Latest / DISGRACELAND / Bonus Episode: Brit Pop and the Attempted Kidnapping of Two British Musical Icons
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Hey discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
- 0:05Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too.
- 0:08Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome
- 0:12Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
- 0:31Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
- 0:33Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
- 0:35Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full
- 0:37Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig
- 0:40Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
- 0:43Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
- 0:46Speaker 1: we jump off of Pete Daherty and jump back into
- 0:49Speaker 1: the britpop glory years. Get your thoughts on all things
- 0:52Speaker 1: music and true crime. Preview next week's very special episode,
- 0:56Speaker 1: and in the exclusive section, we dive into two new
- 0:59Speaker 1: brit specific music in true crime stories, one involving the
- 1:04Speaker 1: attempted kidnappings. I'm not just one, but two iconic British
- 1:07Speaker 1: musicians by You're never going to believe this, a bunch
- 1:10Speaker 1: of other gangster British musicians. Plus we get into your emails, comments, dms,
- 1:15Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of rosie. This is
- 1:17Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
- 1:21Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
- 1:24Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories
- 1:27Speaker 1: they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling
- 1:29Speaker 1: someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. You
- 1:43Speaker 1: know something we've never really discussed here in Disgraceland is britpop. Now.
- 1:49Speaker 1: I know, the Libertines, the subject of this week's full episode,
- 1:53Speaker 1: isn't technically britpop. They're really just an indie rock band
- 1:57Speaker 1: with UK influence from the UK of from London, and
- 2:01Speaker 1: they're part of a generation of British indie bands that
- 2:05Speaker 1: became known after Britpop. Britpop to me is decidedly a
- 2:09Speaker 1: nineties thing. Oasis, Blur, Pulp, the nineties are the era
- 2:15Speaker 1: of British bands. Okay, that to me is britpop. The Libertines,
- 2:19Speaker 1: Block Party, the Cribs. That's a different generation British sure,
- 2:23Speaker 1: but not necessarily britpop. So we covered Oasis here in
- 2:27Speaker 1: disgraysand obviously britpop, and we have Blur and Elastica on
- 2:32Speaker 1: our list for this year for episodes that we're going
- 2:35Speaker 1: to produce. But we've barely spoken about the groups from
- 2:39Speaker 1: that nineties britpop era that inspired bands like the Libertines
- 2:45Speaker 1: and the Cribs and Block Party, you know again, britpop
- 2:49Speaker 1: band Supergrass, Swede, Radiohead, And we've barely spoken about the
- 2:54Speaker 1: group of British bands that came to inspire these britpop bands.
- 2:58Speaker 1: I'm talking about the post punk era of British groups
- 3:02Speaker 1: that inspired Oasis and Blur and Pulp and all that.
- 3:05Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Cure Smiths susing the Banshees, and
- 3:09Speaker 1: we've spent a ton of time talking about the first
- 3:12Speaker 1: generation of British punk sex pistols Clash Generation X, which
- 3:17Speaker 1: just did an episode on The Pretender's Chrissy Hind which
- 3:20Speaker 1: is set largely in that world in London in the
- 3:22Speaker 1: late seventies. So here's what I want to do, thanks
- 3:27Speaker 1: to the Libertines, thanks to Pete Daugherty, I want to
- 3:29Speaker 1: talk about the britpop movement here with the Libertines obviously
- 3:34Speaker 1: as a jumping off point, and I want to use
- 3:36Speaker 1: it as an entry point, ideally into some more disgrace
- 3:40Speaker 1: sand episodes we can cover going forward from this era. Now,
- 3:45Speaker 1: I can't recall if in the Oasis episode, if I
- 3:48Speaker 1: mentioned whether I'm Oasis or a team Oasis or team Blur.
- 3:52Speaker 1: Not that you have to be either, but you know
- 3:53Speaker 1: you kind of like one more than the other, you
- 3:55Speaker 1: don't like them both the same, or you're not really
- 3:58Speaker 1: paying attention. I can't remember if I got into that
- 4:01Speaker 1: in those Oasis episodes, but I am an Oasis guy,
- 4:06Speaker 1: which is a very unpopular opinion in my house. My
- 4:09Speaker 1: wife and my oldest son are decidedly Blur first, and
- 4:13Speaker 1: my youngest son is basically just agreeing with them to
- 4:15Speaker 1: piss me off. So I'm in the minority, but I'm
- 4:19Speaker 1: gonna win him over. Let's look, though, not just at
- 4:23Speaker 1: Oasis and Blur, but at that whole nineties generation of
- 4:29Speaker 1: peak British pop music, the era that directly influenced Pete
- 4:36Speaker 1: Doherty in the Libertines, and let's steep ourselves a little
- 4:40Speaker 1: bit more in London music history, more recent of course,
- 4:44Speaker 1: and hopefully some lore. All Right, So I went dig
- 4:48Speaker 1: in this morning as I was thinking about what I
- 4:49Speaker 1: was going to say to you guys today, and surprisingly
- 4:52Speaker 1: Rolling Stone magazine does not have a list of top
- 4:55Speaker 1: pop groups or albums. But side note rolling Stone, if
- 4:59Speaker 1: you want one, you know you can call me up.
- 5:02Speaker 1: You know, I was kind of surprised by that Rolling
- 5:06Speaker 1: Stones all about the list. I don't know why they
- 5:08Speaker 1: don't have one. Pitchfork, on the other hand, has a
- 5:10Speaker 1: fifty best Britpop album's list, and right out of the gate,
- 5:14Speaker 1: I'm angry before even looking at the list, because I
- 5:16Speaker 1: know the Pitchfork isn't going to have Oasis is definitely
- 5:20Speaker 1: maybe at number one, which they absolutely should because really,
- 5:22Speaker 1: to me, that nineteen ninety four album is Britpop's big Bang. Instead,
- 5:28Speaker 1: Pitchfork is going to have something obscure like Richard Holly's
- 5:31Speaker 1: cousin's third grade teacher's best friend's demo that he cut
- 5:33Speaker 1: in the basement of the local pub as their number
- 5:36Speaker 1: one album of top fifty Britpop albums. That imaginary album
- 5:41Speaker 1: is called Chandler and the Ghosts by the imaginary band
- 5:44Speaker 1: causely but I digress, and despite my anger, or perhaps
- 5:48Speaker 1: because of it, I'm gonna trudge on here, like Liam Gallagher,
- 5:51Speaker 1: into a violent melee of warring soccer hooligans and cops,
- 5:54Speaker 1: which is to say, I'm going to dive headfirst into
- 5:57Speaker 1: this list. Okay, so this is just kind of recent.
- 6:01Speaker 1: It's from twenty seventeen and right out of the gate.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Despite my reservations, I have hope here, okay, because the list,
- 6:08Speaker 1: as I look at it, it starts with a Jarvis
- 6:11Speaker 1: Cocker quote and it goes on to interview Danny Boyle. Okay,
- 6:14Speaker 1: trainspotting Danny Boyle. Pitchfork defines Britpop similarly to the way
- 6:19Speaker 1: I do, but they put more meat on the bone.
- 6:21Speaker 1: They say that britpop is quote the musical scene active
- 6:25Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom in the mid nineties. Particularly, we
- 6:28Speaker 1: are looking at the guitar based musicians who shared focus
- 6:32Speaker 1: on anthemic melodies, social observations of British culture, and daily
- 6:36Speaker 1: life in their country's musical heritage. That sounds about right
- 6:40Speaker 1: to me. That nails the definition of britpop. So let's
- 6:44Speaker 1: dive in. I'm not doing all fifty here, by the way,
- 6:47Speaker 1: I'm just doing the top ten, number ten, the verve
- 6:51Speaker 1: urban hymns. This feels both too low and too high
- 6:56Speaker 1: at the same time, So maybe this album is perfect
- 6:59Speaker 1: at number ten. I don't know, I don't know. I'm
- 7:02Speaker 1: gonna reserve judgment here number nine now see I knew it,
- 7:07Speaker 1: I knew it. Oasis Definitely Maybe at number nine, this
- 7:13Speaker 1: is an affront to uh, I don't know, the monarchy, No,
- 7:16Speaker 1: to the working class. That's what it's in front two.
