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Real Housewife Arrested and Lesbian Affairs with Kate Casey · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: I have one of your favorites, you know her, you
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  Speaker 3: love her, Kate Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. Love to be here. So
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  Speaker 4: happy to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. We always have such a good time. We
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  Speaker 3: always have so much to talk about. And we're going
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  Speaker 3: to get right into it because it was a big
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  Speaker 3: weekend for Real Housewives of prisoners. There was another horrible
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  Speaker 3: arrest as far as I think there's going to be
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  Speaker 3: some real time done. This is Real Housewives of Potomac.
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  Speaker 3: One of their most highly educated housewives that we've ever had, Dr. Wendy,
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  Speaker 3: would often say, I have four degrees. She was a
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  Speaker 3: professor at Johns Hopkins. Her husband was a lawyer. So
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  Speaker 3: Wendy and her husband claimed that they came back from
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  Speaker 3: a vacation with their kids in Jamaica to find that
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  Speaker 3: their house had been broken into, but only things were stolen.
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  Speaker 3: Someone came through a bathroom window and got into her
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  Speaker 3: closet and stole jewelry and handbags and items like that.
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  Speaker 3: And then they reported it to the police and their
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  Speaker 3: insurance and went along their way. Then, What they were
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  Speaker 3: arrested for with numerous felonies is insurance fraud and filing
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  Speaker 3: a fake police report. They believe that there was no robbery,
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  Speaker 3: that the crime scene was suspicious. It was like a
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  Speaker 3: screen that was open from the inside or something. And
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  Speaker 3: that in doing the insurance fraud, there was emails going
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  Speaker 3: back and forth between the lawyer husband and the four
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  Speaker 3: degree Wendy. who, by the way, did leave teaching at
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  Speaker 3: John Hopkins to try to sell candles and have her
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  Speaker 3: own talk show, Wendy. Anyway, that saying, what else can
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  Speaker 3: we put on it to get to the maximum $ 423, 000
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  Speaker 3: insurance claim? Busted. They found that there were items that
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  Speaker 3: were on the insurance claim that had already been bought
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  Speaker 3: and returned before the alleged robbery. And then one of
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  Speaker 3: her wedding bands that was on the claim, she proceeded
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  Speaker 3: to wear in posted photos on social media.
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  Speaker 4: That's insane. You know what my first reaction to the
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  Speaker 4: story was? What a fun job to be the investigator
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  Speaker 4: for the insurance company.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when you start to suspect, like you show
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  Speaker 4: up to the crime scene and you're like, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: kind of buying this. And you have to play the
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  Speaker 4: long game.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And do all the research and ask questions and not
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  Speaker 4: let them know that you're onto them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't go right off the bat. I think
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  Speaker 3: you're lying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you have to go, exactly, get
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  Speaker 3: them to continue so the case gets stronger and stronger
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  Speaker 3: and stronger. And as it gets stronger and stronger, they're
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  Speaker 3: getting felony after felony after felony after felony. And, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it looks like.
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  Speaker 4: 16 against her, 18 against him. Okay, so do you
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  Speaker 4: think this is a case of, a housewife that has
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  Speaker 4: been living a smoke and mirrors lifestyle situation feels the
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  Speaker 4: pressure of maintaining this, this persona, this brand, this lifestyle
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  Speaker 4: to be a real housewife? Or do you think it's
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  Speaker 4: her husband having difficulty getting investment because he's got a
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  Speaker 4: cannabis business, which is like, it's hard to get loans
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  Speaker 4: for that kind of business. So do you think it's
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  Speaker 4: more because of his business or lack of business or
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  Speaker 4: it's because of the demands of what the show does
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  Speaker 4: to her brand, her persona?
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  Speaker 3: Sadly, no. I think this is her personality. I think
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  Speaker 3: she's a scammer. I think If they were never on
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  Speaker 3: the show, they would have probably pulled this crime. I
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  Speaker 3: never saw her as a liar or a scammer or
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  Speaker 3: anything like that. She was not one of those people. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like Jen Shah's persona before she was. I remember.
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  Speaker 3: I just did not like Jen Shah. I just thought
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  Speaker 3: before we ever knew what she did for a living,
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  Speaker 3: she's also doing time for stealing from elderly in a
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  Speaker 3: long scam. And for Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,
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  Speaker 3: in case you guys are like trying to remember all
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  Speaker 3: the criminals. I just thought she thought a little highly
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  Speaker 3: of herself, but I really thought she was an accomplished person.
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  Speaker 3: But she's obviously not smart if she thought she'd get
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  Speaker 3: away with this crime.
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  Speaker 4: Well, clearly. But there are people that now point out
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  Speaker 4: that the story that Wendy told about either this crisis
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  Speaker 4: of vacillating between academia and a career in journalism or
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  Speaker 4: on TV was not accurate.
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  Speaker 3: What are they thinking it is?
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  Speaker 4: That she may not have received tenure or been offered tenure.
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  Speaker 4: So she really didn't have any opportunity to kind of
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  Speaker 4: move up in academia. So she made up this story.
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  Speaker 4: Because when she would go on TV to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: give commentary, that's not a paid position. It didn't really
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  Speaker 4: go anywhere. I think she always wanted to be on TV.
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  Speaker 4: Just be honest.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I just think it's the same when you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Emily not being an attorney and like all
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  Speaker 3: these things just because you have it. Like being, once
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  Speaker 3: you get a taste of this fame in the TV
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, You're like, well, this is a lot more fun.
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  Speaker 3: I've gotten some plastic surgery. I feel more confident in
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  Speaker 3: my body. My kids are getting older. Like I could
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  Speaker 3: do this other stuff, which is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot less work than actually teaching full on college classes,
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  Speaker 3: grading papers, having to be accountable. Yeah. So I never
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  Speaker 3: thought the fact that she left that I that didn't
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  Speaker 3: make me.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, I don't blame you. Do you really want
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  Speaker 4: to work that hard? Do you want to have all
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  Speaker 4: the syllabus and students and be held accountable?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am actually shocked because I did think that
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  Speaker 3: they were like so on the up and up that
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  Speaker 3: they were so both like highly educated and stuff that
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  Speaker 3: I was sort of I was surprised to see this.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I wonder, you know, the insurance scam thing, I
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  Speaker 3: just wonder how many people do it. I wonder if
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  Speaker 3: it's harder in certain states. Like I wonder if certain
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  Speaker 3: states are more excited to crack down on it versus
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  Speaker 3: like California. Is there a statue of limitations on this? Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, could something from four years ago in L.A.
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  Speaker 3: or Encino come up? And then they're like, hmm, we
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  Speaker 3: just were waiting this long to, I don't know. But that,
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  Speaker 3: who knows?
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  Speaker 4: So it makes, the only thing though, I watched the
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  Speaker 4: premiere episode and I sort of winced when she was
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  Speaker 4: talking about her husband's business and she was like, make
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  Speaker 4: him money.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, Potomac has already started to air? Mm-hmm. How many episodes?
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  Speaker 3: That's like two. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think they were waiting on that?
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  Speaker 4: You know, there are conspiracy theorists who do believe there
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  Speaker 4: is some connection. I feel like that would be too
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  Speaker 4: much work.
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  Speaker 3: I think that sometimes producers do have a heads up about...
