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(Re-Listen) Ep. 51 - Star Trek: The Next Generation, The Inner Light w/ Dr. Ethan Siegel!!! · Notable Nostalgia

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, Nostalgia Nerds? We are doing a re-listen
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  Speaker 1: this week. If any Trekkies are out there listening, you
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  Speaker 1: know it's been really rough the last week or two
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  Speaker 1: for us. You know, with the loss of Sir Patrick Stewart.
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  Speaker 1: I was literally watching Star Trek TNG when I got
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  Speaker 1: the news. I was watching Season 1 Data Lore when
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  Speaker 1: Data's brother comes back. It's not the best episode, but anyways,
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  Speaker 1: it is pretty crazy that that's how I found out.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've talked about how important Star Trek is
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  Speaker 1: to me, you know, multiple times throughout the podcast. One
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  Speaker 1: of my earliest memories of my life is watching Star
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  Speaker 1: Trek with my dad. And I've always really liked, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Picard's character because I never had a grandpa and he
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  Speaker 1: always kind of felt like that's how I would want
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  Speaker 1: a grandpa to be. He, to me, he embodied like
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  Speaker 1: everything like a man should be, like with strength. He
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  Speaker 1: showed compassion. empathy, he was intelligent, he was warm, but,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he could be stern when he needed to be, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I read his autobiography a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and it really kind of opens up, you know, him
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  Speaker 1: as a person a little bit more than just his, like,
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  Speaker 1: great roles that he's played, so I highly recommend that
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't read his biography to check it out, but, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we just, you know, Rest in peace, Captain. This is
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  Speaker 1: a tough one for all of us. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a great episode that we did. We had an astrophysicist
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  Speaker 1: on with us who's a big Trekkie. He wrote a technology.
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  Speaker 1: We recorded this one a few years ago. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is my personal favorite Star Trek episode. It's the
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  Speaker 1: Inner Light. It's great if you haven't watched it. I
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  Speaker 1: highly recommend it. There's just so many good episodes. But
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  Speaker 1: this is my personal favorite one. So, yeah. Next week
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  Speaker 1: we have new episodes coming out. But we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: replay this one because Picard was such a big part
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  Speaker 1: of my life and I feel like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other people's lives. Whether you're into Star Trek or not,
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  Speaker 1: he's probably touched you in some way, like a family guy,
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  Speaker 1: the Simpsons, American Dad, the X-Men, you know, all those
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  Speaker 1: great Shakespeare stuff he's done. Him just, the charities he's
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  Speaker 1: worked for, just everything. He's great. So, you know. The
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  Speaker 1: captain has left the bridge. So I hope you enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: this episode. Come back next week for a new episode. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so, yeah, that's about it. All right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, and I hope you
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. And, yeah, we'll see you next week. And
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  Speaker 1: what if I lost both my hands tomorrow?
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  Speaker 2: You could be a seat model. I was 16 at
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  Speaker 2: the time, or 15. And then hooking up with a witch.
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  Speaker 2: And that was... Cats can smile, apparently.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, weird.
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't always mean that they're happy.
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  Speaker 1: Lucy receives a call from what I can only assume
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  Speaker 1: is the future winner of every acting award ever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Jenny noon is a star her look looks weren't a
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  Speaker 2: part of the.
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  Speaker 1: Issue he's like i had to sell my last top
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  Speaker 1: hat for.
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  Speaker 2: Ganas maybe this is not appropriate either but we'll see.
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  Speaker 4: Today we are discussing an episode of star trek the
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  Speaker 4: next generation specifically the season five episode the inner light
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  Speaker 4: however this is no normal episode review as we have
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  Speaker 4: a very special guest astrophysicist, science journalist, and author, including
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  Speaker 4: an analysis of Star Trek technology in the book Trek-nology, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Siegel.
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  Speaker 4: We are so honored and thrilled to have them on
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  Speaker 4: the podcast, but before we bring in Ethan, Andy, you
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  Speaker 4: reach out to Ethan yourself, and you've expressed on the
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  Speaker 4: pod before you're a big fan of Star Trek, so
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  Speaker 4: tell us what got you interested in Star Trek and
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  Speaker 4: why this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Well, some of my first memories of Star Trek were
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  Speaker 1: watching them with my dad. Every time I watched Star Trek,
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  Speaker 1: he'd always lay on his side in front of the
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  Speaker 1: TV and I'd sit on the couch.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what got me into the whole Star Trek world.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was a little too young to really
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  Speaker 1: understand a lot of what the episodes were about. I
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  Speaker 1: got a little bit older. I started just enjoying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I like science. I think it's fun. But then when
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  Speaker 1: my dad would show me the original series movies, and
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  Speaker 1: that's when I first saw Spock. And Spock was really
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  Speaker 1: interesting to me because, you know, I'm half white, half brown.
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  Speaker 1: So in the original series, Spock gets treated differently from
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  Speaker 1: the humans because he has the pointy ears like a Vulcan.
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  Speaker 1: But he gets treated differently from the Vulcans because he's
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  Speaker 1: half human. And that's the first time I saw that.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, it was some kind of
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  Speaker 1: connection that I had. Because I've said this before, but
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  Speaker 1: growing up, I sometimes got treated differently because of my
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  Speaker 1: brown skin. But then sometimes my brown friends would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you talk white. So that was weird, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: I always had that. But then Star Trek showed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you look like, who you are.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a future where everybody's kind of accepting
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  Speaker 1: and accepted. And, you know, that's that's why I like
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  Speaker 1: Star Trek so much is because it shows what humanity
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  Speaker 1: can be when it's like the best of humanity. So
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So why the inner light? Oh, it's just my personal
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  Speaker 1: favorite episode. I think it's beautiful. I've watched it probably
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  Speaker 1: 10 times and every time I tear up. a few
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  Speaker 1: times during the episode. Um, the end of it is
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  Speaker 1: beautiful beyond belief. It's just, I think it's a great, um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the number one episode to
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  Speaker 1: show someone that's never watched Star Trek before, but it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely like a top three to five. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited to talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we hope you enjoy our time with Ethan and
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  Speaker 4: our review of the inner light. And for now, Andy,
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  Speaker 4: take it away.
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  Speaker 5: Make it so space, the final frontier.
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  Speaker 6: These are the voyages.
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  Speaker 5: Of the Starship Enterprise.
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  Speaker 6: Its continuing mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek
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  Speaker 6: out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where
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  Speaker 6: no one has gone before.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are joined by Dr. Ethan Siegel, and
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  Speaker 1: we're super excited. And I've read your technology book. I
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  Speaker 1: love it. It's great. I've seen you at a few
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  Speaker 1: Star Trek panels before, so that's always fun. But we'd
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  Speaker 1: like to ask you a few questions. As an astrophysicist,
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  Speaker 1: do you recall a specific moment you had that determined
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  Speaker 1: your path into science and astrophysics? Or was it something
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  Speaker 1: that naturally developed for you?
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's really funny because usually when I get
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  Speaker 5: asked that question, it's sort of someone leading me saying like,
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  Speaker 5: Because you saw Star Trek and Star Trek is why
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  Speaker 5: you became an astrophysicist, right? Because that is the origin
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  Speaker 5: story of a lot of astrophysicists. A lot of astrophysicists
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  Speaker 5: do have that. I was the other way around. I
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  Speaker 5: had always been fascinated by space, by the universe. When
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  Speaker 5: I was a kid, I loved the planets. My parents
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  Speaker 5: got me a telescope for my birthday when I was six,
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  Speaker 5: which is an absurd present for a child who lives
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  Speaker 5: in New York City because you cannot really see anything
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  Speaker 5: in the sky. So it's really the other way around
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  Speaker 5: for me. I was always fascinated by space, by the universe,
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  Speaker 5: by all of this. And it was when Star Trek
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  Speaker 5: The Next Generation came out that I sort of realized
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  Speaker 5: that space was not just sort of this thing to
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  Speaker 5: go out and learn about, but it was also this
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  Speaker 5: source of inspiration for us that if we could combine
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  Speaker 5: sort of our love of the universe and our willingness
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  Speaker 5: to treat one another with dignity and respect and look
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  Speaker 5: out for one another, that we could all build a
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  Speaker 5: better future for each and every one of us. Um,
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  Speaker 5: and having space be the setting for that, uh, was
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  Speaker 5: extremely appealing to idealistic teenage Ethan.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great answer. I love that. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, well, I, I was curious as a, as a
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  Speaker 4: published scientist and doctor, like it's, it's 2022, uh, And
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  Speaker 4: especially being in the States, like we are seeing a
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  Speaker 4: strange time with folks stubbornly refuting science. How hard is
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  Speaker 4: that on you and your community and anything that helps
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  Speaker 4: maintain some positivity to help overcome?
