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Speaker 1: had to keep going to visit him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have to comply, unfortunately in some cases.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure Elaine was worried about like losing
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Speaker 1: custody if they didn't comply. Yeah, So on November eighteenth,
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Elaine drove Dylan to the airport so he
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Speaker 1: could fly down to visit his father for the week
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Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving. And you know, they both live in Colorado,
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Speaker 1: but it was like a good like six hour drive,
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Speaker 1: so that's why he was flying down. And as I mentioned,
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Speaker 1: this was court ordered, so he had to go, but
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Speaker 1: Dylan was dreading it. He did not want to visit
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Speaker 1: his father with their strained relationship. And then he was
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Speaker 1: also upset because this time his brother Corey would not
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Speaker 1: be going with him, so Dylan was going to be
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Speaker 1: all alone with his father and his father's like house,
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Speaker 1: in where he lived was a little more like isolated
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Speaker 1: and stuff, so he just was like dreading it. O,
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Speaker 1: that's so sad. Dylan texted his mom when the plane landed,
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Speaker 1: and he was clearly still upset that he was there,
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Speaker 1: and he said like something along the lines of you know,
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Speaker 1: my plane landed, and then sent like a sad face emoji.
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Speaker 1: So he just was like not not happy. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: that was the last message that Dylan ever sent to
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Speaker 1: his mother. So Mark picked Dylan up from the airport
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Speaker 1: around six pm that evening and the true two drove
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Speaker 1: back towards Mark Mark's cabin. They stopped at Walmart and
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Speaker 1: at a McDonald's to pick up dinner, and that night,
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Speaker 1: Dylan asked his dad if he could stay at one
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Speaker 1: of his friend's house nearby. He was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I want to go stay with a friend, and Mark
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Speaker 1: didn't let him. So Mark was like, no, you have
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Speaker 1: to stay home tonight, and so Dylan made plans to
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Speaker 1: meet up with his friend at six point thirty the
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Speaker 1: next morning, which, like, to me, that just shows like
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Speaker 1: I gotta get out here. Yeah, Like you're a teenage
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Speaker 1: kid on like Thanksgiving break and you want to meet
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Speaker 1: up at six thirty, Like you must not be very
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Speaker 1: happy with where you are.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So now I'm going to go through Mark's account of
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Speaker 1: the next day, Monday, November nineteenth, So this next part
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Speaker 1: is all his account of what happened. So Mark said
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Speaker 1: that Dylan had slept in past the six point thirty
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Speaker 1: he was supposed to meet his friend, and slept in
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Speaker 1: till like seven seven thirty, and Mark woke up around
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Speaker 1: seven thirty and he headed out of the house to
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Speaker 1: run some errands, and he returned to the house around
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Speaker 1: eleven thirty am. When he got home, he said that
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Speaker 1: he found Dylan or he found the front door open,
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Speaker 1: the TV on to Nickelodeon, and a bowl of cereal
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Speaker 1: on the table, but no Dylan. And he also he
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Speaker 1: had said before he left that he had like tried
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Speaker 1: to wake Dylan up, so Dylan had like known that
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Speaker 1: he was leaving the house to go run errands.
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Speaker 2: Okay, did he wake him or did he just go
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Speaker 2: back to sleep?
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Speaker 1: Hunt, I don't know. He I think he kind of
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Speaker 1: like went back to sleep, Like it wasn't like, you know,
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Speaker 1: you have to get up right now. It was kind
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Speaker 1: of like, hey, I'm leaving, just letting him know. So
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Speaker 1: Mark said that Dylan's cell phone, backpack, and fishing pole
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Speaker 1: were all missing, so he figured that he had left
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Speaker 1: to go meet up with his friend like he planned
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Speaker 1: the night before, and he didn't really think anything of
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Speaker 1: it because you know, Dylan was like hanging out with friends,
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Speaker 1: and he went to take a nap and he slept
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Speaker 1: for about two hours, waking up around one point thirty.
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Speaker 1: And when he woke up, he found that Dylan still
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Speaker 1: was not home. So he was like, Okay, that's kind
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Speaker 1: of weird. So he got a bit more worried and
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Speaker 1: he started like texting and calling Dylan to figure out
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Speaker 1: where he was and got no response. So he eventually
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Speaker 1: went out to look for Dylan, and he checked in
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Speaker 1: with Dylan's friends and two of them told him that
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Speaker 1: they had been trying to get in contact with Dylan
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Speaker 1: all day but hadn't heard anything.
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Speaker 2: Oh no.
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Speaker 1: So at this point Mark was like, Okay, there's something wrong.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's heard from him. So he went to the Bayfield
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Speaker 1: Marshall's office to report him missing, and he also reached
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Speaker 1: out to his ex wife Elaine to see if she
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Speaker 1: knew anything. And this is like one thing that I
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Speaker 1: kept hearing that kind of I was like, hmm. There
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Speaker 1: were like people saying how ridiculous it was that Mark
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Speaker 1: reached out to Elane like saying, like, do you know
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Speaker 1: where Dylan is? Because she was six hours away. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it kind of I was like, Okay, I get that,
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Speaker 1: You're like he I mean, she likely doesn't know where
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Speaker 1: he is, but maybe he like he tried to go home. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I don't really like I get why he texted Elaine.
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Speaker 1: He knew that Dylan hadn't been happy, and you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe Dylan had found a way to get back to
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Speaker 1: his mom's house or something like that, or.
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Speaker 4: Maybe she had like a suggestion as to where he
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Speaker 4: could be, like what his thought process was, like his mom.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So so I understand that from Mark's perspective.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So Elaine also went and reported Dylan missing to the
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's office because of course she hadn't heard from him.
