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Sharri | 10 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Good Evening. Was Susan Lee right to dump? You
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Speaker 2: sent an ambajimber Price from shadow cabinet after she refused
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Speaker 2: to endorse her leadership or apologize. I'll get reaction from
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson. Also on the show, why
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Speaker 2: the Harmas billionaires in Qatar are legitimate targets and why
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government, yet again is on the wrong side
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Speaker 2: of history. I'll have full coverage the Aussie schoolboy harassed
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Speaker 2: by the activist on horseback speaks out my exclusive coming up,
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Speaker 2: and American commentator Dave Ruben will be on the show.
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Speaker 2: He'll speak about the media's reluctance to cover the shocking
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Speaker 2: murder of a young Ukrainian refugee. That's all coming up,
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Speaker 2: But first huge news overnight that Israel attacked Hermas senior
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Speaker 2: leadership in Qatar. Her Mus billionaires have been living in
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Speaker 2: extreme luxury in Doha, all the while starved hostages right
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Speaker 2: away in tunnels, and Palestinians suffer in Gaza. Finally, Israel
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Speaker 2: decided to take aim at the very top at the
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Speaker 2: Hamas leadership. This was a daring, courageous move and in
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Speaker 2: my view absolutely the right one. Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminette
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Speaker 2: Yahoo did this after yet another terror attack in Israel
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Speaker 2: this week.
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Speaker 3: Yesterday, four of our soldiers were killed by Hamas Terras
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Speaker 3: and Gaza, and six Israeli civilians were brutally murdered in
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Speaker 3: a bus stop in Jerusalem this morning. Hamas proudly took
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Speaker 3: credit for both of these actions. At noon today, I
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Speaker 3: convened the heads of israel security organizations and authorized a
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Speaker 3: surgical precision strike under terrorists chiefs of Commas. These are
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Speaker 3: the same terrorists who planned, terrorists chiefs who planned, launched,
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Speaker 3: and celebrated the horrific massacres of October seventh.
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Speaker 2: Now it's unclear who precisely has been eliminated and who
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Speaker 2: survived the attack. But even if Israel wasn't successful in
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Speaker 2: killing the Hamas leaders this time, it was certainly successful
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Speaker 2: in sending the message that their safe haven is no longer.
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Speaker 2: These leaders now have a target on their back and
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Speaker 2: they'll never feel safe. Israel is determined to eliminate Harmas,
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Speaker 2: not just the monsters in the tunnels, but the fat
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Speaker 2: cats at the top two Now, some of these Hamas
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Speaker 2: leaders include kar Led Mashael, who is the Hamas political
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Speaker 2: bureau head. He's reportedly worth more than three billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: There's Ghazi Hummad, who had vowed to repeat Hodi seven
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Speaker 2: over and over again. There's Khalil al Haya, who was
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Speaker 2: a close friend of Yaya Sinoa, the mastermind of October seven,
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Speaker 2: who was famously killed last year. Now the Wall Street
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Speaker 2: Journal reports that he had stored hostage negotiations. And here's
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Speaker 2: some more of the group with the former leader Ismaeil
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Speaker 2: Honeyea on a private jet and here in luxury at
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Speaker 2: a hotel. Now, how much warning Israel gave America is
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Speaker 2: still unclear. Trump initially indicated that he'd asked Witkoff to
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Speaker 2: warn Katar in advance, but then later he said he
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Speaker 2: himself did not know before the strikes.
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Speaker 3: So you were plucked by surpriser.
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Speaker 4: I'm never surprised by anything, especially when it comes to
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Speaker 4: the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: And Trump also said that he was unhappy about the
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Speaker 2: hit Qatar.
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Speaker 4: I'll be giving a full statement tomorrow, but I would
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Speaker 4: tell you this. I was very unhappy about it, very
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Speaker 4: unhappy about every aspect. And we've got to get the
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Speaker 4: housages back. But I was very unhappy about the way
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Speaker 4: that went down.
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Speaker 2: Now, in my view, this is likely to be a
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Speaker 2: line to try and maintain good relationships with America's ally Qatar.
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Speaker 2: If witkof wanted to get hold of Qatari leadership, he
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Speaker 2: would have done so. But if it is genuine, if
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Speaker 2: Trump really did try and warn Qatar, then of course
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Speaker 2: that would be a huge betrayal because it means Katar
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Speaker 2: could have worn the Hamas leaders and they would have
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Speaker 2: been able to escape being killed by Israel. But I
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Speaker 2: think when you see those comments where Trump says he's
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Speaker 2: unhappy about it, in my view, he's simply trying to
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Speaker 2: maintain a solid relationship with Katar, and he is also
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Speaker 2: probably frustrated. Trump just wants the war both in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East and Russia and Ukraine to end, and it's
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Speaker 2: proving far more difficult than he imagined. But thankfully he
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Speaker 2: doesn't control Israel. And the reality is that the Hamas
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Speaker 2: leaders living in Qatar have been a legitimate target since
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Speaker 2: October seven. Just last night on this show, we spoke
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Speaker 2: about how Katar has been funding Hamas. Katar has been
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Speaker 2: funding Hamas and provides a safe haven to the billionaires.
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Speaker 5: Correct, so Katar is a small country of less than
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Speaker 5: three hundred thousand citizens, but it's one of the wealthiest
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Speaker 5: countries in the world, and it has by it has
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Speaker 5: a spiritual oath to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood is
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Speaker 5: intent and only destroying Israel, but also destroying Western democratic
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Speaker 5: countries as well. So Katar houses the leadership of the
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Speaker 5: Muslim Brotherhood and still houses the leadership of Khamas and
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Speaker 5: funds Kamas, which is the palest in the chapter of
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Speaker 5: the Muslim brother Yeah, and.
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Speaker 2: Of course they live in luxury and wealth and extravagance.
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Speaker 2: Qatar condemned Israel, not Hermas after October seven, and in
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Speaker 2: fact footage shows Hamas leadership in Qatar celebrating and thanking
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Speaker 2: Allah for the success of that massacre. Qatar has continued
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Speaker 2: to fund and support Hermas while they hold hostages, and
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Speaker 2: this has been the same for nearly two years, more
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Speaker 2: than seven hundred days. Nothing is changing, The hostages are dying.
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Speaker 2: It's not Israel that hasn't agreed to the hostage deal,
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Speaker 2: it's her muss Something has to give, and now Israel
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Speaker 2: is ramping up the pressure on the Harmas billionaires. The
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Speaker 2: terror chiefs as Nettiya, who called them now. Naturally, if
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Speaker 2: we all think something is a good move, the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government has the opposite opinion, and Penniwong and Richard Miles
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Speaker 2: and others today condemned Israel's strike against the terrorists.
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Speaker 6: This strike imperils that ceasefire Violet's Qatar sovereignty.
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Speaker 7: The strikes spy Israel on Qatar are a violation of
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Speaker 7: Qatar's sovereignty.
