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Ep. 366: Hunting Down a Target Buck with Andrae D’Acquisto · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number three sixties
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Speaker 1: six and today I'm joined by the one and only
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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto to discuss the aggressive scouting and hunting
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Speaker 1: tactics that have made him, in many people's eyes, one
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Speaker 1: of the very best deer hunters in the country. All Right,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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Speaker 1: by Onyx. Today, we've got a heck of a show
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Speaker 1: for you. This This is one that I've wanted to
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Speaker 1: do for years and years but couldn't because our guest,
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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto, from from what I can see from
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Speaker 1: the outside at least, was not interested in doing any
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Speaker 1: kind of media or interviews or anything like this for
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Speaker 1: quite a time. Now I think, gosh, I think it's
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Speaker 1: been almost a decade, but that's changed, and for the
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Speaker 1: first time ever, we've got the lone wolf, Andrea to
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Speaker 1: Quisto here on the Wired Hunt Podcast. Now, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: a lot of you guys have heard of Andre. You
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Speaker 1: know about him, You've you've seen some of his stuff. Um,
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Speaker 1: if you've listened to many of our podcasts over the years,
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Speaker 1: you definitely heard a lot of other folks mentioned him
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Speaker 1: as an influence. But if you're not familiar, here's the
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Speaker 1: really quick rundown. Andre founded Lone Wolf Tree Stands and
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Speaker 1: started the White Tail Addictions TV show back. I think
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Speaker 1: this was in the early two thousand period ish, and
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Speaker 1: during that time he made a name for himself with
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Speaker 1: his deer hunting success and tactics. On top of the
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Speaker 1: business kind of stuff. He he seemed to push the
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Speaker 1: limit more than almost anyone else back then, and he
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Speaker 1: was definitely one of the first well known hunters to
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Speaker 1: popularize this mobile aggressive style of deer hunting. You know,
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Speaker 1: if you've heard and I've talked about it, we've talked
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Speaker 1: about in the podcast, this thing called the bumping dump tactic,
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Speaker 1: for example, that's Andre's. He was also very aggressive with
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Speaker 1: his hunting goals, targeting and successfully killing very specific deer
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Speaker 1: and just the biggest of the big that was his thing. Um.
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Speaker 1: And again this is pretty early on and he was
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Speaker 1: doing this just consistently. At one point he even decided
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Speaker 1: to specifically go out find and kill the state record
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Speaker 1: typical buck in Wisconsin, and he ended up coming very
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Speaker 1: close to that. He killed the number two buck and
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Speaker 1: then I think I think it was the very next
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Speaker 1: year he replaced his number two with another number two.
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Speaker 1: So you know, this guy is he's on a different level.
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Speaker 1: He's just he's just doing something different than a lot
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Speaker 1: of people. Now. Eventually Andre decided to step away from
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Speaker 1: things a bit. He sold the company, he ended white
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Speaker 1: Tail Addictions, and kind of just stepped away from the
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Speaker 1: public scene. But Andre's back now. He's launched a new company,
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Speaker 1: it's called Lone Wolf Custom Gear, He's relaunched white Tail Addictions, uh,
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Speaker 1: and he's kept on targeting those top tier white tail
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Speaker 1: deer and as I mentioned, just doing this at a
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Speaker 1: rate and with a degree of precision that's just about
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Speaker 1: unmatched in the hunting world. Um. And I think what's
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Speaker 1: what's so unique about Andre, more than just his success,
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Speaker 1: is how many people point to him as being the
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Speaker 1: guy that taught them how to hunt mature bucks, or
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Speaker 1: who helped them jump to that next level, or who
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Speaker 1: is in their opinion, the very best out there. I've
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Speaker 1: talked to so many people and said, who do you
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Speaker 1: think is the best deer hunter? You know, and they say, oh,
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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto and those people saying that those are
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Speaker 1: guys who I think are the best of the best,
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Speaker 1: So that that tells me something. From the outside looking in,
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Speaker 1: it just it seems like andres Is is kind of
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Speaker 1: the godfather of this aggressive, mobile kind of deer hunting
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Speaker 1: culture that's picked up so much steam over the last decade.
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Speaker 1: And that's all to say. I'm excited. I'm looking forward
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Speaker 1: to this one. This is a conversation I've wanted to
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Speaker 1: have and I'm glad we can share it with you guys. Now,
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Speaker 1: a few caveats before we get into it. First, I
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Speaker 1: do want to make it clear Andre is an experienced,
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Speaker 1: very goal oriented hunter. You're gonna hear when he talks here.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna hear that he specifically chooses to target the
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Speaker 1: biggest bucks around and he focuses on antler score of
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Speaker 1: those bucks to help quantify those goals and push him
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Speaker 1: as a deer hunter. And I think it's great for
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Speaker 1: anyone out there to have goals and to push yourself,
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Speaker 1: and think it's great for each of us to do
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Speaker 1: that in our own way. Now, I bring this up
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Speaker 1: because I don't want you to listen to this conversation
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Speaker 1: and hear how Andre quantifies his goals and talks about
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Speaker 1: his goals and has his goals. I don't want you
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Speaker 1: to hear that and then think that that's exactly what
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Speaker 1: you have to do too. You don't. You can if
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Speaker 1: you want, but you can do it your own way too.
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Speaker 1: If you want to kill the first dear you see, great.
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Speaker 1: If you want to pay attention to score, great. If
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Speaker 1: you don't, that's great too. If you're gonna go out
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Speaker 1: there and kill a year and a half old buck
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Speaker 1: and you're having a blast, more power to you. Same thing.
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Speaker 1: If you want to hold out for a three and
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Speaker 1: a half year old or a seven and a half
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Speaker 1: year old, hunt your own hunt. Don't feel pressured by
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Speaker 1: anybody else. Enjoy yourself, that is the most important thing.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy the whole experience. Enjoy the food, enjoy the landscape,
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Speaker 1: enjoy the quiet, and yet enjoy targeting a buck or
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Speaker 1: whatever kind of dear you are going after. Keep that
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Speaker 1: in mind as we listen this one. Secondly, there is
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Speaker 1: a decent amount of adult language in this episode, so
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Speaker 1: heads up, folks. We have tried to filter some of
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Speaker 1: that out, but there's still some in there. You have
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Speaker 1: had fair warning. Feel free to listen on if you're
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Speaker 1: okay with that, and if you are not okay with that,
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Speaker 1: just go ahead and get this one. Check back in
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Speaker 1: on our other episodes or the three hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: episodes we have preceding this. Lots of good stuff there.
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we all have got
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Speaker 1: that out of the way. So there we go. Qualifiers, caveats,
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Speaker 1: heads up, side of the way. If you want to
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Speaker 1: listen and learn from one of the most talented, focused,
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Speaker 1: detail oriented, and deadly deer hunters out there, listen on
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Speaker 1: alright now with me on the line is Andre Dquisto. Andre,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Glad to be here. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: I agree. I'm excited this is happening. You've been You've
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Speaker 1: been someone on my radar ever since we started this
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Speaker 1: podcast in two thousand thirteen. I think, Um, I've I've
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Speaker 1: I've wanted to chat with you. Um, but you've you know,
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Speaker 1: you haven't been doing a lot of these things until recently.
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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited that now we can do it
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Speaker 1: and have this conversation. There's there's a lot of people
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Speaker 1: that are interested in and learning more from you, so
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you making the time to do it. I'm
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Speaker 1: glad too. It's it's interesting because especially this year, but
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Speaker 1: really over the course of I don't know, the last
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Speaker 1: five six years, so many of the people that have
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Speaker 1: been on the show and people that have really influenced
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Speaker 1: me and probably a lot of our listeners to really
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Speaker 1: really good deer hunters, many of them have pointed to
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Speaker 1: you as being a huge influence on them. I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you how many people I have talked to have said,
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Speaker 1: you know, Andre is probably the best deer hunter. I know,
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Speaker 1: he's the one who taught me this thing or that thing. Um,
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Speaker 1: there's like this this coaching tree of different people that
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Speaker 1: all point to you as being this this big major
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Speaker 1: factor on them, which which makes me wonder if if
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Speaker 1: all these people are pointing to you as the best
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Speaker 1: deer hunter, they know, who's the best deer hunter that
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Speaker 1: you know, this is gonna this is gonna sound a
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Speaker 1: little a little one side or loaded, but um, I
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Speaker 1: thought about that many of times. You know, the best
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Speaker 1: deer hunter out there is probably still still up and coming.
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Speaker 1: Um and I know a lot of them, A lot
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Speaker 1: of these guys on our White to addictions. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the guys that come up, just the guys that
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Speaker 1: you've talked about over the years, our phenomenal, phenomenal hunters. Um.
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say, looking at somebody first hand and watching, UM,
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Speaker 1: my son's probably not getting the credit due he is
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Speaker 1: more aggressive. Um, he's kind of taking my style and
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Speaker 1: and put it on Royds per se. Um. He gets
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Speaker 1: more opportunities. And that's how always was. I wasn't always
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Speaker 1: a great shot. I wasn't probably the best guy on arrange,
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Speaker 1: but I was a guy that can get get myself
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Speaker 1: more opportunities that dear to kill him. And I think
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Speaker 1: he's he's he's molded out of that same cast per se.
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Speaker 1: When he gets in his head, you know when he
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Speaker 1: gets you okay, Um, you know it's a couple of
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Speaker 1: days before that deer is on the ground. Um. He
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Speaker 1: just he just fund from down and goes aggress of it.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna say, my son, okay, I like
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Speaker 1: that from from afarest. Definitely seems like the apple didn't
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Speaker 1: fall too far from the tree. Um. I gotta I
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Speaker 1: gotta wonder though I've listened to your guys recent podcast
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Speaker 1: series and and Cody and you are on there together
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Speaker 1: and you guys have some kind of entertaining and forth.
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Speaker 1: The father son. Yeah, yeah, there's always that interesting dynamic.
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Speaker 1: So I gotta wonder. So you just gave him the
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Speaker 1: big kudos. You just you just told everyone, tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of people out there that that Cody might be
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Speaker 1: the best deer hunter out there that you know. So
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Speaker 1: I gotta believe, though, there's something that he does that
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Speaker 1: you just shake your head at and like think, what
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Speaker 1: is he doing? Is there anything that comes to mind
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Speaker 1: that you that Cody does that just either drives you
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Speaker 1: nuts when it comes to deer hunting, or that you
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Speaker 1: just can't believe he does it or surprises you. And
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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot of people think
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Speaker 1: because he's he's my son and we have good leads
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Speaker 1: of the property, this kid cut loose from me years ago,
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Speaker 1: believe or not. He's living in a pretty big shot
9:43
Speaker 1: okay um. And he goes off on his own and
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Speaker 1: and he figured stuff was on. He finally figured out
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Speaker 1: once he said to me day and why the hell
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Speaker 1: do you put these food pots up where we can't
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Speaker 1: kill anything on him? They're set up all wrong. And
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Speaker 1: I told months is, I don't want you to be
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Speaker 1: able to just jump on a food plot and kill
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Speaker 1: that deer. If you can figure out how to kill
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Speaker 1: that deer that's going to that food plot, um, somewhere
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Speaker 1: else or just not a property. I have the food
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Speaker 1: plots in there. Basically the hold deer and keep them
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Speaker 1: on this property. Um, but should become a better hunter,
10:17
Speaker 1: you know. So it's see all scenario. You know, we
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Speaker 1: used to hunt over eight years ago. They used to
10:23
Speaker 1: be legal in Wisconsin. And b it's a tool, and
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Speaker 1: it's a good tool, um, but I've seen too many
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Speaker 1: guys get caught up in that trap and they're good
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Speaker 1: at that, and then that's where it ends. And I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna tell you once and then bucks get off them
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Speaker 1: base and go and you're still hanging onto that ray
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Speaker 1: of hope over there. You're you're just all burnt, your
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Speaker 1: whole season up. So um, A good example of once
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Speaker 1: there was a deer on here, we we probably didn't
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Speaker 1: want to shoot, We're gonna let go, and it was
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Speaker 1: getting towards the end and it's a pretty decent deer
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Speaker 1: and I just kind of gave him the old kay
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Speaker 1: to you know what if that deer as you can
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Speaker 1: tie into him, take him down. And I was in
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Speaker 1: the living room with my wife and I see this
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Speaker 1: kid ripping up and down the streets. He had three
11:07
Speaker 1: stands on the back of his freaking a TV back.
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Speaker 1: He went to one spot of the property another I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what the hell is he doing? He killed that deer
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Speaker 1: that night, just and he had all preset for probably
11:19
Speaker 1: different winds, and was gonna go at the different angles,
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Speaker 1: but he just picked the you know, the first one
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Speaker 1: and got it. And so he kind of reminds me
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Speaker 1: of I was when I was younger. If I got
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Speaker 1: pissed off, or a deer pissed me off, it wasn't
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Speaker 1: to be too long before that thing was hitting the ground.
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Speaker 1: I would just get into a different mode or a
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Speaker 1: different attitude and just go at it. And now here
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Speaker 1: I am, you know, thirty years older, and I'm up
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Speaker 1: against me back thirty years ago, trying to trying to
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Speaker 1: compete on the Saint Peter ground. So it's uh um,
11:51
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's a new it's a new
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Speaker 1: new turner, new chapter. I'll say that. Yeah, So I
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Speaker 1: know that when you first got into deer hunting, you
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Speaker 1: got into a current if I'm wrong on this, but
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Speaker 1: does I understand that you first were into trapping, that
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Speaker 1: was that was your thing, and then we got ahold
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Speaker 1: of got ahold of a bow, and then that Alston
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Speaker 1: took over your life. Um, what was it once you
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Speaker 1: got into deer hunting that switched the light on for you?
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Speaker 1: Where you went from you know, just just being out
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Speaker 1: there hunting to all of a sudden hunting them down
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Speaker 1: the way you do, like you describe, You've evolved and changed.
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Speaker 1: Was there an aha moment? Yeah? The deer hunting, the
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Speaker 1: deer hunting. I think we had made it clear in
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Speaker 1: the pathwork. The deer hunting came in way later. I
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Speaker 1: hunted with a bowl. Actually we started hunting with clubs
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Speaker 1: before even had a bowl or a b by gun Um.
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Speaker 1: I was taught by some older, older guys that were
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Speaker 1: older brothers of a friend of mine, and watching somebody
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Speaker 1: with their bare hands going through the woods and come
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Speaker 1: out with rabbits and pheasants. Um, it's just just impressed
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Speaker 1: the hell out of me. Um. These guys were like
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Speaker 1: just in the military out of Vietnam and they were Um.
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Speaker 1: I watched the guy literally take a pheasant out of
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Speaker 1: midair with his bare hands. And I mean it just
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Speaker 1: impressed the young kid, you know. So so we started
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Speaker 1: doing that. We started clubbing along with him, and and
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Speaker 1: then we got into trapping and snaring and we got
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Speaker 1: um and I tell the story, people laugh. My first
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Speaker 1: bowl kill was a rabbit. I ran out of arrows
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Speaker 1: and I literally beat at the death and in the
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Speaker 1: deep snow with the the re curve. Um. So, and
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Speaker 1: I still have that raw mentality of I'm not still
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Speaker 1: to this day a very good shot. I'm not real
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Speaker 1: consistent on a range. But man, when it comes time
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Speaker 1: to to put an arrow on an animal, it just
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Speaker 1: seems like it's you know, instinctive, and instincts takeover and
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Speaker 1: that arrow just hits home. So Um, I've always had
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Speaker 1: that barbaric more thing. And I love scouting more than
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Speaker 1: I do hunting, believe it or not. I enjoy more
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Speaker 1: porking around looking at sign trails, tracks. Uh then I
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Speaker 1: do sitting to me, sitting in the tree stand. You know,
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Speaker 1: if we are boring, boring deal, it's a patient's game. UM,
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Speaker 1: let's refining my skills over the years. Um. You know
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Speaker 1: where you started out, you know, hunting generally I was
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Speaker 1: never a big rod hunter because that's where luck to
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Speaker 1: be would come into the case, and I have no luck.
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Speaker 1: So well, you're hunting a specific deer, I think, um, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a whole different, full, different game. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know why that I started doing that. I actually, um,
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Speaker 1: just look back a bunch of pictures I had some
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Speaker 1: years ago. There was a lot and guys don't realize
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Speaker 1: that I was an absolute clown start now. Believe me.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't always a skilled hunter. Um. And I could
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Speaker 1: probably tell some stories that are embarrassing about starting out
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Speaker 1: hunting and um, but it's just you know, being out there,
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Speaker 1: being real perceptive. The way my my mind works, Um,
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Speaker 1: I researched. I everything that I see, I don't just basically,
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Speaker 1: you know, wander through the was namelessly. Everything I see here,
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Speaker 1: I'm staking up. And when I've seen the currents happening,
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Speaker 1: I learned something from its soul. Um. It's been a
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Speaker 1: long long well it was. It been forty years now,
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Speaker 1: so agatting back to that, looking at the pictures, there's
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Speaker 1: a bunch of tiny little deer. I look at guys
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Speaker 1: first year nowadays, I said, you should see my first
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Speaker 1: year you know, you could put a grape fruit in
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Speaker 1: between the the antlers of it. And there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of small deer up until then. And I think
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Speaker 1: you don't want to what really drove me? UM? I
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Speaker 1: was always an athlete, UM a record type goal. Aren't
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Speaker 1: at a guy? When I shot that first book and
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Speaker 1: it was a one eight and it was like a
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Speaker 1: score of something, UM, it gave me a goal to
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Speaker 1: work for. I was always go orientated. And then it
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Speaker 1: was like something lit up in me, and and every
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Speaker 1: deer all the way up to like UM eighty in shirt.
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Speaker 1: My score of a white tail had never never gone back,
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Speaker 1: which I don't know if a lot of people know.
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Speaker 1: I know I told a story before, but so if
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Speaker 1: there was a one, then it went to one thirty two,
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Speaker 1: then it went to one eight, then it went to
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Speaker 1: I had I had a buck one year who was
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Speaker 1: in the fifties. I let him go three different times
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Speaker 1: to shoot a deer that was like one fifty seven,
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Speaker 1: like five inches bigger than the one that was there.
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Speaker 1: I was just had that set in my mind. So
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Speaker 1: UM always been going atated, always about to score, and
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Speaker 1: still to this day it's UM. You're always looking for
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Speaker 1: something bigger than you had before, um you know, which
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Speaker 1: which could get pretty tough nowadays too. So has that
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Speaker 1: ever has that ever come back to bite you? Or
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Speaker 1: have you ever felt like that's you ended up not
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Speaker 1: being happy with something because of the score, or is it?
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Speaker 1: Is it that gold driven thing always been good because
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Speaker 1: I never shot anythings more than I wanted to. So whatever,
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Speaker 1: I shop and I a whole ton of deer that
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Speaker 1: are like a hundred and sixty nine inches. So when
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Speaker 1: I once I started getting to the point where the
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Speaker 1: deer were so big that you're you're probably not gonna,
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Speaker 1: you know, find one for every five years, I set
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Speaker 1: my goal to like net Boone and Crockett type deer
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Speaker 1: and and it's weird, boy, I see it here, and
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Speaker 1: I know, I just know they're going to be an
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Speaker 1: inch short. That one that I took just missed the
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Speaker 1: state record by like an inch and a half. Dude,
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Speaker 1: I knew on the hoof it was gonna be about
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Speaker 1: an inch and a half short. Ended up being an
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Speaker 1: inch and and that's frustrating. But um so I never
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Speaker 1: really made a mistake of going, you know, I'm looking
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Speaker 1: for a one seventy and shoot, I'm one fifty. I
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Speaker 1: just didn't happen. And it's you know, it's a million
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Speaker 1: miles apart. So uh no, I never regretted. Really, Um,
17:43
Speaker 1: you know, my my goal was to shoot a typical
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Speaker 1: and the tube on a range. My my ultimate goal
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Speaker 1: was to have a state record someday in Wisconsin. I
17:52
Speaker 1: failed at that toise, Um, I shot one that would
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Speaker 1: have been number two in Illinois one year to missed
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Speaker 1: that number one, And then I always had this fantasy
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Speaker 1: to shoot a world record typical book and that's like
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Speaker 1: a needle in a haystack. But I'm gonna tell you
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Speaker 1: there they're out there. Um they're getting shot with guns
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Speaker 1: or finding sheds, and but it's still just you have
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Speaker 1: no idea what you know, what accomplishing a goal like
18:17
Speaker 1: that could be. And I'm happy and sad to say
18:21
Speaker 1: I've been in the game with two that I think
18:22
Speaker 1: would have made it and I got my ass kicked
18:24
Speaker 1: both times. So um it was. It was a fun,
18:28
Speaker 1: fun run. Now I don't know if I if I
18:29
Speaker 1: got you know, fueling the tank to to ever achieved
18:33
Speaker 1: that again. But um, I'm not traveling states, you know,
18:36
Speaker 1: kind of parking in Iowa, I could shoot legally three
18:38
Speaker 1: bucks a year out here, and I don't you know,
18:41
Speaker 1: I shoot a buck here there. Um. And now that
18:45
Speaker 1: the show is back on and we're doing products, you know,
18:47
Speaker 1: things are changing a little bit. Yeah, that's that's what
18:51
Speaker 1: I was kind of wondering, was if if you still
18:53
Speaker 1: have that drive to try to chase that two others
18:56
Speaker 1: typical or that record. But it sounds like kind of
18:59
Speaker 1: settling into new set of goals. Yeah. Well, don't get
19:02
Speaker 1: me wrong, buddy, you told me where one's at, I'll
19:04
Speaker 1: probably there with to do it. Yeah. So somebody on
19:08
Speaker 1: our page made a statement like, well we should find
19:11
Speaker 1: a deer for Andre to hunt and um on some
19:14
Speaker 1: public just tell the colony is where of that and
19:16
Speaker 1: let him let him go at it. Dude, You find
19:19
Speaker 1: that dear and use the use the caliber number one.
19:21
Speaker 1: I'll be there camping out and I will I will
19:23
Speaker 1: go ahead them long and hard until I die. It's
19:26
Speaker 1: just that there's not you know, with cameras now you
19:29
Speaker 1: kind of know what your deults. Even on our property,
19:32
Speaker 1: we know just a lot everything that's on earlier. Um,
19:35
Speaker 1: So for you to have something on the piece that
19:38
Speaker 1: you're on that caliber, that's it. That's like winning a
19:42
Speaker 1: lot of really um or being awful lucky to it.
19:45
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, when it comes to you know what
19:50
Speaker 1: you would do in that situation. Let's say if someone said,
19:53
Speaker 1: I've got this buck. This probably a world record, Andre,
19:56
Speaker 1: come take a swing at it. Um. I want to
19:59
Speaker 1: kind of understand and how you would go about tracking
20:03
Speaker 1: down a buck like that. But before that, I kind
20:06
Speaker 1: of want to try to understand a little bit better
20:10
Speaker 1: how you approach this from the mental side of things,
20:14
Speaker 1: because I think when I listen to talk, when I
20:16
Speaker 1: see the things you do, you've got to really in
20:19
Speaker 1: a you know, an incredible sense of like the xs
20:21
Speaker 1: and os of deer hunting and how to set up
20:23
Speaker 1: and all that. But then you also have this mindset
20:26
Speaker 1: and this drive that I think separates you two and
20:30
Speaker 1: and and I'm curious if we were trying to recreate
20:34
Speaker 1: the next best deer hunter, and I told you that
20:36
Speaker 1: you could either give him your mental drive or your
20:39
Speaker 1: your mental kind of just state that you take in hunting.
20:44
Speaker 1: You can either give them that, or you can give
20:46
Speaker 1: them all of the XS and o's analogy you have,
20:48
Speaker 1: but not both. Which would you say is more important?