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  Speaker 3: I saw something, too, that they were like, again, there's
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  Speaker 3: a theory that the producers and stuff did know about
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  Speaker 3: the FBI that day with Jen Shaw.
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  Speaker 4: Jen Shaw, they were tipped off, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I just interviewed the... executive producer of Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City and asked her about that moment. But
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  Speaker 4: in her retelling it, it seemed like there are too
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  Speaker 4: many moving parts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Getting back to this, she was one of the four
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  Speaker 3: housewives among the franchises who were going to do Real
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  Speaker 3: Housewives swap.
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  Speaker 4: And they pulled it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they pulled her episode. And that's why the premiere
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  Speaker 3: is a couple of weeks later.
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  Speaker 4: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: So she's not even going to be on it at all.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: How bummed if you were the normal family that got
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  Speaker 3: to swap with her.
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  Speaker 4: That's the first thing I thought. That's the first thing
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  Speaker 4: I thought. That person is like, okay, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: be able to tell all my friends from high school
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be on TV.
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  Speaker 3: So I saw that she did a podcast Zoom interview.
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  Speaker 3: And I apologized to the guy that I don't have
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  Speaker 3: his name.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: She did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she did. She did Gibson's show.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Gibson.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so he's asking, you know, because it was out
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  Speaker 3: in the news that she had been robbed. And she
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  Speaker 3: is sitting there talking to him, straight up lying and
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  Speaker 3: talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: But did you see she looked at the floor?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was some, there was definitely some, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you study lying body language, whatever. Here comes the
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  Speaker 3: OC acting lying to her. lie detector. But she, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he was being nice saying like, oh my God. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she went on like everybody, the violation, even
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  Speaker 3: though we weren't there and we came back. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's been no robberies on my street. So I think
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  Speaker 3: it was targeted. Like, she was adding extra lies.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that actually would have been a piece of the
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  Speaker 4: nail in the coffin.
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  Speaker 3: Like, first of all, like, yeah, if I was lying
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  Speaker 3: about this thing.
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  Speaker 4: He deserves a journalism award for that.
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  Speaker 3: But also, if I was lying about that, I would
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  Speaker 3: be like, hey, you know, you don't know for these things.
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  Speaker 3: You can say, hey, don't ask me about my divorce
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  Speaker 3: or don't ask me about my son in rehab. She
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  Speaker 3: could have said, There's an ongoing investigation with my robbery,
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  Speaker 3: so just don't ask me about that. And she could
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  Speaker 3: have said that before. But no, she got into it
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  Speaker 3: and played into the sympathy.
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  Speaker 4: She did.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just amazing. Ballsy. Yeah. Okay, and I could
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  Speaker 3: be wrong, okay? But allegedly wasn't one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that was a problem with Teresa was.
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  Speaker 3: That, you know, once they were going through, before she
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  Speaker 3: was sentenced to prison, she was not going to have
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  Speaker 3: to go to prison. They did a bankruptcy thing. And
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  Speaker 3: she had to say, here's all my possessions or list
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  Speaker 3: them or something.
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  Speaker 4: I think you do have to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And then somehow she was caught.
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  Speaker 4: Lying?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not sharing everything she was supposed to about that.
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  Speaker 3: And if I'm wrong, it's alleged whatever. Something about that,
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  Speaker 3: like she wasn't going to do prison until she again
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  Speaker 3: screwed up on some other thing about her possessions. And
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  Speaker 3: it's like with these possessions, like what are you thinking?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think you also have to really have good,
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  Speaker 4: really good legal counsel that goes through it with a
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  Speaker 4: fine tooth comb.
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  Speaker 3: Or just the audacity of just thinking that you're so
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  Speaker 3: smart that you're going to get out of this.
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  Speaker 4: Those are the same people who are agreed to do
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  Speaker 4: a reality show. You have to be diabolical, delusional and
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  Speaker 4: ballsy to do it. You know, right. Normal people would go,
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  Speaker 4: my boss might think it's a little bit weird or
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how I want my kids to think
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  Speaker 4: about this years from now. But you have to be
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  Speaker 4: missing that chip that that that impulse that will tell
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  Speaker 4: you like, this may not end well for me. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they have it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like the opposite of like the insurance thing.
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  Speaker 3: Like I had a ring recently that I talked about
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  Speaker 3: that was in this jewelry box. I switched it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I think it was, it was
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  Speaker 3: thrown out. I'm pretty convinced it was thrown out. I've
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  Speaker 3: had that happen to me with jewelry. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: is like the opposite. Like she was like, Oh, no,
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  Speaker 3: I have it all. And I'm going to say that
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  Speaker 3: it was stolen. Yeah. Not even like I lost it
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  Speaker 3: or it like fell down the drain. Like she could
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  Speaker 3: have said, oh, my God, my ring fell down the
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  Speaker 3: drain and it's worth $ 10, 000. And now I need the $ 10, 000.
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  Speaker 3: And then somehow, I don't know, hit it away. But what?
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  Speaker 3: I guess when those things get caught, they also find
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  Speaker 3: those things like at a pawn shop too. Sometimes. So
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  Speaker 3: you can't say it fell down the drain and then
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  Speaker 3: say that, I mean, it's just.
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  Speaker 4: What about the fact that there was a whole scene,
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  Speaker 4: like it had been ransacked with like a mattress flipped
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  Speaker 4: over and.
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  Speaker 3: In her house you mean?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like who was the one who did that?
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  Speaker 3: That they planned that's all out. And I was just thinking,
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  Speaker 3: and on top of it, they're Catholic. Remember they had
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  Speaker 3: the boys first Holy Communion?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was a whole scene.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And her mom, like, what are the parents going to say?
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  Speaker 4: Like, and then in there, her mom's freaking out because
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  Speaker 4: her mom was freaking out that she wasn't going to
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  Speaker 4: be in academia. And also Eddie is a lawyer.
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  Speaker 3: And they're going to get disbarred. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: their mugshots, like she's, I know it's such a weird thing.
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  Speaker 4: They were smiling. I think they were.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to feature their mugshots, but they're smiling.
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  Speaker 3: You can look them up.
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  Speaker 4: I think they were high.
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  Speaker 3: So he is not a lawyer anymore. He has a
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  Speaker 3: cannabis business.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But he still, you know, went to law school. So
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  Speaker 4: you would think, I.
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  Speaker 3: Wonder if they'll represent themselves. It's surprising that he would
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  Speaker 3: send that in an email.
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  Speaker 4: Like what lawyer would, huh? There's so many moving parts
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  Speaker 4: of the story.
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  Speaker 3: Like you're emailing your wife. Like, why wouldn't you say
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  Speaker 3: that at night? Like, wait, where are we on this thing?
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  Speaker 3: Can we throw like 10 more bags on there?
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  Speaker 4: Or if you're committing a crime, like. In the dark
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  Speaker 4: with a flashlight under your chin. Like, you're going to, boop, like, email?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and then, so they're not currently filming the show, right?
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  Speaker 3: Or are they?
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  Speaker 4: No, I know they picked up cameras. And wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 4: I would call headquarters and go.
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  Speaker 3: That should be a shirt. They picked up cameras. Go now.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy scoop. I'm going to make that a shirt. I
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  Speaker 3: heard they just picked up cameras.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I definitely think they're both going to
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  Speaker 3: do time, which is really sad because, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: have the kids. So they're probably going to try to
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  Speaker 3: have to do something like the Jiu Jitsu where it's like.
