Latest / Only Bombs! Comedy Podcast / ONLY BOMBS! 36: AJ Higlesias | The Brutal Reality of Stand-Up Comedy in Austin
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- 0:00Only Bombs! Only Bombs! Welcome to the podcast
- 0:14where Thank you for having me, man. I've been
- 0:44very much looking forward to this since I reached
- 0:46out. I was like, I gotta see if I can get on
- 0:48this. This looks cool as hell. Dude, I appreciate
- 0:50you doing that, man, for real. I like your stuff,
- 0:53too, dude. Oh, thanks, man. I don't do it anymore.
- 0:59More like a scheduling thing and just like...
- 1:01It's a lot of work. It is, and I'm incredibly
- 1:05lazy sometimes. I get it, because you were doing
- 1:08the man on the street stuff. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't
- 1:13trying to like make it that... Like I wanted
- 1:16it to be like a man on the street thing. Yeah.
- 1:19And I wanted it to kind of be like an on the
- 1:21spot kind of interview thing. But then it became
- 1:23like very organized in a way. Yeah. And it was
- 1:28kind of like, we were kind of like just setting
- 1:30up in public, you know? It was like, it got to
- 1:34a point where we were like, we were scheduling
- 1:35people. Yeah. What was your setup? Because I
- 1:38saw you actually using a handheld mic and everything.
- 1:41Yeah, so my buddy Lewis, he was the one who produced
- 1:45it and edited it and stuff. It was like he had
- 1:48a camera. Well, we would do two cameras sometimes.
- 1:52So he had a handheld, something kind of like
- 1:54the ones that you're using now. And then we actually
- 1:55filmed on an iPhone most of the time. Oh, no
- 1:58shit. Yeah, and he had a sound recorder. and
- 2:02that has a SLR cable in it, and we just ran that
- 2:05with a hand mic. But audio, I think, was our
- 2:08biggest issue when we first started because there's
- 2:10so much background noise on the streets or in
- 2:13a bar or whatever. So we tried to make it sound
- 2:15as good as possible, but those first few episodes
- 2:18were really rough. Yeah. a lot of like having
- 2:23to isolate stuff and go through the editing process
- 2:26and comic say insane stuff even when they're
- 2:29not like in a setting like this too so it's like
- 2:31right we were trying to like I guess catch the
- 2:34algorithm in a way and I think that's kind of
- 2:37where it lost me because it's like I wanted to
- 2:38do it I didn't care about like how popular the
- 2:42show got sure yeah it was more of like we wanted
- 2:45to And we still I feel like we still did but
- 2:47like I wanted to like kind of showcase like what
- 2:50the scene is Really like for people say like
- 2:52me, you know what I mean? Right. I'm not like
- 2:54this I'm not huge or anything. It's like I'd
- 2:58still go out and I'll go do a mic or I'll do
- 3:01a showcase and it's more like let me I want to
- 3:03talk to the guys that I'm on the showcase with
- 3:05I want to talk to the people that I'm doing mics
- 3:06with and I kind of gave them a shot to kind of
- 3:09Exactly. Kind of like what you're doing is like
- 3:11to kind of just like hey, like here's who I am.
- 3:13Here's how I see the scene, here's how this,
- 3:16here's how that, you know? Yeah, that's exactly
- 3:18what I think I loved about it very much is because
- 3:20I did notice similarities in a way. I was like,
- 3:23it's really kind of cool how... you know, like
- 3:25how you go out and the things that you were asking
- 3:27them were like relevant questions. It wasn't
- 3:29like shock questions or controversial questions,
- 3:33you know? And I really love that because it gave
- 3:37people like a chance like to see them like working
- 3:39and then get to know them. And that's what I
- 3:41really loved about your stuff. And you had a
- 3:43lot of people that have been on this podcast.
- 3:45Yes. How did you normally catch them? Was it
- 3:49just like, was it always just shows or was it
- 3:51when you went like just went out and did these
- 3:52things? When we first did it, it was like at
- 3:59certain venues. So like the first one we ever
- 4:02did was Narbar. So we were just kind of like,
- 4:04all right, let's go camp out Narbar and see who's
- 4:07doing the mic or who's doing the showcase there.
- 4:08That's cool, man. And I would just go out and
- 4:10was like, hey man, like we're doing like, it
- 4:13honestly took like five, 10 minutes to shoot,
- 4:15you know? And it was like, we're like, hey, like,
- 4:18do you have like five minutes? Hey, do you have
- 4:2010 minutes to answer a couple of questions? And
- 4:23like it's really just, it's nothing super nuts.
- 4:26You can be as funny as you like. You can, you
- 4:29know, I basically just like was lobbing them
- 4:32kind of like, it's like, hey, you know, what
- 4:34do you think about this? Or how's this? How long
- 4:36you been doing this, you know? And I kind of
- 4:38wanted to give them their own time to kind of
- 4:40like showcase themselves in a way. So we were
- 4:43doing it venue based. So like on like our YouTube
- 4:45channel, it's like, oh, this is episode one at
- 4:47Narbar. This is episode two at, you know, Creek
- 4:49or, you know, Creek Wars are like our finale.
- 4:51So we had a lot of people who were hanging out
- 4:53at Creek in the back and were like, hey, do you
- 4:55have 10 minutes? Hey, do you want to do this?
- 4:57And then we also did Kill Tony special episodes.
- 5:01Oh, nice. So on that Monday, we'd go and just
- 5:06see who has a red wristband on and be like, hey,
- 5:08we need to talk to you. Hey, can we talk to you
- 5:10for five minutes? Yeah. We got nos. We also got
- 5:13yeses. And we also got yeses that we never filmed.
- 5:16Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. The Kill Tony episodes
- 5:19were very, like, Chaotic. Yeah, because we kind
- 5:23of shot it like guerrilla style right? Yeah,
- 5:26cuz they they're very like, you know, no no on
- 5:28filming at shakes, right? We filmed a few interviews
- 5:31at shakes during kill town ain't no way That's
- 5:35awesome, man. Yeah, I remember It was like some
- 5:38it was some girl who was just passing through
- 5:40and she's on the show and I've never seen her
- 5:41ever again But we were filming like on that side
- 5:44part like we're like the like the balcony is
- 5:47like in between the two buildings, you know what
- 5:49I mean? Yeah. And we were, we go, we're talking
- 5:53about the balcony to kind of like get like some,
- 5:54just some background or whatever. And I saw that
- 5:57the sliding door was open and like we looked
- 5:59and like we see somebody like doing like the
- 6:01microphone stuff. I don't know if it was like.
- 6:03Somebody saw us and they're like, huh? And then
- 6:05like I just remember Lewis like shutting the
- 6:08door and be like, okay We need to finish right
- 6:10fucking that before they kick us out Yeah, cuz
- 6:12they tell us that I went there last night and
- 6:14they literally told everybody like no filming
- 6:16you will be banned from the bar Yeah, you know,
- 6:18so I think it's kind of crazy that but I love
- 6:21that like, you know Like no filming and you're
- 6:22out there like with like a camera and like like
- 6:24a microphone a whole set up and shit Yeah, but
- 6:26so uh, so like so what do you do? Right. Do you
- 6:31think kill Tony is a good model for? judging
- 6:33good comics? Yeah, yeah, exactly. People were
- 6:36like, what the fuck, get him out of here. Yeah,
- 6:38I'm honestly surprised we didn't get kicked out,
- 6:40but then we just kind of started filming just
- 6:43outside. Yeah. It was just a lot easier to do
- 6:46like across the street with like, with the mothership
- 6:48in the background or with all the crowd in the
- 6:50background and stuff too. So like we, once we
- 6:53kind of like stopped doing it like secretly,
- 6:55we were like, okay, we need to do this like this
- 6:57just in case we don't get in trouble, you know.
- 6:59Have you ever actually gotten pushback from anywhere?
- 7:02No, um, like, obviously, like, people, like,
- 7:05will stare at us and stuff like that because
- 7:07we're filming on the street and stuff, but, like,
- 7:09uh, no, um, I've never, like, no one's, like,
- 7:13ever, like, came up to us, like, hey, like, what
- 7:15are you guys doing? Stuff like that. Okay. Yeah,
- 7:16like, no bar has ever been, like, you guys can't
- 7:18film here. No, no, like, with, um, like, with,
- 7:22like, with Creek, like, we filmed outside, like,
- 7:24on the patio in the back. Oh, nice. Like, we've
- 7:26done that, and, like, they don't really care.
- 7:29You know what I mean? Like they have people film
- 7:30whatever they film back there all the time anyway.
- 7:33We never did it like in the club, proper. I know
- 7:35like with Narbar, we were kind of like in that,
- 7:37if you've been there before, yeah? Oh yeah. We're
- 7:39like in that top section where like all the comics
- 7:42are waiting to go up. Like we filmed up there
- 7:43that no one's bothered us there either. Oh nice.
- 7:45And like on the street, no one's really bothered
- 7:47us. So it's like, we try to keep it as less intrusive
- 7:51as possible. Yeah, so like like with shit like
- 7:54we just did a Shakespeare's just one a straight
- 7:56Shakespeare's episode not a kill Tony one And
- 7:58we were filming all in Shakespeare's and like
- 8:00that was fine. No one really got mad at us. Oh,
- 8:02okay That's awesome, man. I love Narvar I post
- 8:05I say I don't hear a lot of mine those crusty
- 8:07motherfuckers. I'm like, I love that fucking
- 8:09place You need a tetanus shot before you go.
- 8:11Oh, yeah, man. It's like but it's fun, man Oh,
- 8:13it is. I I don't go as much as I used to like
- 8:18Narvar like it definitely holds like a special
- 8:20place in my heart in a way it's like It's definitely
- 8:23an acquired taste for some people, but I remember
- 8:26when I finally started getting more ingrained
- 8:30into the scene, I just remember having to bark
- 8:32for shows for Narbar and stuff, and kind of doing,
- 8:36cutting my teeth there, or working the door for
- 8:39somebody, or sitting on that back. on that back
- 8:44door being like, hey, it's a $5 show or whatever
- 8:46you have. It was like a pay -what -you -want
- 8:48kind of show. Yeah, donations only. Donations
- 8:51only, but you need to donate something to go
- 8:53inside. Yeah, exactly. I remember somebody dropped
- 8:55a cigarette into my cash box one time and he
- 8:57just walked in. I was like, you know what? Fine.
- 9:00That'll work. I'm like, whatever. Dude, this
- 9:01is Gnar, bro. Yeah, exactly. No problem. You
- 9:06can have the worst show ever or sometimes the
- 9:08best show ever. I think one of my favorite sets
- 9:11was actually at Gnar Bar. It was like right after,
- 9:14I went to, I was at like a rock show at Valhalla,
- 9:18like way down the street. And then I remember
- 9:20a buddy of mine hit me up and he goes, hey, like
- 9:22I have a spot for you if you can get here. I
- 9:26was like, sure man, but I was just at this show
- 9:29and I decided, like I didn't know I was doing
- 9:31comedy that day. So I'm on mushrooms at this
- 9:33time. Oh, no shit. Yeah. I was like peaking and
- 9:38I was like, okay. If I get through Sixth Street
- 9:41on a Saturday night, I can get there and fucking
- 9:43do this. Dude, holy shit. It was like the most
- 9:47packed I've ever seen Sixth Street. I don't know
- 9:49if I'm remembering this correctly, but I'm like
- 9:51weaving through people trying to get all the
- 9:53way down Sixth so I can get to Gnar Bar and do
- 9:55this set in front of I don't know how many people
- 9:58are going to be there, you know? Yeah. And surprisingly,
- 10:00it's like one of the nights where Gnar is packed
- 10:03as packed as Gnar can get. And it was just like,
- 10:06you know, people are still standing up and I
- 10:08remember doing my thing and like, it was like
- 10:11last summer sometime. It was like 95 degrees
- 10:13outside. I'm sweating my ass off. Yeah. And I
- 10:16end up doing really well. Really? No shit. Oh
- 10:20my God. And then the trip is over and you realize
- 10:23you're at your house still. Exactly. And I just
- 10:26remember being like, oh, okay. We did it. All
- 10:29right. Cool. Cool. Like my buddy Mark who was
- 10:32hosting was like, you're right. You look like
- 10:34you're sweating. I'm like, I am so high on mushrooms
- 10:36right now. God damn. Could have fooled me. That's
- 10:39like the first and only time I think I'll ever
- 10:41do that. Man, dude, I can't do anything on mushrooms.