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Speaker 1: And then her, her boyfriend Mike, and her older son
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Speaker 1: Corey drove down or started the drive down to Durango,
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Speaker 1: the Durango area from Colorado Springs, and like I said,
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Speaker 1: it was about a six hour drive. So they headed
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Speaker 1: down and they got there late Monday night, and when
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Speaker 1: they got there, they spoke with the sheriff. They started
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Speaker 1: c like the area all around Mark's house, talking to friends,
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Speaker 1: like you know, just canvassing the whole area, trying to
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Speaker 1: see if they could find him. And oddly enough, Mark
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Speaker 1: was not out searching with them, so you know, suspicious, suspicious. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So one thing that really worried the family was Dylan's
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Speaker 1: lack of phone contact with anyone since the night before.
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, he was a typical teenager. He loved
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Speaker 1: being on his phone, and he apparently was always texting
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Speaker 1: people and talking to people on social media and stuff. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and the last message that was sent from Dylan was
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Speaker 1: at nine thirty seven PM on Sunday night, when he
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Speaker 1: texted his friend like confirming that they would meet up
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Speaker 1: the next morning. And so there hadn't been any messages
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Speaker 1: after that. And Elaine also noted how Dylan usually went
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Speaker 1: to bed like eleven o'clock or later, so it was
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Speaker 1: kind of weird that there was no there were no
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Speaker 1: messages sent after that.
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Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say, Like, what thirteen
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Speaker 4: year old is going to bed at nine thirty like
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Speaker 4: he would still be sending his friends text checking at
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Speaker 4: social media till like midnight probably exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So his friend had texted him at six forty
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Speaker 1: six am on Monday morning, which was fifteen minutes after
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Speaker 1: they were supposed to meet up, asking where he was,
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Speaker 1: and Dylan never responded. So, like I said, all that
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Speaker 1: until Elaine was contacted was from Mark's account, so you know,
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Speaker 1: as far as that's his story, but as far as
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Speaker 1: physical proof, we know that Dylan was at least at
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Speaker 1: Walmart on on Sunday night from security footage. So we
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Speaker 1: there's security footage of him at the airport near Colorado
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Speaker 1: Springs when his mom dropped him off, and then there's
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Speaker 1: security footage of him at Walmart with his dad, so
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Speaker 1: we know that he landed and he met up with
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Speaker 1: his dad and went to Walmart. Okay, So investigators, you know,
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Speaker 1: of course, started looking into Mark's story, just trying to
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Speaker 1: like verify everything and figure out if they could find
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Speaker 1: where Dylan might have gone missing. And they started by
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Speaker 1: confirming the errands that he had run on Monday, and
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Speaker 1: they were able to confirm that they saw that he
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Speaker 1: went to the post office and to his divorce lawyer,
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Speaker 1: so they were able to confirm all of that. Mark's
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Speaker 1: first suspicions were that Dylan had left the cabin on
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Speaker 1: foot to either go to a local campground or a
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Speaker 1: friend's house and had like something had happened. But the
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Speaker 1: only issue with that was that his friend's house was
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Speaker 1: like nine miles away.
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Speaker 2: Oh it's a long way to walk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Colorado in November and a nine mile walk.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like rough terrain, freezing coal probably.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, that was a little suspicious to
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Speaker 1: like a lane, but you know, police could didn't really
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Speaker 1: have anything to go off of, so they started looking
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Speaker 1: at this as a runaway, especially because Dylan had clearly
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Speaker 1: not wanted to be there. They were like, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe he was trying to get home and he got
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Speaker 1: hurt or got lost or something happened. Like you know,
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Speaker 1: they're they're kind of going that path. So Elaine, however,
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Speaker 1: despite what the police were saying, said that she knew
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Speaker 1: her ex husband and her son, and she claimed that
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Speaker 1: it was not like Dylan to run away like that,
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Speaker 1: and she also said that she did not believe a
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Speaker 1: single word of mark story. Interesting thankfully, though, police did
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Speaker 1: take this seriously, which like always happened. Yeah, So they
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Speaker 1: set up a search in the San Juan mountains that
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Speaker 1: were surrounding Mark's cabin, and just like for reference, this
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Speaker 1: area was pretty heavily wooded. There were canyons, a ton
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Speaker 1: of mountains that were like, you know, six thousand feet elevation.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're in Colorado, so they're up high. There's
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Speaker 1: dense forest. So they started to set up a search.
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Speaker 1: That was going to be difficult because of this terrain,
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Speaker 1: but they set it up. They used ATVs, they used
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Speaker 1: drones and K nine units to search as much of
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Speaker 1: the area as they could, and they really got going,
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Speaker 1: but unfortunately they did not find anything in that initial search.
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Speaker 1: As the holiday week went on, there were still no
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Speaker 1: signs of Dylan. They kept looking, but at this point
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Speaker 1: Elaine was pretty suspicious that Mark wasn't telling the full story.
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Speaker 1: And if you remember earlier, Mark had said that when
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Speaker 1: he returned home from running errands, Dylan wasn't in the
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Speaker 1: house and neither was his phone, backpack, or fishing pole.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: He also said that the door had been left open
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Speaker 1: and the TV was left on to Nickelodeon, But Dylan
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Speaker 1: hadn't watched Nickelodeon in months, according to Elaine, because he
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Speaker 1: had recently become like hooked on MTV. So Elaine was
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Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, I like that's one thing
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Speaker 1: that's weird. And she was even saying like, Mark, you
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Speaker 1: didn't even know your son well enough to like make
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Speaker 1: up a story about him, yeah, which like I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you know what your kid's watching on TV.