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  Speaker 4: Here's what they need to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Just cop to it.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a little too late. Just cop to just.
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  Speaker 4: Go, you know, Eddie has this business. We really were
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  Speaker 4: facing some massive debt. It's been a lot more stressful. Like,
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  Speaker 4: pull a Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City. It was like,
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  Speaker 4: we made a big mistake. Now we're suffering, but we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get back up. Just cop to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you have to cop to it.
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  Speaker 4: You're on a reality show. That's your career for the
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  Speaker 4: rest of your life.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, this is what they should do.
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  Speaker 4: Lean into it.
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  Speaker 3: She should say that's what it is. That she got
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  Speaker 3: sucked into this fake world of being rich. And she felt,
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  Speaker 3: and then they were in debt because they really don't
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  Speaker 3: get paid that much from Bravo. And it was wrong
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  Speaker 3: for her to also include a ring that is so
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  Speaker 3: close to her heart because it is her wedding band. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they still love each other. They're still a family.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want to be taken away from their kids,
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  Speaker 3: from each other. Talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I still wore the ring.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what about returning things right before and claiming that
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  Speaker 3: they were stolen? Well, again, I needed the money.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: To keep up the image of being a real housewife.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing about it is I would talk about.
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  Speaker 4: The pressure of your husband trying to build a business.
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  Speaker 4: And I would say lean into it's really hard to
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  Speaker 4: grow a cannabis business. I think it's really hard for them,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, to get loans.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but that's not like a sympathy thing.
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  Speaker 4: No, but you could say the reality of your partner
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  Speaker 4: leaving the law practice to start a business and I'm
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  Speaker 4: on TV and raising kids.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only thing you could do to possibly get
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: people to understand. Okay, if you're their defense attorney, I'm
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: trying to get their business too. I'm going to say
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: let's not talk about the cannabis business. I don't think
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: that's going to win over a jury. But I also
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: would say you really weren't surrounded by like that wealthy
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: of people. Your castmate's already in prison for a DUI
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: for her fourth, which is Karen Huger. Giselle is that
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: house that was made by Legos is not a fancy house.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think the Osefos live. I think they live
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: pretty far. far away from Baltimore.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm saying it's not like she can really do
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the excuse of I had to keep up with the
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Joneses of my cast because that cast is not a
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: wealthy cast. Well, I don't think it's about that.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: It's about being on television.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: That's what we have to do. Go with the television.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Go with the television.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I think she says, I started to believe that if
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't increase my lifestyle, that it wouldn't provide me
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: additional opportunities in reality TV, to be on Traders, to
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: be on this spinoff show, shows I wanted to pitch.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: I felt like if I didn't have a bigger and
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: more abundant lifestyle that I would be overlooked for opportunities.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: This guy said that he, I guess his name is
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Rob Smith, I think, but his He is a also
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: commentator of things.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: But I think he's more on the conservative side.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, I watched that one.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: So he might not like her because of.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Her liberal views. I think that was a dig. Because
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: they had been together on TV.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: But he had said that she was very rude and
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: full of herself and blah, blah, blah, blah. But you're
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: also going bat to bat. But that's just kind of interesting.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I think they had been on several different shows before.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: He didn't appreciate her when they were talking heads together.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens with that. And to the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: person that's wife swapped with her.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: You know what? I got to be honest. More people
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: are going to watch Real Housewives of Potomac this season.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Because they're going to be looking through each episode like
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the Zapruder film to see if there are other inaccuracies.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is no way that the people at
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Bravo are never not happy. Providing that someone is not
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: dead when someone gets arrested.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Like provided that no physical harm has happened to anybody,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: they've got to be thrilled every single time.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be watching all season.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Like I just think they get the news and they go, wow.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And then they shut the door and like.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Do a dance. And they're like, yes.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. Yes.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: It's like you and me when we call each other like, oh,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: my God, what is going on?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. But it's, yeah, the audacity of the
• 19:29
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• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks. And yet somehow have found a
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths. Life is
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: one long lesson of chaos.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: filed against me. When your free will was about to
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: be taken from you, what would you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Do if it was given back? Where did that need
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: come from where you thought that you had to succeed
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: in order.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: To feel loved?
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: I need a home dad.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: happens next.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: every day was. You're worth the work.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, now we're going to talk about one of the
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: greatest reunions that are happening right now is Real Housewives
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: of Miami.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: No, you don't have to watch all season. No, you
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: may not even have to watch the reunion. But you're
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: going to enjoy this conversation because it's crazy.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: And let me say, I love this show so much.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I've interviewed the executive producer. I always tell him it's
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: my favorite of all the franchises. I love that show
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: more than any other Real Housewives. I think they are
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: all so funny, truly colorful.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: It's like they all, so, you know, multicultural, from different countries,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: speak multiple languages.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: They're all family of immigrants, by the way.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: All of them.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: All gorgeous outfits. I like their looks. All of it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: All authentically, unapologetically, authentically themselves.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: So here we go. Adriana says that she brought Julia,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: who's married to Martina, onto the show. Nobody would have
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: found you with your goats in that place, Julia. Nobody.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And I brought you here to be on this show.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I did it for you. And Julia, who's Russian. says,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and I may not have her accent down, says, what
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: you don't know, Andy, which could be some clarity on
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: why Adriana and I are no longer close, is back
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: in the Hamptons, we slept together. They slept together. And
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: that was like four years ago. And she claims... that
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Adriana held it over her like a carrot or held
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: it over her head.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Dangled it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Dangled it. Weaponized it. I'm going to tell it. I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: going to ruin it. I'm going to ruin your marriage.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: And Martina is this famous tennis player. They've been together
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: a while, married, now adopted these two boys just recently
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: who are like three and one that are brothers. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: she tells it. So we knew that last week. Then
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: this week, Adriana comes back and she goes, you're a
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: married woman. What does it matter what I did with you?
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: You are a cheater. You slept with a Haitian mortician.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: And they're like, what? And you had to give him
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a coffee machine as a thank you gift. What? He
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: brought the champagne and you banged him. You got the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: hotel room. You told me about it. And then you
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: and your Haitian mortician. And they're like, what? Was this like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: what kind of coffee machine? And he's like, wait, did
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: it have a cream foamer? Like, what are we talking about?