- 10:44No? Stand up, dude. Like, but I've also, I've
- 10:48never had like actually good trip though. Oh.
- 10:50All of my trips have been bad and I don't know
- 10:52why. Oh no. Yeah, like, but I hear great things.
- 10:55It's definitely, I think... Don't know I hate
- 11:00I don't want to sound like to like Therapy speak,
- 11:03but you really got to just be okay with you got
- 11:05with what you got going on up in your head Yeah,
- 11:08you know it cuz it'll like open doors for you
- 11:10like I don't even know that was there That's
- 11:12very true, man. You know? Yeah. So it's like,
- 11:15I've had, honestly, I've never really had a bad
- 11:17trip. That's great, dude. It's comfort's a big
- 11:20thing. You gotta be somewhere comfortable. You
- 11:22gotta be around people that you like if you're
- 11:23doing it in a group setting. Yeah. I don't know,
- 11:26even when I've done really big hero doses. No
- 11:30way. The last time I did a hero, a big one was
- 11:32with, surprisingly enough, my dad. Me and my
- 11:34dad did mushrooms together. Really? Yeah, he's
- 11:37like a big... Like psychonaut nowadays really
- 11:40and yeah, it does like over like five, isn't
- 11:43it? We did five we did five milligrams of tea.
- 11:46We did tea. He makes it into like a tea Jesus
- 11:48dude Yeah, and he lives like on the road full
- 11:52-time now. So like he has like this big ass RV
- 11:54and like oh fun Yeah, so he was in Texas and
- 11:58he's like, let's like I I want a trip with you
- 12:00so bad and I was like, okay, cool Let's go do
- 12:02that And he has a whole French press thing that
- 12:05he presses it all down in. What? Yeah, and I
- 12:08just remember he's like, all right, just down
- 12:10the hatch. So we took it. And that was the first
- 12:12time I remember taking it as a tee before. Oh,
- 12:15wow. And it's probably the only way I want to
- 12:17do it nowadays. No shit, huh? It hits in two
- 12:20minutes. Oh my gosh. And I just remember being
- 12:22like, OK, I think we need to go outside now.
- 12:25And he does the worst thing I think anybody could
- 12:27ever do while you're tripping balls. He puts
- 12:29his hand on my shoulder, and he's like, I'm going
- 12:31to be honest with you. I get a little weird.
- 12:34I was like, what are you talking about? What
- 12:35the fuck? Now is not a good time, dad. It's not
- 12:38a good time. It's not a good time. Yeah, dad,
- 12:41what the fuck? What the fuck? Yeah. So it's,
- 12:45yeah, no, it's awesome. I swear by him if you
- 12:47can, like, I guess have a good trip. I definitely
- 12:50do swear by him. It's like a huge reset. I couldn't
- 12:52imagine doing, like, like five grams like the
- 12:56Hiradesi you're talking about. Dude, I did an
- 12:58eighth and I was... like fucking ruined, dude.
- 13:03It messed up my life for like 20 minutes, like
- 13:05hours. It was crazy, dude. You know those loops?
- 13:09You ever get in those time loops? Oh yeah, yeah,
- 13:12yeah. That was hard to... That's tough, yeah.
- 13:16I've been stuck in a loop before where I'm like,
- 13:19oh shit, I've been here, oh shit, I've been here,
- 13:20oh no, oh god. And you realize it and you get
- 13:23out of it. I don't know, when I did that five
- 13:26grammar, I think that's like... the hardest visuals
- 13:30I've ever gotten. I thought that was fake because
- 13:34I've done acid and I don't get nearly as much
- 13:39visuals. It's more of a in your mind kind of
- 13:41thing for me. Things will kaleidoscope a little
- 13:45bit, but I don't know. When I took that T, I
- 13:48was really seeing stuff. No way. My dad tried
- 13:52to get real deep on me and talk with me and stuff,
- 13:53and I'm looking at him, but I'm looking behind
- 13:56him. And there was like a fence line and like
- 13:59you ever seen like who framed Roger Rabbit? Yeah,
- 14:01like looking over the wall on the toontown. He's
- 14:03like all the stuff like kind of yeah. Yeah, I
- 14:05was seeing that and I kind of was just like I
- 14:08don't know what the fuck you're I don't know
- 14:09what you're telling me, but there's some crazy
- 14:11shit going on behind you. It was what? Yeah,
- 14:15like gosh, that sounds so magical. It was it
- 14:17really was I'm like and he had like those like
- 14:19zero gravity chairs that you can like lean back
- 14:21in. So we're like I'm like leaning back looking
- 14:24up into the trees and they start to like connect.
- 14:27into like, you know, like hexagonal shapes and
- 14:29shit, and I'm like, okay, all right, this is
- 14:32where we're going. Wow. And we probably just
- 14:34look like a couple of psychopaths just sitting
- 14:36in a chair going, wah! They're like, oh my God,
- 14:39what the fuck? People outside having their coffee,
- 14:41like what? Yeah, we're like at a campground.
- 14:43We're like at a family campground in the middle
- 14:45of the day. Right, hey, did you bring the uncrustables?
- 14:48Wait, what are those guys doing? So it's just
- 14:52looking at a bug in the grass. Whoa, look at
- 14:56that guy. There's so many of them. Bro, those
- 14:58are ants. What are they doing down there? Right,
- 15:02like, why are they so big? Exactly. It's like,
- 15:05what do you mean? Oh my gosh, when I did it,
- 15:08it was like, I just, I started seeing like, like.
- 15:11I don't know, like carousels and caterpillars
- 15:13and all sorts of crazy shit. It was like in my
- 15:15head, it wasn't like out and about. And then
- 15:18all of a sudden, dude, I just lost all control.
- 15:20And that was an eighth. So I couldn't imagine,
- 15:23like five, I'd be like, I don't even know what
- 15:24the fuck would happen to me, dude. Yeah, things
- 15:26didn't feel real for a little bit, I can't even
- 15:28lie. It's like when you're lucid dreaming, you
- 15:32know? Oh yeah. And that's kind of what it feels
- 15:34like. But you're like, oh, this is like, this
- 15:36is like happening. You feel everything breathing
- 15:39around you. And it's coming ready or not, dude.
- 15:41Oh yeah, I know. And I think that's another thing
- 15:43I feel like that people might have issues with
- 15:45when they do anything psychedelic is the letting
- 15:48go part. The letting go, yeah. That's another
- 15:51big thing. You kind of have to just let it run
- 15:53its course. You can't... You have to be like,
- 15:56okay, this is gonna be a big part of my day.
- 16:00Or my weekend even. And it's like you really
- 16:04need to just let it happen. That's true. And
- 16:07I feel like if some people have like that issue,
- 16:10like if you have like that, like if you can't
- 16:12just let it happen, like let it run its course,
- 16:15like that's when you kind of start getting into
- 16:17like bad trip territory. Dude, that might be
- 16:20it is that because I'm such an insane control
- 16:22freak. Yeah, that could, yeah. You know, and
- 16:25so I think there was like a portion of it where
- 16:27I was like fighting it being like, I'm done.
- 16:30Like I can't, you know, like no, no, I was like,
- 16:32we gotta do this, we gotta do it my way. It's
- 16:34like, that doesn't work like that. Yeah, man,
- 16:37it's like when people like, you know, like, it's
- 16:40like the guys who like tame lions or whatever,
- 16:42it's like, you need to, you're on their time,
- 16:43you're on their time. You're like, I respect
- 16:47you, I see you, you know? And that's kind of
- 16:49how, like, I try to explain to people, it's like,
- 16:51if you're gonna do it, like, you need to like,
- 16:53you need to let it do its thing, you need to
- 16:55respect what it's doing to you. Yeah. You know?
- 16:58And it's like, if you're able to let go and just
- 17:01kind of just like, all right, I'm safe, I'm chilling,
- 17:03let's just ride this out. That's when I feel
- 17:06like you can have a good time. Dude, I don't
- 17:08mean to get all Rogan, but have you ever tried
- 17:10DMT? No, actually, I haven't. Oh, see, that was
- 17:14awesome. Really? Yeah. See, that's the one I'm
- 17:16a little like, I'm a little skeeved out about
- 17:19it. I don't know. Really? I like, acid was still
- 17:24kind of a lot for me. I've done it a couple of
- 17:25times, but it's like, it's too long. It's like
- 17:2818 hours. Yeah, no. That's too long. And I like
- 17:31mushrooms, but it's like... I think I might be
- 17:33a little allergic, because every time I do mushrooms
- 17:35and I eat them or something, I puke. Oh, okay.
- 17:38Yeah, so that come up is really high for me,
- 17:40and I just puke every time, but when I had the
- 17:42tea, I never, I didn't, because it got rid of
- 17:44whatever was bugging me about it. Oh, interesting.
- 17:47So it just extracts all that stuff. DMT, I'm
- 17:50like, I've heard people be like, yeah, you just
- 17:52meet machine elves, and I was like, I don't know
- 17:54if I want to do that. Dude, you know, there is
- 17:57truth to that, because I don't know what I was
- 18:00expecting when I... did it, but I was like, you
- 18:03know, it basically everything that people say
- 18:05about like entities and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- 18:07That's a fucking thing. Like it's legit. Yeah.
- 18:09Like because it was almost like it felt like
- 18:11a welcoming. Like it was like. And it's the same
- 18:13story with a lot of people with that. Like it's
- 18:15so crazy to me. Yeah. And like, I don't know
- 18:17if I'm ready. Yeah. And the thing is, it's not
- 18:20bad, dude. Like the. Mushrooms were way more
- 18:25abrasive than that was really yeah, it's well
- 18:28at least for me Yeah, yeah, and uh, but DMT like
- 18:31I get there was like, you know I saw this being
- 18:33and it was like it made shapes appear and everything
- 18:36was made out of geometry And it what it did was
- 18:38it took the shape it would create a shape and
- 18:40then throw it at me Like here like look at this
- 18:43Wow, you know, it was like it was fucking nuts
- 18:45And I felt like I was on like a roller coaster,
- 18:47but like it wasn't moving but like the ground
- 18:50below me was moving. Oh my God. And I had my
- 18:54eyes closed and it was like, yeah, it literally
- 18:56felt like the closest thing to being in another
- 18:58dimension. Because like your reality too, that's
- 19:01another thing, is you are existing in something
- 19:04else. Yeah. Like it's the craziest thing. Oh
- 19:07my God. And I even narrated it to my brother.
- 19:10My brother and I, we were talking and I was telling
- 19:12him, I was like, bro, I know that I'm talking
- 19:15to you. I know you are in... my reality, but
- 19:18I am not here. Yeah. Oh my God. It was crazy.
- 19:21And I think that's like, I think that's where
- 19:23I'm like, kind of like, hesitant about doing
- 19:25it is because I'm like, okay. Yeah. I think I'm
- 19:29like, I'm very comfortable in my reality right
- 19:31now. I'm like, I feel like if that gets shattered,
- 19:33I really don't know how I would react to it.