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Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And she also thought that it was weird that Dylan's
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Speaker 1: fishing pole was missing because she said that Dylan had
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Speaker 1: been fishing before, but he didn't really know a lot
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Speaker 1: about it, so she didn't think that he would go
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Speaker 1: by himself. But again, he could have been meeting up
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Speaker 1: with a friend, but none of his friends.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: At this point, Elaine couldn't really do much with her suspicions,
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Speaker 1: though the family did all that they could to spread awareness,
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Speaker 1: including setting up like a Facebook page. They set up
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Speaker 1: a fifty five thousand dollars reward for any information, and
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Speaker 1: they really utilized social media and it did help get
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Speaker 1: the message out there and bring a lot of attention
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Speaker 1: to this case. Thankfully, the family and everyone in the
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Speaker 1: community continued to hold out hope that Dylan would be
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Speaker 1: found alive. The community really came together and they were
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Speaker 1: holding out hope. The weekend after Thanksgiving, a canine unit
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Speaker 1: actually picked up Dylan sent at the Valacido Lake. So
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Speaker 1: they sent divers and they also sent boats with like
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Speaker 1: object detecting sonar to try to canvass the whole lake,
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Speaker 1: but unfortunately they still didn't find anything. Shortly after this,
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Speaker 1: Brandon red Wine, who was Dylan's half brother and Mark's
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Speaker 1: biological son, drove to Colorado with his family from Arizona
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Speaker 1: to help with the search. And Brandon also had a
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Speaker 1: pretty strained relationship with Mark, so I feel like he
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Speaker 1: kind of felt for Dylan and like felt that he
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Speaker 1: needed to help. And so, you know, everybody was there searching,
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Speaker 1: The community was searching. His name and photo were everywhere.
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Speaker 1: They were doing all that they could. During all of this,
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Speaker 1: Mark stuck with the same story and he did appear
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Speaker 1: distraught on news segments and to the public. He claimed
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Speaker 1: that he cooperated fully with the police, and they finally
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Speaker 1: did search his cabin. Inside they found a few drops
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Speaker 1: of Dylan's blood, but Mark's girlfriend explained that away as
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Speaker 1: coming from a cut that Dylan had gotten while visiting
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Speaker 1: the year before. So and again there just wasn't much
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Speaker 1: they could do about it. Because like Dylan had been
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Speaker 1: there before, so it's not like it would be the
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Speaker 1: weirdest thing.
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Speaker 2: And it was just a couple of drops. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: like a golln of his.
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Speaker 3: Blood or I don't even know, yeah exactly, you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, investigators finally took Mark in for an interview, and
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Speaker 1: at the time they told him he wasn't a suspect,
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Speaker 1: but they just wanted to talk to him. He was
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Speaker 1: also polygraphed, and so was Elaine. And Elaine did pass
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Speaker 1: her polygraph test easily, but Mark failed his oh miserably. Sure, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we don't know like what was asked or like
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Speaker 1: what actually you know he failed on Yeah, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: as we know, polygraph tests can't always be taken seriously.
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Speaker 1: But still it's a little suspicious that he failed so miserably.
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Speaker 4: They're pretty telling though, because I feel like in most
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Speaker 4: cases they're like okay, like we don't really take it
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Speaker 4: into like huge consideration, but when the person is guilty,
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Speaker 4: they almost always fail, and when the person is innocent,
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Speaker 4: they almost always passed.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, yeah, like how much can it
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Speaker 1: really not be true? But yeah, so the case unfortunately
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Speaker 1: went cold for a few months, but in February twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 1: a new search was happening. And I'm not sure like
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Speaker 1: what prompted this new search to begin, but it did,
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Speaker 1: and police brought in cadaver dogs and searched around like
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Speaker 1: all the areas around Mark's cabin, but again they found nothing.
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Speaker 1: Just nothing was coming up. Then the family went on
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Speaker 1: the Doctor Phil Show and oh.
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Speaker 2: My gosh, wow, Okay.
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Speaker 1: It is wild. You can watch it on YouTube. It's
18:27
Speaker 1: almost like it's well, it's like over two hours long,
18:29
Speaker 1: but there's some overlap of it. Okay, this might be
18:33
Speaker 1: an unpopular opinion. I'm not sure, but I am not
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Speaker 1: a fan of Doctor Phil and like the Doctor Phil's show.
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Speaker 1: I just like I've never really watched his show, but
18:42
Speaker 1: the ones that I do, he just frustrates me.
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Speaker 4: I feel like when he first came out, like he
18:48
Speaker 4: really did like try to help people, and like the
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Speaker 4: show was taken seriously, but like after several years it
18:57
Speaker 4: like became almost like a joke.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a typical like talk show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it wasn't all.
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Speaker 2: He has a new show too, where he like goes
19:08
Speaker 2: into people's homes.
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Speaker 4: I watched it the other night, and I was like
19:12
Speaker 4: it was it was entertaining, but it was again it
19:14
Speaker 4: was just like, are you doing this because you were
19:17
Speaker 4: doing this for the money?
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Speaker 1: Right? Probably the latter. But yeah, So I did actually
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Speaker 1: watch the almost I watched almost all of it. I
19:26
Speaker 1: didn't watch the exact the whole name, but I did watch.
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Speaker 4: Hold On because I'm gonna laugh because I just thought
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Speaker 4: of the TikTok where the doctor Phil.
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Speaker 2: Have you heard it?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: Or he's like it's like his voice, it's like a
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Speaker 2: voice bite or whatever, and it's like, shut the fuck up,
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Speaker 2: bitch or something like that. You've never heard that?
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, I'm listening.
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Speaker 3: To you later.
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Speaker 4: But it's like I think he was repeating something that's
19:53
Speaker 4: like a kid had said to their mother and they
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Speaker 4: took it and made.
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Speaker 1: It into a TikTok and that's fun funny. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I did watch this episode. I didn't watch the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't. I had to stop, but I did watch it,
20:07
Speaker 1: oh my god. And I'll link it in the show
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Speaker 1: notes if you do want to go watch it, but
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to recap it for you here so
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Speaker 1: you don't have to go through.
