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Episode 819: Anxiety Can Be Cured, Really with Daniel Packard · The Trauma Therapist

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Let's get started, all right, Daniel, here we go a five
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or read two and one folkslcome back to the podcast. Very excited to have
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is my guest today, Daniel ackerd Daniel, welcome, Thank you so much
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for having me. I love welcome. I like there's so many there's so
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much content out there and podcasts out there. They're trying to help people,
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and they like to sugarcoat it. And I like the fact that your podcast
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is just it's got the word trauma right in there. You're like, let's
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just get to it. Let's say if you're and if you don't know you
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have trauma, which we all do, uh, then this isn't for you.
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So I'm glad it's not called like the How to Be Great podcasts.
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You're like, no, we're doing it trauma. Let's do it. So
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I appreciate the honesty because it's what the world needs more of it. And
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also I appreciate your audience because most of the world is in total denial that
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they're in trauma. We can see it, but to acknowledge you have it
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and have the courage to face and want to do something about it takes courage.
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So I appreciate your audience in advance for them even being on this show.
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Listening to the show. Daniel is a UC Berkeley mechanical engineer and CEO
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of Permanent Anxiety Solutions who turns his painful battle with severe anxiety into a mission
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to develop an actual, permanent solution for anxiety. After eight years, working
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with three thousand people on five continents and over a million dollars of research and
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testing, Daniel and his team succeeded in reverse engineering, an innovative process that
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solves any type of anxiety permanently with an astounding ninety percent success rate. Daniel
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is here to expose a little secret that mental health industry does not want you
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to know and which explains a real reason your fear and anxiety won't go away.
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And then you learn the two breakthrough discoveries his team has made that will
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help you understand why being free of anxiety is not only possible, but that
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it can even be simple. Please welcome the CEO of Permanent Anxiety Solutions,
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Daniel Hacker. Daniel, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for
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having me guy, And yeah, you know, what we've done took so
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much hard work. And when someone like you read my bio and I think,
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oh, yeah, we did that, that's incredible. It allows me
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to appreciate myself. So thank you for having me. And again, your
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audience is who we want to be helping because these are people that are already
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aware they're in pain and they really want to do something about it. So
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it feels auspicious to be here with you and your audience. Awesome. So
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before we get going and share with the listeners where you're from originally and where
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you are currently. Well, I grew up in the tiny little state of
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California, in a small unheard town of Berkeley, California, and I grew
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up in the US, but about ten years ago, for reasons whatch I'll
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explain, was your audience. Me being healthy and happy became my priority,
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and I thought, you know, the US is pretty good for some things.
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You can go to, you know, the store, the shelter all
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full. But man, this is a hard country. If you're a sensitive
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feeling person, this country it's hard. And so I left ten years ago
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and every year I go live in a new country, usually by the water,
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and go do something fun. So in the last i don't know two
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years, I've been to Estonia and England and now I'm just here in Mexico
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because I always like to come back to Mexico every now and then. Wow,
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so let's jump in here. How the heck did this start? Does
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all this start for you? Well? I want to be clear with the
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it is because what we're doing is innovative and very valuable to your audience,
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I believe, because it's not the way things are done. So I want
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to be really clear in what the it is that we're doing, and then
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I'll tell you kind of how we ended up here. And the IT that
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we're doing is we saw that not just for anxiety, but for really anything
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having to do with fear that can also be PTSD, also procrastination, fear
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failure, fear of social situations, really almost anything where I fear is playing
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a role in it. We saw not only was those were just different symptoms
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of one root cause, but we also discovered a root cause that allowed us
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to all of this, meaning you don't have to live like this forever.
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You can be one hundred percent free of it completely. That's the IT.
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And now your audience is going to know that it's impressive because they've been managing
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and learning about and getting tips and tools, but if they're on this podcast,
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it means it's not gone. So the IT that we're bringing to the
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world is that for multiple symptoms, you can be free of it completely.
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And the way we ended up here was no accident. It was a crap
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ton of hard work and passion and I use this word lightly but almost destiny
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that we figured it out because it wasn't easy. We figured it out,
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meaning a process that gets permanent results because growing up my dad was a scientist,
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and I grew up around science and the idea of building things and measuring
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things. And my dad said something to be very powerful, which was he
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said, you know, Daniel, if something's not working in this world,
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or you don't understand something, you can invent something and make it better.
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And that's because he would go to the store. He'd go, like to
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the electronics store or even the auto parts store, and if the part that
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was available didn't work well, he'd go to his workshop and he'd make his
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own. He'd invent it. And I thought, to me it was the
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coolest thing ever. He was like an x men, you know, the
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inventor, And I love this idea. Don't just settle for what's out there.
