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Magic Guys Podcast Wins FISM Award! 🎉 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, well, well, well.
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  Look at us, the Magic Guys, taking it out, bringing it home with the goods.
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  And Doug's got that sweet The latest gimmick from Trick Supply Ladies and gentlemen,
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  I'm Josh Norbedo To my left we have Nick K, professional mind blower And also joining us this week is,
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  Bonsoir mon ami Bonjour Paul et Doug I apologize for our people Listening to
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  this at night About the air horns that are coming up I know you hate it when you're laying in bed But,
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  Wake up those are they are,
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  celebratory blowhorns because friends if you haven't heard the news we are,
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  we were nominated for best podcast at FISM and then we got the news on Saturday
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  night Friday night in the US and I get this amazing text going Magic Guys FISM
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  best podcast you guys won I was like we won let's go.
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  Yeah this is bro this is so wild like it's so weird it's so weird I mean,
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  so Nick, you got a message from someone like that's what you were just saying, right?
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  And then I got the message from Nick.
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  I'm backstage at a gig and he's like, guys, guys, I think we might've won.
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  And I'm like, what? I can't have this news now.
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  This is, I got to do stuff. And then I like check my messages and no kidding.
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  I see Blaise Sarah sent me a message who's on the FISM committee for that category.
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  And he's like, congrats on the win. I'm like, oh my God. And then Dennis Kim
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  sends it. And then everyone's like sending messages.
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  And we try to contact Doug But he's asleep Because it's the US At that point
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  So yeah I wake up to my phone Dinging from the magic guys Who get news at ungodly
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  hours That's right But yay.
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  Damn yeah and then it was great and
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  then we're inundated with messages and beautiful things from yourself like
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  all you guys in the chat just a quick shout out to everyone who's here we have we
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  have gary davis scott link scotty painter good to
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  see you we have nick dragoteer gutbuster mike scott
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  oh john prentice we haven't seen you in a while good to see you bud yes and
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  the great garnini guys thank you you i the
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  moment i got the news i was actually backstage myself i shot you guys a
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  video on the discord so thank you guys all for your support
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  we just been doing what we're doing we didn't set out
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  to win an award we just do what we love and we
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  do it with with genuine intent to make
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  the scene better the community better and i feel that that was
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  what got us there and we got there with your
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  support so thank you listeners for everything
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  that's the real without that
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  we don't get squadush i mean yeah it's great
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  to be nominated and it was enough i was like wow someone recognized
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  our efforts labor of love right and and
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  i guess everyone feels the love we don't have ulterior motives there's
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  no sponsors or any bs we just do this
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  thing and i think the community feels the vibe and
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  enough to go vote for us and that made all the difference thanks
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  tell us yeah so appreciated we
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  this is coming up to five years at the end of this
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  year which is insane wow nothing there was
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  never any mention of awards or recognition or
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  anything back then it was just fun and it was a fun place.
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  To chat magic and and somehow you weirdos have come along for the ride to join.
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  Us weirdos every week you know what i will say about that as well it's like.
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  This is the podcast that i would want to listen to that's that that was my intention
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  when we started this like i am the newest member of the band i'm kind of the
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  jason newstead of metallica.
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  And when when it came time to go on board i was like cool i'd want to be part of it but can we do,
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  this can we do trivia do fun stuff
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  can we do history lessons and then they're like sure and
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  you guys dig it which means we dig it so yeah i
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  think it's great you know it's fun and i
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  think to kick things off we we actually have a speak pipe from one of you guys
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  one of our fellow listeners this one's from kevin thank you for sending this
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  in kevin my name's kevin rosewood and the first thing i want to say is just
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  congratulations on the fism award you all absolutely deserve it there at the Magic Guys podcast.
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  And I know I've been a long time listener and you have all helped me really
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  fine tune how I perform. And I love hearing all of your ideas,
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  which leads me to the question I have for you today.
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  I'm trying to create a really good 15 minute close up routine that mixes in
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  cards and coins and a few other things.
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  What ideas do you all have that could help create one of the best 15-minute
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  close-up sets for table hopping or roving magic.
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  Boom good question okay well that's a that's a loaded question that's a lot of,
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  stuff you could go into that's our episode now i want
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  to throw it i'm can i can i take
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  point on this one yeah but firstly make sure
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  you you take in ronnie lato's comment all right nick stay the same don't let
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  your ego take over and start changing who you are all right oh damn it that
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  ruins everything for me god damn it yeah okay so what i want to say is uh the
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  15 minute close-up set that encompasses lots of different things.
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  I'm not opposed to that, right?
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  But think about it a different way. I'm just going to throw it out there and
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  play with these ideas, okay?
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  And this is kind of me projecting my own biases because this is what I do.
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  So I hate people who do that, but I'm just going to speak from experience.
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  Think about maybe doing sets, but you have a dedicated coin set,
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  a dedicated card set, a dedicated different discipline set, as opposed to trying
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  to make one set with all these things thrown into it, because it can be a little
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  disjointed and it's not always the easiest thing to be able to go from one thing into the other.
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  So it's not impossible in the same breath, but the reason I do it this way is
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  that when I approach tables, and I've mentioned this before in episodes past,
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  I'll say, what do you want to do?
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  We could do card magic, coin magic, or my award-winning stuff. What do you want to see?
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  And they go, award-winning stuff. And you go, great. And I want to see card stuff.
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  Great i want to do rubber bands
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  like you can give options now that's one
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  thing i want to make mention so i think it might be worth doing short sets
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  like that and whatever else a 15
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  minute set as far as being in a roving setting is quite long is a very long
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  time but it's good to have because you do create these things modular and stop
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  if you need to sometimes they need to be distracted for 15 minutes at a restaurant
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  gig so pro tip on that one by all means be modular okay but the other thing
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  is that look for things that flow.
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  So for example, you could do, you could have a bunch of rubber bands on your
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  wrist, for example, and you can have a coin routine, right?
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  Where you have the coins and then you could, or maybe like every other way around,
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  maybe you can have like your rubber bands, right? You go to put one on your
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  wrist and you're just stretching it.
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  When you slap it together, it shoots back to your wrist, but then you produce
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  the coin and then you can segue into things.
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  There's cool things you can do like that. I, for example, segue into doing Like
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  I do a coin routine, then I produce a pen from it and then I show that the pen's
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  gone inside the pen cap and then I do like a whole pen and cap routine.
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  So there's ways you can flow it, but.
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  Until we know what your repertoire consists of, I can't tell you what's going
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  to flow into what, but take a moment and explore what's going to flow into what.
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  Modular is the key. And if you can find pieces that connect different ways,
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  then you can flow them together differently.
