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Colorado Boy, 2, Horrifically Injured After Severe Beating in Care of DRINKING NANNY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful little boy in Colorado left horrifically injured after
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  Speaker 2: what I believe to be a severe beating while in
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  Speaker 2: the care of a loving care giver who I also
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  Speaker 2: believe was drunk.
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  Speaker 3: A baby boy.
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  Speaker 2: When you see Giovanni, your heart is just going to break.
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  Speaker 2: He's perfect. Have you ever seen a little baby? Think, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that could be the Gerber baby. That little baby's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a baby model. That's Giovanni, just like a
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  Speaker 2: little angel from heaven. And what I think about this
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  Speaker 2: child being left in a coma by a nanny. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: fir is about to fly. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on Serious x Semblon eleven.
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  Speaker 3: You mom's out there and you dads too.
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  Speaker 2: But frankly this is to the moms listening, because I
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  Speaker 2: fully believe, yes, there are a few sprinklings of dads.
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  Speaker 3: That do this, but it's on us. We work, we.
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  Speaker 2: Take care of home, but most important, we take care
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  Speaker 2: of our children.
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  Speaker 3: It's on us to.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure they stay in one piece, they're healthy, they're safe,
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  Speaker 2: they're happy. Yes, you know what. I'm so blessed with
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful husband. That's right there beside me. In my mind,
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  Speaker 2: it's on me. If they live or die, it's on me.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine what Giovanni's mother has been through? Well,
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  Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, you don't have to imagine,
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  Speaker 2: because joining me right now is Giovanni's mother, Stephanie Reikert.
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  Speaker 2: The moment I heard about Giovanni and a coma, we
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  Speaker 2: all started praying. I want you to speak to other
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  Speaker 2: moms and dads out there and tell them what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just start at the beginning. How old is Giovanni now?
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  Speaker 4: Giovanni is two years eleven months. He turns three December fifteenth.
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  Speaker 2: When you went about finding a nanny, how did you
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  Speaker 2: do it?
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  Speaker 5: So?
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  Speaker 4: Actually, my kids were in daycare that they loved prior
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  Speaker 4: before this. I actually ended up moving, so I had
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  Speaker 4: to find care closer to my home, and my friend,
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  Speaker 4: somebody that I've known for quite a few years, maybe
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  Speaker 4: four or five years, offered to watch the boys.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when you say boys, you have three and all
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  Speaker 2: you've got Giovanni two, and then you have what a
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  Speaker 2: five year old and a twelve year old steps on?
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? That's true.
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  Speaker 3: You have a handful.
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  Speaker 2: I have two, and I spent every moment that I'm
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  Speaker 2: not at work chasing them and trying to make their
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  Speaker 2: lives better.
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  Speaker 3: And I would not have it any other way.
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  Speaker 2: So I've actually seen this before where a mom asks
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  Speaker 2: a trusted friend, hey do you know anybody? And the
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  Speaker 2: friend gives the mom someone and it all goes sideways.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the friend's fault. I'm sure the friend didn't know.
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  Speaker 4: Actually she was the friend that did all this. It
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  Speaker 4: was my friend who hurt my son.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that you actually got the referral from a friend.
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  Speaker 2: Are you telling me that you knew McKinley ahead of time?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I had known her about four or five years prior
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  Speaker 4: to her watching my children.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my star is Stephanie. That makes it so much worse.
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  Speaker 3: So this is someone that you know and trusted.
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  Speaker 2: Now tell me, you know after COVID, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people get to work from home.
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  Speaker 3: Were you working from home? Or do you have to
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  Speaker 3: leave the home to go to work?
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  Speaker 4: I leave the home to go to work.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do?
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  Speaker 4: I was actually just a server at a restaurant. I'd
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  Speaker 4: been there for a year prior. It's Jewish Delhi, and
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  Speaker 4: I just the hours are only eight am to three pm,
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  Speaker 4: but I would go probably six fifth a week maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, what time to what time? I want
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  Speaker 3: to write this down?
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  Speaker 5: You can.
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  Speaker 4: I'm eight am to three pm.
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  Speaker 2: So basically the school hours for your other two boys exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're a home by three point fifteen three
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  Speaker 3: thirty when they get home exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And so you bring in this who you believed to
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  Speaker 2: be a friend to take care of Giovanni.
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  Speaker 3: Stephanie, what happened that day that Giovanni was hurt?
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  Speaker 6: So?
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  Speaker 4: Actually I had received a text message from McKinley asking
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  Speaker 4: to have Giovanni overnight free of charge. It wasn't unusual
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  Speaker 4: because she would take my kids camping and stuff with
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  Speaker 4: her family, so I agreed to it. Around eight o'clock pm,
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  Speaker 4: we got a phone call from the hospital stating that
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  Speaker 4: our son was dropped off with blunt forced trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, Waite Waite White. So and I've had babysitters
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  Speaker 2: stay with me every night or stay with the children
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  Speaker 2: overnight many times.
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  Speaker 3: When I would have to go out of town.
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  Speaker 2: And I did not like having to go away at all,
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  Speaker 2: but I trusted them question to you when she asked,
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  Speaker 2: did Giovanni stay over?
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  Speaker 3: They didn't go camping or did they?
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  Speaker 4: They ended up not going. He was dropped off before.