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Speaker 2: Well, an American politician, Esther Panich put it perfectly when
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Speaker 2: she said this, Dear foreign leaders, your reaction to the
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Speaker 2: killing of a Hamas leader in Qatar should be no
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Speaker 2: different than the killing of Bin Laden in Pakistan. And
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Speaker 2: many today have drawn that same comparison to the US
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Speaker 2: forces tracking down and killing Issama bin Laden after nine
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Speaker 2: to eleven in Pakistan, which is also a sovereign country
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Speaker 2: and an ally of America, and the comparison is right.
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Speaker 2: Our regular commentator on this show, Elon Levy, points out
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Speaker 2: that when the United States eliminated Bin Laden in Pakistan,
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Speaker 2: the question wasn't why is the US attacking a terrorist
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Speaker 2: mastermind in Pakistan? But why was Pakistan sheltering a terrorist
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Speaker 2: mastermind at all? And he also says that the reaction
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Speaker 2: we've seen today is in line with historical condemnations of Israel.
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Speaker 2: He says Israel was condemned for violating Uganda's sovereignty when
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Speaker 2: it rescued hostages from nteb and for violating Argentina's when
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Speaker 2: it captured Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. This is more
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Speaker 2: of the same. Literally, nothing changes. Excellent point, and it
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Speaker 2: didn't have to come to this. The entire international community
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Speaker 2: could have put more pressure on Katar to force Hamas
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Speaker 2: to release the hostages. Qatar could have given Hamas an ultimatum,
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Speaker 2: but all we've heard from the international community is criticism
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Speaker 2: of Israel. And as for this claim that this strike
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Speaker 2: has put negotiations at risk, well that's rubbish. The Hamas
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Speaker 2: leadership in Qatar have refused to agree to the American
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Speaker 2: ceasefire proposal that's been on the table since May. And
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Speaker 2: you also have to ask why are these Hermus leaders
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Speaker 2: billionaires at all? Could it be from the tens of
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars in international aid given to Gaza over
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Speaker 2: the past twenty years.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: One of my favorite satirical clips, which I played here before,
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Speaker 2: shows the Hamas leadership living in luxury in Qatar.
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Speaker 8: The children of Gaza are suffering. They have no food
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Speaker 8: or medically supply. But you can help it. Believez open
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Speaker 9: And and good bliss.
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Speaker 10: What we are.
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Speaker 1: Protz, I just that's money. My dog needs you, our
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Speaker 1: money because.
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Speaker 2: The sky's blad but is always study now it's tragic
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Speaker 2: that it's true, and the world has just turned a
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Speaker 2: blind eye. Unlike the Albaneze government, The Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 2: editorial showed moral clarity yet another excellent editorial. They said this,
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Speaker 2: The Katari Foreign ministry called the strike a criminal assault
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Speaker 2: and it's no small step to Bamas not at war,
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Speaker 2: but that's a risk Qatar incurred by hosting harmasa's head office.
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Speaker 2: Qatar blamed Israel on October seven, and its defense minister
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Speaker 2: once wrote we are all Harmas. And the editorial also
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Speaker 2: mentions how Trump had issued Hamas a final warning. Yesterday
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Speaker 2: He said on truth Social that the Israelis had accepted
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Speaker 2: his terms and it is time for Hermas to accept
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal points out that same day, one
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Speaker 2: of harmasa's senior terrorists in suits called the Trump proposal
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Speaker 2: a humiliating surrendered document. The terrorists in Doha should have
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Speaker 2: taken the offer, and it's worth remembering that, as John
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Speaker 2: Howard told me on Monday night, Israel did not start
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Speaker 2: this war. That is why it's so important to keep
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Speaker 2: reminding ourselves that it was Hamas that started the Lighters conflict. Now,
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Speaker 2: in my view, Israel needs to bring the hostages home
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Speaker 2: one thousand percent, but it also will never be secure
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Speaker 2: with terrorists on its star step. October seven cannot happen again,
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Speaker 2: and Israel does need to eliminate Himas and Nadiyah, who
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Speaker 2: said that targeting the leadyship he believes can help end
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Speaker 2: the war, and.
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Speaker 3: This action can open the door to an end of
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Speaker 3: the war, end of the war in Gaza. Israel has
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Speaker 3: accepted the principles the proposal put forward by President Trump
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Speaker 3: to end the war, beginning with the immediate release of
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Speaker 3: all our hostages, which have been held in the dungeons
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Speaker 3: of Gaza for seven hundred days. If President Trump's proposal
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Speaker 3: is accepted, the war can end immediately.
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Speaker 2: Netanyahu also urged Palestinians to reject Hermas and to chew
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Speaker 2: Who's a different future. And this is what I admire
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Speaker 2: about Nedinnyahu. We all sit here as we did last
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Speaker 2: night on this show, complaining about the Hamas billionaires living
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Speaker 2: a life of luxury, seemingly protected in Qatar, and he
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Speaker 2: takes action. He targets them. He is trying to destroy
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Speaker 2: the terrorists from the very top, and you have to
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Speaker 2: admit it is rare to see this kind of strength
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Speaker 2: in a world leader. I believe the passage of time
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Speaker 2: will be far more generous to Nettinnyawhu's legacy than the
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Speaker 2: criticism we see today. And remember, Winston Churchill suffered a
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Speaker 2: loss in the nineteen forty five elections held after World
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Speaker 2: War Two. It was humiliating for him. He'd managed a victory,
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Speaker 2: he'd managed to defeat Nazi Germany with incredible leadership, but
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Speaker 2: he wasn't thanked for it at the time. Now our
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Speaker 2: return to the strike and Katai in just a moment
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Speaker 2: with both an Israeli expert and American commentator Dave Ruben.
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Speaker 2: But now let's turn to tonight's breaking news. Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: has dumped Justinta Namba jimper Price from shadow cabinet. This
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Speaker 2: after Jacinta refused to apologize for remarks that offended the
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Speaker 2: Indian community, and then today she declined to endorse the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader.
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Speaker 3: Do you have confidence in her leadership?
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Speaker 11: Look again, those matters are for our party room.
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Speaker 2: Those matters are for our party room. Susan Lee felt
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Speaker 2: she was left with no option but to ask Jacinta
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Speaker 2: to step down when she wouldn't endorse her leadership. It's
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Speaker 2: my understanding that Lee sought the view of many in
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party and they agreed that Price continuing in
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Speaker 2: shadow cabinet was untenable. Dave Sharma said as much publicly
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Speaker 2: on Chris Kenny Show earlier this evening. He said, if
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Speaker 2: Gesiner Price wasn't happy, she should step down from shadow cabinet. So,
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Speaker 2: around nineteen minutes ago, Susan Lee made this.
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Speaker 11: Announcement Senator just into Nampa, jimper Price has failed a
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Speaker 11: test of high standard that I have set for members
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Speaker 11: of my shadow ministry. Confidence in the leader is a
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Speaker 11: requirement for serving in the shadow ministry. A few a
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Speaker 11: couple of hours ago, I spoke to the Senator and
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Speaker 11: I advised her of my decision.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in our Wednesday panel now from a Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party President Michael Kroeger and labor legend. Gray and
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Speaker 2: Richardson always love having you both in the show. Michael,
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Speaker 2: do you think Susan was right to dump just Into Price.