- 19:36For me, it was legitimately euphoric. That's
- 19:40awesome. When I was done, I was like, I felt
- 19:41like... I was like, man, I was like, wow, this,
- 19:43I feel like the presence of love. Yeah, yeah,
- 19:45yeah, yeah, yeah. It was honestly insane. Oh,
- 19:47sick. You know, but it only lasts for like five
- 19:49minutes. See, that's a nuts five minutes. Yeah,
- 19:53it was a good five. It was a good five. I do
- 19:56a tight five of DMT every now and again. The
- 19:58band tool made a lot more sense after that. I
- 20:01was like, bro, I get it now. I had to start...
- 20:06You're like Maynard, you son of a bitch. I'm
- 20:10like, you're actually really smart. Oh, dude,
- 20:12you get it. The pieces do fit, dude. Yeah, dude.
- 20:18I know, I know. I know the business. Oh my God.
- 20:22Dude, I just watched them fall away, bro. Yeah,
- 20:27dude, it's like, it's fucking, it is crazy like
- 20:29that, man. So we gave you like the whole idea
- 20:31to actually go out and like, and start your thing
- 20:34like out on the street like that. Like, was it
- 20:36just barking like you were saying? The show kind
- 20:40of like, like I used to... Don't know like I've
- 20:44always like loved like talking to people like
- 20:47that's coming That's why you know do stand -up
- 20:49is because like I'm just I get to talk at people
- 20:52Yeah, knowing like like this isn't like the first
- 20:55I guess like artist Show I've ever done like
- 20:59back home in California like where I'm from I'm
- 21:01from like a little town called Los Banos, California
- 21:04Los Banos, where's that? Central Valley like
- 21:06if you're looking at a map of California. I'm
- 21:08like in the middle Oh, okay. Like where no one
- 21:11goes. That's cool though. Yeah, it's a town of
- 21:13like 35 ,000 people. Oh, okay. It's like dairies
- 21:17and tomatoes and cows and - Hell yeah. That's
- 21:21it. Good shit. Yeah, we're like an hour, we're
- 21:23like two hours outside of San Francisco, an hour
- 21:25and a half out of like Santa Cruz. So it's like
- 21:27we'd have to, we're in a valley, so we'd have
- 21:29to go over that valley to go anywhere cool. Man.
- 21:32And I used to throw like DIY like punk shows
- 21:36kind of. That's what's up. Yeah, so I was still
- 21:40doing comedy, but I was living in the Valley
- 21:42at the time. And a buddy of mine, my good friend,
- 21:46Andrew, and he was also my roommate, he, unfortunately,
- 21:49his house, he had a house out in the sticks,
- 21:52just outside of City Limits a little bit at Los
- 21:54Banos, so we had all this space. And unfortunately,
- 21:57his house burnt down. It was his parents' house
- 22:00burnt down, so we had just a foundation and all
- 22:03this land and his yards and stuff, so we're like,
- 22:05oh, well, let's throw shows there. Yeah, sorry
- 22:09about your house. Can we throw some shows there?
- 22:11He came up with the idea. That's fucking awesome.
- 22:13Yeah, and we're like, okay We're like, alright,
- 22:16let's like I we know tons of people in bands
- 22:18I know tons of like, you know independent like
- 22:20rap artists and stuff. Like how do we you know,
- 22:23how do we do this and we we call that it was
- 22:25called Wreck -It Ranch and we had Yes, yeah,
- 22:29we had we had three shows our first show was
- 22:32like a Halloween show and we sold tickets and
- 22:34everything like there's nothing that, nothing
- 22:36goes on in Los Banos, like something like that.
- 22:39So you're like, like, you know, house parties
- 22:42were a big thing there, like, you know, going,
- 22:44and all you can do is like mostly, the only thing
- 22:46to do out there is like drink or do drugs, you
- 22:48know? Yeah. So we were like, all right, let's,
- 22:50we have friends that are in bands, let's try
- 22:53and like organize something. And there's a lot
- 22:54of, there's a lot of my friends that made music
- 22:56that never had a chance to like perform or anything
- 22:59like that. So like. where my buddy Andrew was
- 23:01more like on the logistical side of things. It's
- 23:03like, he's like, all right, well, my girlfriend's
- 23:04dad's a lawyer, so let's draw up a contract saying
- 23:07like, hey, if any of our stuff, your stuff gets
- 23:09lost here, you won't be liable for it. Like we
- 23:10try to cover our bases as much as possible. We
- 23:12talk with the sheriff about noise, like a noise
- 23:14complaint or noise ordinances. We try to make
- 23:17it as legit as possible. We like, so we sold
- 23:19tickets at like 10 bucks a head or two for 15.
- 23:21People would buy, you know, they would buy tickets.
- 23:23We were putting up flyers around town and shit
- 23:25like all, and then our first show we had like
- 23:27over 200 people. What? I had friends that did
- 23:31security. I had friends that were bartenders.
- 23:33It was pretty cool. We set it up like that. And
- 23:35then to, I guess, promote the show, we would
- 23:40do live streams with the artists that were gonna
- 23:43be performing. Oh, nice. I would just kind of
- 23:48be like, hey, what about this? What do you got
- 23:50going on project -wise? That kind of thing always
- 23:54interested me. So when I... Like when I moved
- 23:58out here to Austin finally like it was two years
- 24:00last month I've been here and I was like, all
- 24:03right. Well, there's a ton of comics like I think
- 24:04it'd be really cool To talk to everybody but
- 24:07like I don't want Like I specifically didn't
- 24:10want somebody who was like a regular at, you
- 24:12know, kill Tony I didn't want someone who is
- 24:15like like a working comedian. That's fine. But
- 24:17like I just I wanted to talk to the people like
- 24:20me who are out there every day or grinding to
- 24:24do a show, grinding to maybe do 10 minutes on
- 24:26a showcase somewhere. And I feel like that part
- 24:33of comedy isn't talked about nearly enough. It's
- 24:37like, oh, it's a bringer show or all this thing.
- 24:42And people who are in it understand, they understand
- 24:45how the game works and how all this works. But
- 24:48I feel like... my show, I wanted to kind of showcase
- 24:51what it's really like for somebody who is out
- 24:54there doing it every day and what the realities
- 24:56of that is. And it's like, even if, I want to
- 24:59hear the complaints, not all the positives, you
- 25:01know? Because I can tell somebody, oh, I'm Lupin
- 25:03Olsen, I do stand -up, it's so great. Right.
- 25:05And to be honest, I feel like comedy is half
- 25:07shit. Yeah. You know? And I'm not saying that
- 25:11as a bad thing, that's just any art, I feel like,
- 25:14you get into. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna perform
- 25:16in front of two people and it's gonna suck, but
- 25:18you have to do it. Yeah. And it's like, when
- 25:21I tell people that, just when I tell people who
- 25:24aren't in standup that, it's like, what do you
- 25:26mean? Why do you still, why? Because I like to
- 25:28do it. But I feel like showcasing that to people,
- 25:32that's kind of what my goal was, is to be like,
- 25:34hey, here's where comedy happens, but also here's
- 25:38what the realities of that could be. you know,
- 25:42this isn't built for everybody. I'm not trying
- 25:43to be like, oh, we're fucking tougher than we
- 25:45are, but it's like, it isn't, you know what I
- 25:48mean? It's like, you kind of have to, I guess,
- 25:51get humbled by it a little bit. You do. You know?
- 25:54There is a massive learning curve, you know,
- 25:57like, and it's so expansive that there's no way
- 26:01to like, to... Just kind of ball it up and be
- 26:04like, okay, cool. This is the all around comedy
- 26:06guide. Like it's because everybody, everybody's
- 26:09journey is different. Like, no, it is. Like,
- 26:11I remember like when I first started, I just
- 26:14was like Googling open mics. I was like, I didn't
- 26:16even know how to approach an open mic, you know?
- 26:19Right. Yeah. I was just like, okay, well let's
- 26:21just see where open mics are or let's just see
- 26:24where I can do this. Like I just, like the first
- 26:27like real open mic I went to was like, it was
- 26:29in San Francisco and like, I didn't even perform.
- 26:31I just sat and watched. I was like, all right,
- 26:34well, let me, let me sit, let me watch, let me
- 26:36see how like this, this all goes down before
- 26:39I even try to like go and do it. So it's like,
- 26:42yeah, I made the trip just to go see. Sure. Yeah.
- 26:46Yeah. Did you come to Austin specifically for
- 26:49comedy? Yeah. Yeah, I did. What was it about
- 26:52Austin that intrigued you? I was, so I was living
- 26:57in, I was actually, I was living in Hawaii before
- 26:59I was living in Austin. Like I was there for
- 27:01like three years. And I was in the scene there.
- 27:04And I kind of was like, all right, I feel like
- 27:06I've done everything I could do in Hawaii. And
- 27:09I was like, all right, I want to go somewhere
- 27:12where one, nobody knows who the fuck I am. I
- 27:15want to go somewhere where it's going to be difficult
- 27:18and I know it's going to suck for a minute. And
- 27:21I was like, my three choices, I was like, L .A.,
- 27:23New York and Austin. And I was like, OK. Yeah,
- 27:26I would think that you would have gone to L .A.
- 27:29I can hate that city. Gotcha. Gotcha. I don't
- 27:33know if it's just the Northern California person
- 27:35in me that hates the city, but it's just, I don't
- 27:38know. I've been to LA a few times. I've done
- 27:40shows and mics and stuff out there, and I just,
- 27:43I don't know, it just didn't feel, I didn't like
- 27:46the way it felt. Yeah. You know? Sure. Yeah,
- 27:48it makes sense, man. Because I started doing
- 27:50stand -up in San Francisco, and it felt more,
- 27:53there was more of a community there. Mm -hmm.
- 27:55You know? Because you don't hear, San Francisco
- 27:57is such a big comedy town. But the guys and gals
- 28:02that are in it, everyone's really in it. And
- 28:06they were very welcoming to me when I first started.
- 28:08So I was like, OK, cool. I want to go somewhere
- 28:10that feels like that. It feels very comic -oriented.
- 28:14I can make friends easily. But when I was in
- 28:15LA, I just felt like, I don't know. I didn't
- 28:18feel like that warmness. And I know that this
- 28:22business that we're in isn't like that all the
- 28:23time. For me, I just was like, I don't know if
- 28:26I can do that little little Ford to live there.
- 28:29Sure, yeah. And I was like, okay, New York would
- 28:32be cool, but that would be tough also. And I
- 28:34was like, you know what? Fuck it, let's just
- 28:36go see what Austin's like. And I was like, well,
- 28:38Kiltoni's there, might as well try my hand at
- 28:40that, because everyone and their mom at the time
- 28:42was telling me about it. I wasn't even like a
- 28:45watcher or a fan of it or anything like that.
- 28:47Oh, okay, so you didn't even know about Kiltoni.
- 28:49I knew of it, but I wasn't like super like...
- 28:54all about it, like I'm not even like the biggest
- 28:56like Rogan fan even, you know, like, but I was
- 29:01like, you know what, like they're, they're like
- 29:04the gatekeepers right now. You know, they're
- 29:06the, I guess some people might say they're the
- 29:09necessary evil right now in a way. So, yeah,
- 29:12you know, but like just, and I was like, you
- 29:14know what, let's go try it out, let's go do it.
- 29:16And of course, like you have like that, that
- 29:18romantic, that romanticization of like the city
- 29:20and everyone's like, dude, you gotta go to Austin.