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Make something better. And he also said to me, you know,
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Daniel, what I like about science is anybody can have a theory or an
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idea or a concept. He said, but the person you trust and the
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person that knows what they're talking about is is the person that gets results,
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like results really matters. And that idea of results mattering stuck with me,
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and so as a kid, I started inventing things to make things that got
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that would work and get results. I did it for my bicycle and my
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sailboat, and it was very satisfying. So I go to engineering school to
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get sort of professionally trained how to look at complex problems and break them down
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into simple solutions and then create things that work. And I got really good
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at it. Now, the good news was, I got trained how to
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make machines work, but I wasn't trained how to make relationships work. I
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don't know. I don't know if they If it was that was like hidden
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in quantum theory, I don't know, but I didn't know. So I
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in my forties, I fell in love and spoiler alert, we did not
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live happily ever after the relationship. I later found out I was being abused
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emotionally and verbally by a woman, and I was too insecure and codependent to
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leave. It was my fault. I stayed totally. It's on me now.
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I know I'm the only person in your audience wh would ever stay in
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a relationship too long. But that's what I did. And about two weeks
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after it was over, I was talking to a friend and they interrupted me.
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And normally that would have been fine, but all of a sudden,
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my whole body was just filled with terror, and I thought, well,
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that's not a good sign. And then the next day a friend was running
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late to pick me up and my chest tightened up, and I thought I
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was going to die from fear. And I also had the fear of rejection.
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I started procrastinating, I started sabotaging everything. Anyway. I go to
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a therapist and they say, you have fear of rejection, anxiety and complex
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PTSD and I go, Okay, well that sucks, but like, let's
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let's fix this. Let's do this. And so, like your audience,
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what this is in your forties, Yeah, so the first time you'd ever
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experience these symptoms. I probably had some fear of rejection, but yeah,
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this's like the extreme of the nine out of tens. But yeah, the
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anxiety and the complex PTSD, definitely that was post relationship. But it made
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the fear of rejection way worse. And I went, like your audience,
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I went looking for help. And I spent ten years, one hundred grand,
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went to every therapist and psychologist and doctor and guru and retreat and app
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and I did EMBR and e FT and CGT and IFS and MUSC, like
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I did all the letters, guy, I did all the letters from all
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the experts with letters after their name. And while they were well intentioned and
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had some tips and tools to gain awareness, I wasn't free of man and
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I it was that was its own hell when you can't be free of it,
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because I felt more trapped and more broken. And I remember being on
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the floor in my house in the fetal position, just terrified, partly terrified
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because I was always terrified, partly terrified because I felt like am I going
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to be stuck here forever? And I kind of had one of those rock
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bottom moments where I just looked up to the sky and desperation and anger,
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and I just said, like, what what do you? What do you
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want from me? God? Whoever heck? What do you want from me?
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I've been working my butt off for ten years? I did all like
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what what? What? And I sort of I wouldn't say I heard a
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voice, but my inner self said what my dad said, if something's not
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working, you can invent something better and results matter. And when I heard
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that, I looked at this entire trillion dollar industry, therapy, psychology,
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personal development, spirituality, a trillion dollar a year globally gets spent. Some
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of that money was mine, some of that money was your audience, and
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they don't get great results. They don't solve anything usually. And I said,
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maybe just for my own pain, but also others people's pain. I
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said, I'm an engineer. I know how to solve problems. So I
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started my own research company to see if it was possible. Could we find
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simple, fast, permanent solutions for this stuff instead of spending years. I
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didn't know if we could. Honestly, it was way harder than we thought.
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But after three years, I was one of the first test cases.
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I remember waking up one morning and I felt calm, oddly calm, and
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I thought, well, this can't be permanent. This has done. There's
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no way it's got to come back. It always comes back when we goes
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by, two weeks goes by. It's been ten years. I've been chilled
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as a cucumber. No anxiety, no PTSD, no fear of rejection,
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just gone. And when my team saw that, they said we did,
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like we figured it out. And I said, no, I mean we
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figured it out for me, but it's not about me, It's about everyone
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else. Daniel he let me interrupt you for a second, because you're moving
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ahead here and when it catch this juicy stuff. So you decided you're going
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to do something, you create a business. The idea is what the mission
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is to see if it's possible to reverse engineer a process so that in a
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short period of time a person can be free, completely free of what's holding
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them back, and a system that's reliable, meaning it doesn't just work for
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some people, it's it's pretty consistent. That's what was That was our mission
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going in, but holding them back a fear anxiety. Okay, so what
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did you do? Who did you? Did you hire psychologists? What did
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what did you do to affect this kind of change in a sense, Well,
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the first thing we did, and this is not to disparage your industry,
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we looked first of all, results. We looked at results and we
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said, all right, let's look at traditional therapies and modalities and psychologies.