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Speaker 1: Or Sarry?
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Speaker 6: She had absolutely no choice. What was just Into thinking?
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Speaker 6: I mean three times she we all love just In
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Speaker 6: the Price. But if you're asked three times publicly whether
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Speaker 6: you support the leader and you won't say yes, of
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Speaker 6: course you have to be asked from the shadow ministry.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know what she was thinking. I
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Speaker 6: mean that's politics one O one. When you know, I
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Speaker 6: remember in nineteen seventy four when Tony Staley rich I'll
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Speaker 6: remember this, Tony Staley was Bill Snedden's Parliamentary secretary. You
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Speaker 6: didn't have confidence in Snedni resigned. Now it's slightly different
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Speaker 6: because he wasn't asked publicly. But if you don't have
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Speaker 6: confidence in your leader, you are free to resign from
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Speaker 6: the shadow cabinet. But if you're af publicly whether you
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Speaker 6: support the leader, what else was Susan Leader to Susan
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Speaker 6: Lee was absolutely correct. I'm sorry to say this to
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Speaker 6: the Cinder, but you have to support the leader. I mean,
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Speaker 6: Pleba sick. Everyone knows. Tonya Plublacy absolutely loathes Alban easy.
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Speaker 6: But if she's asked publicly, of course she supports the letter.
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Speaker 6: There's a team business, you know, even though you're a
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Speaker 6: star winger, you can't kick the ball in any direction
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Speaker 6: you like. You've actually got to kick it towards your goals.
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Speaker 6: So Jacinta did the wrong thing today, and of course
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Speaker 6: it was a sacking effe and Susan Lee was one
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Speaker 6: hundred percent correction correct. She had no choice. And you know,
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Speaker 6: I think the Liberal Party Australia wide probably needs a
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Speaker 6: bit more discipline and Susan Lee has led the way
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Speaker 6: and pointing that out to people today.
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Speaker 2: In a sense, just Center's answer at that press conference
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Speaker 2: was a challenge to Susan Lee. If Susan Lee wouldn't
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Speaker 2: have acted and asked her to leave Shadow Cabinet, then
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Speaker 2: her authority would have been diminished. What do you think
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Speaker 2: about that, Ritro, I think that's right.
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Speaker 12: I think her authority would definitely have been diminished. I
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Speaker 12: don't think she had too many choices about what she
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Speaker 12: was about to do, and I don't think what she
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Speaker 12: did surprise any of us.
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Speaker 2: And this all could have been handled differently. J Just
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Speaker 2: Sinda could still be serving in Shadow Cabinet Ritro.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. It could have been
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Speaker 12: handled differently, but it wasn't and he have to deal
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Speaker 12: with what's in front of you and not with what
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Speaker 12: you wish was in front of you.
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Speaker 2: What's the most depressing thing about this whole saga is
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Speaker 2: that the focus is on internal disunity and the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party instead of the focus being on the terrible Albanezy government.
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Speaker 2: And it's only going to get worse over the next
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Speaker 2: few days. Tonight, Holly Hughes launched Spray at ger Center.
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Speaker 2: This is Holly speaking to James McPherson. Have a look, but.
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Speaker 13: If you want to be part of the shadow ministerial tape,
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Speaker 13: you need to make sure that you're able to demonstrate unity,
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Speaker 13: discipline and respect and unfortunately that is not what we've
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Speaker 13: seen over the past couple of days.
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Speaker 1: Just since you could have apologized.
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Speaker 13: For those comments and everyone could have moved on. Like
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Speaker 13: you and so many of our viewers, we want to
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Speaker 13: see an opposition that takes it up to the Labor.
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Speaker 2: Party, Michael. We've also seen from a couple of different
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Speaker 2: people on air this evening, including Rowan Dean, that Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee's leadership is it's just a matter of time. I
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Speaker 2: think the words he might have used is that it's
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Speaker 2: the big getting of the end for Susan Lee's leadership.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree with this or do you think she's
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Speaker 2: now cemented her authority seeing as she's taken this action.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the latter.
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Speaker 6: I mean, if leaders don't exercise the authority of they got,
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Speaker 6: they'll lose it. And she exercised that authority tonight. You know,
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Speaker 6: let's be very frank about this. Shari Just sinder Price
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Speaker 6: is immensely popular in the party branches, but that same
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Speaker 6: popularity will translate into people saying that Susan Lea did
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Speaker 6: the right thing tonight. Every person that loves just Cinda
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Speaker 6: as I do. I say, and I'm sure most party
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Speaker 6: members would say that Susan Lee had absolutely no option.
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Speaker 6: So I actually think her authority is enhanced. It's unfortunate
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Speaker 6: that circumstances that that have come about, but she's exercised
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Speaker 6: the authority that any leader would. I mean, no leader
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Speaker 6: can accept a shadow capinet colleague who says it's a
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Speaker 6: matter for the party room. We know that, but the
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Speaker 6: form of words is, well, it's a well traveled path.
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Speaker 6: So I don't agree with Rowan. I think it's probably
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Speaker 6: made Susan Lee stronger because it makes it clear to
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Speaker 6: people she's not prepared to put up with stuff. I mean,
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Speaker 6: you know, I've seen a lot of leaders overestimated in
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Speaker 6: the past and a lot underestimated. I think people are
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Speaker 6: underestimating Susan Lee. I just have that feeling that if
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Speaker 6: you look at her history, her career, what she's done
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Speaker 6: in her life, this woman's got dirt under the fingernails.
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Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what, in public life, dirt under
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Speaker 6: the fingernails carries you a long long way, as it
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Speaker 6: did for people like Howard whose father and a petrol station,
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Speaker 6: as it did for Bob Hawk, as it did for
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Speaker 6: Paul Keating that never went to university, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: And Howard said the same thing when he was on
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Speaker 2: the show here on Monday night. He said she needs
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Speaker 2: to be given a chance. He said that he believes
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Speaker 2: she has talent. And now I want to turn to
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Speaker 2: this story that we've been covering this week of the
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Speaker 2: hoss riding pro Palestinian activist. Now, what is so shocking
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Speaker 2: is that he yelled at a young school student. I
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Speaker 2: showed this footage last night. He told him to go
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Speaker 2: educate himself while he was wagging his finger. Well, after
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Speaker 2: covering this last night, I spoke today with the boy's
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Speaker 2: mother and she told me that her sign is just
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Speaker 2: twelve years old. He's a regular Aussie school kid. And
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Speaker 2: she gave me this footage. Here's what her son filmed
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Speaker 2: of the activist lecturing him. Have a look, I feel
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Speaker 2: bad for your horse, for your parents.
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Speaker 14: Oh my god, cry out of.
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Speaker 6: Bye got shut up?
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Speaker 2: Was now that is a grown adult berating a schoolboy.
