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Developing Stories At Eagles Training Camp (PST Episode 577) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: What's up, my friends. It is Jeff here from the
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  Speaker 1: psc podcast show. We wanted to let you know. This
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  Speaker 1: podcast episode was recorded on Wednesday, July thirty first, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. By the time you hear this, some things
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  Speaker 1: may have changed here or there, but we hope you
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed the show. Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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  Speaker 1: the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world,
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  Speaker 1: eleven years strong. We got a great show coming to
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  Speaker 1: you this week. We got some Phillies talk as this
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  Speaker 1: team made some acquisitions before the trade deadline. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get into some Summer Olympics talk as well, what event
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  Speaker 1: we would love to participate in. And then from there
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  Speaker 1: Sixers Nation, we should say, the Sixers team. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Sixers Nation is waiting to see whether or not the
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six ers are gonna have a new arena
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  Speaker 1: at some point down the road, perhaps in the two
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  Speaker 1: thy thirties. May not actually happen. At this point, things
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  Speaker 1: have stalled. And then we're gonna get into a ton
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  Speaker 1: of Eagles talk as we're in the midst of training camp.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Warren. I'm here at my good buddy Eric Leonard.
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  Speaker 1: How are things going, Eric.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, not bad. It's it's that weird like part of
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  Speaker 2: summer where it's coming to the end for the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been on a vacation because I just started
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  Speaker 2: a new job. Kind of just I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 2: the air kind of right now, you know, the middle aged. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be forty eight soon and like, oh, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: A birthday's coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, got Eric's birthday coming up? Folks. Oh, forty eight,
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  Speaker 1: Holy kay? You know, a it does look a day
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  Speaker 1: over thirty five.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy like you were at my thirtieth birthday.
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  Speaker 2: We threw a huge thing in harrisburg Ley. Yes, like
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  Speaker 2: sixty seventy people and it was it was a black
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  Speaker 2: you know. Some people will say it feels like it
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  Speaker 2: was just yesterday. No, it feels like it feels like
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: It does feel like a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we've got we've.
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  Speaker 1: We've lived a lot of life since then, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's get into this show here, because
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Eric, I had a bad feeling
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the All Star break that we were
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  Speaker 1: going to be seeing some garbage from the Phillies because
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  Speaker 1: that All Star Break really just stopped the momentum that
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  Speaker 1: this team had. They continue to drop series here. Things
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  Speaker 1: are just snowballing for this team, and not in a
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  Speaker 1: good way. They have been playing their worst baseball the
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  Speaker 1: season since coming back from the All Star Break. As
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  Speaker 1: we know, they've made some trades I think to help
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  Speaker 1: this team, and I think at some point these trades
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  Speaker 1: will help this team. How helpful will they be? But
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  Speaker 1: it's we'll get into the trades. But man, it has
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  Speaker 1: been disheartening watching this team on a nightly basis, especially
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  Speaker 1: as the Yankees absolutely just murdered them. And look, they
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  Speaker 1: got a West Coast trip coming up that is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be tough. The Seattle Mariners, They've got the Dodgers, the Diamondbacks.
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  Speaker 1: These are tough teams that they're going to be facing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that if they continue to have a
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  Speaker 1: slump here, things in the NLS could really take a
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  Speaker 1: turn for the worse for this team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think last week I said on the show that
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  Speaker 2: my uh my concern levels out of three. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think it was a swoon. I think it was just
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  Speaker 2: kind of a step back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, We're we're.
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  Speaker 2: I'm at about I'm at about an eight right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel a swoon coming.
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  Speaker 1: I'm scared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little scared that that that that getting
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  Speaker 2: your as by the Yankees after they made a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of deals that we're a lot splashier than our deals.
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  Speaker 2: That was a punch to the face. There was footage
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  Speaker 2: of Yankee fans punching Phillies fans after games, and I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, wow, man, maybe it is like we're
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  Speaker 2: the top dog and teams are coming at us right
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  Speaker 2: now and I'm very disheartening series for them and you
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  Speaker 2: and you're right, the upcoming schedule is like it's it's
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  Speaker 2: not any easier. The Dodgers got much better with all
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  Speaker 2: the moves they made, and you kind of want to,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of want to go into their buildings in
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  Speaker 2: La and Arizona and like kind of beat them up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, like send a message. But right now
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  Speaker 2: we are in zero position to be doing that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I pulled there. I was looking at the Phillies pre
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  Speaker 2: all start break and post all start break right stats. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the pitching, the pitching is, I mean, the offense is.
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  Speaker 2: The offense is sputtering. The pitching is awful. Offensively there,
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  Speaker 2: they're forty points below their average from the first half
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  Speaker 2: YEAP too sixty in the first half and two thirty
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  Speaker 2: so far. OPS is down to six eight six eighty one.
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  Speaker 2: It was seven to fifty five. The offense has really
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  Speaker 2: falling off. And then pitching wise, these are all just
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  Speaker 2: like combined pitching starters in and relievers. But man, the
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  Speaker 2: whip is up twenty two twenty two points.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The era is four six eight over three four one
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  Speaker 2: the first half before the before the the All Star Game.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just it's everybody, it's every facet of
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  Speaker 2: the team is like really really just just off and
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  Speaker 2: like they and the team doesn't have that. I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it comes from home runs and wins,
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  Speaker 2: and they could that's how they kind of get all
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  Speaker 2: jacked up. It's just kind of they're kind of just
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  Speaker 2: not it's they're they're approaching swoon territory. And then part
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  Speaker 2: of it is that enthusiasm that's just just I don't
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  Speaker 2: see it right now.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, this team is let
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  Speaker 1: the certain aspects of this team, whether it's a hitting
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  Speaker 1: of the pitching, they're letting each other down. This is
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  Speaker 1: a season when where the pitching has been faltering, the
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  Speaker 1: bats are able to help come alive and get this
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  Speaker 1: team where it needs to be get wins. And when
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  Speaker 1: the bats are cold at times, the pitching is stepped up.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody is doing that at all at this point. Nobody's
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  Speaker 1: doing that. This team is in a big hole at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, and it seems to be some problems in
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  Speaker 1: house that I'm not sure that a huge splash at
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  Speaker 1: the trade deadline would have solved for this team, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: because you got Bryce Harper, who he's now, I mean
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  Speaker 1: as I mean last night after the second Yankees game,
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  Speaker 1: he was like two of twenty nine at the plate.
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  Speaker 1: Totally unacceptable. Bryce and Scott has been extremely disappointing as well.
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  Speaker 1: And again, if I had to put a grade on
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  Speaker 1: these trades that were made and the acquisitions, I would
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  Speaker 1: actually give it like a C plus or a B minus.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they held onto their top prospects in the
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  Speaker 1: farm system, and I think that's something we should keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind as we transition to talking about these trades.
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  Speaker 1: But again, this team, they're not helping each other out
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  Speaker 1: at all. They're letting each other down night after night.
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  Speaker 1: There's no cohesion. They need a spark, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure Austin Hayes, Carlos Estevez, Tanner Banks are going to
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  Speaker 1: put this team over the top. They're not. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to Austin Hayes. Yes, I'm glad they
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  Speaker 1: have the everyday left fielder now at this point, Carlos
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  Speaker 1: Estevez the ninth inning closer, and upgrade certainly over Sir
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Dominguez. He's got this kind of Jose Alvarado kind
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  Speaker 1: of year last year. I'm talking about Carlos Estevez, where
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  Speaker 1: great first half of the season and then he kind
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  Speaker 1: of came apart. Tanner Banks, we don't know too too
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  Speaker 1: much about. Definitely an upgrade I think over Gregory Soto,
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  Speaker 1: because no one could trust Soto as far as they
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  Speaker 1: could throw them. Not a ton of experience thus far,
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  Speaker 1: but obviously Dave Dombrowski sees something in this kid. So
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  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna like, if I had to give these
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  Speaker 1: this trade deadline a grade, it'd probably be around B minus,
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  Speaker 1: maybe like C plus. Not huge splashes, but I think
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  Speaker 1: they were able to slightly to a certain degree upgrade
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  Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of what they needed for
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  Speaker 1: this team.
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  Speaker 2: It's a serious plus, they only do a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: And you called the Tanner guy kid, I think he's
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  Speaker 2: like thirty three.