20:53
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't want to give him what I have.
20:55
Speaker 1: I think, and I don't know this for sure on
20:57
Speaker 1: all the studies on it, but people are realize that
21:00
Speaker 1: I'm the flexic and I have some learning kind of
21:03
Speaker 1: disabilities that are frustrating and older I get and I
21:08
Speaker 1: look at stuff totally different than other people do. And
21:12
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that helps in the game
21:13
Speaker 1: of white tail hunting, but it is frustrating in just
21:17
Speaker 1: the world of you know, navigating through through just life.
21:20
Speaker 1: So if a guy had to have that, if that's
21:23
Speaker 1: what helps me read sign more and and dissect things more,
21:27
Speaker 1: um I'd give them that ability. But I should help
21:30
Speaker 1: and wish it on him in his normal day to
21:32
Speaker 1: day is because um, I mean, I can't, like I
21:35
Speaker 1: explained things as simple as I'll walk up to a
21:37
Speaker 1: door handle and I'll grab ahold of it and open up.
21:41
Speaker 1: And I want to know why somebody designed that thing
21:43
Speaker 1: the shape that they did that, Why what what drew
21:45
Speaker 1: him to do that? Or these ice cubes that actually
21:48
Speaker 1: blocked the fluid from from a cup that you're drinking
21:51
Speaker 1: out of, Like what moron and creaking design and ice
21:53
Speaker 1: cube that you know, and it's there, it's everywhere. Why
21:55
Speaker 1: hasn't somebody changed that? Why hasn't somebody done some about
21:58
Speaker 1: So when I'm in the woods and I see stuff, it's, um,
22:02
Speaker 1: I give it. For example, we went we went to
22:04
Speaker 1: a spot in Quincy only once, and I took a
22:05
Speaker 1: friend of mine and we did some scouting and I
22:09
Speaker 1: just to this christ. I had part of my friends.
22:12
Speaker 1: But I went through a spot that I just thought
22:13
Speaker 1: had it through it. I was like, and I just
22:15
Speaker 1: walked him through it, and I watched him neandering through
22:19
Speaker 1: looking at us. What do you think of the spot?
22:21
Speaker 1: And he's looking up in the trees. Yeah, that sounds
22:23
Speaker 1: like you can get a tree stand in here? Like
22:25
Speaker 1: what is the having a good good a tree stand
22:27
Speaker 1: here or a spot you know, being able to put
22:29
Speaker 1: a stand in or having a decent spot for a
22:31
Speaker 1: tree stand You happen to do it. Anything you're looking
22:34
Speaker 1: for here, you look for the deer first, the tree
22:37
Speaker 1: stands a tool. Uh. You read the sign and you
22:40
Speaker 1: go hunt the spot and you apply when direction thermal
22:45
Speaker 1: stands to that and you go after him. Um, you
22:48
Speaker 1: made a statement about what I would do to go
22:50
Speaker 1: after him. I know somebody another podcast mentioned that I
22:53
Speaker 1: was talking to about me to somebody else and mentioned
22:56
Speaker 1: a friend of mine that it was kind of a
22:57
Speaker 1: little cocky and and he was kind of going to bathroom. No, No,
23:01
Speaker 1: he's really not. And I said, what are you talking about.
23:04
Speaker 1: I'm as cocky as they get when it comes to
23:07
Speaker 1: what I want to do. So I don't, man, I
23:09
Speaker 1: have all the confidence in the world. I will not
23:12
Speaker 1: be intimidated by just an animal. I've been in the
23:14
Speaker 1: game enough time. Um. So that's part of it where
23:20
Speaker 1: most guys are gonna have to get over. You're gonna
23:22
Speaker 1: have to kill some caliber animals under your belt and
23:25
Speaker 1: you comfortable. Otherwise you're gonna be shaking in your boots
23:28
Speaker 1: when they come in or um. But I mean I
23:32
Speaker 1: just like I said, I go after I go after
23:33
Speaker 1: it a lot, a lot harder and more confident than
23:37
Speaker 1: most most guys ever would so uh to the deer
23:40
Speaker 1: that we were hunting in Wisconsin, I had to shut
23:43
Speaker 1: to it the year before I came close to killing it.
23:47
Speaker 1: Thank god I didn't. It would have been you know,
23:49
Speaker 1: Boone Crockett that year. But just at the last second
23:53
Speaker 1: he throws up and just wouldn't step on a swamp,
23:56
Speaker 1: found a shot to it, and then we were, you know,
23:58
Speaker 1: had cameras out that was the old home cameras years ago,
24:01
Speaker 1: and me and a buddy of mine went to Walgreens
24:04
Speaker 1: and we were looking through the pictures and boom, there
24:06
Speaker 1: he was. Right. I look over my friend and his
24:10
Speaker 1: jaws dropped. I'm looking. We're looking around like it's just
24:12
Speaker 1: you know, somebody looking at they're gonna see this like
24:15
Speaker 1: it was funny. But he's like, he's like Storry said, well,
24:19
Speaker 1: and I'm just like ready to get the hill out
24:20
Speaker 1: of and what are you gonna do? I don't know
24:22
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, but I'm gonna swamp and killing
24:23
Speaker 1: his buck. And I left and he just he didn't
24:26
Speaker 1: know what to do, you know, so kind of an
24:27
Speaker 1: experience hunter, but but a good guy. I went home
24:32
Speaker 1: and it just I tore all my ship out through
24:34
Speaker 1: it all on the freaking uh kitchen table, I started,
24:38
Speaker 1: what what do I need here? What I absolutely do
24:41
Speaker 1: not need. I'm gonna lighten the stuff started taking up
24:43
Speaker 1: silence and everything. I was getting ready for the game
24:45
Speaker 1: because the games felt to begin. Then I had some
24:49
Speaker 1: brainstorm that I was gonna take a camera with me.
24:51
Speaker 1: This is when we were doing the show and I
24:53
Speaker 1: was gonna go into the swamp and hunt this down
24:55
Speaker 1: and knee high muck. And I got in about two
25:01
Speaker 1: days and I thought, Okay, this this ain't gonna happen.
25:04
Speaker 1: This is a physical shift. So I needed that piece
25:07
Speaker 1: of information that I always need. I need to know
25:10
Speaker 1: where he betted. I know what he did last year.
25:12
Speaker 1: I kind of got some history of this here. I
25:14
Speaker 1: went into where I thought he was and I jumped
25:16
Speaker 1: that sucker out of his bed and I backed out,
25:19
Speaker 1: and I set up on that betting area and I
25:22
Speaker 1: just waited um to pre rut where he showed up
25:25
Speaker 1: last year on that field. And believe it or not,
25:27
Speaker 1: that deer showed up the same freaking day. It did
25:30
Speaker 1: because my brother was actually hunting that field and seeing
25:32
Speaker 1: that deer um the first day I showed up and
25:35
Speaker 1: it was running our our clover food plot there. So there,
25:39
Speaker 1: I kind of had enough to know that I'm not
25:41
Speaker 1: going to be able to go in there every day,
25:43
Speaker 1: in and out. You know, with all the filmings, it's
25:46
Speaker 1: a burden. You know. We lightened it up, we've made
25:48
Speaker 1: it easier, but it's it's it's again, it's more weight,
25:51
Speaker 1: it's more equipment. Um, so I basically uh took the
25:56
Speaker 1: knowledge and new and and set up and it and
25:58
Speaker 1: it all panned out and worked out. Um, he was
26:00
Speaker 1: better right where he was before made the move, and
26:03
Speaker 1: I was right there to put an air on him.
26:05
Speaker 1: So UM, I've heard you say in the past that
26:09
Speaker 1: you don't give a lot of value to year old
26:12
Speaker 1: sign that you mostly just prefer like red hot fresh sign. Um.
26:17
Speaker 1: But it sounds like maybe in some cases you do
26:20
Speaker 1: look at some of the older stuff or I guess,
26:23
Speaker 1: what do you find valuable from offseason scouting? What can
26:26
Speaker 1: we pick up? What are you doing? So on that deer,
26:29
Speaker 1: there was no age old sign. It was just the
26:31
Speaker 1: history of that deer living on that property. But I
26:34
Speaker 1: went and bumped him out of his bed a week
26:35
Speaker 1: before I killed him. So that's pretty red hot that
26:38
Speaker 1: he was living in there. And it's just seeing where
26:40
Speaker 1: the buck was bettered. I mean, there's nothing all the
26:44
Speaker 1: same capitiles, redbrush, no structural just that sweet spot that
26:49
Speaker 1: that deer probably grew up in. A Funny thing too,
26:53
Speaker 1: I was like the add this, I found a shed
26:57
Speaker 1: after that deer was harvested, and just the chips in
26:59
Speaker 1: the muck, And believe it or not, it was a
27:00
Speaker 1: shed to that deer. I still got that in my
27:02
Speaker 1: garage from two years earlier. I don't know if that
27:04
Speaker 1: was kind of some weird omen or whatever, but so
27:06
Speaker 1: that deer grew up on that property lived there. Um,
27:09
Speaker 1: you gotta be on red hot signs. You know all
27:13
Speaker 1: that information you got from last year that you know
27:15
Speaker 1: it's um where rubs were made and all that stuff.
27:18
Speaker 1: Stuff changes, and I've never, um, I've never been able
27:24
Speaker 1: to sit confident spot that I didn't know, like what
27:27
Speaker 1: was over the next hill or what I pictured that
27:29
Speaker 1: deer sitting there. I picture him in his bed, and
27:31
Speaker 1: I picture him. I wanted to get up and do
27:33
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. So it's like I said, I
27:35
Speaker 1: think I come in the end of a totally different
27:37
Speaker 1: um aspect, and a lot of guys do that. Just
27:40
Speaker 1: will just sit there and all of a sudden, the
27:41
Speaker 1: deer will show up. You know. Um, I'm actually thinking
27:45
Speaker 1: this damn thing in You're wishing to found that trail
27:48
Speaker 1: and put them into scenario that I've played in my
27:50
Speaker 1: mind a million times and it's all coming together. It's um. Um,
27:55
Speaker 1: it's just like sports. You know, you you're practice in
27:58
Speaker 1: your mind that perfect volt or perfect lift or um,
28:02
Speaker 1: you've you've been here, you've lived already and now it's
28:04
Speaker 1: you know it's coming toolition. So um, So there's about
28:09
Speaker 1: ten tho things I want to drill into a little
28:11
Speaker 1: bit more on what you just mentioned. But but first,
28:15
Speaker 1: if if the red hot sign is is the very
28:17
Speaker 1: most important stuff, it's all that in season stuff. What
28:21
Speaker 1: what are you doing like right now until opening day?
28:24
Speaker 1: Is there is there something valuable that we can be
28:26
Speaker 1: getting preseason? For me? That that's all I need to know, right.
28:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I know this, um, and I may statement
28:33
Speaker 1: there's pieces of this property I haven't been on. Every
28:35
Speaker 1: year we shout help, we go to spots that you know,
28:38
Speaker 1: we just don't go into because it's just it doesn't
28:41
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense too. But I know this
28:42
Speaker 1: piece of property and style, if a deer shows up,
28:45
Speaker 1: I'm basically all about inventory. So I gotta know that
28:48
Speaker 1: that deer is there. And my biggest thing from all
28:51
Speaker 1: the years is and what what cameras really did for
28:54
Speaker 1: me is, um, I don't want to have to make
28:57
Speaker 1: a last minute decision. Um. Every time I've ever had
29:01
Speaker 1: to do that kind of screwed up. If it's a
29:04
Speaker 1: deer I want to harvest. If I'm already committed to
29:07
Speaker 1: that animal and I see him, man, there's a lot
29:11
Speaker 1: better chance that deer's getting killed. And you know here
29:13
Speaker 1: he's coming down a trail. He's at forty now he's produced.
29:15
Speaker 1: He big enough. You know my should I shoot him? Should? I? Not?
29:19
Speaker 1: Very very bad situation to be on. Um, it's it's
29:22
Speaker 1: just you know, ripe with mistakes. So UM, I like
29:27
Speaker 1: to do that inventory. No, they're there, and if that
29:29
Speaker 1: deer's on this property, I mean, if I can't tie
29:31
Speaker 1: into that deer in a season long, um, I think
29:35
Speaker 1: I'm not worth the salt. I'm made it. You know,
29:37
Speaker 1: do you do you have a buck that you've got
29:41
Speaker 1: your eyes on yet? Do you have the one picked out? Uh?
29:45
Speaker 1: We found some chats. Hopefully he's back and if it's
29:48
Speaker 1: invite one of those it feels back, it will be
29:50
Speaker 1: it's a one or none season. Um. Yeah, I'll go
29:54
Speaker 1: after him hard. I do have a pretty tough competitor
29:56
Speaker 1: to go against. Um, which it will make things a
30:00
Speaker 1: little more interesting. But UM, I'm not going to have
30:05
Speaker 1: him back office or UM. If it's out there, you
30:08
Speaker 1: know he's got the opportunity to get it, but yeah,
30:10
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be a deer that I would be
30:12
Speaker 1: happy harveston and one that I love to play the
30:14
Speaker 1: game with um and hopefully doesn't just roll over and
30:18
Speaker 1: and and play debt on me. And he gives me
30:20
Speaker 1: a run for my money this year, and I have
30:21
Speaker 1: another good deal of memories to Yeah, I've heard that
30:26
Speaker 1: you liked those deer that make you work for him
30:29
Speaker 1: through a long period of ups and downs. I think
30:32
Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing you talking about a buck
30:35
Speaker 1: that was maybe your most memorable one took you just
30:37
Speaker 1: through the wringer and had all sorts of mishaps. Then
30:40
Speaker 1: when you finally killed them, it it means so much more, right,
30:43
Speaker 1: is that? Is that stity case? So I'm looking at
30:46
Speaker 1: that deer right now. It's in the living room and
30:48
Speaker 1: it's a it's a hundred and fifty seven inch growth.
30:52
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be in that room. But that deer there, uh,
30:56
Speaker 1: all of them probably gave me the biggest run for
30:57
Speaker 1: my money. So um, yeah, it's I don't know if
31:01
Speaker 1: it's I'm my mile's favorite, because she said I was
31:04
Speaker 1: the worst, almost killed her in birth and and the
31:06
Speaker 1: pain and agony she went through. There must be some
31:08
Speaker 1: kind of psychotic freaking bond with that type of misery
31:11
Speaker 1: that just um connects to the stuff so um that
31:16
Speaker 1: that dear dude, I had tears in my eyes. It
31:19
Speaker 1: was like the last freaking day I had the opportunity
31:22
Speaker 1: I could not get my bull back. I had the
31:24
Speaker 1: worst buck fever all that season built up, and I
31:26
Speaker 1: was like, and everything I could do is get that
31:28
Speaker 1: thing back. It was the ultimate ultimate high for a
31:31
Speaker 1: bull hunt that I've experienced. So what what did that
31:34
Speaker 1: buck teach you? Was there anything that after that season
31:37
Speaker 1: and all those trials and tribulations, is there anything point
31:40
Speaker 1: to like, Wow, I really came by all those challenges
31:43
Speaker 1: now learning this thing, I don't know if I really
31:48
Speaker 1: learned the last stitch effort where people talk about that
31:53
Speaker 1: right on the edge of that wind. I know that
31:55
Speaker 1: the setup that I set up the last final one
31:57
Speaker 1: because I've seen him from distance come come out of
32:00
Speaker 1: that area, and I knew it was gonna be a
32:02
Speaker 1: tough wind deal and I had to play it on
32:04
Speaker 1: the edge. He did come out, he started to win,
32:07
Speaker 1: and he started even easing a little more of my
32:09
Speaker 1: way to type, you know, to get as much as
32:11
Speaker 1: he could, and if you just took one more step
32:14
Speaker 1: you probably got he'd have got my sentiment gone. But
32:17
Speaker 1: I just played that one to the tea. Um. But
32:21
Speaker 1: like I said, he you know, he was running circles
32:23
Speaker 1: around me the whole year. So I don't I don't
32:24
Speaker 1: know if, but that was the thing that that that
32:28
Speaker 1: got me that specific beer. So, UM, that wind setup
32:32
Speaker 1: seems to be something that you've really fine tuned. Yeah,
32:36
Speaker 1: and we can go into depth about all of that.
32:39
Speaker 1: That's um. Yeah, it's the most important thing with with hunting, sun,
32:46
Speaker 1: sund control of winds and things like that. So yeah,
32:48
Speaker 1: I do want to break that down, but I want
32:50
Speaker 1: to I want to first figure out one thing. Um,
32:54
Speaker 1: this Buckey's mentioned you said that you were hunting all
32:56
Speaker 1: the way through the season. I'm not sure exactly how
32:59
Speaker 1: which part of the season it was, but I'm assuming
33:01
Speaker 1: it was most of the year. Um. I've heard you
33:05
Speaker 1: talk about that when you find a buck that you want,
33:08
Speaker 1: you start hunting him on October one, on opening day,
33:11
Speaker 1: and you stay on him. You just keep getting after
33:12
Speaker 1: and getting after him. And and what I don't understand
33:15
Speaker 1: is how you can do that without blowing them out
33:19
Speaker 1: of there, without busting your chances. I'm always so worried
33:21
Speaker 1: about you know, that's the thing. Everyone's so worried about that.
33:26
Speaker 1: How do you manage that? Well? You? I mean, it's
33:31
Speaker 1: experienced and it's you can't. So I've seen it enough
33:35
Speaker 1: because I scalped. Dude, I've I scaled so much and
33:38
Speaker 1: I take it right to the edge. I gets so
33:40
Speaker 1: close to some of these big books that you take.
33:43
Speaker 1: You take it a little too far. And dude, I've
33:46
Speaker 1: literally had it where I've just poking around some some
33:49
Speaker 1: thickets and cattails and red brusher. I think these things
33:52
Speaker 1: that are being this whole mess and I I turned
33:54
Speaker 1: on my left and here is this monster freaking stare
33:57
Speaker 1: minutes who as we make eye contact, boomies over you
33:59
Speaker 1: just all the time. Like I knew, I should have
34:01
Speaker 1: stopped at that freaking tree that I picked out before.
34:03
Speaker 1: I want to poke a little further and a little deeper.
34:05
Speaker 1: And sometimes you just take it a little but you
34:10
Speaker 1: you learn. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I
34:12
Speaker 1: don't care. And you got guys can argue up in
34:15
Speaker 1: your body. I've seen it so many times and done
34:16
Speaker 1: it so many times. You are not gonna burn a
34:19
Speaker 1: white tail out of his out of his home range.
34:22
Speaker 1: They'll run circles around you, he'll sit tight, still dark,
34:25
Speaker 1: or he'll know you're hunting, but um, you're not gonna
34:28
Speaker 1: do it. And then you get the guys all the
34:30
Speaker 1: time that to say, well, you know, and and and
34:31
Speaker 1: they're right, they got small properties and things of that nature.
34:35
Speaker 1: Um that they have to be a little more careful.
34:37
Speaker 1: What so that's that's probably not a technique for a
34:39
Speaker 1: guy that's got you know, ten acres a hunt or whatever.
34:41
Speaker 1: But I had a pretty substantial lease down in Illinois
34:44
Speaker 1: and used to have it to myself a lot of times.
34:46
Speaker 1: And I swear to god, them deer would come out.
34:49
Speaker 1: I see him come out of a a field edge, and
34:50
Speaker 1: they'd be freaking looking around, like where is he gonna
34:52
Speaker 1: where is he gonna come from from this time? That's
34:54
Speaker 1: the kind of look that they had in their face.
34:56
Speaker 1: And but if their range, uh and and you know
34:59
Speaker 1: some of these bigger here, dominant deer, they're they're in
35:03
Speaker 1: the king pin area. You can piss over their scrapes.
35:06
Speaker 1: They're gonna piss over you. They'll see where you're know
35:10
Speaker 1: where you're sitting a standing, I'll come and a rip
35:11
Speaker 1: and I treat that you're in there. They're sending you
35:13
Speaker 1: a message, you're sutting down message and it's a it's
35:16
Speaker 1: a it's an enjoying game. Man. You're getting me pumped
35:19
Speaker 1: and want to get out there and look around now
35:20
Speaker 1: again here, So I got work to do. Yeah, I
35:23
Speaker 1: don't want to get you in trouble and get you
35:25
Speaker 1: behind on orders or anything. So much of what you're
35:29
Speaker 1: doing is is just getting aggressive with that scouting and
35:32
Speaker 1: pinpointing exactly what they're doing, and then you're adjusting and
35:34
Speaker 1: then search more than a just but what does that
35:37
Speaker 1: look like just prior to the season. So I'm just
35:40
Speaker 1: trying to like ease our way into October one and
35:43
Speaker 1: opening day. What do you when does that scouting start?
35:46
Speaker 1: It's it's totally different if it's a whole new property
35:49
Speaker 1: that would have attacking or if it's the property since
35:50
Speaker 1: the property I know inside now, right, So I just
35:54
Speaker 1: need to know now my biggest thing right now, and
35:56
Speaker 1: I haven't done it. I need to get more cameras
35:58
Speaker 1: out and I need to get spread out more and
36:00
Speaker 1: I need to get a glimpse that this deer is
36:02
Speaker 1: back this year, and if he's back then from what
36:07
Speaker 1: I know about him from last year, I know he
36:09
Speaker 1: betted last year and his whole um, this whole scenario,
36:12
Speaker 1: I don't have to get as crazy as I I
36:15
Speaker 1: would to go in, you know, aggressively. I've already learned
36:17
Speaker 1: this piece of property. If this is a new piece
36:19
Speaker 1: of property, I want to learn a piece of property
36:21
Speaker 1: inside now, because I cannot stand, like I said, sitting
36:24
Speaker 1: in a tree stand and not knowing what is over
36:27
Speaker 1: that next hill and what's over the next hill there.
36:30
Speaker 1: I got this this mind that just as mechanical, and
36:34
Speaker 1: that I need to have all of that puzzle or
36:38
Speaker 1: pieces to start putting together. So I don't go in.
36:41
Speaker 1: You know, if you go go in a handful of
36:43
Speaker 1: a piece of puzzle and I just in my mind,
36:45
Speaker 1: it just won't work. So and the other thing I
36:47
Speaker 1: say too was this, I look at things different than
36:51
Speaker 1: other people. For you to just jump in and try
36:53
Speaker 1: and do what I do if you don't know how
36:56
Speaker 1: to read or um perceive, I'm going to the point
37:00
Speaker 1: now where uh you know, they said, you know you
37:04
Speaker 1: need to be reading that sign and get in there.
37:07
Speaker 1: You need to be in the spot that signs will
37:08
Speaker 1: be made next and ahead of that game, not like
37:11
Speaker 1: one step behind. Um. So coming up all the way
37:15
Speaker 1: reading sign, you know, I see a fresh track, I
37:17
Speaker 1: get on it right away. It seems like me. If
37:19
Speaker 1: you see something, you pounce on it right away. You
37:21
Speaker 1: don't ever want to sit because in two days it
37:23
Speaker 1: changes up. So if you're right there, right there, right there,
37:26
Speaker 1: you're in your best scenario. Um. But imagine now being
37:30
Speaker 1: able to know one enough that the seasons changing, the
37:33
Speaker 1: crops are coming down, is a different stage of the rout.