- 7:19Speaker 1: This is way, way, way too low. Okay, this is
- 7:24Speaker 1: what Pitchfork has to say about Definitely Maybe hold on, i'
- 7:28Speaker 1: let men pull it up for you. It's interesting. At
- 7:31Speaker 1: number nine. Definitely maybe Oasis's full length album, their debut
- 7:35Speaker 1: full length from nineteen ninety four. Pitchfork has this to
- 7:38Speaker 1: say in the context of this list of top fifty
- 7:42Speaker 1: britpop albums. Okay, here we go Tonight, I'm a rock
- 7:45Speaker 1: and roll Star, Liam Gallagher proclaims at the start of
- 7:48Speaker 1: Oasis's debut. Taken out of context, it's easy to mistake
- 7:53Speaker 1: this course as another example of braggadoccio from britpop's brashest band,
- 7:58Speaker 1: particularly given the anti stadium hero ethos of the era.
- 8:03Speaker 1: But the verses of rock and Roll Star tell a
- 8:05Speaker 1: different story, reflecting Oasis's modest circumstances when they made Definitely
- 8:10Speaker 1: Maybe before Oasis were arrogant, they were aspirational. I disagree
- 8:14Speaker 1: with that. They were always arrogant, goes on to say
- 8:16Speaker 1: throughout the album. Noel Gallagher writes about a dead end
- 8:20Speaker 1: working class life from which there is no escape save
- 8:23Speaker 1: for fantasies of fame and fortune. In that same song,
- 8:27Speaker 1: in a cutting wine pitched at the midpoint of John
- 8:30Speaker 1: Lennon and Johnny Rotten, Liam Gallagher sings, definitely maybe's truest
- 8:33Speaker 1: line in my mind, my dreams are real. It was
- 8:36Speaker 1: up to Oasis to make them real. There's more to
- 8:40Speaker 1: it than that, but that's the part I wanted to
- 8:41Speaker 1: read to you, because I don't really disagree with anything there,
- 8:46Speaker 1: except for the claim that this was before Oasis were arrogant,
- 8:52Speaker 1: you know, insinuating that there was a time when they
- 8:53Speaker 1: weren't arrogant, which just isn't true. They always had that
- 8:57Speaker 1: cockiness and that was, honestly, that was the appeal to
- 9:02Speaker 1: me of Oasis back in the nineties. It was super
- 9:07Speaker 1: refreshing to finally after Kurt Cobain, after just this sort
- 9:14Speaker 1: of the grunge era of the nineties in America, the
- 9:18Speaker 1: time in which we were all supposed to do, and
- 9:22Speaker 1: I felt this way authentically, you know, we were all
- 9:25Speaker 1: sort of like just rejecting the idea of the rock
- 9:30Speaker 1: star for something more authentic and more artistic. It was
- 9:36Speaker 1: even though we felt that way, it was just honest
- 9:38Speaker 1: to get the opposite inn Oasis of these guys who
- 9:43Speaker 1: were clearly larger than life, absolute rock stars and just
- 9:47Speaker 1: made no bones about it. Came out of the gates
- 9:50Speaker 1: swinging exactly authentically who they were, not putting anything on.
- 9:56Speaker 1: You could just feel it. They were fucking gangsters, rock stars.
- 10:01Speaker 1: Absolutely didn't give a shit about societal norms. It was
- 10:05Speaker 1: expressed in their music. And yes, this was not the
- 10:08Speaker 1: brand of your sort of you know, like high falutant,
- 10:12Speaker 1: high society late sixties swing in London, Rolling Stones, rock Star.
- 10:17Speaker 1: This was a different breed entirely. This was totally working class, thugish.
- 10:23Speaker 1: It was great. It was great to know that these
- 10:27Speaker 1: guys were going for it and we were rooting for them.
- 10:31Speaker 1: In the hardcore scene, we were at least, I mean,
- 10:33Speaker 1: it was kind of just this thing was I don't
- 10:35Speaker 1: know what it was. I don't know why hardcore kids
- 10:37Speaker 1: liked Oasis so much, because I think them being British
- 10:40Speaker 1: gave us the freedom to root for further rockstardom because
- 10:46Speaker 1: there was some separation there. We didn't do that with
- 10:48Speaker 1: American bands, not in nineteen ninety four, certainly not with
- 10:52Speaker 1: new American bands in nineteen ninety four. Anyways, this record
- 10:56Speaker 1: to me, like I said, it's the big band of ritpop.
- 11:01Speaker 1: And I know there's there are plenty of arguments to
- 11:03Speaker 1: make against this record for other records. That's what makes
- 11:06Speaker 1: this topic so interesting. But for me, this is the one.
- 11:09Speaker 1: This is the one. It's a ringing bell, It's Bunker
- 11:13Speaker 1: Hill or Lexington or whatever it is. This is the thing.
- 11:15Speaker 1: This is when it starts for me. So number nine,
- 11:19Speaker 1: I just nine, barely in the top ten. I just
- 11:23Speaker 1: can't go there. I can't come on. But it's Pitchfork,
- 11:26Speaker 1: so what do you expect? Number eight is Blur's self
- 11:30Speaker 1: titled album Blur from nineteen ninety seven, which I don't know.
- 11:33Speaker 1: This also feels very low. This was Blur's breakthrough in
- 11:38Speaker 1: America sort of. Blur never really broke through in America
- 11:43Speaker 1: like Oasis did, despite despite the massive single from this album,
- 11:49Speaker 1: song number two, which still has cultural relevance. This record
- 11:53Speaker 1: personally is I love it. It's incredible. One of my
- 11:58Speaker 1: favorite albums from this era for sure. It's definitely my
- 12:01Speaker 1: favorite Blur album. I like it more than park Life,
- 12:04Speaker 1: which is saying something is Park life is fantastic. And again,
- 12:07Speaker 1: this is the band that broke the band broke Blur
- 12:09Speaker 1: in America, and America is still listening to it. Like
- 12:11Speaker 1: I said, pretty much every day, turn on most any
- 12:13Speaker 1: sporting event broadcast and wait a couple of minutes and
- 12:16Speaker 1: you're gonna hear the crowd singing song number two at
- 12:18Speaker 1: some point A woo who as they say so. Number
- 12:21Speaker 1: eight here feels low for Blur's self titled album, Number seven,
- 12:26Speaker 1: paulp This is hardcore. And you know by now, guys
- 12:29Speaker 1: that I'm not a huge Pulp fan. But I don't
- 12:31Speaker 1: dislike Pulp like your favorite New Jersey crime boss. I
- 12:35Speaker 1: like some Pulp and this record ain't it not for
- 12:38Speaker 1: me anyways, But that's mainly out of ignorance in preference.
- 12:41Speaker 1: I don't know this album that well. I always love
- 12:43Speaker 1: the album cover, but I was never compelled to really
- 12:46Speaker 1: dig into this and explore it. I suppose now is
- 12:48Speaker 1: the time to change. That I just learned today, however,
- 12:52Speaker 1: in going through this britpop history that Pulp had been
- 12:56Speaker 1: a band for seventeen years before breaking out, and I
- 13:02Speaker 1: had to look at this twice before breaking out in
- 13:04Speaker 1: the rippop era of the nineteen nineties. Pulp formed in
- 13:07Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. What that's incredible, that's shocking. I think
- 13:14Speaker 1: Picasso was still alive in nineteen seventy eight.
- 13:18Speaker 2: He wasn't.