- 29:22I've had, I've had comedian friends from Hawaii
- 29:24go to Austin for like a week and they go, dude,
- 29:27it's fucking crazy. You gotta go. And I was like,
- 29:29it's fucking incredible. It's fucking nuts. I've
- 29:31never fucking done so much, you know, you know,
- 29:33I've never done so much comedy at one time, blah,
- 29:35blah, blah. And I was like, all right, cool.
- 29:36I guess it's settled, let's go. Yeah, there is
- 29:39something intriguing about Austin. Like, the
- 29:41reason why I wanted to come here was years ago,
- 29:44I just came and I just fell in love with the
- 29:46city, like, itself, you know? And at the time,
- 29:48I was playing music, and so I was really big
- 29:51with, like, I wanted to go see, like, the Stebrie
- 29:54Vaughn statue, and, you know, I played a few,
- 29:57like, shows out here, just me and my guitar,
- 30:00you know? And, but... You know, I've always wanted
- 30:03to do stand up. I just didn't know what to do.
- 30:06You know, so when I got out of here is that the
- 30:08first place I went to is the creek. Yeah. And
- 30:11and yeah, I got humbled like a motherfucker like
- 30:13that. Yeah, dude. You know, is so where was like
- 30:16the first place that you went to when you got
- 30:18here? Well, the first thing I did was like I
- 30:21I figured out where to go sign up for for Kelton
- 30:23because like I didn't know anything. I've never
- 30:26set foot in Austin. Wow. Like I like I've got
- 30:29an apartment like side unseen. I drove from California,
- 30:33from my mom's place, all the way here, got in,
- 30:37and I was like, all right, it's Mondays, I gotta
- 30:38find out where to go sign up on Mondays, figured
- 30:41out where to go sign up. I remember signing up
- 30:43and signing their release form or whatever, and
- 30:45I was like, ooh, this is, ooh. And you build
- 30:48it up so much in your head, and I was just like,
- 30:51all right, I made some friends, and then obviously
- 30:53I didn't get picked. If you get picked for your
- 30:55first time, it's fucking crazy. I did. You did?
- 30:57I did. Holy shit. Yeah, that fucking blew my
- 31:00mind. Yeah, yeah, I still think about it. It's
- 31:02almost like PTSD. It's like, yeah, so I was just
- 31:06like and then like I saw somebody like passing
- 31:07around like a open mic sign up sheet. That's
- 31:09when they were doing it at Poor Choices still
- 31:11and they were like, oh, we're doing an open mic
- 31:13over at Maggie Mays and that was like the first
- 31:15set I ever did. No, it was at Maggie Mays. I
- 31:18got an open mic at like two in the morning. So
- 31:19let me make sure I'm understanding. You did like,
- 31:21oh, two more. Yeah, it's like one in the morning.
- 31:24Like it was like. After kill Tony ended everyone's
- 31:27just like putting their time in or whatever and
- 31:29like for some reason I thought you were like
- 31:31you did like the parallel like you were going
- 31:32from my kill Tony that you wanna Maggie Mase
- 31:35cuz I've seen people do that I think back in
- 31:37the day and and I was like dude So you're you
- 31:40were like, hold on. Let me go ahead and just
- 31:41try this out real quick Yeah, I was like I was
- 31:44like this is my first night like out out like
- 31:46I need to do something some kind of stage time
- 31:49Yeah, and I like I was like, all right And I
- 31:52did get kind of, it humbled me and I'm like,
- 31:55oh yeah, you're not gonna get picked for your
- 31:56first time. You know, like why did I even, you
- 31:58know what I mean? It's like, well, also nobody
- 32:00knows who the fuck you are yet. You've made zero
- 32:02friends. You don't know anybody yet. So I was
- 32:05like, all right, let's just do my, let's do like
- 32:07my three minutes that they gave me at Maggie
- 32:08Mae's and it went well. So I was like, all right,
- 32:11cool. And then just the more, I guess I just
- 32:14explored and the more, you know, people I started
- 32:16talking to, obviously you make friends and stuff,
- 32:18but. I feel like this city can humble you a lot
- 32:21because you may think that, like with me, I feel
- 32:24like I got comfortable back in Hawaii because
- 32:26there were only like 15 comics then. And we all
- 32:29rotate spots all the time. Yeah. So you guys,
- 32:32it was like a little family, huh? Yeah. Yeah.
- 32:34So it's like, when I came out here, I was like,
- 32:35oh shit. Oh shit. Were you on the big island?
- 32:40Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I was. I went to
- 32:43Waikiki Beach like way back in like, I want to
- 32:45say like 2011. I loved it. Yeah. I loved it.
- 32:48You know, but it was like one of those like,
- 32:50but I have to leave. Exactly. Yeah. No, I moved.
- 32:53I moved to Hawaii, like in the middle of COVID.
- 32:56Oh, no shit. Yeah. Yeah. And I was staying with
- 32:58my buddy still and I was just like, man, I like.
- 33:01stand -up isn't happening because it's COVID
- 33:04and I just refuse to do Zoom shows. Zoom shows,
- 33:08yeah, that's right, I almost forgot about that.
- 33:10Yeah, yeah, I got asked to do a couple and I
- 33:12was like, there's no fucking way I'm doing that.
- 33:14I don't know, like, props to the people that
- 33:17did do it, but I just never was, I was like,
- 33:20I can't. Yeah, I feel that though. Yeah. I know
- 33:23exactly. Like, no hate to them, just in my own
- 33:25head, I was like, dude, there's no fucking way
- 33:27I'm doing a Zoom show to be like, yeah, so anyway,
- 33:29and then just be like, hear one guy. Yeah, like
- 33:32this. Like, I can't. I think that's worse than
- 33:34an empty bar. Right. I think it's way worse than
- 33:36an empty bar. Fuck that. Yeah. Just imagine like
- 33:38over the computer speakers, like you're just.
- 33:42You're like. Because the way Zoom structures
- 33:44like green light up, green light up, green light
- 33:46up. I'm like, cool, cool, cool. I'm like, so
- 33:47do I get lit? Like with a flashlight emoji, what
- 33:50the fuck's going on? How the fuck does this work?
- 33:54Yeah, just a big ass flashlight emoji. I'm like,
- 33:56if I wanted to perform in comics, I would just
- 33:58go do a bar open mic. Like, what are we talking
- 33:59about? And I'm like, you guys don't need to see
- 34:01where I live. You guys don't need to see this.
- 34:04Right, what the fuck? Yeah, so I have a local
- 34:08side of family that lives out in Hawaii and my
- 34:10cousin hits me up and he's like, dude, you need
- 34:12to come visit. And I was like, dude, if I visit,
- 34:13I might stay. And he's like, why the fuck not?
- 34:15I have an extra room. And I said, I'm gone. Damn,
- 34:18that's awesome. Yeah, so I was out there for
- 34:20like three years. And then when things started
- 34:23to kind of open up, I found a small little group
- 34:27that did comedy out there. Man, that's really
- 34:30neat, man. What was something that you kind of
- 34:35noticed, the differences between coming from
- 34:37such a small place like that? to like to coming
- 34:41here like and you kind of see the comedy community
- 34:43here like what's like kind of like one of the
- 34:46biggest differences that you sort of noticed
- 34:48the quantity of comics yeah you know i've never
- 34:52been around so many right you know yeah like
- 34:56in such a high concentration it's like i feel
- 34:59like you can like just throw a rock on the street
- 35:01and hit a comic you know what i mean like there's
- 35:04there's so many Like I hear like the stat, there's
- 35:06like probably at least like 400 comedians in
- 35:09the city at like one time, which is just maybe
- 35:12more, it's just staggering. It's insane, yeah.
- 35:14With how many people that are out here trying
- 35:16to do it. And I think that's something that was
- 35:20basically really alluring to me too, because
- 35:22it's like I've never been around that many people
- 35:24that are trying to do it. Right. And I also was
- 35:27like, oh, okay, like we're all. We're all kinda
- 35:30in this together, kinda? No. You'll be here years
- 35:34and not know somebody the entire time. Yeah,
- 35:37exactly. And I swear, you meet somebody new every
- 35:41time you go out. Yeah. And they go, yeah, I've
- 35:43been here for like three years. You're like,
- 35:44I've never fucking met you. Yeah. Or like when
- 35:47you go to Kill Tony and somebody gets picked
- 35:49at Kill Tony, you go, who the fuck is that? Right,
- 35:51who is that fucking person? You know, like, oh,
- 35:53yeah, that's so and so that, you know, they do
- 35:55spots over at Velveeta all the time. And you're
- 35:57like, dude, what the fuck? Where the fuck did
- 35:59they come from? You're like, I'm out here every
- 36:01goddamn day. Like, how the fuck? I've never met,
- 36:03you know what I mean? And like that's like that
- 36:06was cool because I'm like, I can be around so
- 36:07many like minded people and all this stuff. And
- 36:10because we were such like like over over in our
- 36:13town, like in Hawaii and Kona, it was like, you
- 36:15know, there wasn't a lot of us. Yeah. And it's
- 36:17just like we were very tight knit. We're very
- 36:18like, you know, yeah. And like, I do kind of
- 36:21get that. But like, I don't know, I've realized
- 36:26I gotta be a little bit more choosy. Interesting.
- 36:29Yeah, so what does that mean? I don't know, it's
- 36:31just like, some people I would consider friends,
- 36:34other people I just consider colleagues, you
- 36:36know? Yeah, I get that. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that.
- 36:39And it's like, no offense to anybody, but it's
- 36:41just like, all right, like I can, like everybody
- 36:43in Hawaii, honestly, they're all friends. We
- 36:45all do the same thing. There's only 10 of us,
- 36:47you know what I mean? But it's like, Here, it's
- 36:49like, okay, like, here's somebody I do shows
- 36:50with, here's someone that I would hang out with,
- 36:51here's somebody that, you know, I'll just, I,
- 36:54whatever, they can do their thing, you know?
- 36:55Sure. Obviously, there's so many different people
- 36:59and opinions and belief systems and all these
- 37:02things. And I'm really, I also realize I don't
- 37:04have to be friends with everybody, but also you
- 37:06don't gotta be a dick to everybody either, you
- 37:08know? Exactly, yeah. And that's kind of where,
- 37:10like, I feel like some people don't understand
- 37:13that part. Yeah. Was that something that you
- 37:16feel like, like, um, how to, you know, in comedy
- 37:19was just like sort of, you know, you're like,
- 37:22your kindness there, like, or do you think that
- 37:24kind of hurts you a little bit? Uh, I feel like,
- 37:28I mean, it can, you know, people definitely take
- 37:31that, that kindness for like a weakness sometimes
- 37:34and they are like, well, I'm going to hang out
- 37:36with him because like he may get me on more shows
- 37:39or he may do this or, oh, he does, oh, he makes
- 37:42a show. I want to be friends with him or he does
- 37:44this. Oh, it's really cool. I'm going to latch
- 37:46on to him because of that. But I mean, like I
- 37:48kind of look at it as like I try to respect everybody
- 37:50that's, you know, doing the same thing that we
- 37:52are because it does take balls to do this. But
- 37:55it's also I mean, like no one's fucking from
- 37:57here either. So it's like we all made the majority
- 38:00of us made this pilgrimage here, you know, to
- 38:03do it. Yeah. You know, it's so crazy about that,
- 38:05too, because then you like you like meet somebody
- 38:08who's from here and you almost look at them like
- 38:10they were forming. Yeah. You know what I mean?
- 38:13It's so weird. I respect the hell out of somebody
- 38:15who was like, they're like, yeah, I started to
- 38:16stand up here. I'm like, oh, you from here? Yeah.
- 38:19Holy shit. Whoa. What the fuck? That's so cool.