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: And she's like, so then they leave. And he's like, what?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: who was the Haitian mortician? And people were like, in
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: the comments, was the Haitian mortician a woman or a man? Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And she's like, a fair hardly. Meaning, yeah, I fucked
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: this guy. I fucked this guy.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like probably one time.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one time I had a free coffee machine and
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: But I don't think anybody cared.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: And you slept with a cop. No one cared because
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: they're like, that tracks.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a shock. But also, it's also, to me,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: so humiliating to Martina.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Let's think about Martina before she entered our world as
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the most unhappy, humorless spouse of any housewife in the
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: history of the housewives. like, you're just like, why are
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you agreeing when you had this, like, you know, really
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: great reputation as this incredible tennis player your whole life.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And now you and this wife who needs to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: on TV, not only did you, I just thought I
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: have to keep this sexy wife happy so she can
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: be on the housewives.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Fine.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: She used to be a model. She wants to be
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: in front of TV.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Fine.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: With this, I'm like, It's so embarrassing because even if
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: you did have an open marriage, it's just gross that
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: you're like sleeping with some cop possibly and a mortician
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: at hotel rooms. And then they went back. And do
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: you remember when Larsa was like, I saw you making
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: out with a black guy or something? And she's like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I kiss lots of people. What does it matter? So
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: she's a serial cheater or they're open. She's an imp.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: She's an imp. She's whatever.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think it really affects Martina because how many
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: people in her tennis world are keeping up with every
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: episode of Real Housewives of Miami?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: The rumors are that she is, but I don't know
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: that it's true, that she's very unhappy and that there
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: was a time she was looking at a divorce attorney.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Now you have two new kids.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Also, Julia says that in the show. She's like, we're
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: going through a hard time. I thought she was pretty transparent.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Our relationship's really difficult all the time.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And you know, when you're having a really hard time
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: in your marriage, the best thing that you can do
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: is adopt two children. I know, I know. And put
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: them on reality TV.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: I know, I know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: That's always, every marriage counselor will tell you.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: That if there is cheating on a reality show between
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: you and your spouse- This will definitely bring you guys together.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And especially if your spouse has never been a mother
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and is 68 years old. There's nothing that that woman
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: would rather do than chase after a one-and-a-half-year-old and three-year-old.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: That is really going to help make them close.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I actually thought the big secret may have been that
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Adriana was going to say, I know the real reason
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: her daughters are not speaking to her about the kids.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: And I thought, now that would be much more painful.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Which is what? They don't want to share an inheritance.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is, because I was like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: that's what we want to know. But the cheating, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: was kind of like, so what day is it of
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the week? Like, okay, that's not that surprising.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, the daughters are going to come around, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, probably the daughters are just like, mom, you've
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: had like a— One.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Daughter was like, you don't even know the name of
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the school I went to.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't know what school her daughter went to,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: never visited, whatever. She had, you know, many men and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: husbands and whatever it was before she met Martina. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: then Adriana says, wait, I just want to get. OK,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: so we'll go through this. Here we see them in
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: their colorful outfits, hearing about it, hearing about everything. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: so then she says she keeps saying everything to Andy
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: of what's going on.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: They all just did look so beautiful. And then, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: this was my favorite part is that Adriana.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. You need to talk to her about comedy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: You need about comedy.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: She's like, she's always like three beats behind and she
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: has props.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I can relate to this wardrobe situation where
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: she put her dress on and was like, I want
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to get my favorite corset underneath to snatch my waist
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: while I sit on this couch. However, it's not low enough.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: But no one's going to see it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Except when you keep getting up and standing and pointing
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and everything. So you have the mic and all this stuff.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: And that's when she walks over and she goes, she says, Julia, Julia,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: whatever your name is. She changed her name, Andy, from
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Julia to Julia, from Julia to Julia.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: But Andy's like, what?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And she goes, here you go.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: You?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Took my heart. So now you can have it in
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: a box. And they're like, what the fuck is this?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: What in the Jeffrey Dahmer is this like fake crafty
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: heart that's in a wooden box? And I'm like, okay,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: well then maybe now I'm thinking you guys were full
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: on lovers. Like now I do think you're in love
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: with her because then she also goes back to this
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: night that they're in the Miami rain and she's like, Julia,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you taught me what love is. It's genderless. It's this.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: It's that. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't make
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: sense that you were so weird and so hurt. You're
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: supposed to be my best friend. When I'm like, Alexia
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and the other girl that she's mad that Julia's hanging
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: out with, Maricel, to me, they've never done anything bad
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: to Adriana. It's like Adriana's fighting a bunch of people
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: that are like, I'm not even mad at you. Who cares?
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: There was no big thing.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: And anyway, I found her very entertaining.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: My favorite part was when Andy is standing with Alexia, Julia,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: like backstage after they take a break.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: And they're all trying to ask Julia, like, well, what
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: all did you do with her?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Sexually.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Sexually.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: It was the best.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Like, break it down. And Kiki, who is so absolutely hilarious,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: walks in and is like, I'll tell you, I watch
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of the porn.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: There's so many funny moments.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: There's so many funny moments.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Especially when you juxtaposition that with, like, OC, which is
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: unbearably not funny.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And then Larsa and Stephanie are talking about that. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: they're like, well, we can't top the... The Haitian mortician.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Can't do it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: She's just like, what are we going to do about that? Like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They're just like laughing. And it does,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it shows what I do love about Stephanie, who's the
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: new girl, is she's like, I'm good with everybody. I
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: truly like love all these women. I didn't have a
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: lot of friendships before. I know, I like that part.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like she made new friends. Yeah. And she's like, yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Alexia and I, we all like each other. So- You know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: we still have one more episode to do things. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: feel like, you know, Larsa and Lisa, they're going to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: be fine. Everyone's going to be fine. But where do
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: you go when there was a lesbian rendezvous among cast
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: members that aren't happy, are still mad at each other?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: They'll show up to film me.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: They will. I mean, I think you got to keep
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: them all, right? Of course. We don't want anyone to go.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to go.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: But then, okay, so someone put this in my group anonymously.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: When Adriana said, Andy, there is a spy among us.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I did not realize this is her beauty photo. This
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: is when Julia, I'm guessing this is not a doctored photo.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Because this was an anonymous thing.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: First of all, among is spelled wrong. I know. I'm
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: taking it back on that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: But she was Miss.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: USSR?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: So she's saying that she's like a.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: A Russian spy.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: A Russian spy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Okay. In a beauty contest.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's true. I think this is real.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway, I think we've got a long list of
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: spies that we have to that we're all looking at
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: right now. I think Julia is probably the lowest on
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: the list.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we're worried about it, really. But
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: it's by within the in the Miami. She's so stealth.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: She chooses Martina Navratilova. Yeah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And then, no, there's no there's nothing deceptive about Julia.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I think she's I do think she's a slutty opportunist. Yeah, she's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: That's all. Just trying to survive.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: So this came out today. Katie Rost, who has had
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: a colorful past. She was on Real Housewives of Potomac
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: with Dr. Wendy. And she posted this today. Ashley and
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I love each other. There is no beef, but she
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: has no cooth. I got to throw a flag. My
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: magical vagina that she told details about. She told Andy Cohen,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I have a hamster pussy on national TV. She ate it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: So I guess she would know. She is just a hater.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: She's just a hater.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: We love you, Wendy.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: But why is there a photo of Ashley with her
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: mother below? That's what she chose to comment on.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: It's really weird because I guess Ashley somehow was kind
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: of laughing about the Potomac arrest of Dr. Wendy. So
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: then Katie comes out of the woodwork to defend her.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I saw Katie defending Wendy first. And So maybe
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: that was just like her loyalty coming out.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: But also a hamster. When did she say? And what
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: an awful description. I mean, a hamster.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: You lost me.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that sounds awful. And then she said she
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: she ate it. So I guess she would know she
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: is just a hater. OK, well, also, Ashley has said
