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Meet The Pregnant Women Inside America's Most Dangerous Prisons - True Crime Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: What was the hardest thing to adjust to when you
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: first came into this prison.
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  Speaker 2: I've always, naively, I guess, thought that women were the
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  Speaker 2: generer sex, that the weaker sex.
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  Speaker 3: That's what society wants us to believe. And the fact
• 0:28
  Speaker 3: that women can stab a man to death forty times.
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  Speaker 3: I find that incomprehensible.
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  Speaker 1: South of Chicago, in the state of Indiana, two prisons
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  Speaker 1: hold some of America's most dangerous female criminals. The Rockville
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Correctional Facility, an Indiana women's prison, house over eighteen hundred offenders.
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  Speaker 1: Many are serving long sentences for extremely violent crimes. Some
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  Speaker 1: will end their days here. How severely was the victim
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  Speaker 1: part the.
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  Speaker 4: Bullet came into close contact with his eye and struck
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  Speaker 4: him in the face.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, For four weeks, I was given access to a
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  Speaker 1: world and a culture the like of which I've never known.
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  Speaker 1: So you were classed as a baby killer.
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  Speaker 5: I was that. I am that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a lot more than that as well, but that's
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  Speaker 6: who I am.
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  Speaker 1: America imprisons more women than anywhere else in the world.
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  Speaker 1: My second visit to Indiana Women's Prison began in its
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  Speaker 1: segregation unit. The prisoners here are among the most dangerous
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  Speaker 1: and some have been punished for breaking the rules. They
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  Speaker 1: are locked down for twenty three hours a day and
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  Speaker 1: have no contact with the rest of the institution.
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  Speaker 7: Miss Bowet, Yeah, some people GI would like to meet you. Yes,
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  Speaker 7: so I'm close to door behind.
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  Speaker 3: You, step in your anything.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming out of your self
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  Speaker 1: to talk to us. How long have you been in
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  Speaker 1: this segregation unit?
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  Speaker 8: In about a week, it'll be four months.
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  Speaker 1: So what's that like.
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  Speaker 8: It's hard, especially being pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: You're pregnant, Yeah, well we're when you find out you
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  Speaker 1: were pregnant.
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  Speaker 8: Well, when I.
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  Speaker 9: Got arrested, they gave me a pregnancy test at the
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  Speaker 9: county jail while I was there, and I found out
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  Speaker 9: there and I was already like a month in my
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  Speaker 9: pregnancy because I'm five months right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing to be pregnant in any general prison
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  Speaker 1: population must be particularly agonizing to be pregnant and to
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  Speaker 1: be in a segregated So yeah, like I.
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  Speaker 8: Said, you feel alone, you feel like.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it's so depressing to where like every day
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  Speaker 9: at six o'clock where when we get mail, you sit
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  Speaker 9: there on your bed and you look under your door
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  Speaker 9: to see if you get mail, and when you don't like,
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  Speaker 9: I sit.
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  Speaker 8: There and I cry because I feel like everybody just
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  Speaker 8: forgot about me.
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  Speaker 9: And being pregnant is even worse because my hormones are
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  Speaker 9: drive me crazy.
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  Speaker 8: One minute I'm mad, one minute I'm even mad, or
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  Speaker 8: one minute I'm really upset. It's just more roller coaster
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  Speaker 8: in this little room by myself.
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  Speaker 1: When was your last communication with the father of your child.
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  Speaker 8: Before we came here.
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  Speaker 1: Is this your first baby?
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  Speaker 8: No, I have a daughter. She's five. She's with my
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  Speaker 8: mother right now.
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  Speaker 1: What does your five year old make of your situation?
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  Speaker 1: Because she is probably of the age where she's just
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  Speaker 1: about beginning to comprehend that her mother is not around.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I talked to her.
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  Speaker 9: She knows that I've been in trouble, and she tells
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  Speaker 9: me like it is. I'll call her at home and
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  Speaker 9: she'll tell me, why can't you just stop beginning in
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  Speaker 9: trouble and be home with me? And you know, she
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  Speaker 9: tells me she's like the mom and I'm the child.
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  Speaker 9: That's what it seems like right now.
