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Episode 92: Discussing the Clone Wars "Citadel Arc" Part 3: Citadel Rescue · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast you're looking for.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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  A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Leanne and I'm your host Lauren.
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  In this week, we are finishing up, our three-part breakdown of
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  the Citadel Arc, with the third and final installment.
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  Episode titled Citadel rescue because that's what happens.
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  But, yeah, spoiler alert right there.
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  The sample boiler. Hey, did you know, No, in the
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  footnotes of like the background tidbits of this episode.
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  It was the third least watch episode of the Clone Wars
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  series, really? Yeah, which is fucking weird,
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  but it's only had. It only had one point 54 million
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  views so that tells you how well this Joe was doing.
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  Jeez. That's crazy.
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  Because there are some episodes that are way more boring than
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  this one. Yeah I'm thinking anything in
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  this. And it is in my opinion.
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  Way less interesting or the droids in the void.
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  Oh my God. I don't think I've ever watched
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  that full Arc I tried on and I just couldn't get through it.
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  I don't even think the loonies watched it for long.
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  I think it's only George. Lucas is the only one who was
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  like, that is such a good. I think that was like is a which
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  kind of makes sense. It does, kind of make sense?
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  Well, we're giving this. I'd love today.
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  I there's a lot of moments in this episode.
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  I love And in fact, in re watching the episode, I forgot
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  that one of my favorite Anakin moments is in this episode of
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  really, which one when he's doing the multiple somersault.
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  Yeah. That's such a good and even and
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  he flips, back and lands on his hands and like, looks up all
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  dramatically. Yeah.
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  Because, you know, Skywalker like a superhero.
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  Yeah. Like Iron, Man.
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  The fist down on the ground. It's totally.
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  The Ironman pose. But like, Jedi style.
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  Yeah, that helps. Vince is great.
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  I love that moment. He's a goddamn floor, gymnast
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  and out of ten scorecard and whatever hilarious of Obi-Wan
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  would have held up a scorecard after that.
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  What is it like lyrical ballet or whatever?
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  It's called. Yes or interpretive Jedi, Dan.
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  Yes, floor routine. Yes.
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  Yeah. I forgot all about that.
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  It's one of my favorite gifts that I use, whenever I like want
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  to highlight something. Thing about Anakin because it's
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  so dramatic. Yeah.
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  Well, he's such a central part of this whole story.
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  It's kind of like, they're laying the foundation for Vader
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  here. Oh.
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  Oh, I know. I know.
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  And it's so sad because you see throughout the episode, what a
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  good leader he is, you know, what a good fighter, what it
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  was, he's just, you see it in a Sokka.
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  Mmm. Then you just know what ends up
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  happening and it and it He's really wrapped up in what
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  Obi-Wan says to finish out the episode which I'm sure we'll get
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  to. Yeah, absolutely.
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  It's like the central thing we've talked about in all of
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  these episodes basically as it comes down to that last quote
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  that 0 b 1 says and it's it's they talk about it.
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  Still in this episode, they have the whole conversation and the
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  last episode between Anakin and Tarkin and then that carries on
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  into this episode between Obi-Wan Ahsoka and Anakin and
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  Target. And also getting in there a
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  little bit. I like that moment because we
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  have already seen Anakin talking this out with Harkin and then
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  Ahsoka is questioning it and is like, whole.
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  This guy is like such an asshole and then he really is, is a huge
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  asshole, but then when Anakin says to her, we aren't soldiers
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  were peacekeepers. You see Obi-Wan's.
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  I Flickr / and he starts actively listening to their
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  conversation and it's really interesting because In the
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  cinematography, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka are like, off to the
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  sides, kind of like talking over their shoulder and, and again,
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  is the only one framed right in the center facing the camera.
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  And it's like, he is really sure of his conviction.
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  Is he? Well, he in that moment.
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  He seems to really believe what he's saying.
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  Where's everybody else is kind of like trying to defend
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  themselves instead? I thought was really
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  interesting. That is, that is good.
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  I you're right. It's kind of like good angel,
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  bad angel. Even though they're both good
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  Angels. Yeah, exactly.
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  And he's the bad Angel. But I do love how he Anakin
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  claims. He's going to rush off and take
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  care of it. He's like, oh and Obi-Wan of
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  course always liked this episode has such good.