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  Speaker 1: He is, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he on like broke into major leagues at age
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  Speaker 2: thirty or something like that, which is always a little
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  Speaker 2: little concerning. Yeah, these are all these are all just
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  Speaker 2: moves for the second half of this year. I can't
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  Speaker 2: see them having much of the future with the team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: even Austin Hayes was just kind of a I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure the Oils were like, yeah, sure, if you
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  Speaker 2: want them. I guess it isn't a big so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they were. They were minor moves, not very splashy. Like
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  Speaker 2: I said, the Dodgers made some real big moves, as
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  Speaker 2: did the Yankees. I'm hoping that I'm hoping that, uh,
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  Speaker 2: on this West Coast trip, I'm hoping for five hundred
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  Speaker 2: because in light of what they did coming out of
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  Speaker 2: the All Star Break that actually that'd probably be pretty
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  Speaker 2: good for them. And then it's big because then you
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  Speaker 2: got you come home and they have nine straight against
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  Speaker 2: anelast opponents after that, almost finishing out August, they play
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  Speaker 2: the break Marlins and Nationals, who just suck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they when they get back from the West Coast,
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  Speaker 1: I think they start playing the Marlins, thank god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in the Nationals too are terrible, so
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  Speaker 2: that those are those are the games you really because
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  Speaker 2: you're getting out of the point of like if you
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  Speaker 2: beat ale teams, that's great, but really you need to
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  Speaker 2: start beating the teams in your division and not not
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  Speaker 2: just your not just your league. Yeah, so I'm hoping
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  Speaker 2: five hundred, Like I said, it'd be really awfully out there,
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  Speaker 2: and just ship the bet against the Dodgers and Diamondbacks
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  Speaker 2: because you face one of them in the playoffs, they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be like, well we we just we just kicked
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  Speaker 2: their asses like a month and a half ago. So yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was on a podcast this morning and we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about whether or not we should be in panic
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  Speaker 1: mode as Phillies fans. I'll be honest, like, I think
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  Speaker 1: panic mode is like the worry meter is at like
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  Speaker 1: a ten, you're at about an eight. I'm at about
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  Speaker 1: like a seven seven and a half rate around there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm scared at this point, but I'm not like fool
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  Speaker 1: on panic. I hate when people are like this team
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  Speaker 1: has it's right now, even though they're dropping series here,
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  Speaker 1: they're still in a decent position. So I'm not completely
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  Speaker 1: one panics, but I'm pretty damn scared as we're moving
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  Speaker 1: ahead here.
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  Speaker 2: See, I think I'm higher than you because unlike previous
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  Speaker 2: like they're healthy this year, right now.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, they are.
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  Speaker 2: This is pretty much the squad, Yeah, besides Ranger Swarez,
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  Speaker 2: Like they're pretty much all healthy and they're playing like
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  Speaker 2: absolutely shit. And that that's the most concerning thing is
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  Speaker 2: like if they had if they had like three or
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: four players on the ir right now, be one thing.
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  Speaker 2: But like they're pretty healthy. The the Suarez injury is
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  Speaker 2: really concerning. Christopher Sanchez has had like what one and
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  Speaker 2: a half good years in his career. Yeah, if Suarez
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  Speaker 2: isn't ready to go once they're like near the end
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  Speaker 2: of the season, playoffs are coming up, and you've got
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  Speaker 2: Wheela Wheeler, Nola, a shaky Sanchez possibly, and then Tajwan
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  Speaker 2: Walker's are fourth that all of a sudden, like the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs are whoa, yeah, it's gonna be a Wheeler Nola
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  Speaker 2: and then you cross your fingers for the other two.
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  Speaker 2: So that the starting pitching depth, that's the one that's
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  Speaker 2: the one thing I wanted Don Braski to address, and
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  Speaker 2: he did not at all. I know that they they
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  Speaker 2: bring what's the kid's named, Jake something.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the the guy that they brought over in the
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what's his name? What's his name? Dang?
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  Speaker 2: The kid just he just he just he just did
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  Speaker 2: the complete game.
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  Speaker 1: Seth Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: No, because they're terrible. We're a Philadelphia podcast. We can't.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh yeah, the Phillips. I thought you
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  Speaker 1: meant that for some reason. I'm thinking because they brought
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  Speaker 1: some other guys over in some of these trades too,
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  Speaker 1: a guy from the Orioles Seth Johnson, uh and and
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  Speaker 1: another guy a Noisy Chase or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Phillips, Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you don't want to rely on him going
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  Speaker 2: into the playoffs. That's my one. That's why I'm an
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  Speaker 2: eight is because they're kind of healthy and the potential
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  Speaker 2: to starting pitching, the whole thing not coming together because
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  Speaker 2: Ranger kind of was the glue in the middle there,
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  Speaker 2: the bridge to like the bottom of the starting line,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's where I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: I am also thinking about what it's gonna take for
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  Speaker 1: this team to kind of get back into form, get
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  Speaker 1: back to what we saw prior to the trade or
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  Speaker 1: not trade deadline, prior to the All Star Break. I
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  Speaker 1: honestly think, Eric, if they win like two games in
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  Speaker 1: a row, two or three, if they get like a
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  Speaker 1: good two to three games in a row, I think
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  Speaker 1: they're back. I really do. And I know that may
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  Speaker 1: sound simplistic, but I think it's a spark. This team
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  Speaker 1: needs a spark. I think a two game win streak here,
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  Speaker 1: two games in a row kind of get them back
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  Speaker 1: into form. Like what do you think? Yeah? What do
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  Speaker 1: I mean? What do you think it's gonna maybe help?
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  Speaker 1: We're experts here.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you're giving them the absolute minute, like
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  Speaker 2: it is the minimum freak two, that's the.
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  Speaker 1: Just too not one win two?
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  Speaker 2: How about two? If they got two series in a row, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I go back to like a four, Like okay, we're
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  Speaker 2: all right. Like if they got to Seattle and win
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  Speaker 2: two out of three, I'm like, okay, I feel better now. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it would go away quickly and then and then got
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  Speaker 2: good news about Suaz or something, it would jump back
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  Speaker 2: to like probably a four bit right now that Like
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  Speaker 2: I said that that sweep was disheartening and really like
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  Speaker 2: a slap in the face, like from a team you
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  Speaker 2: know that you might you might face them down the road,
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  Speaker 2: the deal, and they just kicked your ass.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And they're fans in in Citizens Bank Park. Terrible, terrible.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to our next topic here
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  Speaker 1: before we get to our first break here. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you all out there have been watching the Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly have. My family has, just due to the
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  Speaker 1: fact that my daughter is a gymnast. We've certainly been
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: following the USA gymnastics team, certainly what someone Biles has
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  Speaker 1: been doing Sony Lee as well, you know. And I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to bring a topic here to the show this week.
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  Speaker 1: If we had a choice, which Summer Olympics sport or
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  Speaker 1: event would we want to anticipate in and why? Because
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at these athletes, I swear to God, even
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  Speaker 1: water polo Eric, I'm like, I couldn't do I just
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do this stuff. Of course, not at this age.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I used to play tennis. When I was
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  Speaker 1: in high school. I played varsity tennis. Believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: I was decent, but man, like, it's the athleticism never
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  Speaker 1: ceases to amaze me when I watch my daughters, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's my one daughter does karadi, my other daughter just
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  Speaker 1: does gymnastics. The athleticism, it is astonishing to watch it
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  Speaker 1: all the time with these individuals due to their bodies.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, Man, if I had my choice,
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  Speaker 1: if I had talent, if I had the body, what
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  Speaker 1: would I want to What sport would I want to
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  Speaker 1: play in? Uh or be a part of it in
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  Speaker 1: the summer Olympics. So what is that for you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was watching three and three basketball yesterday. Oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, and they got the US team got be bad.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand that team at all. Yeah. I text
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  Speaker 2: all you guys earlier too. They like, there's so many
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  Speaker 2: guys from the NBA that like just retired a year
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  Speaker 2: or two ago that they could have just picked up
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  Speaker 2: and like won this thing running away. Instead they have
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  Speaker 2: Jimmer for Debt and three guys I never played in
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  Speaker 2: the league. I don't think. I don't understand. I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand how this team got composed. It makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's really bizarre sports. So at first I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: maybe this would be the one because because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I could maybe make it. Basketball's cool, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't like the feel of it. It's
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  Speaker 2: just bizarre. One I would love to try, and I'll
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: get to the one I would definitely would like to
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  Speaker 2: be in. There's a canoe slalom. Yes, that's insane. I
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: kind of dig that it does. It does man, the
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: upper body strength you have to have for that crap. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm definitely gonna mark the one. I would definitely
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: want to be able to be the break dancing one. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: where she that it's in the Olympics. I of course,
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  Speaker 2: like most eighties kids, like born in the late seventies
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  Speaker 2: was into hip hop and the the mid eighties had
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  Speaker 2: had the cardboard I was just gonna say.