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Let's look at what's out there and available and see if any of this really
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works. And what we saw is none of it solved anything. It was
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tips and tools and management and insight, which is better than nothing. I'm
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not dismissing it, but it wasn't getting the job done. It wasn't solving
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it. So we said, well, wait a minute, we have to
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start from scratch. We have to like completely look at this with fresh eyes,
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otherwise we may accidentally be kind of get a limiting paradigm from the old
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guard. So we started from scratch and we approached it as engineers. To
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look at this from an engineering perspective. Mechanical. Most approaches are spiritual and
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psychological, and that's fine if you want insights and understandings, to have understandings,
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but if you want to solve something fast, efficiently, consistently, you
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don't want speirarititual or mechanical. What you want. We don't want spiritual or
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psychological, you want mechanical. So here's what I mean by that. Again,
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I share this with you. If you're choking and you can't breathe,
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and two people walk up to you, and one person says, hey,
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I notice you're struggling. I think you have a real scarcity mindset around air,
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and I think you're really focusing on your lack of air instead of realizing
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you've seen the abundance and infinitive air that's out there. And also, your
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ego is very attached to living right now in breathing, and that attachment is
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holding you back. So I need you to just let go and surrender to
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the possibilities. Or somebody walks up and goes, here's the deal. Mechanically,
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you have a bit of avocados stuck in your throat. I'm going to
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add mechanical pressure to your stomach. That's gonna put reverse pressure behind the avocado.
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It's going to pop it out of your airways so air can get into
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your lungs and you're going to live in that situation. If you want to
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solve something fast, do you want spiritual, psychological or mechanical. Well,
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it's a mechanical problem, which calls pro a mechanical solution. Yes, exactly.
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Spirituality and psychology has a lot of theories about the problem. It's unresolved.
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This it's this is going on, and it points to what could be
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the issue. But to solve it, to solve it, you want a
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mechanical understanding. Because if somebody just walks up to you and says you need
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to believe in yourself, you lack trust you. You know you're not empowered.
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Okay, these are interesting things to talk about the problem, but that
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won't lead you a fast, efficient solution. How do I know? Myself
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and your audience has gone to retreats and read books where you get this theoretical
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understanding of the problem, But it does it's not mechanical, so you can't
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truly solve it. So the reason we solved it is we were passionate about
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solving it. I can't stress this enough. I believe, and you tell
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me if I'm wrong. Based on my experience from going to a lit lot
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of experts and talking to people every day that go to a lot of experts,
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it seems like the experts are aware that what they're doing, while helpful
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and give insights and management, that they're not solving things quickly. That's not
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the issue to me. My experience was it didn't matter to them that much.
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When I went to my therapists and they couldn't help me that much,
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nobody said, you know what, I'm really sorry I couldn't help you.
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They happily took my money and they just walked away, and I spent thousands
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of dollars. Nobody ever said, I'm really sorry we didn't solve this.
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You're still in pain. To us, it matters to us if we can't
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help you, like we want you free of this and the other thing,
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and you can tell me if I'm wrong. There's not a lot of measurement
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in this industry. They claim they're going to help you, and help is
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a nice word, and some help is going on, But when I went
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to my therapist and psychologists and even my trauma therapist, there was no real
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scientific measurement. Okay, here's where you're starting. We're going to track your
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results throughout the program, and if you don't get results, we're not going
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to charge you. There was none of that. There wasn't a passion for
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like real results. And I think, can you tell me if I'm wrong?
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Why do you think that is? Why do you think there's not more
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passion and focus on a permanent solution and measurable results. What do you think?
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Well, first of all, I think it's we have to be careful
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when we're making sweeping generalizations about a whole community. You know, I don't
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think that's fair because I think a lot of people listening certainly going to say
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they're passionate about what they're doing, and there are ways to measure results within
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therapy, and to be fair, there are a lot of people out there,
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a lot of therapists out there who aren't educated in doing this. There
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are a lot of therapists out there who if they can't help you, are
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or are unable to slash not educated enough to do that, won't say anything.
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All those things are true, but we can't sweepingly say that the whole
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industry all therapists aren't passionate about finding solutions, aren't measuring things well, you're
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right, right, I mean there's millions and millions and millions of well intentioned
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people. I interacted with, probably fifty of them. I talk to people
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every day who talk to probably thousands and one hundred percent. Right, it's
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I'm I don't know what it is in each individual person's heart, And You're
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right, there are exceptions to what I'm saying. I'm pointing to a trend
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that I noticed, and the reason I'm pointing it out is not to disparage
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or dismiss the people that are out there on the front lines, like yourself,
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trying to help people. That is not what I'm trying to do.
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What I'm trying to illuminate is that I saw a real gap between the level
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of expertise that was out there and fast, permanent solutions, and how that
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was the priority. And the reason it matters is because when I went to
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all these people and I didn't get permanent solutions, I ended up blaming myself,
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thinking it was my fault, and I felt more trapped and broken.
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That's what I'm pointing to, not to disparage the professionals, just to wake
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people because guy, I spent one hundred grand man and after one hundred thousand
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dollars and questionable results, I didn't go, holy crap, that's a problem.
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I'm a little irritated. If I took my car to a mechanic and
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one hundred thousand dollars later it still didn't turn on, I would be pissed
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off. I'd be on Yelp. But I would go to retreats and therapists
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and psychologists questionable results, and like it didn't bother me. That's what I'm
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pointing to. But also I do think it's fair to say I'll just say
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this, we were passionate about one thing and one thing only, which was
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a permanent solution. That's all we cared about. And because that was our
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only focus, I believe we were much more likely to find it because it's
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all we wanted and it's all we cared about, and we were measuring and
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tracking it the whole time to know what didn't work and what did work.