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  Here's my bit of advice. Keep the routines off the table.
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  Work on stuff that's in the hands and that presents you and your dynamic towards
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  the audience as opposed down to the table.
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  Working the table is limited and in a
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  few ways but if we can keep our energy out here
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  and if you keep it in the hands you'll save yourself a lot
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  of headache moving forward and i
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  would say the last bit is the audience
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  will feel your excitement if you're excited about the tricks
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  you're doing like you aren't you can't you do
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  at some point have to just lean into the stuff that
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  you already like doing and make and find
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  a way to make that really fun and
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  and and tight and sharp as a routine because yeah
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  like how many times have you seen someone do the same trick but it's so more
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  impressive when someone else does it a lot of the time it's because of the energy
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  and who they are and a perfect example is i had one of the best roving gigs
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  of my life two nights ago And it's because before I went on,
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  we found out we won FISM and I had just seen Eric Leclerc rock the damn house
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  the night before with his crazy energy.
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  Those two things combined made me do the same roving set I normally do.
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  But I was just such a weirdo, full of energy, crazy person running around these
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  gala tables that everyone freaking loved it and was screaming.
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  And it was just energy based, not trick based. And so that's a massive part into you.
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  Like you have to pick the stuff that you enjoy and then find a way to make it look sick.
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  Yeah. And the danger of that is I got a hot tip for maintaining that energy
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  and that's to improve your set every time you go out to perform,
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  bring a new line, bring a new moment where you're directing the gaze.
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  Maybe your method is improved.
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  And then this same energy will exist for you because you know you're showing
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  your audience something a little more powerful than normal. So they'll feel that vibe.
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  Continue to improve and bring that to your audience. They'll feel it.
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  Yeah. By the way, Herbert, thank you so much for your super chat.
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  That's very kind of you. What a flex. What?
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  We're making money, finally. We're finally monetized.
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  I knew. And that's $3.33 each. But, Doug, that's AU.
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  So that'll be a dollar for you, US. So that's enough for the new mic I've been wanting, right? Yeah.
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  With the tariffs, we can do the math.
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  Absolutely. Yeah. No, thank you, guys. Yes, that's amazing. Obviously,
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  we also have the shameless plug, the old Mert store as well.
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  That's in the link below, but you can get our Magic Guys cups.
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  We also have our Mert shirts.
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  What do you guys think, by the way? We were considering a FISM-inspired Magic Guys t-shirt.
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  But what do you guys think as the audience? Is that something that would be
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  cool or do we just keep rocking the OG ones? Let us know.
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  So just circling back to the question, gentlemen, And there's something that
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  Ronnie made mention, which is kind of interesting, says, I have the same ideology
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  with what Doug said with my art flow, in which you can paint the same thing
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  over and over again, and it could bring the energy down.
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  So that's an interesting thing. So if you are going to be doing something repetitively
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  that you don't get tired of it and so forth, that's a really, really good point.
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  Yeah. You're walking through the motions, your audience will know.
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  You know, I hear this about David Copperfield show here all the time,
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  how he shows up sometimes and just is walking through it and your audience knows
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  then i'm suggesting if you're working on improving that act you're not going
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  to do that and your audience will feel differently yeah.
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  Exactly yeah yeah and that comes from also
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  not doing something that you actually like doing like that's why i can't do
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  invisible deck like the the gimmicked one because i just have no enthusiasm
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  about it and so i would end up being an autopilot personally yeah so i make
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  it difficult and I have to be present, but it's fun.
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  Nick, you just did a whole ton of shows at the Melbourne Magic Festival or a
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  ton of shows just happened at the festival. Absolutely.
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  What can you tell us about it, man? Okay, I wasn't sure there was one more speak
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  pipe. Is it just the one that we're doing? Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what?
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  Of course, this is about the viewers.
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  Let's go back. So we have one from, this one's really cool. This one's from a long time listener.
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  I don't know if he's listened to every episode, But I know he was listening
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  back before we even did these live Our friend from Johannesburg Mr.
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  Odd Modlin I'm going to bring up his speak pipe And here we go,
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  How's the magic guys? This is Odd from Joburg, South Africa.
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  I've got a bit of a question for you.
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  So I'm not a technically a regular professional magician, you know,
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  I've got a regular corporate job.
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  I'm usually doing magic when I'm out having a good time or whatever.
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  I had a weird interaction tonight where I'm doing magic for a couple of ladies
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  randomly sitting at a table and one of them felt the need very quickly to inform
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  me that her fiance is not here tonight because she's feeling sick.
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  So my question is, am I being too flirty in my presentation,
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  in my patter or whatever, or do you guys deal with this a lot?
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  Just like to know how I should adjust there.
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  Let me know what you think. Thanks.
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  You know what I'm realizing? The only problem with
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  these speak pipes is we can't ask them follow-up questions
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  because the question I would ask is you know
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  what lines are you saying in your routines but
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  normally it's people hitting
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  on us or asking if we're single and things it's not usually the
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  other way around but what are your experiences so just I
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  just want clarity on on what we heard like so she was
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  on her lonesome and said that I'm normally my partner was
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  going to be here but now I'm by myself because he's ill is that
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  right that's right yeah okay i think
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  that's just a i think that's just an exchange in
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  which that person felt self-conscious about their state of being alone and there
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  is that sort of like if you were to go to a comedy show and there was like tables
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  at the front of your set and there was one table with the seats four but one
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  person sitting there that's this little moment of like,
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  Why is there no one on the table? It's like, everyone's like,
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  I have friends. I do. I'm not by myself.
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  You know, I think that for me, like I just instinctively, that's what I think
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  is the exchange that's happening.
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  And yeah, I, I, I look, that's one entity. If you do think that you're being
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  flirty while you perform, I do say scale it back.
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  The last thing you want as a reputation as a performer is I hired this magician
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  and he spent the whole time hitting on my daughter all night.
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  It's like, you don't want that reputation.
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  Like you don't want any of that behind you.
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  You want to say like, we hired him and our whole family loved him and he was
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  very lovely and respectful to everyone that was there.
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  That's an exchange you want to have. I know that there was, I've heard stories
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  of, can we, I don't know if we can say the person's name, but let's just say
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  that their first name is Matt and they have a hill name after them in LA.
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  So who's had this reputation and it's not the way that you want to conduct. yourself.
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  You don't get paid to pick up. But no, he's doing social magic. Let's not forget that.
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  And those boundaries and worlds are a little different.
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  My advice is to be careful out there. That's how I ended up with three children
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  and an ex-wife. So tread cautiously out in the wild.
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  That's cool. I guess if I'm reflecting, I'll never do any direct complimenting of looks and stuff.