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  Speaker 1: Break up that cardboard box, put it down.
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  Speaker 2: And get going. I mean every kid my age at
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  Speaker 2: some point had the year or two of like was
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  Speaker 2: really into break dancing. Yeah, and the Seaton Olympics in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty. It's just really cool. And on a side note,
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  Speaker 2: part of the reason I picked it too was my
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: daughter was just at a dance intensive in Boston for
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: three weeks and her one hip hop instructors in on
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: the Olympic team. Oh really break dance? Yes, all right? Now, yeah,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: all right, very cool.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Very cool. I like that. I'd like those answers. Yeah, this,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the canoe one is fantastic. It really is crazy.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah for me, I can nude. I'm sure you have two?
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can. You know this? I could do this.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: My delts are hurting after like three minutes, exactly.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine going as fast as I could. Yes,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: like in a race.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yes for me, I gotta go with something. I don't
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: know if it's boring or not, but I gotta go
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: with skateboarding. I actually got I gotta go with skateboarding.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It's something I've always loved, admired it from Afar, you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: whether it was you know, Tony Hawk or of course
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you know guy we followed back in the day, Bam Margera,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you know, from the Philly area. I've always loved skateboarding,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the athleticism, the precision when it comes to skateboarding, and
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just fucking cool. Man. Skateboarding is just
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: fucking cool. And the fact that it's been an Olympic
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: sport now for for a little while it's been It's
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: been a few games, right I think. Yeah, Yeah, I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: mean I love it.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It took him way too long. I mean the X
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Games were happening. If you watch any skateboarding documentary, that
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: those comps have been going on forever and ever since
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the seventies. Yeah, and it's and even after the Winter Olympics,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you know, got snowboarding, you know. I just like skateboarding
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: should have been the Olympics starting nineties. Maybe, Yeah, it's
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: been around that long, so yeah, I agree with you.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: It is super awesome. I did it for a short while.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: It was around the same time as the breakdancing thing,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: and it was one of those things where I was like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not very good at this. I'm going to break
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: my face. Yeah, I didn't do it for very long.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm amazed when I watched the Olympics, Eric,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: when you look at the swimmers, you look at the gymnasts,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: like you look at those sports and those athletes that
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: are doing the sports that have been around for a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: really long time, and you can see how the sports
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: have actually progressed. Of course, like with Simone Biles, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: mean because I'm a we're a gymnastics family here. Love
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Simone Biles, always root rooting for all those girls on
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the USA gymnastics team. But you just see the evolution
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of understanding what it was back in the sixties and
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: then the seventies, eighties, nineties, where it is today. It
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: is astonishing how the human body has able or is
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: able to be developed and molded to an extent that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they can actually do some of the moves and tricks
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that they're able to do out there. It really is amazing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you don't see gymnasts when they're older walking
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: around like like nineteen seventies running backs. Yeah, like in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: their fifties, half of them are almost paralyzed, Like girl
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Campbell can barely even move anymore. Right, I'm honestly surprised
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: gymnasts at certain age aren't in wheelchairs because I see
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the shit you. I don't know how they do it
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and then maintain flexibility and movement later in life.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my daughter will be walking out of gymnastics, she's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: walking to the car, and she's got like a little
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: limp going on. I'm like, yeah, right there, I said,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I split the beam like four times
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, Jesus, just the thought of it,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you know, and she's like, all right, I'm gonna keep
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: doing it, keep going back to it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Well, my my daughter comes out of dance and she's like, yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: my hip's hurt, and she shows me the moves they
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: were doing. It's like sixty times, and I'm like, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of course they hurt. Yes, ping out of socket, like
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: seeing what you're doing.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, we're gonna ge into our first break.
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• 20:32
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• 20:35
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• 20:37
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• 20:39
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• 20:59
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• 21:01
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• 21:03
  Speaker 1: how did he come across this?
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• 21:22
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• 21:25
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• 21:27
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• 21:32
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• 21:34
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• 21:49
  Speaker 1: quick break here. We'll be back in just a bit.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: All right, We are back and we're gonna be getting
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: into some Sixers talk. Nothing with regard to the roster here,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: but plans for the new Sixers stadium have really stalled
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: at this point. We've been following this story here at
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the PST podcast show and a new angle and I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to call it new development because it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: kind of been there, but New Jersey officials are trying
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to lure the team and the new arena to Camden.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: How would that actually change the dynamics of Sixers fandom? Eric,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because I think it could happen
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, Harris Blitzer Sports
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and Entertainment, which owns the Sixers and the New Jersey Devils.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You know, we are all too well aware of Josh
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Harris and how he likes to run his businesses. He
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: wants to make money, doesn't really care about the fans
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: too too much. But for the past couple months they've
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: been discussing a plan with New Jersey officials to relocate
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the team to Camden, and it I think it would
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: be interesting in terms of the fandom. I think it
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: would be interesting in that it would feel disconnected from
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the city. I think even though a lot of players
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I believe live over in New Jersey, I think there
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: would be a disconnect. And it kind of pains me
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: because I love the renderings of the building and the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: arena in Center City that have been proposed. Of course,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: there's the group in Chinatown that is really opposed to it,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and they're really working to kill the plan, which I
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: totally get. I get it you don't want this huge
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: arena in your backyard. But I don't know. I think
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: going over to Camden, I think it would really kind
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of change the dynamic of who and what the Philadelphia
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: seventy six ers are. To be honest with you, it
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: would create a bit of a disconnect, I think for
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: US fans. I don't know, what are your thoughts on this?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: A couple thoughts, because this ositizes into when the Phillies
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: we're thinking about putting their stadium down there Chinatown back
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and I think it was like, oh boy, that was
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: a while ago. Yeah, Yeah, that was one of the plans,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and that completely fell through and unfortunately didn't have much
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to do with the Chinatown group. They pretty much trying
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to do the same thing they're doing now. Had more
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to do with just economics and real estate. But I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: think Harris is a businessman. He's a sports owner where
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: he's a businessman at heart. I think he knows moving
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the team, he's gonna make money either way. Owning an
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: NBA team is just you just print money. Especially the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: new TV deal coming up with NBC as opposed to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: tn T. They're going to make billions on that. But
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: he's smart enough to know you moved to Camden, you're
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: kind of pricing out. You're like Richie rich fans, Yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit, the ones that come from the Philly
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: suburbs that aren't gonna want to go to Camden. If anybody, yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: if you're familiar with that area, you know you and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I have been to shows at the waterfront Camden Spot
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a couple many times. They heard you as soon as
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you go over the bridge, the Ben Franklin or whatever
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you go, They basically heard you right into the waterfront
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: parking lot. They don't allow you to go into Camden
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in one second. Cam is much better than it used
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to be. When I lived there, it was one of
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: those like it was like number one in the country
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: for crime and violence for many years. I think I
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: think even he knows moving it over there, you know
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: he's gonna make money, It's just not the best move.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: As far as the arena, there's practice facilities, Shore is
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: going to be there. If we saw it, it's it's incredible,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like and it's really beautiful. Yeah, but I think moving
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the I think moving the arena there is a bad move.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I think ultimately it's gonna wind up right where they're
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: going to put it in center city. That's that's how
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: most cities now have their sports arenas, most of more downtown.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm going to Buffalo in a few weeks,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and that's a perfect example of like you know, you're
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: walking downtown and there's the Sabers Arena right there, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: then their minor league baseball one is right down the street,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: right in the city. And that's how, really how it
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: should be done. The way the the way the Phillies
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: have it is just so archaic. Just down by the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Navy Yard in South Philly, just as these dead. There's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: no restaurants.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of nothing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: You have to eat at Exfinity Live because that's all
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: there is there.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Which kind of just thinks after all these years, when
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it Exfinity Live first came, it was great. It was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: great at first, it really was, but then it's like, oh, boy,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: are we just going to get this overpriced crap here?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: No offense, folks, I'm just saying a lot of overpriced nonsense.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And I've had people like reach out to me who
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: listen to the show or just people that know I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: live there, and they're like, hey, give me some recommendations
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: when I go to a game. Yeah, And I'm like, well,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you gotta be ready. You have to be willing to travel.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be down there. You're gonna have
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to go somewhere else, right to actually enjoy something that's
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: not a fifteen dollars beer at Exfinity Live and a
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: twenty two dollars cheese steak. But I think ultimately that's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: where it's going to go. They have at a point
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: where you can't wells Fargo Center is just so yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: there really is. It's in between the two stadiums. There's
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: nothing special about it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It's mid here we go, it's mid Eric.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It has no riz exactly.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Our kids will be proud of us.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: No cap Jeff, Yes, yeah, so I just I'm hoping
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: it goes downtown. I know people downtown can be pissed off,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and I believe me, I get it. But it's also
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: like it's gonna happen anyway. I understand trying to fight it,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: but it's it's it's economics and the city's I'm sure
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the downtown area is dying for something like that to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: come there because what else really is in center city
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that would draw tons and tons of people in for
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: like one night kind of deal. Because he had Mention Center.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: That's pretty much it. It's really not much else. Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really interesting. I'd love to hear other
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: people's thoughts out there with this, because you know, it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting notion for me as somebody who's a
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: public official too. When you get these development projects throughout
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: your communities, you have people who are opposed to it,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you have people who do support it, and you know
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people at the end of the day
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily like change, but people also don't want something
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: forced down their throats either, and coming to that balance,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I think is one it's important and two it's tough
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: to actually get to. But at the end of the day,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like I'm dealing with that, I can't believe were talking
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: about this on a freaking show right now, But like
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with the development thing with regard to my
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: county council position here, it's something that I'm very much
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in favor of taking a forty year old blighted building
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and actually creating something instead of just having it blighted
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for another forty years, I would say so. Anyway, I'd
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: love to hear from folks out there with regard to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: this situation with the Sixers and where their arena may go.