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  OB would move its to because he's oh he's he's like not even
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  subtly being like I need some action.
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  Like please take yeah. Yes.
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  Don't leave me here with Tarkin like No, he looks so Regal
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  throughout this episode to the way they like highlight him and
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  how he standing in the things he says.
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  And I know he's very Noble but that's what I really like about
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  this episode is because he's saying all the right things and
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  he's acting like we have to keep moving.
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  He's trying to keep everyone on Target and then there's this
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  moment where Anakin select, I'm gonna create a distraction and
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  I'll be the ones like me to, don't leave me out, right?
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  And then he, He his he like goes Fucking ham like he just he does
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  he does all this crazy flips. It's shit.
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  You never see him do anywhere else.
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  And I started to look up the blade flourishing because as
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  their, they stand, and they turn to face the Anubis that are
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  coming towards them. He flourishes his blade and
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  Anakin doesn't and then Obi-Wan does it again?
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  And again as a new bizarre running towards them.
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  So it's like What does it mean? Because I've read that it's a
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  way for swordsman to like expel energy but oh, a lot of stuff
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  that I researched said that it's a way to show off that.
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  They serve no purpose except to show off and intimidate your
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  opponent that are not necessary necessarily it in like combat so
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  that, that was how in 2016. So he's showing off in front of
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  a pack of wolves or is he Showing off in front of Anakin
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  because he didn't let him come with him originally.
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  Yeah, I don't know. It's something he does all the
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  time though. He almost always flourishes his
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  blade, so that's true. Does I also read it's a way for
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  you to, like, know your blade. Because if you start doing the
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  like, really crazy flourishes, you know, how close to your
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  body, you can get with them. And like, it makes you have a
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  good sense. It gives you a like, more
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  spatial awareness but knowing ob1, it's like all these things
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  but really just a little show-off, boy, it's just a
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  little Insight into his psyche, little bit.
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  I think. So, I would almost if Anakin
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  does it, it would be to expel energy.
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  Yeah. As I feel like he has more of
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  that pent-up than Obi-Wan does. Yeah.
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  Which is hilarious. Because Anakin's the one getting
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  laid here, but we want is it? Well, I know I was gonna say
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  maybe Obi-Wan has a lot of repressed energy because he's
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  always so uptight about everything through and he lets
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  it out when he's fighting, I really hate the Anubis.
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  Because I don't like I don't like, dog things that are mean.
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  Yeah. You know I mean, I know they're
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  like a hyena wolf. Yeah, pack dogs being you know,
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  released upon you know. But is it just me or did I only
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  noticed for the first time? Probably.
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  Because I actually re-watch this episode before right before we
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  did this that so Beck's eye twitches.
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  Yes, he's a Not Ki. You know, I wrote a note of that
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  job because I thought it was so funny.
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  How did he do it in the other episodes?
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  I can't remember. I don't remember, has really
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  highlighted in this one. I think it.
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  And it's like when he's talking to Dooku, it's like the more
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  pressure. He's being put to start to itch
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  and lose. His shit.
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  Does Christopher Walken head height, which because, I gotta
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  know, oh my God, I love that whole like beginning with so
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  pick and Dooku. Cuz soap expand ghosting Dooku
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  for. I know an episode and a half and
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  Dooku finally forces him to talk to him.
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  And he's like, I was gonna call you babe, but I just wanted to
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  surprise you. I got all your messages, my
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  phone was dead. Sorry, I forgot my charger at
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  work. I forgot my charger.
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  The Citadel doesn't have enough USB ports like I had and the
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  electrical wiring just got zapped by the That I so no, no,
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  I really care about you, please. Don't be mad, babe.
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  I love you. Your your honesty is the only
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  thing, keeping you alive God I'd call.
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  Should I said that to the people who are ghosting me baby, you
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  should have delivered. It just the same way to channel
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  my inner Dooku. Oh that reminds me.
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  I wanted to ask you, I'm jumping ahead a little bit but these
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  coordinates that They this whole thing was for, right?
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  Obviously, we know as the viewer that Palpatine is behind all of
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  this separatist. Jedi Republic.
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  He's the puppet master of all of this, right?
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  Do you think at the end you're just like, hmm.
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  We have to consult Chancellor Palpatine about this.
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  What do you think they ended up to because Ahsoka was dead set
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  on, not telling Chancellor Palpatine?