37:37
Speaker 1: You just start going and looking. You're gonna be where
37:39
Speaker 1: that deer is gonna be making us next sign. You're
37:41
Speaker 1: already step ahead of him. Um. And when you get
37:44
Speaker 1: into that state of the game, I mean your your
37:46
Speaker 1: chances go up. Um. Now, is that just experience that
37:50
Speaker 1: gets you from the point where you're hunting, you know,
37:52
Speaker 1: week goal sign to now predicting where sign is going
37:55
Speaker 1: to be? Is that just time? It's just from years
37:58
Speaker 1: and years of all. Like I said, I still enjoy
37:59
Speaker 1: the to stay looking around, and I did it again
38:04
Speaker 1: last year. There was one to hear during get killed
38:06
Speaker 1: by a neighbor. But a couple of years ago where
38:10
Speaker 1: I was doing on the fold of the front of mine.
38:11
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the stand, I know, and and it's like,
38:13
Speaker 1: you know, this is it's a phenomenal spot. It's usually
38:16
Speaker 1: when I was spot it's like, man, it's just not happening.
38:18
Speaker 1: I gotta get get down and just over the freak
38:21
Speaker 1: just so I can talk about just over the hill,
38:23
Speaker 1: there was a freaking party going on. There was a
38:25
Speaker 1: doll and heating there, and that buckles in there chasing around.
38:27
Speaker 1: I could almost shot that thing if I would have
38:30
Speaker 1: been a good shot along just since I got shot
38:31
Speaker 1: that thing on the ground, it was not leaving a
38:33
Speaker 1: dolls tight. I tried to make a move to another
38:36
Speaker 1: stand where they were going through, and they just got
38:37
Speaker 1: around me. And it was like and I was sitting
38:40
Speaker 1: for two days there in the in an excellent spot actually,
38:44
Speaker 1: And you know, if I would have poked around a
38:46
Speaker 1: little bit more than I um like I normally do,
38:49
Speaker 1: I probably would have been over the hill sitting and
38:52
Speaker 1: got my opportunity out of the stand. So it's just
38:55
Speaker 1: you know, when that changes, and then that dog goes
38:57
Speaker 1: out of heat or whatever, he chases across the road
38:59
Speaker 1: or and go some other doll and it's you know,
39:01
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see that buck for another who those
39:03
Speaker 1: ones the late season, you know, so um, get out
39:07
Speaker 1: why it's hot, staying at while it's hot, don't ever backpedal.
39:10
Speaker 1: The biggest thing in UH tragedy ever seen is people
39:14
Speaker 1: saying that they don't want to over hunt the stand
39:15
Speaker 1: that it's they don't want to screw it up, or
39:17
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's the feel of fear
39:19
Speaker 1: of failure. And I've failed so many fricking times at this.
39:23
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna sit and you're gonna worry about
39:28
Speaker 1: bumping that deer, messing up And that's what we've all
39:30
Speaker 1: been talked to d from all the articles, from all
39:32
Speaker 1: the years, you know, leave the think where you do this,
39:35
Speaker 1: do that, And I've just from experience learning it is
39:38
Speaker 1: totally not that way. Um. And you know, some guys
39:43
Speaker 1: could still argue with to this day. But I watched,
39:46
Speaker 1: you know, I I hunt betting areas. I'm seeing big
39:49
Speaker 1: bucket sit down on their beds come out of here.
39:52
Speaker 1: I'm watching, you know, groups of coyotes running them off
39:54
Speaker 1: their betting areas and turn right around, coming back right
39:57
Speaker 1: to the same bed. I'm watching, you know, myself bumping
39:59
Speaker 1: them out and I'm going right back to the bed.
40:01
Speaker 1: So I don't know where all that stuff came from,
40:03
Speaker 1: but I believe everything my eyes tell me, and not
40:06
Speaker 1: what anybody, um, you know, not what I hear anybody
40:09
Speaker 1: else calls me. So yeah, that's the that's the tough
40:13
Speaker 1: thing for so many people is everything they know is
40:16
Speaker 1: from somebody else, at least until they have ten fifteen
40:20
Speaker 1: years of their own experience to finally start pointing back
40:22
Speaker 1: on you know. And you know, guys, are these guys
40:24
Speaker 1: that we got on our crew, it's it's it's funny.
40:27
Speaker 1: And I had guys to me, you know, Um, they
40:30
Speaker 1: look at me to be a big serious hunter, and
40:31
Speaker 1: I want you pay so much attention to what you know,
40:34
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't. I'm not. I'm not. I'm
40:37
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm not having it. Well, your little failures
40:40
Speaker 1: or what you're doing and all little piece of information
40:42
Speaker 1: that I can get and learn and I can maybe
40:43
Speaker 1: tell you something, honor. Um, I'm not. You know, they
40:47
Speaker 1: still think you can teach an old dog, you know,
40:48
Speaker 1: new tricks, but um, my mind is just that way.
40:52
Speaker 1: I could never ever have enough information or piece of
40:58
Speaker 1: the puzzle, or it's it's it's my it's a blessing,
41:03
Speaker 1: I guess, and it's a curse. I'll tell you in
41:05
Speaker 1: so Mac every night, all my best ideas come at
41:08
Speaker 1: three in the morning. Um, I think about him. They
41:12
Speaker 1: topped my head and I write them down. So it's
41:14
Speaker 1: um and a deer or two of these deer. I'm thinking.
41:18
Speaker 1: I literally a sitting I will sit here and think
41:20
Speaker 1: about a a deer, a fawn that's on his property,
41:25
Speaker 1: and just imagining if that's that's the one in five
41:28
Speaker 1: years you're gonna be here, Is you're gonna make it
41:31
Speaker 1: the kind OF's gonna get him? You know? Is he
41:32
Speaker 1: gonna he'll he'll leave you know at two and a
41:35
Speaker 1: half a couple of years, will you make it back?
41:36
Speaker 1: Somebody kill him? And all these things that just you know,
41:39
Speaker 1: you can't get that out of your head. Uh, it's
41:41
Speaker 1: been just a it's it's I'd like to turn it
41:44
Speaker 1: off if I could, for at least one minute, but
41:48
Speaker 1: I can't. I got, I got there's a lot of
41:51
Speaker 1: people listening right now that I feel a little bit
41:53
Speaker 1: better knowing that they're not the only one going crazy.
41:56
Speaker 1: For white tails sitting up late at night. It's it's
42:00
Speaker 1: a bug, that's uh, the bug you get bit by
42:03
Speaker 1: and you can never you can never get that first
42:05
Speaker 1: high back man. You just keep chasing it and chasing it,
42:07
Speaker 1: and um uh it's it's it's crazy. And I've seen
42:11
Speaker 1: some guys is crazy and crazy as me and uh
42:14
Speaker 1: getting back that too somebody. So everybody settles into what
42:18
Speaker 1: works for him too. So I mean there's guys that
42:21
Speaker 1: are successful, rattling guys successful calling I come from a big,
42:25
Speaker 1: high pressured area. Um my success came from land Low.
42:31
Speaker 1: And even though I'd have this kast and I messed
42:33
Speaker 1: everything up and start all up, I'm in a spot
42:37
Speaker 1: that's virgin, that hasn't been messed up. That I read
42:40
Speaker 1: the sign and I'm capturing that a little moment of
42:42
Speaker 1: time where you know, I'm gonna messed it up for
42:44
Speaker 1: everybody else in the fricking forty but I'm on the
42:47
Speaker 1: I will be on that that deer, and I mean
42:49
Speaker 1: it's almost it got scary. After a while. I could
42:52
Speaker 1: walk up and down the field edge, the big field
42:54
Speaker 1: edge hunter in the in that bigger north country years
42:57
Speaker 1: ago over the you'd have vast um timber land bordering
43:05
Speaker 1: up against some dairy farms, so some of them deer
43:07
Speaker 1: would come out that we'd shine late at night and
43:09
Speaker 1: there'd be deery. Nobody ever killed. You never see you
43:11
Speaker 1: can want to wear the hell is that, you know,
43:13
Speaker 1: living you never see him on poles, but that they
43:15
Speaker 1: could be coming from five miles back in the uh
43:18
Speaker 1: Cedar swamps and coming to the milk or clover fields,
43:21
Speaker 1: being in the middle of night, and so I have
43:23
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see a lot of that. But I
43:24
Speaker 1: could walk up and down the field, read design and
43:26
Speaker 1: almost be on a decent buck and be able to
43:29
Speaker 1: kill it just about every second time, which you know,
43:34
Speaker 1: I think that's some kind of knack that I got
43:36
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Um, I can do
43:38
Speaker 1: it now and and and it's weird. Even good friends
43:43
Speaker 1: he used to think that I was lying to him.
43:45
Speaker 1: I had a buddy that filled up in Illinois once
43:47
Speaker 1: and I said, why the hell did you shoot that buck?
43:49
Speaker 1: There's just monsters everywhere on here. And he said, well,
43:52
Speaker 1: this is a decent bucket. I said, well, it's really
43:54
Speaker 1: not for here. I says, well, I lost it in
43:57
Speaker 1: the son. So I took it down. It was a
43:59
Speaker 1: nice bucket, so he filled up early and I felt
44:02
Speaker 1: sorry that you just have to burn a whole week
44:04
Speaker 1: sitting there as well. Grab the camera and you can
44:05
Speaker 1: follow me around. Then we went and scouted four new
44:08
Speaker 1: sits on that property. I could have shot four different
44:13
Speaker 1: bucks over one sixty and a. Uh. The last sit
44:18
Speaker 1: on an evening post on a pond, I could have
44:20
Speaker 1: shot a hundred and seventy four inch nine point. It
44:23
Speaker 1: came by us, but the pond drink came by. It
44:27
Speaker 1: went to full drawing at you videoed and he's like,
44:29
Speaker 1: what the frick was wrong with that? I said, there's
44:31
Speaker 1: a twelve point typical on his property. That's what I'm
44:34
Speaker 1: here for, and that's what I want. And I know
44:35
Speaker 1: it was one steventy four because the neighbor shot him
44:37
Speaker 1: shockedun season uh and it scored that. So we were
44:41
Speaker 1: in the camp too, and I was telling a few
44:42
Speaker 1: other guys every day. I was coming in and standing
44:44
Speaker 1: I seen this, and I seen enough that somebody got smart,
44:46
Speaker 1: you know, and said, yeah, right, what do you see this?
44:49
Speaker 1: What do you see today? Uh? You know this and
44:51
Speaker 1: that as well? No, you know, four bucks over one
44:54
Speaker 1: fifty and uh, and and this one here and he
44:56
Speaker 1: put you put it in the whole BCR and in
44:59
Speaker 1: the TV. And all the guys are looking with their
45:00
Speaker 1: jaws dropped, nobody seeing nothing. Um. But they're sitting in
45:05
Speaker 1: a stand at maybe an outfitter put up that was
45:07
Speaker 1: set up for the rut um. You know, all this
45:10
Speaker 1: going on all around them, and they're they're stuck in
45:12
Speaker 1: one spot. And I'm not like that though, And I've
45:15
Speaker 1: been like that from a little on. You know, you
45:18
Speaker 1: you go out of aggressive, you it's honey, hunt them down,
45:21
Speaker 1: you know, it's not sitting there waiting from the kill
45:22
Speaker 1: him Stoll. Yeah, I want to. I want to dissect
45:27
Speaker 1: what you mean by hunting down like that? So can
45:30
Speaker 1: you walk me through literally, Like, let's say you you
45:33
Speaker 1: hunt somewhere October, first opening day, and you don't kill
45:37
Speaker 1: your buck that night. When you say that, you're gonna
45:39
Speaker 1: start scout like literally the next day, are you walking around?
45:43
Speaker 1: Where do you walk around? What are you thinking about? Like?
45:45
Speaker 1: Give me the exact details my metholical annihilation of a
45:49
Speaker 1: property once you know, once you learn it, I do
45:50
Speaker 1: a perimeter check, I read everything going out of there,
45:53
Speaker 1: and then I can go in and dissect you inside
45:55
Speaker 1: of it. I learned the property. If I already learned it,
45:57
Speaker 1: and I have that and I'm hunting, I will be
46:01
Speaker 1: in my post in the morning. I will sit and
46:03
Speaker 1: and many of times I get down way too early
46:06
Speaker 1: because I'm so anxious and wanting to go poke around
46:09
Speaker 1: and look at look at news signs and work. I'm
46:12
Speaker 1: back a little further so I'll be in my stand
46:14
Speaker 1: when I get down in the morning. I'm fresh, I
46:17
Speaker 1: haven't been sweated up, i haven't been at a restaurant.
46:19
Speaker 1: All my clothes are clean. Everything. Now I get down
46:21
Speaker 1: and I do some looking around, and then I picked
46:23
Speaker 1: my next spot. I'll pick a spot maybe for a
46:27
Speaker 1: that i'll actually hunt on a morning and evening. Um spot,
46:30
Speaker 1: and then I'll hunt that, and I'll get down and
46:32
Speaker 1: look around. It's a daily, daily grind. Unless you think
46:36
Speaker 1: you got him pinned down and he's coming out of
46:38
Speaker 1: a certain draw every day and it's a matter of
46:40
Speaker 1: just tying into him, then you kind of leave it alone.
46:42
Speaker 1: But you've gotta things are things change up, you know.
46:45
Speaker 1: In October is a tough a tough time to hunt.
46:48
Speaker 1: Things are touchy. Thence control is very, very difficult then,
46:52
Speaker 1: and I just enjoy hunting. I'll set up on a
46:55
Speaker 1: deer a bedded and I'll hear him coughing and hacking
46:58
Speaker 1: in that bed, uh from us from before light. So
47:02
Speaker 1: when I get down, and he never got up and
47:04
Speaker 1: never moves out of it, and according to moon phase,
47:06
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't gonna But I'm a hunter. I'm there.
47:10
Speaker 1: You know, if a coyote bumped him, or for some
47:12
Speaker 1: reason maybe he did decided to get up and spread
47:14
Speaker 1: to make a move or wind change or whatever, I'm
47:17
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I'm not just gonna not hunt it.
47:18
Speaker 1: So um, like a wolf man, just get on it
47:23
Speaker 1: and just keep keep on him and read the sign
47:25
Speaker 1: and then and you'll you will be surprised. Uh, and
47:29
Speaker 1: what you'll find when you you start poking around. The
47:33
Speaker 1: grass sometimes is way greener on the other side of
47:35
Speaker 1: the hill. So when you stay poking around, what do
47:38
Speaker 1: you like? Are you just leaving your tree stand and
47:42
Speaker 1: heading back towards the truck in their house in the
47:44
Speaker 1: general direction and kind of looking here and there, or
47:46
Speaker 1: are you saying, I know there's a betting year here,
47:49
Speaker 1: I want to look at that that kind of thing. Yeah, So, um,
47:53
Speaker 1: forget about going back. If you did go back and
47:54
Speaker 1: get cleaned up. We do that once we find a
47:56
Speaker 1: nice spotsile rights there. Or if you're working a buck
47:58
Speaker 1: and you're trying to work him back, maybe he's coming
48:01
Speaker 1: out a little too late, so you're gonna try and
48:02
Speaker 1: get closer to bed, so you're gonna be Remember I
48:05
Speaker 1: talked about going too far and then and then getting
48:08
Speaker 1: a little too close. So you work your way back
48:10
Speaker 1: in and you uh, maybe set up another stand. Then
48:14
Speaker 1: you can go back the car, grab your stuff, read
48:17
Speaker 1: set up that stand. Maybe climbing there in the morning,
48:20
Speaker 1: are given an evening hunt and then and just keep
48:22
Speaker 1: doing that. You're not going to look for a whole
48:25
Speaker 1: another deer going to look for a whole another spots.
48:28
Speaker 1: You're kind of year after that one deer and you're
48:30
Speaker 1: trying to figure out on that at that time of year,
48:32
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do, where he's gonna be, and um,
48:36
Speaker 1: and and just keep methodically going after him, you know,
48:39
Speaker 1: and sometimes you got the spot where you don't need
48:41
Speaker 1: to you're you're in the right spot. It could be
48:43
Speaker 1: a matter of time with him getting up early enough
48:45
Speaker 1: and moving out. Perfect example that once is the last
48:50
Speaker 1: couple of days of the week of the season. Uh,
48:54
Speaker 1: friends of mine, I was hunting particular piece and the
48:56
Speaker 1: sign was there, the deer, a group of bucks is
48:59
Speaker 1: coming out awesome bottoms through this farm. Miland I had
49:03
Speaker 1: onto the golf course and their tracks were there every day,
49:06
Speaker 1: fresh coming through there, every day coming through a fresh
49:08
Speaker 1: And then he's like, what are you gonna do a
49:10
Speaker 1: burnier the rest of your week? Um, I got the
49:13
Speaker 1: best because the deer I want coming through here. I
49:15
Speaker 1: got a week left. What am I gonna go look
49:17
Speaker 1: for some other freaking deer in five days? And I
49:20
Speaker 1: held it out and held it out, and I killed
49:22
Speaker 1: one day for who knows our reasons. So people might
49:24
Speaker 1: have bumped them or whatever the hell. The deal was.
49:27
Speaker 1: They got up and they moved early and came through
49:28
Speaker 1: and I think that one was one sixty seven. It
49:32
Speaker 1: was a It was a nice bucket. I held him
49:34
Speaker 1: my hold to my my gun. So, um man, when
49:40
Speaker 1: you when you talk about, you know, moving in on
49:43
Speaker 1: this buck, you where he's not moving yet during daylight
49:46
Speaker 1: or not where you're at, so you're pushing a little farther.
49:49
Speaker 1: What is the sign that you're seeing that, Like, what's
49:53
Speaker 1: the threshold of sign that you have to pass to
49:55
Speaker 1: be okay, I need to set up here. Is it
49:57
Speaker 1: the first good rub or you have to have a
50:00
Speaker 1: a ton of fresh rubs? Like what makes you stop?
50:03
Speaker 1: So you'll see something? You'll go and you know there'll
50:06
Speaker 1: be mediocre signing around there, and all of a sudden
50:08
Speaker 1: you're you know you're you're getting in there and poke
50:10
Speaker 1: around and um, like last year there was a huge fresh,
50:15
Speaker 1: ripped up rubs already marketing deer markets territory. Often I uh,
50:20
Speaker 1: it was a buck that I didn't want to chase.
50:22
Speaker 1: But in science hindsight, the one I was after, I
50:24
Speaker 1: might have been running that same circuit when I dove
50:26
Speaker 1: in a little deeper. Um, I think it was a
50:29
Speaker 1: week later. I wish I would have dolved in a
50:32
Speaker 1: little deeper the first time I seen those rubs, because
50:35
Speaker 1: there was a rub line to this property, dude, besides
50:37
Speaker 1: your waist chest, that they had this empire interior just
50:42
Speaker 1: through all this uh major parts think just ripped ahead.
50:47
Speaker 1: I would I would have probably liked the gut on
50:48
Speaker 1: that a little earlier than I did. Um. Look, there's
50:52
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that if you sat on the
50:54
Speaker 1: field edge you know, and that's going on like a
50:56
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards in September, and you're sitting in
50:59
Speaker 1: there not do anything. Come out every night, and that
51:01
Speaker 1: deer's in there rubbing things and hanging back or doing
51:03
Speaker 1: whatever hell he's doing there. You know. So um, I'm
51:07
Speaker 1: telling you, you you get you look around, you're gonna see it.
51:09
Speaker 1: You look and you will find they are where they are.
51:14
Speaker 1: Just like fishing, I mean, what do you do? Just
51:15
Speaker 1: go beat the freaking water to a throp or start
51:19
Speaker 1: pumping shot into the fields hoping to hit a pheasant. Um,
51:22
Speaker 1: take a man, go find a fish, you know, pattern
51:24
Speaker 1: them and go after him, you know, and if they
51:26
Speaker 1: ain't biting, make them bite. Okay, mean so yeah, you
51:34
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about the right way. I wanna
51:36
Speaker 1: I wanna process a perfect example how how aggressive a
51:39
Speaker 1: guy could get. So back in the day with everybody
51:42
Speaker 1: and your brother baiting everybody thought the big deer nocturnal,
51:46
Speaker 1: they don't come in. They don't come in because you're
51:47
Speaker 1: you're hunting over your bait. You're shooting everything that comes
51:49
Speaker 1: in there. I could literally go on a property. I
51:53
Speaker 1: can run the whole property, kick every freaking deer up
51:55
Speaker 1: on the property and go jump in the bait that
51:57
Speaker 1: deer was using in almost ninety per cent of time
52:00
Speaker 1: that deer would come in before dark. He got up
52:03
Speaker 1: off his ass, and he moved through his normal pattern
52:06
Speaker 1: circuit um. I'm doing one man drives on big deer.
52:10
Speaker 1: I'm loading up with lots I'm doing. I'm doing some
52:12
Speaker 1: aggressive stuff that you know, in the hands of the
52:15
Speaker 1: wrong guy might you know, it might not work from
52:18
Speaker 1: But I've showed a few other guys to do this
52:20
Speaker 1: and they're, uh, don't be doing it while I'm on
52:23
Speaker 1: the same piece of property you're at. You know, I
52:24
Speaker 1: don't want to be the one freaking everything up and
52:26
Speaker 1: they capitalize on it. But yeah, yes, you know, I
52:31
Speaker 1: know a big part of of you know, dialing in
52:35
Speaker 1: these deer is figuring out where they're betting. What are
52:38
Speaker 1: you doing? Like, what's the next step to try to
52:41
Speaker 1: dial in exactly where they're betting, Because you know, I
52:43
Speaker 1: think a lot of hunters have a situation like this
52:45
Speaker 1: where they think, I think this buck is betting in
52:48
Speaker 1: this swamp somewhere. There's like a five acre air he's somewhere,
52:51
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure he's betting in there. But I
52:53
Speaker 1: think with you you go more detail than that, right, Well,
52:57
Speaker 1: I do and I don't. So we have spots on
52:59
Speaker 1: here where there's uh and and I went and I
53:02
Speaker 1: walked at um walked at the shut hunting this year,
53:06
Speaker 1: Um that these bucks come out of this draw there.
53:09
Speaker 1: We know they're better just inside there, because that's I'll
53:12
Speaker 1: get up and they'll they'll come out. We didn't need
53:13
Speaker 1: to go in there and bump modity or know that,
53:15
Speaker 1: but we know that from experience. But now when I
53:18
Speaker 1: walked in there, actually for the first time I looked around,
53:20
Speaker 1: it's like, even if you wanted to go in there,
53:22
Speaker 1: these things are like freaking goats on the side of
53:24
Speaker 1: freaking cliffs and uh rock croppings that you're probably not
53:28
Speaker 1: gonna kill that buck right in that bed, but you
53:31
Speaker 1: can kill him in the corridor. And that's what my son,
53:33
Speaker 1: I think, like to do. He likes to get the
53:34
Speaker 1: corridors coming in and out of that uh uh that
53:38
Speaker 1: betting area where um again, I need that piece of information.
53:42
Speaker 1: It's like in my mind, if I see exactly where
53:44
Speaker 1: that buck is betting, and we had a piece um
53:48
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin that there was there's three betting areas on
53:51
Speaker 1: this property. One right behind the kennels, a guy had
53:56
Speaker 1: a like ten dogs in there, and all the big
53:59
Speaker 1: bucks are better right up against his farmhouse right back
54:01
Speaker 1: at the kennels. There was one in the uh, the
54:06
Speaker 1: middle of the swamp that I could go off right
54:08
Speaker 1: in there any day, walk right for that tree and
54:10
Speaker 1: knocked that big bastard in off there. Um. And then
54:13
Speaker 1: it was the third one was kind of more open
54:15
Speaker 1: on hedgerows where you can see a long way coming.