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  Speaker 2: So the first you know that anything is wrong, it's
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  Speaker 2: a call from the hospital, not from her.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, she actually texted me after the hospital called. She
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  Speaker 4: didn't call me.
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  Speaker 3: And what did she say in the text.
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  Speaker 4: That we need to rush to Sam Anthony's hospital because
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  Speaker 4: Giovanni went lifeless after a bath.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, right there, guys with me, is Giovanni
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  Speaker 2: two year old Giovanni's mother. Giovanni horrifically injured after a beating,
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  Speaker 2: a beating from a nanny who we now believe was drunk.
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  Speaker 2: Two special guests joining us in addition to Giovanni's mother, Stephanie,
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  Speaker 2: who was speaking out today for all you moms and
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  Speaker 2: dads listening with me, Doctor Jan Gorniac, renowned pathologist, former
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  Speaker 2: medical examiner in Clark County.
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  Speaker 3: That's Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Dodger Gorniac never had a lack of
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  Speaker 2: business in Vegas. Dodger Gorniac a child and I know
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  Speaker 2: this is crazy, but very often I would bathe the
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  Speaker 2: twins three times a day in the morning, when they
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  Speaker 2: woke up so they would feel fresh, then like in
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  Speaker 2: the after lunch and then before they went to bed.
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  Speaker 2: But we used it as a time to like read
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  Speaker 2: books and play music and all that. But that said,
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  Speaker 2: a baby doesn't just go lifeless after a bath. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 7: No, it does not. So it's interesting. And Stephanie, my
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  Speaker 7: my prayers go out to you too and be the
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  Speaker 7: coovery for to you. But yes, and it's interesting because
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to say a good number, but quite
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  Speaker 7: a few of my child abuse cases that I've worked on,
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  Speaker 7: it's in the bathtub. The bathtub comes up, and I
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  Speaker 7: believe that the perpetrator puts the kid in the bathtub
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  Speaker 7: to try to revive them. So it's not like they
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  Speaker 7: went unresponsive when they were in the tub. I believe
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  Speaker 7: they were already unresponsive and they were just trying to like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, win a splash water on them or something.
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  Speaker 2: That's really interesting because thinking back and anybody on the panel,
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  Speaker 2: we have a lot of awesome guests today to support
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  Speaker 2: Stephanie Reikert and Stephanie, do you call Giovanni Geo?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we do.
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  Speaker 2: Now that I'm thinking about what doctor Gorniak has said
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  Speaker 2: she's right. I'm thinking about on so many abuse cases,
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  Speaker 2: and so many of them start or involve the bathtub.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the very first cases I can think
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  Speaker 2: of along those lines is a name that will forever
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  Speaker 2: live in infamy. Louise Woodward, The maybe Matty Apen died
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  Speaker 2: after a bath Take a list at our cut nine.
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  Speaker 8: Louise Woodward is a British teenager when she joins an
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  Speaker 8: O pair agency and begins working for physicians Deborah and
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  Speaker 8: Sunil Epan. She is to take care of three year
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  Speaker 8: old Brendan and eight month old Matthew. In her third
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  Speaker 8: month on the job, she calls nine to one one
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  Speaker 8: claiming Matthew stop breathing. At the hospital, doctors realize his
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  Speaker 8: injuries were so serious police are called in. Matthew Eapen
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  Speaker 8: has a fractured skull, a subdural hematoma, and an optalmologist
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  Speaker 8: notices retinal hemorrhages suggesting shaken baby syndrome. Woodward is arrested,
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  Speaker 8: charged with assault and battery. When Matthew Eapen dies, charges
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  Speaker 8: are upgraded to murder. Woodward never talks to police, deferring
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  Speaker 8: to the O pair agency supervisor. At trial, the jury
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  Speaker 8: finds are guilty of secondary murder and she has sentenced
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  Speaker 8: to life in prison. However, at a post conviction relief hearing,
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  Speaker 8: Judge Zoebel reduces the conviction to involuntary manslaughter and she
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  Speaker 8: is sentenced to time served.
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  Speaker 2: And show as I recall, his name is Judge Hillard Zobel,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll never forget it because a jury convicts the
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  Speaker 2: opair Louise Woodward murder, iiO and everybody got hung up
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  Speaker 2: on the shake of baby syndrome. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: they managed to forget about the fractured skull and the
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  Speaker 2: subdural hematoma. But that said at Senate saying that Judge
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  Speaker 2: as yeah, I know they convicted her murder too, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let her walk free on time serve
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  Speaker 2: that actually happened. And we're seeing here that baby Geo
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  Speaker 2: has a horrible, horrible blow to the head. And Woodward
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  Speaker 2: told the jury. She told the stand that she somehow
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  Speaker 2: baby Maddie squirted out, jumped out of her arms after
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  Speaker 2: the bath and cracked his skull on the tile floor.
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Back to Geo's mother, Stephanie Reichert, Stephanie, what exactly were
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  Speaker 2: Geo's injuries.
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  Speaker 4: He had a sub I don't know, a subdural hematoma. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: he had a nine milimeter mid lane shift in his brain.
