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The Future of College Sports, OKC Takes Game 5, Iowa & Iowa State lose QB recruits, Scott Dochterman talks College Football · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All right. Good afternoon.
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Welcome, boys. Gone way too soon.
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Tom Petty was so good. So good.
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Mallory Condon, welcome to the Iowa Sports Radio Network, 2
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hours of sports conversation followed by three more.
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The Dr. follows us in here from 21 till 5.
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Trent Condon and Ken Miller with you until 2O clock talking
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sports. Here's what's coming up on our
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program. Scott Dockerman, we missed him
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yesterday, We'll get him today. Doc will join us here.
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Coming up at the bottom of the hour, I want to take a good long
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look at the PC wrote last week in the Athletic some of the
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bigger stories when it comes to college football.
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We'll talk to Doc about that, the 25 stories that changed
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college football since the year 2000.
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So Doc at the bottom of the hour onward we will go to hour number
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two and we will start with JT Gatlin from part of the Locked
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on Network covers the NBA at least till until Thursday.
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Well, he'll still cover it be 1 of the games I wouldn't assume,
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but we'll get into that as we'll talk NBA with JT Gatlin.
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I'll go round the the league a little bit.
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Nick. Still in search of their coach
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far down the list. I mean, if you're still knowing
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that, I don't know, 6, maybe 10 coaches have turned you down and
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you finally get to you. Are you excited to get that
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opportunity? We'll talk to Gatlin on NBA
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topics at One O 2 and then Bride Hendricks of the Iowa Swarm will
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join us at 1:25. Is he still in operation?
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We've Caker, Tom Caker kind of alluded to the fact on Friday
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that the swarm might be going away.
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So we'll go right to the horse's mouth and Brad Hynix has ran it
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since its inception. He'll join us at 1:25 to get the
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lay of the land there. I read a piece from Seth Davis.
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At least I read half the piece till it made me pay here this
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morning. One of the one of the new, many
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new sites that are out there and he can't subscribe to all of
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them, but he's and he makes a really good point.
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I thought that college athletes in the next couple of years are
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in for rude awakening because the the the upperclassmen that
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they will join in some cases are making X or have made all of
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this money at some point in their college career and it's
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going to be a significant cut in whatever their NAL.
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Is you. You believe that?
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I, I want to believe it because they're going to turn everybody
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in Trent. I mean when schools are going to
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be telling on each? Other So suddenly we're going to
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have Alabama and Penn State and Michigan and Ohio State and
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Florida and Florida State. Playing by the same rules,
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Trent. Uh huh.
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They're all going to be above the board.
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Yep, as they have been. Well, they weren't actually,
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when you come to think of. It, I mean, he's spinning a hell
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of a yarn. Well, it's I live in reality.
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I know. And the reality is?
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That people are going to cheat. It's going to be cheating, Yeah,
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it'll be rampant. And I think the proof will be in
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the pudding when the SEC starts knocking off College Football
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Playoff titles again. But his point, at least legally,
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these guys are going to be in for rude awakening.
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Well, guess what? They'll be fine.
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Yeah, I think so. I think so.
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There'll be a lot of those. Go back to the golden handshake
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days or maybe behind this this building.
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And are all, you know what, We'll find a way to get you the
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dough. And.
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Duffel bag on the front door, Mom and Dad's doorstep, and away
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we go. But anyways, we'll talk to Brad
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Heinrichs. So is it your understanding that
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the swarm is kaput? No, it's still, it's still an
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operational. Keiko was wrong.
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I, I don't think that's what Tom said.
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What Tom said, at least the way that I heard it, is that the
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university is separating themselves away from it.
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So Beth Getz was was hand in hand with the swarm.
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She's she was the. Beginning, she was a more
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willing. Than Barto.
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Than Barto was absolutely. And has she distanced herself
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from the swarm a little bit? I don't know if that would be
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the terminology that I understand it well.
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I'm going to ask Brad if he understands.
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Exactly. And that's why I think it's
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really important to talk to him because this is completely
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different that $20.5 million that we continue to hear about.
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That's not going to be enough. I.
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Don't think it is either. And if the University of Iowa,
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if they believe that it is that that 20, because everybody
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again, living in that fantasy land, that everybody's going to
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be above board and that 20.5 everybody's going to play by the
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same set of rules and we're fine.
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And we don't need Iowa Swarm. We don't need their efforts and
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what they're doing because we got our twenty and a half
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million dollars. Guess what?
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University of Iowa athletic department you're in deep
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trouble. Yeah, I don't think you're going
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to be able to keep up with the Joneses or in this case the
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Wolverines or the Buckets or the Mindy lines or dot dot dot dot
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dot dot dot the align eye. I mean, look what they're doing.
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So in your number one, one starts in the fiscal year of
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2000, July 1st for 2025, going for the next 12 months.
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That's when we hear that $20.5 million figure.
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However, Texas Tech's estimated overall budget what 50, five,
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$55 million. 'Cause they grandfather deals in
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so this year, right? Does the University of Iowa
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athletic department believe that they have an extra 35 and not
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even 35, an extra $15 million? Is that a fair number to throw
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out there on top of the 20 1/2 that they can play with every
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single year? I mean, if they do, more power
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to them. But so you're saying they're
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going to have to get it from somewhere, right?