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  I'll always be polite and like compliment how well they helped or like you're
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  amazing or things like that.
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  High five, all that kind of stuff. But I'll never throw a line out there that
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  could be insinuated in any other concept.
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  And that's, and, and it's so that I can treat whatever I say to that woman,
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  I could say the exact same stuff to the guy.
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  In fact, I'll like fake hit on guys, if anything,
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  you know, to like say everyone's relaxed and not thinking i'm
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  trying to yeah well you
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  know there's a there's some gentleman out there for the
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  right fee yeah but that's right that you
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  know that that jungle of world of performing just
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  make it a rule to not be the place that you're also trying
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  to pick up because it'll get messy and it'll people talk
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  100 have fun maybe you can it's social
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  these rules are different and in the wild really
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  anything should go magic at its highest art is
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  like taking people out of their normal environment
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  and making it you know magical that's where you get to do
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  it so sometimes you may be picking up chicks when you do that that's cool and
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  the other thing or dudes josh don't let me that's yeah let's go the other thing
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  i'll say obviously mod odd sorry we're not this we know you're not doing this
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  where this is just general advice for the people out there but odd maybe what it is,
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  you know, I can tell you have a great sounding voice.
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  Maybe she was feeling uncomfortable about just naturally how attracted to you she was.
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  So she just said that, you know, to deflect her own.
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  Feelings and passion and was like, oh my God, this guy's so hot.
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  Just so you know, my fiance, I have one.
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  He's real. He's just not here, but I have one and I can't take this any further. I'm sorry.
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  Like maybe it was from her own natural urges.
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  So take it as a compliment, my friend. Yeah. That's what I would do.
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  Yeah. Guys, you were going bloody crazy in the chat. Can we just acknowledge another,
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  super chat here from scotty p and and
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  first of all without you guys i wouldn't be living my dream and
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  that just freaking that should be on a t-shirt i think that's that's
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  amazing and come on guys you guys are
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  going berserk drago tear without all
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  of your help there is no way i'd be the magician i am next coffee is on me dude
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  you guys are just what is happening right now we're gonna have to split a milkshake
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  in vegas we're gonna have to put three straws in it and just kind of take a
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  photograph and let you guys know that this is where your money's going i'm not doing that,
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  i'm not sharing straws with y'all you're gonna get us at least enough super
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  chats where we can get our own milkshakes yeah well we have there's three super
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  chats now so that's that's one each that's for sure by the way but in vegas
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  dollars that's 49 for three milkshakes oh that's maybe a light estimate.
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  You probably can't get a milkshake for less than 20 bucks here.
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  Well, the one thing that I buy a lot of when I'm in Vegas is chicken and waffles.
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  That's my go-to breakfast. Yeah, all day.
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  All day, every day. Yeah, so I'm about that. So again, thank you friends.
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  And I hope that helps you at all. Again, in a social setting, that's fine.
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  And I guess one thing as well is that people can project whatever things they
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  want to say to you, but it's also how you respond to that that's important.
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  So if someone says like, it could be if like
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  if it was in i don't know if it's he said it was a show right or was
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  it a social setting now he performs in social settings but to me when
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  he explained it that was he was performing properly so that's the
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  way i mean that's what he said yeah yeah that's what
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  that's what i interpreted when i when i when he was speaking so
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  to that point if she does say like oh my partner
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  is not here you could say in return to that to deflect if even if it's come
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  on from her you could just say like oh that's such a shame well you you let
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  him know that we all wish him well okay you know we're wishing a speed recovery
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  and we hope that he can come back and see us again soon you can just like pay that off you know.
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  A hundred percent. Yeah. So I hope that answers your question,
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  Odd. And again, you know, if there's any sort of follow-ups,
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  you can drop it in our Discord. We have a podcast chat.
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  You can say, hey, as per my chat, this.
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  And we can obviously chat about it a little further in there if you guys need to.
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  So guys, thanks for sending in your speak pipes. We love hearing from you guys.
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  So send as many as you like. We like to answer them.
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  So other than that, I think it's time that we press on to the news.
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  Let's do it. Okay.
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  On to the news. firstly a quick
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  one the very talented jackson aces a
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  aussie magician from sydney is going to
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  be in melbourne doing shows he's performing
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  this saturday the 26th of july at the melbourne
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  crown casino so you guys can scope that out his tickets are available online
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  so give that a give it a scope out he did just finish doing a run of shows at
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  the opera house to my knowledge so he's doing good things he's doing good and
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  big things so i think it's worth scoping out i unfortunately have to perform
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  a large-scale event at the Rendezvous.
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  But yeah, so quick shout-out to Jackson Aces. Fun story. I go to the Copperfield
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  Museum, right? I did that tour. Who's there?
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  Jackson Aces. He was in town doing a rugby event and doing a show on Fremont. He's at the museum.
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  We brought up and went through that thing together. He does some good social media out there.
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  Small world, but I hate the payment. I, it's so bizarre how small the world it is.
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  100%. When you sent me that photo, I was like, God damn it. Jackson's getting everywhere.
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  It's great. He does some good stuff. I think he might've been like,
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  honestly, I feel like he was one of the first Aussie magicians to start getting
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  viral videos, especially on the TikToks.
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  Sorry, my mic just decided to disconnect itself. So don't mind me while I hook this back up.
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  I was going to say, we can mute you while you sort yourself out.
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  And so, in other news, we just wrapped up the Melbourne Magic Festival.
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  The Melbourne Magic Festival ran for two weeks here in Melbourne.
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  It was run out of multiple venues across the city with some amazing acts going through.
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  Namely, we had the great Kaplan come back and perform for a second time.
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  Seeing his wonderful, wonderful acts.
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  If you haven't seen his stuff before, he does some brilliant things.
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  It's such a beautiful act that he's been polishing for years upon years.
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  And i think most recently he would have released this giant
• 22:05
  newspaper effect if you haven't seen
• 22:08
  it doug you're probably familiar with this it's a giant newspaper effect but it
• 22:11
  gets enormous and effectively he changes into another person so
• 22:14
  yeah big headline it's in our cases that trick
• 22:17
  supply it's beautiful it's killer it's a born
• 22:20
  and restored with the person production and it is
• 22:23
  expensive it's like 350 for this thing but you
• 22:26
  know it's a working prop obviously they're a
• 22:29
  professional and it will it will
• 22:32
  last you a lifetime yeah now it's like it's made
• 22:35
  from the same stuff that they made superman's cape out of so you know it's good
• 22:40
  yeah we also had you know amazing local talents we had some guys return back
• 22:45
  home so our fism winner simon coronel he flew back to do some cool stuff with
• 22:50
  us as well it was really cool to do some shows alongside him our
• 22:54
  FISM representative, Josh Staley. He also did shows as well.
