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The Problem With Community Managers & Entryism | Badgerpod GamerGate 5 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio and Honey Badger Arcade. I'm
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  your host, Brian here using the Vivian James puppet. No, I am
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  not a YouTuber. No I am not confused about my gender. This is
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  simply a symbol of what it is that we are fighting for in the culture
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  war, at least this sort of corner of it. And this is Badger
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  Pod gamer Gate, the return of Badger Pod gamer Gate. We needs to
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  do this back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, it looks like it is
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  now necessary once again, so welcome everyone to the show wherever you might be
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  okay, So Badger Pod gamer Gate is basically a series that we used
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  to do back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen that discusses everything that was going
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  on with the gamer gate hashtag and now that Gamergate has sort of well,
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  if you ask me, it never went away. Like the whole thing is
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  essentially a massive cultural attack that's happening to our space, and the purpose of
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  it is to I think, re engineer society, direct and force behaviors,
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  as mister Larry Fink says, and we are aware of it. We know
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  what they're doing, and we should be able to speak out. So that's
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  what we are up to. Okay. So I am currently in Twitter spaces
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  and I see there's a few people in here already. So if you guys
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  want to join the Twitter space, I could call on you to like basically,
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  you know, if you have a few things that you want to say,
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  I'll make you into a speaker temporarily, let you say some stuff we're
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  regarding, like you know, the the topic. And before we get into
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  that, though, there's a couple of news items I want to talk about,
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  and then I'll take some of your commentary. I see we got chit
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  chat cat and problematic white guy dev David Devan welcome. If you guys want
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  to be called on, I think you can like raise your hand. I'm
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  not really sure how this works in Twitter spaces, but I'll figure it out.
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  I've done it like once before, so it can be a bit a
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  bit tough. But we're gonna look at some stuff going on in in the
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  space, and I think it's good stuff. So bear just okay to be
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  aware. So you guys know grums. His name is Mark Kern. He
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  is a game developer. He used to work for Blizzard Entertainment and was a
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  big man in charge of the production of games like StarCraft and World of Warcraft,
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  so no slouch in that department. He was pretty active during gamer Gay
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  back in twenty fourteen, but he has definitely stepped up a lot more.
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  I think that in the amount of time that has passed, him and a
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  lot of other people have become more aware of, like I guess you know,
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  how serious it is, how important culture is. I don't know about
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  you, but I don't want to live in a world of brutalist structures and
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  no art and no fun. It is a tool of demoralization. It is
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  intended to destroy our will and our desire for beauty, and I want to
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  fight against that. I feel very strongly about that, and that's why gamer
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  game matters to me. So anyway, Grums has been pretty vocal. Essentially,
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  he's turned into the lives of TikTok for Gamergate. All he does is
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  he goes and posts the kind of things that various community managers and people in
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  HR and other sort of positions of tremendous social power are saying. And he's
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  just putting it out there and sharing it with people. It's their words,
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  and they hate him for it. It is like they say, you know,
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  in the what is it in the in the New Testament, they hated
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  Jesus because he told them the truth. It's basically that. So, oh
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  hey in q CEL, welcome, So what is the deal with There's a
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  couple of things about this that I really want to touch on. So what
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  is the deal with these community managers? So I'm not one to like get
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  into every little event every time somebody tweets or every little thing that comes out
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  of Twitter, because it's it's sort of an endless slog and I think that
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  it's more useful to sort of say, here is the pattern, here's where
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  it comes from, this is what you're dealing with. Okay, so this
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  is from that park place. Jonathan Trent is a friend of the channel.
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  I have interviewed him on HBr along with John Dela Ros. I also have
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  one of his websites, which is fandom Pulse on here as well. Just
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  a quick shout out to those guys. If you're not following them, you
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  should, because they're doing good work over there. They're not They're trying to
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  do real journalism and tell us what's really going on, and not all of
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  it is sort of like culture war oriented, and it's just legitimately informative.
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  And I think that if they became a more viable platform, then we can
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  get you know, we can essentially like benefit more as a culture from people
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  who are being honest. So the headline of this article is hell Divers to
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  community manager declares game is quote pretty woke end quote, and reveals game was
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  banning individuals deemed bigots, transphobes, homophobes, and racists. And I don't
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  know if you guys are aware of Hell Divers too, but tremendously popular game
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  right now. It's it's got memes all over the Internet. And one of
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  the main reasons why I think it's very popular is because it is made by
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  people who just wanted to make a fun game for the most part. The
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  problem is is that sometimes developers, programmers and the people who are doing the
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  really hard work of essentially keeping the games up to date, keeping everything working,
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  and making sure that we're all having fun, they don't have the time
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  to essentially manage communities and communicate with the customers, you know, like and
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  get feedback from those customers, so they hire community managers. Also, a
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  lot of times these guys are kind of introverted and it's not really like what
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  they're good at, so they get people that they think would be would fit
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  the bill. And the problem with that is that's where the entryism happens.
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  And so you have this this event, this sort of it's not even an
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  event. It's a climate of human resources people and community managers and moderators and
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  people who run the forums and discussions and all that, and they're all politically
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  like infected. I'll just say, as as Gad Sad says, they have
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  this woke social justice parasite that they're carrying with them because they picked it up
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  in their universities and in schools and it's all around them, so they just
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  take it with them into the workplace. This is why, by the way,
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  when you point out what they're doing is woke, they they're actually kind
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  of like shocked because they think that their perspective is common sense. They think
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  that what they're doing is just like normal, like any decent, normal human
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  beings should believe these things that I believe, and they don't realize that they're
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  actually like pretty insufferable. So let's read a little bit of this article.
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  Hell Divers two community manager Catherine Baskin declares that the game is pretty woke and
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  reveals the game was an individuals she and the developer Arrowhead Game Studios, deemed
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  bigots, transphobes, homophobes, and racists. As brought to public attention by
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  Mark Kern aka grums on x last month, Baskin replied to a Steam curator
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  list that recommended hell Divers too and claimed the game was not woke. She
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  initially just wrote LMAO. However, in a response later in the thread,
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  she wrote, plus, Helldivers is pretty woke, dog because, like you
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  know, overweight white chicks should not say dog as like a way to accent
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  their sentence. Just a word of advice. Don't don't. It sounds wrong.
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  And you know, we minorities, we haven't said dog like that in
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  like decades, So you just look like a boomer. Anyway, game was
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  made by a lot of LGBTQ and brown people and black people and women,
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  and it's a big satire of jingoism. She added, It amuses me they
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  don't know that Super Earth is bad. It also explains a lot about the
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  world at present. Okay, So I just want to apply to this in
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  a couple of ways. So I got into a little bit of a spat,
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  and I want to get into a little bit of the I don't like
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  again to get into the minutia because it's not as important as the overall pattern.
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  But I guess I see this as an opportunity to show you, like,
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  why does she believe this even though we don't, Okay, because like
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  we're looking at the same thing, but she's seeing something different from us.
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  We know that what's happening is it's kind of like there's a send up of
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  all of these kind of eighties and nineties, you know, military flicks,
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  mostly taking from Starship Troopers, but not exclusively. That's what the first game
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  was. Like, I played the first game, and it's just like the
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  It's just more like the esthetic. It's not like they were saying, this
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  is our politics and we're putting it in the game. So when you're just
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  putting like an esthetic or a theme of something and you make it look silly,
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  I mean, the game is comical, you know as hell, while
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  also being pretty violent. These people don't see that because they don't they don't
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  know what fun is. So to them everything has to mean something. And
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  so what happened on Twitter was somebody was echoing these statements and I said,
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  so what makes well? I actually started by saying, actually, it's not
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  jingoism and it's not fascism, because it was an ign guy that said,
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  oh yeah, it's fascism, but it's fun, right, Like we needed
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  to hear the first part of that, Like, who cares, I don't
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  care what it is, like, is the game fun? That's it.
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  See the fact that they even say, well it's fascist or it's jingoist or
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  whatever, but it's fun. They're they're still sending the first part of that
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  message there still want you to think of it in this negative way, even
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  though they're saying, but no, but you know what, I'm kidding,
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  bro, it's kind of like, you know, it's like that I'm just
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  saying meme, like just saying, you know, no, you're not just
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  saying you're trying to deliver a message, but you don't want to get caught
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  out because you're doing it in such a like cowardly way. Really, it's
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  a it's a cowards way. Why don't you just admit that you're alert to
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  fun and move on because the rest of us are just having fun. Well
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  anyway, I said, well, it's it's it's actually managed democracy, and
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  that's how they describe it. Now, I'm not for managed democracy. That's
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  but that's not really what this whole thing is about. It's not about what
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  I like or dislike in the real world. I'm just pointing out what the
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  game's themes are, right, And somebody got like, you know, like
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  tried to like educate me on what it was even and tried to insult my
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  intelligence, saying, well, you know, I feel like I'm arguing with
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  myself from when I was nine years old herder and I say, you know,
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  this sounds like what you're trying to do is you're trying to make the
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  case that the faction that the players play as, which is super Earth,
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  is worse than the people that were fighting against, which are the automatons and
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  the bugs, right, And he was like, well they are. And
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  I was like, well, based on what, like what's an automatons society
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  look like? What does a bug society look like? Do we really want
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  that? What happens if every player in the game stops playing the game?