- 13:18Speaker 1: I think he died a couple of years earlier. But
- 13:20Speaker 1: you get my point. Wild all right. Number six Elastica's
- 13:27Speaker 1: self titled album. Now, this placement seems right. Perhaps it
- 13:32Speaker 1: could be a little higher. Perhaps this album suffers in
- 13:34Speaker 1: its positioning because it's a female front and group and
- 13:37Speaker 1: most of the folks putting this list together are krusty
- 13:40Speaker 1: rock dude journalists. This is a great record with a
- 13:44Speaker 1: great breakout single connection and songs on it that Nod
- 13:49Speaker 1: enthusiastically to the past. Maybe too enthusiastically got him into
- 13:53Speaker 1: some trouble, and you know, this is the type of
- 13:56Speaker 1: album that also storms into the future fearlessly. In the
- 13:59Speaker 1: result of core is a sound that is undeniably or
- 14:03Speaker 1: was undeniably present at the time. I loved this record
- 14:07Speaker 1: and I can't wait to cover Justine Frishman in either
- 14:11Speaker 1: an Elastica episode of Disgraceland or in a joint Damon
- 14:15Speaker 1: Alburn Disgraceland episod. We're going to talk about that later,
- 14:17Speaker 1: Seth and I in the exclusive section of this here
- 14:20Speaker 1: Bonus episode. Number five Swayed dog Man Star. Now, I
- 14:26Speaker 1: was never a big Swede fan. Swayed for me was
- 14:29Speaker 1: where brit pop just kind of went a little too
- 14:32Speaker 1: Brit poppy. But people love this record, So what do
- 14:36Speaker 1: I know? At number four, here we go, Now we're
- 14:39Speaker 1: getting down to it. Oasis is What's the Story? Morning Glory?
- 14:44Speaker 1: I honestly don't know how to rank this album. Oasis,
- 14:49Speaker 1: who I clearly love only really has two great albums,
- 14:54Speaker 1: this and definitely maybe and definitely maybe is my favorite
- 14:56Speaker 1: among the two. But what's the story? Morning Glory is
- 14:59Speaker 1: a mom stir album. It's skyrocketed the band to international fame.
- 15:05Speaker 1: It made Oasis the biggest band to come out of
- 15:07Speaker 1: Britain at the time. So I kind of don't know
- 15:10Speaker 1: how it's just not number one on this list. But
- 15:14Speaker 1: then again, I do know because it's not even my
- 15:17Speaker 1: favorite Oasis album either way, for just feels too low.
- 15:22Speaker 1: Number three Radioheads The Bends, mixed by my mentor and
- 15:28Speaker 1: American Paul Q. COLDERI and Paul's production partner at the time,
- 15:33Speaker 1: Sean Slaid. This feels right. Number three. Radiohead busted into
- 15:39Speaker 1: the mainstream during the grunge era with Pablo Honey and
- 15:41Speaker 1: their single Creep, which I believe is nineteen ninety two.
- 15:45Speaker 1: But this follow up in the middle of the britpop
- 15:48Speaker 1: era nineteen ninety five is incredible. The only thing, though,
- 15:53Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know if people will
- 15:55Speaker 1: be able to relate to this, this album like it's
- 15:59Speaker 1: fall Up, okay, computer, they don't really feel britpoppy. Radiohead
- 16:05Speaker 1: feels like its own thing. This record feels like its
- 16:07Speaker 1: own thing, you know. It feels like Radiohead and Radiohead alone,
- 16:12Speaker 1: like the beginnings of a new genre almost, But that's
- 16:16Speaker 1: just me. I don't know what that says about its
- 16:18Speaker 1: placement on the list here at number three. Perhaps it
- 16:21Speaker 1: should be even higher, Perhaps it should have its own list.
- 16:24Speaker 1: I don't know. Number two, okay, Before I get to
- 16:27Speaker 1: number two. There are only two more albums that can
- 16:31Speaker 1: possibly be at number two and number one on this list, right,
- 16:36Speaker 1: and I should Coco Buy Supergrass and Grand Prix by
- 16:39Speaker 1: Teenage Fan Club? Are those two albums? Right? They have
- 16:44Speaker 1: to be They haven't been mentioned yet, but no they're not,
- 16:50Speaker 1: and my dog's pissed about it. You hear that Dusty
- 16:53Speaker 1: is upset. Dusty is upset. She's a huge supergrass fan.
- 16:58Speaker 1: Why wouldn't she be damn it. Both these incredible britpop
- 17:03Speaker 1: albums were left out of the top ten by the
- 17:05Speaker 1: supposed big brains at Pitchfork. Unbelievable. Number two is park
- 17:11Speaker 1: Life by blur which is the appropriate ranking? I think?
- 17:16Speaker 1: I don't know. I know, I'm contradicting myself because I
- 17:18Speaker 1: already said that I like their self titled album better
- 17:20Speaker 1: than park Life, which you know, Blurheads I'm sure would hate.
- 17:25Speaker 1: But this record just I feel like it meant more
- 17:28Speaker 1: to the britpop movement and it should be behind Oasis,
- 17:32Speaker 1: as we've already discussed. Incredible as park Life is, but
- 17:38Speaker 1: the two great Oasis records, they've already been talked about
- 17:41Speaker 1: here on this list. You know, actually, if I start
- 17:43Speaker 1: to think about it for five seconds longer, I can
- 17:45Speaker 1: probably make the case that park Life should be number
- 17:46Speaker 1: one on this list. If I'm being honest, It's as
- 17:50Speaker 1: genre defining as either of the great Oasis albums. I'm
- 17:54Speaker 1: just letting my Oasis bias sway me that or my wife.
- 17:59Speaker 1: But again, park Life here at number two, so what
- 18:02Speaker 1: is number one? Number one? Number one? Britpop heads have
- 18:05Speaker 1: already figured this out. Number one on this list. I
- 18:10Speaker 1: don't know. This kind of feels like, look at me, journalism,
- 18:14Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like some hipper than you,
- 18:18Speaker 1: because I'm naming this record type of bullshit, which is
- 18:21Speaker 1: just obviously so Pitchfork. Number one on Pitchfork's list of
- 18:24Speaker 1: top fifty Britpop albums is Pulp's Different Class, which, Deborah,
- 18:31Speaker 1: come on, we love this album, but placing it above
- 18:34Speaker 1: Blur or Oasis just feels like, like I said Pitchfork,
- 18:38Speaker 1: like trying. They're trying just a little too hard, trying
- 18:40Speaker 1: to appeal to the so called cool kids hanging out
- 18:43Speaker 1: at MisShapes in the mid odds in New York, or
- 18:46Speaker 1: Boston's The Pill during that same era, or Great Scott.
- 18:49Speaker 1: I cannot get with Pulp's Different Class at number one.
- 18:52Speaker 1: Maybe that says something about me. Maybe it says that
- 18:55Speaker 1: I'm not as big of a britpop fan. You know,
- 18:57Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a huge britpop fan. For me,
- 18:59Speaker 1: totally on us, I like some britpop I get to stop.
- 19:04Speaker 1: It's true though, and there is kind of a gaping
- 19:07Speaker 1: hole in my knowledge of the history, which is why
- 19:10Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into some britpop focused episodes going
- 19:16Speaker 1: forward here with Disgray sand I just can't get with
- 19:19Speaker 1: the fact that Supergrass and Teenage Fan Club with I
- 19:22Speaker 1: Should Cocoa and Grand Prix are not cracking the top
- 19:26Speaker 1: ten list here. All right, These are capital G great
- 19:30Speaker 1: records from start to finish, and not having in the
- 19:33Speaker 1: top ten just doesn't make any sense to me. Pitchfork
- 19:36Speaker 1: does have I Should Coco at number twelve and Grand
- 19:41Speaker 1: Prix way down at number thirty six. I'm sure Bandwagon
- 19:45Speaker 1: ESK is higher than Grand Prix. I didn't look. But
- 19:48Speaker 1: also not having Primal Scream on this list kind of
- 19:51Speaker 1: feels intentionally hurtful. Stone Roses I get. I get why
- 19:55Speaker 1: they're not in the top ten or even on the
- 19:58Speaker 1: list at all. They sort of I've preceded the whole
- 20:01Speaker 1: britpop thing, and to an extent, so did Primal Screen,
- 20:05Speaker 1: but not really some not too butt hurt about these
- 20:09Speaker 1: two omissions anyway. If you are a Libertines fan or
- 20:13Speaker 1: a fan of any of the early to mid two
- 20:15Speaker 1: thousands British indie rock, Maximal Park, Razorlight, these bands that
- 20:18Speaker 1: we're discussing right here. From this list, they're going to
- 20:20Speaker 1: give you some idea of what Pete Tardi and Carl
- 20:23Speaker 1: Barra and others from the two thousands indie sleis era
- 20:28Speaker 1: were weaned on. So there you go. Now, Jake, you
- 20:32Speaker 1: might be asking me, maybe screaming at your car speaker
- 20:37Speaker 1: or whatever right now, going what brip pop bands are
- 20:40Speaker 1: you going to cover?