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And that the swarm will be very much alive.
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Could it become internal? That's what we're hearing more
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and more. Is these instead of the
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collectives with an outside entity?
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Well. Bloom is going to work by the
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sounds of things when he joins us for this last Tuesday.
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I think yes, he basically said that he's going to be the We
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Will Collective will be a thing until the end of the year and
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then sounds like his job is changing.
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But it'll be very similar, it'll just be instead of in its own
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entity. His paycheck will come from
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somewhere. Else it'll be through the Iowa
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State University athletic department.
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What do they call with all the other things that are up, that
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it'll be under that umbrella? We'll see what this means for
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the sword. And, and you don't think that
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the fear 'cause I mean, they, they talked a good game.
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They, when, when the, when the fear of God was, you know, put,
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put into schools, at least that was the goal.
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They talked about some penalties that you don't even want to
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think about. Like you have no idea how harsh
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this is going to be. Loss of scholarships, loss of
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eligibility. I mean they by the sounds of
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things, they're going to not the death penalty.
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I mean that's, that's as severe as severe could be, but they're
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going to go right up to that level.
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You don't buy that for a second. I don't, I, I don't believe if
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we find out that the biggest football programs in the country
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right away are cheating, that they're going to be
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heavy-handed. So then what?
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Then we're right back to where we were.
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So. So is this obviously a failure?
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Then of course, yeah, well, it's going to be.
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And all and all of this work that went into it and all of
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this time that went into it and this house settlement that
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everybody was waiting for is a lot to do about nothing.
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Basically. Good God.
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I mean, that's how I see it. Am I?
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Am I out of bounds with that thought line of thinking though?
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I hope you are because I it was it was getting out of hand and
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and it needed to be reined in and and I hate when you know,
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it's it's the politicians that get involved, but I don't know
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who else it. Could be right?
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Well, and they've been begging for politicians for help.
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Involved because take it off our plate.
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I mean, we can't have this. They went to Supreme Court, a
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divisive Supreme Court, as we've seen in 200 years.
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They got their asses kicked. I mean, they can't get 9.
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Nothing with that Supreme Court with anything except when the
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NCAA came to help us out. Yeah, what you guys are doing is
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unconstitutional. You can't do these things.
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They are. What you have is not the way
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that business needs to be run. Can we go back to the old days?
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We just, we watch games, we talk about games.
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Head in the same we. Preview games and maybe?
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We're going to be there. Guess what?
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Come August, we will be right back.
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But I but I know it, but it's but still, I mean that this is
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not going away. I don't think we'll we'll see
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how plays out, but anyways, we saw how the NBA played out last
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night. This was a 2 point game with 8
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1/2 minutes left. Yes and the Pacers were getting
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there. You know what's kicked?
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I mean getting the you know what's kicked.
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And as they've done time after time after time, here they come
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and they mounted that comeback and they got it to within two.
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And I don't remember who shot the ball but missed.
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And then Hartenstein got the rebound, offensive rebound.
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He threw it back up and he missed loose ball and it fell
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into yet another one of the thunders hands.
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They passed it around. Boom 3.
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Jason Wallace had that huge stretch and that.
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At that point, unbelievable he was 3.
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Pointer steel goes from 2:00 it's up to 7 and in a blink of
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and I swear I looked at that score bug.
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I mean my eyes darted there like 12 times in a row.
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No, it's not 15, it's not 50, it's just two.
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Who you trying to kid? Like doing the math in my head,
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but did I miss something? Did they screw?
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But that's how quick it was. Went from here we go, we got a
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ball game after. You're right.
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And the Pacers look dreadful for long stretches.
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And is it? Is Halliburton hurting his team?
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I know he's hurt. Yeah, no.
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Do you play him? I think so.
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I mean, what? What are you going to do?
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McConnell. OK, you can still play him
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together. I mean, you want more Ben
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Shepard out there? I don't know if there's.
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I don't know if they have an answer.
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They don't And and because of that, you want more?
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I don't know, I guess you could give some more minutes.
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Trent if, if, if Halliburton and and I don't see a miraculous
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recovery. You know by.
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Thursday night they don't have prayer, right?
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They don't have a prayer. I mean, Siatkin could only do so
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much and thank God he got going in there.
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I mean, he was terrible in the first.
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He was a turnover machine in the 1st 12 minutes of that
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basketball game. And then to me, Nemhart down the
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stretch was just God awful, turning the ball over, missing
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shot after shot after shot. I thought we were going to be in
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for another one of these all time finishes.
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Not necessarily the patients were going to win it, but this
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is going to be a last second, you know, last possession type
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wins basketball game because they kept cutting, kept cutting.
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Then they Keith Underwood, you know, extended to 7 or 9 and
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here come the Pacers again. But after that, it seemingly got
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away and it never came back. Can all be tapping?
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Please stop shooting 3 pointers. Yeah, please.
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Right. What was he is?
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Did he make one? Made one?
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I know he made one. So I was going to look he shot
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40% from three last year. That seems impossible.