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  Speaker 1: Boy escaped from a prison work program which was based
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  Speaker 1: in the local community. Her punishment is six months in
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  Speaker 1: this unit. Pregnant women who do follow the rules and
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  Speaker 1: who have committed less serious crimes are put in a
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  Speaker 1: separate wing. Once they're about to give both, they are
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  Speaker 1: taken to a local hospital. Their babies will then spend
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  Speaker 1: the first months of their lives back here, Broke, how
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  Speaker 1: long have you been in prison?
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  Speaker 10: I've been here since September?
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  Speaker 1: And when was he what's his name? San? How well
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  Speaker 1: did they look after you in this facinity when you
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  Speaker 1: were in the advanced stages of your pregnancy.
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  Speaker 10: They looked atter us really well. Once I had to
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  Speaker 10: go and be induced, so they took me out, I
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  Speaker 10: like Wednesday after evening and I went to the hospital,
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  Speaker 10: got induced, and I had him later on that night.
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  Speaker 10: And we get to stay there twenty four to forty
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  Speaker 10: eight hours, depending on whether you bottle feed or breastfeed.
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  Speaker 1: How does that work in hospitally? You do you have
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  Speaker 1: a somebody looking over you? You you have a god there
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  Speaker 1: while you give both?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, the officer usually sits in the room twenty four
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  Speaker 10: to seven and you're shackled to the bed unless you're
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  Speaker 10: in active labor. Then they actually let you stay unshackled
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  Speaker 10: until your give birth. After you give birth, you have
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  Speaker 10: to get shackled back to the bed.
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  Speaker 1: You shackled to a bed, then just your ankle, just
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  Speaker 1: your ankle, but your shackle. Yes, it's not the most propitious.
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  Speaker 1: No circumstances which to have something which is so intensely yes, personal.
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  Speaker 10: It was very embarrassing, very embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: May may I see the cell where you spend most
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  Speaker 1: of your time?
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  Speaker 10: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? H see? Yes? How different would this be
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  Speaker 1: in its physical surroundings if you were at home?
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  Speaker 10: At home, he would have his own room. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 10: have my bed in here. He would have a dresser
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  Speaker 10: changing table.
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  Speaker 1: What what would you tell your son when he is
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  Speaker 1: old enough about where he was born, in the circumstances
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  Speaker 1: in which he was born.
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  Speaker 10: I really haven't thought about that question yet. I would
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  Speaker 10: just tell him that mommy made a big mistake and
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  Speaker 10: it was for the better. Why I came here made
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  Speaker 10: mommy learn a lot. And I hope he can learn
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  Speaker 10: from my mistakes and see how barrassing it was to
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  Speaker 10: be here, and hopefully he won't ever come to a
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  Speaker 10: place like this.
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  Speaker 1: He'll tell him he was born in prison.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, m.
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  Speaker 6: M.
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  Speaker 1: It's visiting time and Kim is preparing to take baby
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  Speaker 1: Gabriella outside the unit at times like these offenders are
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  Speaker 1: sharply reminded of where they are one, so you have
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  Speaker 1: to be accompanied them these visits out Kim.
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  Speaker 3: Do youies, yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Why is that just for their safety?
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're sexual offenders here that are planned crimes
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  Speaker 2: like that, So that's one of the reasons why we escort.
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  Speaker 1: It's difficult to believe that people will want to do
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  Speaker 1: anything to a child being taken out to a visiting area,
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  Speaker 1: that it might happen, yeah, and you have to make
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  Speaker 1: sure he does, yes, sir. This after all, kim is
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  Speaker 1: a is a women's prison, so it's rather difficult to
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  Speaker 1: imagine that a woman would do something against a child.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, for me, it's it's hard for me to
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  Speaker 9: fathom that a mother or any woman would be able
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  Speaker 9: to do that to a child.
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  Speaker 1: But it happens.
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  Speaker 8: And there's actually women in this prison that have hurt
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  Speaker 8: their children.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could imagine what they do.
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  Speaker 6: Want One nine.
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  Speaker 1: This is Rockville Correctional Facility, the largest women's prison in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Indiana, with more than twelve hundred convicts.