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  Speaker 5: You know, you've got to remember when you're out there
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  Speaker 5: that everyone, especially over the last two years since the
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  Speaker 5: COVID-19 pandemic started, um, that everyone has been facing struggles.
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  Speaker 5: Everyone has been struggling physically, mentally, financially, or all of
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  Speaker 5: the above. And so when I see people, you know,
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  Speaker 5: opposing science, I just, you know, I try to have
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  Speaker 5: compassion for the people who are doing that because I
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  Speaker 5: can try and put myself in their shoes. But what
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  Speaker 5: I'm really seeing is that These are people who are
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  Speaker 5: struggling and it feels like they want to exert some
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  Speaker 5: kind of control on the world around them. They want
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  Speaker 5: to feel like they're in control. And if they can
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  Speaker 5: do that by themselves, shouting down, um, you know, someone
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  Speaker 5: who disagrees with what they feel, um, you know, that
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  Speaker 5: that's one way of coping with it. But what I've
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  Speaker 5: been trying to do, uh, especially recently, um, is just,
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  Speaker 5: you know, try and meet people where they are. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not here to, um, I'm not here to try
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  Speaker 5: and reason you out of a position that you didn't
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  Speaker 5: reason yourself into. That's not, what I'm all about. If
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  Speaker 5: you want to learn about the universe as it is,
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  Speaker 5: the way we do that is we ask it questions
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  Speaker 5: about itself. And the way we do that is through
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  Speaker 5: the methods of science. So if you want to learn
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  Speaker 5: how to do that and what we've learned by doing that,
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm happy to help teach you about that
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  Speaker 5: to the best of my ability. But if not, I'm
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  Speaker 5: just going to try and have kindness and compassion towards
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  Speaker 5: you and hope that you'll do the same towards others.
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  Speaker 4: That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. So you wrote a fascinating book called Trek-nology,
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  Speaker 2: I like the title, that analyzes the technology of Star
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  Speaker 2: Trek and how close we are to achieving that technology
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  Speaker 2: in the future. We're curious how realistic do you think
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  Speaker 2: films and shows depict space exploration and technology? And does
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  Speaker 2: everything you know sour your movie watching experience?
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  Speaker 5: Well, what do you think? I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson and
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  Speaker 5: I have to paint every nit and I can't just
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  Speaker 5: suspend my disbelief and enjoy a Star Wars-y jaunt through
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  Speaker 5: space where they turn off their engines on their spacecraft
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  Speaker 5: and the ship just comes to rest. I think what
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  Speaker 5: you have to remember is in any work of fiction,
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  Speaker 5: if you're striving for accuracy, then what's the point of
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  Speaker 5: having it even be fiction? The whole thing is you
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  Speaker 5: want to immerse yourself in this world, in this universe,
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  Speaker 5: tell the story, relate to the characters, enjoy the plot, right?
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  Speaker 5: There's a whole slew of things that are coming out
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  Speaker 5: about this. In Star Trek, one of the things I loved,
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  Speaker 5: particularly in Star Trek The Next Generation, is that it
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  Speaker 5: used science fiction as a backdrop to tell these stories
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  Speaker 5: of some very human struggles that I think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: exist all throughout time, you know? you have these ethical fights,
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  Speaker 5: what's right and what's wrong. When do you, when do
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  Speaker 5: you jump in to help your friend who's being attacked
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  Speaker 5: by a superior, um, superiorly armed foe? And when do
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  Speaker 5: you stay out of it? Um, you know, when do you,
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  Speaker 5: when do you fight to win and when do you
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  Speaker 5: let yourself lose because it's better overall? Uh, when do you, um,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there are all sorts of ethical questions like
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  Speaker 5: this and Star Trek, the next generation for me was,
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  Speaker 5: was a wonderful way to explore that every once in
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  Speaker 5: a while, I'll see something that'll be like, Oh, just
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  Speaker 5: scratch my head and have to ignore that one. But
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  Speaker 5: I try not to get too bogged down by that.
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  Speaker 5: The only thing that really irks me in a story
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  Speaker 5: is inconsistency. If there's a story where they'll say like, okay, like,
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  Speaker 5: and this is how the warp drive works, and we're
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  Speaker 5: going to use the warp drive, and then the pieces
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  Speaker 5: A and B that you need for the warp drive
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  Speaker 5: are missing, and they're like, ah, we're just going to
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  Speaker 5: go anyway, and then they go. That'll bother me. But
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  Speaker 5: if you are making up rules in your toy universe,
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  Speaker 5: in your fictional universe that aren't exactly how they work
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  Speaker 5: in our universe, I don't mind it so much. Some
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  Speaker 5: of my Some of my favorite sci-fi flicks are things
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  Speaker 5: that involve time travel, like Terminator 2 or Bill Murray's
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  Speaker 5: Groundhog Day or the recent Netflix series Russian Doll with
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  Speaker 5: Natasha Lyonne. I don't worry about the science of those.
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  Speaker 5: I just say, you know, this is a plot device
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  Speaker 5: that they use. And I don't worry that like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: Bill Murray killed himself with the toaster in the bathtub.
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  Speaker 5: Why is he back? Like, no, I don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's too much. Not to throw shade at Star Wars.
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  Speaker 1: I love Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: But with that sequel series that came out or like
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  Speaker 2: the whatever it's called, the new trilogy, you have to
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  Speaker 2: create your own rules and stick by them like you
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  Speaker 2: were saying. And they did, you know, kind of a
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  Speaker 2: sour job of that, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That well i i think there are lots of reasons
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  Speaker 5: to be upset at the third of the movies um
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  Speaker 5: but uh but you know i also remember uh in
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  Speaker 5: the uh late 90s being very upset at the idea
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  Speaker 5: of midichlorians like really yeah you spent all this time
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  Speaker 5: for like 20 something years, we've all been like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: the force is this mysterious thing that permeates us and
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  Speaker 5: exists all throughout the universe. And I'm sort of imagining
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  Speaker 5: it as like something intrinsic in space, like an energy
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  Speaker 5: field that we can't feel. Then you're going to like
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  Speaker 5: make a misspelling of mitochondria, the thing that does it. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how I feel about that. But but,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I would say. There are things that I
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  Speaker 5: enjoy and there are things that I enjoy less. And
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  Speaker 5: the ones that I enjoy less, I just don't spend
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  Speaker 5: my time on them anymore. If other people enjoy them,
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  Speaker 5: that's wonderful. And the things that I enjoy, I'm happy
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  Speaker 5: to just share my love for them with people who
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  Speaker 5: share that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Right on.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. So being an astrophysicist, this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a broad question. What do you think the biggest misconception
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  Speaker 1: just about space and whole is that maybe people don't
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  Speaker 1: even realize when they're thinking about space?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, what most people think of when they think
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  Speaker 5: about space is they think about it the same way
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  Speaker 5: you think about like points on a three-dimensional grid or
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  Speaker 5: like a map of the Earth. They think that like
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  Speaker 5: you can make a map of space and And you
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  Speaker 5: can just go from point A to point B. And
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  Speaker 5: the shortest distance between any two points is a straight line.