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That thing is hideous. But that repeatable motion?
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Yeah, I saw something in an NBA game I don't think I've ever
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seen last night. I don't think I've ever seen it
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before. Adam Silver courtside.
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No she not OK. A foul on a jump ball I.
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Have seen that before, but it's a rarity.
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Yeah, it's a rarity. Yeah.
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And, and did it was kind of the right call.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, McConnell grabbed SGA's
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wrist, but you never see that call.
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And you do it every single time. Now this is something I remember
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in either 7th or 8th grade. Basketball, you're taught this,
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and especially you are because you're 5-6 right now, at the
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time, maybe 55. I never had, I had to worry
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about jump balls because it was just before a game.
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And if we went to overtime, that was only time jump balls, just
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alternating possession. But I remember taking our coach,
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taking the bigs over there and he was teaching how to hook, how
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to get when you're going up, if you're going to guy that jumps a
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lot higher, you do this. If you're taller than this guy,
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you do this. The different things that are
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out there because it is crazy watching an NBA game and seeing
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the physicality on a jump ball because we're we're college
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basketball fans. When do we see a jump ball?
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Start. That's it, you know.
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And it overtime, you know, which is once every 15 games, you
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know, that's all we see jump balls.
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And because of that, I think us as college basketball fans
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bigger than the NBA don't realize, yeah, they're doing all
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those dirty tricks every single time.
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And every once in a while you can call.
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It it was a great it was a great camera angle because McConnell
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was incredulous. They can't believe this is
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happening. The commentator never see this.
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But then they showed the replaying.
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Yeah, I mean, he did, but it's just odd.
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But it wasn't odd that that it's SGA that is the benefactor of
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the call because he's the benefactor seemingly of a lot of
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calls. Here's his free throws and I
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know he gets to the rim and he's going to get fouled.
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But my good got the number of free throws that SGA has shot in
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these playoffs. It's like, what was the number
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167 free throws he shot? And the next guy in the entire
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regular season, there were two guys at the top 159 and that's
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the regular season. And and, and SJ shot 167 in the
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playoffs. But you know, he gets to the
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basket, he draws contact. But again, I don't recall, I
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don't think I've ever seen it on a jump ball where he fouled his
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call. But you look at the look at the
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video and it's it's clear, as clear as day.
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So been hearing the last couple years about Jalen Williams and
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the weird thing was. God, was he ever something?
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He was so good last night and I mean the thing before he forced
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him, right, He was pretty limited player.
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He forced him right? You could gobble him up and then
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he worked in the offseason to build himself into this.
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But the weird thing was because they had two Jalen.
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Williams Two. Yes.
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Yes. And maybe it was because of
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that, just I, because I'd hear Jalen Williams.
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I'm like, well, I don't follow the NBA enough.
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I don't know which Jalen Williams is.
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And maybe I just tuned it out. They still do have two Jalen.
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Williams. And the other one just doesn't
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play as much. But initially they're kind of
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playing about the same amount of minutes.
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They were different kind of players, but I don't know what
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it was. Different spellings of the first
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name I. Remember that one has AY, this
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one is just J Allen JALEN. But this Jalen Williams, he
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just, he's a bulldozer. But then hearing him talk
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afterwards, I mean, he talks like just a 40 year old veteran
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that's been in the league for 18 years.
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He's so sharp, so smart, just knows exactly what to say.
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I had to do it again last night. My wife, a whole tech guy, 2424
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years old now. He hasn't been in the league for
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2 decades. 14 to. 25 Jalen Williams was last night 14 to
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2540 points. He's turned himself into another
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stud. Where did he go to school?
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Santa Clara, Of course he did. That was another one last night.
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Where did he go? Oh, right.
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Santa Clara, of course. Yeah, he was in the WCC.
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Oh. Sure, out of sight, out of mind.
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Right out of sight out of mind. Let's get Joe in here.
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He wants to a pint on his Thunder as they are one game
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away from a parade. Hello, Joe, How are you?
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I'm pretty good. Well, so far I'm pretty.
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Good. I bet you are about about.
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Jalen Williams, he's a military brat.
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They're held. Oh, is he?
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Yeah, so, I mean, they you don't want to stereotype it.
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They are held to higher standards as kids.
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And you know, here's the unprecedented thing.
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I brought this up this morning. They're on the verge of winning
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the title with four first round draft picks next week.
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Yeah, all outside the lottery. Lottery, right, But one real
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close to it. Is that what I understand?
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I understand. I.
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Think I think their first pick is the next step outside the.
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Lottery pick 13. Yeah, and it was, it was crazy
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as he looked back, have the Clippers not made the play in
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it? They would have had the Clippers
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lottery pick. Oh my God, so it was a protected
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pick and that's the only reason he don't have.
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It and then. There's a stat that was brought
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up last night you got you got to be able to shut down Jalen
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Williams and SGA and it's impossible to do it really.
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Is. There's a stat last night where
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they combined with assist and points for 103 total points last
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night. What do you?
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What do you do with? That you're nothing.
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You're you're you're cooked. You're cooked.