• 28:49
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• 28:51
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• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And before we again get to our next break and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: what we're thrown down on the table, Eric, real quick,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: let's get into some Eagles training camp, maybe some stories
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that we've been following this week. Team is finally in pads.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is looking pretty good, the receivers are looking good.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I love the way
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that our new cornerback, first round pick Quinon Mitchell and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown have been jawn with each other, trash talking
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: each other, and then they're just putting their arms around
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: each other after they're done on the field. They're challenging
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: each other. I think AJ Brown is making Quinnon Mitchell
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: before our eyes and even better cornerback. And look, I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: don't know if Quinjon Mitchell is gonna be that next
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: starter opposite side of Darius Slay to start the season,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: but I love that. I love this storyline so far,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: teammates helping each other out to help get to that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: next level. Cornerback, as we know, is the most difficult
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: position to transition to from college to the NFL, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that's like a storyline I've been following that. I think
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: it's really cool and I think it goes to show
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the leadership on this team and guys being will willing
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to really step up in that regard. AJ Brown has
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: certainly been doing it so that that's one key takeaway
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: from this past week that I'm really going to continue
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to keep my eyes on.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: What about you, man, Well, I to piggyback off yours.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Isaiah Rodgers too, has looked phenomenal in camp, so f
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: everyone's saying, so, what a good problem to have, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to really damn good cornerbacks along with Sleigh. I love
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: how DeVante Smith got signed, made his money and not
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: resting on his laurels at all. He showed up ready
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to freaking go. I think he wants to prove in
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: his mind that he's a number one receiver even though
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: he's on a team with aj Brown. I think it's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: a competition thing, healthy competition. Again, what a great problem
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to have a guy who thinks he's a number one
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: when he's actually a one B one thing. I'll say.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I also, I was reading BLG and everybody's saying this
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to Sheila Caapedia said on the Ringer the other day
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: on the Philly There's Philly Special podcast. Whatever it is
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that Jalen Carter looks like a monster. Yeah, like he's
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: ready too, And and we talked a lot about how
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: he and his drafting capabilities, and you went Davis and
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Carters back to back. Fletcher Cox is not there to
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: be that band ait anymore in the middle. It's like
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: one of these two has to step up and be
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: that guy. I'm not sure if Jordan Davis is that guy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's ever gonna be in good
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: enough shape to be a Fletcher Cox. But Jalen Carter
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: certainly has the build in the mentality to do that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: And just to hear that he's there just like I'm
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the man now, like that, no one's no one's stopping me.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I love that. One thing. I we we could talk
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: about this now. I talked a lot about Nakobe Dean
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: last week and he hasn't gotten one rep with the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: first team defense yet and it's a full weekend with pads.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: That's highly, highly concerning. And plus everyone's saying Devin White
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: looks phenomenal, looks fast and looks ready to go. That
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that that that's probably spills trouble for Kobe Dean.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, No, I think so. And the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: fact that actually Jeremiah Trotter Junior has been getting some
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: love this week too, when given the opportunity, you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: not necessarily these guys being able to cover in space.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about it here. I've been talking about
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it here. I probably sound like a broken record, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that the Eagles front office has
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: made that a priority. With regard to the talent they're
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: bringing in for the linebacker position, they just haven't but
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: they want guys getting to the ball. They want pursuit
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to the ball. Devin White is certainly getting it done.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Trotter Junior is getting it done. So is Zach
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Bond too from all indications, But Nakoby Dean seems to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: be perhaps the odd man out at this point, not
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: making any splashes, kind of just going along with things here,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and he could be that odd man out and he
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: may be looking for a job over the course of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: these next few weeks here.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if he doesn't step up and grab
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: his starting spot, the supply is last year on the team,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine. Yeah, they would keep him on the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: roster after this. The good news that Nolan Smith looks
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: really good. Yes, one says he's lying around. And what's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the kids named Jlex Hunt Jalos actually Jalx. Yeah, I
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: love that name. I'll learn how to pronounce a draft pick.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one of the draft picks from this year.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But they're we're saying he's surprising people, like, we didn't
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: see this, we didn't think it was this good. Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: He's like a ton a huge athletic type of guy,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: one of one of those like quote project type of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: draft picks, you know. And uh, I like what we're
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: hearing about him. I know we're going to be getting
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: into Nolan Smith a little bit more with Johnny Page,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: who's coming on from Bleedinggreen Nation dot com. Uh, but
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be getting into Nolan Smith a little bit more.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I know he has some ups and down thoughts with
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: regard to Nolan Smith from what he's written. But I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like the fact that good news is coming because the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: guy is a first round draft pick and he's got
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to be able to produce. I think at some point,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you draft him late in the first round
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, we need to see him
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: being able to step up, and I think I think
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: we are at this point. So I my thoughts with
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the defensive line. I've had concerns, as you know, we've
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: talked about it feeling a little bit better, still having
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: some concerns still a little bit here and there about
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: what that edge rush is going to look like with
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Josh Sweat, who kind of fell off at the end
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of last year. Brandon Graham is he's just getting older.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: As we know, Nolan Smith really needs to step it
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: up here. So I'm I'm confident, but with hesitation here.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Now big time. The edge rush is a huge blaring
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: hole going into the going into the season. I think
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have the pressure up front. It's going to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: be on those guys on the edge and you you're
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know everyone tells me Bryce Huff is
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: a damn good football player.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I almost forgot about Bryce Huff. Yes, so I do
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: feel a little better.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I've never really seen him, but I don't know, I
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: have no idea. He hasn't really did much in in
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: camp yet, and and the minor thing the third receiver
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: spot just nothing so far. Yeah, just praying Brown and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: DeVante don't go down because like no one has really
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: stepped up except for the undrafted kid looks pretty good
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: right now from last year.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that's gonna be a battle. Let's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: talk about that more at some point down the road, buddy,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But I know you got to get going. You got
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: an early morning tomorrow, So any final thoughts before we
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: head out here.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: No, No, I have to get a early and drive.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I have to go to work for like, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: a day I work remote, so like, yeah, but.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You're still going to work. I still say that I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: go to work, you know what I mean, even though
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I'm working from home.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It is actually nice, though, get every now and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: again to actually to get up and go somewhere. Yes,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I don't mind that. Yeah, but I'm I'm surely not
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: going to complain to a bunch of people who have
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to go to work tomorrow right now. I have to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: go to work once this week.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, buddy, Well I'll let you go. Folks,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: were gonna take a quick break to pay some bills.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a bit. All right, we
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: are back. Let's now get to what we are throwing
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: down on the table. We got a great discussion coming
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: more Eagles talk. Johnny Page from Bleeding Green Nation dot
• 36:00
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• 36:04
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• 36:06
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• 36:09
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• 36:14
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• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Oh and he does some podcasts too, Just to let
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you know. We've got the one and only Johnny Page,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Johnny Buddy, thanks so much for jumping on here and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: getting into some Eagles talk. It's an exciting time. Thanks
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: for joining us.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so good. I was just speaking to you off
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: there about how many people that I know have done
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: the show before.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Alexis on recently as well. We're beating Green as well.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: She was on last week, Bog.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think about how many rights as you've
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: had from this start of the pond in England may