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  Speaker 5: And what I think people don't appreciate is that everything
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  Speaker 5: in space, because the speed of light is finite and
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  Speaker 5: these distances are enormous, things are not where they appear
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  Speaker 5: to be. If you've ever like looked inside, at like
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  Speaker 5: a pencil in a glass of water or like fish
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  Speaker 5: through the corner of a fish tank. And you sort
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  Speaker 5: of see like, okay, like I know it's not really
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  Speaker 5: where I think it is, right? I know that the
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  Speaker 5: light is bent. I know that things are distorted from
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  Speaker 5: my perspective. That's sort of the analogy I have for
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  Speaker 5: what it's like to look out at places in the universe.
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  Speaker 5: Because when you see Two things that are close by
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  Speaker 5: in the sky, like if you went to the southern
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  Speaker 5: hemisphere and you went and said, OK, I want to
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  Speaker 5: see the closest star to us that I can see.
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  Speaker 5: And you went and looked at Alpha Centauri. There's a
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  Speaker 5: star right next door to it called Beta Centauri. Alpha
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  Speaker 5: Centauri is about four light years away, and Beta Centauri
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  Speaker 5: is about 900 light years away. It's way, way farther away.
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  Speaker 5: So when we see Alpha Centauri, because it's so close
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  Speaker 5: on a cosmic scale, it's almost where we see it
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  Speaker 5: to be. When we look at Beta Centauri.
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  Speaker 8: We have to account for the fact that, okay, like
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  Speaker 8: we're seeing this light as it was 900 years ago.
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  Speaker 8: So we can't say like, okay, if I could, I
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  Speaker 8: can imagine just zip, I'd zip over there and I'd
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  Speaker 8: be there. No, if we wanted to go to Beta Centauri,
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  Speaker 8: even if we had like Captain Picard's Enterprise D, we
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  Speaker 8: would have to calculate how's it moving, where is it
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  Speaker 8: going to be by the time I arrive there, and
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  Speaker 8: also where is it actually now, like my now, because
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  Speaker 8: I'm seeing it as it was 900 years in the past.
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  Speaker 8: So I think that's the biggest thing that people's intuition
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  Speaker 8: gets wrong about space.
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  Speaker 5: For example, when we go to Mars... We don't launch
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  Speaker 5: our rockets towards where Mars is. We launch our rockets
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  Speaker 5: towards where Mars is going to be when that rocket arrives.
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  Speaker 5: And when you start talking about bigger distances, other stars,
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  Speaker 5: other galaxies, that's a huge thing you have to keep
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  Speaker 5: in mind is that we are seeing things as they
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  Speaker 5: were in the past. And if we want to get
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  Speaker 5: to where they are today, well, I'll just say you
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of math to do, or you better
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  Speaker 5: have a very well-programmed ship's computer.
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  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 18:40
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• 18:44
  Speaker 4: enamored with your costume section. As a wrestling fan, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: particularly loved your Macho Man Randy Savage costume, but Where
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: does your love of dressing up stem from and what
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: creative abilities do you possess to make them a reality? Like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: do you make any of your costumes? Do you do
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: your makeup?
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. I mean, I make all my costumes.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: All of my makeup, like the Macho King's Randy Savage
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: costume that you saw, like everything. I, I, I bought
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: that fringe and I trimmed it and I sewed it
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: onto that gold coat myself. Um, the evil Lynn costume,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: that was my most recent Halloween costume. I got to
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: make the headpiece and the staff out of a moldable,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: colorful plastic called Instamorph. And that was my first time
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: working with that material.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: And, uh, Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I dressed up as the James Webb Space
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Telescope and I made that whole thing, including that giant
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: five layer sun shield, which now lives underneath my bed
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: because that's kind of the only place it fits. So,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: you know. I've I loved Halloween ever since I can remember.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I remember wanting to be like Cookie Monster when I
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: was three years old. And so, you know, for me,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Halloween was always, always great fun. There was probably a
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: period where when I was in my early teen years
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: where I was too cool for Halloween. And now I
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: realize that was depression. So I don't do that anymore.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: I'm going to know, like, I have fun with this.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I enjoy it. I think it's a good, fun, wholesome
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: way to express myself and my creativity. And if there's
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: something I want to be, my goal is to not
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: be restricted by, oh, well, you know, Ethan, that's a,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: that's a woman character and you're a man or that's
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a horse and you're a human or that like, no,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to let it bother me. Like I'm
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: going to find my own interpretation of whatever it is
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I want to do. And I'm going to be that
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to have fun with it. And I
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: feel as long as I do that, uh, people who
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: see me are going to have fun with it too.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Um, so, um, It's safe to assume that you're a
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: fan of Star Trek Next Generation. Other than that, what
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: is something from the 90s that you're nostalgic for? What
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: things are you nostalgic for from the 90s?
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: The music scene has me very nostalgic. I am not
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: ashamed to say that my first post-pandemic concert is going
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: to come up this year, and I am going to
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: see Iron Maiden, which is possibly even more 80s than 90s,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: but they were, I swear, around.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: In the 90s.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, totally. Um, you know, I, I have a lot
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: of nostalgia for, uh, old school PC gaming. Um, so, uh,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: you know, I remember playing those winter Olympics games and
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: I remember getting my first CD ROM drive. And I remember, uh,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: you know, just playing these silly games. So now when
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: I game, I know like almost everyone loves these online
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: social games, the MMORPGs, and I can't get into any
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: of that. No, give me, I kind of actually miss
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: the Flash games that were around for a while too.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: But 90s stuff is, you know, it hits me in
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: the heart because that's where I grew up. So all
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: of the music from there, the the, the nineties rappers
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: from Sir Mix-A-Lot to Dr. Dre, uh, the nineties grunge scene,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Pearl Jam, Nirvana, uh, Stone Temple Pilots. And, uh, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: and anyone who can wail on an electric guitar gives
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: me like just crazy nostalgia feels as well. Um, so, uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: those are, those are probably the things that I look
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: to that make me feel like, Oh, Oh, that's great.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: And of course, since I grew up in New York, uh,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: A slice of New York pizza will take me back
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: to childhood every time.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for fielding our questions.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But we did ask you here for a specific reason.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And that was to kind of join us in a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: review of my personal favorite Star Trek Next Generation episode,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: The Inner Light.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Captain's log, stardate 45944.1.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Following a magnetic wave survey of the Parvenio system, we
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: have detected.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: An object which we cannot immediately identify.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: Magnify.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Data? It appears to be a probe of some kind,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: but there is no Starfleet record of this shape or design.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Is it scanning us?
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: No, sir, but it has assumed a relative position and
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: is holding course with us.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: The probe is composed of Parisium and Talgonite, a ceramic alloy.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Not a very sophisticated technology.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Sir, I'm detecting a low-level nucleonic beam coming from the probe.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Shields up.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Standby phasers.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: The beam is scanning the shield's perimeter. The probe is
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: emitting an unusual particle stream. Sir, the beam is penetrating
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: our shields. Increase speed to.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Captain.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: It's all right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Captain, I've got you.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: So, in our cold open, our opening scene, the Enterprise
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: is approached by a spacecraft emitting a mysterious particle stream.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Upon trying to identify it, Captain Picard is knocked unconscious.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: After the infamous opening credits, Picard awakes, strangely in a
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: house and not on the Enterprise. A woman calling him
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Cayman informs him that he has been down for more
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: than several days with a fever. Still confused, Picard exits
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: the home into a town where the residents also address
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: him as Cayman. Picard, now as Cayman, tries to get
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: information about his surroundings with the town councilman Bataille, where
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: he learns he is on the planet Catan, a Federation planet. Later,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Kamen confronts the woman who was taking care of him
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: that this is not his life, despite everyone's insistence to
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the contrary. He seeks more information from her, like their
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: form of communication, as well as information on the life
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: that he is occupying, like that this woman is his wife, Aline.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: And his occupation, he learns, is an ironweaver, and he
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: also enjoys playing the flute. He persists on sending a message,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: but before he rests, he noticed her necklace and asked
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: her where she got it. Something came in that gave
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: to her. He is taken aback as this necklace resembles
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the probe that attacked Picard and the Enterprise.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: How are you feeling?