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Speaker 4: That was the whole family there, including the dad or
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Speaker 4: was it just the mom, the boyfriend, and the sibling.
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Speaker 1: The dad was there, Okay, Yes, it was mostly the
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Speaker 1: mom and the dad.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So on the show, both Mark and Elaine continually accused
20:30
Speaker 1: each other of having something to do with Dylan's disappearance.
20:34
Speaker 1: You know, Elaine was explaining all the inconsistencies in Mark's
20:37
Speaker 1: story and all of that, and then Mark kept like
20:41
Speaker 1: trying to put it back on Elaine. Of course, Elaine
20:45
Speaker 1: kept asking Mark what he did to Dylan, saying that
20:48
Speaker 1: she knew that he knew something, but Mark continued to
20:51
Speaker 1: stick with the same story that he was out running
20:55
Speaker 1: Errand's and came back about the polygraph test that police
20:59
Speaker 1: had given them. Mark claimed that police told him, quote,
21:02
Speaker 1: there's been some conflict as to the results of my
21:07
Speaker 1: polygraph test.
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Speaker 3: Mark's polygraph test.
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Speaker 1: Then he said that police told him that he failed it,
21:13
Speaker 1: but then later said it was inconclusive. So he's like,
21:16
Speaker 1: you know, saying all this shit. And so doctor Phil
21:19
Speaker 1: being so generous, offered for Mark to do a polygraph
21:23
Speaker 1: test on the show, and of course they do it
21:26
Speaker 1: like offscreen because you can't record them. I guess like
21:29
Speaker 1: for it to be like valid, but he was like,
21:31
Speaker 1: you know, I have somebody who's done hundreds of these
21:35
Speaker 1: and like you you know, will do it for you.
21:37
Speaker 1: He was like, it'll help clear your name because clearly,
21:41
Speaker 1: like people think you're guilty because you failed it, so
21:43
Speaker 1: it'll help clear your name. Mark agreed to take the
21:46
Speaker 1: polygraph test and he was like, okay, I'll do it,
21:48
Speaker 1: but right before he was gonna actually take the test,
21:51
Speaker 1: he backed out and refused to take it, and doctor
21:54
Speaker 1: Phil was pissed. And that part was really funny because
21:58
Speaker 1: he was like, if you're really innocent, why would you
22:01
Speaker 1: not take it? Yeah, like yelling at him. It was
22:04
Speaker 1: so funny, and it's true, like if you're innocent, why
22:07
Speaker 1: would you not take it? But as I was thinking
22:10
Speaker 1: about this, I was like to play Devil's advocate because
22:13
Speaker 1: I have to. You're on live TV. You're probably nervous,
22:17
Speaker 1: and nerves can like really strongly affect polygraphes, which is why, like,
22:21
Speaker 1: you know, you, they can't be like in court and stuff.
22:24
Speaker 1: So I get why he was nervous, but come on, like,
22:27
Speaker 1: don't agree to it in the first place and back out?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
22:31
Speaker 1: So that was like most of the show was then
22:33
Speaker 1: yelling at each other, and then Corey, Dylan's older brother,
22:37
Speaker 1: came on. He talked about how horrible of a father
22:41
Speaker 1: Mark was, and he actually didn't call him dad anymore.
22:45
Speaker 1: He called him Mark. He said, then he was dead
22:48
Speaker 1: to him.
22:49
Speaker 2: That's telling.
22:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. He also talked about how Mark was never involved
22:53
Speaker 1: in any of the fundraising or like search efforts to
22:55
Speaker 1: help find Dylan. You know, I think he was involved
22:58
Speaker 1: in some of it publicly, but like from Corey's perspective,
23:02
Speaker 1: he was not involved like you would be if your
23:04
Speaker 1: son was missing, like.
23:06
Speaker 4: Doing just enough to like make people not be suspicious, exactly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then on the show, Mark just continued to defend
23:16
Speaker 1: himself and Corey literally said straight out that he thought
23:21
Speaker 1: Mark killed his brother. Like he was like you here,
23:23
Speaker 1: like so he straight up was like and again, remember
23:28
Speaker 1: there's never been anything found, so right, there's no.
23:31
Speaker 2: Evident of He's not even really a suspect. He's just
23:35
Speaker 2: correct the dad.
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Speaker 1: He's not a person of interest, right.
23:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:40
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's about all that came from the show.
23:43
Speaker 1: You know, nothing like came of it in terms of
23:47
Speaker 1: the case, but it did help get more national attention. Unfortunately,
23:51
Speaker 1: by this time, it was the dead of winter in Colorado,
23:54
Speaker 1: so police couldn't really like search a lot of the
23:57
Speaker 1: areas that they'd want to. I mean, even the initial search,
24:00
Speaker 1: they couldn't search everywhere because of the terrain and then
24:03
Speaker 1: the weather. So they did start planning a massive search
24:07
Speaker 1: that they would do once the snow and ice had
24:09
Speaker 1: melted in June. So they were planning a big search
24:14
Speaker 1: for June twenty thirteen. They were like ready that once
24:17
Speaker 1: all the once everything was melted, they were going to
24:19
Speaker 1: go all out. Okay, so this was a five day
24:23
Speaker 1: search and it was going to cover twelve miles of
24:25
Speaker 1: an unpaved part of Middle Mountain Road, which was a
24:29
Speaker 1: road that was parallel to Mark Street.
24:32
Speaker 2: Okay.