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  Yeah, you know, Tarkin was all about telling, Palpatine
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  everything and so are you assuming do you assume that I
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  told him because he was behind it anyway, or do you think?
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  He's like not the Jedi can know and he threw him a bone?
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  I don't know that I had the same thought when we get to the end
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  and Tarkin is standing there refusing to give any information
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  to the Jedi Council. And I was thinking how Dooku is
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  jumping through all these hoops to try and get the Nexus route
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  back and I like Palpatine's gonna have it either way.
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  Yeah, well you're just playing everybody because he's not, he's
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  just Palpatine. Being Palpatine.
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  It makes it feel like this whole mission was unnecessary because
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  of course, yeah, I don't know it and I'm sure Palpatine was
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  sitting in his office watching all this like a little mouse
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  trap game. Like we said in episode, one of
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  this Arc, it's like wonder how they're going to get out of this
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  one. Let's watch, if anyone dies
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  better not be Skywalker, you know, I bet you the whole thing
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  was a plot to get to get Anakin and Tarkin to meet honestly.
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  That makes the most sense because if you start to really
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  question this episode and like, why if Palpatine is behind it?
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  All? Which of course, he always is
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  why like this. All of, it's totally unnecessary
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  everything Palpatine does his so explore.
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  I mean 100%, but Ahsoka said it. She said, why would they give
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  the other half to this guy, Evan peel had the information to
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  begin with, right? And so he shared it with
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  tarkan's so that but if he Add the info?
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  Doesn't that mean, Evan Woulda had it all?
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  Like, I don't know. I don't know.
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  I'm getting good. I don't know.
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  Well, it's nice that Ahsoka. Got it because she wasn't
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  supposed to be there and she ended up being the most
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  important, right? Piece of all of this because
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  she's the one that was there with Evan, when he died because
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  he does die in this episode along with countless other
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  fucking clones that. They just leave.
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  I know there's like a nobody survives At the end.
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  I mean, we got Rex and Cody Wright and like, the one, the
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  one clone that's in an uniform that was with Target.
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  Well, and then there was the other clone who I cannot
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  remember his name. Now, he has the helmet with the
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  markings on it. It's got like the red triangle
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  and the blue. Oh, yeah.
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  And I can't remember which clone that is.
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  I'm pretty sure he's the one who's like, at the end and
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  season seven, unless it's the one who discovered Covers the
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  chip. It might be that close it.
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  Fives. It could be fives.
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  It might be. I think it's fives.
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  Yeah, cuz it says right here, his staff is shot down by fives,
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  sta P. So Mike arrives on scene
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  determined to see his efforts to exceed personally.
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  They go shot down by fives and then we have all the stoker with
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  the lightsaber through the back just like a mannequin.
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  I know she very rarely. Do we see her kill a living
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  creature? Had she kills you did it for
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  fucking talk to her. Target I know, right?
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  What it's, she hates the guy and she still saves his life because
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  she's a good person. But then his his response is, I
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  see you've trained her. Well, like, what the hell?
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  No, thanks or anything. He does say thank you.
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  He does. He does.
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  He says my thanks Padawan Tano like, show.
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  That's right, basically, that's right.
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  Yeah. Yeah, she might be the only
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  person he's ever things in his whole life.
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  That's why she made it to the end and he didn't, yeah, oopsie,
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  he was a bitch. When he had to take piggyback
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  with Anakin down the Rocks, he had to get one more jab in.
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  This is ridiculous. And then he got carried down,
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  like a small infant on the back of Anakin.
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  I left so hard. Turk, and literally gets a
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  piggyback ride from here. He does like Walker, and don't
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  you fucking forget it, right? Like you, You know, that when he
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  Invader are bickering in A New Hope Vader is like, I have given
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  you a piggyback fucking carried you on my back before I had all
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  metal limbs. Yeah.
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  You whisper of a man. Oh my God, favorite quote ever?
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  Yep. He is a frail.
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  Whisper of a man. It's real.
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  It is little gestapo pants. I can I love how he's bitching
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  the whole time too. He says like the whole what if
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  your Jedi friends aren't there? When we arrive and even peel is
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  like if you were just fucking keep moving, you won't have to
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  worry. Exactly Less Talk More Walk.
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  Let's go Tarkin like I'm surprised.