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I mean, so it's like, is Jalen Williams Scottie Pippen or is he
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better? Is Jalen Williams, Is Jalen
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Williams a guy that could go to any other team and be a starter
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right out the gate? And also, I want to bring
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something else up. This is the second time in this
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playoffs that there's been a foul on a jump ball.
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Is it Jaron? Yeah.
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Jaron Jackson in the first round did it to Lou Dort.
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And when I was watching it, I'm like, you are you are 9 inches
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taller than Lou Dort. How did you foul him on the
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jump? Yeah, I didn't see that.
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I must not have been watching it at the time.
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I I don't recall that, but I I mean, last night just jumped off
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the TV. But you know what?
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It was right? McConnell got him.
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You know, and All in all, there's been good calls and
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there's been horrible calls and it's gone both.
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Ways, yeah, No, I don't disagree.
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There's been ones that are like, OK, that's a flagrant, but that
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one, that one wasn't called, but that one was called.
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It's been ridiculous, but it's actually been fair ridiculous
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both ways. Joe, Congrats on the win last
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night. I don't think we're going to see
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any basketball this weekend, but we shall see.
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Obviously, Thursday, unless Scott Foster gets the
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assignment, the great extender, we may get a Game 7.
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Joe, appreciate. It I'll call you Friday
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regardless. All right, see, man, good to
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hear from you. There's Joe on the Thunder.
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Our resident Thunder fan. You know what, I kind of hope
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Foster does get these. Yeah, spread this thing out.
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So when would Game 7 be Sunday? Got to be right.
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They would do Sunday. Unlike the NHL, who if there is
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a Game seven, you know what it is, it's Friday night.
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Yeah, I do, because you're. Talking on vacation, right?
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I do know that. But who, if you do get to that
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point, who crowns your championship on a front?
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It's the worst night of TV. Isn't Saturday worse?
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I don't think so. I think Saturday prime time is
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worse than Friday prime time. Maybe it's it's an inch either
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way, but a Friday night. Well, the thing about Friday is
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you've got Saturday and Sunday. By the time Monday rolls around,
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it's out of my nobody's talking about that.
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He forgot about it, right. That was all the way back on
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Friday. Nobody wants to regurgitate
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that. But I don't think we're going to
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get there. Do we get to a Game 7?
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What's the most likely game seven?
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I I think I've switched. You have, I believe I have and
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I'm not saying it's going to happen.
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I think the Pacers. Crowd along with those role
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players, they can still steal one even with a limited Tyrese
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Halliburton. I still believe in them doing
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that. But I guess we only need one
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game on the other side. We need just one game on both
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sides. I I just like Florida a lot
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tonight. I do too.
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I'm going to preface it by saying that.
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Well, we're talking about winning.
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We're talking about yeah. Hockey does feel, in general,
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more of a coin flip. Although when you're in Game 6
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and your season is on the line and you had to decide this
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morning who your goalie's going to be, that's not optimum.
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No, they're going back to Skinner.
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They're going back to Skinner. The.
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More talented of the two. Guess I think that's probably
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the right move. I don't know if there is a right
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move. I really don't.
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Is there anything they can do this offseason?
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We talked about I was reading that article about them being
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kind of in salary cap health starting next year.
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Is there anything they can do behind the net or is it just?
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Overdraft A goalie. I, I, I mean, and, and rookies.
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Rookie goalies aren't worth the crap.
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It takes a while, a couple of years.
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Well, maybe if it is they're. 18 I don't know what they have in
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their farm system. Yeah.
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I mean, maybe if it is that you're very limited in terms of
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that, that's what you do. You go young and you just hope
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that one of those guys in the next two or three years,
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suddenly when you're able to build back up because of the
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salary cap, then you're ready to go.
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I don't know. Yeah, got to pay a lot of guys.
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Got to pay a lot of guys. Like Florida a lot tonight?
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I do too, Trent. I don't think there's going to
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be a Game 7, but if I had to pick one, I would go hockey
19:39
McDavid and dry Seidel. But again, I'm grabbing at
19:43
straws. I really think I am.
19:45
I don't think we're going to get either one of them.
19:47
I don't. So one more on the local front
19:50
before we hit the brake, OK. And in the past 24 hours, yes,
19:54
both Iowa and Iowa State have lost their quarterbacks for the
19:57
class of 2000. 12 has landed in Tuscaloosa.
20:01
That's now this has been rumbling for a while.
20:04
Well, as soon as he got the offer to visit and he was
20:08
starting to flirt a little bit. I mean, you have to understand
20:11
that, right? Yes.
20:12
And even though the his sound bite or his statement makes it
20:16
sound a little prickly, I mean, he's not lying when he says he's
20:20
got a chance to play with more guys that are going to play at
20:23
the next level. That's just a point of fact,
20:25
right? Yeah, look at the number of
20:26
NBANFL players that are from Alabama and compared to Iowa
20:30
State. It's reality.
20:32
Right. I mean, it's just, it sounds
20:34
like I say it sounds a little prickly.
20:35
Oh, you did you have to say that?
20:37
But it's true. It's true.
20:39
So that is back to the drawing board for Iowa State.
20:43
Iowa's had a commitment from Cash Ferrera for what, 8 months?