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  Speaker 4: He had bruising all over his body, on his neck,
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  Speaker 4: his arms, He had the bleeding behind his eyes he
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  Speaker 4: said the name, don't remember the medical terms. Bleeding behind
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  Speaker 4: both of his eyes. He had a huge bite mark
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  Speaker 4: on his forearm. He had a slap mark on his
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  Speaker 4: skygh a slap mark on his back, and just bruising
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  Speaker 4: all over everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Stephanie, is it's just so much worse than a to
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  Speaker 3: the head.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to Christopher Buyer's private investigator, former police
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  Speaker 2: chief John's Creek now owner of buyers Investigative dot com. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: you and I we're not mds like doctor Gorniac, but
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  Speaker 2: I know when a baby or person has bruises on
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  Speaker 2: their arms like this, that baby was held by the arms,
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  Speaker 2: slap marks on his back at it's like a bite mark. Look, Stephanie,
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  Speaker 2: Reichert isn't making this up. These injuries are in doctor's reports.
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  Speaker 2: Doctors that don't care. I don't mean they don't care
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  Speaker 2: about the patient. They do care about the patient. But
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  Speaker 2: they're writing clinically, analytically, they're not making up a dramatic scenario,
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  Speaker 2: like if I want to know the truth, I look
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  Speaker 2: at what the medical examiner, because they don't care. They
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  Speaker 2: don't care who you are, where you're from, what color
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  Speaker 2: you are. They care about your anatomy and what cold
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  Speaker 2: hard science tells them.
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  Speaker 3: Same thing with doctors. I don't know why they're that way.
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  Speaker 2: They're very let me just say, an aseptic when they
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  Speaker 2: write out these reports, Chris Byers. So when a doctor
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  Speaker 2: who doesn't know Stephanie Riker, doesn't know Geo, has not
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  Speaker 2: a relative or family friend, they write down there's bruises
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  Speaker 2: on the neck and the arms, there's a slap mark
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  Speaker 2: on the thigh, there's a slap mark on the back.
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  Speaker 2: There's a nine millimeter ship in his brain. He has
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  Speaker 2: a blow to the head. There's blood behind both of
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  Speaker 2: his eyes. You better believe it's true, Chris Byers. And
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  Speaker 2: this is more than just dropping the baby on the
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  Speaker 2: tile floor of the bathroom.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean there is no question whatsoever
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  Speaker 9: that this baby was abused. It is just so sad
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  Speaker 9: to hear. Listen again, my heart and prayers go out
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  Speaker 9: to Stephian and her family and little Geo. But yeah,
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  Speaker 9: there is no doubt this is abusing.
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  Speaker 2: I am looking at a picture of go lying in
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  Speaker 2: the hospital, and I remember I nearly vomited when I
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  Speaker 2: saw the twins in the nick You I saw them
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  Speaker 2: right when I gave birth, and they took them out
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  Speaker 2: of me.
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  Speaker 3: But when I saw them again, they had TIBs intervened us,
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  Speaker 3: you name it all over them.
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  Speaker 2: They were so premature. And I'm looking at baby g O.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like he's got black eyes. He has a
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  Speaker 2: bruise under one eye. He has just been through hell.
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  Speaker 2: Hell to Stephanie Riker Geo's mob. Hours later, after that information,
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  Speaker 2: you find out your son is fighting for his life
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  Speaker 2: with blood forced trauma, injuries to his head and his body.
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  Speaker 2: And tell me, Stephanie, what happens when you see Geo.
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  Speaker 4: So when we arrived at the hospital, we weren't allowed
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  Speaker 4: to see him. At first. He was in scans, actually
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  Speaker 4: the chaplain. They said that they were getting the chaplain
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  Speaker 4: for us, so we thought he was dead. After about
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  Speaker 4: twenty minutes of waiting in the waiting room, we were
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  Speaker 4: allowed to go back and see him and he was unrecognizable.
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  Speaker 4: I'll never forget seeing him. They had he had fifty
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  Speaker 4: doctors standing around him. We couldn't even get close to him,
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  Speaker 4: we couldn't touch him. And he was on I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he was not He wasn't breathing when he was dropped off.
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  Speaker 4: So it was just awful. You mean when we dropped
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  Speaker 4: him off to the daycare earl and when we dropped
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  Speaker 4: him off there, he was fine, and then when we
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  Speaker 4: seen him, he just didn't look the same anymore. He
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  Speaker 4: was so beat up.
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  Speaker 3: When you say he was so beat up, what did
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  Speaker 3: you observe.
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  Speaker 4: His eyes were all this was before surgery, but his
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  Speaker 4: eyes were bruised, he had the tube down his throat,
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  Speaker 4: he was on a ventilator. I mean, it's so hard to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, remember everything because it was awful. Like I'll
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  Speaker 4: never be able to explain the feelings of seeing him
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that when you went in there, Stephanie, and
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  Speaker 2: you saw him and there were fifty, literally fifty doctors
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  Speaker 2: you thought crowded all around him, you actually had to
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  Speaker 2: leave the room because it was so overwhelming.
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  Speaker 4: It was just so overwhelming, all the machines beeping, everything
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  Speaker 4: they were saying, and my boyfriend was standing right by
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  Speaker 4: my side, and all I reme ober him saying was
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  Speaker 4: why does he.
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  Speaker 9: Look like that?
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  Speaker 5: My baby?
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  Speaker 4: Why does he look like that?