24:33
Speaker 1: There were forty five officers that began this search, and
24:37
Speaker 1: on June twenty fifth, twenty thirteen, they found something. That night,
24:43
Speaker 1: the La Plata County Sheriff's Office announced that they had
24:47
Speaker 1: evidence related to Dylan Redwine's case. They didn't say what,
24:50
Speaker 1: they just sad evidence. And then the next day they
24:53
Speaker 1: did continue the search as was planned, Like they planned
24:57
Speaker 1: a five day search. So they clearly didn't find a
25:00
Speaker 1: everything they wanted to find. But two days later, on
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Speaker 1: June twenty seventh, twenty thirteen, police confirmed to Dylan's family
25:07
Speaker 1: that they had found part parts of his remains.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I knew you were gonna say that.
25:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was about eight miles away from Mark's house,
25:17
Speaker 1: and it was in a remote, difficult to access area.
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Speaker 1: They had found the partial remains of Dylan RedWine.
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Speaker 2: Eight miles from his house.
25:25
Speaker 4: M m.
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Speaker 1: It should be noted that they never found any of
25:29
Speaker 1: Dylan's other belongings, So they found these remains, but they
25:32
Speaker 1: didn't find his fish in his backpack poll exactly. The
25:37
Speaker 1: medical examiner said that from what they found, they could
25:40
Speaker 1: not determine Dylan's cause of death, and this did not
25:45
Speaker 1: include his skull, so they they hadn't found his skull.
25:49
Speaker 1: I know for sure, that's like one of the things
25:50
Speaker 1: they didn't find. But from what they had they could
25:53
Speaker 1: determine it was Dylan, but they could not determine his
25:56
Speaker 1: cause of death. So of course, Dylan's family and the
25:59
Speaker 1: entire higher community was just devastated. At this point, Elaine
26:03
Speaker 1: and Corey still fully believed that Mark was somehow involved
26:07
Speaker 1: in Dylan's death, but Mark told the media that he
26:10
Speaker 1: was blindsided by the discovery of his son's body, saying, quote,
26:15
Speaker 1: I cannot wrap my head around it. You can never
26:17
Speaker 1: be prepared for something like this. I'm reaching out to
26:20
Speaker 1: his mom so he can have a proper burial, making
26:23
Speaker 1: sure he gets a proper burial, and the respect he
26:25
Speaker 1: deserves is what I have to focus on. That was
26:28
Speaker 1: like his you know what he said. And according to
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Speaker 1: the Denver Post, Mark RedWine said that after the announcement
26:35
Speaker 1: of the remains, his ex wife was driving on a
26:38
Speaker 1: street in Durango when she spotted him, rolled down her
26:41
Speaker 1: window and shouted murder. And that's again just what Mark claims.
26:46
Speaker 1: But it's clear that Elaine thought that Mark had killed n.
26:51
Speaker 4: I mean, she had the gut feeling from the gate
26:54
Speaker 4: and I think that, yeah, that's not something you lightly
26:57
Speaker 4: accuse someone of, especially someone's you know, yeah exactly, unless
27:03
Speaker 4: you really think.
27:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: There was not a lot that police could do at
27:07
Speaker 1: this point. There was no cause of death that they
27:10
Speaker 1: could determine, and there was no evidence of foul play.
27:13
Speaker 1: There was no other evidence that they found, like, there
27:16
Speaker 1: was nothing they could do. But Elaine was determined to
27:20
Speaker 1: get justice for her son. Good for her She finally
27:23
Speaker 1: like came forward and straight up told the media Mark,
27:27
Speaker 1: I think that Mark was responsible for Dylan's death. And
27:30
Speaker 1: then she also talked about how she had seen Mark
27:33
Speaker 1: be violent with the kids while they were married, So
27:36
Speaker 1: she was making it clear that it was not out
27:39
Speaker 1: of the realm of possibilities that Mark could have hurt Dylan.
27:43
Speaker 4: Wow.
27:44
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, Elaine was still pushing that Mark had
27:47
Speaker 1: something to do with Dylan's death, and the police were
27:50
Speaker 1: trying to continue to investigate. Elaine at one point was
27:53
Speaker 1: actually granted a temporary restraining order against Mark, and then
27:56
Speaker 1: in August twenty fourteen, police returned to Mark's home to
28:00
Speaker 1: do another search and they officially identified him as a
28:03
Speaker 1: person of interest at this point, So again, a person
28:06
Speaker 1: of interest is not a suspect. It's not somebody you
28:09
Speaker 1: think did it. It's somebody you think knows something about it.
28:13
Speaker 3: Right.
28:13
Speaker 1: They also at this point fully cleared Elaine, her now
28:17
Speaker 1: husband Mike, and Corey of any involvement, so they said
28:22
Speaker 1: they had nothing to do with it, but there just
28:23
Speaker 1: wasn't much more they could go off of at this point.
28:27
Speaker 1: On November one, twenty fifteen, almost two years after Dylan disappeared.
28:32
Speaker 1: A hiker discovered Dylan's skull off a path on Middle
28:36
Speaker 1: Mountain Road, so this was about a mile and a
28:38
Speaker 1: half away from where the other remains were found over
28:41
Speaker 1: a year earlier. The medical examiner did an autopsy on
28:45
Speaker 1: Dylan's skull and finally found something that they could use
28:49
Speaker 1: to prove Dylan's death was not an accident. He found
28:53
Speaker 1: a fracture above Dylan's left eye and then also found
28:56
Speaker 1: evidence of blunt force trauma to the head. So this
29:00
Speaker 1: rooved that Dylan's death was not caused by an animal,
29:03
Speaker 1: and his cause of death was officially changed to homicide.
29:08
Speaker 1: This finally started to break apart Mark's story. He had
29:13
Speaker 1: continued to claim that Dylan ran away and had fallen
29:16
Speaker 1: or been hurt by an animal, but this, you know,
29:19
Speaker 1: turned it around.