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: in an interview recently that I'm dating both men and women.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: She's been openly bisexual this entire time. And now so
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: is a real housewife, Atlanta. Portia says I'm dating both
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: men and women.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I get, I don't think with this kind of stuff,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: people are like, okay.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like in like two years, someone's
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: going to be like, and then you ate me out.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: We're going to be like, what? It was like really
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: kind of juicy when like, with the Vanderpump Girls when
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: they were doing that sometimes with like Lala and Ariana
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: and then also Kristen Doty. I think the only.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: People that really cared about that were the guys that
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: watched Vanderpump Girls because I just think women are kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: of like.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: But to me, I don't know. I've never in my
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: friend group known somebody that's married to men and go
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: down on each other.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: So if it happened in my real life, I would
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: be like, hit me over with a feather. I would
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: be so shocked. But now I was like, when it
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: was happening.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I think it's so much on TV that you're just
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: sort of like.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, when it was happening with the Vanderpump Girls,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I think, yeah, with younger people,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: this is more common when you're getting high and drunk.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And I don't know. Just happens. Happens like it's like
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: a Vegas thing. I don't know what it is. But
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: like now I'm like.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I think that is just like someone just trying to.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Good for them.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Retaliate.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Okay. Now. New report on... This is from The Hollywood Reporter.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Amy Bradley, that is one of the biggest docs that
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: happened this year. This is the young girl that went
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: missing over 25 years ago off of a Carnival Cruise ship,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: which she shared a room with her parents and her
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: college-age brother. She had just graduated from college, and they've
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: been looking for her for years. And you... interviewed the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: producers of this doc.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: And you definitely think she's alive.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I do think she was alive. I think she lived
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: for a long time. Now we should preface this is
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: that we have a long history of disagreeing about true
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: crime cases.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: And rather than being angry about it, I think it's
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: absolutely hilarious.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: We listen, you can have different views and actually still
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: be friends. Like it, You can agree to disagree.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Makes me laugh so hard. So when you were like, no,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: she wasn't trafficked. She jumped off the boat. I couldn't
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: stop laughing.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Accidentally fell.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, of course. Like we, of course.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: And I, you know what? Obviously I hope that she's
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: alive or comes out of the woodwork and she just
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: happened to never have a Netflix subscription this whole time
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: or seen the numerous reports about her or seen the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: posters or whatever and Because she's so embarrassed that she
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: was trafficked and doesn't want her family to know that
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: even though they were not happy that she was in
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: a lesbian relationship, that it would have been worse if
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: she was sleeping with men as a trafficked kid. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: just don't believe the whole thing. I just don't.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Okay. I absolutely believe that she was taken.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: And I've been following this case for decades. And I've
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: believed from the very beginning that she was trafficked. taken
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: off that ship.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: So there has been new information that's come forward that
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure that you noted. Okay. Number one,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: IP address hits on that website. They found a boat
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: off the coast of the western part of Barbados that
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: they have been looking into.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? Wait, someone's living off of on
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: a boat? Yes.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: And the pinging of the IP address for the Amy
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Bradley is missing website.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: It's suspect.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Suspect. And that happens to be in an area that
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: has high drug and sex trafficking. Okay.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Number two, during the documentary, there was a, or there
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: was discussion. I don't know if it was, I don't
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: think it made it to the documentary because they couldn't
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: track this woman down, but there was a bartender, a
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: female bartender who didn't speak English that well, who had
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: said Senorita kidnapped the day that morning after she was,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: she was, or she disappeared. That woman has now come forward.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: The man that was doing the video of the nightclub
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: where she was dancing in the documentary says, I was
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: told to get rid of that video. He has now
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: named who that person was.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: They told him?
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: And that person is in the documentary. He was like
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: head of the boat. A fourth thing is they have
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: now reason to believe that there is a child. Amy
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: does have a child. So, I mean, She would have
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: to have been taken off the boat to have had
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: a child, correct?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: So what do you think happened?
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: I think she probably had been talking to someone about
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: doing some sort of drug. It could have been as
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: simple as marijuana. And I think she went to her room.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I think she had a second wind. She went out.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: She met somebody. and somehow got off the boat, either
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: on her own accord or with somebody pushing her. And
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: then she's off the boat and then immediately realizes, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: don't know how to get, like I'm in a bad situation.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: And I think that when women are trafficked, they are
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: given a prodigious amount of drugs. They are raped. They
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: are tortured. And they're not only coping with trying to
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: get off the drugs, but they don't know how to
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: get home. They don't know how to get help. And
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: there's also the psychological torture of the person that has
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: taken them. And if you had a baby with someone
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: that raped you, then you would also feel a sense
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: of need to stay there. And I do think there's
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: an incredible amount of shame that comes with victims. And unless...
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: We've been through that experience. We really wouldn't be able
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: to understand it. There are enough people that have had
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: thrown up red flags in this case that I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: there's enough reason to pursue it. And the fact that
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: the FBI has put a new special agent, I mean,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: they've been to Capitol Hill since this has come out.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: So I think it all is pointing to there's enough
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: information to lead us to believe that she lived past
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: the day that she disappeared.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Okay. Very good. I disagree. I don't think that you
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: are a target for trafficking when you are sharing a
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: bedroom with your parents and your brother on a ship
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: and you have a sensible haircut and you wear Birkenstocks.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think they like look at certain haircuts and
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: clothes and they're like, you got the look that we're
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: looking for. I'm just saying, I don't think, and I don't,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and I think, If this was a thing of happening,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: of people being trafficked and getting off the boat, there
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: would be, along with her missing, are these eight, ten
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: other women.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that has happened.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: During that time. Well, there was another.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: All those people didn't look for their relatives. No, there
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: was a girl that has come forward and said that
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: just after Amy disappeared, that same man, yellow, had been
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: trying to get her to get off the boat too.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: And she has pictures with him on the boat. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: that girl was only 13 at the time. So I
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: do think it was happening, but I don't think a
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: lot of people have the strength to come forward. Do
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: you think there's any chance that the pinging that's coming
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: is her? However, she is in an okay place. It's possible.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: But is sitting back, is it ever possible that someone
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: is okay and sees their family or their loved ones
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: or their husband or their mother begging for them to call.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: And they just are like, this is fun. I fucking
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: hate you. And you can worry about me for the
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: rest of my life.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Because I do think I've covered a lot of true
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: crime docs where there is, there are people that kind
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: of disappear and it's, it's on purpose.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: It's like a Sherry Papini.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: So is it possible?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Can someone really be sitting back for years and years
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: and be like, I just like to go on that
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: website as my, you know, to see what it is,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: just to see, you know, if they're still looking for
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: me or whatever.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: It's possible. I just don't think in this case.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I think this case is a money-making case as far
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: as entertainment value. I think it's, there are certain true
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: crime cases that you go into a network and you say,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: there's a new wrinkle here. on the JonBenet and it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: an angle that the guy that, whatever, you just come
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: up with one tiny new wrinkle and we have another
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: person that's going to be interviewed and they're like, yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: we know just like someone that does an article about
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Taylor Swift knows as long as we say Taylor Swift
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: got a new bra, whatever, the clickbait is going to
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: go there. That's all you need. And that is why
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: there's so many docs about OJ, so many docs about JonBenet.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: But there weren't really that many about Amy Bradley, actually.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, there were. Trust me, I've climbed 2020s and there
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: was not that many. Trust me, when they announced it,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I was excited because I thought, thankfully, they're finally going
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: to put the muscle into it. I'm hopeful.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: I really am.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: All right. Yeah. Oh, going back.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Apartment 603. What happened to Alan Greenberg on Hulu?
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I started to watch it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: And this girl, this girl, she's a teacher. She's not
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: loving her job as a teacher. But she says the boyfriend,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: the fiance is in their nice apartment in Brooklyn or
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: wherever it was.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Was it Brooklyn?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Where was it?