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  You know what happens, I mean, besides the servers being shut down,
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  the bugs and automatons move in on Super Earth and annihilate everybody. So that's
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  like it's a war. That's it. It's a war like and and it
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  bugs me because they're trying to they're trying to put their morality into it.
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  They're trying to make it fit into this fictional world of giant bugs and robots
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  and humans like that, I mean, like the and they're saying the humans
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  are worse, and it sort of shows like what they think like and to
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  bring it to something political in the real world, it's that you know,
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  you are the carbon. They're trying to reduce like I just saw like a
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  I forget her name, but she was like a woman who studies gorillas and
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  like primates and primatologists, I think they call it. And she was at
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  the World Economic Forum saying that we need to reduce the human population to ten
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  percent. Like that's she's the woman that would say, you know, the
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  humans in hell Divers too, are actually the villains and the bugs should eat
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  them all and kill them or the robots. So it's like, this isn't
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  about the game. It tells you what is in their hearts, like what
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  they really think and I and I said, so to me, it sounds
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  like Warhammer forty thousands, So if you guys are familiar with Warhammer forty thousand
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  or Warhammer forty k as a lot of people call it today, like the
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  human faction or the imperium of man is like no one in that world is
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  good, okay, Like let's get this straight. There is no good side,
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  but the imperium of man is probably the least awful. And I said,
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  well maybe, I mean, like you could argue at least that they're
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  the most like us, like as humans. And I asked them about that
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  and he said, no, like they're at least as bad, if not
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  worse. And I'm like, worse than like the chaos demons, worse than
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  the fucking like the dark Eldar, like worse than these other actions. Are
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  you fucking kidding me? But yeah, of course they believe that. So
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  so when she says that this stuff, like this person that's in charge of
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  communication between the developers and the customer base, they're saying this, and you
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  can see that, like, first of all, you can see what they
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  think about humanity, but especially what they think about gamers because these people,
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  community managers, HR people, et cetera. They hate gamers, Okay,
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  and they do, and it's like they're like the worst people to hire on
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  So and they're all wrong about this. Like again, if you can't just
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  see it for what it is, which is a video game, then you
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  probably shouldn't work there. And and I advise because like people were saying,
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  oh, no, is hell divers woke? No, I don't think it
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  is, Like I think that what we have to maintain is That's why I'm
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  bringing all this up. The thing that we have to understand is that these
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  people will interpret whatever they want out of it. And they will try to
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  gaslight you into thinking something that isn't true. But I think you can tell
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  if something is shoving political politics down your throat and if something is simply you
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  know, has like political elements in it. For the most part, Hell
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  Divers is a action team based co op game, period and everything else is
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  just the backdrop for it. So you know, you can you can argue
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  as jingoist or militaristic or whatever, that doesn't matter. It's like saying Call
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  of Duty is right wing? Like why but this is what they would say
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  though, Like that you see what I'm saying, like it's it's it's silly,
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  but this makes an important point about something else. So I made a
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  video on the channel Honey Badger Arcade about entryism and how these people do like
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  enter into our our into into any space and they basically convert it into a
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  woke space. First of all. Oh but before I keep going, let
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  me know, like, how do I sound? Does the sound? Does
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  it sound? Okay? I know that I got background music playing above me
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  right now, and I don't know if that's like really really distracting. If
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  it is, I'll lower the volume on it a little bit more. You
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  might not even hear it. Actually, now that I think about it,
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  I don't see any Oh no, it's it's playing. It's playing. It's
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  just really low. Okay, I sound fine, thank you. Yeah,
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  it's barely audible. Okay, I'm gonna raise it a little bit more because
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  I don't I mean, I want it to be like low, but not
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  not like silent. Everything sounds fine, okay, So anyway, I'll read
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  some more. She added, it amuses me. They don't know that Super
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  Earth is bad. It also explains a lot about the world at present.
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  So what she's suggesting is is that if you don't think Super Earth is bad,
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  it means that you're bad because she thinks that they're bad. That's what
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  when she says, it also explains a lot about the world at present,
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  That's what she's saying. She is criticizing you for having the wrong views.
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  Okay. In the same thread, basket and reveal that she and developer Arrowhead
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  Game Studios were banning individuals from the games discord that they deemed as bigots.
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  She wrote, we only banned the bigots. Transphobes, homophobes, racist,
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  et cetera. Are not welcome in our computer in our community. Sorry,
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  we had to restrict the topics in the HD two general chats for a while
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  because it was triggering massive waves of hate speech, which our staff was struggling
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  with emotionally. She added, So this was when somebody said, didn't they
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  ban people from the discord for suggesting they add LGBTQ colored capes, which I
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  heard is true. Now again, so we have this community manager. She's
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  obviously a communist. I'm just gonna call them communists. Is that okay?
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  Do you mind if I call them communists? She's, you know, a
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  communist, and she's basically saying, no, we only banned the bigots.
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  So she gets to decide who the bigots are, and she gets to be
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  involved with the banning. And she also, because she's the community manager,
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  according to Grums, who spoke about this at length on a couple podcasts earlier
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  this week, she gets to decide like what the people who run Arrowhead Studios
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  that are not doing community management stuff, she gets to essentially interpret. She
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  is the filter. So when they ask her like what does this community look
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  like? Or you know who, how do these people feel about this game
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  or whatever, she's the one that gets to say well, we do have
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  some bigots, we should get rid of them, and they'll just be like
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  okay, go ahead, right, Like there's no discernment because these guys don't
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  have time because they're busy working on the game, you know. I mean,
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  like especially Hell Divers too, because it's like a real time sort of
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  like you know, it's like one of these games that evolves, so they
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  need people constantly working on it to change things, ad missions, ad you
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  know, elements whatever. It's almost like there's a game master that runs Hell
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  Divers too, so she can essentially say these people are bad wrong and these
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  people, you know, could stay or whatever, and that is the problem.
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  So going back to what I was saying about entryism, and then I'll
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  take some requests from people. The way that entryism works is like this a
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  person. Step one. They ask to be included in the space. Now.
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  Usually this is a very difficult place to stop people unless you're gonna have
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  the time to basically be like really inquisitive and be like, okay, well
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  what is your interest in this? Right? So they will ask to be
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  included now. That's usually an easy one for them to pass. Like I
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  said before, people don't tend to be exclusive on things. So this will
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  use this woman as an example Baskin. So she's like, oh, I
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  like video games too, May I join your company? I would like to
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  be involved, and they would like see you know, they're oh, yeah,
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  sure, why not. This is usually how it starts. The second
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  step is they start asking for accommodation. So she'll be in there and she'll
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  be like, we know, I like this place a lot, Like I'm
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  totally a video game nerd and everything, and I love games, but like,
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  well, you know, this isn't really like really super welcoming to women.
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  Can we do something about that? Like I mean, just you know,
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  maybe maybe I can have like my own little position and over here,
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  you know, like I don't know if I want to be with these guys
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  like a boys club, and I think that needs to change. And so
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  what they'll do this is the step that's important. This is when you have
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  to be like wait a minute, like I don't think you're legit. But
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  a lot of people miss this step, and so they're like, Okay,
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  we'll make some accommodations. We'll you know, we'll we'll we'll make some changes
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  around here, and all of a sudden, they change the climate or the
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  environment. Right, It's kind of like what happens you know, on the
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  on Badel life streams. I talk to guys in the military, like veterans,
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  right or they're currently enlisted and they and they you know, they get
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  deployed here or there. And now there was a couple of guys I spoke
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  to and I asked them about women in their units and they said that,
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  you know, they very very infrequently had women in their units. And the
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  reason is because the moment a woman joins a unit, and it doesn't matter
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  if the women are there just to do the work, it changes the dynamic
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  completely, like all of a sudden, the men are going to behave differently
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  just because there's a woman there. And there are a number of policy issues
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  that make that whole thing just hard to deal with, right. So let's
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  so even in the places where it's probably the most crucial for people to be
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  hardcore focused on the on the job, a little bit of accommodation can essentially
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  throw that like all the way out. Imagine being in a military unit and
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  there's someone there and you know that no one is operating at one hundred percent
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  like that, it's like the stakes. The risk is just too high,
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  right. So the second step is they ask for accommodation. The third step
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  is that they want a seat at the table. They want to have some
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  kind of power over a small like area. Maybe they ask for a department.