- 20:41Speaker 2: Dude?
- 20:42Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I think there's a blur. I
- 20:45Speaker 1: think there's blur and elastic episodes, perhaps a Damon and
- 20:49Speaker 1: just seeing joint episode. Maybe we write a really transgressive
- 20:54Speaker 1: kind of junkie love story from the nineties set in
- 20:58Speaker 1: the UK, explore all the drug the heroin, the crime
- 21:03Speaker 1: and grime, and the tabloid era that their relationship took
- 21:06Speaker 1: place in. That sounds interesting to me. I'm obsessed with
- 21:11Speaker 1: the rhymer of his love story at the moment. I
- 21:15Speaker 1: JFK Junior and Carolyn Bassett and maybe Damon and Justine
- 21:18Speaker 1: is our answer to that here in Disgrace Land. I
- 21:21Speaker 1: like this idea. It's nineties, it's the same era, but
- 21:24Speaker 1: it's a totally different scene, a totally different place obviously,
- 21:27Speaker 1: and it also has a completely kind of different type
- 21:30Speaker 1: of glamor, yet it's still glamorous. It's got similar tabloid madness.
- 21:35Speaker 1: It's just the UK rippop version. I'm loving this idea
- 21:38Speaker 1: as I'm talking about it to you right now. From
- 21:40Speaker 1: a crime angle, we've got heroin use, Damon's arrests, Elastica's
- 21:45Speaker 1: legal settlement with wire, all kinds of stuff we can
- 21:48Speaker 1: get into. There's also what I've learned here over the
- 21:52Speaker 1: years from you guys. I wish I could remember your
- 21:56Speaker 1: names who had written me on this subject, but quite
- 21:58Speaker 1: a few of you, more than a handful, have written
- 22:01Speaker 1: about another British band that we should cover that we
- 22:03Speaker 1: have not mentioned at all yet, and that is the
- 22:07Speaker 1: Happy Mondays, a group with an insane true crime backstory
- 22:14Speaker 1: including kidnapping, multiple kidnappings, assault. One of the kidnappings actually
- 22:20Speaker 1: both involve musical icons. I can't even can't believe these stories.
- 22:29Speaker 1: Heroin of course, not just using heroin, but large scale
- 22:33Speaker 1: drug smuggling and of course all manner of rock and
- 22:38Speaker 1: roll hedonism and debauchery. The Happy Mondays pre date britpop.
- 22:42Speaker 1: They go back to the wild sort of Manchester club
- 22:45Speaker 1: scene that was the decade before. But nonetheless This is
- 22:49Speaker 1: an insane story and one that needs further exploration and
- 22:54Speaker 1: most definitely its own Disgraceland episode on the Happy Mondays.
- 22:58Speaker 1: I want to talk more about the true crime story
- 23:01Speaker 1: of the Happy Mondays as well as the junkie love
- 23:04Speaker 1: story of Damon from Blur and Justine from Elastica with
- 23:07Speaker 1: Ze and figure out how these episodes will take shape.
- 23:09Speaker 1: We're gonna do that in the exclusive section of this
- 23:11Speaker 1: after party, where we'll reveal which rockstar rock stars the
- 23:16Speaker 1: Happy Mondays attempted to kidnap. Go to disgracelandpod dot com
- 23:20Speaker 1: to become an all access member and unlock this and
- 23:23Speaker 1: more exclusive and ad free content. Often oftentimes, guys, if
- 23:27Speaker 1: you knew here, we use the exclusive portion of this
- 23:33Speaker 1: bonus episode, Zeth and I as sort of a creative session,
- 23:36Speaker 1: a behind the scenes look at how we figure out
- 23:39Speaker 1: what episodes we're going to cover and whether or not
- 23:41Speaker 1: there's enough crime and transgression there to warrant a Disgraceland episodes.
- 23:47Speaker 1: Kind of our think tank, our laboratory, so to speak,
- 23:50Speaker 1: and that's what that's what we got going on today again.
- 23:52Speaker 1: Go to disgrace landpod dot com to sign up to
- 23:54Speaker 1: become an All Access member and you'll get exclusive content
- 23:58Speaker 1: like this and add free content every month. All right,
- 24:01Speaker 1: before we dive into all that, let's do a little
- 24:03Speaker 1: table setting here. As we mentioned, this week's Pete Doherty
- 24:07Speaker 1: from the Libertines episode is available for you to check
- 24:10Speaker 1: out and look. This story and the death of Mark Blanco,
- 24:16Speaker 1: who is hanging out with Pete Dodhugherty that night, is
- 24:19Speaker 1: one of the most underreported stories in music history. And
- 24:29Speaker 1: we did our part here. Look, we're not journalists. We're
- 24:31Speaker 1: not pretending to be journalists. We are storytellers, open source
- 24:36Speaker 1: storytellers who use information that's already been published. We don't
- 24:41Speaker 1: go out and dig up new stories. We source everything.
- 24:45Speaker 1: We're careful about it. We make sure that we're giving
- 24:47Speaker 1: you guys what really happened. But this story in particular
- 24:51Speaker 1: really requires some real journalism. And you know, I'm coming
- 24:56Speaker 1: across this is the second time in like this week
- 25:03Speaker 1: actually that I've come across this where we're telling these stories.
- 25:06Speaker 1: It's almost like so many of the stories we tell
- 25:08Speaker 1: this Gray Sand are from like the nineteen sixties and
- 25:10Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, and a lot of time has passed.
- 25:12Speaker 1: This story is from two thousand and six, not that
- 25:14Speaker 1: much time has passed, and I don't believe that the
- 25:17Speaker 1: facts are all out there or the truth is out there,
- 25:19Speaker 1: but I wanted to dip in and find our way
- 25:22Speaker 1: through this story. And you know, if I'm being totally frank,
- 25:26Speaker 1: we come up like with more questions than answers at
- 25:30Speaker 1: the end. And it's super frustrating because you know, I
- 25:32Speaker 1: get a business to run, I got a podcasts to
- 25:34Speaker 1: make every week. I can't just like we have a
- 25:36Speaker 1: way of doing it. I can't just like pack up
- 25:38Speaker 1: and fly to London and start asking people questions. Not
- 25:41Speaker 1: that anyone would even talk to me if I did
- 25:43Speaker 1: that anyhow, That's not what I do. So it's kind
- 25:46Speaker 1: of frustrating, and I don't understand why actual music journalists.
- 25:51Speaker 1: And again I've never called myself a journalist. Some people have.
- 25:54Speaker 1: I never have not from the beginning. Like a definition
- 25:58Speaker 1: of a journalist to me is not somebody who does
- 26:00Speaker 1: what I do. It definitely of a journalist to me
- 26:02Speaker 1: as somebody who goes out and actually digs up and
- 26:04Speaker 1: finds information for the first time, you know, like finds
- 26:10Speaker 1: information that has not yet been public. Everything we talk
- 26:13Speaker 1: about is public information. Oftentimes made public by the artists
- 26:20Speaker 1: themselves that we are covering in their autobiographies, and it
- 26:23Speaker 1: gets buried throughout time. So it becomes very interesting when
- 26:26Speaker 1: we get to it because a lot of this stuff
- 26:28Speaker 1: has sort of been shoved under the covers, because it
- 26:31Speaker 1: goes back, like I said, to the sixties, to seventies,
- 26:33Speaker 1: the eighties, the nineties here though again two thousand and
- 26:37Speaker 1: six not that long ago when you think about it.
