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Mocking out the Nationals starting rotation in 2027 · District Territory

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the District Territory Podcast. I'm Eric Shellhouse
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  Speaker 1: from bat Boys Baseball and joining me today. Spencer does
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  Speaker 1: bound from the Athletic. The Nationals losing streak continues as
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  Speaker 1: they drop the opener in Texas against the Rangers five
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  Speaker 1: ten nothing. They are now twenty two and eighteen overall
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  Speaker 1: interleague play this season. It was the second major league
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  Speaker 1: start for Jackson Kent. He was unfortunately receiving his first
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  Speaker 1: major league loss in this one. The post game, Blake
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  Speaker 1: Ye Terra said he just wasn't really able to get
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  Speaker 1: his footing. It just never really came together. There was
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  Speaker 1: something happening each inning, a lot of traffic there, but
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  Speaker 1: it did seem like he commanded the zone a lot
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  Speaker 1: better than he did in his first start. Spencer encouraging
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  Speaker 1: stuff in my opinion from him last night.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I would say the command was better. I would.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if pushback is the right word. I'm
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  Speaker 2: still a little wary of the control up in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues. Part of what makes it so surprising that
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying that is the fact that that was, if
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  Speaker 2: not his bread and butter like, pretty close to it.
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  Speaker 2: In the minor leagues right where. Part of the reason
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  Speaker 2: why he was going from Double A top, part of
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  Speaker 2: the reason he was promoted from Triple A to the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues is because it felt like he had command
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  Speaker 2: of all four or even five of his pitches. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why it's surprising to see him kind of deal
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  Speaker 2: with this up here. I wouldn't say I'm shocked to
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  Speaker 2: see him have a little bit of a learning curve
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  Speaker 2: per se, because the stuff isn't you know, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: the slider and curveball and change up our good pitches,
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  Speaker 2: but not necessarily the sort of you know, plus plus
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  Speaker 2: plus pitches that you might see from like a Mizowski
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  Speaker 2: or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very different profile from some other guys that
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  Speaker 2: are in the big leagues. But I still think this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of a helpful learning curve for him to understand,
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  Speaker 2: here's how my stuff plays up here, here's how I
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  Speaker 2: need to get ahead of hitters. And for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: he did do a better job getting ahead of early accounts,
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  Speaker 2: but he still saw the mechanics a little bit out
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  Speaker 2: of whack in his in his outing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And for what it's worth, even though the Nationals
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  Speaker 1: were shut out for just the fourth time this season,
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Williams kept them in the game. Man, he's been
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  Speaker 1: great since coming back seven games, fourteen and two thirds
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  Speaker 1: with a one to eighty four. He has been superb,
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  Speaker 1: but doesn't appear to be part of the future plans
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  Speaker 1: for this rotation Spencer, and that's what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: focus on in today's episode. Jesiah Grade tweeted out that
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  Speaker 1: he would be throwing soon. I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 1: worth talking much about a few episodes ago, but he
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  Speaker 1: finally made that rehab start in Fredericksburg yesterday. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a long road for him coming back, but as you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned on Twitter there the other day, encouraging to see
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  Speaker 1: this happening in mid August. What does this mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess overall for Josiah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a first and foremost just awesome that he's
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  Speaker 2: finally back on the mound.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you talk to anyone in the Nationals clubhouse,
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  Speaker 2: anyone around the team, anyone who knows jos I personally
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  Speaker 2: just first and foremost like a great human being who
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  Speaker 2: has worked really hard to get back to this point
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  Speaker 2: and has had to deal with setbacks that are really unfortunate.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously out of his control right And so just
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  Speaker 2: first and foremost awesome to see him back on the
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  Speaker 2: mound in mid August, even if it was just for
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  Speaker 2: an inning yesterday. And the possibility of him pitching in
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  Speaker 2: the big leagues this year is obviously not out of
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  Speaker 2: the question, which is part of why I brought up
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  Speaker 2: the timing earlier. And so yeah, just first and foremost
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  Speaker 2: awesome to see him get back on the mound. And
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  Speaker 2: as for future plans, I think that's still uncertain, as
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about a little bit later in next week's episode,
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely has the potential to come back this year,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, looking ahead to later on in the series of Nationals,
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  Speaker 1: get Kaide Kabali on the back player Today, Rangers still
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  Speaker 1: have not announced a probable pitcher. We speculate that maybe
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  Speaker 1: we will have a reunion with Mackenzie Gore tomorrow, but
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  Speaker 1: they have Kumar Rocker throwing later today, and Andrew Alvarez
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  Speaker 1: gets the rock for the Nationals and the finale tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: It's Spencer, let's jump over to you shared this with
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  Speaker 1: me before today's show. A little pitching depth for twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven I imagine or perhaps the names on there
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  Speaker 1: do the there's different tiers to this list. But where
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  Speaker 1: would you like to start? I guess let's go from
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  Speaker 1: the top the definites. We know Kid Kabali has been
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  Speaker 1: fantastic this year. We haven't seen Conno Lee early, but
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  Speaker 1: we have seen what he can do in big pressure situations.