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  Maybe they ask for a certain position. Maybe they ask for like a
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  new department to be created, you know, or they asked to be community
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  managers like this woman. And when they get a seat at the table,
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  they start using that seat at the table to essentially try to take over the
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  whole table. Okay, and that's the next step. They take over the
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  whole table, and they'll do it. That could take a while, or
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  it can be very fast. Sometimes you could just use something like me too,
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  which has been done to take over entire companies. I think, and
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  you know, maybe maybe you don't agree, or I don't know, but
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  I think that the me too movement was what was used to kick a bunch
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  of people out of Blizzard. I think it was used in a lot of
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  different areas to essentially throw men out and replace them with women, because that's
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  usually how it works, and they get power that way. It worked in
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  the animation industry, and I think it worked in the video game industry in
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  large part. I think it works in politics. It's worked in the corporate
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  level, in the boardrooms, it's worked everywhere. So they start demanding control
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  of the table, and then they want to control the whole space. And
• 23:27
  that's when you've lost it. Now if when they have a scene at the
• 23:30
  table, it is still possible to stop them. And what has to happen
• 23:36
  is that the people at the top have to number one girl spine and be
• 23:40
  willing to fire people. But also they have to be made aware of what
• 23:44
  is happening. If you look at Disney, the people at Disney, they're
• 23:48
  all possessed now, like when Walt was there. When Walt was alive,
• 23:52
  even this process had probably already started, Like maybe it was at the very
• 23:57
  like bottom levels, but it was probably already started. And now that Walt
• 24:02
  is like long dead and gone and these people run everything, there's almost no
• 24:06
  way to get it back. Okay, So this is entryism, and and
• 24:11
  there's a there's an extra insidious version of entryism that we call stochastic entryism,
• 24:18
  and that's what DEI is. So DEI is used to get people who are
• 24:26
  of from marginalized groups and women, which are not marginalized because there's literally a
• 24:32
  majority of them, but they count because patriarchy it's used to get them into
• 24:37
  these positions. And what the why it's it's called stochastic entrism, is that
• 24:45
  the people who are enforcing the dei they're banking on Essentially, it's like they're
• 24:49
  betting on the odds that the people that they're going to get in are also
• 24:52
  going to be woke people that want to change the that want to invite more
• 24:56
  of their woke friends. Because think of it like this, if you had
• 25:00
  to get into something on merit alone, then you're most likely gonna be really
• 25:04
  resistant to any likes kind of affirmative action, because you're gonna be like,
• 25:08
  well, I worked hard for this, and so I want I want to
• 25:11
  work in this position. But if you get in and you're convinced that the
• 25:15
  only reason why you got it was because of some system that was put in
• 25:19
  place to ensure that you got a position or increase your odds, and that
• 25:23
  otherwise you would never have gotten it because of systemic oppression and institutional systems of
• 25:30
  systemicness, then you're gonna be more likely to not just like treat your job
• 25:36
  as something that you are entitled to along with anything else you get out of
• 25:40
  it. But you're gonna be more likely to bring on more people, and
• 25:42
  you're all gonna have chips on your shoulder because you're convinced that you don't that
• 25:47
  you know you would, you're being kept out by like bigoted people, and
• 25:52
  so this will it's gonna have a domino effect and it's gonna it's gonna essentially
• 25:56
  destroy the company. And these people are okay with that. Money is a
• 26:00
  part of it, but I think mostly it's there is a glee in having
• 26:03
  this power, you know, the power to be community manager or hr that
• 26:08
  those are extremely powerful positions that people take for granted. So anyway, I
• 26:15
  wanted to use that to say that I don't think Hell Divers Too is lost
• 26:19
  yet, but I hope. I don't know how it's gonna happen, but
• 26:22
  the guys at Arrowhead Studios they have to keep up an eye on these people.
• 26:27
  I'm sure. I'm sure that there are like LGBTQ people and people of
• 26:32
  color that work there, but that doesn't mean they're woke. Because what she's
• 26:36
  saying is if you're anti woke, you're anti blacks and gays and women.
• 26:41
  But that's not what it is, like you're anti communists. That's what it
• 26:45
  is. That's what it is. Anti woke is anti communists. So all
• 26:48
  right, anyway, I'm gonna take some requests from people inside of the Twitter
• 26:53
  space. So let me go ahead and see who is asking to talk.
• 26:59
  And I'm gonna prove in q cell, let's see if he can speak.
• 27:03
  I'm just gonna wait and see if he talks. In q cel, I
• 27:06
  gave you permission to talk. I think can you talk? You might have
• 27:17
  to unmute if you can. Meanwhile, if you guys want to send a
• 27:21
  super chat or a super chow, I will read it on the show.
• 27:26
  So all right, see now I will approve of chitchatcat to talk to Okay,
• 27:34
  chit chat Cat, welcome to the thing. What do you want to
• 27:41
  say, sir, chitcat Cat, you're muted a mutant talk? Go ahead.
• 27:49
  So I'm not sure if you saw that the community manager for Arrow hit
• 27:55
  mi caw. That was true. She changed her profile, but what was
• 28:00
  the information was still kept the same, So I think maybe Arrow it's like
• 28:03
  all right, change and stuff. It's a bit problematic, But she didn't
• 28:07
  actually change it because for example, initially there was a Palestinian flag in a
• 28:11
  bio and if you were at and she changed the flag to like a watermelon
• 28:15
  or something, yeah, it's like the new provia not to support Palestine exactly.
• 28:22
  And that's what I wanted to mention, because most people aren't away of
• 28:25
  the fact that the water milan is like the new Palestinian flag, because most
• 28:30
  people aren't away of like, oh this this is a subtle way of saying,
• 28:33
  you support Palestine. And so for me, it's the fact that she
• 28:37
  was able to like have this kind of profile while working at a company is
• 28:41
  obviously concerning because as you mentioned now with inturism, once these people get in,
• 28:45
  they're going to try and find ways to get more people. And a
• 28:48
  lot of people were saying, oh no, just because she's woke doesn't mean
• 28:52
  the company is woke. The issue that a lot of people fail to understand
• 28:56
  is that there is an enforcement making that exists with all community managers, whereby
• 29:02
  it's a west Per network and they all tell each other that what they need
• 29:04
  to do, and it's much similar to the west Per network we add with
• 29:08
  the game journalists. Back in the early days of game again. And it's
• 29:12
  also it's also happening in the comic book industry that the people who got Atis
• 29:18
  Pasker Pisker to take to take his own life. Yeah, it's there's Whisper
• 29:23
  networks everywhere. It's it's women, guys, it's women mostly. Okay,
• 29:30
  go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah no. And the thing it just took
• 29:33
  about the WESTP networks, you need to just check. You need to look
• 29:36
  into the t TRPG wespin network. It makes what happened with Game and in
• 29:40
  comic scene like Charles play, because these people are actually psychopathic. They a
• 29:44
  researcher when to go and interview them, and she was like, uh,
• 29:47
  yeah, I don't know like what I saw, And then she did,
• 29:52
  I'm sorry. T t RPG like tabletop. Yeah, so the ttr Yeah,
• 29:56
  okay, okay, I want to look into that because I'm a big
• 30:00
  tabletop guy. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. And so that was the
• 30:04
  network. Obviously what happened like were Game again, Jason's Tride and a lot
• 30:07
  of other people surprisingly were initially against the kind of tactics that a lot of
• 30:12
  the other journals wanted to use. And what that was network did was they
• 30:17
  attacked them and eventually they gave in. So now if you have a community
• 30:21
  or other network of community managers telling each other what to do, you're obviously
• 30:26
  going to have every single person that happens to be part of that network pushing
• 30:29
  the message because they don't want to get attacked. Because as much as Jason's
• 30:33
  Trier tries to claim that he is a pillar of moral integrity, he isn't.
• 30:37
  He's just like every other progressive you can come across. And so when
• 30:41
  someone like that is at a company, they're going to push the message.
• 30:45
  And mean for fact that HR also plays a part into this because HR does
• 30:49
  the hiring and firing. If this chick was working at my company, I
• 30:53
  would a FIRER because I'm like, you're bad for PR, You're bad for
• 30:56
  the company's reputation. You need to go. The fact that editor Kipti the
• 31:00
  memes, someone at HR said, hey, listen, you can still stay
• 31:04
  here and do what you're doing, but could you be more subtle about it?
• 31:07
  You could you not be like so out there so people don't make a
• 31:11
  hullabaloo about it. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, odds are that most
• 31:17
  of the people at Arrowhead are probably like to a to some degree in agreeance
• 31:23
  with her, like politically, or they would say they are I have no
• 31:27
  doubt about that. I think that they probably There is another factor to this
• 31:33
  too, is that if they just fired her, she could probably like wreck
• 31:37
  that company with like legislation and all this, because like I think that a
• 31:42
  lot of times these people they got their jobs by accusing people of racism and
• 31:48
  sexism and sexual harassment, et cetera. And so like, if you fire
• 31:52
  a woman, I mean, she'll just destroy your company with lawsuits. So
• 31:55
  they're probably like, Okay, okay, we don't want a media shit storm
• 31:59
  because like all of the mainstream journals are gonna come after us. Alissamercante will
• 32:04
  write articles right about Arrowhead Studios sexism, and it'll probably ruin them. So
• 32:09
  they're like, we have to negotiate. I mean, this is me being
• 32:13
  as charitable as possible to the developers. Odds are they're probably somewhat liberal and
• 32:17
  they're just like fine, and they're just asking her to stop drawing attention to
• 32:22
  them because they're trying to sell this game. But I think that there's also
• 32:27
  a legitimate fear that, you know, they could be canceled. Does that
• 32:32
  make sense it does make sense, and I do get that because obviously the
• 32:37
  way of the Americans. Are they even an American company all these somewhay else.
• 32:42
  I'm pretty sure they're an American company, but I don't know for sure.