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  Speaker 3: Joining me right now?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Angela Arnold who is a renowned psychiatrist in the
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her an Angela Arnold MD
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Angie that moment. There are certain moments
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  Speaker 2: in life. If you asked me, what did you do yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: And I have to reconstruct my day like what happened,
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  Speaker 2: it was like a whirlwind. But there are moments in
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  Speaker 2: life that are indelibly etched, and you might you can't
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  Speaker 2: get rid of them. I remember as a girl when
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  Speaker 2: my dad had his first open heart surgery. They had
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  Speaker 2: to airlift him to the University of Alabama heart Wing.
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  Speaker 3: He was so bad off.
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  Speaker 2: Even Emory and their renowned, world renowned heart wing wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: take him.
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  Speaker 3: They think they could do anything for him.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when I walked in and it was this
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  Speaker 2: big open area and my dad was there hooked up
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  Speaker 2: to all sorts of things. At a distance, I saw
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  Speaker 2: it was him Angie at the door. I dropped to
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  Speaker 2: my knees and started praying.
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  Speaker 3: When I saw the twins.
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  Speaker 2: Hooked up to all of those machines. It was unlike
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  Speaker 2: anything I had ever seen before. There are some moments
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  Speaker 2: like what Stephanie's describing, You never forget and you never
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  Speaker 2: get over. It was so bad she had to leave
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  Speaker 2: the room.
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  Speaker 10: Well, it's such a trauma. It's a trauma, and you
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  Speaker 10: are completely you have absolutely no control over what's going on.
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  Speaker 10: So and Nancy, I am sure that every guest that
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  Speaker 10: you have listening today can't even imagine, and we can't
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  Speaker 10: even imagine what that child looked like after he was
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  Speaker 10: practically beaten to death, because let's call it what it was.
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  Speaker 10: What it is, he was practically beaten to death by
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  Speaker 10: someone who that mother entrusted to his care. This, this
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  Speaker 10: is horrific. And yeah, she will be traumatized by this,
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  Speaker 10: and she will see visions of this in her head,
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  Speaker 10: and I'm not quite sure how she's going to be
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  Speaker 10: able to ever trust anyone to be around her children.
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  Speaker 2: Geo had to be airlifted to the hospital. He needed
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  Speaker 2: an emergency operation. He had a bleed on the brain,
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  Speaker 2: which required part of his skull.
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  Speaker 3: To be removed. He was intubated, which means they take
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  Speaker 3: a big thick like a.
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  Speaker 2: Hose and put down your mouth and another inside that
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  Speaker 2: so you can breathe. He was in a coma and
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  Speaker 2: has had multiple life saving operations since then. And when
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  Speaker 2: you say it looked nothing like him, Stephanie my little nephew.
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  Speaker 2: He was like my baby to me because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have children for so long. He was hit by a
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  Speaker 2: car and I was still practicing at the DA's office, prosecuting,
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  Speaker 2: and I got a call that he was in intensive care,
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  Speaker 2: a race to intensive care. And when I saw Stephanie,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't look anything like he did normally. His head
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  Speaker 2: was swallowing up like a pumpkin, and he had a shunt,
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  Speaker 2: which is another kind of tube going down the top
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  Speaker 2: of his skull. I nearly I felt like I was
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  Speaker 2: going to pass out. Didn't look anything like him at all.
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  Speaker 2: Just so you know, Stephanie as encouragement. He went on
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  Speaker 2: to get a double major in biology in IT and
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  Speaker 2: now he's a hot shot. It troubleshooter at a big company.
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  Speaker 2: So he went on and he had to go through rehab.
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  Speaker 2: It was a Scottish Rite children's hospital for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: But now you would never know anything like that had
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  Speaker 2: happened to him.
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  Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: So Stephanie Ricker with me go's mom. You go in,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: you see him. It's so overwhelming you have to leave.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: When did it dawn on you?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, doctor Gorniet, what does this mean? A
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: nine milimeter shift in his brain?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: Well she described and also you said the doctor says
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: that he had a subdural tematoma. So what that means is, well,
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: you have your skull and then you have a layer
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: called the dura matter that overlies your brain. So you
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: have blood that's underneath that. So between the brain and
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: the dura, so the blood has nowhere to go. So
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: it's not like you cut your leg and the blood
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: can bleed out. So what happens in the head is
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: the brain has nowhere to go. So when the I
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: mean the blood has nowhere to go. So when the
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: blood is accumulating, it's pushing the brain to one side.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: So it was almost a centimeter push to one side.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: So there's pressure on the brain.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And for people that don't know what is a centimeter,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: one centimeter is how much in an inch?