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And when I say what worked, I mean your fear and anxiety levels went
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down and stayed down, because not all help is the same. You can
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help someone feel chill for five minutes, ten minutes. Meditation will do that.
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But our measurement of success that we were constantly measuring and building a system
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was to track where the people's levels going down steadily, consistently, and when
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they the symptom went away, it stayed away. That's what we were focused
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on, and I think that's why we found it. Okay, so we
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got people listening to this who are saying, Okay, this sounds great.
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I'm not asking you to disclose any you know, specific details, but you
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got to give us something. What did you do that was different? How
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did you approach this that was different from the previous therapies you had experienced?
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Excellent question. Okay, there's two answers, And again I want to share
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this through the perspective of not diminishing what other people are doing. Just highlighting
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why what we do is more effective. Okay, and when I talk about
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mental health professionals or therapists, I'm talking in the trend. I'm sure there
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are exceptions, but let's just you know, it's helpful to look at trends.
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So we looked at things and we looked at where do people get fast,
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efficient, permanent results. Well, ideally a good mechanic, a good
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contractor maybe a gardener, maybe a dentist. And we said they're getting fast,
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consistent results. Why, Like, what's going on there? So let
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me ask you, if you need a root canal and you go to a
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dentist, do they use one or two tools or do they have multiple tools
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that are designed to work together to get the job done. My guess is
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the latter. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's a system's approach. They've
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been trained in this system of how to open up a in a way that's
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not too painful, clean out the infection, pack it in with something,
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and make it better. And they and you can see the tools on their
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thing. It's a specific toolkit. There's not a chainsaw there, there's not
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a bulldozer there, there's no hammers. It's a specific toolkit. That's an
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optimized over a while to get the job done. Now generally speaking my experience,
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but can you see it's some people's experience that when we go looking for
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help with procrastination anxiety PTSD, we usually will learn from somebody maybe one technique
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or one tool or sort of one insight from one person, and then we'll
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kind of run over here and we'll learn one tool and one technique and from
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another person. We saw that to turn this around, you needed a complete,
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holistic set of tools that is designed to work together. That's what we've
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developed is a system. And can you see that most people out there seeking
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help don't get a system of tools that are designed to work together. They're
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usually going from person to person getting one or two tools here, trying this
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and trying that. Can you see the difference? Do you see the difference?
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Yeah? I mean I think that you know, uh, many therapists
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try to uh. I mean, if they're if they're interested in learning about
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trauma. There are many more different modalities, right, and it's very difficult
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to be efficient in several different modalities. And I think that's what you're speaking
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to, right. There might be one therapist who is good, who is
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specialized in IFS or another therapist who specialize in emd R. Some therapists might
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have a larger toolkit, but I think those are the exception. Yeah,
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and that may be why they They've got something that they've seen helps, they're
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passionate about it, and they teach it. Nothing wrong with that. The
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downside is if what needs to happen is a full set of tools that works
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together to get the job done, it's problematic. Like if you if you,
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if you know, there's a and they have a paint brush, you
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know, and you say, hey, can you help me rebuild my house?
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And they say, well, I've got a paintbrush. Now, like
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I need a hammer, I need screwdrivers, I need shovels. So I'm
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telling your audience you probably went to well intentioned people that were pretty good at
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a couple tools and techniques that will help you manage things. What we saw,
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Goddess the results was a complementary set of tools that work together in tandem.
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That's why we're able to solve it. There's no magical thing, it's
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just a system's approach. The second thing is is usually whenever we go to
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do something, whether it's baking, whether it's gardening. When we're trying to
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create real change to something, usually what we get is instructions what to do
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in what order for how long. That's what a recipe is. If you
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want to make chocolate chip cookies and you ask someone, they don't just hand
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you flour and eggs, and you say, good luck, would know what
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to do? What order? What goes first? Do I put the egg
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in the oven first? Or do I put or oh, I got to
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mix them first, then I put them in the oven. Well, how
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long do I put them in the oven? At what temperature? Even if
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you have all the tools, if you don't have the instructions, the timing,
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the repetition, and the order. It's the difference between a burnt cracker
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and a three layer wedding cake. So the usually people are going to the
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experts getting some tools and techniques and they're like, here you go. Good
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luck. Our system works because as you're going through it, it's laid out
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very intentionally. On this day, do this this amount of times in this
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order for this long day. Two, do this, then do that,
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then do this. And we've been testing and optimizing the program to get the
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order and the sequence and the timing just right such that if you work the
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steps, you get the results. That's how we get a ninety percent success
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rate. We've been testing this, so that's the other there's no special insight
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that we saw. It was that to solve this you need a set of
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tools and you need specific instructions on how to get the job done. And
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if you don't have that, you have what I had is you end up
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very confused. A lot of your listeners know a lot, they know a
25:10
lot of tools and insights and modalities. But man, it was almost like
25:12
the more I learned, the more confused I felt. And so in our
25:17
program, our system, it takes the guest work out. You don't have
25:19
to figure anything out. You need to show up every day and we'll take
25:23
out the guest work because we know you're confused. Just work the steps and
25:27
get the results. So let me just remind everyone I'm speaking with Daniel Packard
25:33
of Permanent Anxiety Solutions. Okay, so we've got listeners of the podcast who
25:40
are saying, all right, you know I've got anxiety, I've got a
25:44
lot of fear and or trauma. I'm going to go to your website I'm
25:49
interested in, you know, checking you out, enjoying. What am I
25:55
going to find? What am I going to see? Not much. What
26:00
you're going to find is an option to talk to me, and you're going
26:03
to get a basic outline of our program, the structure, how it's laid
26:07
out, the basic modules, what you do each day, what you're responsible
26:11
for. The reason we don't put too much there is because when I first
26:17
developed this with my team, we figured out a way for people to be
26:21
free of this stuff. And then when we saw how skeptical people we were
26:25
where people were, we thought what we've decided is innovative, and we couldn't
26:30
get people to try it. And we found out people were too skeptical because
26:33
it sounds too good to be true, be free of this stuff. People
26:34
have had it their whole lives, and I'm some rando on the internet saying
26:38
I and plus they've been burned in the past with people and coaches over promising
26:42
and under delivering. So this gentleman came to me. His name was Jonathan.