54:18
Speaker 1: Those big bucks on that property are going to be
54:20
Speaker 1: in one of those, just from years experience. During one
54:23
Speaker 1: of those, when the weekend come around and there's another
54:26
Speaker 1: ten guys hunting the property, all of the bucks will
54:28
Speaker 1: just run right up against that freaking uh that kennel
54:31
Speaker 1: and sit till freaking pitch dark. And you know who
54:33
Speaker 1: was sitting off at that kennel with about forty yards
54:36
Speaker 1: and watching him get up when the dogs started freaking
54:38
Speaker 1: barking at how? It was me? And at one time
54:41
Speaker 1: I screwed up and learned I ended up actually dragging
54:44
Speaker 1: a deer out of there, and somebody wanted the guys
54:46
Speaker 1: followed that drag back and started nosing around here. Had
54:49
Speaker 1: I had to back off a little bit, so he
54:51
Speaker 1: wouldn't find that that sweet spot. But um, those deer,
54:55
Speaker 1: you know, they get accustomed to whatever the pressure is.
54:58
Speaker 1: And then um and I would so a little snaker.
55:01
Speaker 1: I would get there and do my scouting on hunting
55:02
Speaker 1: on a Thursday a couple of days before, and then
55:05
Speaker 1: I let those guys have all the scraps for the
55:07
Speaker 1: weekend once once I got had my way with it.
55:10
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different things you can do. Um,
55:15
Speaker 1: but you learn that stuff, and once you learn it,
55:16
Speaker 1: you don't I don't have to go there again. I
55:18
Speaker 1: could set up on you know, betting area be you
55:22
Speaker 1: know or um, you know when they pushed them up
55:25
Speaker 1: against the channels. Now there's nobody on the property and
55:27
Speaker 1: you're down maybe in that swamp or hanging down there,
55:29
Speaker 1: then they gotta go set up on a spot that's
55:31
Speaker 1: coming off there. So there's there's some things that other
55:35
Speaker 1: hunters out there that focus on. Betting area is a
55:38
Speaker 1: lot like to point to to help people like identify
55:41
Speaker 1: this is a buck betting area, this is a doughe
55:43
Speaker 1: betting area. Um, when you're out there, what are the
55:46
Speaker 1: things that help you differentiate? Is it simply a big
55:50
Speaker 1: rub and a big bed, or what is it that
55:52
Speaker 1: tells you, okay, this is a buck betting area, a
55:55
Speaker 1: big and I don't I hate that terminology buck betting
55:58
Speaker 1: area that just a million times a buck's betting areas
56:02
Speaker 1: where it's betting. It's going to be that new button monitor.
56:04
Speaker 1: It could be in my woods here. Um, during late season,
56:07
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of an open hardwoods during gun season,
56:10
Speaker 1: big huge bucks. I can look at right off my
56:12
Speaker 1: my porch at a big draw that's there, and I'll
56:14
Speaker 1: watch these slobs just come right up in there in bed.
56:16
Speaker 1: They're safe from all the gun hunters. Um. It is
56:19
Speaker 1: where it is now. There's areas that once you find them,
56:24
Speaker 1: even if a deer is killed, it seems like the bigger,
56:26
Speaker 1: more mature deer they're they're there for a reason. Okay.
56:29
Speaker 1: So where it drives you not to try and think
56:32
Speaker 1: of why it is? Forget about why it is? Why
56:35
Speaker 1: is it every time I walk for this draw, I
56:37
Speaker 1: jump a huge buck. I mean a guy, you know
56:39
Speaker 1: you do it two or three times, four times? You
56:41
Speaker 1: know at some point in time you gotta get in
56:44
Speaker 1: your brain. Now, I don't to hunt this spot here
56:45
Speaker 1: can deer's always here, you know. Uh. And when you
56:48
Speaker 1: find those spots their gold, then you don't have to
56:51
Speaker 1: be Then you can set up on him, stay out
56:53
Speaker 1: of there and evening hunt, slide in there for only
56:55
Speaker 1: morning hunts and the winds right and you think that's
56:57
Speaker 1: gonna be a good And you got a awesome and
57:01
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of spots like that. You've got
57:02
Speaker 1: awesome spots to hunt all the time, you know. Um. Yeah,
57:08
Speaker 1: So going back to your your your betting area. If
57:11
Speaker 1: you've got a buck that you know is betting in
57:12
Speaker 1: like a five acre piece of that swamp, learn where
57:16
Speaker 1: he's coming and out of here. Go look at the tracks.
57:18
Speaker 1: He leaves big tracks behind, you know uh. And and
57:21
Speaker 1: to identify a box bed, obviously a buck is a
57:24
Speaker 1: big animal, leaves a big track, It leaves a big
57:27
Speaker 1: freaking turn behind and uh leaves a little sign of
57:30
Speaker 1: aggression and stick your freaking nose in one. If you
57:32
Speaker 1: want to smell a buck bed, they smell like get
57:35
Speaker 1: um and does smell sweet. Same thing with the urine,
57:38
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's step pissing the freaking on the grass,
57:40
Speaker 1: take a whiff of it. You can tell a buck
57:42
Speaker 1: from a doll um. Yeah, yeah, I'm being serious that
57:47
Speaker 1: the dose well sweet, I could smell a freaking rutting
57:51
Speaker 1: buck from from a hunter yards away many And here's
57:54
Speaker 1: another thing that's funny. I I got two huge nose
57:57
Speaker 1: in my face, right, you know what it works? It's
58:00
Speaker 1: I joke about it. But I have a more sensitive
58:06
Speaker 1: smelling capability. I think that most people do. And my
58:10
Speaker 1: wife's like, why don't you you know you don't have
58:13
Speaker 1: that shirt's not dirty? You know, um, you don't need
58:15
Speaker 1: to wash it again. If if there's a shirt in
58:18
Speaker 1: my closet that's was not washed, I could sniff that
58:21
Speaker 1: some of uch. Honestly, as soon as I opened that
58:23
Speaker 1: tricking deal. And when I'm walking through the woods, I
58:26
Speaker 1: get senses of so if you can picture what a
58:31
Speaker 1: deer would to do it as nose, it's almost like
58:34
Speaker 1: walking into a fricking brick wall. That's how That's how
58:37
Speaker 1: good they can smell. Um. And you've got to get
58:40
Speaker 1: that in your head, um and learn that and then
58:43
Speaker 1: that that will help you a long ways. And this
58:45
Speaker 1: just chasing around, chasing around his white filter, that's a
58:48
Speaker 1: that's a major major um thing with his gears. That
58:52
Speaker 1: they're using them that nose their advantage all the time,
58:55
Speaker 1: and um when I learned to use it myself in
59:00
Speaker 1: my advantage. So so you you come on a buck
59:04
Speaker 1: or you come on a bed, and you you look
59:06
Speaker 1: at it. You see it's a big impression on the ground.
59:10
Speaker 1: You see there's some big turds. You take a whiff.
59:12
Speaker 1: It's got that bucky smell. What else do you do?
59:15
Speaker 1: I don't need to take the whip I got. I could,
59:16
Speaker 1: I could, I could see it's a bus bed already.
59:18
Speaker 1: So so that's the right now. I was just so
59:21
Speaker 1: we couldn't run him in a roald here we run
59:24
Speaker 1: to get inventory and stuff, and they're not hitting him
59:28
Speaker 1: this year for is good. And I'm telling my my buddy,
59:31
Speaker 1: I says, We've got this huge, huge buck bed right
59:34
Speaker 1: on the edge of the bean field in the grass,
59:36
Speaker 1: not even going back in Teptember, and he ain't a
59:39
Speaker 1: hundred yards from you know, your mineral and your corn
59:42
Speaker 1: filery to get a picture of him, and he's not
59:44
Speaker 1: even going over and not acknowledging it. So do you
59:46
Speaker 1: want to get a picture of him, You got to
59:47
Speaker 1: take your camera and go slide over to where where
59:49
Speaker 1: he's better, or where he's feeding them beans. You gotta
59:52
Speaker 1: start changing up and moving around, you know, you gotta
59:54
Speaker 1: read that. So if a guy is accustomed to doing
59:56
Speaker 1: this scenario, the fine inmentory every year this periodes death
1:00:00
Speaker 1: not a failure because they're not for some reason going
1:00:03
Speaker 1: to them. I got a theory of why they're not
1:00:04
Speaker 1: this year, but um, I don't know if it's right
1:00:07
Speaker 1: or not. But um, well, we got extremely um high
1:00:14
Speaker 1: amount of coons again this year, and it seems like
1:00:16
Speaker 1: every time, and I know they don't they don't really
1:00:18
Speaker 1: bother them. I've actually seen big light they'll kill raccoons
1:00:21
Speaker 1: that come to Bates late season and stuff. But I
1:00:24
Speaker 1: think with all that chaos and all that pistons ship
1:00:26
Speaker 1: on there and there's so much food from now, they
1:00:29
Speaker 1: don't need to be visiting that they you know that
1:00:31
Speaker 1: they're seeing everything going to that mineral from where he's
1:00:34
Speaker 1: better right now. He's not that far away on the
1:00:36
Speaker 1: edge of the field. So um, it could have something
1:00:39
Speaker 1: to do with that, or maybe this year they don't
1:00:41
Speaker 1: need to the minerals as much as they normally does.
1:00:44
Speaker 1: So those things that I would love to know the
1:00:45
Speaker 1: answer to that, but I don't but I I think
1:00:48
Speaker 1: I know enough about the outskirts around it too to
1:00:51
Speaker 1: help me in my endeavors. Here so interesting dialing back
1:00:56
Speaker 1: on the bed situation, like what if it's in season,
1:00:58
Speaker 1: you find a bed, think it's a buck? Are you
1:01:02
Speaker 1: like some guys will sit in it and think through
1:01:04
Speaker 1: where am I to hang a stand right here? I
1:01:06
Speaker 1: think I've heard you say that on one of the
1:01:08
Speaker 1: old videos out there, like what are the things you're
1:01:10
Speaker 1: breaking down at that point? Is it? Okay? So at
1:01:13
Speaker 1: that time of year, I'm not really um looking for
1:01:17
Speaker 1: a bed per se that there's not a deer in it.
1:01:20
Speaker 1: I'll be going and if I bump a deer out
1:01:22
Speaker 1: of that bed, I'm looking for the spot. I don't
1:01:24
Speaker 1: know what bucks, and at that it might be a
1:01:29
Speaker 1: pound white till um. So I'm not like a lot
1:01:32
Speaker 1: of these guys I guess looking for uh if if
1:01:37
Speaker 1: you're asking me for guys coming up in the state
1:01:40
Speaker 1: that they're in, I'm getting to give a bunch of
1:01:41
Speaker 1: different answers of what they should be doing versus somebody
1:01:44
Speaker 1: who's onto where the deer's already betted or onto this buck.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: Um um. I'm not out looking for new you know
1:01:53
Speaker 1: new new buck. There's a new spots already know where
1:01:55
Speaker 1: the bucks better than I'm I'm going after him, you know.
1:01:58
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious about both. Yeah, so both
1:02:02
Speaker 1: as far as on. So if you want to if
1:02:03
Speaker 1: you were going to find uh a buck's bed, then
1:02:07
Speaker 1: you think you just bumped them out of there, or
1:02:08
Speaker 1: you just think you're wander around and you came upon one.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: You know, you know where one's at. Yeah, I'm wondering. Yeah,
1:02:15
Speaker 1: you know, most guys have the tools. I would think
1:02:17
Speaker 1: to see where that beds that look at the lay
1:02:20
Speaker 1: of the land and check out the wind and then
1:02:22
Speaker 1: figure out a spot to set a stand for when
1:02:24
Speaker 1: he's coming back. Correct. Okay, So so's what you might
1:02:29
Speaker 1: do is you might spend all the time and effort
1:02:30
Speaker 1: and do that, and you might end up with a
1:02:32
Speaker 1: buck that you don't want. Same with scrapes. You know,
1:02:36
Speaker 1: I could sit there's so many scrapes on. I can
1:02:37
Speaker 1: sit scrapes all day long. But what if the beard
1:02:41
Speaker 1: that you're after is not working at scrape? You want
1:02:43
Speaker 1: to go waste the day sitting on a scrape that's
1:02:45
Speaker 1: got maybe four one towards coming through that are working
1:02:47
Speaker 1: at that you know your bucks not even he's on that.
1:02:51
Speaker 1: So um, I guess I'm in a different state than
1:02:54
Speaker 1: we're where. I gotta know, like I said, I gotta
1:02:58
Speaker 1: have all the piece of information. I don't like to
1:03:00
Speaker 1: douche it wind um. And even these stands we've got,
1:03:02
Speaker 1: we've got phenomenal stands that are just they're in right
1:03:05
Speaker 1: spots and they'll light up for short and time or
1:03:08
Speaker 1: they'll be great. I cannot stand just going and jumping
1:03:11
Speaker 1: in one of those without looking at the sign there first.
1:03:15
Speaker 1: I'll be up in that tree and I'll be just
1:03:16
Speaker 1: like thinking to myself, is it not even hot here yet?
1:03:19
Speaker 1: Or it's you know, I mean it just it just
1:03:20
Speaker 1: drives me a while. I gotta go there and literally
1:03:22
Speaker 1: physically check the trails again and almost like checking traps um.
1:03:27
Speaker 1: And there's spots too that I have. I'm like that too.
1:03:29
Speaker 1: I'll go and I'll they get I'll check a primary
1:03:32
Speaker 1: scrape and I'll watch you. I'll get nicked up a
1:03:34
Speaker 1: little bit. They're gonna be some branches tooot up a
1:03:37
Speaker 1: little bit, and then I'll check it like four days later,
1:03:40
Speaker 1: and then the little knick ups a little more addressed
1:03:42
Speaker 1: of and then all of a sudden, I'll check it,
1:03:44
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days later, and some branches
1:03:45
Speaker 1: are broken off, and I'll come here one day in
1:03:47
Speaker 1: the sun of a bitch is just demolished. And then
1:03:50
Speaker 1: I learned on that spot because I was I would
1:03:52
Speaker 1: hunt that that area and I would not see ship
1:03:57
Speaker 1: until that tree got demolished. Then I learn it over
1:04:00
Speaker 1: the years, right, I dive in there and then big
1:04:02
Speaker 1: that big sun a bit should be up running, you know,
1:04:05
Speaker 1: daylight hours, just aggressive as hell, and it was the
1:04:07
Speaker 1: timing was right time to do it, you know. Uh.
1:04:11
Speaker 1: Over the years, I got a little more advanced. For
1:04:12
Speaker 1: now I could go sneak up to where he was
1:04:14
Speaker 1: held up. I call it a staging area um where
1:04:18
Speaker 1: that deer will hang out. He might get up before dark,
1:04:20
Speaker 1: but that was just they'll just hang out there and
1:04:22
Speaker 1: no spots you can find um us in grassy marshal areas.
1:04:26
Speaker 1: There'll be some worn out dead grass there. You can
1:04:28
Speaker 1: almost see like where two bucks might be sparring there,
1:04:31
Speaker 1: and they'll get up out of your beds and they'll
1:04:32
Speaker 1: stay there untill pitch dark and then move out. You know,
1:04:35
Speaker 1: if there's too much pressure, if you're on public or whatever. So,
1:04:39
Speaker 1: like I said, over time and over the years, as
1:04:41
Speaker 1: you you absorb all that stuff, you can. Um, it's
1:04:44
Speaker 1: just reads like it's almost written written on a sign
1:04:47
Speaker 1: there to me and and and some guys will just
1:04:49
Speaker 1: not not see it. I got some pretty advanced on
1:04:53
Speaker 1: her stood that I try and teach win the thermal stool,
1:04:55
Speaker 1: and they just just don't freaking get it, and they
1:04:57
Speaker 1: probably never will. I'm just for your say. So, UM,
1:05:02
Speaker 1: I know that back in the day, when it came
1:05:05
Speaker 1: to using trail cameras, you would just focused on using
1:05:09
Speaker 1: them for inventory during the summer. But I think you're
1:05:12
Speaker 1: using them more now recently, is that right? Like, how
1:05:14
Speaker 1: are you using cameras in season to help you fine
1:05:17
Speaker 1: tune this scouting portion to dial in? So you know
1:05:20
Speaker 1: that that scrape isn't just a couple and forties, it's
1:05:22
Speaker 1: it's the buck, right, It's I gotta say, I got
1:05:26
Speaker 1: I got a trail camera, soulf Um. It kind of
1:05:29
Speaker 1: is a really unfair advantage, Okay. So I explained the
1:05:33
Speaker 1: guys that years ago, everybody be in church, I'd be
1:05:38
Speaker 1: freaking in a swamp before the season up to my
1:05:42
Speaker 1: chest literally glassing huge Marsha's for a week before the season. Man, nobody,
1:05:47
Speaker 1: you know, nobody did that. Nobody had to wear it
1:05:50
Speaker 1: all or the gump to do it. Now, a guy
1:05:52
Speaker 1: could go slap a camera and do all what I
1:05:55
Speaker 1: did all weeks of work and have it in in
1:05:57
Speaker 1: two minutes. Okay, so again it's a two I use it.
1:06:00
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a value boot tool. Um. But
1:06:04
Speaker 1: I got so frustrated with him that I just got
1:06:05
Speaker 1: piste off that us, Like why am I going through
1:06:07
Speaker 1: all this work and you know, half these cameras are
1:06:09
Speaker 1: scared and dear, I can't see what the hell is
1:06:11
Speaker 1: in the picture, And I'm like freaking, I wouldn't spend
1:06:13
Speaker 1: a lot of money to do a camera because I
1:06:15
Speaker 1: got I got sick of wasted my time with him. Um,
1:06:20
Speaker 1: there was a deer on this property had the biggest
1:06:22
Speaker 1: white til track I've privacy seen and never got a
1:06:24
Speaker 1: glimpse of them, and and it was in the snow.
1:06:27
Speaker 1: It was a scrape, and I had set a camera.
1:06:30
Speaker 1: I've seen that track going through there, and I finally
1:06:33
Speaker 1: I went up and I've seen the track with through
1:06:34
Speaker 1: and I got I got this, I'm gonna see what
1:06:36
Speaker 1: the friakest thing has got in his head? Finally, you know,
1:06:39
Speaker 1: I think I got from the neck down. I got
1:06:42
Speaker 1: so freaking hot. I took that camera and just ripe
1:06:44
Speaker 1: pull it at the freaking blew in a million pieces,
1:06:46
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm done with this ship. I don't
1:06:50
Speaker 1: know if the stick behind it sag or whatever the
1:06:52
Speaker 1: hell it was that I thought, I can't take it anymore.
1:06:54
Speaker 1: You know, this is painful. So um, if I'm going
1:06:57
Speaker 1: to use a piece of equipment, I wanted to work right,
1:06:59
Speaker 1: so um. But yeah, so it's a it's a great tool,
1:07:04
Speaker 1: but uh, you gotta be careful because um, you know,
1:07:09
Speaker 1: especially with a lot of cells and all that, you
1:07:11
Speaker 1: can get too much in there, too much human intervention,
1:07:15
Speaker 1: especially during the season. A deer and velvet as a
1:07:17
Speaker 1: different animal than a deer and hard horn. Um. A
1:07:20
Speaker 1: deer on a on a on a mineral or a
1:07:22
Speaker 1: bait site is a different animal than one that's kind
1:07:25
Speaker 1: of back in a wild and back in the game.
1:07:28
Speaker 1: Sol Um, you don't want to Oh, the one kid
1:07:32
Speaker 1: was set in his camera and and I think another
1:07:35
Speaker 1: guy was an interest that came and hunt your property
1:07:36
Speaker 1: more because this kid's up and down, checking his camera
1:07:39
Speaker 1: every freaking day up and now on the whole I mean,
1:07:41
Speaker 1: you're just you're leaving your scent in, You're you're you
1:07:44
Speaker 1: know the deer pattern. You know, you gotta be smart
1:07:46
Speaker 1: about it, and I'll put it on maybe, uh, plot watcher,
1:07:49
Speaker 1: get way back and watch the whole thing and stay
1:07:52
Speaker 1: away from that intimate spot that you need to do
1:07:54
Speaker 1: your ambush and know also, um, but I think it's
1:07:57
Speaker 1: a valuable tool. It really is. And it's like I said,
1:08:01
Speaker 1: it's it's it's as uh, it's as valuable as as
1:08:05
Speaker 1: their standing beans late season. I mean they're both you know,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: criminally freaking great to use, and um, they give you
1:08:13
Speaker 1: an advantage. Not that the daring got the big advantage
1:08:16
Speaker 1: over here to start with, right, Yes, they have got
1:08:19
Speaker 1: the thing that the leg up on us in most cases.
1:08:22
Speaker 1: But with these cameras, do you kind of sent them
1:08:26
Speaker 1: in some low impact places and let them just be
1:08:28
Speaker 1: there all year, or do you move them throughout the
1:08:30
Speaker 1: season and get zeroed in closer and closer to where
1:08:33
Speaker 1: you think a buck is and kind of close in
1:08:36
Speaker 1: on a buck in a way. So we said them
1:08:39
Speaker 1: on a lot of scrapes now during during the season.
1:08:43
Speaker 1: And then areas where the scrapes have from a distance
1:08:46
Speaker 1: kind of away where deerill funnel through. Um, so if
1:08:48
Speaker 1: something comes through there, even you get anything that hits
1:08:51
Speaker 1: the scrape and you get a whole area of deer
1:08:52
Speaker 1: moving through that area. I used them all last year.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: It did not have any problems. You can watch my show.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: It just aired the other day, and I think they'll
1:09:01
Speaker 1: show you some video of whitetail on these scrapes during
1:09:04
Speaker 1: the season that are phenomenal. Cody literally he used cameras
1:09:08
Speaker 1: to chase the big buck down last year and he didn't.
1:09:11
Speaker 1: He didn't get the deer, but dude, he got onto
1:09:15
Speaker 1: it or close to it like seven different times, which
1:09:18
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm good enough to get
1:09:19
Speaker 1: onto a big deer that many times. Normally I'm like,
1:09:21
Speaker 1: if I'm pushing up, I got an opportunity or or
1:09:24
Speaker 1: close the third time to figure something out and beat there.
1:09:26
Speaker 1: I'm I'm lucky as hell. So um And he even
1:09:29
Speaker 1: actually said the deer that I shot he had on
1:09:31
Speaker 1: camera said before I saw said that I think that
1:09:35
Speaker 1: damn deer left the side of the the road. Now he's
1:09:36
Speaker 1: on he's on the other side in that morning, I
1:09:38
Speaker 1: see I think you're right. I think he went on
1:09:40
Speaker 1: my side road and he came through the drawers and
1:09:42
Speaker 1: he's done. So look, but we got some things we
1:09:46
Speaker 1: did do that these who walks, you're gonna see world
1:09:48
Speaker 1: class deer looking into that camera and not even you
1:09:52
Speaker 1: know they know something's there. I mean I kind of hide. Um,
1:09:55
Speaker 1: but it's it's not bothering them. Um, and it's it's
1:10:01
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty good deal to be able to have
1:10:03
Speaker 1: that where a lot of the other ones I had
1:10:04
Speaker 1: to look at that thing and run people on video mode.
1:10:08
Speaker 1: You can watch them with their asses in the air,
1:10:10
Speaker 1: in their tails is freaking hidden to the to the hill.
1:10:13
Speaker 1: So um, you just gotta be careful. You know what
1:10:15
Speaker 1: it is? Common sense? You know, a guy start using
1:10:17
Speaker 1: a little more. Um. My teacher told me you're not
1:10:20
Speaker 1: the brightest stuff, Bulgary says. But I think someone puts
1:10:24
Speaker 1: you in line ten different times for common sense. You've
1:10:26
Speaker 1: got more common sense in this whole class combined. So um.