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  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Brad Gray is taking me to Dormitory five, one
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  Speaker 1: of the largest in the prison. Inmates here are allowed
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  Speaker 1: the freedom of the unit during the day. Come nighttime,
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  Speaker 1: they're locked in sixteen to a room. Are their outbreaks
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  Speaker 1: of disorder with sixteen women in one small space occasionally?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, we have, just like any other environment where you
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  Speaker 11: have that many people in a small space. Once they
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  Speaker 11: get on each other's nerves to the point that they
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  Speaker 11: fell of physical altercation or a verbal altercation, is there
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  Speaker 11: only means of resolution, then we'll have arguments or fights
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  Speaker 11: from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: Much more fundamentally, how do you choose or do you
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  Speaker 1: choose who is one of the sixteen in one of
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  Speaker 1: those rooms? And how do you do that?
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  Speaker 11: We just through the offender's behavior. Those offenders who display
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  Speaker 11: more difficult behavior we have closer to the officer's station.
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  Speaker 1: Would you put, say, somebody who's been guilty of check
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  Speaker 1: fraud with somebody who's committed murder? Would you would you
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  Speaker 1: put them in one dome?
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  Speaker 11: Yes, we would, because it again is predicated more by
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  Speaker 11: the offender's behavior once they're in the environment than it
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  Speaker 11: is by the crimes. Thathave you, Yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I've been told about one of the most difficult people
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  Speaker 1: in this unit, Kiana Ball is in for armed robbery. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Trevor. How are you.
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  Speaker 5: I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very crowded space to be in, Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's kind of odd being in a room with
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  Speaker 4: so many females and not really having your own personal space,
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  Speaker 4: Like you have your own personal space, but it's it
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  Speaker 4: seems like it's not enough.
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  Speaker 1: What's the atmosphere like when everybody's here, it.
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  Speaker 4: Can be a little off balance, a little fresh because
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  Speaker 4: all the different moods and attitudes. That is, like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of different personalities, and they tend to clash, and
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  Speaker 4: you have like half the room has their good days,
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  Speaker 4: and then half the room has their bad days.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like it's real crazy. It's real crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Out of airshot of her cellmates. I asked to talk
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  Speaker 1: to Ball about her crime. In two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 1: Keiana Ball and her boyfriend Carlton Wright attempted to steal
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  Speaker 1: a van at gunpoint. The owner, Rinaldo Santiago, resisted and
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  Speaker 1: was shot at point blank range. This is Ball and
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  Speaker 1: right moments after the shooting, they hide their weapons in
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  Speaker 1: a nearby apartment block. When she was arrested, police discovered
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  Speaker 1: these guns in Keanna Bull's handbag. How old are you now?
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  Speaker 5: I'm twenty two. I will be twenty three November.
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  Speaker 1: In November, so you were nineteen years of age. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: when you came to prison.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot to handle. And I have kids at home,
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  Speaker 4: so that makes it a little more harder to cope
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  Speaker 4: with than anything.
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  Speaker 1: How many kids do you have at home?
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  Speaker 5: I have two kids at home. I have a little girl, Brianna.
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  Speaker 4: She's six, she'll be seven July sixteenth, And I have
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  Speaker 4: a four year old son, Ezion, he will be five
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  Speaker 4: June twelfth.
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  Speaker 1: How were you caught? How are you found?
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  Speaker 12: Ud?
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  Speaker 4: We found ourselves in a jam with a guy that
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  Speaker 4: we had met, and things just got out of hands,
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  Speaker 4: and we were trying.
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  Speaker 5: To rob him and just things.
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  Speaker 4: I said, Things got out of hand, things got carried away,
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  Speaker 4: and he ended up being shot and we you shot him?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, How severely was the victim? Hut?
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  Speaker 5: He was severely hurt on the left side of his face.
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  Speaker 4: The bullet came into close contact with his eye and
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  Speaker 4: it shot him in the face. Yes, it came into
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  Speaker 4: close contact with the side of his face by his eye.
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  Speaker 4: Now he's permanently blind in his left eye.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yes, what's your emotional response knowing what the consequence
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  Speaker 1: of your action was.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have any feeling at all about it. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel sorry about it. I didn't regret it. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to take it back. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: fix anything I did. I didn't feel bad at all.
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  Speaker 4: But after the fact, I felt bad because it's like,
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  Speaker 4: this is an innocent man. I don't know him from anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't know me from anywhere. He's never done anything
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  Speaker 4: to me because we don't know each other. So when
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  Speaker 4: I thought about it, I was like, I almost took
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  Speaker 4: an innocent man's.
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  Speaker 5: Life, and your sentence was My sentence was.