26:47
He had crippling anxiety and panic attacks, and he met somebody at a
26:51
party who used to have crippling anxiety and panic attacks and this person told Jonathan
26:56
about what we do, so he reaches out to us and he says,
26:57
I'd like some help. I said great, and logically he wanted his anxiety
27:02
and panic attacks gone. But he's like, I just don't think this is
27:06
going to work. And I understood why everything else had failed him, and
27:08
also now he felt broken and like he's going to fail. So he was
27:14
he was on the verge of taking his own life. And I just said,
27:18
look, man, just do the program. Just do it when it
27:22
works. If you want to pay me at the end, I don't care.
27:23
Just here, take the medicine. And he said what I said,
27:26
just do it. So because there was no risk, he did it,
27:32
and about four weeks in his anxiety his panic attacks went away in the first
27:36
week and his anxiety was down by about seventy percent by week four, and
27:41
he said, I just want to thank you for giving me my life back.
27:45
My wife says, thank you for giving me your husband back, but
27:47
also thank you for letting me try it, because I wouldn't have done it,
27:51
and that gave birth to our no change, no charge guarantee, which
27:53
is when you work with us, you don't pay at the beginning. You
27:56
only pay at the end when you get results. Now, why am I
28:00
bringing this up one because that's incredible because if your audience is listening to me,
28:03
they're thinking that you can't get rid of the stuff quickly. Really,
28:08
if you work with us, you only pay at the end when you have
28:11
measurable results. So this is an answer to your website question. We don't
28:15
put a lot on the website because this offer that I'm telling you right now,
28:21
we have a system to solve this and if it doesn't work, you
28:23
don't pay. That's the most important information. If that doesn't grab you,
28:26
if that doesn't motivate, you don't work with us. So hold on a
28:32
second. That makes a lot of sense. That's very intriguing. But my
28:36
question wasn't so much a website question. It was more of a program.
28:38
So is this an online thing? Is it a group live group thing?
28:42
Is this last six months? What is the program? Totally fair, So
28:48
it's a six week online program. Everything is automated. That was part of
28:52
the gift of the world is we won't wanted to make it affordable and accessible
28:55
around the world, so you don't need to talk to anybody one on one.
28:59
So there are video there's four modules. Each module is ten days long.
29:03
Each module. It's the basic same structure. You have a ninety minute
29:07
video that's going to teach you the theory. Then you have a thirty minute
29:08
video that teaches you the exercise you'll be doing. Then, four times a
29:12
day for five minutes minimum, you apply this exercise that mechanically is addressing the
29:18
root cause of what's creating the problem. And it's through that constant repetition that's
29:23
healing the root cause. But you're also building the daily habit also in the
29:30
course, because we don't want people to try and fail. There's a huge
29:33
library of audio recordings taken from my one on one coaching sessions with people where
29:37
I'm answering basic questions to people so that as you go through the program,
29:41
when you have a question, it's already been answered and you don't get stuck.
29:45
We do not want people to fail. So that's kind of what's in
29:48
the program. That's the basics. But I want to explain. I guess
29:56
your audience still wants to know what it is because they're like, well,
29:57
do I have a religious wakening to it? Lick a psychedelic frog, Like,
30:00
what is it like? What's in the videos. So just to give
30:04
some context of what mechanical means, I want to give you and your audience
30:11
sort of an inner mechanical lesson on what they're feeling and experiencing. It'll give
30:15
them sort of a sample of what we're doing before they do it. Is
30:19
that okay? Sure, Okay, So again I'm gonna explain to you our
30:26
take on human struggle. It's a theory. Now, it's not just theory.