• 32:45
  I I think that people in tech are like that. I think that
• 32:50
  they tend to be introverted. They tend to be you know, uh kind
• 32:53
  of not not socially, you know, power like in terms of their will
• 33:00
  and stuff. So I don't want to say cowards, but there is a
• 33:04
  lot of that, you know, especially when it comes again to being accused
• 33:07
  of bigotry. I think people are generally afraid of that because they're not that's
• 33:15
  you know all definitely, and because if I look back, Yesterda, I
• 33:17
  had a conversation with a bunch of people on political themes and idological messaging because
• 33:22
  there was a big disagreement. I'm not sure if you saw someone made a
• 33:24
  tweet about it. Like creatives face this battle of wanting to create something,
• 33:30
  but it could be made political by people. And when it comes obviously to
• 33:35
  the sideway, when we get into East g and everything else, I was
• 33:38
  free. I wanted to bring it up and as soon as I said ESG
• 33:43
  the holes of the space was like, no, no, no, that's
• 33:45
  a but that's a bit two conspiratorial and I don't think yeah, And I
• 33:50
  was just like, this isn't the conspiracy. We have all the evidence,
• 33:53
  but no, this is the issue that exists, like it exists. Yeah,
• 33:59
  and the issue that we sit with and that's the same thing that we
• 34:01
  saw what the community managers that a lot of people are like, oh no,
• 34:06
  the community manager being woke isn't a problem. But it's like, let's
• 34:08
  look at you UBI Soft for example, the community manager is a carbon copy
• 34:15
  of the one at Arrowhead. If you go look at a Twitter, same
• 34:19
  token points now retinal towards you. Be Soft is a woke company. And
• 34:23
  so it's like, we need to look at the fact that the kind of
• 34:28
  people that's working there. If someone is working as a red flag, we
• 34:31
  need to scrutinize the company because for example, when a lot of people,
• 34:36
  for me, like my way of entertaining video game is that's a any small
• 34:40
  way. And so for example, what the al divers I might be speaking
• 34:45
  on the correction is that you don't get to choose male or female. You
• 34:47
  get to choose body type right, Like, I think it's you get to
• 34:52
  choose like a multiro body type and then a more skinny one in what what
• 34:59
  are you talking about? Hell Divers? Yeah, yeah, it's like a
• 35:04
  bull there's like a bulky body type and a lean body type. They don't
• 35:07
  say male or female. I caught that right away, and I thought,
• 35:09
  you know, it could be because of that, but it also could have
• 35:13
  been just them trying to avoid like trouble altogether, because ultimately everyone in that
• 35:17
  game is faceless. There are there are no races, you know, and
• 35:22
  there are male voices and female voices, and there's no like middle ground,
• 35:25
  you know, like Caitlyn Jenner voice, Like there's no weird voice. So
• 35:31
  so I mean it could be. I'm inclined to think that most of the
• 35:37
  in most cases, when something appears to be woke, if it isn't like
• 35:39
  really in your face, it's probably like more than likely an incidental thing.
• 35:46
  I do think that there is that definitely, because like if you play Boulderskate
• 35:51
  three, when you when you make a cared to Bolli Gate three, some
• 35:53
  people say Bullis Gate three is not woke or whatever, because you know,
• 35:57
  Larryan is good to their customers. But yeah, a lot of people have
• 36:00
  said that, like they generally don't attack their customers. Put it that way.
• 36:04
  But when you make a character in Moldsgate three, Yeah, but when
• 36:08
  you make a character in boldis Gate three, you do get to choose non
• 36:12
  binary as a gender option, and they tell you it's called non binary.
• 36:15
  It's a male female non binary and other even though the body types are the
• 36:20
  same, there's just like a male body and a female body, right,
• 36:22
  So they're obviously like leaning into it enough that they don't. But again,
• 36:28
  some of this stuff is a fear of the backlash if they don't do it,
• 36:32
  rather than people from within the company pushing it. And I don't know
• 36:36
  which of those is the case. So I think that's why we have to
• 36:38
  like sort of exercise our own judgment. But give me some final thoughts and
• 36:43
  then I'm gonna move on to the next person. All right, I'll just
• 36:46
  say this, in regards to the whole body type thing, we do need
• 36:50
  to look at that also as another red flag, because so far we have
• 36:52
  the body types, we have the community manager and I'm not sure if you
• 36:55
  notice, the very same day it comes found Air community manager, there was
• 37:01
  like multiple articles that came out about it. I think that the same day
• 37:06
  or the next day of the Ubisoft one, not the Ubisoft one about the
• 37:12
  Adam which Arrowhead Yeah, okay, the Arrowhead one, yeah, Baskin,
• 37:17
  sure, yes, So multiple publications came out of the article but basically said,
• 37:22
  oh, the game of Gators have now win after helldivers to community manager.
• 37:28
  Yeah, I know, I know. But they're also trying to claim
• 37:30
  that the game is woke. So because I think there's a there's like another
• 37:32
  trick that could be happening when when Baskin says the game is woke, in
• 37:37
  my opinion, what they're what she's hoping you'll do is say, well,
• 37:40
  I'm not gonna play this game anymore or I'm not gonna buy it because she
• 37:44
  doesn't want you in the community. But I think if you just sort of
• 37:46
  embrace it and say I wouldn't I would disagree that it's woke, but I
• 37:51
  just played it anyway and just really double down on the on the militarism and
• 37:54
  the and the role playing of within the game, that'll that'll upset them because
• 37:59
  I think in a way they like take Lee and Okay, here's the thing.
• 38:02
  These people love feeling like they're better people than you, Right, That's
• 38:07
  like their favorite thing in the world to feel like they're better than you.
• 38:10
  I actually have a sound for that in here. I'm gonna play really quick
• 38:14
  if I can find it. But and and any opportunity that they can get
• 38:21
  to do that, they will do it any opportunity, right, Am I
• 38:25
  saying that I'm better than you? I guess I'm going a little further than
• 38:28
  you are. Yeah, I'm fucking better than you. Okay, much better
• 38:31
  than you. You are garbage? Thank you? Anna? So yeah,
• 38:38
  Anna Kasparian back when she was like absolutely normal and now I don't know,
• 38:44
  she's having a bit of an identity crisis. But anyway, so yeah,
• 38:49
  I'm gonna let you go chit chat. But thank you for coming in and
• 38:53
  giving your thoughts. Really appreciate it. All right, But all right,
• 38:59
  you can say here if you want. But I'm gonna, like, I
• 39:01
  don't know, like, how do I I'm gonna remove you from speakers,
• 39:06
  yes, and I'm gonna bring I think n q cell is asking to talk
• 39:10
  now, so let's do that. This is so okay in q CL you
• 39:19
  should be able to talk. Oh hello, ink you cell we try again,
• 39:25
  I will invite you to speak. You should be able to speak when
• 39:30
  when you get them there's a bit of lag, so it kind of sucks.
• 39:35
  Okay. So the other thing I wanted to mention is, well,
• 39:40
  I do have this other story of the Star Wars outlawst thing that's been going
• 39:45
  around where they took this actress who was attractive and they masculinized the shit out
• 39:51
  of her, and I think it's hilarious, Like it's Ubisoft anyway, I
• 39:55
  knew ub Soft as woke from the moment I played the very first saund Creed
• 40:00
  game, because it's literally on the first screen when you boot up Assassin's Creed
• 40:05
  one, they tell you like how important it is that the team behind it
• 40:07
  was super diverse, and I was like, well, that's weird. Why
• 40:10
  would you guys tell me that I knew it. I mean like in all
• 40:15
  their games, like especially their Assassin's Creed games, they all have like all
• 40:19
  kinds of shit in there that's just like really out of place. So you
• 40:23
  know, I'm not surprised by this at all, And frankly, I think
• 40:29
  it's more of a nothing burger anyway. Star Wars is dead to me.
• 40:31
  I haven't really give a shit about anything they've done for a long time.
• 40:35
  I think the last thing I did was I made a video about how they
• 40:39
  are using the High Republic as a means to retcon the entire Star Wars brand
• 40:45
  to fit their like their view, and the retconning of everything is like something
• 40:52
  that they do in fiction, but they also do it in real history.
• 40:57
  They retcon history, They ret con react because they wanted to match their vision,
• 41:01
  and they want you to be unable to remember anything that's real and know
• 41:07
  what real is and that and that is demoralizing, but that is on purpose.
• 41:09
  All right. I got a request to speak from problematic white guy.
• 41:14
  You see if that works? Uh? You are why isn't it working?
• 41:20
  I'm gonna try and maybe I'll have to wait a bit, Maybe I have
• 41:23
  to wait a second. Uh, Problematic, if you see this, put
• 41:30
  a put a comment in the uh in the chat and let me know if
• 41:34
  you're able to join the call or not. I mean, I see you
• 41:36
  in the Twitter space, but for some reason, I tried to give you
• 41:39
  permission and it's not working. To try again in QZL, all right,
• 41:46
  And I don't know why it's Am I doing something wrong? I think Twitter
• 41:53
  space is kind of shit. Elon Musk, fix this ship, stop launching
• 41:58
  rockets to Mars and fixed space. So your mind all right, sill nothing.
• 42:10
  I will invite inq cell to speak one more time and see if it
• 42:14
  works. So just wait until my invite goes through and might some I think
• 42:20
  there's a bit of lag from when I do something and when you see it.
• 42:22
  Harry Pierce says Twitter is lagging currently. Yeah, yeah, Twitter is
• 42:29
  kind of lagging. I think I think it's because, I mean it could
• 42:30
  be because of so how many people are on it and Nova fans stop going
• 42:37
  into space and fix spaces. Yeah, thank you. Uh mister O three
• 42:44
  oh three says chit chat Kat is the MVP. Yes, very based.