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Speaker 2: And I asked the boy's mom how she felt about
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Speaker 2: this activist wagging his finger at her sign and flying
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Speaker 2: the flag in his face and telling him to educate himself,
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Speaker 2: and and the school boy's mom told me, let's get
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Speaker 2: her line up on screen. She said, I believe it
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Speaker 2: would be more appropriate for this grown man to educate
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Speaker 2: himself and show some respect for Australian laws and Australian
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Speaker 2: values common sense from the school boats mother, you can
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Speaker 2: see where he gets his courage from. And what had
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Speaker 2: happened was her son, I'd got home from school on Monday,
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Speaker 2: it was sunny out. It's been raining in Sydney for
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Speaker 2: weeks and weeks, so he went for a bike ride
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Speaker 2: with his friend. Now The Sun told me that this
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Speaker 2: video shows the man on the hoss antagonizing me and
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Speaker 2: waving a very large flag in my face. I'm just
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Speaker 2: a kid who went out for a bike ride with
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Speaker 2: my mate on a Sunday afternoon after weeks of bad weather.
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Speaker 2: I didn't go there to cause trouble. I just found
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Speaker 2: myself in that uncomfortable situation. And he says, I'm really
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Speaker 2: grateful for all the support I've received, both online and
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Speaker 2: in person. I think it's incredible that this school kid
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Speaker 2: had the courage to stand up to that pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: activist who was telling him he feels sorry for his parents.
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Speaker 2: He never should have been in that position. I'd be
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Speaker 2: furious if I was that boy's mother, I mean, an
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Speaker 2: activist telling him he feels sorry for his parents. Michael,
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Speaker 2: good on the boy for standing up for himself. What
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Speaker 2: do you think?
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Speaker 6: What a hero that kid is. And he's twelve. Congratulations
23:22
Speaker 6: to his parents. He's been well brought up, standing up
23:27
Speaker 6: for himself at twelve. He's going to make something of
23:28
Speaker 6: his life. That kid. So a little boy goes to
23:32
Speaker 6: the beach. He's sitting there at the beach with his
23:34
Speaker 6: mate and a fellow on a horse, is riding up
23:40
Speaker 6: and down carrying a Palestinian flag on an afternoon during
23:45
Speaker 6: the weekday, no consider of anyone's safety against the laws.
23:51
Speaker 6: I think he've pointed out and abuses a twelve year
23:53
Speaker 6: old kid. Well done, mister Horseman. You are an absolute
23:58
Speaker 6: star son. You're aute riding a horse around with a
24:01
Speaker 6: Palestinian flag. That's advancing your cause abusing young children. You've
24:06
Speaker 6: really advanced the cause of the Palestinian people who have
24:09
Speaker 6: got it suffered enough persecution by Hamas mate. You should
24:13
Speaker 6: be directing your anger not at that twelve year old boy,
24:15
Speaker 6: but the scum in Gaza who have used innocent Palestinians
24:20
Speaker 6: as human shields for two years. That's where you should
24:23
Speaker 6: be directing your anger, mister Horseman, not of that little boy.
24:27
Speaker 1: Rich.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think it's so sad to see
24:30
Speaker 2: a kid getting harassed verbally like this.
24:34
Speaker 12: Well, I think it says a lot more about the
24:38
Speaker 12: abuser than the abused, and I feel for the kid.
24:44
Speaker 12: You shouldn't have to be confronted by that sort of thing.
24:49
Speaker 12: I hope he gets over it quickly.
24:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure you will get over it quickly.
24:55
Speaker 2: But the fact is, rich O, that these are the
24:58
Speaker 2: scenes that are going to become more and more comment
25:00
Speaker 2: because just on Sunday we saw the pro Palestinian activists
25:04
Speaker 2: take to Bondai Beach. It was intimidating, it was antagonizing.
25:09
Speaker 2: I just think it is time for laws to say,
25:12
Speaker 2: protest in the city where you have been, but not
25:15
Speaker 2: on beaches. It should be a safe environment for everyone.
25:18
Speaker 2: Rich O, what do you think?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think there's there's a point there. I think
25:24
Speaker 12: if you go down to the beach for a swim,
25:26
Speaker 12: you shouldn't feel endangered. You should always feel comfortable. And
25:31
Speaker 12: you know, we we have enough problems in our world
25:34
Speaker 12: without this one adding to them.
25:36
Speaker 2: Exactly, all right, Graham Richards and Michael Kroeger. Great to
25:40
Speaker 2: have you as always on a Wednesday.
25:42
Speaker 6: Thanks Sherry.
25:44
Speaker 2: Now still to come. Why has the media only just
25:47
Speaker 2: started paying attention to the brutal murder of a Ukrainian refugee.
25:51
Speaker 2: American commentator Dave Ruben will be on the show and
25:55
Speaker 2: the latest information on exactly who was killed in Israel's
25:58
Speaker 2: strike on Qatar. An analyst will join me after this
26:02
Speaker 2: quick break. Well, let's return to today's top story, Israel's
26:10
Speaker 2: strike on the billionaire Hamas leadership in Kata, and joining
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Speaker 2: me now is Middle East analyst Daniel Rubinstein. Daniel, thank
26:17
Speaker 2: you for your time. Now. Hamas claims that five of
26:20
Speaker 2: the group's lower ranking members were killed. What do we
26:23
Speaker 2: know so far about who exactly has been eliminated in
26:27
Speaker 2: this strike.
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Speaker 7: I am still waiting on confirmation. As you said, Hamas
26:33
Speaker 7: said that some of its lower level leaders were killed,
26:36
Speaker 7: but the senior leadership remains alive. As we wait for
26:40
Speaker 7: more information, one thing is clear, and it's that the
26:43
Speaker 7: leadership of the Hamas terrorist army, the guys who planned
26:47
Speaker 7: the October seventh massacre, celebrated it demanded a ransom in
26:51
Speaker 7: exchange for the safe return of Israeli grandmothers who they
26:55
Speaker 7: took from their homes. These guys are not free to
26:58
Speaker 7: plan any more attacks. My Minister Natanyahu has said that
27:02
Speaker 7: Hamas leaders everywhere will not enjoy immunity, and I think
27:05
Speaker 7: it's time for the whole world to stand up and
27:07
Speaker 7: say the same, very clear message.
27:10
Speaker 2: Critics of the strike argue that it risks escalation. Are
27:15
Speaker 2: there serious concerns now about retaliation from Qatar on Israel.
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Speaker 7: I think one simple point needs to be made very clear,
27:26
Speaker 7: and it is that the Hamas terrorist army seeks the
27:29
Speaker 7: destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jewish people.
27:33
Speaker 7: So there is no reason to suggest that going after
27:37
Speaker 7: the people who are trying to annihilate you risks escalation.
27:41
Speaker 7: Hamas carried out a major escalation nearly two years ago,
27:45
Speaker 7: and it continues to fight from the same areas where
27:48
Speaker 7: it was based on October the seventh.
27:51
Speaker 2: But that's talking about Hamas. But I'm asking about Qatar.
27:55
Speaker 2: Could there be retaliation from Qatar.