20:46
Something like that? So when he committed refresh my
20:49
memory. Was this a really good get?
20:51
He didn't have a ton of big offers.
20:53
I think he had a UCLA offer. He had a UCLA offer, I think
20:56
just from the West Coast that was foregoing the right the the
21:00
Big 10 team on the West Coast. I thought that was kind of.
21:02
Strange now. Also remember though, it was a
21:03
new coaching staff, so probably didn't have a real deep
21:06
relationship with that previous coaching staff.
21:08
But this is somebody that Tim Lester identified early, really
21:11
liked him. Now they go back to the drawing
21:13
board. So Iowa State is looking at a
21:16
guy that what has a Tulsa offer? Arkansas State, UNLV in Arkansas
21:21
State, Georgia Tech as well. Georgia Tech, where I was trying
21:25
to looking at maybe flipping a kid that's committed to Ball
21:28
State, how quickly the world's have changed quarterback
21:31
recruiting for Iowa and Iowa State.
21:32
Yeah, for sure. Now, were they the only
21:34
quarterbacks that that both schools had committed at this
21:37
point? Well, yes, now I know Iowa was
21:39
going after a couple others. One kid, Peyton, was it Falzone,
21:43
something like that. He ended up committing to Penn
21:46
State, but they brought him in a visit.
21:48
A week later, he gets a offer from Penn State.
21:50
He's a Pennsylvania kid, you know where he's going.
21:53
Iowa told Herrera that they were recruiting 2 freshman
21:57
quarterbacks in this class. He knew that.
22:00
I don't know if, though, one guy started to come on visits this
22:03
spring, if that's where he decided he was going to start to
22:06
look around a little bit. More did.
22:07
He may just want to stay closer to home.
22:08
Maybe. Well, Indiana sounds like his
22:10
next destination. Oh God.
22:11
Now I know you're Canadian, but I know.
22:14
Yeah, that part. Do you know that part?
22:15
Yeah, yeah. Indiana even further away than
22:18
San Diego, but it could be something as simple as that.
22:22
But I was said they're going to. Here's the thing, though, with
22:25
both of these Jet Tamala Cash, Herrera with quarterback.
22:30
Recruiting with cool names though.
22:31
Talk about. In the Portal era, are those
22:35
guys going to play? Yeah.
22:37
Wonder. You know, it just it kind of
22:39
feels like the days of recruiting a quarterback.
22:43
And miss at this lady. And now what?
22:46
But. Then develop 123 years and by
22:51
the time he's a red shirt junior he's going to stick around and
22:54
take over until stays dead. They are.
22:56
You're 100% right. It's so much.
22:58
It's not not so much easier. It's completely easy to move.
23:02
You're free to do so. You're free to move about the
23:04
country, as they say on Southwest.
23:07
But you, you only got $20.5 million to go around.
23:09
So that's it. That's it.
23:11
Above the board, above the board.
23:13
God, I hope it stays that way. What's?
23:16
It like to live in that reality. But they, yeah, I know they said
23:20
the right things are probably not going to do the right thing.
23:22
Scott Dockerman, next, he will join us.
23:25
We'll talk, well, maybe about this topic, amongst other things
23:27
with Doc. I do want to get into what I
23:29
thought was a really good piece and, and that was his college
23:34
football and how things have changed.
23:36
The top. Was it 25 or 20 stories, 25
23:39
stories that changed college football since 2000, got a lot
23:44
of pushback? Do you remember when he
23:46
previewed this with us and he said that the one story that's
23:50
not in there that he's anticipating that he is going to
23:52
get a lot of pushback. He didn't include the Penn State
23:56
right to send Dusky's story. And he said in advance, I know
24:00
I'm going to take a lot of Flack for leaving that out and reading
24:04
the comments to his piece that was published on June the 10th.
24:07
Well, Doc was right. He took a lot of Flack for for
24:10
leaving that out. You read the comments.
24:13
Yeah, some of them Gross. No, some of them Miller and
24:16
Condon. I read Twitter too and it's the
24:18
Irish Sports Radio Network. I just passed 12:30 on a
24:26
Tuesdays Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network
24:29
Trent and I with you until 2. The drive coming up at that
24:33
point Heather and Lucas 2 until 5 overtime Iowa 5 to 6.
24:38
Scott Dockerman joins us writes for the Athletic.
24:41
We're going to jump into his piece here right away.
24:43
The changes the 25 changes that shook college football Before we
24:48
do that Doc good to talk to you as always.
24:50
I see that he was reading a piece earlier from my one of the
24:53
Yahoo National College football ball writers, essentially what
24:56
you wrote a year ago about the change to the calendar.
25:00
You had some good points back then and I think that they were
25:02
amplified in another piece here today.
25:05
And the points remain the same. Just you know what we what might
25:08
may lie ahead and how this thing could shift.
25:11
But let's get into the piece you wrote on June the 10th Doc.
25:13
It was, I thought it's great debate, right?
25:17
It's great fodder as to what's over ranked, what should have
25:20
been in there. What were you surprised to see
25:22
in there? I guess just your thoughts on
25:25
maybe some of the feedback that you got from the article.