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I know you have to do that,
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: so I think it's two and a half centimeters equals
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: an inch, right, so it's less than.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: An inch, less than half an inch, correct.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: But when you're talking about movement of your brain, the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: blood is taking up space in the skull and the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: brain has nowhere to go. And when the brain moves
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and it starts touching the skull, that means the brain
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is going to start swelling, absolutely, and it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Has nowhere to go. I learned all this because of
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: my nephew.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: So that is why they actually, in my nephew's case,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: cut a hole in his skull to relieve pressure so
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the brain would have somewhere to go. Is that why
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: they remove part of Geo's skull, Doctor Gordiac.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: Absolutely because of the swelling, So not only just because
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: of the blood, but because of the injury. There's more
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: injury to the brain and it swells, and you're absolutely correct,
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: it has nowhere to go. So if it keeps pushing
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: against the skull, I mean at some point it's going
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: to cause a cardio respiratory arrest. So they remove part
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: of the skull just to give it some room to expand.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But just because your brain swells does not mean you're
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: going to have permanent brain damage. No, it does not
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: because the swelling can go back down correct and by
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: these procedures.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Stephanie Ryker's telling us about removing part of the skull.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Did he have a shunt in his skull, Stephanie, So
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that was the.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Life surgery that we just had two days ago. They
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: placed the shunt because he was having issues with the
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: fluid around his head. It was collecting in the pocket
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: in its frontal lobe.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Yes, And that's another procedure they can do to you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: you don't want that. It's called cerebral spinal fluid. You
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: don't want that fluid to collect because once again there's
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: not enough space, especially in a little skull and a
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: little head for anything to collect. So you want to
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: remove some of that so the so the brain can heal.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he had a lumbard drain, which is a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: drain that was in his spine for a week and
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: it just wasn't when they took it out. They knew
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: that he would have issues with the fluid, so they
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: went ahead and put the shunt in.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Thank goodness.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I know it sounds terrible that somebody drilled a hole
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: in your child's skull.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: It's not it's wonderful.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It saved my nephew's life because you're the pressure of
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: all that swelling has somewhere to go, thank of a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: pot on the stove, and you won't take the lid off.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And finally the steam is so powerful it blows it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: off like that. By taking the lid off, by doing
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: this shunt, it relieves that pressure. Stephanie, where is Geo
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: He's in the living room here with us. I'm in
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: a different room, so because he's pretty loud.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: That makes me want to cry that he actually is home.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Brian Foley joining US board, certified criminal defense attorney, former
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Chief Prosecutor Harris County, Texas, author of What Prosecutors Don't
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Tell You, and you can find him at Brianfoleylaw dot com.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Brian, I tell you what.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I would get a hold of this nanny, and I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: would not let go of her until I had cheered
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: out a piece of her rear end and spit it
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: onto council table. I'm telling you this woman needs to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: be prosecuted for attempted murder.
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, And as a prosecutor, if you're in Colorado, you
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: can get hamstrung a little bit because it sounds like
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: they've only charged him with a Class three felony for
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: causing you know, a serious injury, and that's only four
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: to sixteen years in prison, whereas if it's an attempted
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: murder then that's a significantly higher punishment range in Colorado.
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: So it's going to be on the prosecutors for sure
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: to do the investigation and make sure that they have
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: evidence that can help puld her feet to the fire.
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: Because the pictures that we saw are tragic. I agree
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: when Stephanie talked about it didn't look like the same child,
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: you know, the before, the night before, and then afterwards.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are you looking at the picture of him sitting
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: on the sofa holding a tan colored stuffy like a
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: pity bear, right, because completely different.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I would not have even thought it was the same person,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Brian Foley.
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: And what's going to help prosecutors, I think in this
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: case to prove that this is obviously no accident, is
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: that bite mark. A bite mark is an intentional act.
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: There's no accidental bite marks less than a child, especially
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: when you consider they also have black eyes and this
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: subdural hemotoma. This is a brutal attack which is definitely
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: going to need to be prosecuted to a large extent.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Got a question, Stephanie Reiker is with me Giovanni's mother
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to this day, right now as we're speaking, mckinnley slown
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: her Nandez has not revealed.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Won't say what really happened.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, that is correct. I'll she admitted to is that
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: she was drinking and he with hurt in her care.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: That's all she'll say. Yep.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: She won't say anything. Even after being arrested, she won't
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: say anything.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to figure out why this has happened.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: How drunk she But frankly speaking, doctor angel Arnold, being drunk,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: why would that make you beat up the baby.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: To the point that the baby's in a coma?
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: And you know, Nancy, that's not even an excuse. This
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: is this is such a horrific act of rage and
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: violence to a helpless child. I don't care. And if
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: she was that drunk, then why wasn't she passed out
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: on a couch somewhere? But she wasn't drunk enough if
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: that was, if there's any truth to that to know
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: what she to not know what she was doing?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because she actually did she drive Giovanni to the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: e R.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Stephanie, I meanes.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: We actually heard from the hospital that she drove him
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: to the hospital while her boyfriend was trying to revive him.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And are you telling me, Stephanie that at one point
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: we know Giovanni was not breathing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: When he was dropped up at the hospital, he was
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: unresponsive and his heart rate was in his fifty so
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: almost cardiac.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Arist joining me right now is Anastasia Germaine, President of
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Childcare Professional Services LLC, founder and former operator of a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: childcare center, and you can find her at childcareps dot com. Anastasia,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What is your number
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: one piece of advice to families searching for a babysitter
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: or a nanny.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: To ask a lot of questions and do as much
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: research as you possibly can. A good place for parents
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: to start is at childcare dot gov and there is
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: a link there for each state where parents can go
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: use a pulldown menu and find a plethora of resources
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: for all types of child care options. Parents should be
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: doing their best to look, listen and ask questions. Look
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: around the facility for safety and cleanliness. A lot of
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: parents choose family and friends for their first childcare options.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: Still look, listen and ask questions. Look for simple baby proofing,
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: electrical outlets. Are all of the things within the home,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: the toys, the playground areas? Are they in good repair?
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: Are there emergency procedures in place? Even if it's a
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: family home care is do they have procedures in place?
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: Is the caregiver CPR trained? Do they have do they
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: provide well balanced meals snacks? What is their discipline policy?