• 22:56
  Well done to him for representing in Italy, bless your heart.
• 23:01
  And a barrage of amazing kids shows as well.
• 23:05
  We had, there was the Mojo show, Nicholas J. Johnson, who we've had on the show
• 23:08
  before. He did an amazing show as well.
• 23:11
  And so, but as well as that, we have our international guests who we always
• 23:14
  love to celebrate. We had Tobias Dostal and Eric LeClaire come and do shows here for those weeks.
• 23:22
  And thankful i mean
• 23:25
  eric has in australia just finished doing a lecture tour all
• 23:28
  the way around josh i think you just finished hanging out with him over the
• 23:30
  weekend in brisbane yeah oh yeah and there'll be a montage video of our time
• 23:36
  at the theater of magic coming out tomorrow or something like that stay tuned
• 23:41
  he's a wild guy it's really funny because when we first met we met at a coffee shop.
• 23:47
  He, and I was like, do you want coffee? He's like, I can't drink coffee.
• 23:52
  And he can't, he can't. The guy, the guy is Red Bull with legs.
• 23:58
  Yeah, it's phenomenal. And is, you know, mid 40s, like in a great,
• 24:06
  oh my God, ridiculous shape, annoying, like good shape.
• 24:10
  In fact, he actually, he dropped me a line after he'd met you, Josh.
• 24:13
  And he was like, Josh is in way better shape than you, huh?
• 24:17
  And I was like, yeah.
• 24:22
  That's funny. Yeah. But we've agreed to actually go to Magic Live next year.
• 24:28
  We're going to run amok. And I said that come next year, we are going to like,
• 24:31
  we're going to hit the gym and then we're going to get in the best shape and
• 24:33
  be the sexiest guy sitting around the pool at magic live. And then,
• 24:37
  and then Josh can bring his camera and photograph us and we'll do a magic guys, magic calendar.
• 24:43
  All of us with our shirts off. I'm in for that. Yeah.
• 24:48
  That would be the weirdest thing to send out to all our listeners that are guys. Mostly.
• 24:56
  Not all of them. some of them well you know what here's a fun little exercise
• 25:00
  whilst everyone's in the chat listening away josh and i joked about it many
• 25:06
  a times and we were saying like who are tanked up,
• 25:11
  magicians so i was like okay well josh he's a tank leclerc he's a tank michael amarr that guy's.
• 25:19
  He's yeah he's power lifter tank like he's huge joshua jay that's four so far
• 25:25
  jay sankey's pretty buff. He seems like he works out a bit.
• 25:29
  He is getting more buff than the old days.
• 25:33
  True. I have to check on that. Here's one, not me.
• 25:37
  Not yet not yet
• 25:40
  you're one year buddy i'm losing a little
• 25:43
  bit at a time you look great whatever yeah i mean as the senior states oh blaze
• 25:50
  sierra that's a good one runny yeah nice yeah he's he looks fantastic actually
• 25:54
  he's unnaturally handsome and sexy kind of hate the guy maybe we need to start
• 26:01
  a magic live boot camp like every morning,
• 26:03
  after everyone's been on the bender.
• 26:05
  You get up and run, do crossfit, chin-ups. Yeah.
• 26:09
  I bet Dennis Kim. No, not really. Dennis Kim looks in good shape,
• 26:12
  right? He looks like he's pretty well. Dennis Kim.
• 26:16
  Yes. What about Chris Angel? He's kind of buff. Yeah, he's totally axed.
• 26:21
  It's probably airbrushed on there. Yeah.
• 26:24
  Backstage with the airbrush before the show. Yeah. Ronnie made another good one. A little bit more.
• 26:31
  Yeah, Chris Wayne. That's right. he's in great shape thank you scotty panzer
• 26:34
  david blaine david blaine kind of yo-yos though is he tanked again i mean he
• 26:39
  is fasting so much for his live shows i mean there's got to be some,
• 26:44
  you know ripness in that now surely yeah i mean in his in his do not attempt he looked pretty good,
• 26:50
  his do not attempt series we'll check on that yeah but the point i guess me
• 26:57
  and nick were coming to was like we were like all right if we were doing a magic
• 27:01
  calendar could we name 12 buff magicians and between the two of us on that call
• 27:06
  we couldn't we got to like six or something we're like hmm,
• 27:10
  so that i don't know what that says about our industry but it was just interesting
• 27:15
  it's just interesting the amazing nigel was some gasoline over the lens i would
• 27:20
  spend good money on that like that that's funny to about like four of us that
• 27:25
  know what that reference is but that's very funny.
• 27:28
  So my, my experience with Eric was, you know, what's interesting is Eric actually
• 27:33
  does have an off switch for energy.
• 27:36
  Like he can control it, even though it's always in him when he's not doing the
• 27:40
  show, he was very meticulous and calm and observant.
• 27:46
  And then the moment he goes backstage to be introduced, he just turns into an
• 27:52
  absolute nutter, which I've never seen in person that extra level of energy.
• 27:58
  Like I'm used to me having a Red Bull and then, you know, thinking I'm going crazy.
• 28:04
  And then the amazing Nigel at the Theatre of Magic is what we call a can of crazy.
• 28:08
  But then there's this extra level I just was never exposed to,
• 28:12
  which is so infectious and he can kind of get away with anything.
• 28:17
  And it just, it really opened my eyes to like this extra level I haven't considered
• 28:23
  of really going full throttle on stage with an audience.
• 28:27
  They couldn't get enough of it. you know and he you know he if i really think
• 28:32
  about it over 45 minutes there was probably like.
• 28:36
  Four effects four or five effects and the rest was just
• 28:38
  making the audience laugh their absolute asses off
• 28:42
  that's what happens when that's that's what happens when you're able to find
• 28:47
  a way to let your audience see who you really are right and and and not that
• 28:53
  we all don't kind of do that but some guys are able to do that and turn it up
• 28:57
  enough to where the whole audience can get the vibe.
• 29:01
  I totally agree we we actually shared a stage performing on
• 29:04
  a friday night we did two nights i couldn't do the saturday
• 29:07
  but it was called the comedy all stars of which eric
• 29:10
  was headlining and that shows myself emceeing the
• 29:12
  event we had lj liam jumpets who we've
• 29:15
  had on the show before you might recall him as the wrestling magician who's
• 29:19
  now retired from wrestling so thank you
• 29:21
  for your service and then our friend mr marmalade as
• 29:24
  well he was that's kind of sad for me yeah isn't
• 29:28
  it i know we need more wrestling magi whatever
• 29:31
  good good for you young man you'll have
• 29:34
  a good back late in life is the shocker still doing it yeah but he's like corporate
• 29:39
  shocker now you know i see greg dowie's producing shows and doing corporate
• 29:43
  walk around he's got that shocker energy but he's in a suit you know what i
• 29:47
  mean i think you know i think the uh uh, late night show,
• 29:52
  the late, the late night magic. And it's coming back in October.