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  Speaker 1: Those are guys that we anticipate are obviously locks and
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  Speaker 1: healthy come around next spring. But go from there, how
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  Speaker 1: does the rest of this rotation start to shape up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating right because we've talked so much about
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals' ability to develop hitting and we haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: the same exact strides on the pitching side. I think
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  Speaker 2: in heart because of what was in the system initially.
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  Speaker 2: That being said, yeah, we jumped to a guy like
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  Speaker 2: Jackson ken or Luis Parless. Those feel like, if not
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  Speaker 2: locks for next year's rotation, guys who should theoretically get
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  Speaker 2: a good way if all goes well. Again. Keno's pitched
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  Speaker 2: minor leagues and has the sort of, even though it
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  Speaker 2: didn't show last time, control and command and pitch ability
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  Speaker 2: in addition to a Velo jump that makes them really
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  Speaker 2: bullish on him. You look at Perels two, someone who,
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  Speaker 2: even though he's pitching out a bullpen right now, which
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  Speaker 2: I imagine is more to do with managing his innings than
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  Speaker 2: anything else, has the sort of kind of opposite profile
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  Speaker 2: where the stuff is really really nasty, the the you know,
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  Speaker 2: edges of his game still need to be refined a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more. But that's someone who the National has
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  Speaker 2: treated Jake Bennett for someone who they believe is a
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  Speaker 2: part of their rotation in the future. You want to
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  Speaker 2: pull back up the graphic. The next kind of tiers,
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  Speaker 2: DJ Hers, Andrew Alvarez, Jake ierv and Josi Gray, Bradla
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  Speaker 2: for all guys who have done it in the big
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  Speaker 2: leagues before with kind of either up and down sort
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  Speaker 2: of profiles, whether uh, you know Jake Irvin and there
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  Speaker 2: are guys like Brad Lord where you've seen it better
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  Speaker 2: out of the pen than the rotation, and then Josi
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  Speaker 2: and DJ again up and down, but to me more
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  Speaker 2: so has to do with with health than anything else.
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  Speaker 2: Those are all guys where maybe you're not thinking a
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  Speaker 2: one starter a tier one starter, but all guys who
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  Speaker 2: have shown that they can do it in the big
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  Speaker 2: leagues before and with a good off season in spring training,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they could easily fast the competition. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: part of why I bring this up is you have
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  Speaker 2: those two guys at the top set in the rotation,
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  Speaker 2: you have another say eight names there that feel like
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  Speaker 2: they'd be really competing for a spot, and then you
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  Speaker 2: have as we'll kind of get into five ten or
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  Speaker 2: where it's like they might not be ready on opening day,
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  Speaker 2: but you know there's there's some real upside feel potential
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  Speaker 2: to contribute there. The biggest name I think fans should
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on is Harlen and Susanna. I think
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  Speaker 2: whether you think of him as a him as someone
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  Speaker 2: who might not be ready yet, all those things. I
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  Speaker 2: think the organization is just so high, just so good,
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  Speaker 2: and the team might be competitive next season. So I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily being in the opening day rotation next year,
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  Speaker 2: or at least a big part of rotation next year,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is something that might be in the
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  Speaker 2: back of people's minds. I would just say, well, not
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  Speaker 2: a definite, more more plausible then, thanks, which is really optimistic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and talk about some
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  Speaker 1: of the next page of that starting pitching to your depth,
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  Speaker 1: we had there, guys who you know looking ahead to
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  Speaker 1: later on today. But Spencer, back to the starting pitching depth.