- 26:40Speaker 1: I mean, two decades sounds like a long time, but
- 26:42Speaker 1: culturally not really. And this story still it's hard to
- 26:51Speaker 1: accept the story of how Mark Blanco died. I'm not
- 26:55Speaker 1: pointing any fingers. What the official story is may very
- 27:00Speaker 1: well be the case, but we it's just one of
- 27:01Speaker 1: those things where we need more evidence that proves it
- 27:04Speaker 1: that way one way or another. And I've similarly come
- 27:09Speaker 1: across the same challenge and the story that I'm researching
- 27:12Speaker 1: right now on the Food Fighters, which I mean, look,
- 27:18Speaker 1: man Taylor Hawkins died in twenty twenty two, and we
- 27:23Speaker 1: still don't know the cause of his death. He died tragically.
- 27:28Speaker 1: I say that as a point of fact, but that
- 27:31Speaker 1: is not the explanation for how he died, which if
- 27:35Speaker 1: you read anything about the food fighters over the last
- 27:37Speaker 1: few years. That's the explanation you're going to get. They'll
- 27:42Speaker 1: talk about drugs in his system, but that's not the
- 27:46Speaker 1: official take. They won't talk about an overdose. Again, more
- 27:52Speaker 1: questions than answers. And this is only four years ago.
- 27:57Speaker 1: And look, man like, I'm not trying to pry into
- 28:01Speaker 1: anybody's life. And I get the sensitivity that this has
- 28:04Speaker 1: with Taylor Hawkins's family, and certainly I would feel like
- 28:10Speaker 1: this shit was none of anybody's business if this was
- 28:13Speaker 1: my family member. But we know how Keith Moon died,
- 28:17Speaker 1: we know how John Bonham died. It just doesn't make
- 28:22Speaker 1: any sense that we don't know how Taylor Hawkins died.
- 28:25Speaker 1: And anyway, like the Pete Doherty story here, the death
- 28:29Speaker 1: of Mark Blanco, which Pete Doherty is at the center
- 28:32Speaker 1: of the death of Taylor Hawkins is one of those
- 28:36Speaker 1: things that we still don't have an answer for. I'm
- 28:38Speaker 1: gonna go a little bit harder into this one than
- 28:40Speaker 1: we did Pete Darty, and I'm gonna try to find out.
- 28:42Speaker 1: I'm not promising you anything, nothing at all, but I
- 28:45Speaker 1: am gonna ask questions that people don't seem to really
- 28:49Speaker 1: want to ask, and I don't think there's anything wrong
- 28:52Speaker 1: with that. People in the public public eye. That's the price.
- 28:56Speaker 1: And you can be a fan of the food Fighters.
- 28:59Speaker 1: I mean to Taylor Hawkins. I mean, he just struck
- 29:02Speaker 1: me as a type of guy. I never met him,
- 29:03Speaker 1: but he struck me as a type of guy that
- 29:04Speaker 1: if you met him, you would just instantly be like,
- 29:08Speaker 1: you know, just vibe. And he's just such a spirit
- 29:12Speaker 1: and an incredible talent. And our episode is not going
- 29:16Speaker 1: to be a takedown in any way, but it is
- 29:17Speaker 1: going to ask some questions and maybe perhaps at a
- 29:21Speaker 1: later date, we'll dive back into this Pete Doherty story
- 29:25Speaker 1: as well. But we need more journalism here, and I'm
- 29:29Speaker 1: appealing to the actual music journalists out there who listened
- 29:32Speaker 1: to the show. You know, come on, let's go, let's
- 29:34Speaker 1: figure this out, all right. Anyways, I say all that
- 29:38Speaker 1: because we're in the midst of Pete Doherty week here
- 29:41Speaker 1: in this graceland. That's our latest episode this year is
- 29:44Speaker 1: the bonus episode. Episode tomorrow is our rewind episode, and
- 29:49Speaker 1: that is on Bobby Brown. Now, Lison, if you ever
- 29:51Speaker 1: wondered what having sex with a ghost was like, you
- 29:55Speaker 1: don't have to wonder anymore, because we're going to answer
- 29:57Speaker 1: that question in the Bobby Well Bobby, Bobby Brown has
- 30:00Speaker 1: answered it for us, and you can hear about it
- 30:03Speaker 1: in the Bobby Brown episode. I'm not kidding. Next week,
- 30:06Speaker 1: next week, next week, we have a very special episode
- 30:10Speaker 1: coming your way on Tuesday. Does something happening in Disgraceland
- 30:14Speaker 1: right now? Something big? I can't exactly say what it
- 30:16Speaker 1: is yet. I'm not even saying I'm gonna go all
- 30:19Speaker 1: the way there with this news and next week special episode,
- 30:22Speaker 1: but i am going to come close. So make sure
- 30:25Speaker 1: you check out our special episode coming to you on Tuesday.
- 30:29Speaker 1: That is a new app coming up right after Bobby Brown.
- 30:33Speaker 1: All right, and I'll be coming up right after this break.
- 30:35Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be back after
- 30:37Speaker 1: this with your voicemails text him. All right, guys, I'm back.
- 30:51Speaker 1: I'm in the chair. I'm talking to you all. I'm
- 30:53Speaker 1: in my happy place. I'm gonna go to Los Angeles
- 30:55Speaker 1: kind of unexpectedly, and it's a super quick trip, so
- 31:02Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I'm recording this early. My point is
- 31:05Speaker 1: in telling you this, I'm recording the after party earlier
- 31:07Speaker 1: this week. So we're not going to get a lot
- 31:09Speaker 1: of your answers and responses to the p Tord episode
- 31:12Speaker 1: here right now, but we will get to it next
- 31:15Speaker 1: week and next week's after party. But we are going
- 31:17Speaker 1: to talk to you, guys. We're gonna hear from you
- 31:19Speaker 1: as always six one seven nine oh six six six
- 31:22Speaker 1: three eight, voicemail and text. You want to hit me
- 31:24Speaker 1: up about anything, anything at all, episodes, you want to
- 31:27Speaker 1: hear artists, you want us to cover whatever it is,
- 31:30Speaker 1: get at us six one seven nine oh six six
- 31:32Speaker 1: six three eight. If you're shy you don't want to
- 31:34Speaker 1: leave a voicemail, I would encourage you to, you know,
- 31:37Speaker 1: leave a voicemail for sure. I love hearing your voices.
- 31:39Speaker 1: You can always send me a text as well. This voicemail, however,
- 31:43Speaker 1: comes from let's see here. This is the five oh.
- 31:46Speaker 2: Three, Hey Jake, this is the five o three two
- 31:50Speaker 2: fifty three am in the morning, listening to Not even
- 31:55Speaker 2: sure I listened to all of your shows anyway. We're
- 31:58Speaker 2: talking about women in rock and roll, which I'm not
- 32:03Speaker 2: sure that I've never really been two into. But you
- 32:06Speaker 2: haven't mentioned heart and I'm not a huge I prefer
- 32:12Speaker 2: Patty Smith over Heart. But what the hell, man, those guys,
- 32:16Speaker 2: those two must have sold more records than me of
- 32:18Speaker 2: these people, these others you're mentioning anyway, dude, that's it.
- 32:23Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well, man, fine, five.
- 32:25Speaker 1: O three, Thank you for the call. Yeah, you're right, man.
- 32:27Speaker 1: I don't know that I have mentioned Heart. I think
- 32:30Speaker 1: a listener might have in the last after party. I
- 32:33Speaker 1: guess I take Heart for granted, Like I was talking
- 32:35Speaker 1: the other day, we take CCR for granted because it's
- 32:38Speaker 1: kind of they've kind of they're just there. They've been
- 32:40Speaker 1: there forever, you know, on classic rock radio. But they
- 32:45Speaker 1: are incredible, incredible musicians, and yeah, they sold a shit
- 32:49Speaker 1: ton of records, and they they're definitely in the conversation.