25:28
There were certainly some big ones that you know as you as you
25:30
scroll through it. Oh gosh, I forgot all about
25:32
that. That really did reverberate and
25:35
change the landscape of the sport.
25:39
You know, I, I guess it's, it's an interesting exercise because
25:45
you know, it games are, are one thing you can kind of go back
25:49
and go on the schedules and, and remember who won the national
25:52
title and what game was great and, or same thing with coaches
25:56
or teams and, and what have you. But when you start to look at
26:01
things and developments that you know have changed over the last
26:04
25 years, you really have to take a lot of things into
26:07
consideration. And, and among them is, you
26:11
know, just how much weight do you give a scandal?
26:14
How much weight do you give things such as, you know, fun
26:18
things, you know, like the video game versus how much you know,
26:22
does pay to play and his ransom portal matter in the big
26:25
picture? So it was it was an interesting
26:28
exercise. It took me a long time to go
26:30
through it, try to figure out what what mattered and what
26:33
didn't, and ultimately kind of compiled that list.
26:37
One of the more recent ones that that is interesting and I wonder
26:40
when we look back and we get to you know, 2050 and we put the 50
26:45
together of on this list where Connor Stallions is going to
26:49
sit, it impacted Iowa. I mean you go back to two of
26:53
those games, the Big 10 championship game and the
26:55
regular season matchup where boy, Michigan had a great time
26:58
getting the quarterback pretty easily throughout that one.
27:02
How we remember Connor Stallions because it is so close when
27:05
we're talking about a 25 year period, but we look maybe with a
27:08
little deeper understanding and look back of it, of that Conor
27:11
Stallion situation. There's a lot to that Conor
27:15
Stallion situation. I mean, that the upset nature of
27:18
Big 10 opponents really, you know, I've talked to some of
27:22
them, I've written about it and I mean, it lingers.
27:25
I mean, they are not happy about what happened and how it
27:28
transpired because I mean, there were situations where they had,
27:32
you know, they knew what was coming and, you know, he was
27:35
standing next to a coordinator and they would point to the sky
27:39
if it was going to be a pass or point to the ground if it was
27:41
going to be a run. And when you're on 3rd down and
27:44
you're going to get that defense with Aiden Hutchinson, David
27:47
Ojabo and some of the other players, if they know what's
27:50
coming, that is going to impact that play significantly.
27:53
Make your, you know, difficulty so much heightened.
27:57
And, and so that, you know, they knew it.
27:59
And he did a really, you know, interesting job of figuring out
28:03
the, the, the, the signals and everything.
28:06
And and I would say with Iowa in in Indianapolis, the outcome
28:11
when the mattered, I think the score might have mattered.
28:14
But you know, it Kinnick Stadium, that might have been a
28:17
different I don't know, that might have had a shot at a
28:19
different outcome. And Connor Stallions was given
28:22
the game ball after that game in the pink locker room.
28:25
So that was what, 2714 and they Iowa wins a lot of those games
28:32
against good teams, you know, top five teams at Kennick and it
28:35
had that same kind of aura, but they they were a play ahead of
28:39
Iowa every single snap. So that one might have been
28:42
closer. I'll just say that.
28:44
Number 9 was the one that stuck with me.
28:46
I remember 2000, I think it was 2010, the whole the, the, the
28:51
merger that we're on the cusp of it's, it's Oklahoma and it's
28:54
Texas and they're going to the PAC 12 and no, wait a SEC.
28:57
I remember leaving work on that Friday, think the Big 12 was
29:00
absolutely dead. There was number saving it.
29:02
We know what happened. It was saved for a little while
29:04
with Oklahoma and Texas is still, it's still fine and still
29:07
lingers to this day. But then further down the list,
29:11
it does more than linger, by the way, it's still very much in
29:14
operation. But the the one that's just
29:16
still to this day is it's just when you read it, it's just
29:18
shocking that the PAC 12 is gone.
29:21
I mean, that's number three on your list, the PAC 12 of all of
29:24
the power conferences, Doc. And I don't know, maybe it was
29:27
just the Rose Bowl tie in. It just seemed like if you know
29:30
that there's no way that this conference is not going to be
29:33
around once we get to 2024, that's not going to happen.
29:37
No way, no how. Right, because I was in Kansas
29:43
City the day it all kind of blew up when Orange Bloods reported
29:47
about the PAC 16. And it looked like the PAC 12
29:50
was going to take the, at least the, the heavy hitters away from
29:54
the, the Big 12. And you know, they, they took
29:57
Colorado and ultimately Utah from Mountain West.
30:00
But but that seemed like it was more likely to, to RIP apart the
30:05
Big 12 than it was with the PAC 12.
30:07
And I guess what you know, you could kind of say, you know,
30:11
ruined it. I mean, poor leadership.
30:14
I mean, you got to start there. I mean, they had two horrible
30:16
commissioners, probably the two worst, you know, Cleovkov and at
30:21
the end and and Larry Scott, I mean, having ivory towers and
30:24
San Francisco offices and and then, you know, still can't
30:29
couldn't get any distribution for their PAC 12 network.
30:32
And then that's what caused some discontent.