27:58
Speaker 7: I don't expect kut Oar to retaliate. I assume that
28:01
Speaker 7: what Katar really wants to do is to decrease the
28:04
Speaker 7: tension in the region. But some things need to be
28:06
Speaker 7: made very clear about Qatar. Katar has a reputation for
28:11
Speaker 7: being a fair mediator in the Israel Hamas war. What
28:14
Speaker 7: people need to understand is that the Qatari royal family
28:17
Speaker 7: is completely on the side of Hamas. On October seventh,
28:21
Speaker 7: Katar condemned Israel, not Hamas, and this was while the
28:24
Speaker 7: Hamas leaders were living in Doha and watching the attacks
28:28
Speaker 7: on Al Jazeera in the background and praying to God,
28:32
Speaker 7: thanking God for the success of their operation. Katar has
28:35
Speaker 7: been trying to get Israel to pay an impossibly high
28:38
Speaker 7: ransom in exchange for the remaining hostages. Israel has been
28:41
Speaker 7: willing to pay a very high ransom, but it's not
28:44
Speaker 7: a payment that Hamas has been willing to accept because
28:46
Speaker 7: it requires Hamas to leave power in Gaza and let
28:50
Speaker 7: all of the hostages go.
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Speaker 2: Australia's Foreign Minister Pennywong said today that the strikes on
28:56
Speaker 2: Qatar with a wrong thing to do. She said, Kata
28:59
Speaker 2: has been as you just mentioned, they are one of
29:01
Speaker 2: the parties seeking an immediate cease fire, and she claimed
29:05
Speaker 2: working with the US and the return of hostages. She
29:08
Speaker 2: also said it's a violation of their sovereignty. What's your
29:11
Speaker 2: response to, Pennywong.
29:14
Speaker 7: I think the idea of an immediate ceasefire sounds really
29:18
Speaker 7: nice if you have no idea what you're talking about.
29:21
Speaker 7: But if you do have an idea of what you're
29:23
Speaker 7: talking about, you understand that right now, an immediate ceasefire
29:27
Speaker 7: means that Hamas remains in control of Gaza, that Hamas
29:30
Speaker 7: keeps all of its weapons in Gaza and that Hamas
29:33
Speaker 7: continues to hold on to the hostages. That's what immediate
29:36
Speaker 7: ceasefire means. The people of Israel don't have the luxury
29:39
Speaker 7: of accepting an immediate ceasefire when the same Hamas terrorist
29:42
Speaker 7: army is saying that we're going to carry out more
29:44
Speaker 7: October seventh massacres until Israel is destroyed. We need very
29:48
Speaker 7: clear statements from every world leader, including the Australian Prime
29:51
Speaker 7: Minister and Foreign Minister, a very simple and clear message
29:55
Speaker 7: that Hamas needs to surrender, give up power, release the hostages,
29:58
Speaker 7: and let this war end.
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Speaker 1: Hmmm.
30:01
Speaker 2: Do you think it is disappointing that many world leaders,
30:04
Speaker 2: including in Australia, were silent, literally had nothing to say
30:09
Speaker 2: about the Jerusalem terror attack this week, Yet they came
30:12
Speaker 2: out immediately to condemn the strike on terror lead as
30:17
Speaker 2: in Kata.
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Speaker 7: Of course it's disappointing. I have one simple question that
30:22
Speaker 7: I think helps everyone understand the situation. The simple question
30:25
Speaker 7: is what is Hamas's strategy? How does Hamas expect to
30:30
Speaker 7: survive this war to remain in power, to keep its weapons,
30:33
Speaker 7: and to keep the hostages. Hamas's strategy is to bring
30:38
Speaker 7: huge amount of global pressure on Israel to stop the
30:41
Speaker 7: war while Hamas is still in power and still holding hostages.
30:44
Speaker 7: So the disappointing statements of world leaders who are trying
30:47
Speaker 7: to find some middle ground by delivering statements that are
30:51
Speaker 7: effectively a word salad, they give a little bit of
30:53
Speaker 7: something to everybody. This is what is prolonging the war
30:56
Speaker 7: and giving Hamas hope that if it just holds out
30:59
Speaker 7: a little bit longer, it can survive this war. There
31:01
Speaker 7: is no future for the Israeli people, for the Palestinian
31:04
Speaker 7: people if Hamas remains in control of Gaza, and I
31:07
Speaker 7: expect every world leader to say this message loud and clear,
31:10
Speaker 7: after two years of this, enough.
31:12
Speaker 2: Is enough, exactly exactly. I just want to ask you
31:15
Speaker 2: about these conflicting reports about whether Trump was given notice
31:20
Speaker 2: by Israel, how much warning he was given if he was,
31:23
Speaker 2: and then whether or not Katar was tipped off before
31:27
Speaker 2: the attack or ten minutes after the attack. That you know,
31:29
Speaker 2: there's been so much different information coming out today. What
31:33
Speaker 2: are you hearing.
31:35
Speaker 7: I assume that President Trump did receive some advance warning
31:39
Speaker 7: for the simple reason that the Americans have a very
31:42
Speaker 7: large military base in Qatar, and the approach of foreign
31:46
Speaker 7: planes or missiles to Katari airspace would have certainly been
31:49
Speaker 7: a huge concern for the American military, which is based
31:52
Speaker 7: in Katar. I have seen reports that President Trump received
31:55
Speaker 7: the initial warning from the American military, and then President
31:58
Speaker 7: Trump called his advisors Ve Witkoff and Steve Whitcoff, then
32:01
Speaker 7: alerted the Kataris. The timing is not really clear. The
32:04
Speaker 7: advanced coordination is not yet clear. What is clear is
32:07
Speaker 7: the aftermath, which is that the rules of the game
32:10
Speaker 7: have changed. Israel has waited for nearly two years for
32:13
Speaker 7: Hamas leaders to agree to end the war and release
32:16
Speaker 7: the hostages. Hamas has refused to budge. The Katari royal
32:19
Speaker 7: family is firmly in the Katari in the in the
32:22
Speaker 7: Hamas camp, and Israel's patience has run out while the
32:24
Speaker 7: hostages are still in Gaza being tortured and starved underground
32:29
Speaker 7: in tunnels. Right now as we speak, Hamas is torturing
32:32
Speaker 7: and starving the hostages. Their time is running out. Israel
32:35
Speaker 7: needed to act.
32:37
Speaker 2: Right, Daniel, really appreciate your time and completely agree with
32:40
Speaker 2: those final sentiments. As I said earlier in the show,
32:42
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Now coming up, how Big, the
32:45
Speaker 2: Big Prize Britney Higgins is paying for refusing to say sorry,
32:50
Speaker 2: and American commentator Dave Ruben rips into the left media
32:54
Speaker 2: for refusing to cover the brutal murder of a Ukrainian refugee.