30:32
It's what we've used to solve things at ninety percent. But from your
30:34
audience's perspective, it's a theory. But just know this theory is what allowed
30:37
me to be free of this completely, and it's what allows us to have
30:41
a ninety percent success rate and allows us to only get paid when we get
30:45
results. So this is solid theory. This isn't just like I didn't just
30:47
wake up, smoke, get high and be like, oh my god,
30:48
you know what I think anxiety is? I think anxiety? This is no,
30:52
this has been tested. So essentially what's going on is that if you
31:02
look underneath almost every human struggle, procrastination, overthinking, anxiety, trauma,
31:11
fear, fear of rejection, fear of social situations. Mechanically, those are
31:15
symptoms. They are symptoms of not feeling safe from within, just not feeling
31:26
safe. You, of all people, understand this because you work in trauma.
31:30
Can you see that if you don't feel safe, it's going to create
31:36
fear, and then if you have that fear, it may lead to procrastination.
31:42
Yeah? Sure, yeah. Can you see that if you don't feel
31:45
safe inside, something can happen on the outside, maybe a little bit of
31:49
stress, a little bit of challenge. But instead of just feeling stress,
31:52
if you don't feel safe inside, you're going to feel it at a much
31:56
higher level because you're not stable and solid and you're going to feel quote unquote
31:59
anxious. Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean I think yeah.
32:01
Sure. If you don't feel in safe inside, your mind follows your body
32:07
because your mind is a problem solving tool to get the body what it wants.
32:09
When first you feel hunger in the body, and then the mind says,
32:13
oh, we're hungry, where should we order food? So if you
32:15
feel unsafe in the body, your mind thinks there's a problem, and we'll
32:20
start spinning and catastrophizing thinking there's a problem to solve. So can you see
32:23
that on some level, people aren't overthinkers such that more so, anxiety overthinking
32:30
is a symptom of not feeling safe. Makes sense? Yeah, Okay,
32:37
so mechanically people don't have anxiety. Mechanically, people aren't procrastinators, people don't
32:44
have ptsd'. That's naming a cluster of behaviors. But I'm saying it's from
32:51
feeling unsafe from within mechanical. Okay, So then the next question your audience
32:57
wants to know is why the heck do I think feel unsafe? Right?
33:01
Like? Why did this small thing make me feel like I'm gonna die?
33:05
Why when I'm sitting at home trying to netflix some chill and does it feel
33:07
like there's a tiger in the room? Why why am I so afraid?
33:14
And the answer is it's mechanical. And you and I did this exercise sort
33:19
of a longer version already, but I'll condense it for your audience. Okay,
33:22
So we're gonna do a little role play here, and in this role
33:28
play, we're friends. Okay, And when I talk to you guy,
33:30
I'm also talking to your audience. What I'm trying to show you here is
33:34
that feeling safe and feeling unsafe is not complicated or mysterious. It's very mechanical.
33:38
And if it's mechanical, it means it's solvable. So let's say we're
33:42
friends and all of a sudden, every day I start to treat you like
33:47
crap, and I mean to you, I'm unkind to you. I don't
33:51
give a crap about you. I know what you need, and I'm not
33:52
there for you. I put everybody else ahead of you. I know what
33:57
scares you, and I do it anyway. And when I see you in
34:00
trouble, I leave you alone. And I don't care if I do that
34:05
every day. Are you gonna feel safe and calm around me? Or unsafe
34:08
and anxious? Yeah the ladder of course. Well yeah, of course,
34:14
Because it's mechanical. It's like, if you do this, I'm gonna feel
34:16
that way, right, Okay, So next level, just basic mechanics,
34:22
just showing your audience that maybe this is simpler. On the counter three,
34:24
I want you guy and your audience to say, the way you're treating me
34:30
is leave me feeling unsafe. Okay, So on the counter three, just
34:32
say the way you're treating me leaves me feeling unsafe. One two three the
34:38
way you're treating me, leaving me feeling unsafe? What is wrong with you?
34:44
Why do you feel this way? Seriously, you're fine, chill out,
34:49
man. And also your feelings, whatever's going on with you, keep
34:52
it away from me. I'm trying to get stuff done, and your feelings
34:55
and whatever this is is bothering me and it's annoying and it needs to stop.
35:00
So whatever you're struggling with, get away from me. You're on your
35:02
own. Does that leave you feeling more unsafe and more anxious or more calm
35:09
and safe? Right, I'm hanging up, You're hanging out. I don't
35:13
want to talk to you anymore. No, no, you don't. But
35:16
can you see if I treat you that way mechanically, you're gonna feel unsafe.
35:20
Sure, So I'm not doing this to traumatize anyone. And I'm sorry.
35:27
I know a lot of you are saying, Daniel, you're an incredible
35:29
actor. You must have had one semester of acting to put I hate to
35:31
do that to you. It's for the sake of science. What I'm trying
35:34
to show is if certain things happen, your body will feel unsafe. Once
35:37
you feel unsafe, that can show up as procrastination anxiety PTSD ocd ADHD.