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Speaker 4: Do you know if they were able to determine that,
29:23
Speaker 4: I'm assuming he was partially dismembered, Like, were they able
29:28
Speaker 4: to determine like what was used.
29:30
Speaker 1: Or I don't If they were, they didn't announce it.
29:33
Speaker 4: I don't think so, because that would rule out an
29:37
Speaker 4: animal or.
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Speaker 3: You know whatever.
29:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if they could tell, like with
29:40
Speaker 1: the bones, I mean, maybe the animal would chew on
29:44
Speaker 1: the bones, but without like you know, having flesh and stuff.
29:46
Speaker 1: I feel like it'd be difficult.
29:47
Speaker 2: To Yeah, there would be teeth marks, I would think
29:51
Speaker 2: on the animals.
29:52
Speaker 1: Right, you're probably right, I mean, so yeah, I don't
29:55
Speaker 1: know if they like ever tested that, but they never
29:57
Speaker 1: talked about Okay, okay, So now, well at this point,
30:02
Speaker 1: Mark said, oh, well, maybe he wasn't, you know, gone
30:06
Speaker 1: walking off and got hurt by an animal. Maybe he
30:09
Speaker 1: was kidnapped and murdered, and that someone had planted the
30:12
Speaker 1: remains near Mark's house to frame him.
30:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they would just know that he lived there,
30:17
Speaker 4: I mean, if it was a random act, right.
30:20
Speaker 1: An FBI profiler who had been brought onto the case,
30:24
Speaker 1: who was named Pete Killsmet, he said that this new
30:28
Speaker 1: story from Mark quote has a mathematical likelihood of close
30:32
Speaker 1: to zero. So based on his profile analysis, kills Met
30:37
Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that Mark had killed Dylan. So
30:40
Speaker 1: this was just like this one FBI profiler. But they're
30:43
Speaker 1: pretty damn good.
30:44
Speaker 2: So that's their job. Yeah, they do this for a living.
30:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, So jumping forward to about a year and a
30:50
Speaker 1: half later, in July twenty seventeen, Mark RedWine was finally
30:54
Speaker 1: arrested for the murder of his son, Dylan. He was
30:58
Speaker 1: arrested in Bellingham, Washington, where he was currently on a
31:02
Speaker 1: truck route. He was still a truck driver. The warrant
31:05
Speaker 1: had been put out in Colorado for Mark on second
31:08
Speaker 1: degree murder, and so he was arrested in Washington and
31:12
Speaker 1: extradited to Colorado, and on August fifteenth, twenty seventeen, he
31:17
Speaker 1: was officially charged with second second degree murder and child
31:20
Speaker 1: abuse resulting in death. Mark pled not guilty on all counts.
31:26
Speaker 2: Wow, he's got a hold up that I didn't do it.
31:29
Speaker 4: It wasn't me, which I mean, they don't have much
31:33
Speaker 4: on him, if anything, really, I mean, they don't have
31:36
Speaker 4: anything on him. They don't besides, you know, word of
31:40
Speaker 4: mouth and tellings of stories and things.
31:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:43
Speaker 1: So it took a very very very long time for
31:45
Speaker 1: this case to actually go to court. It was rescheduled
31:49
Speaker 1: a whopping ten times, one of those times being because
31:54
Speaker 1: Mark's attorney was arrested for domestic violence.
31:57
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
31:59
Speaker 1: So it was finally recent scheduled for September of twenty twenty,
32:03
Speaker 1: but because of the COVID nineteen pandemic. The trial was
32:06
Speaker 1: once again pushed back to twenty twenty one. Okay, when
32:09
Speaker 1: the case finally went to trial in twenty twenty one,
32:12
Speaker 1: we learned some more of the evidence that they had
32:15
Speaker 1: that proved that Mark had killed Dylan. So the prosecutor
32:18
Speaker 1: said that Mark had killed Dylan in his living room
32:21
Speaker 1: with a knife, knife or other object. And then they
32:25
Speaker 1: said that they decapit, that Mark decapitated him before distributing
32:29
Speaker 1: his remains throughout the area surrounding his house.
32:32
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
32:33
Speaker 1: Now they had found trace amounts of blood all around
32:37
Speaker 1: the living room of Mark's cabin, so not just a
32:41
Speaker 1: couple drops. They found it under the rug, they found
32:43
Speaker 1: it on the couch, They found it on a love seat,
32:46
Speaker 1: and the blood on the love seat was confirmed to
32:51
Speaker 1: be Dylan's. So at least some of that blood was
32:54
Speaker 1: confirmed to be Dylan's. And it wasn't just like a
32:56
Speaker 1: drop from a cut.
32:57
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes more sense. They were just keep that
33:00
Speaker 4: close to the chest, I guess.
33:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. Kadaverdogs also picked up the scent of human remains
33:05
Speaker 1: in Mark's truck, his living room, and on his clothes.
33:09
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, yeah, there's their evidence.
33:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
33:13
Speaker 1: And then it gets even better. They were able to
33:16
Speaker 1: prove a motive, and this is where it gets a
33:18
Speaker 1: little more disturbing. So just a warning, it's gonna get
33:21
Speaker 1: a little gross. Okay, not that it wasn't already, but
33:24
Speaker 1: you know. Corey during his testimony, said that in twenty eleven,
33:28
Speaker 1: the boys had been on a camping trip with Mark
33:30
Speaker 1: and during that trip they were like playing around on
33:33
Speaker 1: Mark's computer playing games, and on the laptop they discovered
33:38
Speaker 1: some very disturbing photos. These included one of Mark in
33:43
Speaker 1: red lipstick and a red bra and another one of
33:46
Speaker 1: him eating human feces out of a baby diaper.