32:57
Speaker 2: He's on the show next Welcome Back. Dave Ruben is
33:05
Speaker 2: a global TV host, author and commentator. He's heading to
33:09
Speaker 2: Australia for a speaking tour next month, and I sat
33:12
Speaker 2: down with him a little earlier. Dave, great to know
33:16
Speaker 2: that you're coming to Australia soon, but got to warn
33:18
Speaker 2: you our country at the moment is like yours would
33:21
Speaker 2: have been if Kamala Harris had won.
33:23
Speaker 1: Oh good God.
33:25
Speaker 10: Is that your way of telling me not to come
33:27
Speaker 10: because we already booked the ticket. I mean, the hotels
33:29
Speaker 10: are taken care of. I kind of want to do this.
33:32
Speaker 2: No, we need your common sense. It's just a warning. Look,
33:36
Speaker 2: I want to start with the breaking news overnight about
33:39
Speaker 2: Israel targeting the Hamas leadership the billionaires in Qatar. Controversial
33:45
Speaker 2: with the United States. Do you think this is a
33:47
Speaker 2: good move?
33:48
Speaker 1: Yeah?
33:49
Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I can say broadly in the
33:50
Speaker 10: United States, except with the sort of hysterical progressive far
33:54
Speaker 10: left movement, which is very loud, and it's hard to
33:56
Speaker 10: quantify their actual numbers. I mean, most Americans are completely
33:59
Speaker 10: for this. Let's not forget even if you don't care
34:02
Speaker 10: about Israel or you don't particularly care about.
34:04
Speaker 1: Jews or anything else.
34:05
Speaker 10: Hamas killed forty seven Americans on October seventh. I also
34:10
Speaker 10: like the fact that you just said billionaires, because we
34:13
Speaker 10: are sold this lie that the Palestinians are this endlessly
34:17
Speaker 10: impoverished group of people who have no aid and no
34:20
Speaker 10: one cares about them and all of these things. And
34:23
Speaker 10: that is true to the extent that the people that
34:26
Speaker 10: live in Gaza are living under squalor conditions because of Hamas.
34:32
Speaker 10: But the leadership of Hamas has basically been treated like royalty.
34:36
Speaker 1: In Doha.
34:37
Speaker 10: They were told to leave Qatar, which I'm told is
34:40
Speaker 10: an American ally, and they did not. Some of them,
34:42
Speaker 10: i suppose, went to Turkey. But Israel is doing what
34:45
Speaker 10: any nation on Earth should do. There's a reason we
34:48
Speaker 10: have sovereign nations. The Australian nation exists to protect and
34:53
Speaker 10: defend the lives of the Australian people, and hopefully it
34:56
Speaker 10: does that to the best of its ability. Even when
34:58
Speaker 10: you have governments that are aren't so great. The Israeli
35:01
Speaker 10: government exists to defend the life of Israeli citizens and
35:05
Speaker 10: do what they can to stop more lives from being
35:09
Speaker 10: lost after the most unimaginable tragedy that was less than
35:11
Speaker 10: two years ago October seven.
35:13
Speaker 2: Dave, just moving on to another topic. I saw you
35:15
Speaker 2: did this incredible report on the twenty three year old
35:18
Speaker 2: Ukrainian refugee Irena, who was brutally murdered. Now, this took
35:24
Speaker 2: a while to become a big story, but when this
35:26
Speaker 2: disturbing footage was released of her murder a few days ago,
35:31
Speaker 2: it really became in the mainstream media.
35:34
Speaker 6: Dave.
35:35
Speaker 2: Why do you think the left media in particular have
35:38
Speaker 2: been so reluctant to report this.
35:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, this story is so deep and it's touching so
35:44
Speaker 10: many nerves, and it is a huge story now, but
35:47
Speaker 10: you're right, it took It was like a slow rolled
35:49
Speaker 10: huge story because the narrative didn't fit what the narrative
35:53
Speaker 10: and the machine and the mainstream media like. They like
35:55
Speaker 10: a story where a white person happens to kill a
35:58
Speaker 10: black person. That's very infrequent, by by the way, but
36:00
Speaker 10: if they get one of those, they love it. And
36:02
Speaker 10: we get riots on the streets, and we get you know,
36:04
Speaker 10: businesses burned down in the name of tolerance and Dursey
36:06
Speaker 10: and all of those things. This happened a few weeks
36:08
Speaker 10: ago in August, but what caused it to catch fire
36:11
Speaker 10: over the last few days is that the video of
36:13
Speaker 10: the light rail was actually shown, and just in the
36:15
Speaker 10: last few hours, the extended video was shown, and I
36:19
Speaker 10: watched it, and it's unimaginable. I doubt you guys are
36:22
Speaker 10: going to show the full thing on sky, and you
36:23
Speaker 10: probably shouldn't. But a man for no reason, for no reason,
36:28
Speaker 10: sitting behind this beautiful, young twenty three year old woman
36:31
Speaker 10: who came to America as a refugee from UK murders
36:36
Speaker 10: her in cold blood. He does, as he's walking off,
36:40
Speaker 10: reference something about a white girl or a white chick.
36:42
Speaker 1: It's a little hard to understand.
36:44
Speaker 10: So now there's a racial connotation that doesn't fit the
36:47
Speaker 10: intersectional matrix. The way that the media usually talks about
36:50
Speaker 10: race and the real story, though beyond the horrific incident,
36:55
Speaker 10: is the way the media ignores things that don't fit
36:58
Speaker 10: the narrative. We all know, everyone watching this knows if
37:02
Speaker 10: this was a white man sitting behind a beautiful twenty
37:06
Speaker 10: three year old black girl, and he stabbed her and
37:09
Speaker 10: killed her in cold blood, and nobody else on the
37:11
Speaker 10: butt on the light light rail did anything. The media
37:14
Speaker 10: would be going crazy. We in the United States right now,
37:17
Speaker 10: we'd be having massive rallies in all of our major cities.
37:20
Speaker 10: The Democrats would be out there talking about systemic racism
37:23
Speaker 10: and slavery's America's original sin and all these things. And
37:27
Speaker 10: instead the media just chose to hide it. So, you know,
37:30
Speaker 10: people think of fake news as oh, the headline doesn't
37:33
Speaker 10: match the story. The fake news that I'm interested in
37:36
Speaker 10: is this the fake news when the media goes out
37:38
Speaker 10: of its way to hide something. But then, thank god,
37:40
Speaker 10: because you know, for Elon Muskin X, where things get
37:43
Speaker 10: seen and then finally they bubble into the mainstream. So
37:46
Speaker 10: this story just has the markings of everything. It has
37:49
Speaker 10: the markings of fake news, It has the markings of
37:51
Speaker 10: a reverse racial situation, it has the markings of blue cities,
37:55
Speaker 10: Democrat run cities where policing is improper, and everyone in
37:59
Speaker 10: America's feeling this one very very intensely right now.
38:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been absolutely shocking that so much of the media,
38:06
Speaker 2: we're not covering this because it didn't suit their narrative.
38:09
Speaker 2: And it just shows how much ideology has infected the
38:12
Speaker 2: mainstream media and that then in turn influences what people
38:16
Speaker 2: think about the world.