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  Speaker 4: I signed a plea pleading guilty to arm robbery with
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  Speaker 4: serious bodily injury, and I was sentenced to thirty years.
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  Speaker 5: Do fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: You have to deal to with the realization that the
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  Speaker 1: formative years of your children's development, yes, will go on
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  Speaker 1: without you.
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  Speaker 4: It bothers me because like all the little things that
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  Speaker 4: I'm missing out on are all the little things that
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  Speaker 4: I would love to be there for, like my son's
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  Speaker 4: first day of school.
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  Speaker 5: Just all all the little things is what are the
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  Speaker 5: most important to me.
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  Speaker 1: So it hurts it is quite conceivable that they might
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  Speaker 1: have been out of school by the time you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, at the time you get if there's a possibility,
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  Speaker 4: that's if I don't keep If I don't keep myself
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  Speaker 4: out of trouble, and I keep down the path that
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  Speaker 4: I've found myself being on, getting into trouble.
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  Speaker 5: Constantly in and out of lock.
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  Speaker 4: If I if I keep myself on that path, then
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  Speaker 4: I'll find myself not getting home to my kids until
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  Speaker 4: they're grown.
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  Speaker 5: And that's something I don't want to happen.
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  Speaker 4: I want to almost don't, yes, So I would like
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  Speaker 4: to make it home to them before it's too late.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to be able to spend some time
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  Speaker 4: with them before they're too grown.
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  Speaker 1: Keiana Ball is one of those who finds it extremely
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  Speaker 1: difficult to cope with life in prison, compounded by the
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  Speaker 1: fact that bad conduct has got her an additional nine years.
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  Speaker 1: Evening recreation at Rockville, prisoners have an hour's free time
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  Speaker 1: before lights up. The tedium of the unimaginable sameness of
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  Speaker 1: long days poses difficulties for even the toughest offenders, and
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  Speaker 1: the sun there's the constant pain of living with the
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  Speaker 1: memory of what you did. Dawn Hopkins was convicted of
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  Speaker 1: the battery and manslaughter of her three month old son.
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  Speaker 1: After almost fifteen years, she's about to be released. Hello, Deviding,
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  Speaker 1: for interrupt your game for a brief wire. How much
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  Speaker 1: time do you get to play table tennis every day?
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  Speaker 6: We spent about an hour day doing that Monday through Friday.
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  Speaker 6: It gives us something to do and it gets us
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  Speaker 6: off the housing unit. It's a little bit of exercise,
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  Speaker 6: but it's not real intense.
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  Speaker 1: How long have you been at this facility.
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  Speaker 6: I've been incarcerated at this facility for one year, but
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  Speaker 6: I've been incarcerated for fourteen and a half years.
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  Speaker 1: Fourteen and a half years.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, but it's almost over. I have two years left
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  Speaker 6: in like twenty nine.
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  Speaker 8: Months I go home.
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  Speaker 1: In your darkest moments here, have you reflected on the
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  Speaker 1: circumstances which actually brought to prison.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Three months into my incarceration, I tried to take my
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  Speaker 6: own life because I couldn't deal with the guilt of
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  Speaker 6: what I had done to bring myself here. I was
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  Speaker 6: very lucky that an officer found me and saved my life.
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  Speaker 6: I hung myself three months into my stay.
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  Speaker 1: You tried to hang yourself?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 6: I was facing the rest of my life incarcerated. I
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  Speaker 6: was twenty five years old. I had taken another person's
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  Speaker 6: life and I couldn't live with that. And I did
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  Speaker 6: try to take my own life when I was first incarcerated.
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  Speaker 1: So the trigger for your attempting to take your own
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  Speaker 1: life was the fact that you were looking ahead at
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  Speaker 1: this vast, expansive time that you had to do in jail, and.
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  Speaker 6: The guilt, the guilt of taking somebody's life, the pain
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  Speaker 6: that I had caused my family, and I just felt
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  Speaker 6: like I was never going to be able to do
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  Speaker 6: anything positive with my life ever again.
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  Speaker 1: It must be strange to think of going home off
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  Speaker 1: to all this time.
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  Speaker 6: Actually it's terrifying. The world has changed in so many ways.
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  Speaker 6: And when I'm done, i'll have done sixteen years, and
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  Speaker 6: the amount of ways that the world has changed in
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  Speaker 6: that time, it's scary. And I don't have a lot
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  Speaker 6: of family support, so it'll be like standing on my
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  Speaker 6: own two feet for the first.