1:10:30
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's again just the way
1:10:32
Speaker 1: my mind works in that area. Um, but get me
1:10:36
Speaker 1: to spell something or a dual arithmetic. I'm I'm just
1:10:39
Speaker 1: kind of lost brother. We've all got our things. Um,
1:10:43
Speaker 1: so here's what I'm still one of the things I
1:10:46
Speaker 1: keep on wondering about. You've got You've got these cameras
1:10:49
Speaker 1: on scrapes. You are out there poking around, scouting sometimes daily.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: It sounds like going out there looking, searching, moving in.
1:10:58
Speaker 1: How do you do that in not push that deer
1:11:00
Speaker 1: to be more nocturnal, or how do you not push
1:11:03
Speaker 1: that deer to be doing a different thing tomorrow because
1:11:05
Speaker 1: you walk through today at that time of that year.
1:11:08
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, they don't give a
1:11:10
Speaker 1: ship if you're a human. What's going on that deer?
1:11:14
Speaker 1: Um a lot of times does not give a ship.
1:11:16
Speaker 1: But you're doing what your he's concentrated on dolls, going
1:11:19
Speaker 1: on the heat and following them. And when you when
1:11:23
Speaker 1: you read that sign that that happens when um, when
1:11:26
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, uh, you'll have a trail coming
1:11:29
Speaker 1: up across the ridge or something and it's got huge, polished,
1:11:33
Speaker 1: freaking red, hot, freaking rubs. That's a dog going on
1:11:37
Speaker 1: the heat and she's got four days before she'll be bread.
1:11:40
Speaker 1: When you see that sign, you get on that and
1:11:43
Speaker 1: you get on it right away and that dear don't
1:11:44
Speaker 1: give a ship even if you're there, he's gonna still
1:11:46
Speaker 1: go up that dropt all that does no matter what,
1:11:48
Speaker 1: Like I told you, if I could have, if I
1:11:50
Speaker 1: could have ranged or knew the range that was at
1:11:53
Speaker 1: our had ability to shoot that deer. I think that
1:11:55
Speaker 1: there was a forty five yards that deer was standing
1:11:57
Speaker 1: in open fields staring at me, and I was watching
1:12:00
Speaker 1: that doll right on the edge of the woods standing there.
1:12:02
Speaker 1: He wasn't leaving that doll side. He didn't give a shift.
1:12:05
Speaker 1: I was standing there staring at him. If I could
1:12:07
Speaker 1: have took a pulp and hit that there, I could
1:12:09
Speaker 1: killed him off the ground probably, But um, that's the
1:12:12
Speaker 1: killable deer. That deer earlier in the year. Man, you
1:12:14
Speaker 1: got a tip toe around or you know, make sure
1:12:16
Speaker 1: you don't get too aggressive in this spot and that
1:12:19
Speaker 1: stuff that he's playing the game. He knows gen areas
1:12:21
Speaker 1: doesn't run circles around this though. Yeah, it was a
1:12:24
Speaker 1: winning rome. You know, take that season. You know you
1:12:28
Speaker 1: kinda don't bust in like a freaking bull or trying
1:12:30
Speaker 1: to cabin start what you can stay for distance field
1:12:33
Speaker 1: edge hunt. Look, you know then as it gets an October,
1:12:36
Speaker 1: it gets tougher. The only time. And I've had a
1:12:38
Speaker 1: whole season where I talked to guys that were did
1:12:41
Speaker 1: other shows. All their guys were not seeing ship. It
1:12:46
Speaker 1: went dead in October big time that year. And I
1:12:50
Speaker 1: was seeing freaking nice, mature deer every freaking day. The
1:12:55
Speaker 1: difference was I was shrick and crawling right up their
1:12:58
Speaker 1: asses and right in the beds with them, and they
1:13:01
Speaker 1: weren't going out of the bedding areas. They would get
1:13:04
Speaker 1: up mid twenty yards around a little bit, eat a
1:13:07
Speaker 1: little bit, PLoP back down. They were stand put there
1:13:10
Speaker 1: And if you weren't there, you could be forty fifty
1:13:13
Speaker 1: yards away and you were out of the game. Man.
1:13:14
Speaker 1: And those guys are all hunting, you know, probably there
1:13:17
Speaker 1: are normal spots or funnels or whatever, and they didn't
1:13:19
Speaker 1: miss the whole boat, you know. So so you're you're
1:13:23
Speaker 1: taking a little bit easier in the early season. But
1:13:26
Speaker 1: once you're getting some point oc told where you start
1:13:29
Speaker 1: pushing in those betting areas. I think I saw somewhere
1:13:31
Speaker 1: that well, isn't it kind of like when you can
1:13:34
Speaker 1: get aggressive is when that gets towards that that's a
1:13:38
Speaker 1: little pre rug when them, those are, you know, getting
1:13:41
Speaker 1: close to coming in and then there's competition. Um man,
1:13:45
Speaker 1: I had deer that would get done one of me
1:13:46
Speaker 1: and smell me and just beat the frick out of
1:13:48
Speaker 1: a tree that knew it was me after them, and
1:13:50
Speaker 1: just send them a sign like you know, you're in
1:13:52
Speaker 1: my house now, you know. And and I guess maybe
1:13:56
Speaker 1: a lot of guys aren't experienced that because you're not hunting.
1:13:58
Speaker 1: Maybe that caliber or that dominant deer in here, I don't,
1:14:02
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you're um if you're just
1:14:04
Speaker 1: sitting in the woods hoping at a bucket come by,
1:14:06
Speaker 1: I mean I would think they'd be pretty easy to
1:14:09
Speaker 1: capitalize on that, you know. Yeah, So so what about
1:14:13
Speaker 1: like you're doing this, you're aggressively pushing in there finding him.
1:14:17
Speaker 1: Do you ever is there ever situation where you say, oh,
1:14:19
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta back out of here and
1:14:21
Speaker 1: give it time, or no, it's time to give up
1:14:23
Speaker 1: on this deer or do you just search and search, pushing,
1:14:26
Speaker 1: push and push. I never give up on the deer. Um.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: And again, you know, with my mentality, I don't I'll
1:14:35
Speaker 1: bump a deer. I don't mind bumping a deer. I
1:14:37
Speaker 1: think I learned that too from a property I had
1:14:39
Speaker 1: that was so overrun with deer you could not get
1:14:43
Speaker 1: to your stand or walk anywhere without jumping deer. Um,
1:14:48
Speaker 1: go to your scouting spot, don't worry about everything else
1:14:51
Speaker 1: around you, concentrate on you know, the job at hand.
1:14:54
Speaker 1: Go after that deer and be concerned about that and
1:14:57
Speaker 1: not like everything else. Um. Now, obviously you don't want
1:15:01
Speaker 1: to be running through your entire property with a bike
1:15:03
Speaker 1: and blowing everything out everywhere and just getting um um
1:15:07
Speaker 1: everything chaotic. Then you know, then you got a bunch
1:15:09
Speaker 1: of eyes and ears. Uh so on the ambush, you know,
1:15:13
Speaker 1: the weigh in the way out. Once you pick your spot,
1:15:15
Speaker 1: get in there, hunted, and get out and you'll define.
1:15:19
Speaker 1: Just think about how many I said done another I
1:15:21
Speaker 1: think a little podcast about guys. Think of how many
1:15:23
Speaker 1: trees that dead deer goes by and on a daily
1:15:27
Speaker 1: basis that you could have a tree standing and and
1:15:30
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, you can't pick one of them.
1:15:31
Speaker 1: That all those woods out there, there's something freaking wrong. Um,
1:15:36
Speaker 1: you might be on the right tree, but the deer
1:15:39
Speaker 1: might be coming an hour after dark. About going by
1:15:41
Speaker 1: that one or um, you know what I mean, it's
1:15:44
Speaker 1: or maybe you fiddling around your stand freaking you know,
1:15:49
Speaker 1: texting or whatever the hell you're doing a deer spot,
1:15:51
Speaker 1: you know, glare your noise or um. I did do
1:15:56
Speaker 1: a check up on a buddy ones, but I put
1:15:57
Speaker 1: him in on a spot that was stole red hot.
1:15:58
Speaker 1: He just wanted to fill a dough teg and he
1:16:00
Speaker 1: he wasn't seeing a dear I should there's absolutely a layer.
1:16:03
Speaker 1: I said, There's no way you cannot see a deer
1:16:05
Speaker 1: in here. There's thunders of them. You're sitting on a
1:16:08
Speaker 1: freaking bait. Um. So I went and glass this guy
1:16:12
Speaker 1: from from a distance away. I'm like, get the standing up,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: turn around, looking around. I mean, look a freak are you?
1:16:18
Speaker 1: And then so I'm watching him. I'm doing that right
1:16:21
Speaker 1: then I'm watching way out in the march, a whole
1:16:23
Speaker 1: group of goose all standing there like me, watching him
1:16:26
Speaker 1: doing the same ship. And I'm like, son, I'm a
1:16:27
Speaker 1: bit this is this is a comical. Somebody should have
1:16:29
Speaker 1: this on video. You know, it's funny though, but I
1:16:33
Speaker 1: mean it's sad, but it's funny. So is that what's
1:16:36
Speaker 1: going on in the in the guy's woods. I don't know,
1:16:39
Speaker 1: but look at some of these other guys. Look at
1:16:41
Speaker 1: the talent that's out there now that I've learned, um,
1:16:46
Speaker 1: and I've seen these guys grow and man, they're killing
1:16:49
Speaker 1: freaking machines. Now they've they've all of a sudden that
1:16:52
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. What is that you
1:16:53
Speaker 1: asked me about? That aha moment when that lightbulb comes
1:16:56
Speaker 1: off that and I can't put my finger on it,
1:17:00
Speaker 1: but it's uh, um, Apparently the light bulb goes off
1:17:06
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys. And once they figure it
1:17:07
Speaker 1: out there, you know they're getting it done. And and
1:17:11
Speaker 1: here's another thing. So we got this new page two,
1:17:13
Speaker 1: and I'm really worried about what's great as all of
1:17:15
Speaker 1: these guys are opening up, the new guys coming up,
1:17:18
Speaker 1: and the last thing I want. I mean, it is
1:17:21
Speaker 1: intimidating to be around the guy shooting the calibrator. They're
1:17:24
Speaker 1: killing consistently. None of them guys started off killing Big Garrett.
1:17:29
Speaker 1: They were all freaking right where everybody is starting out today.
1:17:34
Speaker 1: And I would think that somebody and I know what
1:17:37
Speaker 1: I was talking that and shows and my generations, who
1:17:39
Speaker 1: I don't think we're that smart of a generation to
1:17:42
Speaker 1: tell your truth. And I always like gave a little
1:17:45
Speaker 1: stab at the next generation. They're kind of post season there,
1:17:47
Speaker 1: you know, but they're pretty educated, smart freaking kids, and
1:17:51
Speaker 1: that when I when I talked to that shows a
1:17:54
Speaker 1: lot of these guys had come and sense and they
1:17:56
Speaker 1: got it. And years ago I talked to guys the
1:17:58
Speaker 1: same way and they just wouldn't get it. So I
1:18:00
Speaker 1: think there's they got what it takes. Maybe they learned
1:18:03
Speaker 1: a little bit of tip pure and there, and then
1:18:05
Speaker 1: they perfect that, uh their style to their own. And
1:18:10
Speaker 1: they're saying, man, if somebody's you know, somebody's slaying big
1:18:14
Speaker 1: so um. You know, it's it's funny you you mentioned that,
1:18:18
Speaker 1: and and I was kind of thinking about this myself,
1:18:21
Speaker 1: trying to think about, you know, what I've seen and
1:18:24
Speaker 1: heard about you doing, and then what I've seen and
1:18:26
Speaker 1: heard about other guys doing that that have hunted with
1:18:28
Speaker 1: you or learned from you, and trying to figure out
1:18:31
Speaker 1: what's one of the what are the consistent things here?
1:18:33
Speaker 1: And one of the things I think maybe underlies everything
1:18:37
Speaker 1: is something you mentioned just a little while ago, which
1:18:39
Speaker 1: is getting rid of that feel of fear of failure.
1:18:43
Speaker 1: Once you get past that worry about Oh I'm unscrewed up,
1:18:46
Speaker 1: and you just start going for it. That seems to
1:18:49
Speaker 1: be something that you've got. And Justin Hollinsworth God, and
1:18:53
Speaker 1: Adam Hayes has got and whoever um that can more
1:18:59
Speaker 1: a more Mason cold type of hunter. He's a strategic,
1:19:04
Speaker 1: sit back and watch tool. He'll he'll do a little
1:19:06
Speaker 1: more observing. He's a he's a different type of guy.
1:19:09
Speaker 1: But don't don't get me wrong. When he sees he
1:19:11
Speaker 1: sees the opportunity, he gets right in there and gets
1:19:13
Speaker 1: it done. But um, so that's a different style. And
1:19:16
Speaker 1: Justin again, he's he's kind of been like right right
1:19:19
Speaker 1: to me. He's he he's as aggressive as he get
1:19:21
Speaker 1: now too. Um But yeah, everybody gets in that little
1:19:25
Speaker 1: um minds are a little niche and takes that. I'm
1:19:30
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that. The big thing though, what all
1:19:32
Speaker 1: of these guys got in in common. There's nobody anymore
1:19:36
Speaker 1: parks their ass in a stand for the entire season
1:19:40
Speaker 1: and just worries about over hunting it and not hunting it.
1:19:43
Speaker 1: These guys get their equipment and they go after it.
1:19:46
Speaker 1: And like I said, if if you've seen what I've seen,
1:19:50
Speaker 1: where you couldn't burn a white tail out of his
1:19:52
Speaker 1: habitat That's all you're doing is messing that thing up
1:19:54
Speaker 1: for day. And now you messed that spot up in
1:19:55
Speaker 1: that area. So back up a little bit. Um. You'll
1:19:58
Speaker 1: see a video that I had one one May that
1:20:00
Speaker 1: I I shot and actually hit a deer. Um. And
1:20:04
Speaker 1: because of the time of the year was I know
1:20:06
Speaker 1: he'd be coming through working in scrapes. Again, I changed
1:20:08
Speaker 1: my stand up literally not more than twenty five yards.
1:20:12
Speaker 1: That's some of us. Came through again, looked up in
1:20:13
Speaker 1: that stand nobody's there, came through again, and I just
1:20:15
Speaker 1: killed a bastard. Um, he does you know what I mean,
1:20:18
Speaker 1: He's gonna do what he's doing. I know what he's doing. Um,
1:20:21
Speaker 1: I'm not going away. Um. So yeah, I think uh
1:20:25
Speaker 1: the aggression. Like I said, I think my son's got
1:20:28
Speaker 1: that tim fold, he's he's got even a little more so.
1:20:32
Speaker 1: And some of these other guys that you said justin
1:20:33
Speaker 1: and through the just watch all these addiction shows watching
1:20:36
Speaker 1: some of these guys, do look at heath talk about
1:20:39
Speaker 1: a stealthy, freaking move, slipping in the back door man
1:20:42
Speaker 1: checking it out and setting up just that is what
1:20:45
Speaker 1: I call is surgically removed the white tail from the
1:20:47
Speaker 1: face of the earth man. It was all nothing left
1:20:50
Speaker 1: about it. Everything skill a hunter going with his tools
1:20:54
Speaker 1: and equipment and and and taking down a pretty impressive,
1:20:58
Speaker 1: pretty smart animals too. I would think, you know, yeah, yeah,
1:21:01
Speaker 1: that was a slick move when he put when I
1:21:03
Speaker 1: think you're talking about when he went in times when
1:21:06
Speaker 1: he thought that buck was going to leave his bed
1:21:07
Speaker 1: in the afternoon and then snuck in there behind him.
1:21:09
Speaker 1: That was that was impressive. Um. If we're talking about
1:21:13
Speaker 1: this aggressive stuff, though, we have to get into the
1:21:16
Speaker 1: details of what a lot of people think of as
1:21:19
Speaker 1: the most aggressive tactic, which you've I think popular eyes
1:21:23
Speaker 1: and people kind of look to you as the one
1:21:25
Speaker 1: who kind of first started doing this thing, which of
1:21:27
Speaker 1: course is the bumping dump. Um, you've talked about bumping
1:21:31
Speaker 1: a buck. We've talked about a couple different things that
1:21:33
Speaker 1: you're thinking about when you bump a buck. But tell
1:21:35
Speaker 1: me about the situation where you bump him and then
1:21:38
Speaker 1: you're saying, all right, now I'm gonna set up to
1:21:41
Speaker 1: to hunt him. How do you pull off the dump
1:21:44
Speaker 1: part after the bumping? Okay, So I don't think it
1:21:48
Speaker 1: sounds like an aggressive move, But to scout out an
1:21:51
Speaker 1: area and jump with your out his bed, I don't
1:21:54
Speaker 1: think that's a real really aggressive on that on that
1:21:58
Speaker 1: on anyhow, So I'll just put that out there. So, Um,
1:22:01
Speaker 1: that deer got bumped out of there. I almost think
1:22:04
Speaker 1: that I mentioned this before that it almost shows up
1:22:06
Speaker 1: that that deer got bumped, he got out of there
1:22:08
Speaker 1: without getting um, you know, hurt or taken, and he's
1:22:14
Speaker 1: it shows up that that that piece that he has
1:22:17
Speaker 1: figured out her bed works for him. So the deer
1:22:21
Speaker 1: feels better about that bed now because it just proved
1:22:23
Speaker 1: to him that the dude, the reason those deer are
1:22:26
Speaker 1: where they are is because you cannot get the one
1:22:29
Speaker 1: up them. And I'm not talking to you as a person.
1:22:31
Speaker 1: I'm talking about um. Perfect example. There's you can watch
1:22:35
Speaker 1: the firebuck should where dogs literally farm dogs all running
1:22:40
Speaker 1: deer all over there all the time. Ran that buck
1:22:42
Speaker 1: out of that bed and that's not a bit. Came
1:22:43
Speaker 1: right back to that same bed the next day to
1:22:46
Speaker 1: bed nett Okay, Um, if that was a person to
1:22:49
Speaker 1: be the same ship, you bumped me out of my bed,
1:22:51
Speaker 1: I got away, I'm coming back. This is a perfect
1:22:53
Speaker 1: spot for me. Who knows. Maybe those those dogs are
1:22:57
Speaker 1: chasing that deer for three days in a row, and
1:22:59
Speaker 1: he's and he's he sees them coming before they see
1:23:02
Speaker 1: where he's at. They dumped down a little bit low
1:23:04
Speaker 1: out of his sight. He bugs out of there, and
1:23:06
Speaker 1: then they chase the round some more. But it's a um.
1:23:09
Speaker 1: It's a great spot. It works for a deer, and
1:23:11
Speaker 1: I think that's why those big deer are there. Now
1:23:14
Speaker 1: Here's where it comes h There are beds that are
1:23:18
Speaker 1: good on knobs for all different wind directions where a
1:23:21
Speaker 1: deer can enter um and set up, and there are
1:23:25
Speaker 1: other spots that are only good for certain win directions.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna do a bump and do the
1:23:30
Speaker 1: dump the next morning, I like to pay attention if
1:23:33
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same wind for that. So if
1:23:35
Speaker 1: I'm scouting around, I jump a deer, I make a
1:23:36
Speaker 1: note that, Okay, it's the southwest wind today. If it's
1:23:40
Speaker 1: gonna be north west tomorrow or an east, I'm thinking
1:23:44
Speaker 1: maybe that there might not be on that spot. He
1:23:46
Speaker 1: might be on Spot B or something. You know. So UM,
1:23:50
Speaker 1: you can take an account that that deer preferred to
1:23:53
Speaker 1: UM bed certain areas in certain certain wind conditions and
1:23:57
Speaker 1: then you get in there, you've done your damage, right,
1:24:00
Speaker 1: get screwed up all you're here where it gets aggressive. Okay,
1:24:02
Speaker 1: the tuneing for a buck, I literally was in there.
1:24:05
Speaker 1: You talked about sent in an area, cut down, trimmed
1:24:08
Speaker 1: down trees for two hours to freaking set up this.
1:24:10
Speaker 1: You know, uh honey, locust blood from my freaking hands
1:24:14
Speaker 1: all over the tree and everything. UM. I don't know
1:24:18
Speaker 1: if I would have waited two days. If that they
1:24:19
Speaker 1: would have came in the next day and maybe you know,
1:24:21
Speaker 1: after getting up out of his bed then poking a
1:24:23
Speaker 1: little bit more would have sense some major ship going
1:24:26
Speaker 1: on and not coming back to that or um. But
1:24:29
Speaker 1: I was there the next morning from to grow right
1:24:31
Speaker 1: back in his bed and got it done, so I
1:24:34
Speaker 1: would like, I like to do that, get out of quick.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: And then once I learned that spot, dude, I got
1:24:38
Speaker 1: that stand already pre set, so you know, after a
1:24:42
Speaker 1: good rain or it's the wind directions right, oh man.
1:24:45
Speaker 1: It's it's so nice to be able to have a
1:24:46
Speaker 1: phenomenal spot for the morning to slide into and hunt
1:24:50
Speaker 1: instead of you know, a questionable um spot that you're
1:24:54
Speaker 1: heading in the morning. You know, because you know, I
1:24:55
Speaker 1: don't know if it's for you. But aren't morning spots
1:24:58
Speaker 1: the toughest ones for most hunters to find? For sure?
1:25:01
Speaker 1: A good morning spot definitely seems like it, and I
1:25:04
Speaker 1: would agree it's easy to get on the field. You
1:25:06
Speaker 1: can watch stuff coming out or when things get up
1:25:09
Speaker 1: and go to you know, through feeding, But um, the
1:25:12
Speaker 1: time of deer coming back or to get into that.
1:25:15
Speaker 1: A lot of times they'll be in there before you
1:25:17
Speaker 1: get in there, or you'll miss that boat. So how
1:25:21
Speaker 1: often is the bumping dump for you something you actually
1:25:25
Speaker 1: proactively go in there to do that. I know there's
1:25:28
Speaker 1: some one situation where you're scouting scouting scouting and you
1:25:31
Speaker 1: accidentally bump him and then you say, okay, I'm gonna
1:25:33
Speaker 1: make the best of the situation set up. But then
1:25:35
Speaker 1: the other is when you are thinking to yourself, all right,
1:25:39
Speaker 1: today I'm finding the dam buck. I'm gonna scout until
1:25:42
Speaker 1: I bump him, Like, is that a thing you do
1:25:44
Speaker 1: or is it usually the ladder? I'll do both of them.
1:25:48
Speaker 1: I'll do if if I don't know where that buck,
1:25:50
Speaker 1: is that better? Or if I'm scouting a new a
1:25:52
Speaker 1: lot of these deer that um, I didn't particularly going
1:25:55
Speaker 1: for that buck to bed that to bump the actual
1:25:59
Speaker 1: twenty for a buck. I was doing scouting to go
1:26:01
Speaker 1: hunt Frohm and jump him out of his bed to
1:26:03
Speaker 1: learn where he was actually at that. I think I
1:26:07
Speaker 1: don't know. For me, probably the most important piece of
1:26:10
Speaker 1: information of bulk hunter could have is um, knowing where
1:26:14
Speaker 1: dear beds, and then uh take into account. I don't know.
1:26:19
Speaker 1: People talked about the spokes on a wheel, Um, how
1:26:24
Speaker 1: close you can get to that to see if you've
1:26:26
Speaker 1: heard about the three days cycle, there on a three
1:26:28
Speaker 1: day cycle that you know, every third day, maybe I'll
1:26:31
Speaker 1: see that buck come through. I've heard some things like that.