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Caiman?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Can you answer me?
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: What is this place?
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: You're still feverish.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Computer, freeze program.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Computer, end program.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Caiman.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Picard to Enterprise.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Cayman, please don't get up yet.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: You're still not well.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I asked you, what is this place?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: This is your home.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I loved, I love how they kind of stuck close
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to like, I think Picard played it perfectly. Um, because
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: his training in starfleet he knew what kind of questions
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to ask to kind of figure out where he was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: um he was confused i was confused the first time
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: i saw it because i didn't know what was going
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: on so i like that they didn't explain what was
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: happening you had to kind of go along with picard
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to figure out what the hell's.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Going on here i felt frustrated too yeah watching it
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: i'm like just tell me where i'm at but like
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: if somebody in your life was like where am i
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: at you wouldn't be like well jeff.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You are right you'd be taken back yeah yeah Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, I remember seeing that and really thinking like, OK,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: like this is this is building to something and I
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: don't know where it's going to go. At that point
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: in Star Trek, I was already hooked. So I had been.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: you know, I would say the first two seasons were
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: kind of rough. Uh, and then, uh, during the third season,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I think that's when it really started cooking. Um, like
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: the third season was really like pretty much every episode was,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: was great stuff. And so this was all the way
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: in season five. Um, and I was like, okay, like
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: this is, this is a mysterious thing that's happening. And, uh,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: of course when the, when the reveal happens later, which
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: we haven't gotten to yet, uh, it wasn't what I
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: was expecting. I was really expecting something more like, okay,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: is this Q playing a trick on Picard? Is this
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: some alien civilization that's That's trying to wipe his mind.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: What are they trying to gain from him? I thought
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: that it was some sort of transactional setup. In fact,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: it was not.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I thought it could have been a holodeck mess up,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: something going on with the holodeck to where it kind
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: of messed with them. I wasn't really sure, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: but that soup that he eats. Whatever soup it is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that his wife gives him, I want whatever that soup is.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That face, he's like, this is pretty damn good. In
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: my head, I think it's vegetable soup.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But it sounds really good.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: This might be silly, but all I could think of
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: was the Talking Heads song when he's like, this is
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: not my beautiful house.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: This is not my beautiful world. Also, like, Picard's voice
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is just... Perfect. Oh, my gosh. On everything.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for everything.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It just melts. Mm-hmm.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: So, meanwhile, back on the Enterprise, the crew is assessing
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: an unconscious Picard. They try to game plan against the probe,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: but are hesitant to take action as to not harm
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: their captain. On Catan, Aline and Kamen are discussing the
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: memories Picard holds and trying to make sense of their situation.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Picard begins to show affection towards Aline, perhaps giving in
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: to his new livelihood. The councilman returns to take Cayman
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: to the town, where everyone is discussing their situation, a
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: drought affecting the plant life as well as the town's people.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Picard suggests atmospheric condensers as a water source, but is
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: confronted by an administrator on the feasibility of such devices
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and remains skeptical. Councilman Bataille informs Cayman that his sense
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: of community has been missed and is beginning to see
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the Cayman they all know and love. Later, Cayman asks
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Selene if he could build a nursery, and she's delighted
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: by the news, and her and Cayman grow closer and
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: closer to proper normalcy in their marriage.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So i might have missed it yeah so when they're
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: on the on the spaceship because my son my stepson
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: was like yip yapping um so why didn't they put
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: him on the hospital.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Bed or something why did they move him or something
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: yeah they.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Just let him stay on the floor that's what i'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: thinking is like i don't watch star trek next generation
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: like i was a voyager fan but um i feel
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: like the second in command is is eyeing the prize
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: in my opinion but um but i was confused on
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: why they didn't move him and then my second vein
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: so i also watched deep space nine and i know
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: uh wolf has a it seems like maybe he i'm
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: assuming has a bigger role in that with his like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: love interest with like the dax who's super hot dax
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: right I've never watched Deep Space Nine.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Deep Space Nine is probably my second favorite of
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: the Star Trek series behind Next Gen.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I was entertained by that one, but I feel like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the table read with this, you know that meme, like
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this could have been an email? Like, that's what I
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: feel like the actor was, because it seems like he's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: such an interesting character. So somebody who doesn't watch Next Generation,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: but he had like, yes, Captain, like that was his lines.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Like he deserves more of a spotlight.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's such a cool looking guy and like awesome voice.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, like it could have been an email.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Well, they actually kind of liked about this episode that,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I sort of. felt like obviously time is
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: not linear here. Like the time that they're experiencing on
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: the Enterprise is short and the time that Picard is
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: experiencing down you know in, in this new environment is
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously much, much longer amounts of time are passing.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: So I, I had just assumed like, okay, like what's
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: happening down there versus what's happening over on, on the bridge.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: These are like, what's happening on the bridge is taking
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: place in a very short amount of time. We're talking
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: like minutes and, versus what's happening down, you know, that
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Picard is experiencing is happening over the period of, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: first weeks and then years.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So does this, after this episode, does it, spoiler alerts,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: but does it, like, affect that character mentally that he
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: went through this, like, spending years in this civilization?
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: A little bit. They carry some of that through. But
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, I don't know if it's possible.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know that this is how it actually works,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: but I think Picard had already reached his maximum amount
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: of PTSD. From, uh, from his, from his time and experiences,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: both with the board and with Q that I, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: think like once he realized what this was, um, Like
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing he took with him was that that
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: little flute.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: He just Taylor Swift and shook it off.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Well, the crazy thing, too, is so when we see
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Picard again, five years have passed and he's playing hot
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: cross buns. So it took five years to learn hot
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: cross buns. That's very patient of Picard. And then I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: feel like. I can play multiple instruments and I feel
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: like it'd take me at most five days to learn
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Hot Cross Buns on a flute. Maybe I should do
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it just for a test, just to see.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And then I'll be superior to Picard in at least
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: one way.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: At least for me during this point in the episode,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I just couldn't determine if Picard is like placating these
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: people or if he's actually experiencing like this new life.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Like I had a hard time, like, is he.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Actually becoming Caiman or is he just like playing Caiman
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: to like placate these people and not like, I don't know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: give his tell or something.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little bit both. Cause I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know, just in my, if, if,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: if I were in that situation and if I just
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: kept saying, Hey, I'm from space, I'm from space. We
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: were like, okay, well there's something not going, going on,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you know, something not right. Greg's a pretty smart dude.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And so I feel like it was, I think he,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that's why I liked this episode so much is because
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: he never had a family. He never thought he could
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: be a family man. Cause he was so married to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the stars to her later on. He actually says like, Oh,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I never wanted children, but I'm glad I have them. Essentially.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: So I think it was it was kind of breaking
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: down his heart exterior in a way to have a family.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So that's why I think it's so emotional, too. It's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: just I love this episode so much.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: It's really good. We really get to see a side
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: of Picard that has to this point been really like.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: you know, he hasn't been able to explore because he's
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: so responsibility driven. He's so duty driven and so loyal
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: and devoted to his crew and the ideals of the
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Federation that when he, you know, this is, I would
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: say the only episode where we got to see anything
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: close to this was the episode Family from the previous
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: season after he got back from his ordeal with the
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Borg and and he went back to France to his
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: hometown and he met with his brother and his nephew. Um,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: you know, that, that's really the, uh, you know, more
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: of the, the family psychological side of Picard that we
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: got to see, um, seeing him in this, I, I
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: sort of imagine like, you know, what would you do
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: if you found yourself in a situation where you were like, okay, um,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: So I led my life up until this point. And
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: now I'm clearly in a different situation. Like everything is
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: different now and there's no way out of this. And
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: when I was watching this, I remember thinking, okay, like
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: we've seen Picard in situations where things don't add up.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: And he's always looking for clues about like, where are
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: the cracks in this? Like who, Who set this up?