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: Does it agree with yours? Is there a stimulating environment
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: and a routine in place? All types of things that
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: you can look for and ask questions about. Also in
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: the case of home care specifically, you know, in licensed
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: childcare centers or licensed facilities, any guests coming into the
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: house have to sign in and out. That's not the
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: case in a home care, especially in an unlicensed facility
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: or a friends and family or a nannying type situation.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: So you want to talk to the caregiver about guests
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: and the flow of traffic coming and going.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know who's coming in and out
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of the daycare. And again, there's nothing at all wrong
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: with a friend or family as your daycare. I was
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: raised all day by my grandmother, and my nephews were
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: raised by a family friend instead of going to a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you know, state run daycare.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: To Nicole Parton joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: This woman McKinlay Sloan Fernandez. It's my understanding that she
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: had an unalycensed childcare facility at her home.
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: That's right, she did, And she actually listed herself on
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: several resource pages online. One that I saw was on
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: the Lakewood County Childcare Connection, where moms could go online
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: and look for a nanny, look for daycare, and she had,
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: you know, an ad there there's a few openings left
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: for childcare.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: You can trust your child here.
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: Loving environment, safe home. So other people were paying her
• 32:49
  Speaker 12: and trusting her to care for their child as well.
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: Childcare is a sixty billion dollar industry in the United States,
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: and she was trying to get her fair, I suppose,
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: but without providing the service.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And when I say unlicensed child care facility, I'm not
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: saying it like it's a dirty word, because trust me,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: my grandmother, my Mama Lucy, who I named my daughter after, she.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Wasn't a licensed child care facility.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: She's my grandmother, and she took care of us and
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: fed us and we play outdoors. It was farm and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it was a wonderful childhood. So having a family friend
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: or family a relative with your child while you're at work,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that happens all over the world, and that is what
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Stephanie Reiker did. Stephanie, I mean in your mind, McKinlay sloan,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: her Nandez was running a home care for children, right.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so she watched my kids for a year. When
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: she first started watching them, it was just their babysitter.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: She wasn't watching any other kids at that time. And
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: then just recently she started, well not recently now, but
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: she had posted on all those pages on Facebook saying
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: she wasn't in home daycare. And then she started watching
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: other kids and she would have quite a few kids
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: over at her house.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: What do you mean by quite a few kids?
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I mean one time we went there, we decided not
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: to drop you off because she had ten other kids
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: there and she was the only one, and she was
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: they were probably half of them were under the age
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: of two.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: That's too many for one person to be handling.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So, Stephanie, have you ever confronted her and said what happened?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: No, Actually, after she had texted me to go to
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: the hospital, that's the last I ever heard from her.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: She never once checked on him see how he was doing,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: to see how we were doing. She just she blocked
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: me on social media, actually, and that was the last
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: I heard from her.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: What are prosecutors telling you, Stephanie.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I don't even know how to answer that question. We
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: have court again, we have the first part days on
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: the twentieth of December. But basically what they're saying from
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: what they had, their evidence they have which we haven't
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: seen yet, she is the.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Now let me ask you, is there.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: A surveillance video or a door came ring or anything
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like that in the area in the home where Giovanni.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Was at the time he was beaten so badly.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe that is something that I would not like to
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: speak on.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: So maybe maybe yea, did she.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Have a boyfriend? McKinley slowed her nand is does she
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: have a boyfriend?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: She did? It is his house actually owns the house
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: and she lives there with him.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Was he home when Giovanni was bed?
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know for sure. As far as we know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: they're leaning towards that he has nothing to do with it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Now they have a shoot to warrant for his full
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: ring doorbell camera, and I'm sure we'll find out more
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: after we're able to see those videos.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: See the evidence.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so, Brian, what I would be doing right
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: now if I was the prosecutor, I get that boyfriend
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: and squeeze him like an orange. I agree to find
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: out what, if anything, he knows. And remember this is
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: his boyfriend girlfriend. There's no marital privilege in voked here,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: so she can't say, oh, he can't testify against me
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: because we're married. He can testify to every single thing
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: she has said or done since this incident.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: He actually did. He has an attorney and he's been
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: pretty cooperative with everything they've asked, and he's provided stuff evidence.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So question, Stephanie Reiker at Giovanni's mom, is the boyfriend
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: still with McKinley, Sloan, her Nandaz Are they still a couple?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Actually know he moved out of the house the Davis
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: all happened, and he moved in with his mother.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Doctor Angie Arnold say no more. That tells me everything
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I need to know. He's going to testify against her.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: M I'm telling you right now, and he better, he
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: better because if she has any history, if any other
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: child in her care has come home with bruises or lethargy,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: he's in it because if he had any idea this
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: was happening, and it's his home. Basically, the daycare is
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: happening in his home, he's on the hook.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: You better cough up pronto, Nancy.
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: How can you beat a child? How can someone be
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: beating a child in one room and someone's in another
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: room and can't hear what's going on.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So that's a great question. Stephanie Reikert. Did the boyfriend
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: have a job.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, he actually did work. He's an electrician or he's
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: an electrician in training, and he goes to night school
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: as well. Wow, so I know for sure he does
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: those things.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: You know, Chris Buyers, if these two were married, to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: state would have a problem. But since there are just dating,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: he can testify to everything he knows.