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  Speaker 1: This last tier at the bottom is the most intriguing
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  Speaker 1: one to me. We're squinting to various degrees, but I
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  Speaker 1: ultimately think Eddie Jean deserves some conversation for how well
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  Speaker 1: he has pitched in the big leagues this season, and
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to see him get more of an opportunity here,
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  Speaker 1: But you include him there, kind of just walk me through.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the second half of your depth chart here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bring up Eddie, Gene and Wildeon to a
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  Speaker 2: certain degree, and I guess insert reliever here, all group
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  Speaker 2: in that is because I think that for me, one
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest curiosities just from a process standpoint, is
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  Speaker 2: whether the Nationals end up converting some of these relievers
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  Speaker 2: into starters. It's not something we saw them do a
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  Speaker 2: ton under the previous regime, but it's something organizations and
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  Speaker 2: forward thinking organizations have been known to do. Obviously with
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  Speaker 2: Black Buterra having some familiarity there, with the Rays doing
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  Speaker 2: that as well. Those strike me as guys where the
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  Speaker 2: arsenal deep enough for the premiere pitch is strong enough
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  Speaker 2: where you're maybe like a tweak or two away from
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  Speaker 2: really from a reliever into a starter. And so to me,
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  Speaker 2: that's candidly probably something I'll be writing about in the
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  Speaker 2: coming weeks and months, and just something that fascinates me
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  Speaker 2: endlessly as guys who can potentially a leap because we've
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  Speaker 2: seen it work really really well for some other teams.
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  Speaker 2: And then if you pull up the list again just
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  Speaker 2: the back half, there, yeah, some names that maybe teams
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  Speaker 2: or I should say fans don't necessarily consider, right A.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Stewart, Josh Randall, Isaac Lyon, all guys who have
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  Speaker 2: either shown they can do it, but we haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: the runway necessarily yet or they've been on IL or
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  Speaker 2: their quick promotions. You have other guys lower in that list,
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  Speaker 2: Alex Klimi, Eric Swan, Miguel Junior, who I think of
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  Speaker 2: more as either future bullpen arms or maybe pieces for
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. But we think about the Nationals if
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  Speaker 2: they potentially are making a run. You have guys in
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  Speaker 2: the past who have been quick promotions and it's worked out.
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  Speaker 2: So those are all guys that just keep an eye
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  Speaker 2: on as well. And the top of the list, right,
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  Speaker 2: I think Alejandro Rosario is probably the name on this
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  Speaker 2: list that I have the mostional curiosity about because you
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  Speaker 2: need a TJ at the start of the year. We
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen him pitch in a long long time, but
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  Speaker 2: when he was pitching, I mean the sort of arm
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't get traded, right, and the Nationals were able
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  Speaker 2: to trade for him because of the injury history. So
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  Speaker 2: would he be ready on opening day? Like I think,
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  Speaker 2: there's just chancers, but you think about August year if
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  Speaker 2: everything clicks for not saying it will, but if everything, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is a name that people aren't that could be
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  Speaker 2: a real real arm.
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  Speaker 3: For the Nationals.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. We don't know necessarily when we might
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  Speaker 1: be having spring training next season. That's starting pitching competition.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be one of the most
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  Speaker 1: interesting things to follow at camp. That obviously the middle infield.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get over to that conversation really quickly here, Spencer.
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  Speaker 1: You put out a story the other day and we
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  Speaker 1: had varying comments on our episode talking about CJ's move
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  Speaker 1: to second base. We still haven't seen it yet, but
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  Speaker 1: those arguments, hey, it says CJ really, you know cost
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  Speaker 1: us games it shortstop. I wouldn't say that he's maybe
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  Speaker 1: had a glaring error that you can point to and
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, he cost us the game with that play.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think we are all on the same
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  Speaker 1: page here that this is probably what's best for the
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  Speaker 1: team in terms of trying to win ballgames. But is
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  Speaker 1: tonight the night, Spencer, When do we have any sense
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  Speaker 1: of when this transition is really going to get started
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  Speaker 1: or how much it's going to be worked into late
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  Speaker 1: August September here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, on that first point, I'm not in Texas. I
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  Speaker 2: have this series at home, but I know Blake Bytera
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  Speaker 2: told reporters there I believe Mark Zuckerman of Natch Journal
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  Speaker 2: that it could be as soon as Wednesday, which is today,
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  Speaker 2: the day we're recording. Ultimately, they're not going to push
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  Speaker 2: that button until CJ and the coaching staff agree that
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  Speaker 2: he's ready to do it and comfortable to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, just from a broader on my article, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's again, there's one hundred different threads we can pull
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  Speaker 2: on here. But to me, the I guess fascinating angle
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  Speaker 2: is that CJ both is not thrilled. Also, it seems
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  Speaker 2: like everyone involved in the situation understands that that is
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  Speaker 2: both true and that this move to a certain degree
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  Speaker 2: can be worked out amicably, right in the sense that
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  Speaker 2: CJ wants to do what's best of the team. Paul
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  Speaker 2: Tiboni understands that this is a difficult move but one
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  Speaker 2: that could help them and gain some clarity heading into
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. And obviously CJ wanting to stay at
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  Speaker 2: shortstop will be a storyline for year, but the production
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  Speaker 2: hasn't been good there, right, And so the idea is, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what might this winner look like, whether it's working at
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  Speaker 2: second base, shortstop, et cetera. There's a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: questions we'll have to bring up for the next but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: really fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think once we actually get to see him
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  Speaker 1: at second base, then the conversation can really start to
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  Speaker 1: take off and see it is he can he do
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  Speaker 1: second base? Or how well can he do second base?