• 29:57
  So y'all will miss it, but I'll go back and see this show. He's in.
• 30:02
  It was at the Orleans hidden in the back. Yeah. Great venue.
• 30:06
  I thought for that show, but I guess they're, they're bringing it back bigger. So stay tuned.
• 30:12
  Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So circling back, you know, Eric did his show.
• 30:16
  Great amount of energy. You know, we had a couple hundred people in this, this theater, uh,
• 30:19
  And it's great. It's just great to see a pro. There is something that you need
• 30:23
  to take away from that and realize what it takes to be an international talent,
• 30:26
  to be a world-class talent.
• 30:27
  And Eric brought the game, so credit to him.
• 30:30
  It's an original point of view. That's what it is. It's an original point of
• 30:34
  view because he's being authentic and letting people know who he is.
• 30:39
  The other thing I'll say too, what a G.
• 30:43
  At the Theatre of Magic, the three of us, that whoever's performing on the night,
• 30:47
  will take part in some stuff before the show.
• 30:50
  One person will do pre-show in the room. Another person will check people in with their tickets.
• 30:56
  And the third person will take photos of the guests at the photo wall.
• 31:01
  And so Eric was on photo wall duties.
• 31:03
  I was like, would you mind? I know you're a big international guest.
• 31:07
  Everyone's here to see you, but are you okay taking photos? He's like,
• 31:11
  yeah, hell yeah, that's fine.
• 31:14
  And Eric made it a show. He was pickpocketing audience members as they go up
• 31:20
  to get their photo taken.
• 31:22
  Like he was really humble. He was like, hi guys, I'd love to take a photo of
• 31:25
  you. Looking fabulous, blah, blah, blah.
• 31:27
  And then he'd be like, now everyone who comes to the show gets a complimentary
• 31:31
  umbrella. So here's yours, sir. And he just taken the guy's umbrella.
• 31:35
  And he's like, you know, a lot of people had iPhones that are the wallet.
• 31:39
  So he'd just take the driver's license out. He's like, oh, is your middle name Sarah?
• 31:43
  Oh, that's so interesting. Well, you know what? Have a driver's license.
• 31:46
  And he actually made it a show, which I've never considered.
• 31:50
  And now he's already opened my eyes up to that, you know?
• 31:53
  And so he made a whole thing about that. So people are already laughing and
• 31:57
  having a good time when they're not even meant to yet. They're not even in the actual room.
• 32:02
  And that was a big eye opener to me. And the other thing was,
• 32:06
  I'll note it, I'll mention, Eric didn't wear a jacket.
• 32:08
  He rocked a vest like a waistcoat and you
• 32:12
  know sleeves all the way rolled up i think he only brought
• 32:15
  one audience member on stage in the
• 32:18
  whole show which is really eye-opening it was
• 32:21
  only to read a prediction so
• 32:24
  he's not even bringing people up to like you know
• 32:27
  use them as the prop to make
• 32:30
  things funny he was just funny himself standing up
• 32:33
  there which was really interesting like it's an intimate audience
• 32:36
  so he could interact with everyone by asking
• 32:39
  them stuff but he just an
• 32:43
  observation he wasn't bringing people up for every trick and wasn't wearing
• 32:46
  a jacket so really strong that means you can pretty much work in any environment
• 32:51
  if you're able to do that like yeah really impressive just first on the topic
• 32:56
  of eric i wanted to ask you did you have an opportunity to go to the to the lecture that he did.
• 33:01
  Unfortunately not i had to perform in showman
• 33:04
  and i wasn't there but everyone talked about how
• 33:07
  good it was some people in the chat i'm
• 33:10
  sure were there as well yeah and yeah that
• 33:14
  was a that was now now i unfortunately wasn't able to go myself because it was
• 33:19
  in the middle of a saturday which is just a no-no as far as having clashing
• 33:23
  with gigs but i spent enough time with him that we spoke about whatever else
• 33:27
  and he has and i've got to mention this because i'm hoping there's Someday you
• 33:31
  guys will be able to see this in the market,
• 33:33
  but he has this kind of gaffed book.
• 33:37
  And I wanted to share this. I'm going to share the story. So,
• 33:40
  because you'll see it someday yourself, right?
• 33:41
  It's not cheap, but it's so awesome. And it's just this amazing ability to be able to force anything.
• 33:46
  He created this thing alongside Spidey. I have a version of it here.
• 33:51
  And we pre-showed something very hilarious with this effect.
• 33:56
  And I'm just going to tell you it because you guys weren't there and you deserve
• 33:58
  to know. So, here's what's up. Liam Jumpert's our good wrestling friend and magician.
• 34:04
  I've set him up for this routine because Eric's like, Hey man,
• 34:06
  I'm doing this lecture bit. And I need to know like someone who's going to be
• 34:09
  there. I need a picture of his mom.
• 34:12
  I was like, what? He's like, yeah, do this bit. And so then what he does is
• 34:16
  he gets this book and he's like, Oh, I've got a, I've got a list of like all
• 34:20
  the people I want to make out with, you know, um, all the people I've met in the festival.
• 34:24
  And he's like going through it like this. And then he's like,
• 34:27
  you choose and then numbered.
• 34:28
  So he's like, you choose a number, Doug, between like 1 and 40,
• 34:30
  and then you say whatever.
• 34:32
  You say like 28, and he goes, cool, and he flicks through and he gets to 28,
• 34:36
  and it says your mom, and then he turns the book around, and it's a photograph
• 34:42
  of your mom. Like, it's so funny.
• 34:45
  That's so funny he got a photo of of
• 34:48
  lj's mom yeah right yeah yeah well
• 34:51
  i hooked it up because i know i know the fam and so i was
• 34:53
  just like i was like here's lj he's this is what he looks
• 34:56
  like this is his mom have fun and he was just like you're the best and so he
• 35:00
  went to an office where he's printed it out gaffed up this book just for the
• 35:03
  gag and it's it's genius and i think it's only a matter of time before it hits
• 35:09
  the shelves but we were lucky enough whilst he's doing this lecture tour to
• 35:11
  get it like long before anyone else will see it you know what i mean.