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  Speaker 5: Time in my life.
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  Speaker 1: What was your early life like.
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  Speaker 6: I was a full time college student. I have a
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  Speaker 6: bachelor's degree in accounting, and I ran a bar that
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  Speaker 6: my stepdad owned. When I go home, I also have
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  Speaker 6: a degree in philosophy that I've earned since I've been incarcerated.
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  Speaker 6: When I go home, I'm hoping to eventually own my
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  Speaker 6: own bakery coffee shop. I want to get my pastry
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  Speaker 6: chef license and do that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: When I go home, you seem to have worked it
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  Speaker 1: out pretty well. You seem determined not to be somebody
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  Speaker 1: who comes back, and you have a plan for your
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  Speaker 1: life in the future.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think that's what you have to do. You
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  Speaker 6: have to set goals and you have to turn your
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  Speaker 6: dream into a goal, set the steps and accomplish them
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  Speaker 6: one at a time to be able to reach your goal.
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  Speaker 6: Otherwise you're just treading water.
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  Speaker 1: For most prisoners here, treading water is the sum total
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  Speaker 1: of their lives. And I'm about to meet a woman
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  Speaker 1: who spent more time in prison than any other in
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the state of Indiana. At Indiana Women's Prison, sixty nine
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  Speaker 1: inmates are here for life. They will, of course, be
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  Speaker 1: denied any chance of a return to their families. For
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the majority, that's the agony that constantly haunts them. One
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  Speaker 1: of the prisoners here came to this place years ago
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  Speaker 1: as a teenager. This is called the programs building. My
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  Speaker 1: escort is Officer Frank Bryant. Well, thank you. One is
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  Speaker 1: our community outreach.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, these ladies up here are working on a quill
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  Speaker 11: I believe never forgot the Vision Room meeting.
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  Speaker 5: Are some examples of some of the things they're making.
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  Speaker 13: I've been here since I was sixteen years old. I've
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: done thirty eight years, so yeah, I don't get out much.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: You've been here since you were sixteen.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but that's a.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Pretty early age to come to prison.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the youngest.
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: I was the youngest offender ever here, and now I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: the longest one to have ever spent as much time here.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's your tag.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, I've got the shortest deals to see.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Number which he aided you come to this prison?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Which year? Seventy five, nineteen seventy.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Five, nineteen seventy five.
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: Yes, I've never driven a car. I never went on
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: a date, never had a checking account. I was never
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: able to be a mother. But a lot of these
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: people in here that are younger, I'm mom.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Do you have many family collections? Do people come to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: visit you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: My sister does with her kids and her great and
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: her grandkids. So I still have a connection out there.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do they regard you? What do they think
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of you and of your situation?
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: Oh, they want me to come home, They want me
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: to my beth Huts. Yeah, want my two nieces. They
• 22:52
  Speaker 13: went and broke their piggy bank and took their money
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: to their mom my sister and said, is this enough
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: to get Aunt Cindy out?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Gosh?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that that's what makes me emotion.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to me to talk about to talk
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to somebody who's been in this situation for thirty eight years.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: When I look back on my life and think all
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the things I have done in that time, and to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: some extent yours has it's in a box. You came
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: into prison at age sixteen? What for murder?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I committed murder?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: What were the circumstances in which you killed someone?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I was abused?
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: I was extremely abused from basically a home that I
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: was living at and I tried to leave and I
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: set a fire trying to get out, and it got
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: out of hand and they died.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: In the fire.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So you started the fire trying to escape?
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And how many people? Six? Six people were in the house? Yes,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and they died?
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: Yes?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Did you not know there were people there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I knew the people were there.