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, he is going to definitely be the state's key
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: witness because gosh, it's so frustrating on investigations like this
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: when you know you've got a victim that can't tell
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: you what happened. So, yes, he is going to be
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: a huge key witness in them.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: To Stephanie Ryckert, number one, do not let anybody talk
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you into a cheap Please don't let her off with
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a five year since she'll do two years and be out.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Oh no, there's no way we're going to let that happen.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: And absolutely not. I feel like she should be charged
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: with attempted murder.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I do too, because this isn't I just dropped him.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: She almost killed your baby. So what does Giovanni's dad
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: have to say about all this?
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: He's right here.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Would you like to talk to him?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I would love to.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Hello.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Hi, is this Giovanni's dad? This is thank you for
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: being with us. What's your take on all of this?
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Man? It was just something that came from left field.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: You know, we didn't expect it ever in a million years.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: You never think that somebody who you're trusting is going
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: to put your child in harm. Like the whole point
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: of him going with her was because we trusted her
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: and we thought that he was safe in her care,
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: that she really cared about him.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Anthony, why, And I'm not saying
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't have at all, but what about her made
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you trust her? Because other parents trusted her as well.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It's not just you, but what about her was so trusting?
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't go far. It goes so far saying that
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: what about her was trusting. I don't want to start
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: because me personally, she wasn't exactly like my friend friend.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: This was Stephanie's a friend which we happened to meet
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: because she happened to be dating one of my friends
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: years ago, and that's kind of how we all met.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: So like I knew of her, but me being the dad,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: you know, I didn't really associate with her too much
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: with her friends, so they were always mostly in communication.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: That's why the night when this happened, she only texted Stephanie.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: She didn't I never got a text. Neither one of
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: us got a call from her. That the hospital actually
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: called my phone when it happened.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: And what again did the text say, Anthony?
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: So the text that Stephanie got was you kind of
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: need to rush to Saint Anthony's because you have only
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: went lifeless after the bat went lifeless.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: My rear end.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: You know, Anthony, you understand Stephanie as a mom is
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Be so distraught.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: You have got to be strong for her and with her,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and do not let anybody talk you into a cheap plea.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Oh no, absolutely not.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: This is attempted murder because this wasn't just dropping him
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: or one below.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Your baby.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Geo was beaten, beaten over and over and ended up
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in a coma because of what she did drunk, according
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to prosecutors.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: You know that night when we got to the hospital,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: because we rushed to the hospital extremely fast. When we
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: got there, you know, both of us were our brains
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: weren't working at the moment, and when we first walked in,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: they find out when we were asking, you know, were
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Giovanni's parents. They finally said, hold on, let me get
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: the chaplain for you. Was the first thing that I
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: was told. Now I'm prior military, so you know when
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: they came out and they said let me get the chaplain,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: I immediately first thing that went through my head was
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: my son was dead. Then they tried to take us
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: into a little waiting room. And when we went to
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: the waiting room, McKinley and her boyfriend were in that room,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: so they took us away from there and they they
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: actually kicked us out of there and made us go
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: stand somewhere else. In the hospital till they came out.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: So when the chaplain finally came out and we were
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: able to talk to her, the first thing I asked
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: was what was my son was alive? And she said, yes,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: he's alive. You know, I think they were doing imaging
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: at the moment, which is why they brought the chaplain
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: out right away. But just the whole chain of events,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: you know, did not help. So, like Stephanie was saying,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: we finally got to go back to that room, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: you know, it was a room no bigger than you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: maybe ten by ten if that, and you know, bed
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: in the middle. He was strapped to it and a
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: zillion doctors around him, and Stephanie was sitting out so
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: she had to walk out. She had a little you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: barf bag, hyperventilating, and I just kept asking, you know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: what happened to my son? Why does he look like this?
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Why does he look like this? And then I just
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: remember the flight for life guys saying, you know, we're
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: going to get your son to because they had to
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: fight for life from the Children's hospital in Aurora. They
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: just kept telling me, we're going to get him there safe,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: We're going to get him there safe as a guy
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: was like he looked like something at the top gun.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: And then another guy with really long hair, and they
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: were awesome. And when we were walking out of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: hospital after they were like, we're going to take him
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: now to Children's hospital. As we were walking out, the
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: only thing that she ever said to us as we
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: were walking out, she looked at us, both the Baltimore
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: standing outside, and she goes, did they tell you anything?
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: And all I responded was their flight for life and
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: them the children's hospital, and that was the end of
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: the conversation. She didn't say anything else after that, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: we went to Children's and now have not heard from
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: her once. I do know that that night, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: the officers had like taken them into custody and took
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: their phones and that's when they started asking them a
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: bunch of questions. But I do know that now once
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: where they did they instruct her to not reach out
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: for anything, you know, and like I understand, accidents can happen,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: and in a situation where it was an accident, if
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: it were me, I would be reaching out a thousand
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: times over. I wouldn't have left. I would have been
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: by the side, you know, the entire time, the fact
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: that she dropped him and then just left. You know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I just don't see how anyone could even believe that
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: she didn't have anything to you know what I'm like.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Let me understand something Anthony with me?
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Is Giovanni's dad, Anthony to Stefano, And did you say
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: she dropped him?
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Do you believe she dropped him?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Because if she dropped him, how did he get all
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: those slat marks and a bite?
