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Ep. 1036: Foundations - Personal Ethics and the Truth About Feeling Good as a Deer Hunter · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which has brought to you by First Light. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm taking a deep dive into
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  Speaker 2: ethics and deer hunting and how we are all probably
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  Speaker 2: hypocrites on this front, but that's okay. What is right
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  Speaker 2: and what is wrong, Not lawfully, although that comes into
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  Speaker 2: play plenty in hunting, but personally, ethics and your own
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  Speaker 2: journey to establish them and then adjust them to life
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  Speaker 2: as it changes are important. They guide us and honestly
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  Speaker 2: probably contribute more to our feelings of success than shooting
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  Speaker 2: any individual deer ever does. Maybe that doesn't make sense,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm about to sort it all out. So buckle up,
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  Speaker 2: my you're loving friends, because it's time to get started.
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  Speaker 2: Humans have weird views on animals. Scratch that, we have
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  Speaker 2: weird views on any life form that isn't human. I
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  Speaker 2: thought about this recently while first fly fishing for trout
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  Speaker 2: on the Madison in Montana, and then again while tossing
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  Speaker 2: tiny spinners to brook trout in Wisconsin. We don't handle
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  Speaker 2: trout like we do bass generally, and when we do
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  Speaker 2: drop them on the bank or in the drift boat
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  Speaker 2: by accident, there's this oh shit moment where you always
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  Speaker 2: feel bad. That makes sense if we want the resource around,
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  Speaker 2: which we do, but also kind of doesn't considering our
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  Speaker 2: whole goal is to trick them into eating something with
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  Speaker 2: a hook in it, then forcing them to fight for
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  Speaker 2: their lives, and then pulling them into an environment where
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  Speaker 2: they can't breathe while we snap a couple of picks,
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  Speaker 2: and then hopefully just let them go. Given all of that,
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  Speaker 2: it's weird to feel guilty for dropping them, but we do.
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  Speaker 2: What we don't think about is what is that Brookie
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  Speaker 2: really thinking throughout all of that. Generally we think they're
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  Speaker 2: probably not thinking very much, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's true, and none of us really do. I've been
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  Speaker 2: thinking about this a lot lately, so much so that
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  Speaker 2: I've been reading about consciousness, including a book called The
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  Speaker 2: Soul of an Octopus by Si Montgomery now, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to go full Kenyan on you here with my
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  Speaker 2: own book club, but this book is an exploration of
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  Speaker 2: consciousness set against the backdrop of captive octopuses, which is
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  Speaker 2: the correct way to pluralize that I recently learned, because
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  Speaker 2: the word octopi is wrong because you can't put that
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  Speaker 2: Latin ending of i on a word that originated in Greek.
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  Speaker 2: So there's your fun fact for the day, I guess now.
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  Speaker 2: This book explores the relationship that the people who manage
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  Speaker 2: and run giant aquariums have with their eight tentacled captives,
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  Speaker 2: and is pretty bananas. Not only will an octopus show
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  Speaker 2: someone whether it likes them or not, you know, by
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  Speaker 2: either being affectionate or by blowing saltwater in his or
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  Speaker 2: her face, but they are incredibly good at problem solving.
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  Speaker 2: They can take apart objects and put them back together,
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  Speaker 2: and they can string together somewhat complex mechanical tasks if
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  Speaker 2: the reward is good enough, which usually means a live
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  Speaker 2: crab or two in a plexiglass box puzzle. They are
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  Speaker 2: also masters of escaping their tanks and have been documented
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  Speaker 2: sneaking from their tank to another to eat some fish
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  Speaker 2: and then slipping back into their own tank like nothing happen,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the only evidence perhaps a wet spot on
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  Speaker 2: the floor and a missing fish in a nearby tank.
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  Speaker 2: They seem to recognize individuals and remember them, and they
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  Speaker 2: get clearly agitated and excited, and are sometimes described very
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  Speaker 2: similarly to the way you or I might describe elaborate
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  Speaker 2: or retriever or a German short hair. They dream, and
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  Speaker 2: so do electric eels apparently, which makes me wonder many things.