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: What are the things that don't jive? And the fact
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: that he didn't have those things, that he didn't come
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: to a realization about what those things are in the
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: episode told me that this is probably as legit as
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: it can get. There's probably like, okay, I'm on this
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: world and this world has its own issues and You know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: this isn't like some situation where someone's trying to push
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: me together with some alien and we don't speak the
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: same language or it's just two of us and we
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: it's got to be us against nature. Like, no, this
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: is me as part of a tight knit community. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: we're trying to navigate through crises together. And that that's,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: you know, that's a change of pace. But it's it's
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: not an unpleasant one. Yeah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I just actually bought a statue of Darmok and Jelada.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And in the picture, it looked huge. And then when
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I got it, it was about three inches. But it's like, whatever.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just a little salty about that. I'm still keeping it, but.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It's not really a statue if it's three inches.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: It's not a statue. Why did they... Anyways, but yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: It's dope.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: It's really good quality, but not nearly as what I thought.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I'm curious, because this is my first time watching anything
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Star Trek related.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy, but yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: But hearing this, like, this is sort of a... sort
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: of a departure from how Picard normally is. Did fans
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: at this time enjoy these little departures from him? Or
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: were people just like, give me my, I want my Picard,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: you know, like I want my stone face.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Didn't my, I personally loved it. I think any acting
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that Patrick Stewart does is going to be great. I don't,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know, so I, I loved it. Me personally.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: I think what people really look for because Star Trek
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: was generally such an ensemble show and, uh, that it
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: wasn't really about like captain Picard, who I, I think
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: of after, you know, the conclusion of next gen, I,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I think of him as like, he's the ultimate space dad.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Like if I was in space, like he's like everyone's
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: surrogate dad on that ship. He's the voice of reason.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: He's thoughtful. He's kind. He's generous. Uh, and when he
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: screws up, he owns up to it. And that, uh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: That's that's real hard to come by, especially in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: 80s and 90s when this was airing. You know, people,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: I think, really expected, especially initially, a more Captain Kirk
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: like figure. And Picard is really in many ways the
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: anti Kirk. And I think he's I think the show
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: is a lot stronger for him.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: So for that, I don't think people were disappointed that, oh,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I didn't get to see Picard like be in his
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: typical Picard self. I think it was more like it
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: was a real red herring the first sort of half
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: of the episode to me because it made you feel
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: like what the episode was about was figuring out this
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: mystery of, Where is Jean-Luc Picard and what is happening
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: to him? And I think it's only when you get
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: very close to the end of the episode that you
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: realize that that's not what the episode's about at all. Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Well, it shows like what what a real leader he is, too,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: because even in this foreign experience, like he's willing to
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: be compassionate and stand up and, you know. offer solutions
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: to the town.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And, uh, yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: So just, I, how you're describing him there, it's just like,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: it just shows that he's a born leader, like a
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: true leader.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Right. Yeah. Great.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: God, I love Star Trek.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Captain incoming message.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: That crazy old Andy. He sure does love Star Trek.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Hey, I know we're having a
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: lot of fun for this episode, but I did want
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to take a quick second. and just make sure that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you knew about our other podcast Dungeons and Decades this
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: podcast is a 90s themed Dungeons and Dragons podcast where
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: four strangers get sucked into the 90s verse and they
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: have to make their way back home it's filled with
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: fun and adventure so after this episode make sure you
• 39:30
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• 39:33
  Speaker 1: on Spotify, Apple, or anywhere you listen to podcasts. Okay,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: let's get back to some Star Trek. Dungeons & Decades,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Dungeons & Decades. So at the Enterprise, the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: crew is planning to save their captain.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: They have identified the materials of the probe, and data
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: suggests bouncing the particle stream back.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Dr.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Crusher is hesitant to pursue as the risks are incalculable.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Cutting off the probe could cause irreparable damage. However, Worf
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: and Riker feel they need to act now, instructing data
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: to go ahead with the suggested plan. Back at Catan,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Cayman and Aline, now with two children, are hosting guests
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: as he plays the flute. Time is passing quickly as
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: their new child is named Bataille in honor of the
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: now-late Councilman. At the party, Kamen collapses, affecting his body
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: on the Enterprise as the crew attempts to save him,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: a consequence of the beam losing its attachment to Picard.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Data restores the beam and thus stabilizes Picard. At Catan, Kamen,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: now much older, is discussing soil with his now-adult daughter
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: and still assessing the drought. On the Enterprise, after stabilizing Picard,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Lieutenant Commander LaForge has determined.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the probe's.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Origin at Catan and data is able to determine that
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: all life on Catan was destroyed a thousand years ago.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is crazy when you're watching it, you're like, what?
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: You know, what's happening now? It's a twist for sure.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder what happened to Batai though. I like, I mean,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: they didn't explain it, which is fine. But when I
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: saw Batai, I was like, where do I know the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: actor from? So I started looking up his IMDB and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I think I remember from Office Space, that's where my
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: mind was going from. But I found out he was
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in a movie called Night, or it was called Helen
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Keller versus Night Wolves.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's a good movie.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Have you seen it?
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck yeah. Have I seen it?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Have I seen a Helen Keller movie?
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I love the tagline. It goes, uh, Night Wolves
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: terrorize a village by taking people, uh, taking people's hearing
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and eyesight until one woman fights back. That's wild. Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So I like to think that he left this village
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: because he heard of another village getting attacked by Night Wolves.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: It tells the origin story of how Helen Keller lost her.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: That's a crazy movie. I like that idea.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: There needs to be no i'm not gonna go there
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: needs to be like a mcu universe but like with
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like helen keller stephen hawking and you know like those
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: like people join forces okay.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: There you go that'd be kind of funny yeah i
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: think with that marvel what if i think it'd be
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: fun to switch picard for kirk in episodes like you
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: know how marvel is that what if show what if
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the whole same crew but different captains and to see
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: how they would handle it differently that'd be.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Really cool show There would be a lot more broken
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: treaties if that happened.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: When I was watching this, because I haven't watched it
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: since I was younger, but my cousins are obsessed with
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Star Trek. And I was telling my co-host earlier that
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I wanted to fit in with my cousins. So the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: only toy that I ever had growing up that was
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Star Trek was Beverly.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Beverly.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Like that was the only, I just loved her for some,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: maybe cause like nurture or something like that. She's like
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: a bad-ass too, I thought.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: But that was the only Star Trek toy I've ever
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: had was her little action figure.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Gates McFadden. She's dope.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: She's really cool.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: So, um, let's get back on the story.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Fantastic dancer.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yep.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Um, to get back at the story, it's like, um,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: time is accelerating like so much faster now, um, compared
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: to like how the first half of the.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Episode is gone.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Um, And so at this point you're.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Just like– I don't know.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: At first I was like skeptical at like what Picard
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: was either placating these people or not. But now I'm
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: at the point where like he's clearly invested his whole
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: life into these people. And it's– I'm still at this
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: point not sure what the– like what the connection is
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: or what the twist is that's coming.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me so sad too. Like anytime there's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like a bleak– there's like a bleak outcome to where
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: no matter what you do, there's going to be failure.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And that's actually one of my favorite Picard quotes where
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: he goes, sometimes you can fail without making any mistake.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: That's not failure.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: That's life.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I may be getting a.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Little bit wrong. I remember that one. I remember that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: He says, it's possible to make no mistakes and still lose.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: That is not a failing.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: That is life. Yes, exactly. And so I kind of
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: feel like this episode when his son's asking to be
