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One Piece, 467-469 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is spoil Me covering One Piece episodes
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four sixty seven through four sixty nine. Nice even if it means death Loofy
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versus the Navy. The battle starts, hard battles one after another, Devil
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Fruit Eaters versus Devil Fruit Eaters, and Kuma's transformation, Eva's blow of anger.
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In these episodes, we have got a lot of people sort of finally
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deciding whose side they're on, and a long sequence of a marriage between Boa,
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Hancock and Louvi. Truly, you guys so puzzling. Welcome to spoil
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Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very
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much to Florian for commissioning this episode. Y'all. Yes, this is a
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real weird one in its ways. There are spots where it just feels very
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one piece, and then there are places where I was like, what is
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this? What is happening here? So I'm just gonna start off at the
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beginning. These are and this tends to be the case. When you guys
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have booked like three episodes in a row for one recording, those episodes usually
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are very overlapping to the point where, like you know, I usually jump
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ahead so that I can skip the credits because it's often got spoilers in it,
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and I usually try to get to the spot ideally where you have like
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the title card, even though I don't want to try and read them.
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The title card is the signal. Okay, we have finished with like the
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previously ons, and now we're getting into like the meat of the new episode.
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But in these a lot of the time, even after the title card,
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we're getting full repeats of scenes in the previous episode. And I was
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really surprised, like the third episode out of these three, it was it
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was so much just like going back over scenes that had just happened. But
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you know, like I find it frustrating when I'm watching it one after the
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other, but I have to imagine them. When these were airing like once
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a week, you needed that kind of reminder. So all right, let's
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start off with even if it means death, because this is when you know,
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we had all of our Lufy and his friends sailing through the sky with
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the amazing narration of like you may wonder why Lufy and his friends are sailing
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in the sky in the last episode, and I really enjoy that the arrival
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here and the way that Sengoku is like, it turns out trying to fake
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them out. When he said that he was moving up Ace's execution, I
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keep wanting to say Ace's assassination, and I think it's just like the alliteration
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that's sort of appealing to me, and my brain just wants that to be
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what it is. But it I really liked the fact that he had been
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trying to trick them, because you guys, it didn't even occur to me.
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It's one of the things about this show, and it sort of winds
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up working in its favor. But there is a sort of inconsistency in tone
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sometimes where the show will make people much more foolish than you think they should
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be, all things considered, And then sometimes you'll get in a groove of
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being like, well, kind of like a lot of people in this are
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fools, and then all of a sudden they'll bust out with like except this
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guy, and it catches you off guard in a way that feels at times
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like all right, well that's not really fair. But also I like being
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surprised, so I guess I don't mind underestimating most characters as long as I
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get to have these little moments of like, oh, you thought you knew
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it was going on, you know. Florence says, yeah, this section
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is really padded out, but is also a lot going on, lots of
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small pieces moving. Yeah, And I think that's gonna be like my main
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challenge in talking about these, because we jump around from fight to fight in
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a way that's like really ea, it's easy to forget like a particular character
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and mentioning what's going on with them. So it's apologies if there's any like
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section or interaction that folks listening are like, I can't believe that she didn't
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mention xyz. I'm really doing my best. I have the episode like up
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in another tab that I look at to remind me of things. But sometimes
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it's just hard to get to everything or you know, know what's important and
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what's not. That's another part, because some things can turn out to be
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really crucial later on that you just didn't pay much attention to immediately. So
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this is like, you know, we have the thing with Crocodile attempting to
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take down white Beard and Loofy stepping in. It's really funny because he's like
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in mid air and Whitebeard I don't know if he knew that Lufi was going
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to save him, or if he just assumed somebody had his back and he
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just wasn't sure who. Whatever the case, white Beard doesn't move a muscle.
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He's just like you never learn, do you? And for his part,
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Lufy's just I like, this dude has brought his entire army here to
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save Ace. So he's on my side, and yeah, I'm not going
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to let you hurt him. Like what do you think I'm gonna do?
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It's you know, I said last time, Like, Crocodile, what was
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your bigger plan here? You have to know that this is not going to
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work out. But Lufy's position on this and him being like, you know,
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I get you want to save your brother, so go ahead and do
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that and stay out of my way, I'm like, you are threatening to
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kill the other primary ally in the saving Ace equation before Ace is saved.
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Why would he get out of your way? This is like key, this
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is a this is a crucial player in the game. Just wait a second,
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Crocodile, hold your horses until after the rescue, and then just do
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some shit whatever, you know. But yeah, he's just not really thinking
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too clearly here. I love to Marco watching and saying, I guess it
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runs in the family. There comes a point a little bit later where white
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Beard is telling Marco like not to let anything happen to Loofy, and he's
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just like a a But in the immediate moment he's just telling Lufy, you're
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fucking everything up. What are you even doing here? And it's really funny,
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you guys, because they show Loofy standing next to him and white Beard
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is it looks like about fifteen feet tall. He is so huge, and
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I think that, like overall, this is the part of the show that
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I find the most confusing. And I know that that's something that's like just
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a wild statement in general, because one piece is bonkers, so anything being
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confusing, like how do you quantify which one is the most But for me,
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it definitely is like the relative size of all of these different beings.
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We have actual giants, but then we have people who are just like way
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taller than other people, and then we have like the supersize ors type giants.
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It is really tough for me to like understand. And I don't know
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if we get an explanation of this, but it seems like at this point,
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anybody who's like a warlord has an actual bigger body, And I'm like,
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does this happen because they become warlords? Is this like a change in
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their body because of the sheer amount of power that they contain and control that
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their body has to grow in order to contain it, you know, because
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otherwise it sort of just seems like too much of a coincidence that all the
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warlords are so huge. So I don't know, but Boa is not.