- 38:21God, I would kill to be from here. You know,
- 38:24some people are like, oh my God. Yeah. Really?
- 38:27Oh, you're like Courtney. I think simply Courtney,
- 38:29he's from here. Yeah, exactly. It's got to be
- 38:31nuts to see how the scene has exploded, you know?
- 38:34Yeah. Yeah. Because I think about New Orleans,
- 38:36you know, and I just, I never. I don't know the
- 38:40comedy scene in New Orleans, but that's where
- 38:43I'm from and I don't know it at all. So I don't
- 38:48know how it's grown or anything like that, but
- 38:50when I think about what I'm used to here in Austin,
- 38:53I think about that. I don't know if that makes
- 38:56any sense. I try to commiserate with them. If
- 39:00I saw that happen in New Orleans, it would just
- 39:03be crazy if Kil Tony was in New Orleans. No,
- 39:06exactly. That would be fucking nuts. Then you
- 39:08have some people that are like, I had to ruin
- 39:09the scene. I'm like, eh, whatever. I don't have
- 39:12an opinion because I'm not from here. Sure. So
- 39:14it's just like, I look at it as I go, it's created
- 39:17more opportunity for stage time besides the side
- 39:23skill, tell me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh,
- 39:25I'm sorry. No, no, go ahead, go ahead. I was
- 39:27going to ask, what prompted you to even start
- 39:29to begin with? To sound insanely corny, I've
- 39:33always wanted to do it. No, like as a like as
- 39:36a kid like I was very like drawn to Like a lot
- 39:42of like just anything funny like comedy movies
- 39:44and stuff. My dad was my dad's a big movie guy
- 39:46So like growing up he would just show me the
- 39:49stuff He grew up on like what I like a lot of
- 39:52like old like Eddie Murphy movies like Jim Carrey
- 39:55movies Like like Jim Carrey is like a personal
- 39:57like I love that guy so much and just hearing
- 40:00like his story him starting out Doing comedy
- 40:03is like young as he did kind of like sparked
- 40:06something in me going like, okay Well, I can
- 40:07do the same thing. I can start very young and
- 40:10I did like oh, yeah, like I was like, all right
- 40:14Well like in high school like I was like, okay
- 40:15I want to do stand -up and it's like was kind
- 40:18of embarrassing to tell tell somebody at the
- 40:20time Say like as a freshman high school that
- 40:23was like 2011 for me and telling somebody in
- 40:252011 that you want to stand up is like Like what
- 40:27the fuck like you like really? Yeah, like that's
- 40:31what I wanna do. But I did like the closest thing
- 40:33I could at that time was like I did theater,
- 40:35like all throughout high school. Sure, yeah.
- 40:37So I was like, I'm not the biggest like theater
- 40:39nerd ever, but it's like, all right, this is
- 40:42stage time for me. I get to be on stage and I
- 40:46get to do something. And that kind of like satiated
- 40:49me for a little bit. And then I was like, all
- 40:51right, well, once I become of age, like as an
- 40:53adult, I'll be able to go do standup. And I remember,
- 40:56like, yeah, I started when I was, like, just
- 40:59about to turn 19. Like, at a really little, tiny,
- 41:02like, variety open mic in, like, my hometown
- 41:05in Los Banos. Oh, wow. I got off, like, of my
- 41:08shift at Target. I was still in my red shirt.
- 41:12Yeah, dude. It's really fucking hilarious, dude,
- 41:14because the open mic was taking place at a women's
- 41:17gym. Nice like a like a curves or you know it
- 41:20but it was like a like a local gym like downtown
- 41:23somewhere and downtown Los Banos No, yeah, it's
- 41:27like I was like, alright, let's go try this out
- 41:29and like I did it and like, you know people chuckled
- 41:33This is heroin And like it was like very like
- 41:38off and on Until like I decided to go live with
- 41:42my mom who lives in the East Bay area And I was
- 41:45like I was doing shitty like labor plumbing work
- 41:48at the time and I was like, all right Well, there's
- 41:51a BART station There so I can just take the train
- 41:54into San Francisco and just go find an open mic
- 41:56So like that's what I would do. Like I was like
- 41:58I was 19. I would get I would get on this fucking
- 42:01train, and it would take like 30 minutes to get
- 42:03into the city. I'd go, I'd walk around, I'd find
- 42:06an open mic. Shout out to, it doesn't exist anymore,
- 42:09but the Brainwash was an open mic that happened
- 42:12in San Francisco every single night. And it was
- 42:15a cafe, like a coffee shop, and it was also a
- 42:20laundry mat. Oh, beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 42:24That's amazing. It was so sick. It was like...
- 42:27It was like the open mic there like it was the
- 42:30everyone hung out there everyone went there like
- 42:33Thursdays were the days that were advertised
- 42:34so like I thought they only happened Thursdays
- 42:37So like when I did go there was like 40 comedians
- 42:39trying to sign up. Oh, and I was like, whoa Everybody
- 42:43does stand up here. Well, like you know, I was
- 42:45like, yeah, I was a kid still, you know Yeah,
- 42:49I I remember doing like when I did the open mic
- 42:51there I like, you know people laugh and I was
- 42:54like, oh shit Oh shit, oh shit, this is real.
- 42:57This is real. Like this can be like a thing that
- 42:59I could do. Wow. Yeah. And I remember like the
- 43:06host of the show, his name's Tony Sparks, he's
- 43:07still very active in San Francisco. He's the,
- 43:11honestly, that guy's the reason I'm still doing
- 43:13stand -up to this day. He's like a wizard, he's
- 43:15like an old wise wizard. Oh yeah. And I just
- 43:18remember like before the open mic happened, he
- 43:21was like, oh, like I do... Like I do comedy classes,
- 43:24you know, if you guys ever need pointers, come
- 43:26to me, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, all
- 43:28right, yeah, yeah. And I just, I had, was not,
- 43:31you know, I was still super fresh. I did my set
- 43:33and I remember walking up to him like, I'm like,
- 43:34hey, Mr. Tony Sparks, sir, do you have like any
- 43:39more openings for like your comedy class? He's
- 43:40like, don't do it. No way. Yeah, he's like, don't
- 43:43fucking do it. He's like, dude, listen to me,
- 43:45okay, I know. He's like, don't do a comedy class.
- 43:48It's how I make money. He said something to me
- 43:51that stuck with me forever, because he's like,
- 43:53you've been on stage before, right? I was like,
- 43:55yeah, I did theater. And he goes, good. You already
- 43:58know more than most people that are just starting.
- 44:00You know how to present yourself on stage. You
- 44:03know how to talk. You know how to enunciate.
- 44:04You know all these things. These are skills you
- 44:06already have. Oh, nice. Don't do this. Don't
- 44:10do a comedy class. Right. OK. I was like, oh,
- 44:13shit. I was like, OK. And like, you know, that
- 44:15gave me a lot of confidence to keep doing it,
- 44:19you know, and to kind of keep pursuing that.
- 44:22So like the San Francisco scene is very near
- 44:24and dear to my heart because it was like, it's
- 44:26where I like to say it's where I really, really
- 44:29started doing it. Oh, nice. And like this, it's
- 44:32where I, you know, met, you know, a lot of my,
- 44:34you know, close friends and it's where I've met
- 44:36people that I still talk to to this day. And,
- 44:38you know, just that whole scene in general is
- 44:39very welcoming to new people. And I remember
- 44:43doing their 18th anniversary show, like the Brainwash's
- 44:4618th anniversary show, and it's like, it was
- 44:48such a big community event. And I got invited
- 44:51to do a spot on that showcase, and I thought,
- 44:53I was like, I was so not ready to do it. Oh,
- 44:56really? I was like, can you do 10 minutes? I
- 44:57said, fucking yeah, I can do 10 minutes. Right.
- 45:00Like maybe a year in, maybe. Oh, really? I was
- 45:05like, more like, realistically, like eight months
- 45:07into comedy, and I was doing like three to five
- 45:10minute spots all the time. And Tony liked me
- 45:12so much. He was like, he was like, hey, like,
- 45:16come to the spot. Come do it. I was like, OK.
- 45:20How'd it go? Yeah. Bad. Bad. Bad. Oh, my God.
- 45:23What did you do? Like, what kind of how are your
- 45:25jokes? I can't even remember, dude. I'm not even
- 45:27going to lie. Like, my set is is so different
- 45:29than what it used to be. Sure. Like, I just remember,
- 45:34like, I was like super stoked that it was going
- 45:35to happen and I was just surrounded by fucking
- 45:38killers like. Just guys that have been doing
- 45:42it forever. Yeah guys that are probably working
- 45:45and like I invited my parents I thought oh I
- 45:49was like you gotta come to San Francisco and
- 45:51watch me do this and Like I remember like on
- 45:54the on the flyer was like comedians and special
- 45:56guests I was like, I wonder who the special guests
- 45:58are gonna be and like my parents are sitting
- 45:59like in the front My mom and my stepdad are right
- 46:02there in front. Yeah, I'm just bombing my fucking
- 46:05dick off and I was just like, okay I just ate
- 46:10it for like 10 minutes and then right after like
- 46:12that's when like the special guest came out and
- 46:14they were like themed burlesque dancers. Wait,
- 46:18what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it like a burlesque
- 46:20show too or something? I turned into one. So
- 46:24like one lady dressed up as like a big joint.
- 46:26She was like a big joint. She dressed up like
- 46:28a big joint? Yeah, she had like a table and she
- 46:31was like hitting different pieces. and like holding
- 46:34it all in at the end of her dance, she like blew
- 46:36it all into the crowd. And my parents are sitting
- 46:38fucking front row. And they're like, oh. And
- 46:42then the second lady came up and she was a clown
- 46:45and her entire outfit was balloon animals, like
- 46:49those balloons. And her name was Snatch Adams
- 46:52and was like popping balloons as she was dancing.
- 46:56And then like, I remember like the quiet car
- 46:58ride home. You were like. You know, the burlesque
- 47:02dancers were actually funnier than I was. It
- 47:03was actually not bad. Those were pretty good,
- 47:06actually. And like that's when they were like,
- 47:07okay, that's what you, yeah, for sure. That's
- 47:09what you want to do. Yeah, for sure. Awesome.
- 47:12Do they still like, are they supportive of you
- 47:14now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I, you know, I feel
- 47:16like any parent when you tell them you want to
- 47:19do art for a career or you want to do something
- 47:23that's not normal, it's like, uh, my mom is supportive.
- 47:28Like she really is, but it's very like, I don't
- 47:32get it, you know? Like, she understands now.
- 47:35Like, she didn't really like that I was doing
- 47:37it back then, but I was like, I wanna be a comedian.
- 47:39She was like, oh, great. You're like, oh, that
- 47:41is a good joke. Like, that's a great, wow, wow.
- 47:45Okay, for like a living, okay. You know how much
- 47:49that's gonna suck, right? I was like, yeah, no,
- 47:51it's fine, I got this. Yeah, but if you were
- 47:53in theater, I feel like that would be, it would
- 47:55almost be like a normal thing if you're like
- 47:57a theater kid and you're just funny, you know?
- 48:00Because people used to tell me all the time,
- 48:01like, You know, I was in theater for a while,
- 48:03too. Yeah, yeah. I kept hearing, you know, oh,
- 48:06you should try stand up. You should try stand
- 48:07up. Exactly. You know, but then I very quickly
- 48:10learned that that is a whole different fucking.
- 48:12Oh, yeah. You know, it's it's it's it's way different.
- 48:15Like, I don't think I'd even I mean, I feel like
- 48:18I could go back and do theater. No problem. But
- 48:21like going in to stand up for the first time
- 48:23and be like, OK, it's like a big play. You're
- 48:24like, it's not a big play. No, it's fucking not.