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: What I was thinking was if I set a fire,
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: then everybody can get out and I can run.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: That was my intentions. The fire got out of hand.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: How quickly were you apprehended?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: A couple of months later, I was in the hospital
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: because I was I had burns.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you bunch yourself.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Too trying to save them. That's how I got burned.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I kept trying to go back into the house to
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: get them.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Didn't work. No, No, this is probably a brutal way
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of putting it, and I acknowledge that. But the fact is,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for you, this is it. You will end your life here.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You will end your days here.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I am looking forward to growing old in here.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Because looking forward to that, Yes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: Because you know, I'm going to know that my life
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: is not going to be much longer, and there's something
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: always positive on the other side.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: And I believe that.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It's very good to meet you. Thank you, thank you,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: thank you for talking to me.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: You God bless you, thank you all of you. M
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Early chow line up.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Another day is beginning. That's rocked them. Although the majority
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of inmates here will be released into the community. One day,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: prisoners talk endlessly about the years of family life they
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: have missed. The story of one of the people here, though,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is different. She watched her children grow up when by law,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: she should have been doing life for murder. Linda Darby's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: story is remarkable by any standard. In nineteen seventy two,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: she escaped from prison. She went on the run for
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: more than thirty years, and in that time managed to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: create an entirely new life. To evade capture, she abandoned
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the family and the town she knew. She set out
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to start again in a small town in Tennessee.
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: Derby's escape from the Indiana State Women's Prison was bloody.
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: I was scratched up and bloody and everything from going
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: over the barbar.
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: For the past thirty years or so, the now sixty
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: four four year old has been living in Pulaski. Even
• 27:03
  Speaker 14: Darby doesn't know how. She kept her thirty year secret,
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: married with two children, eight grandchildren. A playset is in
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: the backyard. She cleaned houses for a living. Today, though,
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: this fugitive has a message for people who believed her
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: to be Linda McElroy and not Linda Darby.
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: This is who I am, This is who I am.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So you escaped and you decided to make a clean
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: breast of it, start a new life.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I just changed my last name, changed one digit to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: my social security and that's how I survived.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Were you always in a position where you were looking
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: over your shoulder, wondering whether the next tap on your
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: shoulder would be that of a of an arresting officer,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a policeman, somebody in authority.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: There's always the chance. I was just I just kept
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: asking God, please let me raise my children. I couldn't
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: imagine 'em not being able to take care of theirself.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Did you ever confide in anybody at all about what
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: had happened to you? Now there was nobody who felt
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you could talk to about your life in prison. Before.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I knew that if I involved them then that would
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: put them in the middle of it too, So now
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I did not, But.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It it it. It must be difficult when people talk
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: about their lives, You know, you drifted to talking about
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: what you did earlier. How was how was it possible
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: never to mention anything about your past to your closest friends.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It was hard, It was very hard, but I just
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: kept it within.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: On the day that policeman came to your house on
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that faithful day? What were you What were you planning
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to do on that day?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I had just got through working. I was working for
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: cleaning house that day, and we had came in fixed dinner,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and I was sitting at the kitchen table smoking a cigarette.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: My daughter went to the phone, went to the door
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and Uh, Joe Robinson, who was a policeman that came
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: to the house and I knew him for thirty years.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He said, I'm gonna show you this picture, and Linda,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: tell me if you know who this person is. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I said, it's me. He said no, he said, I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: told him they were wrong. He said, I've known you
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: thirty years. I said, Joe, what's the sense of me lying?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I could sit here and lie all day to you,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and fingerprints don't lie. I said, do you know it?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Soon as you took my finger prints?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: What did you say to your children?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I told you and they said, Mom, we're behind you
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a hundred percent because we'd know you didn't do it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I told 'em that back in nineteen seventy I was
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: accused and convicted then of killing my first ho or
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: my second husband.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: What did they say?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: They said, we don't believe it. We know you didn't
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: do it. And my husband said the same thing.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Were you surprised that you were a an escaped prisoner
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: for so long? Did it surprise you? And now?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And now all I can do is try my best
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to work my way out legally walking out.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: The front door. I've never heard a story of somebody
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: who's been on the run for thirty five years. I've
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: never heard anything quite like it. Linda Darby will probably
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: die in this prison, but unlike the other women here,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: she has memories of thirty five years of freedom. I'm
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: back at Indiana Women's Prison. I'm here to see one
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: inmate whose story I had found particularly disturbing. Cindy White
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: has the unenviable record that being the longest serving female
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: prisoner in the state of Indiana. Release for her is unlikely.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: At the start of her sentence, she was a teenager.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: She's appealed against that sentence again and again.
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: Cindy White was in court again today and her attorney
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: asked the judge for just one thing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: That the court considered whether she was competent to stand
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: trial at the time that she went to trial in
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: nineteen seventy six, But the.
• 32:55
  Speaker 15: Johnson County prosecutor says Cindy White deserves to be in
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: just one place.