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  Speaker 2: What does an electric eel dream about?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but it would be easy to just say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hunting for fish or whatever they eat, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe shocking potential predators or something like that. But I
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  Speaker 2: can also think about my own dreams and they are
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  Speaker 2: very rarely tethered that tightly to my reality. So why
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  Speaker 2: should an eels be or my dogs for that matter,
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  Speaker 2: who I assume must be chasing roosters or playing with
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  Speaker 2: their dog friends when they whimper and run in their sleep.
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  Speaker 2: But again, why would they dream only about what is
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  Speaker 2: part of their waking reality when we don't have the
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  Speaker 2: same constraints. An easy way to look at that is
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  Speaker 2: to say we are a higher consciousness, but that's a
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  Speaker 2: warm blanket we wrap ourselves in, because in many ways
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  Speaker 2: we are absolute monsters to a lot of life we
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  Speaker 2: encounter and a lot of life we don't encounter until
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  Speaker 2: it's packaged nicely in the grocery store or hand delivered
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  Speaker 2: to us on a plate at Applebee's. We don't really
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  Speaker 2: know what consciousness is, and we don't really know what's
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  Speaker 2: conscious and what isn't on any level that would allow
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  Speaker 2: us to truly understand it. There's a quote by the
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  Speaker 2: naturalist Harry Beston that goes, animals are not brethren, They
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  Speaker 2: are not underlings, but beings gifted with extensions of the
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  Speaker 2: senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices
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  Speaker 2: we shall never hear. I wonder about this with deer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, have you ever thought about what goes on
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  Speaker 2: in a deer's mind when he's laying there, bedded up
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  Speaker 2: for the midday, or maybe when he walks out into
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  Speaker 2: the field to take a long look around in late October.
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  Speaker 2: I believe wholeheartedly that deer have a range of emotions.
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  Speaker 2: You can watch them play, especially fawns, and while that
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  Speaker 2: behavior is explained away as practice for evading predators later
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  Speaker 2: in life, I don't totally buy that. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: maybe an old world way to look at it, like
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  Speaker 2: how we used to look at all of the species
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  Speaker 2: of primates that haven't gotten to the Zoom meetings in
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  Speaker 2: Starbucks stage of advance. I've watched quite a few bucks
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  Speaker 2: get visibly worked up over my calling to their own
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  Speaker 2: detriment several times. You can actually watch them get pissed
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  Speaker 2: off sometimes, And if they can get pissed off, why
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  Speaker 2: not happy? We know they get somewhat curious and if
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  Speaker 2: you don't believe that you're not spending enough time around them.
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  Speaker 2: I've killed a few doughs that I bleeded in who
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  Speaker 2: came running and who I can only imagine probably lost
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  Speaker 2: their fawns at some point. There's a connection there that
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  Speaker 2: is probably something that wouldn't make us feel super comfortable
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  Speaker 2: to fully understand, if we could fully understand it and
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  Speaker 2: then allow ourselves to acknowledge it now. In case you're
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  Speaker 2: wondering if at this point I'm setting up to tell
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  Speaker 2: you that I'm going to quit hunting and go vegan,
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  Speaker 2: well I'm not. I think if a buck walked up
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  Speaker 2: to me and started talking to me about his plans
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  Speaker 2: for life, and his hopes and his dreams. I'd probably
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  Speaker 2: shoot him anyway if the freezer was empty enough. But
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  Speaker 2: there is also the question of how we conduct ourselves
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  Speaker 2: while we're hunting, and I think about that now more
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  Speaker 2: than ever, since I'm in a stage where I'm not
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  Speaker 2: only trying to get my daughters fully hooked on hunting
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  Speaker 2: and fishing, but also just taking new people out as
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  Speaker 2: much as I can. We look at the guidelines of
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  Speaker 2: hunting through the lens of regulation, and we should. The
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  Speaker 2: laws that are put in place to govern our activities
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  Speaker 2: out there are generally designed to protect the resource and
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  Speaker 2: ensure that the fish and game we pursue have the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to get away. Fair chase is a phrase we
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  Speaker 2: use a lot, but it means different things to different people,
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  Speaker 2: and it's always evolving as a concept. It stand alone,
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  Speaker 2: but put into real world, fair chase isn't what it
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  Speaker 2: once was, and won't be what it is now in
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  Speaker 2: five or ten years. If you don't believe that, consider
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  Speaker 2: any of the big technological leaps we've made in deer hunting,
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  Speaker 2: going from re curves to the first compound bows set
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  Speaker 2: in motion, a change that has undoubtedly made bow hunting
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  Speaker 2: whitetails a hell of a lot easier, the advantage of
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  Speaker 2: a compound o where a trad bow is undeniable, And
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  Speaker 2: you can look at that a couple of different ways.