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She's not particularly big, is she. And of course she's always going to
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be the exception to anything because she's a woman, and there only can be
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one woman in any given grouping, so whatever is going on with her is
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not going to be representative of like the average. But I was just trying
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to remember, and I think that she's kind of like an average sized woman.
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She's like tall, but not abnormally tall. So the whole vibe from
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white Beard, he's really delighted with Loofy and the fact that he's like,
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you know, come out here and just declaring for himself. And I love
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when he says, don't come crying to me, and Lufy's like, well,
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I'm not old like you are, so I'm not a don't worry about
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me. And this is when we get on into the like real the news
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stuff, because Lufy decides that he's going to be the one who rescues Ace,
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and by the end of these three episodes, he is the one closest
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to Ace physically, like he is he has nearly reached him. But we
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jump over briefly, and I think this is the only time we see these
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two in these three episodes. UH to Kobe and Helmepo and how Mepo is
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like, what the hell is Lufy doing? Why would you like bust out
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of a prison and then come straight to Navy HQ. How stupid can you
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be? Like I'd be hiding under my bed right now if I were him,
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And Kobe is like, he's not He's not stupid, He's loofy.
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This is the only way he knows. And I thought that that was sort
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of a weird way to say it. I get what he means, but
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like, and it is sort of funny too that Helmepo's is, well,
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why didn't he just run away and hide? Because he's not a He's not
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a piece of shit pussy like you are. Helmetpo no offense. Somebody that
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he loves is about to get fucking executed, and he's gonna do something about
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it. And I know that's probably difficult for you to wrap your weird blonde
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head around, but I'm sorry. If the people close to you would have
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just been executed without you lifting a finger, I will freely admit likely would
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also be the case in my situation. If somebody I love we're about to
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get executed. I don't feel like I would probably wage war about it,
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because I'm just not that type. But Helmepo just being like, oh,
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he's so stupid. Is he stupid? Or are you or are you just
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completely missing the point? Bud, I think it's that second one. So
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there's a kind of multi episode through line with Ace when we're in his POV
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so to speak, because you know, and it's a really the way that
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this goes. I was glad it didn't go on for too too long,
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because what it is is pretty much Ace just wanting everybody to stop risking their
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lives and feeling really frustrated that they're not listening to him, that they don't
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understand he isn't worth dying for, and he's like at one point yelling out
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at Loofy trying to piss him off basically and tell him like, you only
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became a pirate because you wanted to copy me, and what are you even
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doing here? And you know it's very transparent lufy himself. Not that I
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think even if Ace really meant all of what he was saying, I don't
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think it would matter to Loofy in the slightest because he's just a very one
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track kind of mind. But it was the sort of thing that like,
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we know why you're yelling this, bud, and you may as well save
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your breath. I understand that you feel the need to make an effort to
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save your friend, your brother from hurting himself and putting himself in harm's way,
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but it's too late for that. Now he is in it, like
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he can't turn around and just leave. They'll fucking crush him. So he
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is either going to save you and this is you know, he's going to
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succeed and get all the way to you, or he is going to die
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in the attempt, and those are the only two options anymore. And eventually
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Ace does reach a point where he's like, I've decided I'm going to accept
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any help that I'm able to get. And I was just glad because I
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thought it was gonna be a lot longer, a situation of like I'm not
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worth it. I can't take this like sacrifice, it's too much. And
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I was just really glad I didn't have to sit through too much of it
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because it's the sort of thing where as much as that is a pretty human
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reaction, and if I had friends who were putting their lives on the line
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to save me, I probably would also be like, I love you so
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much, Please don't it's not fun to watch, you know what I'm saying.
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And sorry. David says how MEPO kind of has a normal person reaction.
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Kobe has a reaction with someone who admires and wants to imitrate greatness but
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isn't there yet. Yeah, I would agree with that. He's definitely There's
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another series that I'm covering, and there's this sort of heroic person, and
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it's really interesting because Kobe is like the flip side. This heroic person has
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one particular follower who is not exactly their friend. It's somebody who admires him
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deeply and more than he is loyal he wants to be like this other person,
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and so in a sense is actually threatened by him quite a lot,
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despite the fact that he's on his side, and so it leads him to
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sort of doing some shady shit occasionally because he is attempting to gain the kind
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of like notoriety that the man he admires has gained, but he's going about
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it in the wrong way. So it's sort of interesting because Kobe is like
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the invert that what if you were like a good person who wanted who had
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like a sort of hero worship thing going on with a person that you deeply
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like respected and not you want to be them, but like representing something very
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different. That's what's sort of fascinating to me about Kobe is how he is
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in the Marines. He doesn't seem like he wants out of that situation,
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so I believe that this is going to be his career trajectory forever. And
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yet a pirate is one of the people that he just like admires the most.
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And I actually kind of like that. The concept of being able to
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see the value of what a person is in their heart despite what their label
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is, so to speak, and understanding that there's ways that you can implement
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the same characteristics they themselves have of like tenacity and loyalty, but you can
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use those in a different direction to support a totally different system than what they're
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doing. I really like that idea, and I think it's the sort of
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thing that a lot of us tend to apply. And it can be very
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easy if somebody isn't on your side, to simply see them as an enemy.
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And granted, Kobe and Lufy met before Louvi was officially a pirate,
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before Kobe was in the Marines, so they had a chance to establish a
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relationship and a friendship before those labels were in place, so that probably helps.