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  Obi-Wan didn't deliver that line because he was thinking it, you
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  know, for sure he was thinking, shut the fuck up or I'll leave
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  you here, like you? See he even says it's much
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  later. When Anakin and Tarkin or
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  talking over one just says, let's keep Being shall we?
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  That's such a parent line. It seems like everyone's dead
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  and this episode. Yeah, yes.
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  Although he does, you mentioned it earlier, he does do some,
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  fantastic flips and he gets on those little are bikes.
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  Yes, those little and he's chopping heads off of the droids
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  and stuff. There's a real head-chopping.
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  It's hot goes on. It.
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  Is, it really is serious. XE.
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  O B1 finally gets to like do some sexy stuff instead of just
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  saying we must keep moving. Yeah.
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  Right. This is his ark though.
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  He's been beautiful from top to bottom every single episode.
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  Yeah. In this Arc and some fat.
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  Well like you said, they all look good.
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  They do lighting the fire the gas.
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  I don't know. It's beautiful anger.
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  Tarkin making everyone else. Look great by looking like an
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  ass. It's Freddy true.
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  It makes everyone else seemed very challengeable.
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  There's a moment where during the Anubis attack a clone like
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  saves tarkan's life and God he just has no gratitude.
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  Like later in bad batch. He's part of the decommissioning
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  of the Clones and no surprise there.
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  Yeah, the man is all about self-preservation.
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  And and survival. Yeah, and that's the ironic part
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  because he doesn't survive, right?
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  It does it and he's talking about like, serving some greater
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  Purpose with the Empire, but really doubtful, it's not.
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  It's all about himself. He was going to be in it until
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  he rose to the top because they all are like that in the Empire,
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  literally crabs in a bucket. Isn't that what you call it,
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  crabs. In a bucket.
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  We have crab droids in this episode which is hilarious
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  because It's fucking Target. He's a fucking crap, but it's
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  true. That what is the purpose of a
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  crab Droid? I don't know.
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  Because these are a deck has they're the same thing.
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  They seem to be able to go through the lava.
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  I don't know. They, uh maybe yeah, what are
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  they made of best car? What the hell?
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  How do you go through Lava fears?
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  That I had the same thought while watching this episode like
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  also how does Evan peel not just immediately like You know
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  disintegrate? I don't know.
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  Yeah, the force carries him. I was going to say, maybe had a
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  little Force bubble around him, but yeah, that's what I like,
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  two hams. I feel so bad.
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  That sequence was beautiful and sad and when the music it's
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  gorgeous, it's great. Like it's almost like a military
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  send-off. It's kind of reminiscent of a
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  military sounding song. Yeah, I'm not describing that
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  correctly. But it's it's got a lot of
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  horns. Yeah, I definitely get what you
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  saying for sure. It does have that sense and that
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  Obi-Wan Anakin like lift his body.
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  And yeah, I dropped them enough. It's so beautiful and sad but
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  there's an interesting moment where they turn and watch the
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  body Flow by Anakin and Tarkin are in the foreground and
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  Obi-Wan is between them in the background.
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  Like he's the only one standing between it can and Tarkin, oh, I
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  don't like that. I didn't notice that it's
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  interesting. Well, it's the same thing.
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  When we see it at quaggans, funeral pyre.
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  Oh yeah. I love that.
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  You know, that mmm, the only thing between Palpatine and
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  little Anakin is Qui-Gon Padme and Obi-Wan and eventually
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  Palpatine gets rid of all of them.
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  Basically. Yeah.
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  Not not so much Obi-Wan, but you know what I mean.
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  Good enough to ruin the man. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So at the end we got to talk
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  about the end because it's it's the best part.
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  Yes, it's really important and it's basically the Crux of
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  everything we've been talking. A about, well I love this on
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  many levels. Well, first of all, local bloke
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  who just takes one for the whole fucking team, he including it
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  Sokka, he's straight up with his lies but he said it in that
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  riddle way that Obi-Wan a Dobson and New Hope and Empire Strikes
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  Back and you know the Jedi riddle talk.
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  Yeah. When opposed I did, you know,
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  plow could is one of the only Jedi who stays positive and like
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  keeps the faith like no matter what, he's an OG.
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  Yes, he is so G. He's so positive because idea
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  Gaya and master Tim Tintin. Yeah, 1010.