35:45
Okay, Now, the beauty of mechanics is, if you understand the mechanics
35:51
of how to move something in one direction, you know the mechanics of how
35:54
to move something in another direction. If you know the mechanics of how to
35:58
lose weight, which is you burn more calorie reason you eat, with the
36:00
exact same theory, you know how to gain weight, which is you eat
36:04
more calories than you burn. So we figured out what's making people anxious and
36:08
how and feeling unsafe and how to help them feel safe. And here's why.
36:15
In this role play, we're in a friend relationship. But is it
36:19
fair to say that you're also in a relationship with with yourself? Definitely?
36:23
Definitely, And is it fair to say that sometimes, maybe even daily,
36:29
you're not so loving and caring to yourself without a doubt, I think a
36:35
lot of us are like that. Yes, your audience knows it. Your
36:39
audience knows their hard on th self, the perfectionism, the pressure. Your
36:44
audience already knows that. What your audience doesn't know, and this is what
36:46
the data revealed, those daily acts of not being loving and kind to yourself
36:53
have been building for years and years and years and have basically made you feel
36:59
untrue, trusting, and unsafe in your own body. That's where the unsafety
37:05
is coming from, not the outside world, but the inside world. From
37:09
two things. One is an accumulation over time, meaning ten to twenty,
37:15
ten to thirty times a day people do this. It's been building and building
37:17
and building and building. But also it's still going on right under people's noses
37:24
ten to thirty times a day. They're doing things that are basically re scaring
37:30
themselves and leaving them feeling unsafe. And so if you're still doing it to
37:35
yourself every day, can you understand that no meditation, no insight, no
37:40
tip or tool is going to get rid of the symptom because what's causing the
37:45
problem you're still doing every day. Can you see that? Yeah? I
37:49
can see that. Yeah. So the downside is, again this is what
37:55
we solve from the data and working with three thousand people. There's a direct
37:59
mechanical link between these small we call them micro neglects that people are doing to
38:04
themselves every day. And just like if you neglect your diet, years later
38:07
you can end up with a heart attack. If you neglect, brushing and
38:10
teeth. Eventually it's going to accumulate and you can need a root canal.
38:15
What we didn't see is this accumulated neglect of your feelings has been building and
38:19
building and building and mechanically causing this feeling on safety and nobody's seeing that,
38:23
and that's why they're not able to address it and get rid of it.
38:28
But if we want to turn this around quickly, why is it good news
38:32
to think? Whoa what? If what I'm feeling is just a symptom of
38:37
the little daily actions that I've been treating myself. If we want to turn
38:40
this around and solve it, why is that good news? Why is that
38:45
good news? Because it's i mean, just tangible. Right, we can
38:50
take action on it exactly exactly a lot of times people get told concepts like
38:57
believe in yourself, Well, what theft does that mean? Like that's not
39:00
an actionable step? Or you know, let it go? What what's the
39:04
d How do I? What? What? What? What? What?
39:07
But when someone's overweight, they can take actionable steps every day of like eat
39:12
more salads and less potato chips. It's all actionable. So the program is
39:16
based on little, simple actionable steps that accumulate over time such that you feel
39:22
safe measurably. When you feel safe from within, the symptom goes away and
39:25
doesn't come back. Now you and I did a little sort of mini version
39:30
of this before this call, and I want and I'm just curious because what
39:35
I'm talking about is theoretical to your audience, But just if you, if
39:38
you feel comfortable, tell them what was your experience of what we did and
39:44
if there if there's any value in it that you saw. Yeah, I
39:46
will, I mean, uhh, yeah, And I want to just be
39:50
mindful of the time here because we're kind of closing down. But it was
39:55
it was very powerful to me. We did this uh experience where it invited
40:01
me to look at how I was uh the way, the way in which
40:08
I was speaking to myself in a many times over the course of the day
40:15
in a not so positive way, and you can feel it. You can
40:19
feel how those add up. And we weren't oftentimes not even aware of it.
40:24
That's the key. You're not aware of it. If you're unaware of
40:28
calories, you'll end up obese. No one's aware of this simple thing.
40:32
And when we did our exercise, I remember you're the fear level that you
40:37
felt went from an eight to a five from a little, you know,
40:39
four minute exercise. But then, remember I asked you, I said,
40:43
hey, remember that thing that makes you anxious, try to be anxious about
40:45
it again. And you sort of smiled and you said, huh, it's
40:50
it's harder. It's like it's not as scary. Do you remember that part?
40:52
Yeah, I do, I do that. Yeah, that's very valuable.
40:58
I mean, I think what you're doing is I was just thinking if
41:01
therapists, just regular therapists, didn't charge their clients until they saw resolved,
41:08
no one would get paid. Thank you for admitting that. I know a
41:14
lot of that. I'm not going to say all of them, none of
41:16
that, but right, and I don't want to make a generalization, but
41:17
a lot of them wouldn't because it it we're led to believe that all of
41:22
this takes a long time and should take a long time. I want to
41:28
truly honor your honesty around this topic because people have told me, hey,
41:31
when my clients go through in six weeks after years of therapy, they didn't
41:37
get it. It's gone in six weeks. They've asked me why the heck
41:42
didn't these experts see it? And I said, I don't know what's in
41:45
anybody's heart, but I think it's just the environment that they are trained in.