- 48:26It's not a big play. Oh, my God. No, it's not.
- 48:30You want to feel how long five minutes is? Yeah,
- 48:32go up there. Yeah. Yeah. I want to say like five
- 48:37minutes or four and a half or something like
- 48:39last night. And I'm like three years in, I'm
- 48:43still sitting here in my head, I was still fishing.
- 48:46I still have a lot of challenges, a ton of learning
- 48:51to do. What has been some things that you've
- 48:53been trying to overcome? I know like the the
- 48:57biggest thing for me like when I cuz like it's
- 49:00kind of weird to say but like I've been doing
- 49:01this like ten years now Mm -hmm. And like the
- 49:04biggest thing for me was finding my voice To
- 49:08find your cadence, you know, yeah, that's like
- 49:11the that was the biggest thing for me is like,
- 49:14okay Like how do I want to present? How do I
- 49:16want to talk on stage? I know that's like Duh,
- 49:19like yeah, you got to talk. It's like it's I
- 49:21feel like it's so much more than that Like, you
- 49:23want to, like, how am I going to deliver what
- 49:25I've written down? Like, and that was the biggest
- 49:27challenge for me for the longest time. I feel
- 49:29like I haven't really hit, I didn't really hit
- 49:31that stride until I moved to Hawaii, actually.
- 49:34Like, you know, outside of comedy, like, I feel
- 49:37like I'm a different person. Like, you know,
- 49:38I'm a very, like, when I'm not being serious
- 49:41or whatever, like, I'm a very, just like, I'm
- 49:43an energetic person. Like, I'm a fun person.
- 49:45And I'm like, okay, I can do that on stage. No.
- 49:48No. Yeah, that's exactly it. I feel that. You're
- 49:52like, OK, like I'm a fun, goofy guy. Like, you
- 49:54know, I mean, like I am goofy, like on stage
- 49:55and stuff. But it's like, I don't know. It's
- 49:57like you kind of have to try and find like that
- 49:59balance. And like, I was very much like, I'm
- 50:01going to talk really fast. I'm just really fun.
- 50:03It's going to be this. It's going to be that.
- 50:04And I was like, no, that's this. That's not working.
- 50:06No, it's not. Yes, I work. No one can hear what
- 50:08the fuck you're saying. Yeah. So it's like I
- 50:10remember when I moved to Hawaii, I was like,
- 50:13all right, let's try and switch things up a bit.
- 50:14Let's try and, you know, do that. And I feel
- 50:17like I do like. Like those three years I spent
- 50:19in Hawaii really I think shaped me as a comedian
- 50:22in those three years because it's like I really
- 50:25was like in it. Like I was more in it than I
- 50:28was living in California because like I did live
- 50:31kind of far away from the city. So it was always
- 50:33kind of a mission to get to stand up. You know,
- 50:37it's like is it worth the hour and a half car
- 50:39ride? Is it worth the fucking train ticket? Is
- 50:41it worth this? Like so it was very off and on.
- 50:44You know what I mean? So it's just like when
- 50:45I finally like really dove into it and was really
- 50:48around people that, I guess, gave me that constructive
- 50:51criticism that I really needed. They were like,
- 50:54hey, this is good, but you need to say it like
- 50:56this. Or hey, you should try it this way. And
- 50:58I didn't really get that until I moved to a more
- 51:00tight -knit comedy community, which was really
- 51:03cool, because we would always bounce ideas off
- 51:04of each other. You see, that's wonderful. I wish
- 51:07that we had... Here, you know like yeah, and
- 51:09that's one thing I miss I miss that so much Yeah,
- 51:12I really wish that we had something like that
- 51:14here like I know I know that there's like a few
- 51:15like writers rooms and things like that But yeah,
- 51:18the ones that I've seen and the ones that I've
- 51:19like kind of been to yeah I've always just been
- 51:21like well, okay like this kind of isn't what
- 51:24I'm looking for Like I'm kind of looking for
- 51:26like you to look at my shit and be like, okay
- 51:28This is like, you know, like, yeah, this is what
- 51:31you know, this is why it's failing or like this
- 51:33is you know, hey, this is why it's working. Exactly.
- 51:36It's because with it being so oversaturated here,
- 51:40and it's kind of funny, I just had this conversation
- 51:42last night. Yeah. But with it being so oversaturated
- 51:45here, it's almost like it doesn't, you know,
- 51:48everybody's magicians and they all know the tricks.
- 51:51Exactly. And so like, they're entertained, but
- 51:54they're not like giving you the feedback of laughter.
- 51:57You know, they're like, oh, that was a good joke,
- 51:58respect. But they're not like, you know, ha ha
- 52:00ha. So you don't know. I kind of hate that. I
- 52:04don't know. I still love watching comedy. Yeah,
- 52:08same. And I still laugh at my friends' jokes.
- 52:12I don't know. I still think, you know, some of
- 52:14my friends are hilarious, right? And it's like,
- 52:16I love going to a comedy show and I love watching
- 52:18and I still laugh. You know what I mean? And
- 52:21that's one thing that I feel like some comedians
- 52:23need to just do more. Yeah. You know? I'm gonna
- 52:27be real. I love comedy so much, but honestly,
- 52:30When someone's like, I take comedy seriously.
- 52:32That's an oxymoron, big dog. We're fucking clowns,
- 52:35guy. Like, let's be so, let's be so for it. We're
- 52:37fucking clowns. The whole time. And once you
- 52:39figure out that you're just a clown, that's okay.
- 52:43That's fine. So it's like, just laugh at a joke.
- 52:47Be like, be in that moment. Laugh and enjoy what
- 52:50you're doing or enjoy what your friends are doing
- 52:51and not be like. I'm gonna sit here and be really
- 52:53critical or over. Mm, you messed up that punch
- 52:56line, I think. Mm, or this or that. It's like
- 52:58fucking chill out. Or just be active listeners,
- 53:00you know? Yeah, and I feel like your friends
- 53:03would love you more for it, and you would honestly
- 53:07love your friends for it too, if you made them
- 53:10laugh, you know what I mean? I'm not saying fake
- 53:13a laugh, but really be involved in your friend's
- 53:16set or a colleague's set, and yeah, if it's funny,
- 53:19fucking laugh at it. I just feel like so many...
- 53:22Comics or like even like open mics with just
- 53:24comics in it. Just don't know they don't and
- 53:27I'm tired of like the I see this you like Yeah,
- 53:31exactly. This isn't a fucking coffee shop in
- 53:34Seattle where they're just like that's so sick.
- 53:36That was awesome. Yeah, that rips It's like fucking
- 53:39laugh at it. God damn it. What are we doing?
- 53:41I'm designing a shirt. I've said it on here like
- 53:43several times, but I'm designing it right now.
- 53:45It's going to be like an only bomb shirt, just
- 53:47a shameless plug. Yeah, there we go. But it's
- 53:49going to be like, it's going to say no one laughs
- 53:51in Austin. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, and it's just
- 53:54like, you know, as an open mic 'er, you know,
- 53:57or like, you know, as just somebody who does
- 53:58party here, I think you'll understand. I think
- 54:00you'll get it. Yeah. And like, and so that's,
- 54:02that's just something that I'm kind of like,
- 54:04I've always wanted to do because I was just like,
- 54:06I started getting frustrated, you know, I would
- 54:08go out and I was like, man, and there was sometimes
- 54:10it just wasn't fun. And then oddly enough, when
- 54:13I would get in front of like an actual crowd
- 54:14and do, you know, I was like, whoa, what's that
- 54:18sound coming from your mouth? Whoa, like I've
- 54:21never heard that before. Exactly. And that's
- 54:23the thing. It's like, it's like, dude, what the
- 54:25fuck? It's like the whole point of this is reaction.
- 54:27Like, that's why we do it, you know? And it's
- 54:29like when no one's laughing and they go, they
- 54:31walk up to you and go, that was awesome. Fuck
- 54:33you. What the fuck? Laugh at. What are we talking
- 54:34about? You're like, what do you mean, dude? What
- 54:35do you mean? That was awesome. How was it? You
- 54:37were staring at me. I was like, even deers don't
- 54:41stare that hard. Oh, that was good. That was
- 54:45a good joke. I like that joke. Yeah, I was like,
- 54:46you drooled. I mean, nowadays I feel like I'm
- 54:49a little lucky because of the friends that I've
- 54:52made here. We do laugh at each other. Wonderful.
- 54:55Which is so awesome. Because I work over at the
- 54:58Vulcan. I was gonna ask you about that. I didn't
- 55:01know if you wanted to get into it. I've been
- 55:05working there since November. Nice. And all the
- 55:10door guys there, we're all comics, you know?
- 55:12We sometimes get to do a staff show over there.
- 55:16Another Shamus Plug Best of Vulcan will happen
- 55:18sometimes. Just keep an eye out for it. It's
- 55:19a free show. So it's all the guys that work there,
- 55:23plus whoever else we get to bark for us and stuff.
- 55:26but we all laugh at each other. That's great.
- 55:29And it's so great. And I'm glad that I have that
- 55:32group of friends there because it feels like
- 55:35I'm back in Hawaii where I used to be where everyone's
- 55:39kind of like, we sit and we talk about it. We
- 55:41collaborate a little bit on it and we talk about
- 55:43this joke or that joke. Oh, that was cool. You
- 55:45know what I mean? Yeah. So I feel like I finally,
- 55:48after living here for a little bit, I've found
- 55:51that group of friends or that group of comics
- 55:53that are actually like, they run, we run bits
- 55:57by each other. We like, hey, we've seen each
- 55:59other do stand up enough to where we're like,
- 56:01oh, hey, like this works here, that works there.
- 56:03And I'm like, like I finally, I'm finally there.
- 56:06You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a great, great
- 56:08community. Just like, you know, like when you
- 56:10find that, when you find like that little like
- 56:11tightening sort of group, it's a great community,
- 56:13you know? Well, what are some like, like kind
- 56:15of like either lessons or just like observations
- 56:18that you made from watching like professional
- 56:20comedians versus like the newer ones or even
- 56:22yourself? Man. I get to see, yeah, because working
- 56:28there, I get to see a lot of it. And I honestly,
- 56:32I don't know if this is me being bitter, but
- 56:35when a comedian comes to Vulcan and they sell
- 56:38a lot of tickets, the people are there for him,
- 56:41they can breathe funny. And the whole fucking
- 56:44room erupts. You know what I mean? Like a motherfucker.
- 56:49The cynical part in my brain goes, this is so
- 56:51fucking easy. You can't make a room of 300 people
- 56:56who are here to see you laugh, get a different
- 56:58job. So in my head, I'm like, mother fucker.