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But I just like the fact that Kobe didn't go, oh, okay,
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now you're a pirate, so now we're just enemies, end of story.
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He just is trying to sort of like thread that needle and be like
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he's still my bud, And I still think that he is rad as hell.
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No, I'm not on his side, and I'm technically supposed to like
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be rooting for him to fail, but also I can't like not admit he's
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a complete badass. Look at him out here, you know, especially when
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other people around him just think he's mad because they are so not getting what
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it is that he is like attempting to do, or what his life is
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and what's important. David says, what rank will Kobe end up as in
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hell? Mepo compare power levels to ranks we've seen. Oh god, I
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can't even begin to guess, David. There's a combo of reasons why one
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ranks. I completely lose track. If you want to list them with like,
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you know, least to most to help me out, I could attempt
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a guess, but I'm not even real confident about that. And then there's
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also like, you know, they've been being trained by and so they're going
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to become better fighters. But really it seems like if you want to like
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get somewhere, you've got to have a fucking devil fruit power and or be
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able to harness Hakka. And it doesn't seem like either of them are on
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their way there. And I don't know if it's ever been mentioned, like
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if they can get their hands on devil fruit, if they would want them.
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Helmepo strikes me as the type that would definitely want to eat one,
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because he is just sort of a bully. I don't know how much of
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that he's grown out of, but that personality type is somebody who's going to
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take whatever extra power they can get, right. I feel like Kobe would
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be somebody who would eventually you could coax them to have the devil fruit,
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but it would not be his like immediate instinct to go after it, because
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he probably would. He has enough like caution and anxiety to him that I
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think he would have the same approach that I do of just sort of like,
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yeah, but you don't know what's gonna happen. You don't even know
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what this root's gonna do you know? So David is saying Commander Smoker,
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Captain Admiral Kizeru, Well there's and there's vice admirals, right, And isn't
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there like below what level are they at currently? They're just like cadet they're
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not cadets anymore. It's been too long, right, I genuinely do not
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know. It's hard for me to like imagine exactly how much time passes in
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this show as well. You know, we've got another five hundred episodes at
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least to get through, So I don't know how we how much we see
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them grow up, like how much they what they get up to? You
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know, Florine is saying, get the spreadsheet. Oh ray, I've got
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a hold on let me open that in the old discord because Florian uh sent
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it to me again and I was on my phone when I got it,
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so I didn't get a chance to save it. But I'm gonna go and
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grab that, okay, So Vice Admiral, captain, Lieutenant admiral, We've
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got a bunch of names here. Thank you so much. By the way,
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I'm gonna put the link to this, well, I was gonna put
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it in the chat, but I'm not sure you'll be able to reach it
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because it was only available to me once Florian gave me permission to see it,
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so it may not be something that everybody can access. But Florian made
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this spreadsheet with the people's like picture, their name, the position that they
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hold in, what in whether it's the Marines or you know whatever, like
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clan or island they live on, and then powers and the ones. The
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one on top is GARP and it says for powers undefined, which I appreciate
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that because I was thinking the other day, like do we know what GARB
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can do? I don't feel like we do. So that helps me to
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know for sure, like we've seems like very little of him in terms of
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fighting. Oh, Florence says, everyone can reach it now, Okay,
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dope, So I'm gonna post it in the chat here and that way,
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if David wants to take a look at it, I can see. But
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you know, if i'm if I'm thinking what like, if I'm gonna go
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with the trope, my assumption would be eventually Kobe reaches admiral and Holmepo gets
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stuck at like vice admiral, like he doesn't quite get as far. Kobe
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reaches one of the top positions, and Helmepo is sort of like his right
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hand, but isn't pure of heart enough to get as far as Kobe does.
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And that's just pure trope. So I'm not I don't even want to
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say that's a real guess, you know. But anyway, so I want
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to talk about the conversation, like Loofy tells white Beard about how they're going
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to be moving up aces execution, and at first white Beard is upset by
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this, and then later on he's like, you know, this just doesn't
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really have the ring of truth to it like Kisaru is a lot of things,
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but or not Kizaru. Oh my god, you guys help me,
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Sengoku. But he's not stupid, and he had to know if he's like
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putting this out over all of the like snail transponders that somebody was going to
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hear it. So it just feels like this is a fucking setup, and
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I love how at the beginning of the episode, senng Goku's like, oh,
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okay, so Lufy shows up and all of a sudden, everybody's acting
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like it's they're a totally different army, and he's like a little agitated,
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and then he immediately sort of calms down and is like, it's fine.
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Our approach is completely like impossible to be and really is telling himself I have
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nothing to worry about. But then later when it's apparent that white Beard has
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figured out what the ploy was, then sen Goku's like, all right,
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well that was pretty obvious, I guess, like he immediately sort of goes
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yeah, I know, like I probably should have made it a little less
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obvious what was happening. Oh well, So it felt like a lot of
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bravado, Like Sengoku doesn't have the confidence that he is projecting actually, And
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I find that sort of interesting in terms of, like a character thing,
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how much of it is fake it till you make it, and how much
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of it is genuine confidence with like I don't want to say a lack of
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self awareness exactly, but more like underestimating your enemy. And I feel like
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that knowledge that Sengoku had been trying to set them up when I hadn't expected
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that kind of trick has made me a little bit more leery of him as
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a character and made me realize that, like, he's a bit smarter than
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what we tend to deal with. You know, we haven't had a lot
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of real care capable baddies lately. We have had baddies with powers that are
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scary. We have had baddies with like backup and circumstances that make them feel
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like how can you beat them? But I really think as of right now,
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Crocodile remains like the most competent of all the bad guys and the one
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that I still kind of look at as like, this is a dude who
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we should be worried about, not just in terms of where he is at
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any given moment, but just the fact that he has the mind to work
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out like exactly how to play people in a way that can be utilized no
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matter where he is, and anybody who is that adaptable is a threat that's
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going to be something that's like difficult to beat. I Maria is he has
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this power, but like, as Jim Bay points out completely correctly, because
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we've actually seen this exact thing before, Maria is too fucking greedy for this
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like shadow power and he overdoes it and then he screws himself. So as
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much as he has a really dope power, he doesn't utilize it well because
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he doesn't have good judgment. And we've got Magellan who has this like really
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crazy poison power, but he is isolated to like this one goal of keeping
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the jail under control, and there's a real limited sense to him. Like
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I found him frightening, but I didn't find him super competent. He depended
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on the wrong people a lot, and that's like a bad judgment call.