- 32:53Speaker 1: I like Patti Smith more than HERD. I guess if
- 32:55Speaker 1: I was going to pull an album off my shelf
- 32:57Speaker 1: and I only had two choices, and those of them,
- 32:59Speaker 1: I I like, you would listen to Patty Smith as well.
- 33:01Speaker 1: But authored yeah, I don't really understand the comparison. I
- 33:05Speaker 1: guess I guess you're comparing them because I guess I
- 33:08Speaker 1: was talking a lot about Patty Smith in the last episode,
- 33:10Speaker 1: and I get that. But yeah, Heart great, great, great
- 33:14Speaker 1: great band. Well deserved Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee.
- 33:19Speaker 1: By the way, I guess we're gonna find out in
- 33:20Speaker 1: the next couple weeks who's getting in in the Hall
- 33:23Speaker 1: of Fame. I can't wait to talk to you guys
- 33:25Speaker 1: about it, but in the meantime, let's talk to the
- 33:30Speaker 1: seven two four.
- 33:31Speaker 3: Hey, Jay, this is Clint from seven two four. I'm
- 33:35Speaker 3: responding to your response to my response about the Baddest
- 33:39Speaker 3: Dass Females. I had said, John Jet, you wade in
- 33:43Speaker 3: and said you thought it was a pretty good choice
- 33:44Speaker 3: and asked me to get back that I ever seen
- 33:47Speaker 3: Light of Day Fucking a Dad. That was a great movie.
- 33:50Speaker 3: You could tavern. I live right up right on the
- 33:53Speaker 3: state line between Pennsylvania and Ohio, so I get up
- 33:56Speaker 3: that way for a long time a wive and back
- 34:00Speaker 3: in the day when that was a relatively popular cousin
- 34:03Speaker 3: Michael J. Bloxing John certainly made the pilgrimage, went up
- 34:07Speaker 3: there and check it out. There's also the Warsaw up there,
- 34:11Speaker 3: kind of same area where Joe Walsh played a lot with,
- 34:14Speaker 3: did did Drew Carrey show and shit like that kind
- 34:17Speaker 3: of fun. So yeah, thanks for getting me on. Thank
- 34:20Speaker 3: you for taking my response. Always a lot of fun.
- 34:23Speaker 3: You do a great job with your show.
- 34:25Speaker 1: Have a good day seven two four. Thanks for the call,
- 34:27Speaker 1: but thanks specifically for your your excellent placement of the
- 34:30Speaker 1: phrase fucking a Jake. I just love fucking a I
- 34:33Speaker 1: love that. I love that. You know what else? I
- 34:34Speaker 1: love I love I shit you not. I love it
- 34:36Speaker 1: when people say those those two phrases. Fucking a Clint,
- 34:39Speaker 1: Yeah you clid Tavern right right on, man, Thanks for
- 34:43Speaker 1: getting back and uh light a day. I love that
- 34:46Speaker 1: we're talking obscure Joon Jet movies from the eighties six
- 34:50Speaker 1: one seven, nine oh six, six, six three eight. You
- 34:51Speaker 1: guys want to talk to us about anything, doesn't have
- 34:53Speaker 1: to be obscure joone Jet movies from the nineteen eighties
- 34:56Speaker 1: six one nine Texan, Hey, Melissa here from the six
- 34:59Speaker 1: one nine. I'm not sure sure how we can have
- 35:00Speaker 1: a discussion about influential women in rock without mentioning and
- 35:04Speaker 1: in Nancy Wilson and as one of the most recognizable
- 35:07Speaker 1: voices of rock women, and Nancy is an outstanding guitarist.
- 35:11Speaker 1: The two of them combined in Heart makes a catalog
- 35:13Speaker 1: of some of the best rock tracks in history. Just
- 35:16Speaker 1: my two cents and your spot on those are two
- 35:20Speaker 1: cents well spent. Melissa, I agree with you one hundred percent.
- 35:24Speaker 1: I'll go even a step farther and say that Nancy
- 35:28Speaker 1: should get more recognition for her guitar playing. She's one
- 35:33Speaker 1: of the best in classic rock and not and I
- 35:38Speaker 1: don't mean like ripping off solos. I mean just as
- 35:41Speaker 1: her guitar playing sets the stage for the songwriting in heart,
- 35:46Speaker 1: it's kind of unmistakably her, which is awesome. Three h
- 35:50Speaker 1: two rites in how many messages did you get giving
- 35:52Speaker 1: you shit for omitting Susie Quatro from your most Influential
- 35:56Speaker 1: Female Rock Musicians discussion. I didn't think I omitted her.
- 35:59Speaker 1: I think we talked about her. I think she was
- 36:02Speaker 1: brought up by you guys, by the listeners first. And yeah,
- 36:06Speaker 1: we have a Susie Squatro episode coming three oh two,
- 36:09Speaker 1: so you will not be disappointed. Eric from the nine
- 36:12Speaker 1: to five four text and Hey, Eric from the nine
- 36:14Speaker 1: to five to four X Boston eighties nineties early two
- 36:19Speaker 1: thousands always enjoyed the show. The AFX Sex Pistol series
- 36:23Speaker 1: included Chrissy Hine throughout her and Susie Sue and others
- 36:27Speaker 1: blaze the trail in Europe. I think Carol King deserves
- 36:31Speaker 1: much credit for her role in the evolution of popular music. Damn,
- 36:35Speaker 1: you are absolutely right, Carol King. Her influence is hard
- 36:40Speaker 1: to measure in pop music. She's incredible, incredible, all right.
- 36:45Speaker 1: One little message here in the Rock and Roll Hall
- 36:47Speaker 1: of Fame nominee is this one because I want to
- 36:49Speaker 1: keep this conversation going with y'all. By the way, did
- 36:51Speaker 1: we talk about that in the I think we just
- 36:53Speaker 1: talked about it in the exclusive section last week. But anyways,
- 36:56Speaker 1: this one comes from Jason four one six Hey rock
- 36:59Speaker 1: Hall non and he's the one I'm really pulling for.
- 37:02Speaker 1: Is Joy Division New Order. It'll be a very blue
- 37:05Speaker 1: Monday if they don't get in highly highly influential. I
- 37:08Speaker 1: can't imagine the soundtrack of My life without at least
- 37:11Speaker 1: three Joy Division and three New Order songs on my
- 37:14Speaker 1: triple album saw them in twenty twenty two with Pet
- 37:16Speaker 1: Shop Boys and the show Blazed. I also noted that
- 37:19Speaker 1: it was not just gen xers like me and the audience,
- 37:21Speaker 1: people of all ages and many twenty and thirty somethings
- 37:24Speaker 1: rock and rolla yes, hugely influential and relevant to the
- 37:27Speaker 1: conversation we were having earlier about British bands. I don't know, man,
- 37:33Speaker 1: I have a problem with this one. Not that I
- 37:36Speaker 1: don't love the music or the band z a plural,
- 37:41Speaker 1: but it's the fact that the rock and Roll Hall
- 37:43Speaker 1: of Fame is inducting like a hybrid Joy Division slash
- 37:48Speaker 1: New Order. And I get why, it's just the difference
- 37:50Speaker 1: of a singer, right, It just seems fucking weird to me,
- 37:54Speaker 1: Like just like induct New Order and then inducting Curtis
- 38:01Speaker 1: at a later date or something. Doesn't this seem weird?
- 38:04Speaker 1: Doesn't this open a can of worms that we're not
- 38:06Speaker 1: that we're gonna be upset that we opened in like
- 38:08Speaker 1: five ten years. I don't know. Just seems kind of
- 38:12Speaker 1: odd to me. But I hear you hugely influential, and
- 38:15Speaker 1: I get it, and I love them too, and I
- 38:17Speaker 1: understand their greatness. I get it. Just there's something about
- 38:21Speaker 1: that the way it's being done rubs me the wrong way,
- 38:23Speaker 1: and it probably working against them if we're being if
- 38:26Speaker 1: we're being honest about it. But then again, we don't
- 38:28Speaker 1: know how these things get decided, so who the fuck knows?