- 57:01But obviously, I knew they had to work to get
- 57:03to that point. And it's still, I look at it as
- 57:07when they sell them any tickets, they come and
- 57:09they do their, and it's kind of crazy to see
- 57:11them work because it is very professional. You
- 57:14know what I mean? It's like seeing how effortless
- 57:18it is for them To just get through like a 30
- 57:22minute set is like kind of like it's enamoring
- 57:25really I'm just like holy shit. This is real
- 57:28like this is this motherfuckers a this guy's
- 57:30bad. This guy's badass. Yeah, you know Like it's
- 57:34just I don't know like I want to get to that
- 57:36point I want to get to where it just kind of
- 57:38flows out of me like water, you know And that's
- 57:40the one thing I do notice is like it just comes
- 57:42out of these these professionals so easily and
- 57:45it's like okay cool like I'm Like, you know,
- 57:48you think you're there until you realize there's
- 57:50more levels to this shit than you realize, you
- 57:53know? It's like, watching someone who does big
- 57:56rooms like this constantly, who does 30 minutes
- 57:58constantly, who does an hour constantly, it's
- 58:00like, oh shit, like, I have some fucking work
- 58:02to do. But it does kind of motivate me in a way
- 58:04to be like, all right, well, now I gotta write
- 58:07better, or now I gotta flow things better, or
- 58:09I gotta stop going, uh, and fucking, uh, you
- 58:11know what I mean? And you catch that about yourself,
- 58:14and I think it's really eye -opening. Seeing
- 58:16and also too. It's like Meeting somebody that
- 58:19you've seen on TV is really cool. But then you're
- 58:22like, oh, there's just a dude. There's just a
- 58:24dude Just a fucking dude. Yeah. Yeah, like I
- 58:26almost I did Shane Gillis at the creek and uh,
- 58:30yeah, and he was cool with it, you know, and
- 58:32uh, you know, but I was like, man I'm like, that's
- 58:35just it's just everybody is just so like normal.
- 58:37Yeah, like, you know, they're normal -looking
- 58:39Yeah, exactly energies and stuff like that. Like
- 58:42you just it's uh, it's kind of crazy man, but
- 58:45Yeah, dude, like it was kind of like the reason
- 58:46why I wanted to ask you about that was because
- 58:48I was like a sort of like we share the same thing
- 58:49because I work there Yeah, you know and so I
- 58:52was like I noticed just being around the community.
- 58:56It's like you just you get you do get in tight
- 58:58with them Oh, yeah, you know, oh, yeah, and I
- 59:00love all the comedians man And I know you're
- 59:03probably you're obviously gonna be seeing the
- 59:04same ones that I do and you know There's there's
- 59:07some of them that's like yeah, you're born to
- 59:09be a comedian And then some of them just like
- 59:11yep. I remember when I was there. Yeah, exactly
- 59:13Yeah, you know, but like what kind of like lessons
- 59:17have you kind of learned like within yourself
- 59:19as far as comedy goes? Um, it's definitely like,
- 59:23uh... I've... For me, it's like, uh, I think
- 59:26it's confidence. Like, I learned a lot, like,
- 59:29uh, like, and then just, like, a lot of humility,
- 59:31too, you know? Yeah, dude, yeah. It's such a
- 59:35individual art. It's really easy to kind of get
- 59:38lost in your own shit. Mm -hmm. You know, and
- 59:40I feel like a lot of some comics get it way into
- 59:43their own shit or up their own ass. And it's
- 59:46like, yes, you can, in a way. You know, there's,
- 59:48you can be like, yeah, I'm funny. but also like,
- 59:51you can't be like, oh, I'm funnier than everybody.
- 59:53I don't know, it's like, it's a weird, we're
- 59:56like in a weird gray area. It's like we have
- 59:57community, but it's also like, I still need to
- 59:59take care of my own shit. I don't know, it's
- 1:00:02gotten me, I guess to be a little bit more social,
- 1:00:06like I'm a very social person outside of comedy,
- 1:00:08but like during comedy, I'm not. Yeah. You know?
- 1:00:12Oh, I feel that. You know? And it's like... Yeah,
- 1:00:16absolutely confidence for me. The main thing,
- 1:00:19finding my voice is a big thing too. It's just
- 1:00:22like, I'm not, I don't know, I do it just because
- 1:00:25I like to. It's definitely given me that confidence
- 1:00:29to where it's like, okay, this isn't something
- 1:00:30everybody does, but I can still do it anyway.
- 1:00:35It's kind of freeing, I guess, to be like, this
- 1:00:38is what I like to do. This is what I'm going
- 1:00:40to do and going to pursue. You know, you have
- 1:00:43people trying to give you that advice, being
- 1:00:45like, oh, like, well, you know, it might not
- 1:00:47work. And I go, OK, like, so who cares? I don't
- 1:00:50care. Yeah. Yeah. Being a comic, how do you handle
- 1:00:53when people go like, oh, dude, you know, you
- 1:00:55should put that in your show. That was hilarious.
- 1:00:58You should go say that on stage. That was good.
- 1:01:01Oh, my god. I hate it. I really do hate it. I
- 1:01:04go like, uh. Dude, it's kind of like people were
- 1:01:06like being like, when they hear I'm in the Navy,
- 1:01:08and they're like, oh, thank you for your service.
- 1:01:10I was like, dude, I did paperwork, bro. Yeah,
- 1:01:14right. Thank you for your service. You're like,
- 1:01:16I signed documents, guy, I don't know. Paycheck
- 1:01:19to paycheck, bro. I think the one, like put it
- 1:01:23in your set or whatever, like that one's like,
- 1:01:25the one that gets me is like, again, I like to
- 1:01:29laugh. I'm a giggly guy, so when someone goes,
- 1:01:32oh, I made the comic laugh, maybe I should start
- 1:01:34comedy. That's good. Shut the fuck up, dude.
- 1:01:38Shut up. Dude, like, they go on the stage one
- 1:01:41fucking time and get off. Go, go, do it. And
- 1:01:43I go, go ahead. Go ahead. Go. Yeah, you'll do
- 1:01:46fine. You're gonna do great. Yeah. Hold on, made
- 1:01:48the comedian laugh? It's like, I'm still a person,
- 1:01:50you weirdo. Like, I'm not a fucking... That actually
- 1:01:53wasn't funny, because I know everything there
- 1:01:55is to know about being funny. Brother, you can
- 1:01:58fart weird. I'm gonna laugh at it, so what the
- 1:02:00fuck are you talking about? You know what I mean?
- 1:02:02I don't know. Just say the word, queef. It'll
- 1:02:06get me. It's like, yeah, I want to write jokes
- 1:02:11for a living, but someone can just be like, doo
- 1:02:13-doo fart. I go, that's pretty good. I like that.
- 1:02:15That's funny. That was awesome that that's fucking
- 1:02:18that that rules dude. It's so true, man Sometimes
- 1:02:20I just laugh at like some stupid shit myself,
- 1:02:22dude. Yeah, you're like I want to write jokes
- 1:02:24motherfucker Yeah, yeah, and dude sometimes I
- 1:02:27do like I'll just sit and I'll write down and
- 1:02:29be like hey This is something's funny and then
- 1:02:30I love going back and reading and I was like
- 1:02:33what the fuck was I thinking that's so stupid
- 1:02:36Yeah, I've been trying to write a bidet joke
- 1:02:38for like the longest time Because we have a bidet.
- 1:02:42Yeah, you know, and I'm just like every time
- 1:02:43like I'll just crank that fucker up. I'm like
- 1:02:46I know. How do I talk about this experience effectively?
- 1:02:51You know? Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. I was sitting
- 1:02:54there like, oh, well, all right, you know. I
- 1:02:56could talk about this. I could talk about this.
- 1:02:57Yeah. And then you go back in your reading, maybe
- 1:02:58I shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't. Yeah. It's like,
- 1:03:00you know, it's the next tier up from Toilet Huber.
- 1:03:03It's bidet humor. Yeah, right? Yeah, exactly,
- 1:03:07dude. I even tried some bidet jokes, dude. They
- 1:03:10have never done well. They're hilarious for me,
- 1:03:13but they never do well. Ever. You know what?
- 1:03:16That's another lesson I learned, I think, doing
- 1:03:17standup is killing your babies. Killing your
- 1:03:20babies. Yes. It's a term that I've used that,
- 1:03:24like, when you write a joke that you love so
- 1:03:28much. It's your baby. Yeah, you love that joke.
- 1:03:32Yeah, but you try to make it work You try and
- 1:03:35do it because you think it's so fucking funny.
- 1:03:37It just doesn't it just Every I feel like every
- 1:03:41comic has that joke that they they always probably
- 1:03:43have forever But like they they say it they they
- 1:03:46try and do it wait, then maybe it doesn't land
- 1:03:48and never lands But then they just got our just
- 1:03:51shelve it or kill it and like I was like I feel
- 1:03:52like that's a big lesson for me was like I may
- 1:03:55think something's really really really funny,
- 1:03:56right? Other people might not think it's funny.
- 1:04:00Yeah. So sometimes you gotta just, you gotta
- 1:04:02kill your babies, man. You just gotta let it
- 1:04:03go. You gotta let it go. Dude, I know, I had
- 1:04:05this one about a ferris wheel, right? And I tried
- 1:04:08so fucking hard to make this thing work, dude.
- 1:04:10And it just like, it just wouldn't. Like just,
- 1:04:14it just fucking won't. And one person, dude,
- 1:04:16it wasn't even a comic, one person was like,
- 1:04:18you should change that to carousel. And I was
- 1:04:20like, maybe I should change it to merry -go -round.
- 1:04:22Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Like, I wanted it to
- 1:04:24be a fucking... It's a Ferris wheel joke. It's
- 1:04:27a Ferris wheel, you prick. And he's like, what
- 1:04:28goes around comes around. I was like, that's
- 1:04:32better than my joke. You know? Oh, that's always
- 1:04:34so funny. Yeah, what about you? Have you had...
- 1:04:36I don't know. I normally don't be like, hey,
- 1:04:38you know, do the trick for me, but like, but
- 1:04:41do you have any jokes that you don't do on stage
- 1:04:43that you're, you know, like... Because of that
- 1:04:45you're like I do I love this joke, but it just
- 1:04:47never works Well, I mean like the ones I've killed
- 1:04:49I like legit killed and I just don't I don't
- 1:04:52They they're gone forever. Yeah. Um, there was
- 1:04:55one That I told it's a really it's fucked up.
- 1:04:59It's just fucked up not like really a fan like
- 1:05:02not super offensive, but like Like, I've gotten
- 1:05:06more of like a, ooh, I don't know that. It's
- 1:05:09not like crazy, but it's like, I'm, cause I'm
- 1:05:11from a small town and now I live like in a big
- 1:05:13city, right? So it's like, you know, I'm from
- 1:05:15a town with a lot of cows. And then now we live
- 1:05:17somewhere where there's like a lot of like homeless
- 1:05:18people. And I was just like, well, do you think,
- 1:05:21you know how like kids in the country go cow
- 1:05:22chipping? Do you think? You think kids in the
- 1:05:26city go, like, Fenton tipping? Like, do you think
- 1:05:27they... It's really horrible. It's so bad. But,
- 1:05:32like, I was like, this could be funny. And it
- 1:05:34just wasn't. It was just never funny. People
- 1:05:36were like, dude, that's a problem. Like, that's
- 1:05:38fucked up. You shouldn't do that. And I go, I'm
- 1:05:40not saying you should. It's just, you know...
- 1:05:43Yeah. And I've tried to make that joke work.
- 1:05:44And it's just, like, it's not... It's so, like,
- 1:05:47I guess, out of left field of what I usually
- 1:05:49say. Yeah. You know, I'm not, like, a really
- 1:05:52super edgy comedian. Same, yeah. So it's like,
- 1:05:55when I say something a little bit more like,
- 1:05:57oh god, they're like, oh what the fuck? I was
- 1:06:01like, what are you talking about? You don't push
- 1:06:02over tweakers? You know kids, they push cows,
- 1:06:07like you push, you know, you don't push over
- 1:06:09tweakers? Yeah, that's like, it just doesn't
- 1:06:11work. It just doesn't fit, I guess, my style.
- 1:06:15Cause a lot of my stuff is very like, what if
- 1:06:18this happened? Or like, it's very like, it could,
- 1:06:21like. they could be skits, you know what I mean?
- 1:06:23They could be sketches, you know? Have you ever
- 1:06:25thought about doing that? Like, making them sketches?
- 1:06:27Yeah, but I have such like a... I don't know,
- 1:06:30like a block when it comes to that kind of thing.