• 35:15
  As well as that he's got this amazing blindfold thing he has which is it's a
• 35:19
  blindfold when you take the blindfold off it's actually a pair of underwear
• 35:21
  it's very very clever very funny,
• 35:23
  yeah so i just wanted to shout that out because unless
• 35:27
  you were there you wouldn't have had the opportunity to experience it so if it
• 35:30
  ever comes around again just keep your lips tight and
• 35:33
  enjoy the experience you're about that book is freaking genius and
• 35:37
  if anyone is got brent braun on their radar with
• 35:40
  j and b magic he did mention he had a few of those eric
• 35:43
  was there doing some shows and lectures and dropped off a
• 35:46
  handful of those books it's an incredible idea
• 35:49
  and he might have a couple left probably too late but there's a hot tip if you
• 35:54
  can go there and look i i purchased two of them two blank ones for me to customize
• 36:00
  myself it's so smart yeah it's genius yeah but then And moving across from Eric,
• 36:08
  we had the amazing Tobias Dostal.
• 36:12
  Now, if you don't know who he is, where have you been?
• 36:15
  Okay. He is like, here's the thing about Tobias, right?
• 36:19
  An amazing German magician, originally from Berlin, who's created amazing effects
• 36:23
  such as optics, which is a vanishing mobile phone.
• 36:26
  He's also created the liquid effects with your first finger and other versions
• 36:30
  where he takes like bottle caps and melts them onto tables and reshapes them.
• 36:34
  Very surreal type magic. The silhouette, the shadow silhouettes as well.
• 36:39
  Yeah. Yeah. So he's very surreal, amazing, original ideas and effects.
• 36:44
  This for me was my most inspiring moment because he's doing a lot of things
• 36:48
  with like resins and molding and printing and things like that.
• 36:51
  And I'm totally inspired because there's so many gaps that I've been trying
• 36:54
  to ask people to help me with that they don't or can't.
• 36:58
  And after hanging out with him and draining him of all his knowledge,
• 37:03
  he's just been like, start doing it yourself.
• 37:05
  I'm like, I'm going to start doing it myself. So thank you so much for inspiring
• 37:08
  me. In fact, we're going to catch up again in Vegas because we're arriving at the same time.
• 37:12
  He's got some prototypes for me. But here's what it's like hanging out with Tobias, right?
• 37:17
  The first thing I want to commend him for before I get into that is that he
• 37:20
  had never actually done a 45-minute show before.
• 37:26
  He's only just created magic and done little bits of Bob, but he's never actually
• 37:30
  done a show start to finish.
• 37:32
  This was his first attempt at doing it. And from all accounts, what I heard,
• 37:36
  it was amazing because he basically just got up and found a way to purposely
• 37:43
  inject everything he's created along with all this silhouette stuff,
• 37:48
  all this shadow stuff, all the things with the candy man gimmicks where you
• 37:52
  hold your hand out like this and the candies appear in your hand, like all that stuff.
• 37:55
  He managed to make it all make sense and make it coherent and put it into his show.
• 38:00
  An absolute genius presentation of all these beautiful ideas.
• 38:04
  So full credit to him for doing that for the first time. If it wasn't for the
• 38:07
  magic festival, he probably wouldn't have done that.
• 38:08
  So he really enjoyed that experience for himself. And we were super happy to
• 38:12
  be able to share that without all the people who came to the festival.
• 38:15
  But then outside of that, we go and we hang out at this bar after every night.
• 38:22
  He has this bum bag, little fanny pack.
• 38:26
  And in it is endless hours of awesome.
• 38:31
  Endless hours of awesome. He's got like all these test gimmicks, this and that.
• 38:36
  My favorite thing that he did is like, he'll have like a gin and soda and then
• 38:41
  he'll like reach into it and just take out a cucumber and then give it a shake and it's a coin.
• 38:47
  I hope we get to see some of that at Magic Live.
• 38:50
  Yeah. That's pretty wild. It's just amazing.
• 38:53
  He's got all these liquid things melting. he bleeds from the
• 38:56
  head doing stuff he's got this pet fly he does
• 38:59
  amazing things with i almost don't want to give away
• 39:02
  like what it was like experiencing it but i tell you what man
• 39:05
  like every night we're hanging out and he's just reaching into this
• 39:07
  bag being like oh give me a second and just and then he just pulls stuff out
• 39:11
  and does like this amazing mind-blowing how does that how is that even possible
• 39:15
  stuff like it was the best because he was also pretty private with it too hey
• 39:20
  like he was like all right guys don't film this because i'm you know i just
• 39:23
  want this to be able to be a thing I can show people in real life.
• 39:26
  Yep. It was literally just stuff he's been working on. And I,
• 39:29
  and as a result, we were just literally like, everyone put your phones away, put you like that.
• 39:34
  And like, if anyone was doing this, I'm like, get it out.
• 39:37
  No, no, no, no, no. Like, it was just like, this is something that you only
• 39:40
  get to experience by being here and seeing it. So it was just so great.
• 39:47
  That's cool. I can't wait. Did he lecture as well? I guess he did, huh?
• 39:51
  He did lecture. He was polite enough to gift me Liquid Spectrum,
• 39:56
  where you can melt little things across the table. Great package.
• 39:59
  We have that at Trick Supply. It's a beautiful thing.
• 40:02
  Man, that looks like really so surreal, doing that melting thing.
• 40:08
  Like the Sharpie with Liquid Spectrum is very cool.
• 40:13
  What, Doug, have you played with it a little bit? I haven't played with it,
• 40:17
  but I had a magician in the shop about a week ago who was quite familiar with
• 40:21
  it and went through some of the handlings and was definitely inspiring.
• 40:25
  Unfortunately, I can't buy everything. And that one's a little bit of a premium
• 40:30
  item. So I just haven't waited in that ballpark yet.
• 40:33
  But I love the package. There's a lot in there.
• 40:36
  Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I guess my question was going to be, is it appropriate
• 40:40
  for a worker to use in a working sitch? Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:45
  You know, it is limiting in that you need a table surface. So like I said earlier,
• 40:49
  maybe we don't decide to go that direction.
• 40:51
  I think it's maybe more appealing to the social performer, but certainly,
• 40:56
  like I said, that Sharpie, the Sharpie marker, you can find moments to use that
• 41:00
  and it's a hundred percent practical. Yeah, sure.
• 41:04
  Am all right there goes part of my magic live budget
• 41:07
  yeah yeah i
• 41:10
  don't know how you guys feel about magic live coming up so
• 41:13
  i will be flying out next week like a week from today and getting up there a
• 41:18
  bit early i'm just gonna sit by the pool at the excelsior and just be nice and
• 41:22
  chill until we get to the orleans and run amok thinking about maybe seeing the
• 41:26
  punk rock museum doug if you're up for that so we'll you know we'll run amok
• 41:30
  whilst we're doing stuff but Well, guess what I'm doing?