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I man dropped him off at the at the hospital.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, got it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Have you heard from her boyfriend?
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: No? But so again there's I guess there's a bunch
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: of evidence that we as the parents have not seen
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: because it's been this long gooing on investigation. When we
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: did talk to the detective, he did mention that the boyfriend,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: his name is Dan, had been, you know, was really
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: curious about how Giovanni was. And at that time, the
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: last time we talked to the detective, we said it
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: was okay if that they gave him our contact information
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: if he wanted to reach out. But again, haven't heard
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: from either one of them.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: But we do know those two have split.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Up, right, correct, that's for our understanding.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: The last thing you want to do is have a
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: lifelong commitment with somebody that gets drunk and beats child. Now,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know a lot of people get drunk
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and they pass out, or they think they're funny and
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: they jokes, or they get sad they start crying, or
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: they drive and have a wreck.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: But to get.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Drunk and then beat a child, this isn't just dropping
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a child, guys, or he wouldn't have.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Bite marks, slap marks, all that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, Doctor Gorniat, this is not a simple fall
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: based on what the medical doctors put in his record.
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not, absolutely not. And it's just interesting. I was
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: at a tendancive presentation and was just talking about simple
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: falls in children. So a simple fall would not cause
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: that much damage.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I'm always amazed, doctor Gorniat, when somebody says, oh, the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: baby fell out of the stroller and died.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: That does not happen, right.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: So was simple fall if she was holding him like
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: you were talking about the other case they slipped out
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: of the bathtub. I mean, just look at think of
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: the playground at parts, you know what I mean. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: know how many times I fell off the swing set
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: or the job, you know what I mean? And die exactly.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: So with all the injury, it's not as simple. It's
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: not as simple fault. I mean the he sounds like
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: injuries he would have sustained in a car crashed like
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: your nephew, Anthony.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Question to you, what is the prognosis? What is Giovanni's future?
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Has he had brain damage?
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Number one?
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: So what we were told. Luckily we were able to
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: see a couple of the images from the last time
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: we were in the hospital and they said that he
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: didn't have any error, didn't show any type of brain damage.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: When they let us out. He had to leave. He
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: had to wear a helmet all the time because he
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: was missing the bone slab. Right, So if you didn't
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: know Giovanni, and other than the helmet, you'd look at
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: him and it seemed like, you know, nothing happened to him,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: you would believe that there was nothing wrong with him
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: at all, nothing happened. He talks, He actually talks a
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: little bit more than what before this incident happened. You know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: there's slight difference, is like the irritability. It's very difficult
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: to divert him now when he gets upset, you know.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: But and he's not as like he was always such
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: a sweet, loving boy, and he still is, but it's
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: it's only with me and his mother, like nobody and
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: his brothers obviously, but nobody else. It's just, you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: he can't be away from us for more than two minutes.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: That's why this has been difficult. We're passing the phone
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: back and forth. You know, one of us has to
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: be with them all the time. They just yeah, I
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: don't know, to be honest with you, he's just not
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: exactly the same. But he's still a happy little boy.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: What is your message to parents looking for a babysitter?
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: You know, I understand it's been brought up many times, Like,
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: you know, there's many resources and stuff for this in
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: this situation. You know, at the time, money is tight
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: for us, you know, not we don't make a ton
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: of money. It was very difficult to afford like a
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: legit place. And when somebody that we trusted and believe
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: was our friend offered to do that for us for
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: a much better, more affordable price, and you know, of
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: course we were like, yo, that's awesome. You know, we
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: thought she was looking out for us and our kids.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Now my message is like, so I believe that there's
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: been things going on for a while that we as
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: parents were oblivious to, because again, we have a bunch
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: of boys, So they jump on the trampoline, they play,
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: they're rough, they come back with bruises and bumps all
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 48:33
  Speaker 13: Similar before oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I just
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: I never thought that she was doing anything, But like
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: now I realized there's there was times where GEO said,
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: you know, she pushed me or something like that, and
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: she'd say, oh, he fell and he hit his head
• 48:47
  Speaker 13: on this, and.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: He'd come home with the bruise, and we again didn't
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: think much of it, kind of just kind of played
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: it off like oh, you're fine and the boys. Now,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: I will say that if your kids ever ever mention
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: anything that you think is far fetched, whether it's a babysitter,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: family member, anything, then hurting him, always look into it,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: because I feel like if I had looked into it sooner,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I felt like I could have prevented this kind.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Of Please do dot torture yourself. I have crime victims
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: families forever. I even do it myself as a crime victim.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Torture myself about what could I have done differently, just
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: save my fiance to just.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Do it all the time.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: And there you did everything right and very quickly into
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Stasia's your main president childcare Professional Services. What was the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: website you just gave us again.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you go to childcare dot gov, no
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: matter what state you're in, there so pull down menu
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: where you can find your state and find the resources.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: In Colorado, it's the Colorado Department of Early Childhood and
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: specifically their quality initiative is Colorado Shines. And what's interesting
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: and helpful for parents on that site is.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Not only do they.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: Include all of the resources, but they also include a
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: list of childcare sites illegal childcare sites that were right
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: sent a season desist letter, so parents can go on
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: there and look.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: As we go into the Christmas season, our prayers with
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: little Giovanni Reikert with his mother and his father for
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: healing and peace and.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Also for justice. May it rain down like lightning. Goodbye friend,