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: a musician. But think about what he wanted to do before, sculptor, botanist,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and mathematics. I'm like, that's incredible. But then Picard's like, well,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: who knows how long he's going to have to play
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: music anyways.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, ugh.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And it just hurts my heart thinking, like, he knows
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: there's nothing he can do, so he just has to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: kind of, like, go along with everybody.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: My stepson wants to be a YouTuber.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Like, so why can't my stepson, you know.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Actually, you know, coming at this from a scientist's point
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: of view now, even though a thousand years is a
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: pretty short timescale, what seems to have happened down on
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: that planet is very reminiscent to me of what very
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: likely happened on Mars in the ancient past. That Mars
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: was for over a billion years, this water rich world
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: that possibly even had life. on its surface in a
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: biosphere like Earth did. But because Mars is smaller and
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: farther from the sun, its core lost its magnetic dynamo.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: And here on Earth, it's our planet-wide magnetic field that
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: protects us from the solar wind that keeps the solar
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: wind from stripping our atmosphere away. And on Mars, they
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: were able, with the MAVEN mission, to measure that the
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: solar wind is still stripping the atmosphere away so they
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: can go back and calculate and say, hey, what happened
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: on Mars? And it turned out it was this water-rich
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: world with liquid water in many places on its surface.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: And it had clouds and weather and all of this
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: and a similar rotational period to Earth. Maybe it had
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: life once, but not anymore. Because once that magnetic field
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: went away in the span of just a few tens
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: of millions of years, the entire atmosphere is stripped away.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: And now it's so tenuous, it's less than 1% of
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: what it is on earth that you can't even have
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: water in the liquid state on the surface because there's
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: not enough pressure. You can only have solid or gas.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: That is crazy.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: And so watching this, I was like, Oh my God. Like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: you know, watching it in hindsight, I didn't know this
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: when I was 14 or so. You know, I was like, Oh, like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: That's what happened is this world is dying. It's losing
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: its ability to have liquid water be that source of life,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: that all life as we know it needs.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. That changes the whole episode. That's insane.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And thinking back on this last scene and sort of
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: the discussion we're having about Picard, it shows his leadership
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: skills because this whole crew worked really well in a
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: crisis without him.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: You know, like there's not a lot of huge egos
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: like there may be some conflict with the decision making. But,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: you know, I think like everyone listens to each other
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: and hears each other out and is working really hard
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: to save their captain. But it shows like the the
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: the best markings of a leader is how his crew
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: or his people below him are going to act, you know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: and so. It's pretty cool to see, like, the character
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: of Picard really showing through even when he's not there.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. This is awesome. Yeah, I
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: didn't even think about that. That's cool.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: But the brown-haired woman was in this episode.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Troy?
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: The brown-haired woman.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She's half Betazoid, Jeff. I'm sorry.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Thank you for calling him out.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I need to watch more Star Trek to become more enlightened,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Measure of Man is a great episode, too. They're trying
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: to argue to see whether... Data is actually a life
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: or not like this, you know, that's another, that's maybe
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: my second favorite. Who is that guy?
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: That one's my favorite. That one is actually from a
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: season two.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Yep. But, uh, yeah, for me, like I would say, uh,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: you know, that, that one is, that one's an amazing,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: amazing episode where it's, you know, um, you, you wouldn't
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: think that a bottle episode, that's basically like a courtroom
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: drama where they put data on trial for his right
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: to his own life and, Is he a man or
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: is he a machine? Is he alive? Is he not?
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Does he have the right to his own autonomy? To me,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: that sort of ethical question is at the core of
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: what makes Star Trek so wonderful is where it's sort
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: of this combination of science and ethics and right and
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: wrong and You know, I really love the airing on
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: the side of, you know, on rights, airing on the
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: side of giving someone or something rights in an ambiguous situation.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: I think that's really that's really a fantastic message. And
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: it shows up again and again, such as when they
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: have the nanites, the little nano bots that they make.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: And they're like, nope. It evolves. it turned itself into
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: something new. We're going to treat it like it's alive.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: We're going to let it be its own thing. Uh,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: when Moriarty, the hologram started to display signs that he
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: had gone beyond his own programming, they wouldn't turn him off.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: They gave him his own little, and you just exist
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: in your own. Uh, like if you saw the Christmas
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: episode of black mirror with Jon Hamm, where he's got
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: that little terror universe that he keeps people in. Like, yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: they just put Moriarty in one of those. But it
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: wasn't creepy like it is in Black Mirror.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I like that guy in Voyager, the hologram guy.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I like him. But then when I watch like Terminator
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: 2 Judgment Day and stuff, I'm kind of weary of A.I.
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: 's.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: To be air on the side of safety, every time
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I ask Alexa to do anything, I say, please and
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: thank you. And my girlfriend makes fun of me, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, when they take over the world, they'll
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: remember I am very nice and they hopefully won't make
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: me a slave.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Have you ever told Alexa that you pooped?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: No, never once.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Because she'll do like a round of thunderous applause.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: It's so great.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: I have no smart devices in my home.
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: Oh, no.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: I do not want Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg or
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: any of those people knowing anything that goes on. around
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: me i'm perfectly content to use things like light switches.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: A remote control but at the same time like when
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: i'm when i'm chit-chatting with like my spouse or something
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and i'm talking about a certain kind of shoe and
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: then it shows up on my phone i'm like that's
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: so convenient and it's like a free service that they.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Offer you can actually have alexa call you captain and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: you can change the name to computer so i can
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: go computer please turn up the smooth jazz yes captain
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: i'm like fuck yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: No but i don't want to get so lazy i
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: can't turn on a light switch though True.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I like, I like Ethan's mindset here.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: If you don't need, you know, I'll tell you a
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: few years ago, I was, uh, I was, I was
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: at work for a thing and, uh, people were trying
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: to turn on the TV in the conference room to
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: have a conference and they could not find the remote control.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: And it was this huge search. Everyone went off looking
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: for the remote control. And I stood up and I
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: walked over to the TV and I touched it with
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: my finger on the little power button and it turned
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: on and everyone else was like, oh like they forgot
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: that was.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: The thing like yeah you could just push the button.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: But that's in their defense though you're a scientist.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: See i thought you were gonna say something in my
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: defense in their defense like ethan's like 43 oh yeah.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Do you like funny stuff Well, if you answered yes
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: to any of my questions, go make sure to check
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: out Take a Grip. It's a Dungeons & Dragons podcast,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and it's super hilarious.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Perfect. Well, we've got one last portion of this episode here. So, Kamen,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: now much older, is told by his now-adult son, Batai,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: that he is leaving school for music. Kamen reluctantly accepts
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: this news with the help of Aline. Perhaps on edge
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: as he is confronting the Administrator tomorrow about the planet's
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: increasing eco-collapse. Upon informing the Administrator, the Administrator is aware
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: of these conclusions as his team had the same findings,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: but almost powerless to act. Bataille interrupts them as Aline
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: has collapsed. Aline passes away in front of Kamen. Now,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: even later, Kamen is bitter, mostly at the aspect of
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: his kids and grandkids having a grim future as the
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: planet deteriorates. In the town, the people gather for a
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: missile launch. He learns that the launch is the same
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: missile that reached his ship as Bataille and Aline explain
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: its purpose. If these memories of them can be inserted
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: into Picard, then they have found life again. They ask
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: that Picard to tell others of how those of Catan lived.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: You saw it just before you came here. We hoped
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: our probe would encounter someone in the future. Someone who
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: could be a teacher.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Someone who could tell the others about us.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's me. Isn't it?
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I'm the someone.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I'm the one it finds.