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I feel like Crocodile was the one who when you actually met him and dealt
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with him directly, he was personally competent. And even though they fought their
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way through the baroque works, people a lot of them were also pretty badass,
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and so despite the fact that they ultimately failed, I could see why
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Crocodile trusted them, whereas Magellan Trustinguss's face who kept wanting to replace him and
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keeping him in that position. It just felt a little weird to me that,
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like, this dude was constantly trying to undermine you and making it very
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clear that he was like Luke, he's sabotaging you because he wanted your job,
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and there's just not really a It feels like poor judgment for him.
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So while he has his own very effective personal power, he didn't seem like
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he had a lot going on beyond that to me. David sis and Gogu
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being the guy who faked it to the top, who had the Buddha fruit
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is fascinating. The Buddha fruit. Have we seen that? Like, what's
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going on with him? I don't even remember because we go through so many
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new powers and see so many things that I've sort of lost track of what
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who has done what? Florian says, Yeah, Kroc is a smart devil.
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David says, if Crocodile had Moria Ornelle's fruit, he would be absolutely
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devastating because he would use them so much more effectively. That's that's a really
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good, like way, shorter, quicker way to say what I was trying
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to say. Like, Crocodile's power is very frightening, but it's more frightening
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because of how creative he's gotten with it and how like the use he puts
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it to. There are other abilities that are way more terrifying, and yet
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those people don't seem to really have like the focus or imagination that Crocodile has.
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And I gotta be real, I'm really like a little disappointed at the
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fact that Crocodile goes after white Beard the way that he does, because he
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has seemed to be so intelligent and to think things through in a big picture
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sort of way that the fact he is handling this the way that he is
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it's almost suspect because it's so poorly thought out that I'm like, dude,
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are you actually trying to hurt white Beard? Or is this part of some
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other scheme going on, because it just seems like you aren't the type to
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make this particular type of mistake. I wouldn't think, but you know what,
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do I know? Sorry, guys, I'm like getting so congested as
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I'm recording, and I don't know if you can like hear my voice changing
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because my nose is getting stuffed up. But I was doing great and now
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all of a sudden, I'm just like all clogged up. So we've seen
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Lufy like fighting through a bunch of other Marines, and at one point he's
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really like, I won't say he's getting his ass kicked exactly because he's holding
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his own, but the dudes that he's going up against are a lot tougher
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than he was expecting. He thought he was gonna be able to tear through
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them like they were peons, and it turns out they actually are quite strong,
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and at one point Lufy is just like Jesus Christ. This is really
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a little bit more than I was prepared for. And finally we have Maria
31:33
raising some zombie soldiers. Now I'm curious about this because the zombie soldiers come
31:41
up out of the ground and Maria decides that he's gonna take the shadows from
31:48
some other marines and put them into these bodies. So here's my question.
31:56
Uh oh, sorry, David said he went after white Beard because he's a
32:00
warlord. I understand the why. In just why he would go after him.
32:08
I don't understand doing it now, the way that he does it.
32:13
It just feels like the timing is as bad as it could be to do
32:17
this, and it just it just felt very foolish, that's all. But
32:25
this thing with Mariot, did he bring these bodies with him? Right?
32:32
He did? Right? It's not like these are soldiers that have fallen and
32:37
he's like resurrecting them. Because the zombies once they stand up, they all
32:44
have their like body parts stitched together in a way that looks like, okay,
32:52
they were definitely on the table in the lab. And I can't help
32:59
but, like, one, what are the Marines make of effect that somebody
33:02
who's allegedly on their side has like basically stolen the souls of their soldiers to
33:12
create his like undead army because he flat out says, you guys fight for
33:19
me now, like he is taking ownership of these Marines in a way that
33:25
feels very I'm gonna use you the way that I see fit. Fuck the
33:30
Marines. It's not about the Marines anymore. And this is the sort of
33:36
thing that I know is the crux of why the Marines teaming up with these
33:43
Warlords of the Sea is like a questionable enterprise because the Warlords of the Sea
33:49
are as loyal as they're gonna be, but they don't really they're not rulable,
33:58
does that make sense? Like they have their agenda and they'll play nice
34:02
as long as it's in their own interests to play nice and do what the
34:06
Marines want. But in the end, it seems like mostly they're more powerful
34:12
than the Marines can handle, and so they can sort of just do whatever
34:17
they want a lot of the time. And it's the sort of thing where
34:24
probably if you're sengoku watching this happen, for instance, you're just telling yourself,
34:32
all right, well, I don't like this, but right now we're
34:37
in the midst of this big fight, so I'm gonna let Maria do what
34:39
he do and then we'll cope with like whatever the fucking fall out about this
34:45
is a little bit later on, once the battle is over, I will
34:51
come and like be like, give me my men's fucking souls back their shadows.