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: have not been too many.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: You're the second one. Tom West from Libertyballers dot com
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the other sp nations site. Tom has been on a
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: number of times, and you're the second one, my friend.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But that's okay, your top three, right.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, top three, top two of two. I'm
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: definitely losing, and I'm losing the British like unique this.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Now there's a lot of fans over here. Actually it
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: used to be like there was about me and Lee
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: and Jenkins, who's another got on Twitter. We're about the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: only two that I know of. Yeah, and now there's
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: loads of us, So you're all better get used to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: hearing this. Love the English accent because I don't think
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: we're going away in these times soon as far as
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I'm aware.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I love it keeping our podcast platform sounding very smart.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I like that, and you are very smart. You got it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: You've got seriously great words over at the on the
• 37:30
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• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Shane have do a fantastic job with that podcast and
• 37:37
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• 37:41
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• 37:43
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• 37:46
  Speaker 1: doing over there. Johnny's got some great, great content. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: let's get into this Eagles training camp here, Johnny, because
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: there's definitely excitement about what we've been seeing from this
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore offense and already what we've been seeing in camp,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: just seeing some new stuff we haven't seen from an
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Eagles offense in quite some time. We're seeing, of course
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: big story pre snap motion, but also some play action
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: rollouts within this offense. Like I got really excited with
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that over the past couple of days when I'm like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's actually play action rollouts happening here.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And I find it amazing that we're finding some of
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the most basic stuff that offensive coaches running the NFL
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: exciting here in Philadelphia, but here we are, here, we are,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So Kellen Moore appears to be making a difference thus far. Johnny,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on what we've been seeing and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: really what's been reported from this offense so far in camp?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could probably talk for an entire episode about
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Kelling Moore because I started him quite a lot, probably
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: more than any of our offensive cord and that I'm
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: fascinated by Kellen Moore in general. I think he's a really,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: really good coach. And I'm not saying that because he
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: was hired him, like when the rumors came out. I'd
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: always been a big fan of him, sadly with the Cowboys.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I think I remember playing his offenses. I remember watching
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: offense a lot and being really impressed by him. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: think the best thing that I've basically read from every
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: reporter is that it's his offense. So I think there
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: was maybe a little bit of concern about is it
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: going to be like a blend of Sirianni and what
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: they've done of late, and it's pretty much no. I
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: think the most interesting thing is going to be how
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: they blend his run game because Kellen Moore's run game
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: is very different to Jeff Stalton's run game, and Jeff
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Stouton is still here, So that's going to be the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: thing that I'm keeping an eye on the most. But
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that you've mentioned, like prestat motion
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: is a given. Kellen Moore is a huge fan of it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Basically every successful NFL offense because he accepts ours uses it,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: so it's hardly revolutionary. The play action roll out stuff's
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: really interesting because that often comes from under center, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the Eagles have not had another center run game for
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: basically as long as they drafted Jaden Hurts. It always
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: helps running from shtgun if you've got mobile quarterbacks, So
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: the Eagles have heavily relied on a shotgun run game.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: But I think they're going to have to sort of
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: blend the two together, and that's the thing that I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: really interested to see in preseason. But everything I've been
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: reported is like what I want to hear. I'm sure
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: like you as well. We listened to the player interviews.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think Avonte Maddock spoke a sort of joking lead
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: he's never seen so much.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: In Devonte Smith as he has in this training camp.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: And that's just basic because for all of you fantasy
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: guys out there as well, basically the slot guy in
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Kellem Moore's offense just goes nuts every year. So if
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Devontae Smith is playing in the slot a lot, I
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: think he's going to put up some seriously good numbers
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: this year. It might be more like a one A,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: one B situation with Smith and Brown that we've seen
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: in the past, but I think it's basically like exactly
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: what you wanted to see, Like the Eagles offense just
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: needed something a little bit fresh. They were basically an
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: extremely talented offense individually that was let down by a
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: very basic scheme. And I think Keller Moore will just
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: bring a sort of a new approach where it's not
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: going to be reliant on individuals simply winning and actually
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: giving individuals help. Because as good as Aja Brown is,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: as good as Devonte Smith as, you can't just expect,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: against very good defensive players and very good defensive schemes,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: guys just to individually go out there and win every week.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: And I think last year we saw that when.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: It worked, it was still very successful because the Eagles
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: got very good players, and if Nick Sery and He's
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: offense was still here, it would still be very good
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: this year, because the Eagles offense has got too much
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: talent to not be good, right, but it desperately needed
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a pair of fresh eyes. It desperately needed someone to
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: look at things from a different perspective. And basically everything
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I'm seeing so far is that it's Kelly Moore's offense
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: and if they can work, and I do think there'll
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: be a learning curve between Hurts and Kelly Moore because
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: it will be different to him. He's never done this before.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: There'll be stuff like turning his back to the defense
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that is very new for him, and he might hate
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: it at times.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: But if the two.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Could actually get on well and it blends successfully, then
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I think this team is going to have a very
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: very good offense this year.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: And I think he was fan still be excited about that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it is excited, very exciting, I should say
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the fresh look. I mean that in itself is I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: think the essence of what we are so excited about
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: us Eagles fans in general, and from all reports Jalen Hurts,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: he looks very, very fluid with his passes, putting the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: ball where it needs to be down the field. And again, Johnny,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: this is camp. You know, there's only been a few
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: days of practice. Thus they just put on the pads
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this week for the first time. I am very much
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing how Jalen Hurts is able to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: understand the blitz where it's coming from, how he is
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: able to whether whether or not he's able to audible
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: during certain plays times of the game, as well as
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the season progresses. I want him to develop in that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: manner because I think there were times within knick Series
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: old off Nick Siriani's old offense where it was a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: struggle for him every now and again and perhaps maybe
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: just relying on his legs a little too much. What
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: do you want to see when it comes to Jalen
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Hurts and his decision making as he's progressing through camp
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and this coming season overall.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question because this is a very
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: very good quarterback. But he's a strange quarterback where he
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: has a lot of things he could improve on, even
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: though he's already very good. Because I always describe him
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: as like his strength or a very very strong so
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: he can live off his accuracy in his athletics and
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: basically the two days he's so accurate with a bow
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and he's so athletics that pretty much. You can have
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of other flaws in life as a quarterback,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: but if you're good at those two things, you can
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: get away with it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: There's a lot I could talk about.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Again. I think I've mentioned the under center thing about
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: turning his back to the defense. I think the biggest
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: thing I want to see from him, and I'll be
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: looking at this in preseason if he plays, which he
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: probably won't, so it'll be a Week one and week two.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Think it's just being decisive for the football. I think
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: sometimes Hurts hold onto the ball too long. I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: this Eagles offense has been guilty of taking too many
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: like deep shots, but I think Hurts is part of
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: that as well. As much as you can blame the coach,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think every single bit of blame can always
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: go on the coaches. Like I think there were times
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: last year when I saw that they had a vertical
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: route called and maybe it was one on one, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Hurts took it and some quarterbacks wouldn't take it. They
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: would then get to their second and third read, And
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's easy to blame the coaches for saying, well,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: why have they got that read in the system?