33:51
Speaker 4: I mean the first part like do you like if
33:55
Speaker 4: you're like, do you but poo poos no, poo, any
34:03
Speaker 4: kind of bodily functioned like no, no.
34:05
Speaker 1: No, yeah, and like he doesn't have a baby, so
34:09
Speaker 1: we couldn't have said, like I'm just it's.
34:11
Speaker 3: A fetish thing.
34:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's disgusting. So someone took these pictures or
34:15
Speaker 2: I guess he could have set up a care or.
34:17
Speaker 1: He might have taken them. Yeah. This so the boys
34:20
Speaker 1: were obviously disgusted by this, and they like took pictures
34:24
Speaker 1: of the photos on the laptop just to like, you know,
34:27
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you like to be like, oh
34:29
Speaker 1: my god, look what I just found. But they didn't
34:31
Speaker 1: say anything to Mark or anything, and Corey later confronted
34:36
Speaker 1: his father about the photos in early twenty twelve, and
34:39
Speaker 1: when he did, Mark got extremely angry and upset and
34:42
Speaker 1: reacted violently, according to Corey. So the prosecution took this
34:46
Speaker 1: and laid out a motive. They said that Dylan likely
34:50
Speaker 1: finally confronted Mark about these photos, and I'm I could
34:53
Speaker 1: even see it, being like him being annoyed that he
34:56
Speaker 1: was there and frustrated, and then Mark saying something and
34:58
Speaker 1: him being like, well, at least I don't like blah
35:00
Speaker 1: blah blah and talking about the photos or being there.
35:02
Speaker 1: H well I saw those photos like something like that.
35:05
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just my opinion. But they said
35:07
Speaker 1: that their suspicions were that Dylan confronted him and on
35:13
Speaker 1: the night of November eighteenth, twenty twelve, and that made
35:16
Speaker 1: Mark go into a fit of rage, as Corey had
35:19
Speaker 1: seen him do before. They say that this then resulted
35:22
Speaker 1: in Dylan's death, and that Mark had been lying ever since,
35:26
Speaker 1: so they finally had more than just like evidence there
35:29
Speaker 1: was like this could be a motive.
35:30
Speaker 4: That's first of all, if you're gonna let your kids
35:33
Speaker 4: play on your computer, don't have things like that if
35:36
Speaker 4: you don't want them to find them, and don't get
35:39
Speaker 4: mad when they call you out for it, because like
35:42
Speaker 4: you should be in Pooh.
35:43
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Mark of course denied all of this to
35:48
Speaker 1: his lawyers. He did not take the stand, but he
35:50
Speaker 1: even went as far to say that the person in
35:52
Speaker 1: the photos was not him. He claimed that Elaine had
35:57
Speaker 1: photoshopped him into the photos. Okay, I don't think anybody
36:00
Speaker 1: believed this. Did they still have the photos or was
36:03
Speaker 1: there no comment about I don't know if they had
36:05
Speaker 1: the actual photos. I have seen the photos of the
36:08
Speaker 1: photos like that the boys too, Like those weren't the
36:11
Speaker 1: best quality. So like you maybe could say it was
36:15
Speaker 1: that you couldn't tell if it was photoshopped, but I
36:18
Speaker 1: don't think anybody believed it was photoshoped. Gonna look it up, Okay, yeah,
36:23
Speaker 1: I I'll maybe post. No, I probably won't post them.
36:26
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wants.
36:28
Speaker 3: To see that.
36:29
Speaker 2: Oh I put Mark red and it said poutin picks.
36:34
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that bomped up war.
36:37
Speaker 1: Because it came out like just a couple months ago.
36:39
Speaker 4: This is warning graphic content. Okay, it's so nest, it's
36:45
Speaker 4: up close, it's all closed.
36:47
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
36:48
Speaker 1: Okay, you have a child. Could you imagine taking his
36:51
Speaker 1: diaper and putting it up? No, I put it and
36:54
Speaker 1: taking a photo.
36:55
Speaker 2: Oh, he doesn't wear diapers anymore.
36:56
Speaker 1: But when he.
36:56
Speaker 4: Did, I was like, get those of far away, because
37:00
Speaker 4: I have like, I'm a very gaggy person, like when
37:04
Speaker 4: it comes to smells just instantly, and I would gag
37:07
Speaker 4: all the time changing his diaper. So no, I cannot imagine.
37:11
Speaker 4: That's why I said nothing with any kind of bodily
37:14
Speaker 4: functions like that.
37:15
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, so yeah.
37:18
Speaker 1: The prosecution also had Mark's first wife, Betsy come up
37:22
Speaker 1: and testify, and she just had some interesting things to say.
37:24
Speaker 1: But again it was all like circumstantial and just like stories.
37:28
Speaker 1: But one of the things she talked about was that
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Speaker 1: they had a very violent and terrible marriage and said
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Speaker 1: that when they got divorced, Mark had threatened to kill
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Speaker 1: the two kids. What so his older boys, Yeah, his
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Speaker 1: older boys.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: She also told about a time that she and Mark
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Speaker 1: had been camping in the mountains and he made a
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Speaker 1: very cryptic comment saying that if he had to dispose
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Speaker 1: of a body, he would do it in the mountains.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: According to Betsy, Mark said quote, nobody would ever find
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Speaker 1: a body in the mountains.
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Speaker 2: Well they did, so you're not as smart as you
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Speaker 2: fucking think you are.
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Speaker 4: You horrible person to kill your own child and dispose
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Speaker 4: of their body, like I said in my case, that like,
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Speaker 4: to do that to your own child, your own flesh
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Speaker 4: and blood, is the definition of inhuman.