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: In prison for the murder of a number of people.
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: Six people, Charles and Carol Robertson with four of their children,
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: who all burned in a fire that White set more
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: than twenty years ago in this Greenwood neighborhood.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I set the fire. It wasn't to kill anybody. It
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: was to ask my way of asking for help.
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: But White now says that she was not fit to
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: stand trial back in nineteen seventy six. She claims that
• 33:27
  Speaker 15: she had been traumatized by years of sexual abuse by
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: her father and even by the people she eventually murdered. Today,
• 33:33
  Speaker 15: Cindy White hopes that a judge will overturn her murder convictions.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: None of her appeals has been successful. Her lost was
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: about ten years ago.
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: Remember, my extended family has said that I had created it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Here. Well, this lady right here, this needle plane. This
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: is my daughter Evie.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: All right, she told you a lot.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, she's probably the strongest woman.
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: I've ever met.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Really, why do you say that?
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Because I can't imagine being faced with what she's been
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: faced with and staying as strong as she.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Is having been here for such a such a long time. Yes,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I love him.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Here. It's kind of like you see what you get.
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: It's we've all been kind of in the same boat, hurt, disappointed, despairs.
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: So when you can reach out to someone that's walked
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: in your shoes, then.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: It makes it easier. So, which which is your I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: in the bottom one, the messy one. Welcome to my home?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Wow, hope? Which is shed with?
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: This is my bunkie.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Would you introduce yourself?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Shyanne Pennington?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Hello, and we'll get along really well.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I mom and her, she says.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Another member of your extended.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, I get them without even realize I have them.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And which is the old bunk?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: This is my bunk. This is where I am secluded in.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I come in and when I don't want to be
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: bothered with somebody or just alone, I will pull out
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and get down there and hide for just a little bit.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: You must have seen her people come and go here.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Oh over the years.
• 35:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, this unit, there's a lot of ins and outs
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: what we call. They finish their time and they go home,
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: and I really don't deal.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: With them too much because well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It hurts because you see people who come here, you
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: get to know them, and then they leave and you stay.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it hurts.
• 35:48
  Speaker 13: I'm not going to say it doesn't, because I've really
• 35:54
  Speaker 13: wanted to have.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: That hope of going home.
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: But as it is now, I know what's for real,
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: and I had to be in reality.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Hope on false hopes.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: But it's a recurring hurt because you see people come
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and go, oh yes, instantly.
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: I'm excited to see them go home because I know
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: that they're going to be doing something that I can't do,
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: and that has to be with their family. But I
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: have made a family in here to take away to
• 36:23
  Speaker 13: the pain.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Why do they keep you wy in your mind? If
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they decided to keep you in these conditions.
• 36:30
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: That's a question I asked all the time. Is what
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: is it that I am not doing?
• 36:36
  Speaker 13: You know, if they tell me what it is that
• 36:38
  Speaker 13: I can do to say, Okay, yes you can go,
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: I'll be more than happy to I'll be more than
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: happy to do it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You've been up for perole.
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: I've been up several times, and each time I'm refused,
• 36:52
  Speaker 13: and I finally got tired because the disappointment when I
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: go up before him, I'm like, yes, this year, I'm
• 36:59
  Speaker 13: going home.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I just know it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: There's no other way.
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: But I'm tired of doing that, and I'm tired of
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: getting my feelings hurt.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: And I figured this way. If they haven't let me.
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: Go in the thirty seven years that I have tried
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: to go, They're never going to let me go. So
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: I've got to make do with what I have and
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: make the best of it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: How have you survived this? For somebody?
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: Is I try to find somebody worse off than me.
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: I try to find someone that needs a kind word,
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: that needs a hug, that needs to be shown that
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: they care. I need to care for something or someone.
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: I want to love.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I want to be loved.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It's a kind of escape from which there is in
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: fact no escape.
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's just that you find that thing that makes
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: you want to say, Okay, I'm going to be okay today.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Hold on to it, however you mentally come to terms
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: with it. It's a very difficult adjustment to make.