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  Speaker 1: Then I think you really start to kick into another year.
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  Speaker 1: But right now, for those of us watching on TV,
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  Speaker 1: for those of you in Texas that might be Nationals
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  Speaker 1: fans watching the game, we're just waiting and anticipating. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take another quick break. But when we
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, it was just the fourth shutout of
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  Speaker 1: the season for the Nationals last night, and a rare
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  Speaker 1: o for of late for Jacob Young. But Kid Cavally
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  Speaker 1: was great last time out, eight innings of one hit
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  Speaker 1: baseball against the Cubs. But Jacob Young has been on
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  Speaker 1: a tear of late, good for almost a hit per
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  Speaker 1: game in his last thirty. You see the power display too.
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  Speaker 1: The home runs. The one thing that sticks out to
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  Speaker 1: me here, Spencer, it's only five stolen bases. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Nationals in these games lately, just haven't been in
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  Speaker 1: a position to be swiping a bag. But man his
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  Speaker 1: speak about the production, I guess that they can get
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  Speaker 1: from him essentially as a second leadoff hitter down there
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  Speaker 1: in the nine hole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's important right because of the way
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  Speaker 2: that the offense is hitting right now. It hasn't been awful,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean yesterday it was awful. We've seen times
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  Speaker 2: where they've struggled without James Wooden' the lineup, and so
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  Speaker 2: they need they need guys who can get on base right.
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  Speaker 2: That is something that Jacob Young has been able to
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  Speaker 2: do a lot better as of latest. I think we
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  Speaker 2: talked about in a recent episode, just someone who when
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: he's going right, you feel like you have a lot
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: more depth in your lineup. You feel a lot more
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: comfortable about it coming back around to the top of
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the order, even if now James isn't at the top
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of the order. But yeah, we have a full as
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you put up their thirty game sample of it being
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: really good. We have a sample early in the season
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: of the on base percentage being low, but the power
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: being good. It feels like the sort of guy that
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: you know for years, we've wondered, Hey, he fit better
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: on another team? Is he a fourth outfielder? I think
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: at this point, when you look at both what he's
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: been able to do defensively as well as the offensive
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: production as of late, it's Hey, is this like a
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: key piece on a future postseason team, whether that's with
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the Nationals with another team, it just feels like that
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: guy probably has so much value. In addition to again
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: two time Heart and Hustle Award winner, good in the clubhouse,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: all those other things, it's a more valuable piece for
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the Nationals than I think most people would give him
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: credit for. So I think he deserves the.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Flowers right absolutely. I think it doesn't jump off to
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you on paper at times, but he is such a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: big part of this team and a big part of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: why they're I think having big offensive games at times,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: speed kills that pressure kills when he's out on the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: base paths. Once again, I'll remind all of our listeners
• 19:19
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• 19:21
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• 19:26
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• 19:30
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• 19:44
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• 19:47
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• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Give us your most impressive player, I think is what
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I worded it as in the biggest letdown you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: sort of for you on the Nationals this season, and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: we'll dive into that in a future episode. Spence, anything
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you want to toss in before we start to wrap
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: up today.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I just again thank people for subscribing and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: listening to the podcast. Beyond that, again, there's a lot
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: of different threads to pull on with the CJ situation.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to bemoan the point, but I think
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it's something we'll be talking about a lot in future episodes.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And I would just recommend to everyone reading that article
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: because I think there's a lot of interesting insight from
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: his agent from the organization about how they're dealing with this,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: what comes next. Some of the positives when it comes
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to transparency for the organization, and some of the negatives
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the timing of the decision. So
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of interesting elements to think
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: about and definitely stuff we'll be talking about in the future.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Until then, hopefully NAT's can get the ship turned
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: around here in Texas, got the right guy on the brock,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: got the right guy on the bump for it today,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: given Kay the rock and then see if ALBI can
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: finish strong tomorrow. Until then, see you later.