30:35
And then once the opportunities were there for the big 10 to to,
30:40
you know, grab USCUCLA and they did then that changed
30:44
everything. And then and then even at the
30:46
end, you know, the your mark was just very aggressive with with
30:51
the, with the PAC 12 or remaining 10 teams, I guess.
30:55
And, and whereas the PAC 12 could have consolidated, they
31:00
could have said, well, right, well, we're going to replace
31:02
them with San Diego State and Boise State or something to that
31:04
effect. And it probably would have
31:07
pacified everybody. But instead it'll, you know,
31:10
left the door open, couldn't decide anything.
31:12
Then their their contract came in really low and then boom, it
31:16
was all gone. And yeah, it's a real surprise
31:18
because they they were in such lockstep with the Big 10 for for
31:22
decades. And that see it completely
31:25
dissolved. I mean, it's coming back, but
31:27
it's not not the same. You know, it's just, yeah, that
31:31
that is one that just still comes across as very surprising.
31:36
Number one, the NCAA is not above the law.
31:39
In fact, we were just talking about this in their first
31:41
segment in a kind of different capacity.
31:43
But the Supreme Court getting whooping, the NCAA 9, nothing
31:48
full circle to where our conversation was today for you,
31:52
Doc, We were talking about what's next, what this new era
31:56
of college athletics is going to look like.
31:58
It's my belief the 20 and a half million dollars that
32:01
universities are going to go, it's not going to cover
32:02
everything. And we're going to go back to
32:04
the days where it's going to be a lot of shadiness and a lot of
32:07
under the table type of dealings.
32:09
How do you see financially things for now, the student
32:12
athletes? How's it going to look now in
32:13
this next era? You know, I'm going to close my
32:17
eyes and if I, if I try to imagine 2028, I think it'll be,
32:22
you know, a lot different than it was.
32:23
I mean, just think back three years ago.
32:24
We really know what would happen today.
32:26
So I, you know, it's hard to say.
32:29
I don't. I mean, the court case now has
32:32
been resolved and I would anticipate there's going to be
32:35
multiple challenges. There already are Title 9, what
32:38
have you. I I mean, I'm not an attorney,
32:41
but I would, I would think that it largely will remain intact
32:44
that the one question I'm going to have is, and this probably
32:48
would relate to a top five type of scenario and this situation
32:52
would be does college football break out and become have its
32:56
own governance structure? You know, do they remain with
32:59
the NCAA? Does the does the Big 10 in SEC
33:02
in particular remain with the NCAA?
33:04
But but if they do, does football branch out and become
33:07
its own beef dumb within that, you know, as an autonomous is
33:11
there a commissioner football? How is the money regulated?
33:14
Because I, I, the one thing is, you know, I don't know if I see
33:18
it totally. Because the big tenant SEC
33:21
wields so much power, They're not going to be willing to share
33:24
anything. They're not going to say, oh,
33:26
let's go have 70 teams under this one Super League proposal
33:29
and everybody gets paid the same.
33:31
Well, the big tenant SEC make way more than everybody else.
33:35
So they're not going to be willing, you know, the Iowa is
33:37
not going to be willing to share more with Iowa State, let alone
33:40
everybody else. You know, I mean, why would Ohio
33:41
State say, well, we're going to take less so Kansas State can be
33:44
the same, same as us. That's just not going to happen.
33:46
So I so I think that that's going to be something that's
33:50
going to really come out. And and then as far as paying
33:53
athletes goes, I mean that 20.5 is a starting point.
33:57
It's not going to be what it is in three years.
33:59
It's not going to be what it is in five years.
34:01
You know, it's just going to go up from there and it's going to
34:03
be interesting to see how schools manage that because it's
34:07
just gonna get more and more difficult to to to spend that
34:10
money on those athletes. 11 more from your list.
34:13
It was #7 but and, and I was totally dead wrong that you mean
34:18
to tell me that in some guys cable bill in Boise, ID or
34:22
Gunquit, Maine, there's going to be essentially a Big 10 network
34:25
tax. And I'm going to have to pay
34:27
$0.10 because I'm out of the Big 10 footprint and I don't give a
34:30
damn about college sports. But it's going to be on my cable
34:33
bill. This is never going to fly a Big
34:36
10 network going to compete against Acbs or a Fox or an
34:41
ESPN. And Doc not only has it, it's
34:44
thrived. It was the impetus behind
34:47
obviously the SEC and the AC PC networks and they still remain
34:51
to this day. Sure, the PAC 1012 network was
34:54
part of the failure of that conference, but the Big 10
34:57
Network and Jim Delaney out in front of everybody on this and
35:03
boy, he got one right. Yeah, he did, absolutely.
35:06
I mean, it was funny. You know how they put it
35:08
together, which was, you know what the, you know, that they
35:12
orchestrated it on a napkin and on a beach in Florida and, and
35:16
it kind of, you know, and then to put it together.
35:18
I mean, ESPN, the reason why they got low balled them on an
35:21
offer and wanted them to be more of a sharing agreement with with
35:27
the Big 10 and, and ESPN. And he thought it was Jim
35:29
Delaney thought it was an insult.
35:30
So they put together this their own network.