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  They are Saucy the are, and the Rosanna see fast.
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  Sorry, but they both are kind of like, well, you know, it's it's
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  going to be tight and I'm not sure.
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  We're gonna be able to do it and master pose.
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  Just like, I'm sure you'll do your best like yeah.
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  Yes. Like do your job.
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  Just go in and do it. Like I love and also he says in
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  midair tin. He says, I don't know that we're
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  gonna make it there's too much and and cloak was like, you
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  gotta go, you just gotta do it, you got, it's now or never
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  committed. Let's just can't do it.
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  I love this, love him. So after that little lie, he
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  tells to cover seok has asked for her because of course, he
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  would protect little Soka no matter what Course then there's
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  that exchange between Anakin and Tarkin and then after that
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  Obi-Wan and Anakin, which is really.
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  But but the Tarkin and Anakin business, they show their hands
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  pointedly. Mmm.
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  And they show Anakin shakes his hand with his metal arm hmm.
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  Which is obviously a sign and they play The Imperial.
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  March of course a few beats as they focus on Anakin which I
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  fuck. I'm a sucker for every single
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  time but I the metal arm shake is rather symbolic because he's
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  metal, but by the time, hmm, he's all metal.
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  Basically by the time they meet back up and really join forces.
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  Well, in Tarkin is one of the few people who know Vader is
• 21:29
  Anakin right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I think
• 21:34
  so. I mean, he's gonna go talk to
• 21:36
  Palpatine. Throw nose, right?
• 21:38
  Isn't there a wrong suspects? Thron suspected but I don't
• 21:42
  think it's ever said in the book The On an antiquing with the
• 21:46
  called Alliance or something. I read it.
• 21:48
  I can't remember the name, sorry.
• 21:50
  But I think it's called alliances that he suspected
• 21:54
  based on Anakin's pattern of speech and dialect hadn't quite
• 21:59
  changed over to full Vader. There was still like young
• 22:02
  Anakin in it, and he knew Anakin before Vader and his speech
• 22:06
  pattern. And the way he held his
• 22:07
  lightsaber was indication. It's like, you know, throw on
• 22:11
  picks up on the subtleties. Yeah, he's like a freakin nature
• 22:14
  and I think He said to him Master us, something about like
• 22:19
  Skywalker, something something and and Vader at the time, just
• 22:24
  turned on him. Just turned and left and didn't
• 22:27
  say anything. And like thrown suspicion was
• 22:28
  never confirmed. Hmm, But he was pretty certain.
• 22:32
  Yeah. But then Vader knew that he knew
• 22:34
  and nobody said anything, and it's great.
• 22:35
  So I'm just, I'm wondering. If Tarkin did the same Target,
• 22:40
  says in a new hope. There's that sequence where he
• 22:42
  says, that he thinks 0 b 1 is helping the Or something and
• 22:46
  Tarkin says to him. You are the last of that
• 22:49
  religion or something like that, doesn't he?
• 22:53
  So I think. Yeah, that he is Anakin
• 22:57
  Skywalker, I think. Yeah, I feel fairly certain but
• 23:01
  he dies. So it's fine.
• 23:02
  Yes, that's weird. Those secret goes with them.
• 23:05
  Bye-bye. So they are crushing on each
• 23:07
  other the entire time in this episode because of like, they
• 23:11
  have similar ideas. And then oh, you're in with
• 23:14
  Palpatine. I'm In with pal tea.
• 23:16
  Lemon. I happen to know Palpatine to.
• 23:18
  Oh yeah, well I had drinks with them last Friday.
• 23:21
  Oh yeah. Well my wife is from his Planet.
• 23:25
  So you know, pissing contest seriously.
• 23:30
  They kind of like our one-upping each other but also, it makes
• 23:33
  them kind of like, I like you. You're my friend.
• 23:36
  It's really yeah, if we aren't you didn't you must be cool.
• 23:39
  Yeah, exactly. Cool.
• 23:41
  With you. If he's cool with you, except
• 23:43
  he's not fucking cool. He's not cool help.
• 23:48
  None of these people are not cool.
• 23:49
  Not cool. Oh, papa, teen: not cool.
• 23:54
  Not Palpatine's:. Palpatine:.
• 23:57
  Not cool. That's a sticker Palpatine's:.
• 24:03
  Not cool. That's also a sticker.