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Speaker 1: It is, it really is so.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Brandon, who was Betsying Mark's son, the one who had
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Speaker 1: come to help search from Arizona, also took the stand
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Speaker 1: and talked about how he had confronted Mark about not
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Speaker 1: being involved in the search for Dylan, and he said
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Speaker 1: that Mark had no desire to help with the search
38:35
Speaker 1: and never really appeared upset at least to like the family,
38:38
Speaker 1: you know, on to the media, he did, but never
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Speaker 1: like really appeared upset, especially early on when they thought
38:45
Speaker 1: that Dylan was like just a lot, was still alive
38:48
Speaker 1: and was just missing. He said, Mark like wasn't trying
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Speaker 1: to search because that's when it was like really necessary,
38:53
Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 1: But of course, the defense claimed that most of the
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Speaker 1: evidence was circumstantial, arguing that the blood found was extremely
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Speaker 1: minimal minimal, and that the cadaver dog evidence was quote
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Speaker 1: junk science, so of course, you know, if they had
39:07
Speaker 1: to do something. They also claimed that the marks found
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Speaker 1: on Dylan's skull could have been from a mountain lion
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Speaker 1: or bear. They tried to get a lot of the
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Speaker 1: testimony thrown out, which to me just says that they
39:18
Speaker 1: don't really have anything else to defend him, so they're
39:20
Speaker 1: trying to like devalue the prosecution's arguments and defense. The
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Speaker 1: defense held to the story that Dylan had run away
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Speaker 1: and been attacked by some sort of wild animal. On
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Speaker 1: July sixteenth, twenty twenty one, so about two months ago.
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Speaker 1: The jury deliberated for six and a half hours and
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Speaker 1: they reached a unanimous verdict which I will play here
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Speaker 1: from the zoom recording of the trial.
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Speaker 5: Jury rid account number one murder in the second degree.
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Speaker 5: We the jury find the defendant Mark right Awayang guilty
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Speaker 5: account number one, be quiet please, murder in the second degree.
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Speaker 5: I think I missed the part jury verdict out number two,
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Speaker 5: child abuse. We the jury find the defendant Mark red
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Speaker 5: Wine guilty account to child abuse, signed by Colin Parker. Further,
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Speaker 5: we the jury findet with respect to the Verdi question
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Speaker 5: as the discount as follows, did the child abuse result
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Speaker 5: in death? The answer is yes.
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Speaker 1: So they found Mark red Wine guilty on all counts.
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Speaker 3: He was guilty.
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Speaker 4: His blood was in a large significant amount of blood
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Speaker 4: was in his house like that alone.
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Speaker 2: Period.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, his story doesn't add up. There's a motive, there's.
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Speaker 4: No throw the book at him, yeah, all of him.
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Speaker 1: Sorry Andrews trying to throw a book, like twelve of them.
40:53
Speaker 1: So there are still people who believe Mark is innocent,
40:56
Speaker 1: but I think the majority of people do believe he's guilty.
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Speaker 1: He still maintains his innocence and he has never admitted
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Speaker 1: to anything or told the actual you know, what actually
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Speaker 1: happened that night. He's stuck to the same story. So
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Speaker 1: his sentencing will happen on October eighth, twenty twenty one,
41:13
Speaker 1: and he is currently facing forty eight years in prison,
41:16
Speaker 1: which I was like, forty eight that's it, But I
41:19
Speaker 1: think that's life for him.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, well, maybe how old is he now? He's
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Speaker 4: probably fifty probably, Yeah, I don't know. His son was
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Speaker 4: thirteen when he went missing. And that was in six years. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: how many years is that?
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Speaker 1: Nine? Nine years before this?
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Speaker 2: So forty eight it's not enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I will definitely update on our Instagram and
41:41
Speaker 1: Twitter like once he's sentenced, because I'm very curious. You know,
41:45
Speaker 1: some people are worried that he's not going to get
41:47
Speaker 1: the full forty eight years because that's like the maximum
41:50
Speaker 1: he's facing. So it's gonna be interesting to see he
41:53
Speaker 1: was it was second deary murder, so it's less than
41:57
Speaker 1: first degree, but still you killed somebody, so like, come.
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Speaker 2: On, I don't understand.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I understand like the meanings behind those, but
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Speaker 4: I don't understand how they can.
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Speaker 3: Conclude that that.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it wasn't premeditatd maybe, but yeah,
42:11
Speaker 4: even still.
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Speaker 1: Like they couldn't prove any type of premeditation, so I
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Speaker 1: guess that's why they had to stick with second degree.
42:18
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is the case of Dylan red Wine.
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Speaker 1: So freaking sad. But thank god Mark is finally in
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Speaker 1: jail and was found guilty. Yes, finally the family can
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Speaker 1: get some justice.
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Speaker 2: And all those forty eight years better stick.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I'm like very nervous. I will definitely
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Speaker 1: be watching it unfold, and I will keep you guys
42:45
Speaker 1: updated for sure, because my god, he.
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Speaker 4: Needs to pay for what he did. Yes, you're a
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Speaker 4: grown man, like, you're an adult. Like if you can't
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Speaker 4: handle a child, if that's the motive coming at you
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Speaker 4: with incriminating stuff like, right, you're apathetic?
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Speaker 1: Yeah your coward? Yeah, so yeah, that is the case.
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Speaker 1: Updates will be on Instagram and Twitter that are both
43:11
Speaker 1: in Human Underscore podcast, so you can follow us over
43:14
Speaker 1: there so you don't miss them. And that's all I
43:17
Speaker 1: got you, guys. I hope you guys enjoyed. I guess
43:22
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird to say that, but I hope
43:23
Speaker 1: you found it informational and that you are just as
43:26
Speaker 1: happy as we are that he has been arrested and
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Speaker 1: found guilty. So yeah, thank you guys for listening. We
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Speaker 1: will see you on Thursday, and until then, keep it human.
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Speaker 4: Bye