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: I want something to show for my life other than
• 38:11
  Speaker 13: a doc.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Number, prison record number.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Right and right now, I don't have it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: There's nothing out there that says Sarah Ciddy White, exists
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: other than the number.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I'm on my way again to the Rockville Correctional Facility
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: for the last time. All the litany of crime as
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you hear about in this prison, perhaps the most shocking
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is that of a mother who kills her child. I'd
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: come to see an inmate i'd met before. Dawn Hopkins
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is now looking forward to her release. She had been
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: forced to give up her first two children because she'd
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: abused them, but in two thousand and one, she was
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: convicted of killing her third child, three month old Noah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: How often do you reflect on the chain of circumstances
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: which actually got you here.
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: Sometimes it just sneaks up on you like that and
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: you don't even realize it, and you're happy, and then
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: you realize that you're sad, you know, and it's something
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: that maybe it's a song that played or something that
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: somebody said, or last weekend was Mother's Day and somebody
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: wished me a happy Mother's Day and it was not good.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: It It just brings all of that back.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Your son was only three months old. The realization that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you took the life of someone to whom you gave
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: birth must be probably the most horrendous thing of all absolutely.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: You know, I can still remember when I found out
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: I was pregnant. You know, I was six weeks pregnant,
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: and they did this ultrasound and there was this little life,
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: and you know, they told me he was like an
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: inch and a half long, and at that moment you
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: could see his heart beat. And I promised at that
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: moment to keep him safe forever, and I didn't. And
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: that makes me feel like a monster, and it makes
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: me feel like I don't even deserve to be alive.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Some days, as an educated person, you must go through
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of self analysis. You must look back and
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: then try to analyze your actions.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: I don't I honestly don't even have an answer for you.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I uh struggled with postpartum depression after
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: the birth of my son. I was seeing a psychologist regularly.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: I was actually in his office the day that I
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: took the life of my son. It was a normal
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: everyday day. I had been to the craft store to
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: buy a Christmas stocking for him. It was right before
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Halloween and I sat, you know, working on the little
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: felt pieces for this stocking for him for his first Christmas,
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: and you know, it was just him and I that
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: day and I, I don't know, he was fussy because
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: he was running. I had a cold, and I don't know.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: I lost my dimper and I should have been better
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: than that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Was that a moment of blind rage?
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: In a moment life changed?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: I was sitting on the couch feeding him, giving him
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: a bottle and talking to my mom on the phone,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: watching The Simpsons, and fifteen minutes later, I was on
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: the phone to the paramedics getting instructions on doing CPR
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: because he wasn't breathing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, gosh, that's it. It's terrible. It's a terrible moment.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: Life happens in a moment, you know, and you never
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: you take life for granted. You never realize what moment
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: it's going to be that your life is going to
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: change forever.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: What did you do when you discovered your son wasn't breathing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: I called the paramedics. I called nine one one, talked
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: to the paramedics, began performing CPR until police officer came
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: in and took over CPR. Then the paramedics got there.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: We all went in an ambulance to the hospital. They
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: after I don't know about they called in saying that
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: they had a child coming in with unresponsive, so they
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: had a chaplain there waiting to talk to me when
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: I got there, and uh, they were able to get
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: his heart beating again, but due to the brain damage,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: he was not breathing on his own. So they yes,
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: he died from shaking baby syndrome.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: How quickly did they blame you for your son's day?
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: But they didn't blame me. I was honest with them.
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  Speaker 6: I told them exactly what happened, as much as I
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  Speaker 6: could remember, because at that point all I wanted to
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  Speaker 6: do was save his life as possible, and it didn't
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: matter what happened to me.
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  Speaker 1: Going through that long process of being in police custody,
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  Speaker 1: that must have been pretty traumatic knowing what had happened.
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  Speaker 6: There were death threats made against me and.
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  Speaker 1: Why people thought you were a child killer. A mother
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: who kills her child is probably held up as one
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  Speaker 1: of the most horrific contemptuous.
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  Speaker 6: In our society. I mean, the only other the most
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  Speaker 6: contemptuous would be a sex offender, you know, somebody that's
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: a pedophile. Other than that, your baby killers.
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  Speaker 1: So you were plastic as a baby killer.
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  Speaker 5: I was that, I am that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a lot more than that as well, but that's
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  Speaker 6: who I am.
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  Speaker 1: I eventually took my leave of Indiana and the many
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  Speaker 1: women behind bars in this state. The thoughts that stay
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: with me are of horrendous crimes and the staggeringly long sentences.
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  Speaker 1: The thoughts too, of wasted lives and the families left behind.