• 24:06
  That's also a sticker. Anyway, the end of this episode.
• 24:17
  So we get, we get to the good, the Crux of the episode, the
• 24:22
  point of all points, which is delivered by Obi-Wan to Anakin
• 24:26
  which I I fucking love this because it's as tarkan's walking
• 24:30
  away and open one really will lives this.
• 24:34
  I think what does more than most other Jedi absolutely, and what
• 24:38
  he talks about he Lives all the way through his to the very end
• 24:42
  of his life. Yes.
• 24:44
  And I and it's honor. It struck me while he was saying
• 24:47
  it too because Anakin is married and has already compromised his
• 24:52
  Jedi oath. Hmm.
• 24:55
  So when you do one it's easy to do another and just kind of keep
• 24:59
  slipping. Yeah, so 0 b 1 says to him
• 25:02
  unfortunately War tends to distort our point of view.
• 25:06
  If we sacrifice our code even for victory, we may lose That,
• 25:10
  which is most important. Our honor.
• 25:14
  Yes. The moral of the episode, the
• 25:16
  screen is without honor, Victory is Halo above that which is talk
• 25:23
  about setting the stage and then wrapping it up with honor.
• 25:27
  Yeah. Because Anakin loses all of his
• 25:30
  however, he regains his honor in his very last decision before he
• 25:34
  dies. Mm-hmm.
• 25:35
  But Obi-Wan lives it over and over and over again.
• 25:39
  It's really something. Thing some of these
• 25:40
  conversations that they have remind me of conversations he
• 25:43
  has with Satine because she pushes him from the other side
• 25:48
  of the argument. He's always talking about their
• 25:51
  peacekeepers and she's like yeah are you yeah right.
• 25:56
  A real Peacekeeper wouldn't be killing people but she's not
• 26:00
  coming from the pacifism point of view which is different.
• 26:03
  They're both trying to be honorable hmm.
• 26:06
  But Anakin reveals in his statement before Obi-Wan gives
• 26:10
  his final thought, um, that we're gonna lose what that which
• 26:15
  we hold most dear or something and I couldn't help, but think
• 26:18
  that he's meaning like they're hinting at Padme mmm in the
• 26:22
  lengths that he would go to, to save her in the name of
• 26:26
  disowning honor. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:28
  And it's interesting too because honor like Ahsoka and pleau Coon
• 26:33
  both lie and this and I know it is implied.
• 26:38
  That Ahsoka becomes the Most important part of the mission,
• 26:42
  having the information, but look how she came about it.
• 26:45
  Exactly. So it's like she that is not
• 26:48
  necessarily honorable how she joined the mission and how she.
• 26:52
  Well that's that's why she said to Evan peel as he's dying.
• 26:56
  I shouldn't be listening to this.
• 26:57
  I wasn't even supposed to be here, I cheated.
• 27:00
  Yeah, come here. Yeah.
• 27:01
  And she knew it was wrong to be the one to take the codes.
• 27:05
  So I think she learned that lesson on her own hopefully,
• 27:08
  right. But we We're that moment that
• 27:10
  she doesn't like say that when Anakin calls her out, right at
• 27:14
  the end, she just stands there and like lowers her head.
• 27:16
  And then plug Coon is the one. Who's like, she knew she knew it
• 27:20
  was coming and she was ready to take it.
• 27:22
  But then pleiku legume just kind of oh well these Gonna Save my
• 27:29
  ass these honorable lying bullshit.
• 27:33
  Well it's just it's it begs the question there's so much Gray.
• 27:37
  Right. For sure.
• 27:39
  All of this, you know, sometimes making the wrong decision and
• 27:44
  going about it the wrong way. Like, Ahsoka is beneficial.
• 27:48
  It turns out, okay, in the end and then there's the opposite
• 27:51
  where you think you're doing the right thing Anakin and you fuck
• 27:55
  up an entire galaxy for fucking decades because of it.
• 27:58
  That's such a good gizzard. His, although based in
• 28:01
  selfishness and fear his going into trying to save Padme was
• 28:06
  out of love for her. Her and a little bit for
• 28:08
  himself. Yeah, again fear-based we could
• 28:12
  go back into what he was raised and all this at the end of the
• 28:15
  day. I think he did it to do a good
• 28:17
  thing and he sold himself to do it and was never able to do it
• 28:22
  and then there's Obi-Wan who never sold himself not once.