1:26:35
Speaker 1: Is that something you've seen to be true? Well that
1:26:37
Speaker 1: was big years ago. Yeah, there there is. There's a
1:26:39
Speaker 1: three day cycle off the hubble that wheel, but there's
1:26:42
Speaker 1: a one day cycle if you're freaking in close enough
1:26:45
Speaker 1: and tight enough where he's betted, you're gonna see that
1:26:48
Speaker 1: dear just about every freaking day coming out of there,
1:26:50
Speaker 1: if you're off on that tangent. And today he decides
1:26:54
Speaker 1: to go run this side of the farm to look
1:26:56
Speaker 1: for some goals, and then tomorrow he runs off the
1:26:58
Speaker 1: total opposite side of the farm. Uh. Yeah, and it's
1:27:01
Speaker 1: three days before he gets back to that same one.
1:27:03
Speaker 1: You're sitting there, sitting there, sitting there, and all of
1:27:05
Speaker 1: a sudden, third day there he was again. There's a
1:27:07
Speaker 1: spot in there that's an everyday cycle. Um. That's where
1:27:11
Speaker 1: I'm kind of honing in on and trying to get
1:27:13
Speaker 1: closest to um. Dude, there's nothing more empowering about sitting
1:27:17
Speaker 1: in a tree stand and watching a slob just get
1:27:19
Speaker 1: right up out of his bed and uh and not
1:27:22
Speaker 1: even have a clue you're freaking there. It's it's uh, um,
1:27:26
Speaker 1: it's pretty phenomenal. And there's it's fun to watch them
1:27:30
Speaker 1: crawl back into their beds and see what they do
1:27:31
Speaker 1: it too. Um and a lot of guys doing that too.
1:27:33
Speaker 1: But all these bucks that crawl back into their beds
1:27:35
Speaker 1: and dead up in initially in the morning, they seem
1:27:39
Speaker 1: to be always you want to stick around a little
1:27:40
Speaker 1: longer because they always seem to get up and read
1:27:43
Speaker 1: situated or reposition a little bit um a little later too.
1:27:48
Speaker 1: So uh. And that's what I count out in that
1:27:50
Speaker 1: October is they're they're in there, They're in the bedding area.
1:27:53
Speaker 1: They're really not on a move. But they are up
1:27:55
Speaker 1: and doing a little bit of movement. You know, something
1:27:58
Speaker 1: could get them um clost enough. I don't know how
1:28:01
Speaker 1: many times I've climbed out of trees a huge buck
1:28:04
Speaker 1: better within fifty yards of me, and they even have
1:28:06
Speaker 1: a freaking clue. I was even there and just got
1:28:07
Speaker 1: the hell out, you know. So, so we gotta break
1:28:12
Speaker 1: down how you actually choose them the spot to set up,
1:28:14
Speaker 1: so you bump the buck out of there. You saw
1:28:16
Speaker 1: him run off, and let me take one step back.
1:28:19
Speaker 1: I'm assuming when you go into purposefully bump a deer
1:28:22
Speaker 1: that you're doing this with the wind in your face.
1:28:25
Speaker 1: So the wind's got tell me if I'm wrong? Is
1:28:27
Speaker 1: that true or not? So I really don't have because
1:28:30
Speaker 1: the train you can't keep I'm saying what you know,
1:28:32
Speaker 1: people talking about the way, dear move. You can't keep
1:28:36
Speaker 1: the women your face the whole time and get to it.
1:28:39
Speaker 1: You go through methodically. You gotta pay attention to most
1:28:41
Speaker 1: of us when we go scout, our eyes are pin
1:28:44
Speaker 1: to the ground looking for tracks, and you gotta get
1:28:49
Speaker 1: accustomed to being able to do a little of that.
1:28:52
Speaker 1: But you gotta you've gotta be looking up and getting
1:28:56
Speaker 1: a glimpse of that the worst thing in the world.
1:28:58
Speaker 1: I I hate it when I jump a deer and
1:29:00
Speaker 1: I don't get a glimpse of is rack. I mean,
1:29:01
Speaker 1: I hear big cage smashing through and I don't I
1:29:04
Speaker 1: don't know which one it was or if you know,
1:29:05
Speaker 1: I didn't get a good enough look at it. Um
1:29:08
Speaker 1: So you gotta custom yourself to it a little bit.
1:29:10
Speaker 1: But you're never gonna be able to just constantly do
1:29:12
Speaker 1: the old wind in the face and uh, just cover
1:29:15
Speaker 1: a lot of ground where you think that deer might
1:29:17
Speaker 1: be better. You're you're scouting, You're poking around. Now all
1:29:20
Speaker 1: of a sudden you bump them off a flat, right, Okay,
1:29:23
Speaker 1: it's a big flat there. He is better on that flat. Now,
1:29:26
Speaker 1: you just you got that bed. If he comes back
1:29:29
Speaker 1: to that bed, you gotta be able to shoot. I
1:29:33
Speaker 1: like to some of the people picked up the spot
1:29:35
Speaker 1: that they scout a little bit coming into that, like Cody.
1:29:39
Speaker 1: I want to be able to pick that spot, but
1:29:43
Speaker 1: still want to be able to hit that. The same
1:29:45
Speaker 1: with scrapes. You know, people set up down wint the scrapes.
1:29:48
Speaker 1: When I used to do that. I read the articles
1:29:50
Speaker 1: years ago or heard it, we're talking about it. I
1:29:52
Speaker 1: would sit down with the scrapes and I watched a
1:29:53
Speaker 1: buck coming from the totopos the way I worked with
1:29:55
Speaker 1: scrape and leave without me able to get in their
1:29:56
Speaker 1: own it. So I want to be able to shoot
1:30:00
Speaker 1: the scrape and I want to be able to shoot
1:30:01
Speaker 1: the bed. So, uh when direction you know, you know
1:30:05
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be. Next day, you're in there. Now
1:30:07
Speaker 1: he's out of there, you can set up your stand
1:30:09
Speaker 1: and you can slide in. Um, you can get in
1:30:13
Speaker 1: there the next morning and be and be set and
1:30:15
Speaker 1: be in for a good good night. So you're down
1:30:18
Speaker 1: wind of the bed there within shooting range of the bed. Well, no,
1:30:22
Speaker 1: not not not down when you want to be where
1:30:26
Speaker 1: that deer wherever he's coming in, can't smug. And now
1:30:28
Speaker 1: remember that deer is gonna most of the time you're
1:30:31
Speaker 1: gonna do like a jay hook into that bed. They're
1:30:33
Speaker 1: gonna look down around and then get that wind coming
1:30:36
Speaker 1: into your face. And if you're on the wrong side
1:30:38
Speaker 1: of that bed, even though you're down wind, um, he's
1:30:43
Speaker 1: gonna get you and he's gonna bug out. So you
1:30:45
Speaker 1: know you're taking the educated guests or you're gonna look
1:30:48
Speaker 1: at the sign and read it where you think he's
1:30:50
Speaker 1: gonna enter, and then you just strategically make sure that
1:30:53
Speaker 1: you just can't get your win. And the thing I
1:30:55
Speaker 1: love about mornings too. I know guys hate mornings, they
1:30:59
Speaker 1: hate getting them up with, and you're you got thermals
1:31:01
Speaker 1: all coming up. I just think it's such you've got
1:31:04
Speaker 1: worn out deer from running around all night, you know,
1:31:07
Speaker 1: Jason or whatever, I don't know. I think it's some
1:31:10
Speaker 1: of the best time to kill, killing really big deers
1:31:13
Speaker 1: on morning post, you know, getting back into their innet. October.
1:31:16
Speaker 1: So you talked about those thermals um and then also
1:31:20
Speaker 1: trying to get down wind of where a buck's gonna
1:31:22
Speaker 1: jay hook in there, and that all leads me to
1:31:24
Speaker 1: just trying to better understand your thoughts around setting up
1:31:29
Speaker 1: with wind. I know that you talk about trying to
1:31:31
Speaker 1: find these bulletproof sets. You you're not big man any
1:31:38
Speaker 1: direction anyway, that's it's uh. And I know the bulletproof
1:31:41
Speaker 1: because I'll have adult coyotes get down winto me and
1:31:44
Speaker 1: not even have a clue that I'm there. So you
1:31:46
Speaker 1: know something's going on with the draft of the wind,
1:31:49
Speaker 1: the way it's being taken out of there. Um, And
1:31:51
Speaker 1: they'll come from experience, and a lot of times the
1:31:55
Speaker 1: experience is what sucks is that first time in you're
1:31:58
Speaker 1: taking a gamble that you got this all figured out right,
1:32:02
Speaker 1: and you may sit that stand and the winds and
1:32:06
Speaker 1: the thermals might do some some goofy stuff that that
1:32:09
Speaker 1: you didn't anticipate, and then you all that time you
1:32:11
Speaker 1: took the stuff that stand all real nice, and it's
1:32:14
Speaker 1: in a wrong spot and now you gotta readjust it
1:32:16
Speaker 1: so and ain't like I did get this ship. You
1:32:20
Speaker 1: m right every time. But by doing that and learning that,
1:32:24
Speaker 1: I think I got a pretty good idea of I
1:32:25
Speaker 1: always think of it this way, if you want to
1:32:29
Speaker 1: think of where you'd want your scent to go more
1:32:31
Speaker 1: or less than um, where you'd love to be sitting
1:32:34
Speaker 1: and have that sent to goal and kind of think
1:32:35
Speaker 1: of it almost like you're banking, you know, pool game
1:32:37
Speaker 1: or something. Um, you're thinking a little deeper into them, Um,
1:32:42
Speaker 1: what could happen? Um? Because dude, you can be you
1:32:45
Speaker 1: can have to win right for you. And I've had
1:32:47
Speaker 1: deer in the big woods and big pines and all
1:32:51
Speaker 1: that literally win me from direction. You'd say there's absolutely
1:32:56
Speaker 1: no way in hell that deer got my sense and
1:32:59
Speaker 1: bugged out of there, and then all of a sudden,
1:33:01
Speaker 1: I always tell that story. One day I started snowing,
1:33:04
Speaker 1: and I watched the snow coming by me where I'm
1:33:06
Speaker 1: at the right way. Then I watched it hit the
1:33:09
Speaker 1: opening in the pines and go the other way, and
1:33:11
Speaker 1: all snows going up, you know, down that draw, and
1:33:13
Speaker 1: then another opening took the snow and went it did
1:33:17
Speaker 1: a big j hook right to where I did. With standing.
1:33:18
Speaker 1: I said, no, now, I now I figured out why
1:33:20
Speaker 1: that's done, But he did. He did send me. There's
1:33:23
Speaker 1: no way I could have known that or um back then. Anyhow,
1:33:26
Speaker 1: That's how I learned it. You know, I think about
1:33:28
Speaker 1: that stuff now, um, chryst, I think about my scent,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: the one thing off the tree I'm in getting on
1:33:33
Speaker 1: the right position that I would hit the tree and
1:33:35
Speaker 1: wrap around it to the left more than the right,
1:33:37
Speaker 1: just to throw that sent you know, a little different directions.
1:33:39
Speaker 1: So can you can you think of any example of
1:33:44
Speaker 1: some sets like this where you have you know, created
1:33:49
Speaker 1: or found a bulletproof set. Can you describe something that
1:33:51
Speaker 1: because I feel like this is one of those things
1:33:53
Speaker 1: that people hear about, but it's hard to country right. Uh.
1:33:58
Speaker 1: So you got some hill countries where you got uh,
1:34:01
Speaker 1: maybe you're on the top of knob. So I've had
1:34:03
Speaker 1: a lot of elk two in my past, so I've
1:34:04
Speaker 1: kind of learned um a lot of that from from
1:34:07
Speaker 1: hunting out. But so you got a wind direction coming
1:34:11
Speaker 1: that you're set up from a knob. Then you got
1:34:13
Speaker 1: a hill behind you that has thermals coming up. And
1:34:17
Speaker 1: as those thermals come up the hill, they're running into
1:34:20
Speaker 1: the wind direction coming across the top, and they create
1:34:24
Speaker 1: a chimney effect. And you have another hill to your
1:34:28
Speaker 1: left at the thermals are coming up, and you've got
1:34:30
Speaker 1: another one thing right, And all of a sudden, you
1:34:31
Speaker 1: got all this soft traft coming up, and you got
1:34:34
Speaker 1: one set blowing off and I can get deered down
1:34:37
Speaker 1: into me, the right of me, the left of me,
1:34:39
Speaker 1: and they just don't have a freaking clol. And here's
1:34:42
Speaker 1: the thing that's that's all the ship with sun control
1:34:44
Speaker 1: and all that is great to be good hygiene and
1:34:47
Speaker 1: all that, but there's nothing you can do to beat
1:34:50
Speaker 1: a white tails knows if he starts sniffing for you,
1:34:55
Speaker 1: he's gonna find you. So the only way to beat
1:34:58
Speaker 1: a big white tail's nose is that absolutely no sense
1:35:03
Speaker 1: coming off your body is getting to where he's at.
1:35:07
Speaker 1: And that's all got to do with the win direction
1:35:09
Speaker 1: of the terminal, doesn't have to do with your your
1:35:12
Speaker 1: suits and what you're washing with. Um. Yeah, you can
1:35:15
Speaker 1: get away with maybe a little bit more and a
1:35:17
Speaker 1: deer that's not as alarmed, there's accustomed to people or whatever.
1:35:21
Speaker 1: But if a deer is looking for you and wants
1:35:23
Speaker 1: to find you, if there's any amountitor that's got from
1:35:25
Speaker 1: you to that animal, he's gonna set smell you. But
1:35:28
Speaker 1: if there's no air or vapor from your body getting
1:35:31
Speaker 1: to him, there is no way in hell he's gonna
1:35:34
Speaker 1: bust you. Now, the only way is gonna bust you
1:35:37
Speaker 1: is if you're sitting there pissing your pants and the
1:35:39
Speaker 1: electricity is pouring off your body and you're so nervous.
1:35:41
Speaker 1: He's got that sixth sense. He actually senses you in
1:35:43
Speaker 1: that tree. Um, you know, nervousness or whatever it is,
1:35:48
Speaker 1: or you you know, you got your your eyes or
1:35:52
Speaker 1: your moving or whatever. So it's a it's a it's
1:35:54
Speaker 1: a it's a big game. I used to tell Cody
1:35:56
Speaker 1: learned learned to disappear, and it was and then he
1:35:59
Speaker 1: finally for that one vannage. So now I know what
1:36:01
Speaker 1: you mean about just disappearing. Just go away, man, Just
1:36:06
Speaker 1: there's nobody here, there's nothing happening. You find those spots,
1:36:09
Speaker 1: go they are They're very enjoyable to hunt, very empowering. Man.
1:36:13
Speaker 1: You you mentioned disappearing in the woods. I gotta ask
1:36:16
Speaker 1: about the eye thing I heard you have talked about.
1:36:19
Speaker 1: You think that deer can can see the white cere
1:36:22
Speaker 1: eyes are since you looking at them? Dude, I don't
1:36:25
Speaker 1: think anything. I know. A deer will look right down
1:36:27
Speaker 1: into your soul for your eyeballs, just like anybody else would. Um,
1:36:31
Speaker 1: you could look at me the wrong way across the
1:36:33
Speaker 1: bar boy, and you can say a lot of shifts
1:36:35
Speaker 1: to me through through a look. And so where I've
1:36:39
Speaker 1: learned um a lot on that is with filming with
1:36:43
Speaker 1: with binoculars, anything with a lens or. And I was
1:36:46
Speaker 1: I had coke bottles glasses when I started out, honey,
1:36:49
Speaker 1: and I would have to say that up for hunters
1:36:53
Speaker 1: is the biggest, um hindrance to the guys. If you
1:36:57
Speaker 1: wear glasses and you don't cover them up, So I
1:37:01
Speaker 1: took it a step further. Now I got rid of glasses.
1:37:03
Speaker 1: I had lastic surgery, but I still see them. Deer
1:37:08
Speaker 1: will look right and you can tell you And here
1:37:10
Speaker 1: here's how you can tell that they're looking at your eyes.
1:37:12
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do. You get a doll that
1:37:16
Speaker 1: looks right in your eyes, you just splint them eyes,
1:37:20
Speaker 1: close them and we can just barely see her and
1:37:22
Speaker 1: just watch her flicker Carroll and go about her freaking business.
1:37:26
Speaker 1: Danger gone, and saying, with your binoculars, do you see
1:37:28
Speaker 1: what I'm staring at? You just take them binoculars and
1:37:30
Speaker 1: slowly tilt them down like a forty five degree angle.
1:37:33
Speaker 1: As soon as them binoculars go away from that deer
1:37:36
Speaker 1: seeing them, they just flicked her channel and go about
1:37:38
Speaker 1: their business. Danger gone. Um. So it's the same with eyes,
1:37:42
Speaker 1: it's the same with camera lenses. It's the same with binoculars,
1:37:45
Speaker 1: um and dude. When I get my head net down
1:37:48
Speaker 1: and my eyes covered, I get some big ship coming
1:37:52
Speaker 1: in that just looks right on through me and they
1:37:54
Speaker 1: don't even know what the frick is going on up there.
1:37:55
Speaker 1: So that's something a lot of guys don't do that.
1:37:58
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who puts a set over where
1:38:00
Speaker 1: the head net you know what, Leave the head and
1:38:03
Speaker 1: net off and get two little rings that will go
1:38:05
Speaker 1: around your freaking eyes to cover your boot. It ain't
1:38:07
Speaker 1: your head you need to cover, it's your eyeballs. Yeah,
1:38:11
Speaker 1: I definitely. Oh, by the way, we got a head
1:38:13
Speaker 1: net coming out. Well, I've been always wanting to have one,
1:38:18
Speaker 1: but I don't know if. But uh, there's enough out
1:38:20
Speaker 1: there you can customize to make. I take the reader
1:38:22
Speaker 1: one so that you can see through and cut cut
1:38:25
Speaker 1: some on there. You'll try it sometimes. If you got
1:38:29
Speaker 1: deer that around you don't want to shoot, and you're
1:38:32
Speaker 1: waiting for a certain buck kick, just put the head
1:38:35
Speaker 1: net down and you can have it so you can
1:38:36
Speaker 1: simply and I can shoot through a head net. Um,
1:38:40
Speaker 1: if you're not comfortable for shooting one, just let everything
1:38:42
Speaker 1: go about. His business was near you, and then you
1:38:46
Speaker 1: can put the thing back up. If you're filming and
1:38:47
Speaker 1: glass and you're wanting to watch. But if you want
1:38:50
Speaker 1: something that's coming through that's not to get you, um,
1:38:53
Speaker 1: throw that thing down. I'll tell you man, you you
1:38:55
Speaker 1: will not get busted. And that you can wear a
1:38:58
Speaker 1: three piece suit up there on Okaming. As long as
1:39:01
Speaker 1: those eyes are covered, you'll be good. You'll be good
1:39:04
Speaker 1: to go. I'm gonna test that one this year. I
1:39:06
Speaker 1: like that. UM. Back to the wind thing. So something
1:39:11
Speaker 1: that I know a lot of people struggle with and
1:39:13
Speaker 1: I do too, is trying to figure out how to
1:39:17
Speaker 1: balance playing the wind so that you don't get winded,
1:39:21
Speaker 1: but then also trying to be in the spot where
1:39:24
Speaker 1: a buck thinks he's got the wind in his favor.
1:39:26
Speaker 1: And you always hear about hunting these like the wind,
1:39:29
Speaker 1: just cutting corners, trying to be just off the edge
1:39:31
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And can you describe exactly how
1:39:34
Speaker 1: you think through that? You just you just gave me
1:39:37
Speaker 1: a scenario that in a situation that a buck is coming,
1:39:42
Speaker 1: he'll be concerned about how that's good for him. Like
1:39:44
Speaker 1: I said, a deer does not. UM. There's ways that
1:39:48
Speaker 1: they travel through there was there's way that they prefer
1:39:52
Speaker 1: to come into a bad leave a bed where they
1:39:55
Speaker 1: get spooked or alarmed. They want to bust out and
1:39:57
Speaker 1: run into the wind for a little bit and then
1:39:59
Speaker 1: look back around. Um. A deer cannot move through its
1:40:04
Speaker 1: entire life and day with the wind perfect room. It's
1:40:07
Speaker 1: impossible to do. So what you do is you pick
1:40:10
Speaker 1: your spot, pick your ambush spot, and that ambush spot
1:40:14
Speaker 1: is the spot you got I'm gonna manipulate. So when
1:40:17
Speaker 1: that deer comes through there, you want to make sure
1:40:19
Speaker 1: that that I don't know, it might not even be
1:40:21
Speaker 1: good for that animal right there, but it's gonna it's
1:40:23
Speaker 1: gonna be. Um, it's gonna be good for you because
1:40:25
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the right you know, the right
1:40:28
Speaker 1: spot off it that he's not going to get your wind.
1:40:30
Speaker 1: And the other big thing is um, um, what was
1:40:32
Speaker 1: this thing about that the other day years ago? But
1:40:36
Speaker 1: deer would only trust this nose. It wouldn't even believe
1:40:40
Speaker 1: what I has seen unless it smells it along with it.
1:40:45
Speaker 1: I remember when that changed, when the volume of hunters
1:40:48
Speaker 1: and things. And I don't tell I don't. I don't
1:40:50
Speaker 1: know how a year and a half old buck that young.
1:40:53
Speaker 1: It's almost like it gets ingrained into genetics if those
1:40:56
Speaker 1: teach um teach her off spring from year to year
1:41:01
Speaker 1: what it is. But deer don't need the sent check anymore.
1:41:05
Speaker 1: They don't need to verify danger with their freaking os anymore.
1:41:08
Speaker 1: They've spotted your assid and they'll they'll be out of
1:41:10
Speaker 1: there or bug out. So you really got to be
1:41:13
Speaker 1: conscience on your setups with the vision and sent, but
1:41:17
Speaker 1: more importantly obviously sent because you can have the one
1:41:20
Speaker 1: up on the more they don't see you, and you're
1:41:22
Speaker 1: gonna see you what they're no. So um, same about
1:41:25
Speaker 1: a trail, you know, don't don't set up on the
1:41:27
Speaker 1: inside of a trail with the deer looking across the
1:41:32
Speaker 1: right the way you're going. You don't want to deer
1:41:33
Speaker 1: looking through your buddy, Believe me, I just want to
1:41:36
Speaker 1: You want him looking off somewhere and you've being off
1:41:37
Speaker 1: the side and not having it, you know, you even
1:41:40
Speaker 1: in his cone of vision. So throw that in along
1:41:43
Speaker 1: with your scent the right wind and you've you've been
1:41:47
Speaker 1: in an affordable tree stand. You set up and you
1:41:49
Speaker 1: manipulated that spot. That deer comes true, you're gonna get
1:41:51
Speaker 1: you know, you get your crack on them and maybe yeah,
1:41:57
Speaker 1: I hope. So you're you're not an advocate for any
1:42:02
Speaker 1: kind of scent control other than just play the wind
1:42:06
Speaker 1: right and I is that still true? No? So here's
1:42:10
Speaker 1: the thing. There's there's always room for sun control or
1:42:14
Speaker 1: sun control is gonna come in is maybe not a
1:42:20
Speaker 1: molested deer. Maybe it's a borderline. They're just getting a
1:42:24
Speaker 1: little hint of um. And if you know do it,
1:42:28
Speaker 1: there's always a good argument for I'm only need freakxt
1:42:31
Speaker 1: that takes a shower too three times a day. So
1:42:33
Speaker 1: but what's funny? You know what I you know my
1:42:36
Speaker 1: scent control. I use a dial stope, which they say
1:42:40
Speaker 1: if you want to keep deer out of your garden,
1:42:41
Speaker 1: to put shavings of that ship out there. I use
1:42:44
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff in my clothing that they say,
1:42:46
Speaker 1: you know, is the worst thing you can use on
1:42:47
Speaker 1: it um. But I think what you want is antibacterial.