• 42:50
  I think he's I think he's pretty dope. All right, So let me
• 42:54
  see. I got a request from inq cell. We're gonna hit it and
• 42:58
  we're gonna wait and see this goes through. Know why it's not working?
• 43:08
  Did you let me see here? Uh? All right, I'm gonna I'm
• 43:16
  gonna try again. I'm gonna If I don't get anything, I'll send me
• 43:22
  another request. I'm gonna look at the rest of this park place thing.
• 43:27
  So this is the screenshot from Outlaws, and I wonder if there's there should
• 43:36
  be pictures of the woman. Actually, John del Rose has it on his
• 43:39
  website. This is right here, no way, Yeah, here we go.
• 43:45
  So he writes an article. Uh, Kotaku's Alissamerconte, who, by
• 43:50
  the way, despite the fact that Kotak, who's supposed to be writing like
• 43:53
  game guides now, is still writing opinion pieces weird. Uh it is hot
• 44:00
  and bothered over Star Wars Outlaws, manly kves and hate campaign against gamers.
• 44:06
  This is the actual actress. I'm just gonna leave this up on the screen
• 44:08
  for men of culture while I take this request. That's what she's supposed to
• 44:13
  look like, so right could be added. Why isn't it going on?
• 44:24
  Maybe I have to invite people. You should have gotten my invitation to speak.
• 44:36
  Yeah, they say that every time in all their games. Yeah,
• 44:37
  I know, but I saw it in the very first for the very first
• 44:42
  Assassin's Creed, and I thought that's weird. So this is like what the
• 44:52
  actress is supposed to look like, and this is what she looks like in
• 44:54
  the game. And they're claiming that this is an issue of technology, but
• 45:00
  I mean, obviously that's not like if anyone's played, you know, any
• 45:05
  game in the last like a couple of years, there are plenty of models
• 45:09
  that resemble the actor. Frankly, I just to be clear, I'm actually
• 45:15
  not for the models looking like the actor. I prefer when the in game
• 45:20
  models look like characters and not humans, like I don't know, Like I
• 45:24
  like that it had a bit more of an abstract appearance, like you know,
• 45:29
  if you played I don't know, like if you played Leon in Residue
• 45:32
  bel four in the old Reside before or Ada in the old Resident Evil games,
• 45:37
  she looked like a character that did not exist, the old Laura Croft,
• 45:42
  for example. And now they're like, no, no, we want
• 45:45
  it to look like this person, but they never really go through with it.
• 45:47
  I mean, look look at how jawed up she is. What is
• 45:52
  this supposed to be? What's with this nineteen seventies feathered hair and all the
• 45:54
  Star Wars characters like it's like the only thing they know is that it has
• 46:00
  as that nineteen seventies, Like, you know what she looks like? You
• 46:02
  know what she looks like. Honestly, have you guys ever seen the Warriors?
• 46:07
  You know, the leader of the gang that's chasing the Warriors that frames
• 46:12
  them. You know, the guy from that Warriors that's what she looks like.
• 46:16
  Should look that dude up. They look the same. So anyway,
• 46:24
  shit Grums is gonna get a lot of hit pieces. They're gonna come after
• 46:29
  him for this. And I think that the real they do this on purpose
• 46:35
  because it makes them feel better about themselves and especially the main reason I think
• 46:40
  is that they don't like men enjoying anything, especially attractive things, especially especially
• 46:46
  attractive women. They really don't like that, and so they try to take
• 46:51
  it away from them. Meanwhile, they have no problem sexualizing dudes like at
• 46:54
  all, even if they're underage dudes. They're totally down with that, all
• 47:00
  right, So, uh, this is a Larry Studios thing. One other
• 47:07
  thing I was gonna mention is Grums made this. He made this request,
• 47:14
  and I want to know what you guys think about this. Meanwhile, I'm
• 47:16
  gonna try to invite in you sell to speak again. I don't know why,
• 47:21
  or you know. I'll make him a co host. Maybe that'll work.
• 47:23
  Then co hosts invite and I will do the same for problematic as well.
• 47:29
  Just for today. We'll see if that works. So the real Bob
• 47:37
  Newpan says, we need more anti communist team curation lists. Yeah, that'd
• 47:40
  be great, wouldn't it. You know, there's plenty of good stuff out
• 47:43
  there if you know where to look. So I think, oh, yeah,
• 47:46
  hey, IQ self, what's up? I think it just now it
• 47:52
  just happened to it just uh unfud itself, like the main unfucked itself just
• 47:59
  now. So okay, so was it? Yeah? No, no,
• 48:02
  it was. It is broken. It periodically does this thing wherein even the
• 48:06
  main page like doesn't load properly or anything, and it just happens periodically.
• 48:13
  You want people to drive your electric cars, you have to fix your Twitter's
• 48:16
  Twitter website, just get that working. Okay, what do you want to
• 48:22
  say? Right? I guess can I go back to the hell divers stuff?
• 48:30
  Vaguely? Right? The thing that I've noticed that there is one quote
• 48:35
  from Paul Verhoven that they like to the media literacy people like to go on
• 48:38
  about that. It goes something like, you wanted to create so in your
• 48:44
  face parody of fascism that people that get it would be tormented by people who
• 48:49
  didn't. Right. This is this is this is their thing. This is
• 48:52
  what the media media literacy is about to them, wherein if you find in
• 48:58
  any way any kind of appreciate or esthetic appreciation to the quote unquote bad guys
• 49:02
  in in Starship Coopers, they're obviously a fascist and stupid. Yeah. Yeah,
• 49:08
  you're self reporting. You you're confessing to be on fascist and you're stupid
• 49:12
  and you're stupid because you don't get it. Right, This is what even
• 49:15
  though the Starships Stroopers being Overhoven himself being an idiot that didn't get the book,
• 49:22
  that didn't care about the book and just overlaid fascists. He didn't even
• 49:25
  read it, he said, he read like for twenty minutes and put it
• 49:30
  down. Yeah, and on top of it being politically illiterate shit live.
• 49:34
  So yeah, and this is what This is the disconnect that like the media
• 49:37
  literacy people don't get They don't get that. We do get it. We
• 49:42
  just appreciate the aesthetics and you're you're you're that They are the stupid ones,
• 49:45
  like they don't get it. They think that everyone else is self reporting as
• 49:49
  fascist and they're stupid. So there's like weird cycle that their reasoning is stuck
• 49:54
  in and these uh to take it to hell divers to I think that is
• 50:01
  that is that is they, that is what they go with, that is
• 50:04
  who they are, right And I'm not just looking, not just talking to
• 50:07
  community managers, but the developers as well, because I look, the trailer
• 50:13
  starts out with the mixed race family, like this is the first thing that
• 50:15
  immediately saw, like, okay, what's happening here? Right? Well the
• 50:22
  issue is that. And by the way, nobody nobody complained about that.
• 50:25
  I don't know if you noticed. I didn't hear anyone complain. They were
• 50:29
  just like okay, well but most people didn't care. No, I know,
• 50:36
  like immediately like okay, So, so what is going to happen?
• 50:38
  Is this going to be like fascist esthetics with somehow but somehow everyone is a
• 50:43
  progressive, like you know, like, is it going to be mixed raced
• 50:46
  by supremacist? Is that what's gonna happen. It's just something in that in
• 50:51
  that vein, and I think I saw some like deep lore in like inside
• 50:55
  the game, wherein if you like listen to a broadcast long enough, there
• 51:00
  there are like dissident sort of talking points coming from the opposing forces, like
• 51:05
  the automatons and some like bug liberation groups or something like that, wherein there's
• 51:12
  an undercurrent narrative framing the Super Earth managed democracy Empire as being the bad guys
• 51:20
  as as it as it wanted to be with Starship Troopers, right, they
• 51:24
  wanted the thing that they wanted in Starship Cooper is in the is this moment
• 51:30
  of this ambiguity of them, of of you know, Earth being the bad
• 51:35
  guys, of Rico being the bad guy, And that's what that's why they
• 51:40
  always haggle about Buenos Aires being a false flag. Al it wasn't a false
• 51:45
  flag, but they just had canon it. Oh yeah, there's actually if
• 51:50
  you notice it, they false flagged. So they attack hacking wholesome communists communitarian
• 51:55
  bugs, right, but there's no such thing in there, so they have
• 52:00
  to inpend it. So I think for hell divers, yes, go on,
• 52:04
  no, no, I agree with you. You got and finished for
• 52:06
  hell divers w So for hell divers too, they actually can't do it.
• 52:08
  They can actually impune theatorial intent they couldn't impune on hindline, right, this
• 52:15
  is this is to me like this, So when when the community manager chick
• 52:19
  goes super Earth out of bad guys, I think that's the undercurrent narrative,
• 52:22
  and there are from the game design perspective that is the sort of interesting thing
• 52:27
  happening, where the game itself is like live performance, ongoing live performance.