• 28:26
  And you know, what did that result in all loss and so does
• 28:31
  kind of in the middle? She straddled the line that's
• 28:34
  this is so this is such a brilliant Point.
• 28:36
  You're making Because it's kind of actually pointing out you're
• 28:41
  damned if you do and damned if you don't.
• 28:44
  Well, that's what I'm saying. Like is the force really at work
• 28:47
  or is, you know, it's the old, the Vikings.
• 28:51
  They believe their Destiny was completely pre-written and if
• 28:54
  the gods willed it, then it would be its kind of the same
• 28:57
  thing. If the force wills it then it
• 28:59
  will be. Do we really have a say in
• 29:01
  everything that we do? Sure.
• 29:02
  Do me? Good question, damned if you do
• 29:05
  damned if you don't you can try and do all that.
• 29:07
  Right things? Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I
• 29:10
  don't know, maybe it just comes down to that individual person
• 29:13
  right and a case-by-case basis because like you said, you could
• 29:17
  have really good intentions. Like if your intention is out of
• 29:20
  love, that's a beautiful thing, but it can still lead to like a
• 29:24
  lot of Destruction and Damnation soda leak.
• 29:27
  So this is such a fun question. It's kind of rhetorical.
• 29:32
  There's no real answer there and I don't have an answer.
• 29:35
  He'll know there is I don't know that we're Oh, Stu right.
• 29:39
  Right. And it's interesting that they
• 29:42
  kind of led us into this or have this episode because the
• 29:47
  argument is always, selflessness is good and the Jedi the true
• 29:52
  Jedi way and selfishness is the Sith, but it doesn't mean that
• 29:58
  being selfless is painless correct without Devastation and
• 30:05
  being a Sith actually, They feel pretty good.
• 30:09
  Most of the time most of the time till everything falls apart
• 30:13
  for them, which It ultimately does for each member of the Sith
• 30:17
  at like one point or another things go bad, but they seem to
• 30:20
  be pretty happy until that happens.
• 30:25
  I don't, I don't really know. It's just the age-old question,
• 30:30
  you know? Yeah.
• 30:32
  What are we all doing here? You know what?
• 30:34
  What forces at play every In every age.
• 30:39
  Every, I'm talking, every separate community on this
• 30:42
  planet before we were all connected, had the same belief,
• 30:45
  good and evil. You know, a higher power or
• 30:48
  whatever. Multiple high up.
• 30:50
  Higher power is all like, intervening and how we do things
• 30:53
  and I don't know. It's really, it comes down.
• 30:57
  Is it all part of the plan? Because like, so cool was kind
• 30:59
  of selfish and it worked out, right.
• 31:03
  She learned a good lesson along the way along the way.
• 31:07
  They may be Ahsoka is all of us and Obi-Wan and Anakin are good.
• 31:10
  Angel bad Angel. Yeah, I think that's, that's
• 31:14
  really more because we're no one is perfect.
• 31:16
  Right Who, as a kid growing up, didn't learn a hard lesson by
• 31:20
  telling a lie at some point and you're like, wow, that didn't
• 31:22
  that didn't go well or yeah, you know, maybe it did go well and
• 31:27
  you keep lying all your life. It's like ultimately comes down
• 31:30
  to a choice. Like, what kind of person do you
• 31:32
  want to be whatever? The out thing, you know?
• 31:35
  Because no one's guaranteed a good.
• 31:37
  Ending Star Wars with all these deep questions Wars.
• 31:42
  I'm telling you, I feel like we just talked in a circle and I
• 31:45
  don't even know what my own point of view old.
• 31:48
  Wow, it's a certain point of view.
• 31:50
  Yes. But what is it?
• 31:53
  I don't know. Welcome to the Citadel of Life.
• 31:59
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• 32:00
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• 32:06
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• 32:17
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• 32:19
  I'm actually pretty excited about this.
• 32:20
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• 32:25
  We'll talk about our favorites, but then we did a poll on social
• 32:28
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• 32:31
  followers and we are going to discuss those next week.
• 32:34
  Yeah, I saw a preview of them on our Instagram and they all look
• 32:39
  really good. I can't wait to sift through
• 32:41
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• 32:42
  Yes. It's going to be There are some
• 32:44
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