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: No, it was in Maniunk outside of Philadelphia.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Philly, Philly, yeah. Yeah. He's at the gym inside the
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: apartment complex. He comes back up and this latch is
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: on the door and he can't get in. Yeah. So,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: so he's like trying to get in. He's annoyed. He
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: gets in and she's in the kitchen and she has,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: he says, oh my God, she stabbed herself. And so
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: it's like, did he kill her? Was this suicide? This
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. No one stabs themselves with suicide. What,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: We never we never found out what happened.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah. The problem is, is that the police, they
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: came up with their initial report and then they switched
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: it to suicide. So the whole story is sort of
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: like how perplexing. Why did they switch it? And I
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: think the really big question is their political influence, because
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: the family of the fiance was close friends with the governor.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: And did that have some sort of influence?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: But how would he... Okay, so if he was responsible
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: for her death, how did he get the latch of
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: the door to shut after he killed her?
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Because in the documentary, the building manager says that there
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: is this thing in that building with doors that if
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: you walk out the door and slam it from behind,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: that the doors sometimes latch back.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: So I think if you want to watch it, it's
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: an important story because I think it sheds a light
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: on political influence in true crime cases. Okay.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: And we have— We were fired up about this one.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: We have this mother who— this is from Bravo Celebrities. The
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: way Bronwyn's mom spoke to her, it's actually hurt— it actually
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: hurt to watch.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: So— Bronwyn is a newer cast member. She's married to
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: an older guy. She has one daughter who's 18, and
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: that daughter she gave birth to while she was at
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: BYU and not married, which is a big deal in
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: the Mormon culture. But this wasn't like 1926. This was
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: 18 years ago. And the mother is now living with
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: her while they– while her father, who has Alzheimer's, is
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: in a home. The mother, I mean, I hope she
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: doesn't live with her forever. It seems like she's going
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: to live with her forever.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Kind of.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And now here's what I want to say about this scene,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: because it's so disturbing.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: To anybody that watched it, she comes off as a
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: complete and total bitch, the mother. She's still saying one
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: moment that Bronwyn's like, I guess her sister was pregnant
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: at the same time, but the sister was married and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: they were at a baby store to buy something for
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: her sister who was pregnant. And the woman at the
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: store goes, oh, and you're going to buy, she's going
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to be buying you some stuff for your baby too.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And she's like, no, just for my sister, which was
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: weird because I mean, she's keeping the child. And then
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: she's like, well, Bronwyn, you don't know how hard it
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: was for me. When all of a sudden you just
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to use me as a daycare. And I'm like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: it was bizarre that she wasn't at this time. Like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I know it was hard for us. It wasn't what
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I saw for you. It was embarrassing since we were
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: big in the church. But of course, Gwen is the
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: greatest blessing ever. There was no moment of that. However,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: could it be that there were those moments and it
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: was edited out?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think so either, but there is a chance.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: There is a chance that at one moment the mom's like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: now the mom's not an on TV star. She's not
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: a reality star. She's told, okay, we're going to film.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to, and now I'm faced with this
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable stuff. And she's just, I'm just playing devil's advocate
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: just because everybody like wants to put this woman at
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: the stake as the worst mother on earth. And I'm like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is an edited show and And
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: maybe she really is that awful, but maybe she really
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: like was a really good grandmother to Gwen, but is
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: like looking back and is like, well, you're asking me
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: these questions. And yeah, it was like, I wasn't ready
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: to like have to take care of her child all day.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Like I'm still, I don't know. It was off. It
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: was an awful, awful, awful scene. But I just thought
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: to myself, I mean, we, these shows, you know, the,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the wife agrees to do it. Her husband, is always
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: portrayed horribly, which is why Todd is suing Bravo. Oftentimes
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: you put your kids in a bad position where they're
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: misbehaved and we watch it for the next 15 years
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: and remember that this kid was a little shit at 15.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: And then there's, and now you put like an elderly
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: person on, whether it's Sutton's mom or her or whatever. Mm-hmm.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: And they come off really horribly. But they are probably horrible,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: but still. Yeah, but I kind of loved it because
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: you could tell, I kind of.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Look at these situations as like playing the long game.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Where Bronwyn probably felt like she had the most power
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: that she's ever had in her life. Having a camera
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: there in the home.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Where this woman is now living.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Her daughter is now 18. She probably feels the most
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: centered that she's ever felt and she let her display
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: her ignorance and her cruelty and she has no one
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: that can save her because it's out there and she
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: no one's going to hide for her anymore her her
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: husband her other kids like you you've been a horrible
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: person to your daughter and And now you have to
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: make up for it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, but that is why I think women go
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: on Real Housewives shows.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Most times it's, I'm going to show the world what
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: an asshole my husband is. One or two things is
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: going to happen. He's going to watch it and beg
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: for mercy. Or we're going to get divorced and still
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: everyone will think, will know what an asshole he is.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: So now she did the exact same thing with her mom. Okay, fine.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Then get her the fuck out of your house. For me,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: watching Bronwyn, I'm like, I just wanted Bronwyn to like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: if I just, I felt for her, I was like,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: oh my God, now you have your daughter and her
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: boyfriend living there. You have angry Todd who doesn't enjoy
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: the cameras there. And this mean mother.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: That's why her daughter lives with her. She needs a buffer.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Right, but I mean, if I was.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: She doesn't have the strength to her mother, but I
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: think people watched that and they were jarred by it
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: because they may have that same kind of relationship where
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: you have this emotional tethering to your parents still. I
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: wonder if in a.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Year or two, Bronwyn is just going to be living
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: the single life completely. Like, I'm done with my parents.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I'm done with my kid. Not done, but like she's
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: gone on her own. Yeah. I don't have to. My
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: parents are in a place where I don't have to
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: be with them every day. And if she's still in
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: love with Todd, great. But maybe that won't last forever.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: And like, oh, my God. Like, but now she's got
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: a case that we're going to see about that came
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: up about her. She had some fraud case come up, Bronwyn.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: But that's why I like the origin stories, like meeting
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: the parents. Because now that I've met the weird mom,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: if there are things in her past, legal issues. at
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: least I have more contacts. Like she was desperate. She
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't have the financial and emotional support of her parents
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: during the most vulnerable, precious time of a transformational point
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: of a woman's life. And then if that gives her
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: an open door to go, I made some really poor
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: decisions and here's why, because this is what happened to me.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: If I hadn't met the mom, I don't know if
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: I would have seen it as much.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I have another thought about this now that just popped
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: in my mind. this is all kind of really awful
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: for Gwen it really is last season it was all
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: about how the her the father who died young of
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: like a car accident that his parents never wanted anything
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: to do with her and now she's getting giving full
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: proof again for her daughter to see that her own
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: parents weren't happy about her pregnancy and like normally even
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a mother daughter who like hate each other it's like
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: the baby comes and that grandmother is overly involved or wants,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: you know, and sometimes the mom is like, oh my God, grandma,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: like you're not going to get custody of my kid.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Leave me alone. This is just, no wonder the girl
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: has a boyfriend who she's living with at 18. No
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: one should be living with their boyfriend at 18. But
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: like what?