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: That's what this laundry is. A probe that finds me
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: in the future.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, my love. me the rest of us have been
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: gone a thousand years if you remember what we were
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and how we lived then we'll have found life again.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: On the enterprise the probe ceases its stream and picard
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: begins to regain consciousness slowly picard starts to regain his
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: own memories and asks how long he was out as
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: reicher informs him just 25 minutes Picard now recovered in
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: his study as Riker enters to give Picard something they
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: found on the probe. Picard inspects and discovers that it's
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: the flute Caiman played on Catan. Alone, he plays it
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: as the episode credits roll.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Come.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Hello, sir. Feeling better? Yes. Yes, thank you. But I
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: find that I'm... I'm having to rediscover that this is
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: really my home. We were able to open the probe
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: and examine it. Apparently, whatever had locked onto you must
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: have been self-terminating. It isn't functioning any longer. We found
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: this inside.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: When he's holding on to that flute.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think everyone who's a Star Trek fan
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: cries at least a little bit at the end when
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: he plays that mournful song on the flute.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: And, you know, I think it's really such an emotional
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: episode for the fact that, you know, What we learn
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: at that moment is that he's gone and encountered basically
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: this time capsule of an entire civilization. And he is
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: meant to be the last living memory of life on
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: this planet. That he that that's what this was this
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: all of this was to let him have that experience
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: so that that experience would at least live on that
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: it would outlive anything on that planet. It's, you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: it makes me think, you know, with with all that
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: I know about space in the universe today, it makes
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: me think, you know, how many civilizations like human civilization
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: have there been that um no longer exist either due
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: to uh climate change or evolution or a nuclear war
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: or you know an environmental catastrophe asteroid strike like anything
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: that could have wiped out a civilization or maybe like
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: will happen to our planet in a billion or two
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: years maybe its sun just got hot enough that the
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: oceans boil away. And like all of this is, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: it forces us to reckon with that everything is transient,
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: that everything that we experience on a long enough timescale
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: will all go away. But at the same time, what
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: matters are the connections we make with each other, the
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: ways we influence other people, the, the positive impact we
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: have on the world and on others around us. And,
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: and I think this, um, that, that, uh, sort of
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: helps Picard grow that, that, that, that experience of having
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: had a family life of having had a, a life
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: partner that he shared decades of his life with that
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: at having, uh, had a family and having kids who,
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: you know, really went and disappointed him. And he came
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: to terms with that and accepted them for who they were,
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: even though it wasn't what he expected or wanted for them.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Like all of that was, you know, to have all
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: of that in just a single episode in, in 25
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: minutes of his life. That's, that's, that's a remarkable experience.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: It's a heartbreaking experience in a lot of ways, but
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: it's also like such a profound one. And at the
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: end of it, you know, I think, I think you
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: feel the fragility of all of human civilization and everyone
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: you've ever known in your life, but also like you,
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: you get to feel how, how precious and remarkable it
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: is that, that anyone had that time at all. Like
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: you don't feel sad that. his kids had to endure
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: this collapsing environment you're you're happy that he embraced and
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: accepted his kids for who they were with the time
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: they had together um and you know you don't feel
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: sad that his wife died after uh after decades of
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: life with him, you feel happy that he got to
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: experience this love that he never really had in his life. Um, yeah.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: And so that sort of thing I think is, uh,
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: you know, it's, it just adds to the beauty of
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: the episode.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: One, 100%. I, I, that's another thing too. It's cause
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: he's mourning the loss of his friends and family too,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, because he lived that life.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: He fell in love with all those people.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: The acting his wife does when she's dying, it's fucking great. Like,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it's so good. Like, I start tearing up. But the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: doctor is kind of shady when he first walked in
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: because he's like, I wrote it down, actually. He goes,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the doctor said, hey, sorry, and then just leaves. It's whatever,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: but no, it's great acting. I think what you said
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: is perfect, especially when he's talking to his daughter. He's like,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: live for the now. You've got to worry about the now, essentially,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: you know? And I think having those memories of happiness
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: and mourning your loved ones, it reminds me of one
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: of my favorite sayings from Dante's Inferno when it's, there's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And I think it's so true because... even though he
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: did get to experience all that stuff you're still it's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: still a loss like you still lost something you still
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: lost a part of yourself so having that flu just
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: validates it oh i love it i'm gonna tear up
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: it's so fucking good it's really.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Smart and and as you said ethan beautiful and it
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: it means so much more that he had to live
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: those experience because i mean if they just sent a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: probe and then it was like a film of their
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: civilization maybe that's not as meaningful to somebody or maybe
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: they're not going to retain that information but having to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: live in that civilization with these people and invest himself
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: in it. Like, of course he's going to live with
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: those the rest of his life now. And then of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: course they get their mission that they live on. Like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: it was a really smart written episode.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, if that's what the metaverse was, I think
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: I would feel very differently about it. If the metaverse
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: was someplace where you could go and have that sort
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: of experience where you could learn, what is it like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: to be a, this person in this situation on this planet,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: like that's, that's, that's amazing. If you can do that.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: And I imagine you can do that because in many ways,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: this is just like, you ever have one of those
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: crazy vivid dreams where you feel like you, you like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: live a significant part of a lifetime in a single, like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: you know, for me, usually fever dream. You know, I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: think like, that's, that's kind of what this was that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: this is one of those experiences that stick with him. And,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: and all I can think of is like, thank goodness
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: they have those replicators and those holodecks so that, he
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: can have that flute and he can play it. I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: was amazed that he, he kept all that talent. It
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: wasn't like, you know, some Futurama episode where his mind
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: is mush. Um, like, no, this is, uh, this is,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: this is real. This is a part of him. And, uh,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: you know, it's, it's just really precious today. These days,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: it makes me think of like my, my grandparents and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: all the people who are no longer living that have
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: been in my life, um, that, um, wow, if there
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: was some way that I could get other people to know,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: not just like who these people were, but if they
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: could feel like the profound impact that just the fact
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: that they loved me had on me, like, I think that's,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: that's a really powerful thing. And I'm sure you didn't
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: bring an astrophysicist on to have me talk about love.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: And Star Trek. Yeah, I even wrote down, I was like,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: it makes me want to go back to when my
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: daughters are like four and five because the feeling you get,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: but you can, you can never go back. And so
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: that's part of this episode is you got to live
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: for the now and enjoy it. It's just great. I
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: It's awesome.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: I think for me too, like as somebody who's never
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: seen the show before, You sort of have these expectations
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: of maybe just like a generic sense of what sci-fi
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: series are. And, you know, it's like every episode maybe
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: there's just a conflict. But here it's a beautiful story.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Does it have anything to do with maybe the series
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: as a whole?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Like does it really affect anything? But for them to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: take a departure from, I don't know, like a conflict
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: or a mission or something like that to just tell
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: a really amazing story makes me want to invest some
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: more time in watching the series now.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, Star Trek, really, you have to remember
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: Star Trek The Next Generation aired back as an episodic thing.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like, oh, we have like this big, long
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: arc that continues. Like Voyager is a little more like that,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: although I also look at Voyager as a bit like
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: Gilligan's Starship, like, you know. You know, we're lost in
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: space and we've got, you know, to get home and oh,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: what about this thing? And let's try hooking the coconuts
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: up to the warp core. And oh, maybe it'll work.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: And oh, no, we lost containment.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: The monkeys are here now.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: Oh, darn.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: We're never going to get off this island.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: That's funny. That's awesome.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: Right on.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: Well, any final thoughts on the episode as a whole
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: or anything we didn't touch on?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: When we do these things, I like to try to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: find bad reviews and read a one-star review. There are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a few one-stars on IMDb and around tomatoes, but not