34:55
And maybe that's the case, but I don't know how you like an
35:00
force that how do you just make him do the thing? Because it really
35:04
feels like he's got quite the advantage at this point. Now, what we
35:07
find out though, and this I don't remember, this isn't something anybody discovered
35:14
while they were actually on thriller bark, right, is that because these zombies
35:21
were raised using devil fruit powers, they are as weak to the ocean because
35:30
of that whole you know, can't swim sea stone or whatever it's called type
35:35
thing. So all Jimbay has to do is just like get a wave of
35:40
seawater to crash over them and they fucking drop. I kind of love this.
35:50
I think it's really interesting the fact that Oda has made the ocean what's
35:59
the word I want? I guess the achilles heel of being a devil fruit
36:04
eater, because he couldn't have picked a more ubiquitous substance. This is a
36:10
show about pirates and marines. They're literally always taking place on beaches ships like,
36:20
the ocean is always there. So Oda was like, all right,
36:23
I'm gonna give these people these bonkers fucking powers, and I'm also going to
36:29
make it in a way extremely easy to fuck them up, if you know
36:34
how. But also those people are aware of their own their own weakness enough
36:43
of the time that they're able to keep themselves from falling into those sorts of
36:46
traps. This though, with Jimbei and him being like, Okay, here's
36:51
a wave, now you're done, I really got the feeling that Maria wasn't
36:55
even aware that this would work. I don't know if he has ever tried
37:01
to like use these zombies out in the world in this fashion, And maybe
37:09
he did know and he didn't think that anybody else had like figured it out,
37:14
but it is. It just seems to me that he was quite shocked
37:17
when all of his zombies drop because Jimbay is so casual about it, and
37:22
when he says to Lufy, like because Lufy's watching and sort of like what
37:25
the hell just happened, and Jimmy's like, oh yeah, well, you
37:29
know seawater David says, I think the seed darkens the sun. The water
37:37
rehydrated Loofy and Alabasta, so water isn't bad in itself. The seed darkens
37:45
the sun. I think I'm not following you. David Florence says, I
37:52
think there's a difference between seawater and normal water in this world. Oh yeah,
37:58
like the seawater. It's definitely with the devil fruit eaters, the sea
38:01
water is the the spec it has like whatever substance in it that they use
38:07
to make the uh the what is it sea prism stone to stop them from
38:13
being able to use their powers. It seems like it's just sort of dissolved
38:16
into the water unless you somehow manage to find a concentrate of it. So
38:22
I don't Yeah, it's not water in general. It seems just like seawater,
38:27
but I think the seed darkens the sun. David's is the salt in
38:31
the seawater rex zombies. That's not what he says. Jim Ay specifically says
38:39
to Loofy they were brought by devil. They were made with devil fruit powers,
38:44
so they are weak to the sea, is the way he phrases it.
38:49
He never mentions anything about the salt. I don't know if that's like
38:52
another thing that comes up later that gets specified, but that's not what it's
38:57
presented like here. But anyway, I just like, I just think that's
39:01
a really fascinating way to approach this, and fucking Maria watching this like thing
39:07
all of his dudes go forward and just standing there and then we go over
39:12
to uh the I'm gonna go look for his name real quick, but oh,
39:19
Kiseru, that is k He is uh the one I think Florian You
39:24
told me that he was animated to look like a popular like action star,
39:30
action movie star. He is so sort of fascinating to me as a character,
39:39
Like it's the design of him for sure, looking so much more like
39:44
a real person that I initially find fascinating. Also, he has this voice
39:50
that almost sounds like like a blaxploitation movie character. There's something about the I'm
40:02
trying to think of the way to describe the tone of his voice because there's
40:07
it's I want to say cartoonish, but like this is a cartoon, so
40:09
that feels very pointless and redundant to say. But he just has this sort
40:15
of tone that's almost like playful, I guess is the word I want.
40:21
And I just really enjoy anytime he's on screen, even though he is an
40:28
enemy and doing things I don't like. He's just very entertaining and I enjoy
40:32
him every time he's on So Okay, David says, back in thriller Bark,
40:39
we learn that the zombies are weak to salt Ah, that's what you
40:45
guys are talking about. Okay, Now I remember the salt thing. I
40:47
had forgotten about that, but yeah, I think Florian says see water or
40:53
not salt, so I think you can take it either way. I think
40:57
it's like he says, because they were brought around by devil fruit, they're
41:01
weak to the sea. He specifically says, like the devil fruit connection.
41:05
So I definitely think it's the ocean being the antithesis or whatever you want to
41:10
call it to devil fruit powers. However, if they had told me that
41:15
it was the salt, that also would have worked for me. Like,
41:19
I think they're very clear about exactly what's working here, but they could have
41:24
just left it as the salt thing. And the fact that they didn't,
41:29
and it's mentioned that it's the devil fruit connection that makes them weak to it
41:34
means that this is something that could potentially be an issue, like I was
41:37
sort of thinking. For example, when Magellan poisons Loofy, if well,
41:46
Lufy's a bad choice because he has devil fruit powers, So if you put
41:50
Loofy in seawater, he also loses his own abilities. But if you were
41:53
like a regular person that got poisoned by Magellan's powers and you got sunk into
42:00
a bath, of seawater. Would that mitigate the effects of the poison because
42:06
the poison came from a devil fruit power or would it be like too late
42:13
because it's already in your system and there's just kind of nothing to be done,
42:15
you know what I'm saying. It just felt like this opened a lot
42:19
of doors for other potential stuff, which won't necessarily be something that the show
42:23
pursues a lot, but I just thought it was an interesting question. So,
42:29
Okay, I'm just taking forever you guys, I'm so sorry. But
42:31
like I said, there's just so many different things going on in this section.