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  Speaker 2: It's more sporting to hunt with a recurve or a
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  Speaker 2: long bow because it's a hell of a lot more difficult,
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  Speaker 2: But it's also easier to make a bad shot with
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  Speaker 2: a recurve, although I say that with the caveat that
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  Speaker 2: who is in control of whatever weapon is really in
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  Speaker 2: charge of how well it shoots, And with archery, practice
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make perfect, but more of it gets you closer
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  Speaker 2: than less of it does, So in one way, it
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  Speaker 2: could be viewed as more ethical to hunt with a
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  Speaker 2: tread bow, or it could be viewed as less ethical.
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  Speaker 2: Another example of this is something I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 2: a lot lately, which is tarpin fishing. You guys know,
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  Speaker 2: Mark is ate up with the idea of tarpin and
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  Speaker 2: him and Giannis just went down there to fly fish
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  Speaker 2: for them in Florida. That's pretty cool and I'm very jealous.
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  Speaker 2: But I also think about fly fishing for a fish
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  Speaker 2: like a tarpin, and the fact that if you do that,
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  Speaker 2: you are admitting you are going to fight that fish
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  Speaker 2: for a long long time, which undoubtedly leaves to higher mortality.
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  Speaker 2: Is it more sporting to fish with traditional tackle and
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  Speaker 2: land them quicker? Maybe not sporting, but maybe more ethical.
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  Speaker 2: But then again, it's a hell of a lot harder
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  Speaker 2: to land them with fly tackle. So who's right? Take
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  Speaker 2: another example here baiting deer. I've shot deer over bait
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  Speaker 2: in a few states and I can safely say it's
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  Speaker 2: just really not for me. I don't like that it
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  Speaker 2: takes the mystery out of the hunt, but I also
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  Speaker 2: understand completely why it's so ingrained in our culture. It
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  Speaker 2: does generally provide high odd shots, so in that way
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  Speaker 2: it might be considered more ethical than hunting without bait,
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  Speaker 2: But on the fair chase front, that argument falls short.