1:42:52
Speaker 1: You know, sweat don't smell until it hits bacteria and
1:42:54
Speaker 1: then heats created. Keeping you're sent control to a minimum
1:43:00
Speaker 1: is always going to be good. But what I'm saying
1:43:03
Speaker 1: is there's no freaking way if you think that you
1:43:05
Speaker 1: can be completely sent free where a food take showers
1:43:10
Speaker 1: in this and you think you're gonna be the deer's
1:43:12
Speaker 1: nose and you don't have guys at all. This deer
1:43:14
Speaker 1: came in down good, So what so deer came in
1:43:16
Speaker 1: down with you? I'm looking for the sun of a bitch.
1:43:19
Speaker 1: I watched you know, wind you from freaking treating ours
1:43:21
Speaker 1: way and never even get to where you even seen it.
1:43:24
Speaker 1: And there's dozens of deer that do that. Um, And
1:43:27
Speaker 1: if you pay attention, you'll you'll see that. So you
1:43:30
Speaker 1: still want good, good thing. But like I said, the
1:43:32
Speaker 1: only way to make sure deer has not sent you
1:43:36
Speaker 1: is that any vapor coming off your body cannot reach
1:43:41
Speaker 1: the area is at And there's only one way to
1:43:43
Speaker 1: do that is what some thermals, some vacuums, some wind
1:43:46
Speaker 1: direction because you know senil literally to drop the bottom
1:43:49
Speaker 1: of your tree and literally spill out against the wind somewhat. Um.
1:43:54
Speaker 1: So I've seen that too on my older winds. But
1:43:57
Speaker 1: start thinking about that. UM. I could tell you a
1:44:01
Speaker 1: little story out of Hunter too that I taught that
1:44:03
Speaker 1: lesson to and started coming big deer every year. Um,
1:44:08
Speaker 1: you're still there because I got something ringing on my
1:44:10
Speaker 1: phone here. Okay, that's just somebody uh coming so UM
1:44:16
Speaker 1: A friend of mine years ago, Todd fritzink Uh. You
1:44:19
Speaker 1: probably know him in the industry. He ended up becoming
1:44:22
Speaker 1: a very good season hunter uh and ended up with
1:44:26
Speaker 1: a tragedy. But when he was just green behind the
1:44:29
Speaker 1: ears and came to the Illinois was a big fan
1:44:32
Speaker 1: alone wolf. Um, he had it. I'm not gonna mention
1:44:37
Speaker 1: the suit. Everybody's gonna know what the suit is. And
1:44:38
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the suits uh don't work. But he
1:44:41
Speaker 1: had it in his head that he could put a
1:44:43
Speaker 1: magic suit on and be completely sent free. And even
1:44:47
Speaker 1: though he thought he was trying to play the wind
1:44:50
Speaker 1: um subconsciously. You think you got the shield of armor
1:44:55
Speaker 1: and you don't have a shield of armor. And I
1:44:57
Speaker 1: told him, how you got to start thinking about this
1:44:59
Speaker 1: whole deal. Uh, Now you've gotta suit you never washed before,
1:45:02
Speaker 1: that's probably contaminated. Uh you're thinking you can get away
1:45:05
Speaker 1: with this and get away with that. Why don't you
1:45:07
Speaker 1: just go in through the season thinking you can't get
1:45:09
Speaker 1: away with nothing, and go at it with such a
1:45:13
Speaker 1: fricking animal vengeance of wind direction, thermals and just you
1:45:17
Speaker 1: know where you step before you set your stand. Uh.
1:45:20
Speaker 1: That season he killed his first buck there on one
1:45:22
Speaker 1: of our releases, and uh because it was nothing but net.
1:45:25
Speaker 1: Ever since after that, he finally just got that part
1:45:29
Speaker 1: of it um and then you know, honed his skills
1:45:33
Speaker 1: as and and whatever style he ended up working for
1:45:37
Speaker 1: him when we'll started working for him. So, and it's
1:45:39
Speaker 1: like anybody you know so, And I'm not gonna go
1:45:41
Speaker 1: and say a guy that if you need that badge
1:45:45
Speaker 1: or that shield, and that's what gives you the confidence,
1:45:49
Speaker 1: and then you play the wind to a t, go
1:45:53
Speaker 1: for it. I'll give you a here here. It's a
1:45:55
Speaker 1: real good story for yourself. When I first started out
1:45:58
Speaker 1: years ago, sunk was the cover sense of the time.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: And then it turned into every thought, well, we were smart,
1:46:07
Speaker 1: and you don't use sunk because stunk sprays. It's alarms,
1:46:10
Speaker 1: and alarms are deer or whatever. So then it got
1:46:12
Speaker 1: to be um uh con piss, and it was it
1:46:15
Speaker 1: was ars arse. That was my badge. Man, I get
1:46:18
Speaker 1: that shift on and I'd be freaking invincible. One year,
1:46:23
Speaker 1: Um the industry went short. Nobody had it anywhere. I
1:46:26
Speaker 1: couldn't find shut kills what I used to use. I
1:46:29
Speaker 1: ran over at every store, ran across Tom and I
1:46:31
Speaker 1: was in. I was in a panic, Dude, the season's
1:46:34
Speaker 1: coming and I got no earth sent right, So I
1:46:38
Speaker 1: went that season with no cover scent. I've seen more
1:46:42
Speaker 1: and bigger deer than I ever seen in my entire
1:46:45
Speaker 1: freaking life. And I've never used the cover sent since
1:46:49
Speaker 1: and it's been nothing but um good time. So take
1:46:53
Speaker 1: that into an account that um, you know what I mean,
1:46:57
Speaker 1: you can get a false sense of security. That's so
1:47:01
Speaker 1: it might be hurting me man. Um, yeah, it seems
1:47:04
Speaker 1: to be like as as long as you don't use
1:47:06
Speaker 1: those things as a crutch, right, don't get don't get
1:47:09
Speaker 1: false confidence that uses a crutch. Always always play it
1:47:13
Speaker 1: and then all those little things might be a little
1:47:15
Speaker 1: bit bonus on top, but never short change the original. Yeah,
1:47:20
Speaker 1: and I still don't think you know, your average guy
1:47:22
Speaker 1: is gonna get. Um, do not realize how good at
1:47:26
Speaker 1: that the animal senses. When I watched the black bear
1:47:29
Speaker 1: getting run by some dogs in a hurricane, when I
1:47:32
Speaker 1: was in a tree stand and that thing must have
1:47:34
Speaker 1: been thirty and my wind was blowing right down the
1:47:37
Speaker 1: log and road, uh at probably twenty miles that bear
1:47:42
Speaker 1: hit that freaking logging road and a set of guy
1:47:44
Speaker 1: look like it hit a brick wall and turned on
1:47:46
Speaker 1: a dime, caught my scent like like that, not even
1:47:51
Speaker 1: a question that it was you know, a hint or
1:47:54
Speaker 1: whatever it is. It was that scent blowing there constantly hard. Uh.
1:47:58
Speaker 1: I think that the animals to see and that's gonna
1:48:01
Speaker 1: be hard to beat anything that can smell like that
1:48:04
Speaker 1: unless he just does not get us a whiffery at all.
1:48:07
Speaker 1: So if you can, if you can think that or
1:48:09
Speaker 1: picture that in your mind, even be able to um
1:48:12
Speaker 1: um picture that. I think you know, you might come
1:48:15
Speaker 1: in a little bit different way and then you don't
1:48:17
Speaker 1: want to get to it the other Here's another story
1:48:20
Speaker 1: I can say that was funny as hell. A guy
1:48:21
Speaker 1: that I was in Camp liss Um, I was hunting
1:48:25
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and he got up on a hunt two hours
1:48:29
Speaker 1: before anybody had to get out of bed to go hunt.
1:48:32
Speaker 1: And the son of a bitch had compulsion and was
1:48:35
Speaker 1: taking a shower and ship in bags and I'm like,
1:48:39
Speaker 1: I could use the street and I'm like, what the
1:48:41
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? You know, as the man, it's
1:48:43
Speaker 1: like this. When I got up, was time to get ready,
1:48:45
Speaker 1: and that I says, you must that ship must really
1:48:48
Speaker 1: really work for you if you're so you know, you're
1:48:50
Speaker 1: so animate about it um, And he told me, I, yeah,
1:48:54
Speaker 1: I used it all the time and I haven't seen
1:48:56
Speaker 1: it here yet. And he was hunting the whole season
1:48:57
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. I said that's a possible. It is literally
1:49:00
Speaker 1: impossible to have not seen a freaking deer hunting in
1:49:05
Speaker 1: the woods an amount of times he was out there,
1:49:07
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I just gave him a little
1:49:09
Speaker 1: bit of advice, So maybe you should uh forget about
1:49:12
Speaker 1: all that, get yourself a couple of extra you know,
1:49:14
Speaker 1: season gead out and start playing that wind a little
1:49:18
Speaker 1: bit more instead of that crutch. So um, and I've
1:49:20
Speaker 1: seen that time and time again, and it's just, um,
1:49:25
Speaker 1: it just stays so. And here's here's the thing that's
1:49:27
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound eric or anything when you
1:49:30
Speaker 1: ask me to about you think that they're seeing your eyes. Dude,
1:49:32
Speaker 1: I don't think nothing. Everything I tell you. I freaking
1:49:36
Speaker 1: know for a fact, I don't give a ship when
1:49:38
Speaker 1: any engineers say or what books there or whatever the
1:49:41
Speaker 1: hell that sho it is. If I'm telling you man,
1:49:43
Speaker 1: it's it's it's freaking golden because I've I've experienced it
1:49:46
Speaker 1: numerous numerous times. And um, and not to say that
1:49:49
Speaker 1: there's some weird ship that can happen. I've had deer
1:49:53
Speaker 1: come down one to me that I know becau's an
1:49:54
Speaker 1: away two and and it just it was a time
1:49:56
Speaker 1: of year that the deer just didn't give a ship.
1:49:59
Speaker 1: And I have other times you couldn't get anywhere near
1:50:02
Speaker 1: that damn deer. You you just bug out. So winning rome.
1:50:05
Speaker 1: You know the time of year, change up your your tactics,
1:50:08
Speaker 1: get more aggressive as it gets closer rut and enduring
1:50:10
Speaker 1: the ruck do you can get you want to do
1:50:13
Speaker 1: a bumping dump if you ain't seeing deer. You know
1:50:15
Speaker 1: the lockdown period. When there's a four day period you
1:50:17
Speaker 1: don't see a freaking deer, you wonder where all your
1:50:18
Speaker 1: bucks went. Get your ass down and go walk every
1:50:23
Speaker 1: ounce of that freaking property until you run into a
1:50:25
Speaker 1: bunch of bucks looking at you and a bunch of
1:50:28
Speaker 1: deer that ain't even running off, and just set of
1:50:30
Speaker 1: stand up and hang onto your freaking half brother, because
1:50:35
Speaker 1: you are in the game. There's a done heating there.
1:50:37
Speaker 1: It's got every buck on it right then and there.
1:50:40
Speaker 1: And if you're in the same little draw or the
1:50:42
Speaker 1: same one lot, you're gonna have the time of your life.
1:50:45
Speaker 1: And if your two draws over, you're gonna have three
1:50:48
Speaker 1: days before you see any bucks at all moving around again,
1:50:50
Speaker 1: because they're on one spot. So I've heard you say
1:50:53
Speaker 1: that you hate the rut, but there are certain situations
1:50:56
Speaker 1: like that. I guess where you can you can enjoy that, right, Well,
1:51:00
Speaker 1: that's why I hate the rut. That's the kind of
1:51:02
Speaker 1: ship you gotta do. Is too so this year and
1:51:04
Speaker 1: this property here, when that rut hits, all of a sudden,
1:51:08
Speaker 1: on here cameras, you'll start getting pictures of all kinds
1:51:10
Speaker 1: of small bucks, uh, smaller class deer, and literally every
1:51:16
Speaker 1: freaking buck is gone for weeks, which is amazing. You
1:51:20
Speaker 1: think they'd stick around and and they got the ones
1:51:23
Speaker 1: that came into the heat here earlier, got and there,
1:51:25
Speaker 1: and they're literally freaking gone. And you'll be just spinning
1:51:28
Speaker 1: your wheel for a couple um the week's hunting here,
1:51:32
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, after the rut the late season,
1:51:34
Speaker 1: I'll see these things just coming in from across just
1:51:36
Speaker 1: vast open drop realms. There he is heading back to home,
1:51:41
Speaker 1: done chasing ship around for you know, three miles this way,
1:51:44
Speaker 1: three miles that way or so. That's why if you're
1:51:48
Speaker 1: looking for that deer, and I don't get me wrong,
1:51:51
Speaker 1: there's a ship thoad other bucks that will be traveling
1:51:53
Speaker 1: through here, and all these smaller ones running all over hell,
1:51:55
Speaker 1: you could kill, but the one I'm looking for, he's
1:51:59
Speaker 1: he is gone. I ain't got a prayer in the
1:52:01
Speaker 1: world of killing him because he's you know, held up
1:52:04
Speaker 1: with it. Go and heat two miles on a woodlot somewhere. Um,
1:52:08
Speaker 1: you're not coming back home tonight. Let's put it that way,
1:52:10
Speaker 1: you know. So, So in that kind of situation, is
1:52:14
Speaker 1: is your go to you know, aggressive move literally doing
1:52:18
Speaker 1: what you just said, Like in that situation, you will
1:52:20
Speaker 1: walk him down to find a bunch and well, now
1:52:23
Speaker 1: here so we got again cameras. This is the property
1:52:26
Speaker 1: that I know. Inside now this property here, there will
1:52:29
Speaker 1: be a short window during the rock when other you
1:52:32
Speaker 1: are doing just what my dear are doing. And I
1:52:37
Speaker 1: don't get it to the lay of the land. Here
1:52:38
Speaker 1: we've got the only cover in it's all big open stuff.
1:52:41
Speaker 1: But there'll be a spot I have in a wood
1:52:44
Speaker 1: lot that every year we'll get one nonresident deer that
1:52:48
Speaker 1: we've never had a picture of or any experience with it.
1:52:52
Speaker 1: Just it just seems like one maybe two. Um, that's huge.
1:52:57
Speaker 1: And I remember one year, Um it was coming at
1:53:01
Speaker 1: that time, and I knew where I needed to be.
1:53:02
Speaker 1: I needed to be in that stand the at that time,
1:53:07
Speaker 1: and my son beat me to that stand at that
1:53:10
Speaker 1: time and he had a flammer come through that he uh,
1:53:14
Speaker 1: he kind of messed up on but there. So I
1:53:16
Speaker 1: was talking about kind of knowing in advance where you
1:53:19
Speaker 1: need to be. That was my one hope from shooting
1:53:23
Speaker 1: a big deer that during the next three weeks on
1:53:26
Speaker 1: this property and that was it. I needed to be
1:53:28
Speaker 1: there and I wasn't there, So now I had to
1:53:29
Speaker 1: wait for late season, and then a bunch of the
1:53:31
Speaker 1: other deer moved back in and it was you know,
1:53:34
Speaker 1: you can go after whatever you wanted to then the
1:53:36
Speaker 1: there back. So um. It could be a different scenario
1:53:39
Speaker 1: in areas, whether it's just you know, like Dollar in Illinois,
1:53:43
Speaker 1: were along the river there, they'll get bucks coming in
1:53:45
Speaker 1: and they're just traveling, um from miles and miles away.
1:53:48
Speaker 1: During the ruck. You know, I went here looking for them.
1:53:50
Speaker 1: Everything is bright, looking for some stragglers or um. But
1:53:54
Speaker 1: if you're not looking for specific deer, man, get down
1:53:56
Speaker 1: and go find a don't heat and get them the
1:53:59
Speaker 1: whole game. We had one here your two year a deer.
1:54:02
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, and that probably
1:54:03
Speaker 1: a lot of guys don't want her. Deer gets injured
1:54:05
Speaker 1: a doll she's got a bone broke or an injury,
1:54:08
Speaker 1: they put off a stink where they smell literally that
1:54:10
Speaker 1: could do and heat. So one year we had an
1:54:14
Speaker 1: injured doll up in a draw here and I was
1:54:16
Speaker 1: on it on the side of my property, and every
1:54:19
Speaker 1: buck on the property was following that doll in and
1:54:22
Speaker 1: out of that draw. Every night. There was like thirteen
1:54:24
Speaker 1: bucks on her and Cody was on the other side.
1:54:26
Speaker 1: I said, do it. You can hunt all you want
1:54:28
Speaker 1: over there. I said, everything on this property is over
1:54:31
Speaker 1: here right now. Um. And they would follow around thinking that,
1:54:34
Speaker 1: you know, in four days or Somethingy're gonna get lucky
1:54:36
Speaker 1: or whatever hell doing. And she wasn't going to heat.
1:54:38
Speaker 1: She was just kind of thing from being injured. But
1:54:40
Speaker 1: the same with the doll that's going to heat. You
1:54:43
Speaker 1: can have your entire group of deer all living in
1:54:47
Speaker 1: one little small spot for a while on your property,
1:54:50
Speaker 1: and you know you're sitting, you know, half a mile
1:54:53
Speaker 1: away in another spot where it ain't happening. If you
1:54:56
Speaker 1: could sit there all day long, you're not getting no action. Brother. Yeah,
1:55:01
Speaker 1: the rut it is the highest of high as the
1:55:03
Speaker 1: lowest of lows. You either got it or you're down. Yeah,
1:55:07
Speaker 1: but here's the deal with this ruck. Good, here's what
1:55:08
Speaker 1: I'm like. But you know, the spots will have been
1:55:10
Speaker 1: one year in Milwaukee was on Wisconsin Avenue next to
1:55:14
Speaker 1: the bus stop. If you would have been in a
1:55:16
Speaker 1: telephone bowl hunting there, you just shot of open young
1:55:18
Speaker 1: that year he came through freaking that. I mean, that's
1:55:22
Speaker 1: the kind of ship you're dealing with. The rut. So
1:55:24
Speaker 1: that's when if you if it's but don't get me wrong,
1:55:27
Speaker 1: there's run hunters, and you can be you can capitalize
1:55:29
Speaker 1: on some pretty huge bucks in that rut because they're
1:55:32
Speaker 1: coming in from my deer are running around like that
1:55:35
Speaker 1: on somebody else's property. So the guy that sit in
1:55:38
Speaker 1: the right spot on the right day is going to
1:55:41
Speaker 1: get that crack at that deer where a little bit
1:55:43
Speaker 1: later when it gets the late season, he ain't never
1:55:44
Speaker 1: seen it again because it's coming back here in winter.
1:55:46
Speaker 1: And so, um, I just don't like hunting a deer
1:55:50
Speaker 1: that I've never I don't have a personal deal with that.
1:55:53
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, dude. You know a hundred nine
1:55:54
Speaker 1: years buck comes by under stee before he's getting a
1:55:56
Speaker 1: freaking arrow on it to actually. Um, But when I'm
1:56:00
Speaker 1: hunting the specific one i'm wanting, I'm not out just
1:56:04
Speaker 1: for a a rut buck or something personal, kill you
1:56:07
Speaker 1: know whatever, Keller. But most guys don't give a shot.
1:56:10
Speaker 1: They want to they want to kill Jesus during the ruck.
1:56:14
Speaker 1: If if a deer's on your property, it's funny because
1:56:18
Speaker 1: we'll have cameras out in a lot of spots, and um,
1:56:20
Speaker 1: a buck. I was after ones. Uh, the moon face
1:56:24
Speaker 1: said late, so when the deer were moving later, So
1:56:26
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I'm not in all days sitter,
1:56:29
Speaker 1: so I can't. So I'm gonna go out a little
1:56:30
Speaker 1: bit later, and then I'm gonna go sit through the
1:56:33
Speaker 1: midday when the action was happening. The damn morning that
1:56:36
Speaker 1: I freaking slept in, this monster was through my yard
1:56:39
Speaker 1: chasing a frickin door over hell, when I'm sitting here
1:56:41
Speaker 1: in breakfast, I shouldn't understand. And when I went and
1:56:44
Speaker 1: checked cameras, I could have been in four different freaking stands.
1:56:47
Speaker 1: I could have picked that morning and killed that buck
1:56:48
Speaker 1: on anyone of them. And where the hell was I, uh,
1:56:52
Speaker 1: you know, like an idiot? Uh, sipping a cup of
1:56:56
Speaker 1: coffee waiting for I was gonna go in a little later.
1:56:58
Speaker 1: So I made a bad decision on that one. But
1:57:00
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that happens, and UM, you
1:57:05
Speaker 1: gotta go with it, man. Yeah, you just don't know. Man. Um,
1:57:09
Speaker 1: I feel well, I don't feel I literally have like
1:57:12
Speaker 1: thirty more topics that I think we did another part.
1:57:16
Speaker 1: I think we need another podcast. Brother, I know if
1:57:18
Speaker 1: you're if you're up for it, I think we should
1:57:22
Speaker 1: do it because I feel like we barely scratch the
1:57:23
Speaker 1: surface on some of this stuff. Um, but we're coming
1:57:26
Speaker 1: up on too. I get. I get no more bigger thrill.
1:57:30
Speaker 1: Then the guy that walks up to me in a
1:57:32
Speaker 1: shoal that's been hunting two years listen to some stuff
1:57:35
Speaker 1: we said, I took it the heart, tried it and
1:57:38
Speaker 1: went and shot to two giant bucks that year. Um,
1:57:41
Speaker 1: in ways that most average guys that think you're freaking
1:57:44
Speaker 1: knots that can't be done. Um and seeing seeing these
1:57:48
Speaker 1: guys get set off on the right foot. The worst
1:57:51
Speaker 1: thing that aggravates me the worst is to see people
1:57:55
Speaker 1: getting some false information or some gimmicky stuff and they
1:57:58
Speaker 1: get set off. The kids just destined for failure. Uh
1:58:03
Speaker 1: and I think that's just criminal to see that so
1:58:05
Speaker 1: um and what's really rewarding to me as all these
1:58:09
Speaker 1: guys have become friends all these years to see what
1:58:14
Speaker 1: the talent go from. You know, you know you're old
1:58:16
Speaker 1: when you you watched the guy growing his career twenty
1:58:19
Speaker 1: years um go from some pretty inexperienced guys to just um,
1:58:25
Speaker 1: some pretty stealthy, pretty um, pretty educative guys. Man. These
1:58:29
Speaker 1: guys are like I said, they're they're knocking some and
1:58:31
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a lot of big stuff to
1:58:33
Speaker 1: be knocking down these days too. I think years ago
1:58:36
Speaker 1: there wasn't so um. You know, you've got the right tools,
1:58:42
Speaker 1: You've got a little bit of right information and location, location,
1:58:45
Speaker 1: location brothers. So I know, and I feel sorry for
1:58:48
Speaker 1: some of the guys that are I cut my uh
1:58:50
Speaker 1: um my teeth on a lot of spots where you know,
1:58:53
Speaker 1: they don't have spot to hunt. They're hunting these high
1:58:56
Speaker 1: pressured areas with a lot of hunters. I learned to
1:58:59
Speaker 1: be a good hunter by hunting that type of scenario
1:59:02
Speaker 1: with ten acres with ten guys hunting it. Um. And
1:59:08
Speaker 1: you know, when you can come out of there and
1:59:10
Speaker 1: see three or four bucks in the night, end up
1:59:13
Speaker 1: under like your stand stage in Spern, and everybody else
1:59:16
Speaker 1: comes out and hasn't seen a deer in the night.