• 41:33
  I'm seeing the night before Magic Live, I'm going to the Sphere to see Backstreet Boys, baby.
• 41:39
  That's so cool. That is so cool.
• 41:43
  Backstreet's back, all right. All right. Yeah, it's going to be magical.
• 41:47
  It is my fiance's dream to see them live. You know, they were all her boyfriend's
• 41:53
  in her head when she was a teenager.
• 41:55
  It's her dream coming true. A little bit of mine as well. But there's nothing
• 41:59
  more you want to do before seeing 2,000 guys just go to an all-guys concert beforehand.
• 42:05
  So that's what we're doing. The amount of girls that are going to be at that
• 42:07
  concert is going to be insane, though. Like, bring earplugs.
• 42:10
  There's going to be that high screech.
• 42:12
  Like it'll be a bunch of a bunch of milfs yeah yeah yeah hey but that's good too that's my scene,
• 42:23
  that is gonna be my wife it is gonna be super
• 42:26
  weird just seeing a bunch of 40 year olds going crazy but i'm there for it i
• 42:31
  think it'll be fair well i think what we do as well is we'll open up a discord
• 42:36
  channel for magic lives specifically because i don't know how many how many
• 42:40
  listeners There's a rock in Magic Live this year, but there's got to be some.
• 42:44
  So let's make a little channel so it's easy to communicate with one another.
• 42:48
  And if we're going to be somewhere where we can all jam or whatever.
• 42:52
  Maybe we'll drop it in there and that way we can all sort of stick together.
• 42:57
  What do you guys think? Yeah, maybe a schedule or a meetup for anyone that wants to meet up.
• 43:03
  Yeah, for sure. We're actually spitballing some ideas.
• 43:06
  And now that there's so many guys in the chat right now, if you guys are going to be around,
• 43:11
  like what would you like to see what would you like to do like should we
• 43:14
  do the podcast live on a day that's you know
• 43:16
  maybe like in the evening when everything's all done like where
• 43:20
  we all just like go into Doug's room and Rady's bar
• 43:23
  fridge and you know and do an episode
• 43:26
  in there like do we try to steal as shove as many people into
• 43:29
  a room as we can and interview them like I don't know like or
• 43:32
  do we just miss that one week and try to gather as much information as
• 43:35
  we can so we can report to you the week after and capture things
• 43:38
  on video perhaps like we're not sure the best way
• 43:41
  to capture it because it's the first time it's gonna
• 43:44
  be the first time that our worlds collide and we actually meet in person which
• 43:47
  is going to be all three of us i mean meet in person so yeah i can't wait to
• 43:52
  know what doug smells like i'm just i've been so curious for a long time i never
• 43:56
  tell through the screen whoever guesses the closest wins a prize i'm gonna guess
• 44:02
  smells like vitamins and pee,
• 44:04
  It's a good guess.
• 44:10
  There's another smell you might associate with me, but you'll have to get to
• 44:14
  Vegas to appreciate that smell. Oh, that's a good time.
• 44:18
  I imagine that your cologne is Hugo Boss. My cologne is Mary Jane.
• 44:27
  I like it. Scotty says, Doug smells like hats. Okay. That's a good guess too. That's a good guess.
• 44:35
  I like it. Well, maybe that can be its own clip. Revealing the scent of Doug.
• 44:41
  Maybe that could be a... Yeah, that's a segment.
• 44:45
  We're going to try and find out how many magicians would be like, what do they smell like?
• 44:49
  Yeah. Maybe that's a cologne we bring out for the Magic Eyes,
• 44:52
  a merch line, and it's called Hats by Doug.
• 44:56
  Again, how the hell did we win a Fism Award with this trash?
• 45:00
  Dude, we talk about so much nonsense that it's really bizarre.
• 45:04
  You know, real talk, though, what would be interesting is if they keep this category,
• 45:08
  it'll be interesting to see what production value people step up to for knowing
• 45:13
  that the category will happen again in three years or what podcasts might start
• 45:17
  knowing there's recognition involved, you know.
• 45:20
  So I'm pretty excited for that, for people to kind of up their game and not
• 45:24
  make it just jumping on Zoom and talking like no one's listening for two hours.
• 45:29
  I believe this. The reason we won is because of the live stream effort.
• 45:33
  And I think as we move forward in times of AI and overloaded social media videos,
• 45:39
  that humans are looking to connect with their kindred spirits in a live setting.
• 45:45
  And that is likely what made the difference for us.
• 45:48
  So if you're out there reaching for those FISM stars, I would suggest looking
• 45:53
  at live streaming for your endeavors.
• 45:56
  Podcasts, social media, you know, just sharing your art in general.
• 46:00
  I think this is the way of the future. Yeah.
• 46:02
  I think you're right, man. It's the way to know it's not edited or AI or because it's in real time.
• 46:09
  Yeah, it's instant feedback with the people watching you as well.
• 46:13
  I mean, this podcast was very much inspired by Deccan Around,
• 46:16
  which I believe if they were still doing their pod, they would have won because
• 46:20
  they were healing it with their community and the guests and doing it live.
• 46:25
  They just obviously have busy lives and passed on the torch,
• 46:30
  but it's the way to go, 100%.
• 46:32
  It's hard to do. It's a labor of love. It is. And man. Yeah.
• 46:36
  Yeah. Crushing it. I've been weak the last few months and like missing a few
• 46:40
  and y'all just hammering it every time I'm not here.
• 46:44
  So, uh, kudos. I think that, I think the fact that there is three of us does
• 46:49
  help in making sure that we do it.
• 46:52
  Like if it was just one person always going live, like it'd be easy to just
• 46:56
  let yourself down and not do it for a week. Yeah. Knowing that there's other guys.
• 47:00
  Like two, two is maybe not enough either. so yeah three
• 47:02
  three is good yeah yeah three is
• 47:05
  as doug would say is gooder yeah it's
• 47:09
  good that's right yeah but there was a level of planning
• 47:11
  that we put into it as well like we we we there was a level of care and genuine
• 47:16
  yeah like every week eight minutes before the show we put it together for you
• 47:20
  100 not entirely true like for example i write a lot of episodes which i basically
• 47:29
  save and I shelve into a folder.
• 47:31
  So like, for example, if I was to tell you what we have, potential things we
• 47:35
  could have coming up, we have history lessons of different magicians and people
• 47:39
  you might not have heard of.