• 52:32
  One thing you might say about how games have evolved is that you're you're not
• 52:37
  really playing the same game twice. If you go back for twenty years and
• 52:42
  you boot up Mortal Kombat or you boot up The Sex, you're playing the
• 52:45
  same game. If you're playing Wolf, there's like six different wolframes. It
• 52:50
  changes from patch to patch. When I played Planet Side, I couldn't I
• 52:53
  kind of play the version of planets Eye Work where I could take the Terran
• 52:57
  tank, deploy it and shoot like a machine gun with its main gu I
• 53:00
  cannot play that. So the games evolve in time and you're never never really
• 53:05
  these live service games, you're not playing them twice. And the whole diverse
• 53:07
  is taking a bit further further than that, because the meta game that is
• 53:13
  happening on the you know, the galaxy screen where you're seeing the individual sector
• 53:17
  is being taken over. That's directed by doud, Like there's an actual dude
• 53:22
  sitting somewhere admin console that is directing these invasions. So this is basically like
• 53:27
  a dungeon master. Yeah. So so it's like a Brechtian sort of theater
• 53:31
  play or something like this. It's very interesting. But yeah, well that's
• 53:37
  yeah, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, not really because
• 53:43
  another thing is arranger is on the topic of community managers, there is a
• 53:51
  thing also that I have noticed or or that that is clearly obvious. Is
• 53:55
  this attempt to normalize leftist preserve as the sort of null hypothesis and to mask
• 54:05
  enforcement of ideological leftist ideological precepts through neutral rule enforcement, wherein you do this
• 54:13
  okay, no politics, Okay, we are not allowing politics in this,
• 54:15
  in this gaming space, on this discord for health, the health diversity,
• 54:19
  there will be no politics. But you, but but you. But you
• 54:22
  can't say, like stuff super lgbtople's community that that's not politics, that's just
• 54:25
  being a decent human being. Right And if you if like, okay,
• 54:30
  I'm not sure about this, well then you're just being quote unquote an asshole,
• 54:32
  then you're or political You're making Yeah, you're you're pushback to this very
• 54:37
  obvious political state of to this political political sort of position in position in position.
• 54:46
  Yes, that's actually the being the thing that is being political, not
• 54:51
  us engineering a state of affairs wherein we pretend we are actual neutral, neutral,
• 54:57
  real enforcers of this sort of common so societal agreement that that sort of
• 55:01
  everyone agrees to. It is common sense. It's just being a decent human
• 55:05
  being, right, it's it's not political, it's just being you know,
• 55:08
  uh, the nice to the LGBT community, and you should support it.
• 55:13
  Right. So I am on the discord of Mark Kerrn. I actually have
• 55:19
  too. Yeah, I am too. Yeah, you're talking about game.
• 55:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ember. Yeah, I don't
• 55:27
  want to say too much. I am more involved with it than a casual
• 55:30
  observer. Let believe it that. Well, that's great. I think that's
• 55:35
  great. Go on, Uh, so cet these people coming in right and
• 55:39
  and for a little for a while, so so I know the community mansions
• 55:44
  there and everything. We there's there's been a policy for a long time like
• 55:47
  no politics, like don't discuss politics, don't bring this here. Well just
• 55:51
  just just leave it alone. And usually like the mods came in and said
• 55:53
  all right, stop this, like stop this, you know, stop stop
• 55:57
  stop talking about this. And basically a guy comes in and says, uh,
• 56:04
  like a new guy that you know, when you a new guy,
• 56:06
  have this leaf around run next to your name on discord, and it's like,
• 56:10
  you should support LGBT plus community. You should support LGBT plus communism,
• 56:15
  specifically the LGBT plus communism. He is responding to someone there, some x
• 56:20
  y Z some some third party is the moral busy buddies that are whose morality
• 56:24
  is LGBT plus communism. And this new guy, which is obviously a should
• 56:30
  live that came to the serve and you. He was like, yeah,
• 56:31
  but you should do that. You should support LGBT plus communism. The communism
• 56:37
  thing was a bit tongue in cheek, but but but, but the main
• 56:38
  thrust of it is, yeah, you should support LGBT plus community. Right,
• 56:43
  Yeah, that's political statement. That's a political position, obviously trivially on
• 56:47
  his face, but there's a seme to camouflage this as yeah, it's actually
• 56:52
  just being you know, neutral, so impressive. That's repressive tolerance. Yes,
• 56:59
  it's it's basically think he's repressed a lot of tolerance thing, uh you
• 57:01
  know stuff or whoever, Uh I think it is. I was gonna say,
• 57:07
  well that's the book, but but yeah, repressed. It's definitely.
• 57:13
  I thought either I don't know or hoimer I think it is uh and yeah,
• 57:22
  and so basically this is this is the tenet of a few things.
• 57:25
  Do you think that Mark Kerne himself knows about this? Do you think that
• 57:30
  he's aware of these tactics, because I mean, I don't want to like
• 57:34
  bombard with a bunch of red pills, but I wonder if if he's aware
• 57:37
  of the tactics of these techniques that he It is my it is my sort
• 57:45
  of uh assessment that he is fluent, way more uh that he lets on
• 57:52
  he knows uh and even this dislike sort of gamers are non and like centrists
• 58:00
  and and and they are the real x y Z is the real racist is
• 58:05
  a sort of a strategy. It's not really like a serious he's not really
• 58:09
  doing the Brandon Striker. It's not actually like a Brandon Stricker sort of demograph.
• 58:15
  He is way more uh, that's my more based. You think that
• 58:21
  he's more based. He's more based than hiss on but but but but he
• 58:24
  attempts he takes this sort of audience or viewpoint neutrality to maximize through put.
• 58:34
  Let's just say it's too basically apply Olenska tactics against the leftists in their own
• 58:42
  sort of applying Olenska attactics to liberalism itself, wherein they try to try to
• 58:49
  hold these ship lips and extreme communists and the extreme WLD people to the ideology
• 58:55
  they came from to that deasp on them and supports them and undergird the society.
• 59:01
  So he tries to make sort of sort of maximum strength push through that
• 59:08
  and make them live up to this anti racism and anti sexism. But when
• 59:14
  he points out, oh, you actually people have some nasty things to say
• 59:16
  about le Jews and and you know you hate white people. Although the anti
• 59:22
  white thing is a fairly sort of new Overton window push from the right,
• 59:29
  I would say because anti whitism wasn't a thing five years ago, like like
• 59:31
  that, that that was basically on part of like just being straight up,
• 59:36
  I was Austrian pater fan, right, That wasn't the thing that we were
• 59:40
  haggling over the definition of racism back Racism is prejudiced pose power, don't you
• 59:46
  know? It was that way? It wasn't Nobody was really talking about anti
• 59:51
  whitism as a sort of undercurrent concept that should be thought about. It's just
• 59:57
  haggling with feminists, handling with Anita. Racism is and reverse racism if it
• 1:00:04
  exists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's like if you
• 1:00:07
  want to know how long or how old it is, and you go back
• 1:00:10
  and watch like some old George Carlin interviews or he talks about like how much
• 1:00:15
  he hates white people, you'll probably be shocked to be like, wow,
• 1:00:17
  he used to say that. He's like, yeah, that was actually very
• 1:00:20
  common. So I mean, but like nobody thought it was there was anything
• 1:00:23
  wrong with it, Like we just kind of like normalized it back then,
• 1:00:28
  and now more people are being aware, more people are noticing. Well anyway,
• 1:00:31
  in Q South, thank you. I I really got to move on
• 1:00:34
  because I gotta the show here soon. But what what's up? Yeah?
• 1:00:37
  Go ahead, you have another dude? Yeah, I got one more dude
• 1:00:42
  coming waiting to get in. So I want to, uh want to give
• 1:00:45
  problematic a chance to speak, and then I want to I want to like
• 1:00:49
  send a message that Grums put out that I think we should all take into
• 1:00:52
  take heed on, because I think it is a good idea. I just
• 1:00:55
  don't know how much I could move the needle on this tiny little channel,
• 1:00:59
  but I think it's absolutely crucial. Anyway, Thank you in q SEL.
• 1:01:01
  I'm just gonna make you into a a regular removed from co host thing,
• 1:01:08
  and I appreciate your feedback. I love how deep these things get because I
• 1:01:13
  think that's what we need so now problematic. You should be able to talk,
• 1:01:17
  I hope. So can you hear me? Yeah, yep, I
• 1:01:21
  hear you. Okay, right on, Yeah, go ahead and say yeah,
• 1:01:25
  I just want to give a chance to speaking. Yeah. I was
• 1:01:29
  just gonna kind of dogpile on the community manager aspect at the moment, just
• 1:01:32
  because, like me, that seems to be the more prevalent witch hunt that's
• 1:01:37
  happening right now. And you know, uh, it's it's kind of like
• 1:01:42
  this thing that you know, the further we go into this gamer Gate to
• 1:01:47
  expose of, you know, the rocks in the industry. Uh My,
• 1:01:52
  My big issue that I've been trying to get across people is like, yeah,
• 1:01:54
  there's always gonna be another witch to hunt next week and sooner or later.