41:51
It's just it's the acceptable way to do things. And what we did
41:54
was innovative and and guy, it was it was so much hard work.
42:00
You have a good business going, you help people, they pay you,
42:02
you pay bills, you raise your kids. I dropped everything for eight years.
42:07
I worked with addicts in South Africa for two years. Like it was
42:09
so much work, man, And I was possessed by solving it. But
42:14
if you're a therapist or a psychologist and you're you're helping people and you're making
42:17
decent money, why work this hard? So it's not that you don't care.
42:22
But I will say we were passionately focused about solving it. And because
42:25
we were outsiders of this industry, we could leave the old the old guard
42:30
behind and try something new. And also the key is I don't want people
42:36
thinking like, oh wait, so I'm just gonna like talk to myself and
42:38
my anxiety is gonna go a way? What so I'm just gonna like he's
42:40
a mathrom No, this was just a proof of concept to show you that
42:45
it's possible. The secret sauce is not any one particular thing. It's the
42:50
system with the set of tools and the instructions in just the right order.
42:55
That's why when people say how can you how can you guarantee results, it's
43:00
because we've been testing the system. It's the system that gets results. And
43:04
this is why this is great for your audience. A lot of your audience
43:06
feels too broken. We don't help nearly enough people because they're not motivated to
43:13
work with us because unconsciously they believe I've already tried this and I've failed and
43:16
it made me feel worse, So why would I try your thing again?
43:19
And what I want to tell your audience is I get it. But the
43:22
system just works. So if it's like saying, oh, I broke my
43:27
bone, and I say go to the doctor and m not put a cast
43:30
on it, and you're like, no, I'm too broken to be fixed.
43:32
No my childhood, no no no. If it's mechanical and it's a
43:37
system that works, it's going to work. So to all you out there
43:38
who think you're too broken to be fixed, we are so confident that if
43:43
you do our program, you do not pay a penny to the end,
43:45
and we do that for two reasons. One is otherwise we won't be able
43:49
to help people because they're too skeptical. But also we do not want you
43:52
to fail. We want you to succeed, but more than anything, we
43:55
do not want to fail and make you feel worse. So the pro the
44:00
system has been optimized so that you can not fail. That said, as
44:06
good as this sounds, guy, before I go, almost nobody on your
44:10
podcast is going to want to work with us because what we've found is change
44:16
is scary and when you've had this a long time, logically people want it
44:22
gone. But have you seen that people almost are almost afraid to let go
44:25
of what holds them back? Have you seen that? Of course? Yeah?
44:30
Yeah, So I'm telling you have a program not even sent success rate.
44:34
If it doesn't work, you don't pay. We're with you every step
44:36
of the way. We won't. That logically sounds great, but the people
44:39
that work with us are skeptical but have an open mind. And also they
44:45
have something in their life that they want bad enough that their limitation is keeping
44:50
them from Because you need motivation to do this. So to the one on
44:52
a thousand people that's out there to listen to this. If whatever you're holding
44:55
back is keeping you from what you want. If you want to be more
45:00
successful at work, if you want a more loving relationship, if you want
45:02
to feel comfortable in your own skin, if you want to wake up each
45:06
morning feeling energized and looking forward to day. If you want to be a
45:08
better parent, a better spouse, if you just want to do what you
45:13
love. If that motivation is there, that's who should reach out to us,
45:19
because that's what we hear. We're not in the anxiety fear of business.
45:22
We are giving people the life they deserve business, and that takes motivation.
45:25
So do you do you one in the thousand people out there who are
45:29
like I want that life and I'm willing to change to do it. You're
45:32
who we want to help. All right, So as we kind of wind
45:36
down here, how do those people get in contact with you? Well,
45:40
I like things simple and mechanical. So my name, my name is Daniel
45:44
Packard. Just go to mechanic. Go to Daniel Packer dot com. Okay,
45:47
you can get some basic information on the program, just to fill in
45:51
the blanks, and then you can sign up to have a call with me.
45:55
And when we have a call, two things. When you can ask
45:59
some questions. You know, you want to feel informed, like what is
46:01
this what does it look like? You can find out more about our no
46:05
change, no charge guarantee, like how does that work? And how do
46:07
we measure and all that stuff? How do we know you get results?
46:10
And then also as we're talking, I'm just double checking for sure that the
46:14
program is going to work for you a to protect us because we only get
46:16
paid at the end. But also the last thing we want anybody to do
46:21
is try and fail. So on the call, I'm making sure you're a
46:23
good candidate for the program. Almost everybody is, but I need to double
46:28
check for both of our sake. So if you like what you're hearing,
46:30
you want to learn more and you want to book a free call with me
46:32
to see if this is a good fit for you. Daniel Packard dot com
46:37
awesome R Daniel, excited to get this out there. We'll be in touch
46:40
and uh, super inspiring. Man. I really appreciate it. Thank you
46:47
God, Thank you to your audience. Byek Sure the King day, the
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