- 38:31Speaker 1: All right, six one seven nine oh six six six
- 38:34Speaker 1: three eight, voicemail and text you guys want to get
- 38:36Speaker 1: at me at disgrace, slam pod on the socials, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,
- 38:42Speaker 1: you how to do it. I'm gonna take a quick
- 38:44Speaker 1: break and I'll be back in a flash with some recommendations.
- 39:03Speaker 1: All right, we're back and I talked about this last week.
- 39:07Speaker 1: Gonna start doing more recommendations. I know you guys like it.
- 39:10Speaker 1: I like it. I like talking about what music I'm into.
- 39:13Speaker 1: I like talking about what music and films combined get
- 39:17Speaker 1: me going. I like talking about books. I'm reading movies,
- 39:19Speaker 1: I'm watching all that stuff. But I've been thinking, I've
- 39:22Speaker 1: been guys, this is gonna sound so fucked up. I
- 39:27Speaker 1: don't even know how to start this. I've been listening
- 39:30Speaker 1: to more new music that I have in the last decade,
- 39:37Speaker 1: and I have a take on why, but I can't
- 39:41Speaker 1: really articulate it yet. It has a lot to do
- 39:44Speaker 1: with how I don't like how modern rock and modern
- 39:47Speaker 1: guitar oriented music is produced in this sort of new
- 39:52Speaker 1: age of production that we're into, where everything's kind of
- 39:54Speaker 1: done in the box, so to speak. In the way
- 39:57Speaker 1: things sound. It just sounds different from how I was raised,
- 39:59Speaker 1: but going to get into that. However, I've sort of
- 40:03Speaker 1: opened myself up a little bit to being very curious
- 40:08Speaker 1: of modern pop music. And this is largely spun spun
- 40:15Speaker 1: me out from there's spun out, I should say, and
- 40:17Speaker 1: spun me out, spun out from me being on TikTok
- 40:20Speaker 1: and scrolling through and hearing stuff. I'm like, what the
- 40:24Speaker 1: fuck is that? That's good and you know it's new shit,
- 40:31Speaker 1: but it's not new rock, and it's not new ponk
- 40:33Speaker 1: or hardcore. It's like new fucking hip hop and Top forty.
- 40:37Speaker 1: I know that sounds insane, mainly Top forty. I like
- 40:42Speaker 1: the new Harry Styles American Girls song. I know some
- 40:45Speaker 1: of you are vomiting in your mouth. I don't care.
- 40:47Speaker 1: It's a good song and I can appreciate that song
- 40:51Speaker 1: the same way that I could appreciate George Michael in
- 40:55Speaker 1: the nineties. I like, it's not that new, it's from
- 40:58Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. The Dochi song Denial is a River.
- 41:03Speaker 1: It's fucking incredible. Everything I've heard by her is incredible,
- 41:07Speaker 1: by the way, which is new. This is like the
- 41:10Speaker 1: last few days for me. But I can appreciate her
- 41:15Speaker 1: stuff in the same way that I can appreciate Salt
- 41:18Speaker 1: and Pepa from the eighties or en Vogue or something
- 41:21Speaker 1: like that, which I love Doja Cat same thing. You're
- 41:25Speaker 1: gonna think I'm nuts, but I can appreciate that shit
- 41:28Speaker 1: the same way I can appreciate Kanye stuff from like,
- 41:31Speaker 1: you know, the twenty tens or whatever. So I'm not
- 41:35Speaker 1: saying that like we're gonna do recommendations is gonna be
- 41:37Speaker 1: all new music. I'm not saying that, you know. In
- 41:38Speaker 1: addition to I'm also like I've just have late onset
- 41:42Speaker 1: father John Misty appreciation. That's happened to me over the
- 41:45Speaker 1: last month. I've always kind of been curious and liked,
- 41:49Speaker 1: you know, what's a real love baby, that huge song.
- 41:51Speaker 1: But I've now I'm like, I'm deeper into the albums,
- 41:54Speaker 1: and that makes sense. If I told you I was
- 41:56Speaker 1: getting into that that was kind of a new thing
- 41:57Speaker 1: for me, even though he's not new, but a new
- 41:59Speaker 1: thing for me, guy would go, I gotta get that
- 42:02Speaker 1: the dough chy stuff though, that makes no sense, and
- 42:04Speaker 1: I'm not saying again, I'm not saying that, like are
- 42:07Speaker 1: the recommendations We're gonna be doing it gonna be like
- 42:09Speaker 1: new pop music. But I'm just gonna be honest with
- 42:13Speaker 1: what I'm listening to and let you guys know. And
- 42:16Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. You know, I'm being
- 42:19Speaker 1: turned on to new shit, filthy, some of it. Do
- 42:22Speaker 1: Chi stuff is filthy. It's great. Anyhow, We're gonna be
- 42:26Speaker 1: doing the res over in Zeth's Rap Party episodes because
- 42:32Speaker 1: these after parties are jammed and we used to do
- 42:35Speaker 1: them over there, and then we stopped for reasons I
- 42:39Speaker 1: can't remember. But we're gonna start doing them again over
- 42:42Speaker 1: They'll be over there, and uh, don't worry, you won't forget.
- 42:46Speaker 1: I'll remind you here in the after party. And the
- 42:50Speaker 1: best part of the recommendations is it cues up this
- 42:54Speaker 1: conversation with you guys, and you start to send us
- 42:56Speaker 1: your recommendations, which is what we want. Six point seven
- 42:59Speaker 1: I know, sixt sixty six three eight, voicemail and text,
- 43:01Speaker 1: let us know what you're listening to, watching and reading.
- 43:05Speaker 1: TV sucks right now, guys, it sucks. I'm watching fucking
- 43:09Speaker 1: Love Story. Okay. TV blows at the moment. In my opinion,
- 43:14Speaker 1: I'm forcing myself to like this. Jason Bateman Slowburn DTF,
- 43:19Speaker 1: which I don't hate, but I mean, I just like,
- 43:21Speaker 1: I've given this thing, now what four hours of my life,
- 43:24Speaker 1: and I'm just mildly entertained. TV res give me the
- 43:28Speaker 1: TV res. Okay, great film res. I feel like movies
- 43:32Speaker 1: have come back. Movies are now what peak television was
- 43:37Speaker 1: ten years ago, or they're getting there. So we're gonna
- 43:40Speaker 1: talk about that stuff too in the recommendations. And as
- 43:42Speaker 1: you know, music and movies always a central topic for us.
- 43:46Speaker 1: Some of you, if not all of you, know that
- 43:48Speaker 1: we have a new video podcast called This Film Should
- 43:50Speaker 1: be Played Loud and it is available the new episode. Yeah,
- 43:55Speaker 1: you can hear it right now. It came out yesterday.
- 43:58Speaker 1: You gotta be a Patreon member. Go to disgrace pod
- 44:00Speaker 1: dot com to sign up to become an all access member.
- 44:03Speaker 1: We did Big Lebowski this month and it was a
- 44:07Speaker 1: lot of fun, great great movie with incredible music, one
- 44:12Speaker 1: of the greatest soundtracks from the nineties in my opinion,
- 44:16Speaker 1: and a movie where the music I believe changed the
- 44:20Speaker 1: trajectory of the Coen Brothers career. The music from The
- 44:23Speaker 1: Big Lebowski. And you'll hear why I think that, and
- 44:26Speaker 1: you'll hear Ze's thoughts as well, and Zeth is really
- 44:28Speaker 1: more of a film guy than I am, and his
- 44:30Speaker 1: insights into soundtracks and scoring is pretty incredible and I
- 44:35Speaker 1: always come away having learned something and I laugh pretty
- 44:37Speaker 1: fucking hard when we do these, which is great. So
- 44:40Speaker 1: check that out. Next next month's episode is going to
- 44:43Speaker 1: be on High Fidelity, which I know all of you
- 44:47Speaker 1: love that movie, so that's coming up as well. Go
- 44:49Speaker 1: to Disgrace slamdpod dot com to sign up for this
- 44:52Speaker 1: film should be played loud. Make sure you're subscribed to
- 44:55Speaker 1: the hollywood Land podcast so you can get the rap
- 44:58Speaker 1: parties and all the recommendations I'll be doing over there
- 45:01Speaker 1: with Zez, plus everything that Zeth has going on. He's
- 45:03Speaker 1: we got three episodes pop it off a week over
- 45:05Speaker 1: in the Hollywoodland fees. So if you want more double
- 45:07Speaker 1: Elvis content, you're gonna supersize it over there. So make
- 45:11Speaker 1: sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple podcasts, see iHeartRadio
- 45:15Speaker 1: app wherever you get your podcasts. Now, it is time
- 45:19Speaker 1: for the Sports Rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy. This
- 45:23Speaker 1: is the sixty second Sports Rant and under thirty seconds
- 45:26Speaker 1: sponsored by five Hour Energy in their fruity Rainbow flavor.