- 1:06:34Like, I think that kind of ties into, like, my...
- 1:06:36Like, I hate... Like, I hate having to be a social
- 1:06:40media comedian. I know what you mean. Yeah. You
- 1:06:43know what I mean? And it's, like, so fucking
- 1:06:45crucial now. Because, like, I started... forever
- 1:06:48ago. Sure. You know what I mean? Like... Back
- 1:06:51in, like, 2016, like, yeah, people would post
- 1:06:53stand -up clips, but it wasn't as prevalent as
- 1:06:55it is now, you know? It's not as, like... It
- 1:06:58wasn't a need. You know what I mean? So it's
- 1:07:00like, if I'm funny, I'll get shows. If I'm funny,
- 1:07:02I'll do this. If I'm funny, I can go get that.
- 1:07:05But, you know, realistically, it's like, okay,
- 1:07:08has your clip gotten a million views? We can
- 1:07:10book you. Has your... You have a certain amount
- 1:07:12of followers, we'll book you, you know? Yeah.
- 1:07:14Because it's all about asses and seats. But it's
- 1:07:17like, I have... It's so hard for me to be consistent...
- 1:07:20in that, you know, and it's like, I've made like
- 1:07:23skits like on like TikTok or Instagram and like
- 1:07:26they've done well, but it's just like, you know,
- 1:07:28it'll like be like, I'm like, okay, like I just
- 1:07:29don't think a whole lot about it, you know, and
- 1:07:31it's like, I've had, like I've had, I've written
- 1:07:34down jokes that I've told on stage and just told
- 1:07:36them to the camera sometimes and they've done
- 1:07:37okay, but it's like, I don't know, it's just,
- 1:07:40it's like, it's like eating my vegetables, like
- 1:07:42I, knowing like that I have to like post on social
- 1:07:45media. Dude, I've made a few clips and. on an
- 1:07:48only bombs thing. Yeah, I've tried. I've made
- 1:07:51a few like sketches and shit and I'll go watch
- 1:07:54them and I think they're funny. But at the same
- 1:07:56time, I'm kind of like this. I don't know. It's
- 1:07:58just not my thing, man. Yeah, no, I get it. There's
- 1:08:01nothing more demoralizing, I think, than putting
- 1:08:02in like work into a sketch that you think is
- 1:08:05really funny. And then like you look at like
- 1:08:07your Instagram real view is like three hundred
- 1:08:09views and like four likes. You're like, fuck
- 1:08:12guys. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you know, oh,
- 1:08:14why did that not get a million? Like maybe they
- 1:08:16didn't. Maybe I should stop. Maybe I should quit
- 1:08:19forever. Maybe I should not do this anymore.
- 1:08:22Yeah. I used to do this one, like, because the
- 1:08:25whole tray -on -stage thing. Yeah, yeah. Like,
- 1:08:27I had, like, a series of them, like, you know,
- 1:08:29like, tray at work, trade, you know, blah, blah.
- 1:08:31Oh, that's cool. I don't know why I just did
- 1:08:33it, and so I would just do, like, stupid things,
- 1:08:35but the thing is, is that I'm so, like, I'm fucking
- 1:08:37crazy, dude, and I'm sporadic, so all of my...
- 1:08:40All of my videos were just weird, just random
- 1:08:42fart noises, explosions. And then I would go
- 1:08:45back and watch it, and I'd be like, oh my god,
- 1:08:47that's hilarious. And then I'm just like, okay,
- 1:08:49those 30 people might have thought it was funny.
- 1:08:52And then I was like, oh no, that's 30 views,
- 1:08:53not likes. Yeah, dude. It was so fucking bad,
- 1:08:58dude. It's weird. It's also weird just seeing
- 1:09:00how the different, I guess, apps respond to different.
- 1:09:05stuff tiktok hates me dude oh my god dude tiktok
- 1:09:10hates me they're like no fuck you tiktok hates
- 1:09:14my stand -up oh yeah yeah they don't mind my
- 1:09:17skits like my sketch if i make a sketch or something
- 1:09:20on on tiktok they like it oh yeah no shit they
- 1:09:23hate my stand -up clips oh my god that's right
- 1:09:26now that you're saying that Cause I'm like, dude,
- 1:09:29my TikTok, I have the tray on stage where I posted
- 1:09:32the skits and they did all right. But the only
- 1:09:35bombs TikTok, like I think I got like 12 or 15
- 1:09:39followers. They hate me, dude. It's so weird.
- 1:09:42It's so weird. Like what, cause I feel like they
- 1:09:45like stick you like in a box depending on like
- 1:09:46what pops off. I've had things like pop off like
- 1:09:50on TikTok. Yes, let's talk about it. So like,
- 1:09:55okay, so this was like two years ago, before
- 1:09:58I moved here, I was like in the middle, yeah,
- 1:10:01I was like in the middle of growing my hair out
- 1:10:02still. Yeah. So it was like in that beabory stage.
- 1:10:05Oh yeah, you're looking like a little mushroom
- 1:10:06yourself. Yeah, a little bit, yeah, exactly.
- 1:10:09And I was like kind of stoned and I like, you
- 1:10:13know how you can like stitch videos on TikTok?
- 1:10:15Yeah. And like, so there was like a video, it
- 1:10:18was stupid, it was the stupidest thing. It's
- 1:10:21a frog, like a little blobby frog, and it was
- 1:10:25scratching its eye, but it looked like it was
- 1:10:28waving. So I stitched the video of me waving
- 1:10:32back at it. So it's like, and I'm like, hey.
- 1:10:38I wasn't thinking anything of it. Nine million
- 1:10:40views and a million likes later. No. No way.
- 1:10:45I swear to God. My god, dude, I'm gonna put that
- 1:10:48in this yeah, I know you can't I'll send it to
- 1:10:50you stupid the dumbest I was so fucking pissed
- 1:10:55right and then like, you know Every Instagram
- 1:10:58meme page is ripping it for like a month and
- 1:11:00like I have my friends sending it to me to do
- 1:11:02what the fuck that's you Yeah, man. Yeah, you
- 1:11:06know, it's really fucking crazy. I legitimately
- 1:11:08think that I've seen that I legitimately think
- 1:11:12That I've seen that, too. Because I was like,
- 1:11:14wait a minute. Because now that I've thought
- 1:11:16about it, I was like, wait a minute. Yeah, I
- 1:11:17do think I remember that ablerious little wave.
- 1:11:20So dumb. I remember I made it, and then I went
- 1:11:24to sleep right after, and I woke up in my just
- 1:11:27notification city. Dude. And I was like, holy
- 1:11:31fuck. That's the most I've ever blown up on anything.
- 1:11:33I think I had a tweet blow up on Twitter one
- 1:11:35time back when it was still called Twitter. But
- 1:11:38from there, I was like, OK. Okay, I guess we're
- 1:11:43in it now. Okay. Well, I've done its change now.
- 1:11:46Okay, so I'm super famous now I'm the frog wave
- 1:11:49guy that I Do stand -up also by the way a rivet?
- 1:11:55No for all and I'd be like I'll post like a stand
- 1:11:56-up clip. I'm like Right you started going out
- 1:11:59on stage. You're like and it's like a hunt But
- 1:12:01I'll pose like a stand -up clip was like a hundred
- 1:12:02views ago. How was that? We're touching nine
- 1:12:04milli. What the fuck is this about right? But
- 1:12:07it's just one of those things where I guess it
- 1:12:08just caught the algorithm and it was harmless
- 1:12:10enough that people thought it was funny or thought
- 1:12:12it was cute or whatever. It's so weird how that
- 1:12:15works. I don't get it. I don't get it either.
- 1:12:16I don't get it. Dude, there's like a science
- 1:12:18behind it that I just can't get, dude. No, neither
- 1:12:20do I. And I know some people that can hit that
- 1:12:21constantly. Yeah. And they're just like, boom,
- 1:12:24boom, boom, boom. Every time I have some friends
- 1:12:26like that, I'm just like, how the fuck do you
- 1:12:27do that? Yeah, I'm like... I just can't. It is
- 1:12:31just what they put out, you know? Yeah. And people
- 1:12:33are like, you got to post three or four times
- 1:12:35a day. And I go... That sounds exhausting. It
- 1:12:39is, I do one clip a day and it's like, it's fucking
- 1:12:42exhausting. Yeah, and that's the thing I noticed
- 1:12:44about you, I was like, dude, he's really consistent,
- 1:12:46that's rad. And it's like one a day. Yeah. God,
- 1:12:50when I was doing it, we were doing that too,
- 1:12:52we were doing like one a day. Yeah, it's just
- 1:12:53one a day. This sucks. Yeah, because it's all
- 1:12:56like, it's just piecing it together and then
- 1:12:57trying to appease the algorithm gods. You know,
- 1:13:02my content, I know it's gonna be like a slow
- 1:13:04growth. You know, like, and, but I, I wasn't
- 1:13:08surprised. I mean, I wasn't like, um, like, prepared
- 1:13:11for like when Jamie Lee's clip went to a million.
- 1:13:15I was like, cause I did the same thing. Like
- 1:13:17I woke up and then she'd, she'd wrote me and
- 1:13:19she was like, Whoa, you see what's going on with
- 1:13:21it? And I was like, no. And I looked and I was
- 1:13:24like, Whoa. And then it just kept going and going
- 1:13:26and going. And then I was like, man, that's incredible.
- 1:13:29You know, so I couldn't imagine like that times
- 1:13:31like nine, like that's insane. Like the first
- 1:13:36one, the first million, I was like, man, this
- 1:13:38is amazing. Like this is great. It feels great.
- 1:13:40So I couldn't imagine all of a sudden like nine
- 1:13:42million. It was like in the course of like two
- 1:13:45days. It was just like boom, boom, boom, boom,
- 1:13:47boom, boom. And like, yeah, I remember like my
- 1:13:49comedian friends back in Hawaii were like sending
- 1:13:51me like my own meme, I guess, that happened.
- 1:13:54And they were just like, they go, this is your
- 1:13:55legacy now, by the way. I'm like, fuck you, man.
- 1:13:58Me and a frog, baby. That's just me, I guess.
- 1:14:00Shit. That's it. Well, dude, we're gonna wrap
- 1:14:02it up. I'm sorry. I don't mean to, because this
- 1:14:05is one of those wonderful conversations that
- 1:14:06I'm like, I don't want to wrap up. No, that's
- 1:14:08fine. Yeah, of course. I literally have said
- 1:14:12this so many times on this show. I'm like, I
- 1:14:13have to fucking get better memory or bigger memory
- 1:14:15cards. Yeah, yeah, no, you're chilling. Because
- 1:14:17I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Yeah, no, no,
- 1:14:20no. But before we wrap it up, man, this is your
- 1:14:23camera. Is there anything you want to put out?
- 1:14:26Shit, no, you can follow me on Instagram at that
- 1:14:31funny dude AJ. You can follow me on TikTok at
- 1:14:34AJNist209. You can come see me at Vulcan. I work
- 1:14:38there almost every night. I'm your friendly neighborhood
- 1:14:40door guy. Come on by and come see me, but yeah,
- 1:14:43man. Hell yeah, dude. Man, thank you so much
- 1:14:45for coming on, dude. Of course, thanks for having
- 1:14:47me. That was awesome. That was a lot of fun.
- 1:14:48So much fun, dude. Fuck yeah. Thank you. I love
- 1:14:49that, dude. I love that. That's it. Alright,
- 1:14:54well cool. Thank you guys so much and tune in
- 1:14:56next week. All that good stuff. Oh, that's it.
- 1:14:58That's a wrap. Adios. Boom.