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: But pretty much every.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: NFL offense has first few works for most plays, it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: down to a quarterback to take it or not. And
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I think of someone like Justin Herbert who's got an
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: amazing arm, but doesn't take those shots down the field.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: And maybe if you played of a j Brown he would.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: But I'd like to see like Hurts a little bit
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: more safe. He doesn't turn the boy ever a lot. Actually,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: when I say safe, I don't mean necessarily squeezing balls
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: into tight windows. That's not really what Hurts does. He's
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: never been that kind of a quarterback. I mean more
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: like just taking the check down, maybe getting to his
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: second and third read. I think like the days of
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: like the Manning and Brady and reading backside and full
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: field reeds are sort of gone. NFL offenses don't really
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: play like that anymore because the amount of mobility the
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks have got. Do I really want Jada and Hurts
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: sitting in the pocket and get into a full freed,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: probably not utter him just take off after his first
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: two aren't open, because he's that good of an athlete
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: that by that point you put yourself less in harm's
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: way Because I less liked taking sacks less likely you're
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: throwing the ball sort of out of time. So I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: think the biggest thing when it comes to decision making is
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: simply getting rid of the ball quickly, Like whatever he does,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: whether he runs, whether he throws it deep, I want,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I want it to be quick. And I think that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: where they struggled against the blitz as well. The Eagles
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: blitz like offense last year was genuinely like the worst
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I've ever seen in scouting or watching film in however
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: long I've done this job for. Like it was almost
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: like amateur at times.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: It was embarrassing to be frank. And I don't like.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Criticizing coaches because coaches no more than all of us,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: and that's why I got the jobs and while I
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: get paid.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: But it seems to just.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Be reliant on the Eagle's offense on like you're good,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: just got figure it out. And this year that won't
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: be the case, but it still won't be easy. Teams
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: are still going to blitz. Hurt's a hell of a lot.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: They're going to stop blitzing because Kelln.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Glad you said that. I'm absolutely glad you said that,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: because it's going to happen. It is going to happen.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: What has passed is prologue and I think we're going
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: to see that more this year.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I hate to break it to fans, but like,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: there's only so much you can do against the blitz,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: and it still relies on a quarterback doing things like
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: the Ken Will is not going to sund you walk
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: in and go, oh, that's it now, not.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Blitz ever again.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: It's like blitzing is a huge part of football, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: very good offensive coordinators can get caught out by it,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: and a lot of it's gonna come down to hurts.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of simulated pressure, creepy pressure, and for
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: those of you that aren't aware of that, more like
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: pressure when you maybe have potentially five rushing and only
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: four come and more one drops into coverage. The Eagles
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: haven't really seen much stuff like that because no one
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: needed to be complicated against the.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Eagles last year. They just sent the house every time.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So the Eagles will probably have to deal with some
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: more complex blitz this this year, like Hurts might not
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: just see seven guys standing in a line of scrimmage
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: and all seven guys rush. So I think the ability
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: to deal with the blitz, I think hurts and I
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: like Jaden Hurts a lot, And I think Eagles fans
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: defend Hurts maybe a lot, because the national media seems
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: to be quite critical of him, maybe overly critical in
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: my opinion at times.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And I think his.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Eagles fans, we're naturally quite defensive of our players, yes,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and I am as well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And I think maybe he's play against the blitz.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: He's just basically like everyone's got always all the coaches
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: for it's all the coaches.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: It's all the coaches fault.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And I think this will be the year when Hurts
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: actually has to prove that it's. Yes, the coaches had
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: a role to play, but he also is a professional
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: NFL quarterback and he will have to play well against
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the blitz. So decision making against the Blitz and just
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: decision making in general, in terms of getting rid of
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: the ball quicker, not holding it as long, and maybe
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: taking more checkdowns, more short throws, and not going for
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: the big shot as much. They're the things that I
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: want to see sort of more and hurts work on
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: One of the other aspects of this offense, Johnny, that
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I am getting a little bit more and more concerned with,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and maybe I shouldn't because of Jeff Stotlin type of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: coach he is and how he's able to develop offensive lineman.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It really is the right guard position, and then consequently
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: how Cam Jurgens is going to be developing as the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: new center on this offense. I mean, I'm just from
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, you know, what's your
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: concern level with the right guard? And I'm wondering why
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and given the fact that Tyler Steen he's been out
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: with an ankle injury, really to start training camp here,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Kai Becton may not be the most solid offensive lineman
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: in the world. Then again, maybe we need to trust
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Jeff Stoutlin and what he's been able to do over
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the years, his track record. It is what it is.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: But from a scale of one to ten, what's your
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: concern level with the right guard position here at this point?
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little bit worried like you, I might.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry you asked two questions.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: In some ways, I'm not worried about center, and maybe
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: this might come back to bite me. I'm it's weird
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: to say I'm excited because obviously no one wants Jason
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Kelce to retire, But I am so excited to see
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Cam Jurgens center. I think it's his natural precision position.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to be fantastic. I think he'll
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: fit the Eagles. I mean, assuming it's stat Stalton's run game. Still,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: I think he'll fit it like a glove. I hate
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: losing offensive lineman in general, like I just don't like
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: losing any of them. I still remember Isaac saym Ilu
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: leading and that annoying me. But you can't sign everyone
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: in half. The idea of having a great offensive line
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: coach is that you can't have the five most expensive
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: offensive line, and otherwise you might as well not bother
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: investing in these guys. And I'm unsure about Tyler Steen,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: like I'm not.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not fully convinced.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I think he's one of those like tackle hybrids that
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's long enough to play tackle, but
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he's stout enough. No pun intended
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: to play offensive guard as well, so.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I saw I'm a little bit unsure about all of them.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I think the Eagles will figure something out.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And I think basically, if you've got Dickerson, Johnson and
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: my Larta.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: I think you'll be perfectly fine.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I think the problem they will have is that I
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: think if Tyler Stein's next to Jergons and name Johnson
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: all year, he probably be fine. But if you do
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: get an injury to like Lane Johnson, and he has
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: been known to miss a few games, especially as he
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: gets older, then I think if you're playing like a
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Makai Becton at right tackle or whoever's next man up
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: next to next Esteine, That's when my concern levels will
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: go up a loss. So the moment, I'm okay, but
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I think injuries will change that. But I'm a little
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: bit fascinated by a few guys I've got on the line.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I think Trevor Keegan, the late round rookie, I think
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: has a lot of actually starting traits if they wanted
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: to try him. Beckton, I've got just no idea about.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Like he's justly freakish looking guy. I'm surprised they're giving
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: him right guard reps and I got that wrong. I
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: think I thought they just train him at tackle and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: basically leave him as an egal future backup tackle, and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping that they're not training him at right guard
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: out of necessity. I'm hoping that's something they wanted to
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: do because I think, if I'm honest, if Becton struggled
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: to play tackle, I don't see why teaching him two
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: positions is going to.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Help him develop.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm a little bit I'm a little annoy
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: about I'm say annoyed. I'm a little bit concerned about that.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I would I'd rather seen beckt and stay at tackle.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping that basically the plan was always to blame
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: at guard, and I know Brian Baldinger said that he
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: thinks he could be the equal starting guard, and I
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: trust Baudy on the offensive line a lot, So I'm
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: hoping that that's something they saw. Personally, he looks like
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: a tackle to me, just because of the way he
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: looks a.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just his bill.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: To me as a tackle build. So I'm a little concerned.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm also like, do you know what I think,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: as long as Ane Johnson and Cam Jurgens are there,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I think the right guard will be okay because you
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: can slide protection, you can double up on these guys
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: because Lane Johnson is basically left on the island every
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: single snap, and there's not many right tackles in the
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: league who you can just leave one on one. So
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I basically think that as long as you leave those
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: two guys Jurgins and whoever the right guard is to
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: double like a defensive lineman's best player, I think they'll
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: be okay. And as I said, I wouldn't discount Trevor
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Keegan eva I think he is someone that's quite pro ready.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: I'm up and down on Tyler Stein.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: So my concerns for the right now position in general
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: will probably quite high, But then my concern levels for
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: the offensive line unit as a whole are lower because
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: I think you can get away with a below average
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: piece if you've got a couple of studs on the
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: offensive line, because you can do things protection wise to
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: help out someone who's struggling.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Guess to answer you a question, i'd give it like
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I'm quite worried about Steen and I've not seen anything
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: that's convinced me that he'll be the right answer there.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: But I still think he was going to have a
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: very good offensive line this year because they've got three studs,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: and I think Jergins is going to be awesome, and
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, then I'll be more worried because two
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: problems next to each other is an issue.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: But I just maybe my I'm too obsessed with pre
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: season from like two years ago when Jergons just lit
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: it up, and I'm just incredibly excited because I think
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: he's such a good fit for this offense.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I mean, my concern level with Tyler Stein
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: at this point just the right guard position is really
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: probably around a seven. If I had to rate it
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: one out of ten, it would probably be around a seven.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: So we're certainly going to keep talking about it here
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: on this podcast platform. I know your podcast platform, you're