42:37
So we have then the moment where everybody finds out who Lufy's father actually
42:44
is, and I love the different reactions that they have, Like Buggy,
42:49
for his part, is just sort of horrified. There's almost a sense with
42:52
Buggy of like, oh my god, and I have been such an asshole
42:55
to this guy because I didn't know, and I would like to take some
42:59
of that back, please. We go over to Boa and she's just got
43:04
her little starry eyes and is saying, it wouldn't bother me if your father
43:07
was the devil himself. You guys, I do not know how I feel
43:15
about this boa being in love with Loufy thing. It's so bizarre, I
43:21
think, and I know I've said this already, but I really think my
43:27
main issue is just that Lufy seems so childish. So it just feels really
43:36
creepy. It feels like to me, even though I know Lufy is meant
43:43
to be like seventeen or eighteen years old, he feels to me like he's
43:47
fourteen years old like at most, and she feels like she's thirty five,
43:55
even though I think she's probably not meant to be that old. And so
44:01
there's just something like about how I hesitate to call Loofy simple minded because I
44:09
feel like that implies a different thing than what I mean. But Lufy is
44:15
he has like really childlike qualities and understanding of the world, and so her
44:21
approaching everything the way that she does, with the assumptions that she's making,
44:27
it always just it just feels a little weird. At the same time,
44:34
it is really funny, and the fact that she is able to make everybody
44:38
around her fall in love with her and then the thing like it happens the
44:44
opposite way with Loofy is a pretty good gag. And I like that this
44:50
is how we've decided to do this, like how to cope with her ability,
44:54
because having Loufy fall in love with her just wouldn't feel like it made
44:59
sense. He's just not that type. Even if it is like a magical
45:01
spell. He just seems immune in a way to the charms of men or
45:09
women. He's like, I don't even know if I want to say that
45:13
he's exactly asexual, but that's as close as I'm getting to what I mean.
45:20
It's just uncomfortable, you know. And the way that she thinks about,
45:27
like because eventually she's got the key for Ace's manacles and Loofy just wraps
45:37
himself around her to thank her, and she of course goes into this sort
45:44
of reverie where she's thinking about the way that she like she thinks about,
45:51
oh, the warmth of his touch is still in my breast, no,
45:55
my entire body. Is this what people call marriage? And then we go
46:02
into this like dream sequence of her walking to like down the aisle to meet
46:08
Loofy, who by the way, is in this like white tux and calls
46:14
her baby, and it's just so wrong. It's just very wrong, and
46:19
it's like I want I want to just be able to sit back and enjoy
46:25
the goofiness of this, but also the weight of this is unfair because there
46:32
are no female fucking characters in this show a lot of the time. That
46:38
the fact that one of the most powerful women we have met has been laid
46:45
low because she can't stop imagining marrying a character is deeply frustrating in a whole
46:52
different way, you know what I'm saying. And like I said, if
46:55
we didn't just have one woman in any given group, we've got all these
47:01
giants and there's one woman giant like the straw Hat crew, even we have
47:07
two women out of all of them at this point, it's not like fair
47:15
to expect certain things when you've got so few characters to spread the traits around.
47:23
There's just no avoiding sometimes the feel of like, oh god, this
47:28
is gross. Like Lufy runs into uh, what's her name? Cage and
47:36
half the scenes with her, well the scene it's really just one scene where
47:39
she shows up, but it's all about how the other two dudes on her
47:44
team are like in love with her, and you know what I mean,
47:49
it just feels like, can we just have like any women who it isn't
47:55
their sexuality that's like the main point of them. Around the straw hats,
48:02
we mostly don't get that except when it's sangy. The others leave them alone
48:07
mostly and it's not like, you know, a huge thing. But even
48:13
when we land on other islands and stuff and encounter other people, they do
48:17
wind up becoming like the object of somebody's speculative eye. And I just wish
48:24
that we could get away from this a little bit more. Have more women.
48:29
Have it not always be about that how beautiful they are, how like
48:37
how much men want them and how they can use that, or how it
48:39
renders men useless or whatever. Oh god, David, David just said three
48:46
straw hats women, there's viv remember with a winkie face. You take that
48:51
back? Ugh? Ugh, ugh, I'm so sorry that I didn't like
48:57
VIVI everybody. I'm sure that there are people out there who are just like
48:59
I don't understanding Natasha. Why are you so mean to her? I don't
49:02
understand it either, I just you know, I just really she was just
49:06
very very dumb. But anyway, so, yeah, this whole thing with
49:09
Boba, like she steps in to save him a couple times, because Smoker,
49:14
for his part, is over here, Like I wondered who the fuck
49:16
it was that stepped in and saved you, and now it makes sense it
49:21
was your dad and he's not fucking here right now, so nobody's gonna save
49:27
you. And as soon as he says nobody's gonna save you, I was
49:30
like, sir, you can't say those words out loud. I love it,
49:34
though, Guys. He's holding him in place, saying to Lufy,
49:38
nobody is going to come save you, and Lufy is just struggling against him
49:45
and just says, at least in the dub, this sucks. And I
49:52
don't know why, but I've watched these episodes twice and both times I just
49:57
like kind of snort laughed because it just felt like such an in add quit
50:00
expression. This dude is like gonna kill you in a second. He is
50:02
here to take your life, and just being like this sucks is just so
50:07
understating the situation. It was just it got me. It really made me
50:10
fucking laugh. Florian says, this is still so funny to me that you
50:15
don't like her love it. I'm glad that it's at least amusing. I
50:21
Uh, y'all I will just never get over her standing at the bottom of
50:24
that staircase. I know that's a stupid thing to get fixated on. I'm
50:30
aware, but it's just one of those things. We all have, the
50:34
things that we are fully aware we are being unreasonable about and we can't help
50:42
it. It's just the way we feel about it. And that staircase and
50:45
her standing at the bottom of it while people are coming at her on fucking
50:46
horses. I will just never recover from what a stupid move that was.