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- 45:33Speaker 1: flavor with a tasty caffeine kick. Get candy flavored chaos
- 45:37Speaker 1: with Fruity Rainbow Five Hour Energy shots online at www
- 45:41Speaker 1: dot five hour Energy dot com or at Amazon Now. Listen, guys,
- 45:46Speaker 1: I don't think I've nailed one of these sixty second
- 45:48Speaker 1: sports rants and under thirty seconds yet, so we're going
- 45:52Speaker 1: to try right now. The other day, I was cruising
- 45:55Speaker 1: around to YouTube on my couch with my youngest son,
- 45:59Speaker 1: a years old, and we came across a CBS network
- 46:05Speaker 1: football promo from the nineteen seventies, and literally every single
- 46:11Speaker 1: piece of footage, every hit, every action shot from an
- 46:16Speaker 1: NFL game that they were using to promote their games
- 46:20Speaker 1: on CBS, every single one would now be an illegal
- 46:24Speaker 1: hit in today's NFL. My son's mind was blown. He
- 46:28Speaker 1: literally was like, that's a penalty. You can't do it.
- 46:31Speaker 1: You can't do that, you can't now listen, He's not wrong.
- 46:34Speaker 1: Am I gonna pull the old guy card here and
- 46:36Speaker 1: rant about how football is this better back then? Was
- 46:38Speaker 1: it better back then? I can't really say. I don't
- 46:41Speaker 1: know it certainly wasn't healthier. I don't want my son
- 46:44Speaker 1: playing that game that was up there on that screen.
- 46:47Speaker 1: It was nuts. Do yourself as a favorite and google
- 46:50Speaker 1: this or search for this on YouTube. I should say
- 46:53Speaker 1: CBS NFL Sunday Sports promo. It'll come up in no time.
- 46:57Speaker 1: I guarantee it all to say I miss sports right now.
- 47:01Speaker 1: I got nothing. I got nothing. You know this. We're
- 47:03Speaker 1: in the dead zone. I guess I gotta turn my
- 47:06Speaker 1: I gotta put my my frickin green teamer shirt on
- 47:09Speaker 1: here and get on the Celtics bandwagon as we head
- 47:12Speaker 1: into the postseason. But it's it's just where you know.
- 47:15Speaker 1: I'm watching. I'm watching seventies NFL promos on YouTube. Come on, man,
- 47:19Speaker 1: what's wrong with me? Matt? How did I get eighty
- 47:22Speaker 1: nine seconds?
- 47:23Speaker 2: Jake?
- 47:23Speaker 1: So, I guess it was a sixty second sports rant
- 47:26Speaker 1: in under ninety seconds? All right, Well, you can't faulp
- 47:29Speaker 1: me for trying. That was a sports rant sponsored by
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- 47:35Speaker 1: candy like flavor explosion and satisfy your sweet tooth with
- 47:39Speaker 1: this zero sugar treat. Once again, you can get in
- 47:42Speaker 1: on the candy flavor Chaos online at www Dot five
- 47:46Speaker 1: hour Energy dot com or Amazon today. Guys. I loved
- 47:50Speaker 1: our britpop conversation from earlier, but we got more on
- 47:53Speaker 1: this subject, specifically, which iconic rockstars were nearly kidnapped by
- 48:00Speaker 1: a British band of just complete in Total Criminals. We're
- 48:06Speaker 1: gonna get into that. We're gonna get into love story
- 48:08Speaker 1: Damon and Justine. Okay, we're gonna get into that in
- 48:12Speaker 1: the exclusive section. Good at disgracelandpod dot com to sign up.
- 48:28Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome back. Let's uh, you know the archive.
- 48:31Speaker 1: You know the archive, Disgraceland Archive. What's the disgrace Land Archive. Well,
- 48:34Speaker 1: let's got two hundred and sixty plus episodes on tons
- 48:39Speaker 1: of artists that you know and love, and every week
- 48:42Speaker 1: I inevitably mentioned some of them, and it's a good
- 48:45Speaker 1: jumping off point to clue you guys into the archive.
- 48:48Speaker 1: We mentioned Oasis, The Clash, Sex Pistols, Generation X, Billy Idol,
- 48:55Speaker 1: Joy Division, and we have episodes on all of those artists.
- 48:58Speaker 1: Matt will grab the episode information put it in the
- 49:02Speaker 1: show notes of this page to help you guys easily
- 49:04Speaker 1: navigate to those stories. Should you want to hear them?
- 49:06Speaker 1: And you should. You should want to hear them because
- 49:08Speaker 1: if you know, if I say so myself, they're you know,
- 49:11Speaker 1: they're fucking awesome. Okay, listen, let's recap shat we Number
- 49:14Speaker 1: one this week, our new episode on Pete Already is
- 49:16Speaker 1: available for you to listen to you right now. Number two,
- 49:17Speaker 1: our rewind episode coming up next is on Bobby Brown.
- 49:20Speaker 1: Number three next week a very special Disgraceland episode that
- 49:24Speaker 1: you are not going to want to miss. Number four,
- 49:27Speaker 1: Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywood Lands.
- 49:30Speaker 1: To make sure you're subscribed on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app,
- 49:33Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast. Number five are new.
- 49:36Speaker 1: This film should be played loud video podcasts on the
- 49:39Speaker 1: Big Lebowski is available for you to watch right now
- 49:42Speaker 1: over on our Patreon. Go to disgracelandpod dot com to
- 49:46Speaker 1: sign up. Number six six one seven nine oh six
- 49:48Speaker 1: six six three eight, Give me call, let me voicemail,
- 49:50Speaker 1: semi text your voice. It keeps us digging into the
- 49:53Speaker 1: dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting
- 49:56Speaker 1: with your answers to the week's question of the week,
- 49:58Speaker 1: or with whatever else you want to talk.
- 50:00Speaker 2: Seven.
- 50:00Speaker 1: Don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community,
- 50:03Speaker 1: a community the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books,
- 50:07Speaker 1: records and the crime and grime that ties them all together,
- 50:10Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.
- 50:14Speaker 1: December second, two thousand and six, that's the day that
- 50:17Speaker 1: Mark Blanco stopped partying with Pete Daugherty and died in
- 50:21Speaker 1: a well pretty sketchy way. And on that day, this
- 50:24Speaker 1: is what America was listening to, according to the Billboard Charts.
- 50:29Speaker 1: Number one I Want to Love You Acon featuring Snoop
- 50:33Speaker 1: Dogg last week seventeen peak positions one weeks on chart
- 50:39Speaker 1: number eight, Number two, Smack That Acon featuring eminem Pea
- 50:45Speaker 1: last week three two peak position peak two weeks on chart.
- 50:50Speaker 1: Weeks on number three, it replaced it last week hind
- 50:55Speaker 1: position peak position five seeks on chart three five weeks
- 51:00Speaker 1: on number four. My Love Justin Timberlake featuring t I
- 51:05Speaker 1: last week one, keep position one week's on a shot
- 51:11Speaker 1: number five
- 51:12Speaker 2: For Delicious, Quit talking and start mixing cult It