35:32
It was not easy. If we could remember that first
35:35
year, the the distribution Mediacom wouldn't show it.
35:38
A lot of other net meat cable companies in the Midwest did not
35:42
show this. And it was, you know, it was
35:45
kind of a disaster it seemed like at first because everybody
35:48
locally and they still talk about it fondly about how when
35:51
they when they were growing up, Iowa basketball games were on
35:54
over the air every Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, whatever.
35:58
And that's always a difficult reminder for people, you know,
36:01
when they are having this BTN and it sometimes that still gets
36:04
brought up now with it's on Peacock or the games aren't
36:07
shown in November and on basketball or whatever.
36:09
But but it was it certainly paid off for the big 10.
36:12
I mean, they made a lot of money on it.
36:14
Their exposure for, I mean, women's basketball barely was on
36:18
TV and the other sports barely were on TV.
36:20
And and then they're able to really showcase those sports
36:23
and, you know, and and help the recruiting and all and
36:27
everything. And then, of course, now people
36:29
can watch, you know, a directional school play Ohio
36:33
State on ABGN once a year. And you're able to watch it in a
36:38
different way, certainly. And the Big 10 Network, Jim
36:40
Delaney got that one right, no doubt about it here at the local
36:44
front dock. In the 24 hours Jet Tamala
36:47
decommits from Iowa State, he's going to Alabama.
36:50
Iowa has lost their quarterback for the class of 2026 in
36:54
cashier. Now, maybe I just got a negative
36:57
slope. Maybe it's the cloudy weather
36:58
outside today. I don't know what it is.
37:00
But you know, with high school recruiting, the way things are
37:02
going in the transfer portal and quarterbacks and the way they
37:05
move, I kind of look at this and say, So what?
37:07
The likelihood that a quarterback's going to stick
37:09
around long enough to play a lot of these programs doesn't
37:12
matter. How impactful, though, Do you
37:13
see it, the losses for both Iowa and Iowa State?
37:16
It's easy to be cynical and and it's certainly skeptical and
37:20
somewhat cynical, Trent. And you're right.
37:21
I mean, because I mean, if you're taking the Iowa angle, I
37:25
mean they haven't been able to keep a quarterback that they
37:27
recruited all the way through the end of his eligibility since
37:30
state stamps. I mean, every single one of them
37:33
have gone to a different school with eligibility, including
37:35
several transfer portal guys, you know, in Iowa State.
37:39
You know, it wasn't that, you know, long ago where we're
37:41
talking about JJ Cole, you know, and he's gone and, you know, so
37:45
you really you're figuring on keeping one out of every and one
37:49
quarterback every three years. And in some ways, it's almost
37:51
better for you to to lose out on the front end then get all the
37:55
way to the signing day or a year into it.
37:58
Then you figure, hey, you know what, this guy's got a chance,
38:00
but it might take him two or three years and then they go
38:03
and, and that makes it even more frustrating.
38:05
So I, I mean it, yeah, it's a, it's a tough loss at this point,
38:10
but it's not as challenging, difficult as it once was because
38:14
of the transfer portal. And because everything's so
38:16
transient now, you can really, you know, people, other people
38:20
are going to leave, you know, think about what happens when so
38:23
and so gets fired in November or, you know, they have a bad
38:26
season. You have a good season and
38:28
somebody opens up. I mean, it's, it's a real free
38:31
for all and and, you know, and then there are other really good
38:34
quarterbacks who leave after one year.
38:36
And so I I wouldn't, you know, five years ago, you know, this
38:40
would have been like devastating, you know, but but
38:43
now it's just shrug it off and move on.
38:45
I mean, I think for Iowa person, you know, out of their
38:47
recruiting, I think the lack of defensive lineman is probably
38:51
more concerning than their quarterback situation right now.
38:54
Scott Dockerman from the Athletic Dock.
38:55
Congrats on that piece. It was a great read.
38:58
Reminded me of a lot of things that somehow kind of get pushed
39:01
aside. What do you got coming up this
39:02
week at The Athletic? Yeah, I sat down with Kirk
39:06
Ference yesterday and talked to him about a lot of different
39:09
things. And so I've got a story coming
39:11
out here in the next, I think the next couple days.
39:13
I, I need to write it first, you know, but I got that.
39:19
And then I've got a couple of projects we're working on that's
39:22
really taking up probably more time than it should, but yeah,
39:26
money issues and the like. So yeah, that's kind of my
39:29
summer. It's actually almost as busy as
39:31
it is the fall. So that's what I'm looking at
39:33
right now, guys. Good stuff, doc.
39:34
Appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week.
39:36
Thanks Doc. OK.
39:38
Thank you so much. See you, buddy.
39:39
Scott Dockerman from The Athletic as we cover a variety
39:42
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What do you think? Threw hard.
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Yeah, 100, What was first pitch? It's a top a hundo I think.
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Padres jumped on them right away, thought we were on the
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right side and then there was and.
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Now comes the Dodgers. Man, they're.
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Good. They really are.
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I don't know who I I was just trying to fool myself.
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I think they're the best team in the National League.
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It was like. You took them out of #1 in your
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power. Range last week all the way down
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