50:52
Anyway, So let's talk about this thing with fucking Kuma, because uh Kuma
51:00
is evidently no longer alive and this was such a surprise the way that this
51:07
is presented. It takes a while to kind of like get to the point
51:12
here, because, like I said, we jump around a lot, and
51:14
there's dragging. We drag a lot of things out. But eventually uh Dop
51:20
Flamingo is like mocking Eva because Eva sees Kuma and believes, like, oh,
51:27
we were friends, we were cool, and so if I am able
51:31
to get to him and talk to him, then he's going to lay off
51:36
because we have history. But Kuma doesn't seem to recognize him, and it's
51:43
still attacking him in the normal way, and dop Flamingo says like, oh,
51:49
well, Kuma doesn't exist the way that you remember him anymore. And
51:55
I kind of had thought, well, Kuma like that kumam was still alive
52:01
as himself, but that they had made clones of him that did different things.
52:12
And I kind of thought that do Flamingo implying that Kuma is straight up
52:17
dead was just him fucking with Eva a little bit. But then when we
52:22
go over to Loofy and he like you know, catches up with Eva,
52:27
eventually he is thinking about how Kuma said to him, we will never meet
52:34
again, and Lufy thinks to himself, he knew even then, So I
52:42
had an idea of what this meant, and it seems like I was really
52:45
not getting it. Apparently the thought is that Kuma was like being experimented on
52:53
even as he was at Thriller Bark, and he knew he was close to
53:00
being killed. Is that what I'm supposed to be getting from this. I
53:05
don't really understand how he was out in the world, like able to do
53:10
his own thing, but also still being experimented on and knowing that his life
53:16
is going to end. I this may be something that I'm not supposed to
53:21
understand fully at this point. It might just be like we're getting hints of
53:24
stuff and then we'll get a full story later. But you know, I
53:29
commented at the time how weird it was because it felt like Kuma was actually
53:32
trying to help Lufy when he is allegedly against them. And then in this
53:38
episode, Iva says how much Kuma hated the government, and so this gives
53:47
the impression that whatever was going on with Kuma serving them was either against his
53:53
will or it was a ploy on his part, but nevertheless, like eventually
54:00
cost him his life. Florian says, yeah, I think you go in
54:06
the right direction with your thoughts. Okay, So yeah, it's just a
54:10
weird situation, and I really like I felt for I've a because thinking you
54:16
see a friend and that you like having an expectation of how they're going to
54:21
act toward you and then they don't is always like a really jarring experience.
54:28
I've had this in like real life. I've also read a lot of books
54:31
where there's a thing that's happening with like a character that you met earlier and
54:35
they behaved one way and then you run into them again and they are not
54:38
acting like themselves. And even in a book secondhand, it's like always just
54:44
sort of like, wait, what the fuck? I liked this guy?
54:45
Why is he acting like this? David says, there's a mystery that takes
54:51
a bit to unravel. You might want to get a corkboard for Kuma in
54:53
particular. Ooh, fun, I should fucking get a corkboard to have behind
54:58
me and when I record. But yeah, there's like, what was it?
55:04
Is it? Oh? It's sense and sensibility. Uh. If any
55:07
of you have like read that Jane Austen or watched any of the movies,
55:12
there is a point where Willeby, who is this really likable character that you've
55:17
grown to enjoy a lot, he just bounces and disappears and the sisters don't
55:24
know what happened to him. And then eventually they run into him at a
55:29
party in London and he acts like he barely knows them. And that's always
55:34
one of my favorite scenes because it's so upsetting and it's so public and they
55:40
genuinely do not get why he's behaving this way, and they can't exactly call
55:45
him out, although the sister one does so this thing with Kuma and like,
55:51
I have a being like, dude, it's me, what the fuck
55:55
is? I felt really bad for Iva. There was just something very pure
56:01
in the way that Iva was trying to be like, but we're friends though,
56:06
you know. And eventually Iva gets to this point where he's like,
56:13
I can't believe you don't remember me. Nobody forgets my face. And that's
56:19
the way that he like presents the the rage that he's feeling. He the
56:29
just indignation over let's see, I'm seeing the part where he's like got letting
56:37
his face get scanned, and he's saying as if he'd ever sacrificed himself for
56:42
your stupid plan. Snap out of it. It's me, I love Do
56:45
Flamingo. Can you stop yelling? It's really starting to get on my nerves.
56:51
Do Flamingo I find very annoying, but in a way that is amusing.