38:18
Speaker 10: Well, look, when you put ideology, especially if you're a journalist,
38:21
Speaker 10: and we don't have many journalists left in America, real journalists.
38:24
Speaker 10: But when you put ideology over truth, you're not a
38:27
Speaker 10: journalist anymore. A journalist should be aiming to uncover truth.
38:30
Speaker 10: If you are putting ideology over truth, you're a propagandist.
38:34
Speaker 10: And I would say, largely what we have at CNN
38:37
Speaker 10: and certainly MSNBC and most of our outlets now are
38:40
Speaker 10: propagandists who were masked as journalists, and that's what's also
38:43
Speaker 10: leading to the rise of people like me. So it's
38:46
Speaker 10: nice in some sense and that it's allowed me for
38:48
Speaker 10: a career, But I give you my word, I would
38:50
Speaker 10: gladly hang up my hat on this thing. If they
38:53
Speaker 10: would just do their job, it would be better for
38:55
Speaker 10: the country.
38:55
Speaker 1: But they won't.
38:56
Speaker 2: No. Indeed, we're seeing a backlash against math migration programs
39:01
Speaker 2: in parts of Europe. We've also had protests on the
39:04
Speaker 2: streets here in Australia as well recently, and there's debate
39:09
Speaker 2: around the level and the nature of migration. What do
39:12
Speaker 2: you think needs to be done? And more importantly, how
39:15
Speaker 2: did we get to this point?
39:17
Speaker 1: Boy, it's a big question. Look.
39:19
Speaker 10: First off, as I said earlier, every nation exists as
39:22
Speaker 10: a sovereign nation and has borders to defend its people
39:25
Speaker 10: and its culture. And Australia has a distinct culture and
39:28
Speaker 10: people and history that is different than the people of
39:30
Speaker 10: the United States. That's different than the people of Japan
39:33
Speaker 10: or Mexico or anywhere else. And each country has to
39:35
Speaker 10: decide who can live within its borders and who are
39:39
Speaker 10: the people that are there to share in the goodness
39:42
Speaker 10: of that country. You know, one of the saddest things
39:45
Speaker 10: that I've seen post October seventh, as it relates to
39:48
Speaker 10: this actually relates to Australia, which was when I saw
39:51
Speaker 10: outside of the Sydney Opera House, you know what seemed
39:55
Speaker 10: like hundreds of Islamists chanting gas the Jews. One of
39:58
Speaker 10: the best days of my life life took place right
40:01
Speaker 10: there when I performed at the Cindi Opera House with
40:03
Speaker 10: Jordan Peterson in twenty eighteen. It's the most exquisitely beautiful theater. Ever,
40:07
Speaker 10: it was an afternoon show on a gorgeous day with
40:10
Speaker 10: that wonderful boardwalk, and I have such an affinity for
40:12
Speaker 10: the Australian people, So to see something like that in Australia,
40:16
Speaker 10: no one outside of Australia thinks. Boys, you think of Australia,
40:18
Speaker 10: you don't think of Islamists marching in the street kill
40:21
Speaker 10: the Jews, right, You think of Crocodile Dundee and Steve
40:24
Speaker 10: Irwin and kangaroos and all that stuff, and big insects
40:27
Speaker 10: and gators and that kind of thing, and beautiful people
40:29
Speaker 10: by the way, who are hanging out at the beach.
40:31
Speaker 1: That's what we think of.
40:32
Speaker 10: So every country, whether it is your country or mine,
40:35
Speaker 10: gets to decide.
40:37
Speaker 1: Who can be in their country.
40:39
Speaker 10: Now you hope it is not done based on race particularly,
40:43
Speaker 10: but that often can be a marker within a series
40:47
Speaker 10: of things that allow people to decide what their nation's
40:50
Speaker 10: going to be like.
40:51
Speaker 1: Look, let's put it this way.
40:52
Speaker 10: Western Europe, I would say England and France and Spain
40:55
Speaker 10: and many of these other countries. Holland, for sure, they
40:59
Speaker 10: wish that they had tightened their borders ten years ago.
41:01
Speaker 10: They really regret what they did they decided to let
41:04
Speaker 10: in people who seemingly are not there to embrace the
41:07
Speaker 10: culture they've been entered into, but to dominate that culture.
41:11
Speaker 10: You're seeing a version of it in Australia. We have
41:13
Speaker 10: a much better defense of it here in America, I think,
41:16
Speaker 10: particularly since Trump, but we got very close to that
41:19
Speaker 10: precipice with Kamalaware could have gone the other way. And look,
41:22
Speaker 10: I just spent time in Hungary. It's a tiny little
41:25
Speaker 10: country of ten million people that closed its border and
41:28
Speaker 10: pays a million euros a day to the European Union
41:32
Speaker 10: just to keep its borders closed. It's completely absurd, an
41:35
Speaker 10: extortion racket. But are they doing it out of racism
41:38
Speaker 10: or is it because they care about their Hungarian culture
41:41
Speaker 10: and traditions and history.
41:42
Speaker 1: I think the answer is fairly obvious.
41:44
Speaker 2: Just finally, Dave I wrote a book on Wuhan four
41:47
Speaker 2: years ago, investigating the lab Lake theory. And I'm almost
41:51
Speaker 2: ashamed to say it now, but at the time, Tucker
41:54
Speaker 2: Carlson was a Fox News host and he launched my book.
41:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm Jewish. What is happened to the likes
42:00
Speaker 2: of Tucker and Canda Owen.
42:04
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll talk about Tucker specifically, because I think he's
42:08
Speaker 10: the head of this thing.
42:09
Speaker 1: Look, i'd know Tucker.
42:10
Speaker 10: He blurbed my book, my book that was defending classical liberalism.
42:13
Speaker 1: Don't bring this book, my first.
42:14
Speaker 10: Book, which I was supposed to be on tour, actually
42:17
Speaker 10: the only international.
42:19
Speaker 1: Place stop I was going to do.
42:20
Speaker 10: We were going to do several stops in Australia, but
42:21
Speaker 10: then COVID happened and we didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: He blurbed that book. I've been on his show when
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Speaker 1: it was on Fox a million times. He's been on
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Speaker 1: my show a million times.
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Speaker 10: He credits me as the person that showed him that
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Speaker 10: he didn't have to be on mainstream media and he
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Speaker 10: could do this online and everything else. Watching his descent
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Speaker 10: has been very sad to me. Look, I try not
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Speaker 10: to call people racists just like that, or anti Semites
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Speaker 10: just like that. Tucker seems to have a particular obsession
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Speaker 10: with the Jews. He goes out of his way in
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Speaker 10: virtually every show to talk about the Jews, to obsess
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Speaker 10: about Israel, to confuse people and obfuscate the truth about history,
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Speaker 10: about some of the things that we've discussed here, like
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Speaker 10: sovereign orders and everything else.
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Speaker 1: So look, I can't.
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Speaker 10: Speak to what is in his spirit, but I can
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Speaker 10: say he has gotten an awful lot of clicks off it,
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Speaker 10: and unfortunately, you know, we want everyone to be I think,
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Speaker 10: let's put it this way.