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to be talking about this as well. And real quick, folks,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: make sure you're following Johnny on the Twitter slash x
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: at Johnny page nine. He is a great, great follow
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: lots of great insights, lots of great tweets. And let's
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: move over to the defense here at this point here,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and I love how Quinnon, Mitchell and aj Brown have
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: just been so ultra competitive with each other throughout camp
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: so far. We've been hearing about the stories. I love
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: these type of stories, Johnny. They've both been trash talking
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: each other after plays, and ultimately they're upping each other's
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: game because it's not just about that competition on the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: field and during practice, but it's what's happening off the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: field as well. Again trying to just up each other's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: games in that competitive type of nature, but both wanting
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to mainly AJ Brown wanting to make sure that he's
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: helping Quinnon Mitchell in various ways. So I'm wondering, you know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: what is your hope for Quinnon Mitchell here? Will he
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: be able to you know, what will be able to
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: do throughout camp as a rookie, and how he's going
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to start the season on this Eagles defense. What are
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on him?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everyone who loves football just loves those
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: stories down they I was so hoping that that he
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: was account was going to release it as a video. Yeah,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: and they didn't, And it's probably because Aj Brown didn't
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: get open. If it was like against a opposing wide
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: receiver in training camp, they definitely would have tweeted the click. Yes,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: everyone knows that defensive backs and receivers have got to
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: be a little bit nuts. So I'm glad because Quen
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: your Mitchell comes across as very quite quiet actually in
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: some ways, like an interviews, he's pretty mild mannered, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: you sort of hope he has that streak to him.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: So I saw him stare or they heard he was
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: staring down A J. Brown gave a little fist bump
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: because that's what everyone wanted to hear. Yeah, I think
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: going against those guys in training is going to be
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: unbelievable development for him.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: I think in A J.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Brown and the Vonte Smith, you've probably got, except for
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: maybe a couple like a Wadell with them Turrey, you've
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: got probably the two hardest receivers to defend as terms
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: of a duo because AJ Brown is just physically freekykish,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: and then you've got the Vonte Smith who is just
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: unbelievably quick and athletic. And I think as a rookie
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: cornerback or as any quarterback, to have to go up
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: against those guys every day is going to be awesome.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: I think when your minje'lly will be fine. I'm a
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: little bit sort of uncertain how much will play this
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: year because I think despite being a very early pick,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to give other guys a go out.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: It seems like anyway, maybe Isaiah Rodgers and Killey Ringo
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: might be the first guys up. I think the thing
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: about this Eagle's defense, while I think everyone's got to
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: calm down a little bit about the gene and as
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: well Mitchell, this year is just that Fanjo's defense is
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: really hard to pick up. And as someone who's been
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: studying Fanjo's defense a lot this summer, actually just trying
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: to get my head around a few more things in depth,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: like the amount of stuff you've got to know, you've
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: got to know on the fly, like if a receive
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: emotions in a certain direction, if they come out in
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: a certain personnel package, if they come out in a
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: certain formation, if they receivers do something at the line
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage, even when they start running routes, if they
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: start running them a certain route, you have to do
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: something different. And I think it's so hard to get
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: your head around. And I think for a vet like Rodgers,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: who's probably I don't know Rogers background, but I'm sure
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: he's played in similar systems or at least been a
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: part of the Fangio tree once in his life.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: If he hasn't.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: He's older, and the language from different coaches will be similar.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Last year, obviously, Keidy Ringo played in a very similar style.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: It wasn't fanjo, but it's still come from the Fangio
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: style with Shawn Desire, Whereas I think Mitchell sorry, will
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: just have to be straight up like brand new to
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: him and as a rookie, I think cornerback is probably
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: the hardest position to play anyway, So I'd be quite
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: happy with him sitting for a little bit. I know,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: a bit controversial. I think everyone's gonna want to see
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: him weik one, and don't get me wrong, I would
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: love to see him outside week one. I've seen some
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: comments like we'll just push him into a nickel and
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I mean a Fonte Maddocks.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Is really good at healthy.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: The idea that a rookie's going to walk in and
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: just out just like immediately bench of Ononte Maddocks is
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: just going to be really difficult because if Maddox is
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: healthy again, he's played in this system for years, going
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: back to Jonathan Gann, and he knows how to play
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: nickel and a fango style defense. He knows the run
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: fits as well. So just expect when you're Mitchell to
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: line up in the slot and start day one. I
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: think it's going to be really tough. I would rather
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: see him outside. What I sort of hope is that
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Ringo and Rogers get their chance. Maybe Ringo plays well
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: and Rogers plays okay, but just naturally Mutual becomes better
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: over time, and by some maybe sort of week six
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: weeks seventy's starting outside. It could even be an injury.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: These things happen in football various. Slave's really hurt, but
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: players miss time as they get older. But I also
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: think if he doesn't start, you should still see him
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: in like maybe dying packages, maybe coming in for certain
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: receivers that you think will match up well with.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: So I think he'll be fine.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't maybe expect him to take the league by
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: storm this year because I think it's really hard being
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: a rookie cornerback. I think it's in particular it's even
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: more difficult being a rookie cornerback in Fangio's system, because
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: there is so much you need to learn. It's not
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: just like a Jim Schwartz style play single high man coverage.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: This is your man lineup, you cover him wherever he
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: goes around the field like In some ways that style
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: is harder for cornerbacks, but it's also easier. Fangio's style
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: is much more dependent on who you're playing and what
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: they're doing before the snap and after the snap. So
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I'm excited to watch him, but I think I would
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: sort of advise a little bit of caution from fans.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: You think he might just come in Week one, take
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the star job and run with it all season. I
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: think it'll probably be a season where he sits for
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: a bit and then hopefully by the second half of
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: the season we're really seeing him develop and actually playing
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: a lot more.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: One of the themes that we're really talking about during
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: this conversation, Johnny and I think one of the themes
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of this Eagle season, I think that we need to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: keep in the back of our minds is how young
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: this team is, the youth, how they are going to
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: be able to contribute, perhaps even down the stretch as well,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: how they're all developing. And it has been so good
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: to hear thus far that Nolan Smith appears to be
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: taking some steps on the defensive line as one of
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: these younger players, because that's what That's one of the
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: areas of this team that I have some real genuine
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: concerns about. And I know the talent is there. I
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: know that it's there, but there again, there are a
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: lot of young guys who need to carve out certain
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: roles here, and that's going to be a developing and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: fluid situation with this Eagles defense and specifically the defensive
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: line here. So what are your hopes for what Nolan Smith,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: in particular, the former first round pick, is going to
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: be able to show us through camp and perhaps this
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: coming season.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone that's not heard me before knows I'm a
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: little bit more negative on Loredan Smith.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: So he's an interesting one. I basically think though, of
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: the Smith is just.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: An unbelievably good athlete who's incredibly raw. Like I didn't
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: see particularly great pass russ technique last year. I didn't
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: see a lot of pass rushing moves. I didn't see
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: an ability of like we talk about with edge defenders,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: like a pass rush plan, like when you rush your
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: quarterback what you wan to do. But the other issue
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: is he didn't play, so he didn't really have a
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: chance to develop it. So it's sort of like a
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: double sword, like who was at fault? Was it the
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: coaches for not playing him, But then you could argue
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: he wasn't good enough to be played. I want to
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: see him basically start this year, and I want to
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: see a When I say start, I don't necessarily mean
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: playing every single snap, but at least be third up
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: in their rotation behind the sweat and Huff who obviously
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: paid very well. I want to see a genuine pass rusher,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: like I know Fanjo will drop him into coverage, and
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: one of the problems last year was he suck when
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: he dropped into coverage, and he needs to improve that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: But I don't really care about that, Like, I think
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: that's something you can work on and you can teach
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: and the athlete to drop back. At the end of the day,
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: when you ask for edge defender, defenders and the fango
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: style to drop back, you're asking them to run with
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: a tight end. You're asking them just to be a
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: body in coverage. Like the whole point of why they
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: need to drop is just because you want the offense
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: to not know who's coming, right. You don't need to
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: actually be great in coverage, Like you're not going to
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: ask him to sort of cover a slot receiver running
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: across the formation that like he just needs to basically
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: be an actor and just stand there and this.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Show he's going to rush.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: I think run defense, he's really solid, and he's been
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: really solid in run defense since college. I'm not worried
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: about his play against a run despite the fact he's undersized.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: It's purely his ability to rush the quarterback. I don't
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: want to see cleanup sacks like I could give you
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: a number, like personally, i'd like to see like six
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: plus like seven eight sacks would be nice. I think
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: it's anything more than that. It's unrealistic based on what
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: we've seen this year. I don't want to see like
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: one and I don't want to see like it being
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: a cleanup sack like I know last year he had
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: his humming who is against But I remember his first
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: sack and it was it was a lovely play, but
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: he was unblocked the end of the day. It was
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: a it was a miscommunication on the offensive line and
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: then without sending would like I don't care about that.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I want to see him actually beat a good offensive
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: tackle with like a rip mover like at I want
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: to see him bend the edge against a proper offensive tackle,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: and even if he doesn't get the sack, I just
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  Speaker 3: want to see.