56:54
Nevertheless, you know, he does this thing here where you know Kuma
57:00
has just said, well or not, Kuma, I'm sorry, I've a
57:07
He is talking to him like how can he be gone? And do Flamingo
57:13
says he was fine just a few days ago, but it's tragic. Before
57:22
you know, it someone's gone, and I can't help but laugh a little
57:29
bit at the fact that, like every time Do Flamingo is poking at people,
57:34
he can't help but do a sort of like existential thing. He just
57:38
always has to get in a little bit of like, well, that's the
57:43
tragic comedy of the human condition, isn't it? And he is really It's
57:51
like you could see it as somebody just kneeling everyone around them, and I
57:57
certainly think he knows it's irritating, and so that adds to his own amusement.
58:00
But I think to a point, Do Flamingo really is actually sharing his
58:07
thoughts. I think he is sort of like, yeah, wow, life
58:10
right, it just really comes at you fast. And there's a bit about
58:15
him with this attitude that I can't help but enjoy a little bit because I
58:22
do this, you know, in the midst of like some sort of situation,
58:27
and then I'll step back from it and sort of be like, wow,
58:30
shit's really fucking crazy, you know. So anyway, he says,
58:37
uh that Kuma doesn't even realize anymore that he ever used to be human,
58:44
so you know, he's just like a monster now there's he may as well
58:50
be dead and this is when we see Kuma doing his like, uh laser
58:55
blast thing that sends both Lufy and I have a ducking for cover as he
59:00
fucking lights up one side of the uh, the ocean. It's sort of
59:06
weird and this is a danger you guys. We've seen him do this sort
59:09
of weird power before, and granted it was the actual Kuma, it was
59:12
not this imitation, and his power was supposed to be so impressive we saw
59:17
from Afar how it's basically like a mushroom cloud. And then the island's fine.
59:22
We come back and it's like everybody got knocked over, and that's pretty
59:27
much the extent of it. The building got damaged, you know. But
59:31
yeah, this is when I've a it is just like nobody fucking forgets my
59:37
face and knocks this imitation Kuma on his ass. I'm a saying, hehaw
59:46
just makes me giggle a little bit, like I don't really get that,
59:52
but it still works, you know, as just like a weird catchphrase.
59:59
And he his crew Succulent Candy Boys, which I straight up want to be
1:00:06
a band name please, I just really, you know, here comes Ivanka
1:00:14
and this Succulent Candy Boys he does vengeful kick and sends Kuma karening like basically
1:00:23
into a mountain of ice, and one of the people just yells, work
1:00:28
at boss, I love that so much. And yeah, this is when
1:00:32
Ivis says, I've met a lot of people, but nobody ever forgets my
1:00:37
face. And then we jump over to Buggy. Now, I haven't really
1:00:40
dealt with Buggy, and I'm like out of time here, so I'm just
1:00:44
gonna do it really quickly. But suffice to say, he is still like
1:00:51
being hyped by his dudes in a way that's like really overestimating what he's capable
1:00:57
of, and they expect him to just straight up fight white Beard, to
1:01:01
which Buggy at least has the wisdom to know, I am out of my
1:01:05
depth with that. Oh my god, I can't fight him, but he
1:01:07
doesn't want to lose face, so he's just sort of like just buying time.
1:01:13
And eventually white Beard pretends he needs Buggy's help and that like, Buggy
1:01:20
can just go ahead and kick his ass later as long as they can team
1:01:23
up right now. And it's such a good bit because Buggy takes it at
1:01:28
face value and Marco is like standing next to Whitebeard after this interaction, and
1:01:35
he just says something like, well, he is really surprisingly easy to manipulate,
1:01:45
and I just really I thought that was so funny, like how obvious
1:01:51
it is to everybody. Mister three is just watching from the sidelines as everyone
1:01:54
keeps hyping Buggy up, being like, how do you guys not see that
1:02:00
he's fucking playing you? And it's just funny. It's very funny. I
1:02:06
did not. I am enjoying the role that Buggy is playing sort of in
1:02:12
the background of all of this, And eventually he sees that like Lufy has
1:02:15
made a break to go towards Ace and is thinking like, oh, he's
1:02:19
just gonna steal my thunder Guys, we got to head out now, and
1:02:23
he had been hiding in like a snowbank or something, so they just burst
1:02:27
out and they're following Lufy and fucking Crocodile is still attempting to get at white
1:02:35
Beard, and all of Whitebeard's guys are just you've got to go through us,
1:02:38
and white Beard's starting to get pretty irritated by this because it's just a
1:02:43
waste of resources. At this point, the fucking Diamond guy turns up and
1:02:50
gives him a pretty good deck in the face and it seems somewhat effective,
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and do Flamingo turns up and the two of them apparently have a little bit
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of a his But this Diamond guy, I do really enjoy his ability and
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it looks cool as hell. But let's see and yeah, and then so
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then we have the very very last moment where uh Lufy has almost seemed to
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reach ace, but you've got all these clouds of dust ahead of him,
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so like, you know, he's not reaching ace. Whatever. There's something
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in that's dust, and it turns out to be Hawke guy. It's me
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Hawk and he is standing there and he says to himself like, hey,
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sorry, Shanks, but I'm not going to go easy on him. I
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wonder if he's gonna die today or maybe maybe not, who knows. He
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is very philosophical in his approach, and I genuinely don't know what happens here
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because like ordinarily I would think he would crush Loofy it would be no problem.
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But I don't think Lufy is being stopped. I think that he gets
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through somehow, and I don't know if it's an assist from somebody else,
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if he manages to utilize an ability I haven't seen yet. If me hawk
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like changes his mum, I don't know. So anyway, that's where we
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are. I'm gonna wrap this up. Thank you guys so much for hanging
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out with me. I appreciate you a lot. Thank you for for making
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the spreadsheet as well. And until next time, kids to the Loo,
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motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled Network podcast.