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Speaker 1: I think it's something like this.
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Speaker 10: When he was on Fox for better or worse, he
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Speaker 10: had certain guardrails that kept him, you know, kind of
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Speaker 10: focused or something. And I think by going into the Internet,
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Speaker 10: I think in some way those guardrails went away, and
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Speaker 10: he's now chosen to go down paths that I think
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Speaker 10: are deeply unfortunate. Not because I disagree with him, but
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Speaker 10: I think he's doing things that are deeply, deeply untrue.
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Speaker 1: And that's why people like you.
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Speaker 10: You're certainly not the first person in our space to
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Speaker 10: say that to me. A lot of people used to
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Speaker 10: respect him, myself included, now find him to be on
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Speaker 10: opposite ends of the political spectrum. And that's a damn shame,
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Speaker 10: especially from an American perspective, because there's so many good
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Speaker 10: things happening on the right and the left has gone
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Speaker 10: so bananas. We should all be working together right now. Man,
43:55
Speaker 10: What a coalition between between Donald Trump and we got
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Speaker 10: TULSEI Gabbert and Joe Rogan and Bobby Kennedy and all
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Speaker 10: of these people, like we could be building the widest
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Speaker 10: tent in American history, and instead we're dealing with some
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Speaker 10: of that stuff. So I hope people see it, see
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Speaker 10: it for what it is, and we'll embrace better ideas.
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Speaker 2: Terrific to have you on the show, Dave, and we
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Speaker 2: look forward to you being in Sydney in a few weeks.
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Speaker 10: I can't wait to see you guys and be in
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Speaker 10: your wonderful country. I truly you know, you go to
44:23
Speaker 10: some countries and you immediately you just have an affinity
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Speaker 10: for the people there and everything else, and that's how
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Speaker 10: I felt with Australia.
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Speaker 1: So I'm very excited to come back.
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Speaker 2: And if you'd like to catch Dave while he's in Australia,
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Speaker 2: you can get tickets at Dave reuben dot com forward
44:38
Speaker 2: slash Events right still to come. Well, they say sorry
44:43
Speaker 2: is the hardest word to say. And now Brittany Higgins
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Speaker 2: will have to pay a heavy financial price. I'll discuss
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Speaker 2: this next welcome back. Brittany Higgins has been ordered to
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Speaker 2: pay eighty percent of Linda Reynold's legal bill in the
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Speaker 2: wake of their blockbuster defamation ruling and joining mid Now
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Speaker 2: is Senior, a potter at The Australian Paul Garvey pol
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Speaker 2: We don't know exactly how much Reynold's legal bills total,
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Speaker 2: but do you expect they'll exceed at least a million dollars?
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Speaker 1: Almost certainly.
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Speaker 15: So what we do know is on the day of
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Speaker 15: the defamation judgment, Linda Reynolds spoke to the media and
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Speaker 15: she mentioned in those comments that she'd spent millions of
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Speaker 15: dollars on this legal fight. So if we take her
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Speaker 15: at a word, and they see in the bare minimum
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Speaker 15: there is two million dollars, then eight percent of that
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Speaker 15: gets you to a pretty chunky number, pretty fast, in
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Speaker 15: excess of one point five million. So that certainly seems
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Speaker 15: to pass muster when you talk to other people in
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Speaker 15: legal fraternity about the cost of these sort of defamation actions,
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Speaker 15: and it's certainly a substantial amount of money.
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Speaker 2: So could any of this have been avoided if Britney
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Speaker 2: Higgins had apologized?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 15: That was the other really interesting thing that came out
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Speaker 15: of the cost order that came out the other night
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Speaker 15: was some detail around a last minute settlement offer from
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Speaker 15: Britney Higgins to Linda Reynolds. We got quite a bit
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Speaker 15: of detail around that, and it included so this is
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Speaker 15: about three days before the trial was due to begin,
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Speaker 15: written offering to cover a portion of Linda Reynolds's legal costs,
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Speaker 15: but also issue this statement of mutual regrets, so short
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Speaker 15: of a proper apology as one might expect an apology
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Speaker 15: to look like. It was a very much a qualified
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Speaker 15: statement with each party expressing their belief in what they did.
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Speaker 1: At the time.
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Speaker 14: And it was really characterized by Linda reynolds lawyers as
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Speaker 14: an agree to disagree statement, and that's what the court
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Speaker 14: happened to agree with that this fell well short of
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Speaker 14: what would expect an apology to actually look like.
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Speaker 2: And that's what Linda Reynolds wanted, a retraction or apology
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Speaker 2: or was it more? I mean, I think it has
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Speaker 2: been more meaningful to her, this judgment because it has
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Speaker 2: cleared her, vindicated her.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think I think if you, if you caught
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Speaker 15: Linda Reynolds at a candid moment, I think she'd probably
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Speaker 15: prefer the outcome she got them, the outcome that would
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Speaker 15: have awarded this trial, because that the findings did exonerate
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Speaker 15: her around that that grand conspiracy notion debunk that again.
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Speaker 15: You know, she's she's won a hand damages offer an
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Speaker 15: amount as well as getting her bulk of her costs
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Speaker 15: covered here as well.
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Speaker 1: So she's gone through that pricess.
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Speaker 15: She managed to find her avenue to air all her
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Speaker 15: concerns about this matter, so I think she would be
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Speaker 15: quite happy with it.
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Speaker 14: Brittain Higgins, on the other hand.
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Speaker 15: Someone who is attending to rebuild their life in the
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Speaker 15: wake of this incident, she's now you know, if this
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Speaker 15: payment is honored, you think that the walk of anything
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Speaker 15: left over from the Commonwealth settlement will actually now disappear
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Speaker 15: in legal bills, which is a pretty sad outcome.
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Speaker 1: On a lot of fronts.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about Higgins' ability to actually pay
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Speaker 2: this amount eighty percent of Linda Reynolds's legal costs.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, so it was one thing that also came out
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Speaker 16: of this costs order was the judge mentioning that this
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Speaker 16: offer on the eve of the trial to settle the matter.
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Speaker 15: Britney Higgins as parents were going to pay one hundred
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Speaker 15: thousand dollars towards Lenda Reynolds's cost to help settle this
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Speaker 15: matter without it going to trial. So I mean that
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Speaker 15: shows I guess you could read into that that there's
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Speaker 15: not a whole lot of cash readily accessible for miss Higgins.
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Speaker 15: She received that Commonwealth settlement a few years ago that
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Speaker 15: went straight into her trust. We know that she bought
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Speaker 15: that home in France which has since been got for
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Speaker 15: sale already, so there's not a whole lot of liquids
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Speaker 15: cash getting there for missing.
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Speaker 2: Paul. Really appreciate your expertise and reporting on this. Thank you,
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Speaker 2: and thank you everyone for your company today. I'll be
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Speaker 2: back tomorrow at eight o'clock. I'll see you then. And
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Speaker 2: right now, here's Paul Murray back. Hope you're feeling well. Paul,
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Speaker 2: ready to fight on Here he is