1:59:19
Speaker 1: It's kind of a pretty good feeling. That's you. You know,
1:59:20
Speaker 1: you're kind of figuring some stuff out. And um, and
1:59:25
Speaker 1: I said, it's empowering mental to learn it and just
1:59:27
Speaker 1: keep soaking it in and can you figure it out
1:59:30
Speaker 1: in the test situations and then you can do it anywhere? Yeah,
1:59:33
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's so, if you've seen that
1:59:37
Speaker 1: as much as I did, you you probably learned. Unless
1:59:40
Speaker 1: you're you can get hit in the head a couple
1:59:43
Speaker 1: of times and somebody walked up your popped in ahead
1:59:46
Speaker 1: a few times. You want to take note, he's probably
1:59:47
Speaker 1: gonna do it again. So but it just don't. And again,
1:59:51
Speaker 1: my mind works different. I take it in and I
1:59:55
Speaker 1: and I think about it always. I think about christ
1:59:56
Speaker 1: I think about tracks that I cut forty years of
2:00:00
Speaker 1: believe or not. Why are they pop into my head
2:00:01
Speaker 1: or a scenario. It's just it's it's ugly. Um. I'd
2:00:06
Speaker 1: like to be able to turn it off at one
2:00:07
Speaker 1: point here and just take a rest, But well, I'm
2:00:12
Speaker 1: not on my DNA. Yeah, well, we're gonna have to
2:00:15
Speaker 1: keep prying into this stuff and do some more investigating
2:00:19
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Because I think everyone's here in
2:00:21
Speaker 1: this right now has been learning a lot, and uh,
2:00:24
Speaker 1: it's helpful stuff. I want to I was just gonna say,
2:00:27
Speaker 1: I want to ask a few more, just a couple
2:00:30
Speaker 1: more quick questions because we're gonna kind of pivot and
2:00:32
Speaker 1: then wrap it up. UM, since we've taken a lot
2:00:36
Speaker 1: of your time here today, But what were you about
2:00:39
Speaker 1: to say before I jumped in? I lost my train
2:00:42
Speaker 1: of thought. I was gonna say something about the about
2:00:45
Speaker 1: like I said, the caliber guys out now that the
2:00:48
Speaker 1: kids in the amount of knowledge that we have with
2:00:52
Speaker 1: you know, with more about the weather and all. I
2:00:55
Speaker 1: think you have a you know, there's an old school
2:00:58
Speaker 1: guy that's alter that you know, it's a good hunter
2:01:00
Speaker 1: and keep getting it done it. I think these guys
2:01:02
Speaker 1: can can be educated and learning. I never thought that.
2:01:06
Speaker 1: I thought you were either born with um you know,
2:01:08
Speaker 1: the talent to be a good athlete or a good hunter,
2:01:10
Speaker 1: and it's something that you had. But I don't believe anymore.
2:01:13
Speaker 1: I believe that you can you can learn, and you
2:01:16
Speaker 1: can UM you can apply it right. You know I
2:01:20
Speaker 1: never could because, like I said, I just said, I
2:01:22
Speaker 1: messed up the mindor way I thought, so I had
2:01:25
Speaker 1: to learn it all my own. No, it certainly seems
2:01:28
Speaker 1: to have worked for you. Um, okay, last couple of
2:01:32
Speaker 1: questions real quick. This one is kind of hypothetical scenario
2:01:37
Speaker 1: that I've been asking a lot of people about lately,
2:01:39
Speaker 1: and I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. Let's
2:01:41
Speaker 1: say that I have control of the world and I'm
2:01:45
Speaker 1: going to take away your ability to hunt for the
2:01:47
Speaker 1: next ten years. I can't hunt for the next ten
2:01:49
Speaker 1: years unless you kill your target buck this year, and
2:01:55
Speaker 1: you've got only one day to do it, and you
2:01:59
Speaker 1: only get to pick one spot to kill him. If
2:02:02
Speaker 1: you had to guess right now, what's the day you're
2:02:05
Speaker 1: gonna pick that's gonna give your very best chances, And
2:02:07
Speaker 1: describe to me what you think that exact spot would
2:02:10
Speaker 1: be for this very high stakes hunts. I'm gonna tell
2:02:13
Speaker 1: you right now, I lost this game because I am
2:02:17
Speaker 1: not good enough to go in and pick the right
2:02:20
Speaker 1: day in the right time. On one, I have to
2:02:22
Speaker 1: have a process of hunting seeing developing. That would be
2:02:26
Speaker 1: like I'll tell you how I take my pick. I'll
2:02:29
Speaker 1: take a wheel with the days and throw the freaking
2:02:32
Speaker 1: roulette wheel, and I would take a dark and I
2:02:34
Speaker 1: will throw it out my property map, and I will
2:02:38
Speaker 1: give you that because that is exactly what you're asking
2:02:41
Speaker 1: me to predict. There is no freaking way on earth
2:02:46
Speaker 1: that you can figure that out. Now, that one in Wisconsin.
2:02:50
Speaker 1: That was a pretty good educated type of thing there.
2:02:53
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, man, it's that's I guess I
2:02:58
Speaker 1: ain't hunting ever again. But uh, that's what I say
2:03:02
Speaker 1: that that's that's fair. That's a fair answer. Um, okay.
2:03:06
Speaker 1: And then one other kind of totally different topic. But
2:03:11
Speaker 1: I do think that it's worth just covering off on
2:03:15
Speaker 1: it a little bit because I think you've talked a
2:03:18
Speaker 1: lot about different mistakes that have happened throughout the course
2:03:20
Speaker 1: of your hunting career and how you learn from these
2:03:22
Speaker 1: different things. You set up in the wrong spot of
2:03:24
Speaker 1: DearS as something you figured out, you'll learn from it,
2:03:26
Speaker 1: you get better because of it. Um. One thing that
2:03:30
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you'd be willing to just give me
2:03:32
Speaker 1: a little bit of perspective on, is that there was
2:03:37
Speaker 1: game violation that I know that you had had an
2:03:40
Speaker 1: issue with back I don't know, a decade ago, and
2:03:42
Speaker 1: if someone googles you, this thing pops up, and I
2:03:46
Speaker 1: would love to hear you, know, your perspective on what happened,
2:03:50
Speaker 1: what you learn from that, because I think there's a
2:03:51
Speaker 1: lot of people who probably have committed some kind of
2:03:55
Speaker 1: infraction and didn't realize it, or they did and they
2:03:58
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. I'm glad you asked that, because
2:04:02
Speaker 1: this is what we've been wanting to get out since
2:04:05
Speaker 1: day one. So there's everybody's got their fans, and everybody's
2:04:10
Speaker 1: got their people that want to bash on them and
2:04:13
Speaker 1: call them. So back years ago, coming up, anybody, everybody
2:04:18
Speaker 1: wanted to be the world's best bull hunter, and anybody
2:04:22
Speaker 1: who shot really big deer always would have this overtone
2:04:28
Speaker 1: of being a you know, other jealous guys would call
2:04:30
Speaker 1: them poachers or that they did things illegal, and I'm
2:04:33
Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now, they weren't too far off.
2:04:36
Speaker 1: There was a lot of guys doing a lot of
2:04:38
Speaker 1: shady ship um over the years. So because if you
2:04:45
Speaker 1: can imagine me coming up in the class of deer
2:04:48
Speaker 1: that I'm shooting right under everybody's noses, right on the
2:04:50
Speaker 1: same properties. Um, there was always that people that that
2:04:57
Speaker 1: hated your wanted you to fail. So over the years,
2:05:00
Speaker 1: you can imagine the forty years of hunting, I've had
2:05:03
Speaker 1: a few and then guys, you know, they they'll they'll
2:05:05
Speaker 1: bring them up and they'll and I know some of
2:05:07
Speaker 1: the guys who would bring these things up. I know
2:05:10
Speaker 1: him from years ago. You talked about outright poachers. I've
2:05:16
Speaker 1: actually taking those guys as projects and change them. They
2:05:20
Speaker 1: literally believed that a trophy deer would not be moving
2:05:23
Speaker 1: around in daylight hours. So I ended up falling victim
2:05:28
Speaker 1: to being in my tree stand ten minutes too late
2:05:30
Speaker 1: one year there for the reason of catching a trespasser
2:05:36
Speaker 1: poacher that was not my property. No air knock, but
2:05:40
Speaker 1: a law enforcement jealous guy on a police department stick
2:05:44
Speaker 1: a warden after me who we find out later on
2:05:49
Speaker 1: was watching me for two weeks straight every day evening hunting.
2:05:52
Speaker 1: And can you imagine being watched for two weeks straight
2:05:56
Speaker 1: on the evening post and then never being a minute
2:06:01
Speaker 1: after getting down on the right times doing it, and
2:06:03
Speaker 1: then one day, uh, you're ten minutes after and you
2:06:07
Speaker 1: get you get a violation. Now it really rubbed me wrong.
2:06:11
Speaker 1: That anybody would think that I'd have to cheat with
2:06:14
Speaker 1: the success I've had, And what really was good in
2:06:18
Speaker 1: the years to come is taking up this video and
2:06:21
Speaker 1: filming showing the freaking world that tropey whitetailer up under
2:06:26
Speaker 1: feet midday and you don't have to be a poacher.
2:06:29
Speaker 1: Um was validation. So I made the mistake I shouldn't
2:06:35
Speaker 1: have been even though I got a ticket. The law
2:06:37
Speaker 1: reads that as long as you don't have an aerow knock,
2:06:40
Speaker 1: you're not constituting hunting. Who out there has not been
2:06:43
Speaker 1: in a tree stand ten minutes after closing hours, I'll
2:06:47
Speaker 1: call them all wires, and every one of us is
2:06:50
Speaker 1: in our tree stands ten minutes before the season opens
2:06:53
Speaker 1: in the morning, ready to go. So UM, I didn't.
2:06:58
Speaker 1: The mistake I made was having the success I've had
2:07:03
Speaker 1: over the years. And then another occurrence that happened was
2:07:06
Speaker 1: in the state of Illinois where I ordered licenses and
2:07:09
Speaker 1: the state of Illinois did not send me all the
2:07:12
Speaker 1: proper licenses but sent me a permit. Ended up going
2:07:15
Speaker 1: in the woods and uh never even got caught hunting,
2:07:19
Speaker 1: but ended up big headlines read of the enemies you know, uh,
2:07:24
Speaker 1: trophy hunter caught hunting with nold license in the and
2:07:27
Speaker 1: everybody and your brother if you read that article, would
2:07:29
Speaker 1: have thought I was the most reckless nuts running around
2:07:32
Speaker 1: without licenses hunting over bait. Just total freaking insult to
2:07:38
Speaker 1: uh but mine everybody else is intelligent when that's all
2:07:42
Speaker 1: that was forgotten, and it was forgotten on their part
2:07:45
Speaker 1: was a habitat stamp. You know, we had licenses bought,
2:07:50
Speaker 1: common mistake. They usually let you go by your habitat
2:07:54
Speaker 1: stamp and then go back to hunting. Not this guy.
2:07:57
Speaker 1: This is a boon and Crockett that you know, some
2:07:59
Speaker 1: of these haters are trying to take down and they
2:08:02
Speaker 1: and somebody had literally taken that. When you when you
2:08:05
Speaker 1: google that that article. Here's what somebody is doing. That
2:08:08
Speaker 1: article has gone away for years and somebody is purposely
2:08:13
Speaker 1: bringing it up to the forefront to damage credibility. So
2:08:18
Speaker 1: whoever that is, they're a loser. There. Probably ain't got
2:08:21
Speaker 1: much on her wall and her very yellous type hunter. Um.
2:08:24
Speaker 1: But all the occurrences I've had over the years, we're
2:08:28
Speaker 1: all just little mistakes. I've talked to dozens of guys
2:08:31
Speaker 1: who's done the same thing, even residents of Illinois that
2:08:33
Speaker 1: I forgot to buy her habitat stamp Um ran into
2:08:37
Speaker 1: a wrong situation where you know things have happened. But
2:08:41
Speaker 1: I'll tell you point blank to this day, Uh, if
2:08:44
Speaker 1: I was a cheater, I would have a world record
2:08:46
Speaker 1: on my wall right now, and I'd have freaking dozen
2:08:50
Speaker 1: world class of deer more than I have right now. Um,
2:08:53
Speaker 1: this ain't what it's all about for me. It's about
2:08:55
Speaker 1: me and this White Tale, and I never gave her ship.
2:08:59
Speaker 1: Would anybody else ever thought about me and my talents
2:09:01
Speaker 1: of deer hunting. So I'm glad we got that out.
2:09:04
Speaker 1: And now there's no question anybody. If you want to
2:09:07
Speaker 1: call me a poacher, you want to do whatever you want,
2:09:09
Speaker 1: call away. But if you want to just dial into
2:09:11
Speaker 1: white Tail Addictions and watch all of this ship going
2:09:15
Speaker 1: down for your plane and color, you can see it.
2:09:18
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you being willing to talk about that,
2:09:23
Speaker 1: because I do think it's yeah, and I think that
2:09:27
Speaker 1: what you bring up is it's not it's it's important
2:09:30
Speaker 1: just to understand in your situation. But I think it's
2:09:32
Speaker 1: also a really important reminder for just the average Joel
2:09:35
Speaker 1: out there, because every state you go to, there are
2:09:38
Speaker 1: so many different little changes and variations and regulations, and honestly, goodness,
2:09:43
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was some little thing
2:09:45
Speaker 1: I got wrong that I had no idea about. Um.
2:09:47
Speaker 1: So it's just a good attorney out to read half
2:09:49
Speaker 1: these laws and regulations and you know, just think of
2:09:52
Speaker 1: it for a for a guy who does that for
2:09:54
Speaker 1: a limit to try and take. And I think what
2:09:56
Speaker 1: they were trying to take me with was they were
2:09:58
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of baiting in Wisconsin, and they
2:10:00
Speaker 1: were trying to get a high profile hunter basically pot
2:10:05
Speaker 1: hunting illegal over abate or something too to verify their case.
2:10:09
Speaker 1: But that is so freaking uh. That is the lowest
2:10:13
Speaker 1: thing you can freaking do um to a real trophy
2:10:17
Speaker 1: hunter is to accuse them of that. And um, it's
2:10:22
Speaker 1: it's like I said, it's just you've got all the
2:10:25
Speaker 1: facts you can look at, you can say all you want.
2:10:27
Speaker 1: And I know every other trophy hunter that I know,
2:10:29
Speaker 1: all these other guys that come up have experienced the
2:10:31
Speaker 1: same thing. They'll be and you know what, it's not
2:10:33
Speaker 1: that way anymore. There's not the jealousy there was years
2:10:36
Speaker 1: ago because there's the caliber animal around and people are
2:10:40
Speaker 1: a lot of people are getting them. Like years ago.
2:10:41
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, not a lot of guys weren't killing deer,
2:10:45
Speaker 1: and they were not good hunters. They were pissed four
2:10:47
Speaker 1: hunters and they didn't have the talent to do it.
2:10:49
Speaker 1: And just because I couldn't do it and you could there,
2:10:53
Speaker 1: you've got to be doing something wrong. That's the mentality
2:10:55
Speaker 1: that they had, um and it's sad. And I think
2:10:58
Speaker 1: even at Ordin, what I think he found out is
2:11:01
Speaker 1: the world was pulled over his frecking eyes and he
2:11:04
Speaker 1: might have seen the lights of that. Somebody just painting
2:11:07
Speaker 1: me out to be a scumbag was really a scumbag
2:11:09
Speaker 1: of Saul. So yeah, well, I feel like the morals
2:11:12
Speaker 1: story here is leave the jealousy at home and always
2:11:15
Speaker 1: double check your regulations and exactly you need to um
2:11:20
Speaker 1: even knowing your regulations and needn't even knowing the facts. Uh,
2:11:26
Speaker 1: you gotta do everything completely right. If you gotta imagine
2:11:29
Speaker 1: being in the woods for four four decades, every day
2:11:32
Speaker 1: to season evening in late different states, you're bound to
2:11:36
Speaker 1: step in a hole uh here there, and just like speed,
2:11:40
Speaker 1: you know, you get a speeding ticket here there. But
2:11:42
Speaker 1: these guys want to paint this ship is like you
2:11:44
Speaker 1: got caught coaching a deer. You did some ship, Dude.
2:11:47
Speaker 1: That would be the lowest thing I could ever do
2:11:49
Speaker 1: to myself to take one illegally. It's it's it's cheating,
2:11:53
Speaker 1: and I don't need to cheat. I have enough tools,
2:11:55
Speaker 1: um to win that game on my own. So if anything,
2:11:58
Speaker 1: I would like to put a little van is in
2:12:00
Speaker 1: their court. You certainly the proof is in the pudding. Um.
2:12:05
Speaker 1: That being the case, I think there's probably a lot
2:12:08
Speaker 1: of people that hurt our conversation today and want more, um.
2:12:12
Speaker 1: You want to learn more about what you're doing. You're
2:12:14
Speaker 1: putting on a lot of stuff these days, between the
2:12:16
Speaker 1: podcasts and white Tail Addictions and all the content. Where
2:12:19
Speaker 1: can people go to to learn more about that stuff?
2:12:23
Speaker 1: And uh? And if they want to get some of
2:12:25
Speaker 1: these tools you talk about as far as gear, can
2:12:26
Speaker 1: you fill us in a little bit there too? Yeah,
2:12:29
Speaker 1: so you can. You can go to a loan World
2:12:31
Speaker 1: custom gear and you can attamp into our uh YouTube
2:12:35
Speaker 1: page are white Tail Addictions page? Justin Hollendsworth heads up
2:12:39
Speaker 1: our whole um saying there you can put in applications.
2:12:42
Speaker 1: We had a ton of applications. We actually have had
2:12:44
Speaker 1: to shut a balance here for guys wanting to get involved.
2:12:48
Speaker 1: We want to see some of the new guys. Again,
2:12:50
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of really big deer shot on
2:12:52
Speaker 1: these shows. We're not it's it's it just happens to
2:12:55
Speaker 1: be that way, but we're not all about it. So
2:12:56
Speaker 1: we do have some deer that are not that big
2:12:58
Speaker 1: that we understand. Our guys are in areas at the
2:13:01
Speaker 1: caliber animals are not that size, or you're hunting public
2:13:04
Speaker 1: or you're just starting out. We want those stories too.
2:13:07
Speaker 1: We would like to have a few women in there.
2:13:10
Speaker 1: And the equipment. We have some high end equipment. Uh,
2:13:13
Speaker 1: That's what I've always done. There's a lot of other
2:13:16
Speaker 1: stand manufacturers out there. There's extual p that have some
2:13:20
Speaker 1: uh some more reasonable ones, so you can you can
2:13:22
Speaker 1: go there and purchase uh some stands that are a
2:13:26
Speaker 1: good price, or you can UM. I think we have
2:13:28
Speaker 1: some of the best best designs in the tree stand
2:13:31
Speaker 1: industry UM with our new line of stands, and I
2:13:34
Speaker 1: think guys appreciate those good tools. I appreciate them, and
2:13:40
Speaker 1: it's the reason why I keep making them better and
2:13:41
Speaker 1: better is because I want better and better equipment for myself,
2:13:44
Speaker 1: so um, and then we have also a little, uh
2:13:49
Speaker 1: you know, a tiny little podcast with the attributes and
2:13:53
Speaker 1: tribulations between a son and his father that are kind
2:13:56
Speaker 1: of interesting. But we've always enjoyed yours and you came
2:13:59
Speaker 1: highly recommend did from numerous people, so I'll say that
2:14:02
Speaker 1: about you. That's why I took the time to give
2:14:04
Speaker 1: you a um this podcast. And I wouldn't mind. Like
2:14:07
Speaker 1: I said, there's so much stuff to cover, we could
2:14:10
Speaker 1: never cover it on one, and I enjoy coming back
2:14:12
Speaker 1: on so all right, well, I'm gonna hold to that
2:14:15
Speaker 1: because I really would like to keep talking. This has
2:14:18
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. And if it wasn't for
2:14:20
Speaker 1: my wife texting me and telling me that the kids
2:14:22
Speaker 1: are getting pissed because they need to eat, keep on talking.
2:14:26
Speaker 1: I hear your brother, Well, Andre, thank you. I hope
2:14:29
Speaker 1: we can chat more soon before the season or soon after.
2:14:32
Speaker 1: And if not, though, good luck come October one. Hey, brother,
2:14:37
Speaker 1: luck got nothing to do with it. Remember that it's
2:14:39
Speaker 1: a good I'll leave you. I'll leave you with that.
2:14:42
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Alright, guys, there you go, the
2:14:46
Speaker 1: one and only Andre du Quisto quite quite the the
2:14:53
Speaker 1: chat I mean, there's a lot to take in. There,
2:14:56
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff. Um. I do want to
2:14:59
Speaker 1: circle back on one thing, though, and just make make
2:15:02
Speaker 1: things very crystal clear. I asked Andre about his running
2:15:07
Speaker 1: with the game violation situation because I think it's a
2:15:11
Speaker 1: situation we can all learn from. I was not doing
2:15:14
Speaker 1: this because I want to any way normalize by violating
2:15:17
Speaker 1: hunting regulations. I want to make sure we say, hey,
2:15:21
Speaker 1: anyone can make a mistake, anyone can do something that's
2:15:24
Speaker 1: not quite right, and we all have to take responsibility
2:15:27
Speaker 1: for that, and we all need to learn from that.
2:15:28
Speaker 1: So what I take away from andres situation is just
2:15:31
Speaker 1: that each and every one of us has to double
2:15:34
Speaker 1: and triple check regulations. We've got to pay attention to
2:15:37
Speaker 1: the changes each year, and we need to do our
2:15:39
Speaker 1: very best to follow them to a t um. I
2:15:42
Speaker 1: mentioned when we were chatting a second ago that a
2:15:44
Speaker 1: lot of this, myself included, has maybe unwittingly done something
2:15:49
Speaker 1: wrong without knowing it. And I'm saying that not to
2:15:51
Speaker 1: imply that that's okay. I'm not saying, oh, it's the
2:15:54
Speaker 1: government's fault for having too many hunting regulations. I'm not
2:15:57
Speaker 1: condoning any kind of violation or high later. I'm simply saying,
2:16:02
Speaker 1: be careful, be responsible, don't let a silly mistake ruin
2:16:06
Speaker 1: your hunt, or your year, or the next few years
2:16:09
Speaker 1: of your hunting life. Um. This conversation has just been
2:16:12
Speaker 1: a great reminder for me to personally go back and
2:16:14
Speaker 1: reread the regulations for Michigan and other states. I'm going
2:16:17
Speaker 1: to just to make sure I've got a downpad. Uh,
2:16:21
Speaker 1: And that's that. I think I'd recommend everybody do the
2:16:23
Speaker 1: same too. It's it's on us to make sure we've
2:16:25
Speaker 1: got it right. So that's that's why I bring something
2:16:29
Speaker 1: like this up. I think we need to just we
2:16:32
Speaker 1: need to talk about these things. We need to think
2:16:34
Speaker 1: about these things. And it's not the most fun thing
2:16:37
Speaker 1: to talk about, um, but it's it's important. So sorry
2:16:41
Speaker 1: we have to wrap up on that note. But hey,
2:16:44
Speaker 1: this podcast is all about learning as much as we
2:16:46
Speaker 1: possibly could from Andre in all sorts of different ways.
2:16:50
Speaker 1: I think we did that. We've heard a lot lots
2:16:53
Speaker 1: take in so I'm gonna let you go. Now, let's
2:16:56
Speaker 1: just do on all this. Let's you grind it on out.
2:16:59
Speaker 1: See it as anything you can add to your hunting
2:17:01
Speaker 1: repertoire and uh hopefully it's going to help you sum
2:17:05
Speaker 1: this hunting season. So thank you for tuning in, thanks
2:17:08
Speaker 1: for following along, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.