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: But it's all like, I'm so grateful.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's very interesting to watch it because it
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: opens all these conversations for all of us. It's What
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: was your relationship with your parents like? And then how
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: did it challenge you in certain life circumstances? And do
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: you still talk to your parents? And if you don't, why?
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: That's why I love these shows so much. Because this
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: conversation and situation may not appear in movies. Because we're like, no,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: movies are made for like 20-year-olds or like 55-year-old men.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, this is why it was juicy. Like
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: it was super juicy, sad, disturbing, awful stuff.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: It's good that Gwen's not really on the show, though. Yeah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I'm sure she doesn't want to be. Yeah. Okay. Real
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Housewives of OC. Emily is doing the Innocence Project, which
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: is a really great cause. And we're going to have
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: some espresso martinis with Shane. And we're going to have
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: a Western-themed party. And here they have these men with
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: their shirts off celebrating the fact that this guy was
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: just in prison with men.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: For 30 years. Little tone deaf.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: It's a little tone. Like they just got out of
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: prison and it's like, he just got out of prison,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: but to make some, Hey guys, take a photo with
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: these hot guys.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Let's do some wine dancing.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Let's do some wine dancing. And then.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: There are all these parties too on reality TV. It's like,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: you get it like a, a personalized cowboy hat. It's like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: they always like in the club, remember the ax throwing?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: It's always like a group. They, they like hang on
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: So they, they make some money at the event. Then
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I have a photo of this guy and.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, what is that going on?
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: This guy's outfit, he was line dancing and I just was,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: I saw this and I was like, okay, which of
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: the housewives did he slide into their DMs to get
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: invited to this?
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: And now he's best friends.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: By the way, all of those guys are best friends
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: of the housewives.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, like, and then, oh, you can come to
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: the Innocence Project, and he's dancing around. And then, of course,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Shannon's doing her schtick, trying to dance, and I like
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: to dance. Okay. How long are we going to get,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: is anyone going to get tired of the comedic schtick
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: of Shannon? I mean, when you think, when you watch
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: an old episode of it, back when She was married
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: to David. There was none of this weird goofiness. Yeah,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: you're right.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: Like I said, we were just like, wait, why do
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: you have all those lemons in a bowl and you
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: have stuff in your ceiling and you go to this
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: weird doctor named Dr.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Moon?
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: That was kind of what filled that space, but now
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: she can be performative, for sure.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like where people would go back and
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: show clips of britney of vanderpump and valley which i
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: mean i i like her a lot but like her
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: accent wasn't that strong now maybe in the beginning she
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: was hiding the accent because she was embarrassed by it
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: and or maybe it's because she's been so close to
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: her mom that she's like picked it up again but
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: it is kind of funny where it's like yeah you
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: know because i remember she would start to say people's
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: you know last name shanna bedore and then she You know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming they were like, hey, make sure you, that's
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: funny that you always say someone's last name. And she says,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: then says it about herself and, you know, does her
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: whole thing. But, you know, here she's trying to dance,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: you know, and getting her, trying to do her dancing.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Can I just tell you, I was at a restaurant
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: about four weeks ago and her dad came in. Shannon's dad.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Gene.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: And he walks in with a friend and they sat
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: behind me.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: And they called Shannon on speaker in a very busy restaurant.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: And I heard the whole conversation. Yeah, but that's kind
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: of made me realize like she's so much like her dad.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like it's like that.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: So those scenes are pretty funny. But he was like
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: needed her for everything. I wish they showed that part
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: of her life.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Because everyone's like, oh, you're so pathetic. Not pathetic, but like,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: aren't you sad? Your kids are gone. But having been
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: witness to that, I'm like, I think she has to.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: help with her dad a lot. His friend had the
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: phone up like this, raised at the table, and they
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: were like, Shannon, how do you do this? How do
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: you do that? And she's like, what? I can't hear you.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: You're at a restaurant. And I just was like, I'm
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: inside of an episode. So I think she's actually maybe
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: turning into her dad.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also older people do prefer speakerphone because it
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: is harder to hear than if you put it up
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: to your ear. But anyway, so it was fun. Tamara
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: and Gretchen, you know, don't have their face to face.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: It's going to continue. They're going to Amsterdam next week.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: And they're.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: That's going to be the big episode that everyone's talking about, right?
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And they go to like a color me mine
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: for dildos. That's going to be make your own dildo. Wow.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: So that'll be fun. And yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: So whose idea was that?
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: To go to Amsterdam?
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: No, the idea for the Color Me Mine dildo place.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Like whose idea was that?
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's Color Me Mine dildo. I
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: think it's like make your own dildo or whatever. It's just,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: It's a pretty good thing to do on a TV show. Okay. Now,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh. Worst divorce ever.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Denise Richards divorcing Aaron Pfeiffer's. Pfeiffer's?
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Pfeiffer.
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Pfeiffer.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: She should never have married him based on that last
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: name alone. What a nightmare. Began with a lot.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: He had the audacity to say that, well, he's denying
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: all physical abuse. Of course. And he just says that
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: she bruises everything. easily.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Okay. She's got an iron deficiency. Okay, Erin, he's the worst.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: He's the worst.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: And you go back in time and all those women
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: hated him. They were all right. I feel bad looking back, too,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: because what do you do when you know someone is
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: in a bad relationship and you're like, There's nothing I
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: can do. It has to be their choice to leave.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: And she would just freak out on you if you
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: said anything bad about him. But like he showed displayed
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: crazy signs from the very beginning. And the fact that
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: his family was living in that house all the time,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: her house. Talk about grifters.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: What a bunch of grifters.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: He's the worst. Oh, just a reminder, everybody, I'll be
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: at the MGM Grand on November 14th. So get your
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: tickets at HeatherMcDoll.net. You can also join my Patreon there. Okay,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: a little update with the Blake Lively situation.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Don't you feel like this case has gone on for
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: 19 years? It's gone on forever, and.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: It's another one of those things that I think people are, like,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: lost interest in, kind of.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Like our audiences. But anyway, Blake Lively's proposed It Ends
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: With Us contract reveals six-figure bonus plan if she had
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: won an Oscar for her role.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Presumptuous to believe you're going to get an Oscar nomination.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: But also, I don't think that's that crazy or that weird.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they, I don't think, I think
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: it's juicy.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think it means anything. If in doing the contract,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: whether she asked for it or not, maybe she's someone like, yeah,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do all I can to get eyes
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: on this and I'm going to do the best job
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: I can and that's a goal setting for me. I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: I just think it would have been highly unlikely that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: that movie would have ever been nominated for any kind
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: of award. I don't know. But if it was Jessica Chastain,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: I'd go, yeah, you deserve the extra $ 600, 000. But Blake Lively?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but everybody– but when you start living– being this actress,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: you're always thinking of what is that role? I mean,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: people would look for a role.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: I know, but there's a difference between the Blake Lively's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: and the Jessica Chastain's. So then I'm like looking at
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: the people that encircle you, who make you believe that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: you have a chance at an Oscar.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Well, then what a great deal then. You don't have
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: any chance of an Oscar.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: So you're going to get a million dollars more if
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: you get an Oscar. I think the team.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: Who's writing up the contract is like, okay.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that's kind of a great win-win. Like,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: it's no money off our back if you don't get it.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: And if you get it, more people will than be