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  Speaker 3: You see where I'm going with this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There are laws and regulations and then there are own
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  Speaker 2: personal ethics, and honestly, I meet a lot of hunters
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  Speaker 2: who don't seem to think much about either, which is
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  Speaker 2: disheart Maybe this is just a bad batch thing because
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  Speaker 2: a sample size or something else, but a lot of
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  Speaker 2: hunters I meet will pretty quickly tell me about breaking
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  Speaker 2: laws somehow during their hunting and fishing endeavors. The folks
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  Speaker 2: who don't do that still have to answer to themselves
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  Speaker 2: for their own choices. And how we figure out what
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  Speaker 2: is ethical to us personally is by making dumb choices
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  Speaker 2: that are often fueled by greed or ego. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many shots I've taken at animals that I
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  Speaker 2: knew I shouldn't have, especially when I was young and
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  Speaker 2: a dead critter meant a lot to me. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what percentage of hunters can relate to this, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's pretty high. At some point, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to take a shot at a poor angle or farther
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  Speaker 2: than you should, or at a moving deer or something,
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  Speaker 2: and it'll all go south, and the instant that it does,
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  Speaker 2: you generally don't feel great about it. That's like building
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  Speaker 2: a foundation for better ethics in the future. Or maybe
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: you go deep into the cell camera game, which a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people still feel is too far, and in
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  Speaker 2: some situation I'm one of them. Oh, you wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: able to make a strong case that I'm anti cell cameras,
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  Speaker 2: but think about running twenty of them on a property
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  Speaker 2: instead of just a couple. There is a saturation point
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  Speaker 2: where you could pin down deer movement to a high degree,
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  Speaker 2: and the deer that walks by those, as conscious as
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  Speaker 2: they might be, can't possibly understand that the little camo
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  Speaker 2: boxes we strap to trees are actually sending us information
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  Speaker 2: about their whereabouts twenty four hours a day for months
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  Speaker 2: on end. Some folks would have no problem killing a
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  Speaker 2: buck every year that they patterned with twenty cameras, but
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  Speaker 2: other folks would. The folks that would would learn pretty
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  Speaker 2: quickly that that style of hunting isn't for them. It
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't feel fair to them, And that's just kind of
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  Speaker 2: what ethics are. When we deviate from what we feel
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  Speaker 2: is right for ourselves. We generally don't love the hunt
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  Speaker 2: as much. I try to downplay this or weasel word
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  Speaker 2: it as much as possible, but one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't make me feel great about being a deer
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  Speaker 2: hunter is when I shoot one that I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Was just too easy.
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  Speaker 2: Now, look, this is highly subjective, so don't think I'm
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  Speaker 2: shitting on someone else's choices here. But if I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I have a property really figured out, or some
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  Speaker 2: situation where the kill is going to happen, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: I tend to lose interest real fast. The hunt is
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  Speaker 2: just sort of gone for me then, and I really
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  Speaker 2: like the hunt. It's one of the reasons I'm always
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  Speaker 2: scouting new ground. I feel like that is how I
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  Speaker 2: challenge myself to give the deer a real chance. And
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  Speaker 2: if I do get it right and kill one on
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  Speaker 2: new ground or ground that I've been trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out for a few seasons, I generally just feel really
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  Speaker 2: good about myself as a hunter. It's what I need
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  Speaker 2: to get out of it to feel like I've done
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  Speaker 2: it right by my own standards. I guess now I'm
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  Speaker 2: lucky to have a job in a life situation that
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  Speaker 2: allowed me to figure that out for myself because it
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  Speaker 2: matters to me a lot. It shapes my decisions, It
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  Speaker 2: keeps me scouting and allows me to be excited about
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  Speaker 2: waking up super early to get into the woods and
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  Speaker 2: see what I can make happen. When I deviate from
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  Speaker 2: that path, which I do quite a bit, I don't
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  Speaker 2: genuinely feel as good about myself as a hunter.
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  Speaker 3: But what does that mean to you? Well, maybe you're
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  Speaker 3: chasing them.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly like you should to feel really good about yourself,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe you're not.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're not.