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  Speaker 4: The ability to rush the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's easy to put numbers on these things, but
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  Speaker 3: because I'm like Brandon Graham, who's barely I think hit
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  Speaker 3: ten tacks once and there's always been a always been
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  Speaker 3: a disruptive pass rusher going back from out the last
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  Speaker 3: ten years basically, So I want to just see the
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  Speaker 3: ability to win by bending the edge and by getting pressure,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to see like proper pass rush moves.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to see him winning by speed. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to see him winning because the offensive linemen
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  Speaker 3: are confused. As much as I'd love that from the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Eagles point of view, because it shows that their scheme
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  Speaker 3: is confusing a sort of offensive coordinators. I want to
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  Speaker 3: see him actually show the ability to rush the quarterback
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  Speaker 3: because I didn't see it in college, and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: see it last year. But coming out of camp some
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: of the signs are quite positive, even though he's been
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  Speaker 3: beating bad offensive lineman in camp. Some of the beat reports,
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  Speaker 3: I mean. I spoke to bog On on my podcast
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  Speaker 3: yesterday and bog was saying that he also has been
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  Speaker 3: or he was more impressed by him showing the actual
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  Speaker 3: ability to rush the quarterback, in particular the ability to.
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  Speaker 4: Bend the edge.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm excited to watch him, Like he's a ridiculously
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  Speaker 3: good athlete and the talent and the ability, the upside
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  Speaker 3: is sky high. I just think he's very raw, and
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  Speaker 3: I think hopefully second year of training camp, second year
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  Speaker 3: working with coaches, they can get him to develop a
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  Speaker 3: better pass rush plan, because if so, I think he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a fan favorite because he talks a
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  Speaker 3: great game, his nature is sort of enthusiastic on the field,
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  Speaker 3: like he's got a great personality on the field, and
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  Speaker 3: everyone wants him to succeed. I just want to see
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  Speaker 3: proof this year that he can actually do it well.
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  Speaker 1: As we wrap up our conversation here, last topic, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest questions all of us diehard Eagles
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  Speaker 1: fans will be following through our training camp here as
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  Speaker 1: this linebacker position. Of course, everybody's talking about, you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: what the heck is going to happen here? What's this
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: talent level going to do? You know, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm longing for the days of TJ. Edwards when he had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some consistency at this position wasn't all the
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  Speaker 1: greatest in coverage necessarily, but we still have to get
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: to know Devin Waite, Zach Bond, Kobe Dean, Jeremiah Trade Junior.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here for it. I want to get to know
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  Speaker 1: these guys a little bit more and the talent that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio is going to be able to get out
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  Speaker 1: of them on the field. We don't know what this
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  Speaker 1: linebacker group is going to do. We don't know them
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  Speaker 1: very well right now and how they're going to perform
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  Speaker 1: in key situations. Johnny, So what should we be making
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  Speaker 1: of this linebacker corps and this position as we're looking
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  Speaker 1: at this crew throughout camp.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably the most sort of difficult position I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: think for the Eagle's defense to predict because they've got
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of talent in the secondary, a lot of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: talent and the defensive line. I mean, we know that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: how he doesn't value it. I know they can say
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: what they want as a franchise, but they don't. There's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: an organization and you can't value every position the same.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: So for those in the moment about it, you can
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: also say, well, you can't invest in every single position,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: So any defensive coordinator who's gonna have to deal with
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: a essentially a mismatch of a sort of players that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: aren't wanted or one year deals and always been the case.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned t J. Edwards.
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  Speaker 3: I will always remember I was furious they didn't sign
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: him back because that was, to me, the stability at the.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: Position that they needed before that.
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  Speaker 3: And you have to go back to like Jordan Hicks
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: before they've had like stable linebackers.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sort of absurd.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: So in terms of the linebackers they've currently got, I'm
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: a little bit all over the place on them. And
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I want to like the Kobe Dean, but he doesn't
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: give me any reasons to like him at the moment.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: And the reports that I think injuries are just injuries
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: are a killer for young players. They just they lose
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: reps that they need, They lose mental reps. I've not
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: seen the ability from the Kobe Dean to really show
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: he can be good in coverage at this point. I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: still think he's a pass rushing specialist at linebacker, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: the reports that he's not starting at the first seam
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: and Zach Bourne starting ahead of him is incredibly concerning.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: If you're in a kbed Dean fan, because I watched
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: that ball a little bit this offseason. Perfectly fine player,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: like he's okay. I've said this in the past. He's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: a pass rusher, going back to college when he was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: an edge defender, did twelve and a half sacks at
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Wisconsin his last year. I mean, he was an edge
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: coming out of college and the Saints stuck him at
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: off ball linebacker. I'm not sure how pleased he was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: about that. And now the Eagles are potentially having him
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: as one of their two starters. That concerns me, like
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I would be concerned about.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: Zach Baul Devin White.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: I got no idea, Like I go back and forth.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: A ridiculous athlete, the best athlete the Eagles have had
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: a lineback up for. I dn'tven know when for years,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: like going back years and years and years he had
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: games against the fotyen nineerscause I watched him quite a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: lot before when they signed him for a film piece
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: with Bidding Green. And his ability in coverage is way
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: better than people think. I think people have this reputation
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: of him being like a bit of like a hot head,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: like running around hitting people, but being full by play
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: action and that kind of stuff, and it's partly true,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: but actually his coverage is really good. Fan is gonna
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: love him in coverage. I guarantee you Eagles fans are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: going to be happy with what they see with him
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: nice in dropping into his own coverage run defense. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: got no idea, Like he had games against the Jags
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: that I watched where I was like, this guy's really good.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: And then if you got to watching against the forty
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: nine ers, like you'd think he'd never played football before.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: And I hate being that critical, but honestly, like Shanahan
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: had his head on fire, like he was spinning.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: He couldn't.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Every single fact fake that Shanahan did, he fell for it,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Like if it was a wide receiver like sort of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: fake reverse, he'd he'd run with the wide receiver, then
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: they'd actually give it to the wide receiver and he'd
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: run with the running back. And it was just like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: everything he did he gets wrong, like he gambled wrong
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: every single time. And I'm hoping that Fangio plays a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a less aggressive star with linebacker,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: So I think that maybe Fangio will tell him just
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: to calm down and not trust your instincts too much
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: because unfortunately for why, his instincts are invariably wrong and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: maybe just like read it out And I think if
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: he does that, he could be perfectly fine because his
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: coverage is good. So I think they might just about
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: as they often do, get away with linebacker this year.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: The unknown guy that I really like is Trotter.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe he fell as far as he did,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: and I think that's because of his basically size. I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: think some teams would have just not had him on
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: their draft balls because of his size. But I think
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: if you've got instincts at linebacker and you can tackle,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: you know where to be, then you can play in
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: this league.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: And I actually he compared him to t J. Edwards
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  Speaker 4: a little bit as well.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: I think he might have that kind of career arc.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: So I'm not very excited about Born and sadly in
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: the Kobe die and just it doesn't seem great, is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: it when you read the reports that he's not starting still,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: So I think it might come down to Devin White
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: and Trotter this year. And uh yeah, I think Fanjo
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: is gonna have to get make do with this for
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: as long as he's Eagles DC. I don't think he's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: ever going to get the high paid star linebackers. That's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: just not how this franchise does it. So I think
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: it'll be a really interesting test to see how Fangio
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: deals with it in general, because if he can, if
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: he can make do with like White and Trotter, then
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: that's a really good sign because realistically the Eagle are
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: going to have to make do with one year deals
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: at linebacker because that is how I mean, if White
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: has a fantastic year, for example, how he's probably not
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: going to pay him four years whatever, sixty whatever million
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: he wants whatever. So I think even if he's brilliant,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: they probably going to go back to the drawing board
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: next year anyway. So I think I'm excited to see
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: the linebackers because I think there is a little bit
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: more potential and then there has been in recent years.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: I think someone like Devin White is just simply more
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: and see them what they put out last year. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: I haven't got to see Shaq Lenard again, which is
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: great because that was painful.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: Bless him. That was that was watching a man.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Who couldn't he couldn't move anymore play football so I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: think the Eagles have got like enough to get by,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: And maybe that's not what you want to hear, but
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: you can't be good everywhere. And if the defensive line
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: is brilliant and the secondary can do really good things
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: on the fanzio, then actually having linebackers that are just
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: good enough is okay. I'll finish up with a random
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: name as well, and that Ben Van Sumer and if
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I pronounce something, oh yeah, yeah. I think he's a
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: bit of a weird talent to watch out for, like
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: really good athlete and showed some decent film last year.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: So I've not read anything about him this year, and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: he will definitely be someone that will take time to develop,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: but just keep it eye for him. I think things
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: go badly with Dean and Zach Bourn doesn't end up
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: actually being an offball linebacker after all. Just keep it
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Alie on him potentially having a role this year as well.
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