• 1:01:59
  Like they're kind at the point where they probably appreciate the fact that we're
• 1:02:04
  just getting caught up in the surface level distractions. You know. It's like
• 1:02:07
  that tweet I put out earlier day about you know, picking the low hanging
• 1:02:10
  fruit off the tree, the tree still there until we actually you know,
• 1:02:15
  uproot that some that you know, this situation is just going to keep you
• 1:02:20
  know, multiplying and prospering and doing its thing, because ultimately this does come
• 1:02:25
  down to the actual power brok ring that's behind it all. To you know,
• 1:02:30
  take what is a fictional concept that's you know, on display in hell
• 1:02:36
  divers too, and actually turning that into you know, a dystopic allscape reality
• 1:02:42
  that will ultimately be under the boothill of and that to me it seems to
• 1:02:46
  be like where the focus hopefully will start to shift to beyond all the surface
• 1:02:52
  level distractions because we're just creating more of a smoke screen for that larger issue
• 1:02:55
  to just keep pressing on fully ignored. So you know, I, I
• 1:03:01
  that's why I appreciate the work that you're doing and you know why I try
• 1:03:07
  to support it and uh, you know, get it out to other people
• 1:03:08
  as well, because we have to get what you have to get beyond what's
• 1:03:14
  at the surface level of these issues, because it is a far more pervasive
• 1:03:19
  thing that is taking place, and you know, the community managers, you
• 1:03:24
  know, in the in the video I put out today, like I just
• 1:03:28
  said, you know, they were hired by a will hiring manager. And
• 1:03:31
  it doesn't have to be some grand conspiracy where everyone's in the know of it.
• 1:03:37
  It's you know, comes back to what we talked about a couple of
• 1:03:39
  weeks ago with the indoctrination in academia, and then that infiltrates the industry and
• 1:03:46
  starts to take a hold as just kind of being the fashion of you know,
• 1:03:52
  what everybody has to wear to be included in that society. And that
• 1:03:57
  to me is you know, the bigger issue at play is absolutely the people
• 1:04:00
  that are pushing it from the onset. So yeah, you know, and
• 1:04:06
  I don't know how we get beyond the easier aspect though of saying, oh
• 1:04:13
  there's a witch, let's burner. You know, it actually gets the point
• 1:04:16
  to where we're like, maybe we should just stop, you know, like
• 1:04:19
  allowing sorcery to be the thing that enchants everyone in the first place. We
• 1:04:24
  won't have to deal with all these witches. But you know, it is
• 1:04:27
  a very sticky situation because you know, uh, freemon liberty implies that we
• 1:04:31
  should all have, you know, some level of autonomy to think how we
• 1:04:35
  choose whether that's you know, level headed or completely out the window kind of
• 1:04:41
  concepts. But the main issue with the community manager is that she is allowing
• 1:04:46
  her perspective and ideology get in the way of, you know, what should
• 1:04:51
  actually be the focus, which is just delivering the you know, the measurables
• 1:04:57
  on a good game that actually wants to retance face and based and not you
• 1:05:00
  know, try to make an issue out of the people that are playing it.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, well, I think I get what you're saying. So my
• 1:05:12
  goal is a Honey Badger Arcade is specifically a channel, and we talk about
• 1:05:16
  cultural stuff but on Badger live streams and I'm streaming to both of those places
• 1:05:19
  at the same time. We speak more about the issues of gender, but
• 1:05:27
  in from the perspective that if you fix the situation between men and women,
• 1:05:30
  then everything else essentially it's all downstream from there. But we are also very
• 1:05:35
  aware of, like all of the different ways that our society is being attacked,
• 1:05:42
  whether it's like you know, forcing behaviors through our culture or through education
• 1:05:46
  or through the media, or just like straight up political force or whatever it
• 1:05:50
  is. We are all aware of it. One of the things that I'm
• 1:05:54
  trying to do by having these shows is help people because you know, I've
• 1:05:59
  said this many times a lot most of the people who are making content in
• 1:06:03
  the sort of like Gamergate two space. When I say Gamergate, when I
• 1:06:08
  refer to it, I don't refer to it as a bad thing. It
• 1:06:10
  is what we have created, is what we're doing. Our response is what's
• 1:06:15
  causing it. But what I'm trying to do is not get caught up in
• 1:06:18
  every little dramatic thing that happens, but rather help people understand because people are
• 1:06:24
  gonna ask, like gigs and gamers are gonna be like where is this coming
• 1:06:27
  from? You know, people like the critical Drinker, these people who have
• 1:06:30
  massive platforms that like talk about this stuff all the time. They're still not
• 1:06:34
  getting like why is this happening? And I'm saying, this is why this
• 1:06:39
  is happening, This is where it comes from. These are the signs to
• 1:06:42
  look out for. This is what they want, right, So simply like
• 1:06:45
  you know, pointing out I don't know, like their hypocrisy, for example,
• 1:06:50
  which is a thing people love to do. Well, if you if
• 1:06:53
  you can be racist against black people, you can be raised as white people
• 1:06:57
  like that that's meaningless, Like you have to basically say they don't care about
• 1:07:00
  that stuff. They only care about power. They want you, you know,
• 1:07:04
  sick or dead and penniless, and they think it's funny. And this
• 1:07:10
  is all of the evidence that shows that. And then it's sort of like
• 1:07:14
  we're looking at this struggle to like hold on to what we have, and
• 1:07:19
  it's like a fight happening on multiple fronts, right, And I'm basically trying
• 1:07:25
  to get everyone looking in the same direction because it's it is kind of coming
• 1:07:29
  from one place ideologically, so we know where that is. And there's one
• 1:07:33
  crack in the you know, in the I guess you could say in the
• 1:07:36
  line, like if we break the line at one point, then that could
• 1:07:40
  be where we go. And the reason why I think gamer game is particularly
• 1:07:44
  important is because it is and honestly, like I've I've seen this in in
• 1:07:48
  in politics, in media, in the men's rights space, in comic books,
• 1:07:54
  in the manisphere, in movies and music and everything else, and the
• 1:07:59
  only place where there's been this much pushback is here. And I think that
• 1:08:02
  there's something about the mind of these young men that and I did a video
• 1:08:08
  on this the other day that this is like their last refuge. It's like
• 1:08:12
  the last place that young guys can go and just be left alone, and
• 1:08:15
  that place is being essentially attacked, right, and they're getting they're basically sick
• 1:08:20
  of it. And so I see, like I see there are people talking
• 1:08:26
  about real solutions, and I think that these things that what we do to
• 1:08:30
  fix what's happening with Gamergate two, I think will have a ripple effect everywhere
• 1:08:36
  else if we can get it to work. And that's why I think it's
• 1:08:39
  an important, like let's say, flashpoint. And by the way, I
• 1:08:44
  think that's why they're pushing back so hard against us, because they know it
• 1:08:46
  too. It's sort of like in you know, in Lord of the Rings.
• 1:08:50
  I'm not saying we're the orc Hord, but it reminds me of the
• 1:08:55
  Battle of Helm's Deep, right and there and all the Orcs are at the
• 1:08:58
  wall, and there's one with a the suicide orc with the bomb, and
• 1:09:00
  he's like running towards the opening, and then like all of the people see
• 1:09:04
  it and they all have to throw everything they have at them to stop it,
• 1:09:08
  and it doesn't work. And it's kind of like that. That's how
• 1:09:11
  I kind of see it and so one of the things I try to do
• 1:09:15
  is help people equip them with the language and also ask them to be very
• 1:09:19
  careful about their language because words are as you call it, like you know,
• 1:09:25
  sorcery, spellcraft, whatever they use. Words control reality and we have
• 1:09:29
  to be able to determine what they say from what they really mean. So
• 1:09:32
  we understand the words that are being used and what their purposes are so that
• 1:09:36
  we can fight them on the language front and the vocabulary front. We have
• 1:09:42
  to understand our enemy, we have to understand their tactics, and we have
• 1:09:45
  to have our own solutions. Right. So, like yesterday I did a
• 1:09:50
  show Alison. It was yesterday, No, No, yesterday was Tuesday.
• 1:09:55
  On Monday, I did a show with Alison. I read this substack from
• 1:09:58
  this guy and it was called the Vibe, and it was a very good
• 1:10:00
  substack because this guy, and he's been making the rounds on all these like
• 1:10:04
  major alternative media places, doing interviews with people. He wrote this whole thing
• 1:10:09
  saying in particular, and this is also I think very important because it's relevant
• 1:10:14
  to the show that we do over our magical lized streams with particularly with young
• 1:10:17
  men, young heterosexual men that like basically want it. Wanted to just have
• 1:10:25
  a normal life with a you know, a good career and a wife and
• 1:10:29
  children. They are all noticing like that that everything that we have been told,
• 1:10:33
  everything that we have been taught, everything that we're supposed to know about
• 1:10:36
  the world is not what it is. And they're they're not just like pointing
• 1:10:42
  it out, which they have to so that other men can join in,
• 1:10:45
  other people that want to be a part of that can join in, but
• 1:10:46
  they're also building their own things and that's and that's what I'm that's what I'm
• 1:10:53
  actually ultimately want to to uh see us move towards at whatever pace. And
• 1:10:59
  this is why I want to mention and you can give me your thoughts on
• 1:11:01
  this. What Grums suggested as that we do he said, for two years
• 1:11:09
  no matter what, so like instead of like looking to see if it's a
• 1:11:12
  woke company and who their community men, because I guarantee you they're human resources
• 1:11:15
  and community managers departments are all full of wokies no matter what the company is.
• 1:11:19
  If likely that's the case because those people get an education in our schools
• 1:11:26
  and that's what they're taught and it's not I don't even blame them. I
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  feel bad for them, frankly, because I know how much debt they're in
• 1:11:31
  and how useless or degrees are. But that being said, he said,
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  if you stop buying any Triple A games for two years, it'll change everything.