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  Speaker 2: You can figure out why, but it really comes with
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  Speaker 2: tough decisions that need to be made. For example, let's
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  Speaker 2: say you get your hands on some land and you
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  Speaker 2: put in that food plot and it grows real nice,
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  Speaker 2: and you have your pictures of your hit list buck
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  Speaker 2: and then you go in and you kill him, and
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  Speaker 2: you feel great because you should. But what if you
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  Speaker 2: do that for five seasons in a row or ten
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  Speaker 2: seasons in a row, and you realize you just don't
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  Speaker 2: care to put in any extra effort because you know
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  Speaker 2: you don't need to know, and you don't feel as
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  Speaker 2: excited for the season as you once did because you
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  Speaker 2: know it's just a matter of waiting until the buck
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  Speaker 2: you want starts daylighting and then you can go in
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  Speaker 2: and kill him. Have your ethics changed. Maybe what's happened
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  Speaker 2: is that you're not super thrilled partially because you figured
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  Speaker 2: out how to kill them without having to really hunt
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  Speaker 2: for them anymore. Maybe that's the wrong way to put it,
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  Speaker 2: but there's something missing. This is one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: people often get a renewed interest in hunting When they
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  Speaker 2: travel to a state or a location that is new
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  Speaker 2: to them. They realize what hunting can require of them,
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  Speaker 2: and it actually feels good to put in the work
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  Speaker 2: and try to unravel a new mystery. Maybe it's a
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  Speaker 2: matter of picking up a crossbow and realizing that's not
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  Speaker 2: your jam, because they're a hell of a lot easier
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  Speaker 2: to shoot accurately than a compound and worlds apart from
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  Speaker 2: a tread boat. A lot of times the things that
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  Speaker 2: make it easier for us to fill tags end up
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  Speaker 2: also being the things that suck a little joy from
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  Speaker 2: the experience and diminish the feeling of accomplishment to some extent. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care where you stand on any of these issues,
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  Speaker 2: but instead care more about people trying to figure out.
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  Speaker 3: Where they stand on them.
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  Speaker 2: The hunter who is trying to hunt in a way
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  Speaker 2: that feels good ethically to him is generally pretty much
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  Speaker 2: welcome in my camp. But this is also something we
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  Speaker 2: owe the deer. I believe some people frame that up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, as a respect thing to the deer,
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  Speaker 2: But that's the wrong way to look at it, since
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  Speaker 2: the goal is to kill them, which I feel is
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  Speaker 2: pretty disrespectful. It's more about acknowledging that this is an
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  Speaker 2: animal with a life it really wants to live, that
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  Speaker 2: at least deserves some effort on our parts to try
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  Speaker 2: to kill them in a way where they not only
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  Speaker 2: have a real chance of getting away, but also a
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  Speaker 2: real chance of not taking an arrow or a bullet
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  Speaker 2: into the guts or the leg or whatever. We don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do this, and we can still stay on
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  Speaker 2: the right side of the law, but we should do
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  Speaker 2: this because for some reason it's just the right thing
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  Speaker 2: to do. It's kind of like the thing about not
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  Speaker 2: putting your shopping cart back when you walk out a
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  Speaker 2: target load up your groceries into your truck. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to put it back. No one's going to arrest
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  Speaker 2: you if you don't. But if you just leave it
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  Speaker 2: there and you drive off, I hope you trip and
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  Speaker 2: fall while carrying your groceries into your house. And when
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  Speaker 2: you're laying on the ground, I hope a spider bites
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  Speaker 2: you in your eyeball. Maybe that's too harsh, Maybe I've
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  Speaker 2: lost the plot. So I'll just wrap this up by
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  Speaker 2: saying we all have our own standards by which we
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  Speaker 2: live and hunt by, And on that latter front, it's
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  Speaker 2: a good thing to at least think about what kind
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  Speaker 2: of hunting makes you feel good about yourself, not just
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  Speaker 2: makes it easier for you to kill. What have you
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  Speaker 2: done out there that made you feel, you know, not
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  Speaker 2: so good about yourself? And how can you avoid making
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  Speaker 2: those decisions and those feelings in the future. All of
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  Speaker 2: the answers to those questions will be different ten years
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  Speaker 2: from now, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth exploring today.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going to hurt anything, and in many ways
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  Speaker 2: might help you make better decisions in the field and
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  Speaker 2: help you have a more fulfilling season, which should be
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  Speaker 2: a higher priority goal than simply focusing on inches of
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  Speaker 2: antler or some other metric. So think about that and
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  Speaker 2: think about coming back next week as I talk more
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  Speaker 2: about deer and hunting and well deer hunting. That's it
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  Speaker 2: for this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the
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  Speaker 2: Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast. I am here to tell
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  Speaker 2: you we have a lot of great podcasts on our network.
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