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: enough for anybody to actually write anything. So I couldn't
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: find anything, but I did get a 9.5 rating.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. It's worth it. For anybody that's ever
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: watched Star Trek, this is my personal favorite episode. I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if this would be the best first episode
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: to watch just because how great everything is. I think
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: without knowing a little bit more about Picard, it doesn't
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: hit as much as it does after you get to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: know Picard a little bit. But I would say this
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: is like a top five if you're getting new to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Star Trek, I guess. That's fair.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a it's an outstanding episode. It's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: definitely it's definitely up in among the pantheon of my
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: favorite Star Trek The Next Generation episodes, along with Measure
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: of a Man, along with the two part cliffhanger about Locutus,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: along with the one where he gets kidnapped by the Cardassians.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: There are four lights. So fucking good. That saying when
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: he's like, well, if you teach them to disregard life,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: then they'll are So something about like if you teach
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: kids to think humans are like a lesser life form,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: it's only one step away from treating anybody like it's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: one lesser life form. I can't remember exactly what he says,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: but great episode.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: We just got a.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: Great list of things to go seek out now, too.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: So that's awesome.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I need to watch more of this because it's very moral.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: And I've been watching, like, Ozark and, like, You and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: stuff where I'm, like, rooting for, like.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: The murderer.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: And, like, the criminals.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I need to watch more of the moral.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: A little more back to reality.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is... This is... If you like The Good Place.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love The Good Place.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: Star Trek The Next Generation, you know, gives you it
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: feeds that same part of your brain in a lot
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: of ways, because what what they do is they walk
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: you up to the line where you don't know what
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: the right thing to do is. And, you know, a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: lot of times you have that like in your gut,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: like this is the correct course of action. This is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: the moral thing to do. And without getting all heavy
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: handed about it, like they do in Battlestar Galactica, sometimes
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: you don't want to do the absolute moral correct thing.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: Sometimes you want to do the smart thing. And Star
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Trek The Next Generation does an excellent job of sort
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: of walking that line, you know, as much as you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: can when you're, you know, in space with, like, superpower technology.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: The only thing I'm going to say about Sidebar Super
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Small is when they age Picard in this episode and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: they give him, like, the old man hat, I was like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: my grandpa totally has that hat.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Like, that's, like, whoever's, like, the costume person was like,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: give me that old man hat. Like, they nailed it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: When he was playing with his grandson, though, and he
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: was like, give me the toy. That was... fucking that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: scary as hell. Could have like, right. It was just
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: me with the makeup and give me, give me the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: toy or whatever. I was like, it reminds me of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: like the leprechaun from, you know, there's all leprechaun movies.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I have a question for you, Ethan.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Um, and maybe you don't know this, but I'm curious
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: now that after watching this, how the writing team was composed, um,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: how much, like how much, how much did the writing
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: team rely on? Like maybe scientist opinions or their knowledge
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: of science and space. Um, And how much of it
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: was people who were just able to tell a beautiful story?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: Well, Star Trek, the original series, it was rooted in
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: some science concepts. But the writer's room was primarily composed
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: of writers like DC Fontana. When you got to the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: next generation... they started to bring on consultants to get
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: things right. When they did the Locutus Borg episode, like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: handheld or tabletop lasers were a new thing. And so
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: when they hooked that laser up to the side of
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: his eye and it goes right into the camera, like
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: that was a novel thing that they were experimenting with.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: As far as, you know, getting the science absolutely right,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: you know, there's there's a large amount of what we
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: call trek no babble in there, which is just to
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: say like, oh, like we need to solve this problem. Well,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: let's just make up a word. about things and we'll
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: call it, oh, we made chronoton particles.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: There are no chronoton particles, like at least not yet.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: Like we don't know what to do that, but you know, oh, well,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: how do we fight the anti-time anomaly? Oh, we'll emit
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: chronoton particles. Oh, we'll look for a tachyon signature and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: maybe that'll, you know, expose the cloaking device, you know?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: So I think there's a lot of science there, but
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: also like, don't take it too seriously. You know, don't
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: get wrapped up in that and be like, well, real
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: cloaking devices don't work in a wavelength independent way like that. Like, no,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: like what are you doing? Like that's, don't tell Star
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: Trek how its technology works, just like accept that it works.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: And if you need to cook up an explanation for it,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: you know, you can read my book where that's what
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: we do is we sort of like, okay, if you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: want to mix technology, the fiction with the reality here's
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: the plausible way to do it and in some cases
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: we've done it like nobody nobody thinks like oh i'm.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: Living in the future when you step onto the thing
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: in front of the grocery store and the door is
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: open you're not like wow you know but but in
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: the original series that was kind of a big deal
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: when they had the sliding doors it was like amazing
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: um You know, so, you know, now we look at
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: like all the computer stuff that they feature on Star
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: Trek The Next Generation.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: And it's hard to be impressed by it because, you know,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: they envision like, oh, you can have this massive computer
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: as big as the ship.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: And you're like, dude, I could fit all of Wikipedia
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: on the phone drive. Like, I don't really know why
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: I need this giant computer that can't even understand, you know,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: the computer's just as dumb as anything. as Google maps
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  Speaker 5: is where you're like, Hey Google, what does the box say?
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Andy, I think you picked a good episode. Cause
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  Speaker 4: now I'm like seeing a, a, such a well-written story.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm invested now. Like I want to.
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  Speaker 5: Get into it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we can have a Star Trek watch parties
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  Speaker 1: anytime you want. I'm down.
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  Speaker 4: Um, perfect. Well, uh, any other last thoughts before we
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  Speaker 4: say our goodbyes here?
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  Speaker 1: Um, no, no, I can't really think of anything.
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  Speaker 4: Any other thoughts on the episode?
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah um if you like this episode i encourage
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  Speaker 5: you to watch more star trek because it will uh
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  Speaker 5: you know i think particularly here in 2022 uh we
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  Speaker 5: could all use any excuse and any role models that
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  Speaker 5: show the importance of being kind and compassionate towards one
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  Speaker 5: another and i think that star trek the next generation
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  Speaker 5: really is um you know like this really one of
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  Speaker 5: the most You know, paragons of a series for treating
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  Speaker 5: everyone with respect, even people who are so different from
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  Speaker 5: you that you don't understand them at all. And that's,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's, I think, an important message to remember that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, no matter how different. We look from one another,
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  Speaker 5: sound from one another, believe from one another, behave from
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: one another, that we are all creatures of this planet.
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  Speaker 5: And we all have the same shared cosmic story that
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  Speaker 5: brings us together. And the least we can do is
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  Speaker 5: treat one another with care and respect.
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  Speaker 1: Well said. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Ethan Siegel, we so much appreciate you lending your
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  Speaker 4: expertise on Star Trek. This was truly a pleasure talking
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  Speaker 4: with you. But before you go, please let our listeners
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  Speaker 4: know where they can find you and anything else you
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  Speaker 4: want to share.
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  Speaker 1: Where they can get your book, maybe any of that info.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm Ethan Siegel. You can find me at StartsWithABang.com.
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  Speaker 5: You can give me a follow at StartsWithABang on Twitter.
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  Speaker 5: You can follow the StartsWithABang page on Facebook. I have
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  Speaker 5: a Patreon you can subscribe to and a podcast on
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  Speaker 5: SoundCloud that, surprise, surprise, is the Start to the Bang podcast.
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  Speaker 5: And if you want to know what I've got in
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  Speaker 5: the pipeline, in addition to my first two books, Beyond
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: the Galaxy and Technology, I also am putting together a
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  Speaker 5: new book called the Encyclopedia Cosmologica, which I am working
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  Speaker 5: on with legendary space artists John Lomberg and Mark Garlick. and, uh,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: graphic designer, uh, William Lidwell. And, uh, I hope that this, uh,
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  Speaker 5: comes up for sale, uh, soon, but if you want,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: you can follow Ecosmologica on Twitter and you can follow
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: the link to pre-purchase and get a sneak peek at
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: all the good stuff we're working on. So, uh, thanks
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  Speaker 5: for having me on the show and thanks for, um,
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  Speaker 5: you know, letting me share a little bit of my,
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  Speaker 5: love for space and star Trek with everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, no, we appreciate it. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll make sure to link all those in the
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  Speaker 4: show notes on our social pages.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and yeah, thanks again. Take care of yourself. Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: My pleasure. You as well.
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  Speaker 1: Live long and prosper. I had to do it. I
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