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  And it's a big ask. I get it, But I think that
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  we can make a dent if we just stick by that, and all you
• 1:11:45
  gotta do is support smaller companies or play your old games, you know,
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  if you have like a backlog of games or whatever, just play those and
• 1:11:54
  promote the shit out of the small developers, because there are definitely gems in
• 1:11:59
  there that are just waiting to be discovered. And that's it. That's what
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  I would so, and I think that's a good idea. Two years,
• 1:12:04
  it's not that long. It'll be over before you know it, and I
• 1:12:08
  think it'll it'll change the industry. So I don't know what you what your
• 1:12:12
  thoughts are on any of that stuff. Oh yeah, no, I think
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  that that's definitely a good strategy to at least kind of show that there is
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  a reinforced uh you know, uh, just understanding of all of us not
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  wanting to be a part of it. Unfortunately, you know, A lot
• 1:12:31
  of this stuff's been going on the entire time. You know, you see
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  in movies how they have corporate branded uh you know, partnerships and things like
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  that and like you know, their product placement and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:12:44
  And so that's one of the ways that they'll just continue to mask it,
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  is they'll just do corporate inbreeding and spread their money around and then with
• 1:12:53
  you know, the system of inflation that's in place. You know, that's
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  also another way to continue on balancing the table, because they can always just
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  print more money, you know, and put us even further away from the
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  level playing field that would actually be necessary for a capitalistic mindset to actually have
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  meaning behind it. So while it is important to not support it financially until
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  we actually get beyond understanding that you know, money is not you know,
• 1:13:28
  money is nearly is merely the means. It's not the focus, you know,
• 1:13:30
  So it's not the goal, right right', it's it's the power broke
• 1:13:34
  rink and so and so, yeah, they can just continue to marginalize every
• 1:13:40
  dollar so that it's more workless and continue to just go on pushing their aims
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  and their values until we actually take note of that and actually, you know,
• 1:13:51
  like you're talking about used discernment by understanding the form of enchantment that's being
• 1:13:58
  played out when they do their double speak and all this kind of stuff.
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  And that's actually what my next project is more focused on, is kind of
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  how you know, the mid the middle managers, what they're there for is
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  to create the distraction, and you know they do that through you know,
• 1:14:16
  creating these distractionary focus where you know, people just get into the back and
• 1:14:23
  forth conjecture of it all, and then all that stuff that we're actually should
• 1:14:27
  be dealing with just continues, and you know, until we actually take that
• 1:14:31
  next step, we're actually doing them a service by getting caught up, you
• 1:14:36
  know, in this war between foot soldiers and you know, like to your
• 1:14:42
  Lord of the Rings analogy, I always kind of argue that, you know,
• 1:14:45
  this is a fellowship, you know, I see as more as on
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  that side of it where you know, like Mount Doom, you know,
• 1:14:53
  the eye of sore On is just they're looking out in all directions. It's
• 1:14:58
  like fighting a cracking. You want to take down one arm, there's still
• 1:15:01
  seven that are still ambuling about and causing havoc and destruction. And so it
• 1:15:08
  really does take a larger degree of being responsive rather than reactionary. And you
• 1:15:15
  know, I'm not going to say that I don't make you know, jokes
• 1:15:18
  about this stuff that happen on the daily, because I do. But ultimately,
• 1:15:23
  you know, that's a small part of at least what my work is
• 1:15:28
  and doing, and stuff like the video I put out today, you know,
• 1:15:30
  like it's just kind of all the stuff that I've been digging into with
• 1:15:34
  this rabbit hole of the WF United Nations funding models that are really at play.
• 1:15:42
  I mean, it's disheartening, and so I just I had to,
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  Like, I had a video that I was going to put out, and
• 1:15:48
  it was just like like no this, I want to do something that's actually
• 1:15:53
  proactive and productive, and so I just ended up putting out a video about
• 1:15:56
  like, hey, these are the tools I used to make my own video,
• 1:16:00
  and they're freely available to anybody. Get yourself started, and we can
• 1:16:03
  all just actually start doing that more level playing field of you know, entertaining
• 1:16:09
  each other and just doing this parallel economy where if they're going to devalue the
• 1:16:14
  dollar, they can do it all they want, you know, but if
• 1:16:16
  we still have the means to entertain each other and actually create, you know,
• 1:16:20
  on a level that doesn't involve them. That's really where the solutions are
• 1:16:25
  going to come into play that will actually have an effect on you. That's
• 1:16:29
  why when we had our last conversation at the end of it, I said,
• 1:16:31
  you should plan a garden. You should you know, like spend your
• 1:16:34
  time doing something that's going to be more productive and at the ground level and
• 1:16:40
  you know, more uh, you know, just viscerally charged with you know,
• 1:16:45
  taking hold of your own destiny rather than allowing this centralized control scheme to
• 1:16:50
  just insidiously find its way into every you know thought thing you do. You
• 1:16:57
  know, we have to disconnect entire and just not buying the games in and
• 1:17:01
  of itself is you know, only a half measure unfortunately, and I wish
• 1:17:06
  that that would be the silver bullet, as it were. But until we
• 1:17:12
  actually you know, just sidestep the whole thing and just say, look,
• 1:17:15
  we can do this without you. And you know, the world's more connected
• 1:17:18
  than ever. You know, we don't have to abide by those systems,
• 1:17:25
  but we have to find a way to not do it entirely. And it
• 1:17:29
  is a lofty goal to get people to go along with not buying new games
• 1:17:32
  for two years, and I'm perfectly all for it. I've done it before,
• 1:17:35
  I can do it again, you know. But there there's a lot
• 1:17:41
  of people. Yeah, but unfortunately there's a lot of virtue signaling on both
• 1:17:45
  sides and all the points in between on these issues. And it's easy to
• 1:17:50
  say something you know today, but then again, you know, people be
• 1:17:55
  like, you know, I hear people making excuses all the time for why
• 1:17:58
  they still you know, with the MCU products and things like that, even
• 1:18:02
  though it's completely corrupted, and they're like they're like, oh, but I'll
• 1:18:06
  just give it one more chance. Like you know, everybody's been railing on
• 1:18:10
  how MGU is deader than dead. But then in the back of their mind,
• 1:18:13
  they're like, but I still might see Deadpool. Yeah, I've heard
• 1:18:16
  that. I refuse, I'm done, But it is hard to get people
• 1:18:20
  to unplug, you know, or pull out then pull out the heroin needle.
• 1:18:25
  I get it, Like, I trust me, I've seen it.
• 1:18:28
  But that's okay. I think we can still make a dent. I mean,
• 1:18:31
  And also you know, uh, and I gotta I gotta run because
• 1:18:34
  I gotta I got other things I gotta do. So I can't go for
• 1:18:38
  much longer. But I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I just think
• 1:18:41
  that for my part, I'm just I want to help people understand what the
• 1:18:45
  steaks are so they know what's going on. I don't want to get hooked
• 1:18:48
  up into every little you know, like spat that happens. But I understand
• 1:18:54
  why because I knew for some people, they're still not there yet. They're
• 1:18:57
  not at that point, you know, like it's like throwing them in the
• 1:19:00
  deep end and they're still waiting at the shallow end of the pool. And
• 1:19:02
  I'm just gonna go out to the deep end and say, you know,
• 1:19:04
  it's actually not that bad out here. Just come on out if you if
• 1:19:09
  you're able, and hopefully they will, and I think I think they will.
• 1:19:12
  I think that we're in the midst of a great awakening and all we
• 1:19:15
  gotta do is wait. Yes, I do know about Bridge Stock. I'm
• 1:19:19
  gonna make a I might make a video on that later, but it might
• 1:19:21
  be old news. And there's a lot of people that are doing good stuff,
• 1:19:25
  like you know BX or Bex. I've had her on the show before.
• 1:19:29
  I'm gonna bring her back on she's gonna talk about all of the stuff
• 1:19:31
  that she's uncovered with the Department of Homeland Security and like other sort of government
• 1:19:36
  entities involved in this kind of stuff, and not just in gaming, but
• 1:19:40
  like all over the internet, basically anything that has that is not under their
• 1:19:45
  control. There are Feds, like swimming, there are probably FEDS watching this
• 1:19:48
  show, probably you know so or bots that are like operating as FEDS now
• 1:19:54
  that we have AI SO anyway, but yeah, I mean I agree there,
• 1:20:00
  but there are people doing good work out there, so we'll we'll see
• 1:20:01
  how it goes. I do have to let you go. Do you have
• 1:20:03
  any final words? Uh? No, I mean I mean I could go
• 1:20:09
  on for any length of time, but I think, yeah, we've done
• 1:20:13
  enough of it today. Yeah I should. I should end it there,
• 1:20:15
  Yeah, no problem. All right, Well, thank you problematic. I'm
• 1:20:18
  gonna take you off here as a co host and I'm going to end the
• 1:20:24
  show. So let me move this back here. Thanks guys for coming on
• 1:20:30
  the stream today. I'm sorry for the abrupt ending, but I gotta end
• 1:20:32
  it there. I didn't any super chats or super Child's which makes me kind
• 1:20:35
  of sad, but that's okay. So Anyway, if you guys like this
• 1:20:42
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• 1:20:56
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• 1:21:01
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