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: inclined to watch it. Well, sure, if it happens. And
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: you have to win. It wasn't just to be nominated. Like,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: you'd actually have to have won it.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Like, that is so hard. I just feel like that's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: like me saying I'm going to win the Olympic roller
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: skating challenge.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Like, I, like.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Come on. I just thought it was kind of interesting thing.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Cause I'm like, I know I've been in like a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: room with a couple of people throughout my life, different
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: times where they're trying to get the rights to a role. Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Because they're like, this will be my Oscar nom. If
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: I play this real life person.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Like, If I'm ever going to get one, I think
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: I could embody that person and get to that place,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: even though I maybe am a comedic actor or whatever.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, there is that thing when you
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: get to a certain place in your career where you're like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: what are the things that I could get that could
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: ever get me in like the nomination?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, people are saying like Jennifer Lopez, this kiss
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: of the spider woman. Yeah. This might be the thing.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: It wasn't the hustler. Which I was always like.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: But do you think that the entertainment lawyers go out
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: for drinks and then they sort of swap stories and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: they're like, let me tell you what my client was thinking.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, that would be a conversation I'd like to overhear.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Instead of Shannon Bedore's dad asking how to.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: Like this. He was like, Shannon.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Archie, I'm trying to.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Talk to your grandpa. Oh, my God. Interesting. Would you
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: ever want to climb Mount Everest?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Have you heard about all the Mount Everest talk that's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: been happening lately?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I see videos of people and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: they're like shaking and losing their minds. I'm like, why
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: do this?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: So there's like this whole like trend going on where
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden people are really talking about Mount Everest,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: showing videos and whatever because they feel that In this
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: last one where people were stuck up there, though they
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: all did get home okay, people really started to analyze, like,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: what a selfish thing this is to try to climb
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: to the top of Mount Everest. Not only is it
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: super expensive, it's expensive because you have these people.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: That have to go and make sure you're okay.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: How do you pronounce the Sherpas?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Sherpas.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Sherpas that help you do it. And this is their livelihood.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: This is, like, what they do. Yet they're risking their
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: lives also to get you on and off the mountain again.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: And there's video of like where people would be like
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: climbing a mountain and you just see someone like fall
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: off of it, but you can't go and save them.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Otherwise you're going to die. Like it was just nightmare.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Nothing I'd ever want to do. And, um, yeah, I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: just thought I, I just, it is, it is, it
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: is a crazy thing. And I don't know. And then
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: someone also said, if you could climb Mount Everest, um,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: And it's something you want to do. But you can
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: never tell anybody that you climbed Mount Everest.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, they would never do it.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: And you could never take a photo and you could never.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: Forget it. No one would do it.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I will never understand.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I think we live in a time where people are like,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: how do I go viral? Like, how do I look
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: better than my friends on social media? I'm going to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: go to climb Mount Everest. And then I'm going to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: do a whole video series about my whole experience. I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: think it's like outdoing one after another. It's absurd. Next,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: it's going to be like people on like skyscrapers, like
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: doing the tightrope. It's like people have lost their minds.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people have all done that and people are dying.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I wonder if there'll be a way soon that you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: can fake climbing Mount Everest. Not through AI, but you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: know how like sometimes people would do that with like
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: running a marathon? Yes. Where all of a sudden they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: would just join. Yeah, they just join the thing. Like
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I wonder if you could just like do that somehow like, Like, okay,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: we're going to drop you off over here. And then
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: you're just going to be like, oh, hey.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: And then you join.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: You're like, then you go around the corner and your
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: helicopter like picks you up or whatever.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Take the picture at the peak.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: All these kind of things just I'm like nothing.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine the obituary of the person that did
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: the tightrope and that's how they died? And then the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: person who had to write it like this idiot wanted
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: so badly to make it past 100,000 followers that they
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: came up with this cockamamie plan. They didn't know what
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: they were doing.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: This is what happens when you act like you like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: hiking with a guy. And the next thing you know,
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  Speaker 3: 10 years later, you're like, how do I get out
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  Speaker 3: of this thing? Like, don't lie about wanting to go hike,
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  Speaker 3: extreme hikes. Don't say you like camping if you don't.
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  Speaker 4: Don't say you want to go snorkeling if you get
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  Speaker 4: panic attacks. Like, stop.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Just be authentically yourself. I want to just stay home
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  Speaker 4: and watch Netflix.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: It's a better long game plan to just be upfront
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  Speaker 4: about all the things you don't want to do.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Tell me what are we supposed to be watching
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  Speaker 3: this week?
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  Speaker 4: Okay. If you like basketball, watch Starting Five on Netflix.
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  Speaker 4: That follows five NBA players, and they're all really likable.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't even have to love basketball to watch it.
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  Speaker 4: If you like football, watch two of them. Saquon on
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  Speaker 4: Amazon Prime about Saquon Barkley, who plays for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 4: God bless. Thank you. And there's also The Many Lives
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  Speaker 4: of Lane Kiffin. Do you remember when he was a
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  Speaker 4: coach at USC?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: It was during the Reggie Bush era.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: He's now at Ole Miss and ESPN made a doc
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  Speaker 4: about him and he's sober now. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: an interesting life story.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: True Crime, The Perfect Neighbor on Netflix later this week.
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  Speaker 4: And then Love is Blind. The episodes are absolutely bonkers.
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  Speaker 4: They're not exceptionally attractive.
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  Speaker 3: The people.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. However, there are a lot of like weird characters
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  Speaker 4: that are a lot to unpack. And I also kind
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  Speaker 4: of like the Victoria Beckham doc series on Netflix.
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  Speaker 3: She has a whole series?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of follows her business.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think happened to his face? Just filler?
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  Speaker 3: David Beckham got like an extra filler.
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  Speaker 4: I think that his doctor is probably like, well, you
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  Speaker 4: know what Tom Cruise is doing? And just kind of
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  Speaker 4: made it up. And then like tried out something.
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  Speaker 3: It'll settle down. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But when you watch that series, they feel like they
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  Speaker 4: really are a good couple. I don't know what's going
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  Speaker 4: on with their one son and the weird wife. They
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  Speaker 4: all hate each other now, but I think Victoria and
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  Speaker 4: David are pretty solid. She does talk about it in
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  Speaker 4: the series that she has struggled with an eating disorder.
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  Speaker 3: Victoria Beckham does? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was surprised that she talked about it. And then
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  Speaker 4: there was one other one, and now it's slipping my mind.
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  Speaker 4: But you can get that at katecasey.substock.com. Every Monday I
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  Speaker 4: give you a list of what to watch. So if
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  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, God, what do I watch this week?
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  Speaker 4: I always have tons of options for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And then she interviews lots of the filmmakers, the documentarians.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of like your vibe along with everything else
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  Speaker 3: and following all the fun stuff that we do too here.
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  Speaker 3: So everyone, follow Kate Casey and check out her podcast,
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  Speaker 3: Reality Life with Kate Casey. And, yeah, we will– We'll
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  Speaker 3: be talking all the time. Love you.
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  Speaker 4: Love you.
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  Speaker 3: Bye. Christmas shopping has already started in our house.
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  Speaker 4: My daughter is so organised. already planning Christmas gifts from
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  Speaker 4: Macaulay hair care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for.
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  Speaker 3: Her bestie but the apple doesn't fall far from the
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  Speaker 3: tree I'm an early bird buying one present a week
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  Speaker 3: can buy in store or online from Macaulay.ie for home
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  Speaker 6: Easy gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.