• 47:40
  You know, there's things that I want to do on special days. Like on International
• 47:43
  Women's Day, I wanted to celebrate a particular female magician,
• 47:46
  you know, and I want that to be a surprise for you guys.
• 47:48
  On Australia Day, I wanted to talk about particular Australian magicians that
• 47:51
  you might not have heard of.
• 47:53
  What do you mean? There's many amazing female magicians we can celebrate.
• 47:57
  But it's not a surprise anymore. Well, no, no, no. You don't know who I'm going
• 48:01
  to celebrate. But what I'm saying is that we plan is the point. We plan and we care.
• 48:05
  We got this, like the true or false episode went really well.
• 48:09
  You guys, your feedback on that was like, more games, done.
• 48:12
  I've already written an awesome trivia one because I went out with some friends
• 48:16
  of mine, some magic friends of mine, and we did a trivia night.
• 48:18
  And I was like, this should be magic.
• 48:19
  And so I've got a trivia episode coming up for you guys. That's a good one. Yeah.
• 48:25
  Hell yeah. I bet there's technology out there where people can vote and it tallies
• 48:29
  the votes throughout the...
• 48:32
  The episode there's got to be something streamyard has in here that does that,
• 48:36
  doug was able to show us the thing where you can randomly pick someone from
• 48:39
  a spinning wheel there has to be a thing where it can tally a poll there is
• 48:43
  a yeah there is there there's different plugins that you can use or at least
• 48:47
  there's at least there's something like that,
• 48:50
  hell yeah that'd be next level they they
• 48:53
  offer different game different games and things
• 48:56
  like that ways to track viewer interactions well we
• 49:00
  can play that and obviously anyone who's home playing along
• 49:03
  gets an opportunity to you know whilst they're driving
• 49:06
  home just learn something in the process of like
• 49:09
  you know of listening to our part i think that's kind of important
• 49:12
  you know i think we bridge that pretty well as
• 49:14
  well as far as like if we're patting ourselves on the back and what we think
• 49:17
  we do well in the pod is that you know we try
• 49:20
  to compensate for people who aren't going to use the visual medium and
• 49:23
  see what we do as magic is a very visual medium
• 49:26
  so the exchange of knowledge i feel that we
• 49:30
  have is is very good i don't want to say it's better than everyone else's but
• 49:34
  i think the fact that we do it in speak pipes the fact that we do it live where
• 49:39
  people ask us questions and the fact that we do it through the discord and we
• 49:41
  have these jam sessions how many times have we said like i'm going to pop on
• 49:45
  for one hour we're going to jam for a little bit.
• 49:47
  And then I'm there seven hours later. Like it's ridiculous.
• 49:51
  Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. It's, but you know, not to take anything away
• 49:55
  from the other guys that were anyone that does a podcast, like it takes so much
• 49:59
  effort and we commend you for it.
• 50:01
  And you know, the magic, the magic, what are they?
• 50:05
  I always knew it as a wizard product review, but now it's the wizard magic review.
• 50:09
  I've watched them forever. You know, they've been doing, David Penn has been
• 50:12
  rocking that for over 10 years now, I'm sure.
• 50:16
  And so even that i'm a consumer of and
• 50:18
  it's a delight and so like anyone nominated i
• 50:21
  think it helped everyone from being
• 50:24
  nominated how did they not win how did scott wells not
• 50:27
  win the magic discord all of these all of
• 50:30
  these guys are doing great things on all the platforms did we did we rig it
• 50:34
  did y'all rigged it huh nor be to use some of that corporate cash to jimmy the
• 50:40
  election yeah well played josh a win is a win you know we use a non-profitable podcast to win.
• 50:49
  Yeah i guess again but again it's not a
• 50:52
  product review show which could be slanted it's not
• 50:55
  a you know it's not a corporate sponsored thing
• 50:59
  you know it's not you know it's not xyz
• 51:02
  presents it's just us hanging out doing the thing
• 51:05
  yeah that's it yeah it's all fun and i look forward to meeting a bunch of you
• 51:10
  at magic live if if you're there hopefully and obviously learning what doug
• 51:15
  smells like that's the best one of my favorite moments last year magic live
• 51:19
  was i get into an elevator this guy looks at me and says you're in a band.
• 51:29
  That's awesome he's like aren't you in a band and i just died i was like that
• 51:32
  is the best That is the best thing ever.
• 51:36
  The next, the next step is like, someone's going to have a tattoo and it's going
• 51:40
  to say like, I used to be in a band.
• 51:43
  I hear it from people in the shop all the time. Customers and tricks that apply
• 51:47
  are like, I love your podcast. I listen to it all the time.
• 51:50
  So I get feedback on the street regularly.
• 51:53
  Wow. That's so crazy, hey? Because we, it's still, yeah.
• 51:57
  So a guy came to the show last week that listens to it. And I was like, dude, that's so crazy.
• 52:02
  You know, you forget people even tune into this, which is very satisfying.
• 52:09
  Podcasts aside, the winners of FISM, Like, I mean, FISM is a whole episode to talk about in itself.
• 52:15
  And I'll be honest, I did a lot of my, I tried to doing as much diligence as
• 52:18
  possible to try and gauge what that experience was like.
• 52:21
  I have many notes written about that, but I felt like it'd be sort of impersonal to talk about it.
• 52:28
  One, not being there and experiencing it properly. And it would just be handing
• 52:32
  over third, fourth hand information.
• 52:34
  Well, I'm going to talk about shout out to Eric Evans for winning street magic.
• 52:38
  That's my brother from another mother, other student of Cellini and one of the
• 52:43
  wisest street magicians I've ever met.
• 52:46
  Broski bringing it home for North America. Love Eric Evans. He's been in my life for about 30 years.
• 52:53
  I'm going to shout out our very pale friend, Morton Christensen for winning the parlor as well. Woo.
• 53:01
  Let's go. Here's, I think what we need to happen is we have a FISM episode,
• 53:06
  but we need one of the FISM winners to come on and share their perspective of it.
• 53:10
  So whether it's Morton coming on again, or I have chatted with,
• 53:14
  Mark Hoby has promised to do one. He just hasn't, we just haven't scheduled a time.
• 53:18
  We got to get a FISM winner to come on the FISM podcast.
• 53:22
  That's got to be, that's a shoo-in. I'll ask Eric, but I'll tell you this,
• 53:26
  he's going to say this, hell no.
• 53:29
  He's like a ludite. He does participate in some social media.
• 53:33
  Maybe he will. That's funny. What was the temperature like, Doug,
• 53:37
  when they brought out the busking category? Like, were buskers interested?
• 53:41
  I was just enthusiastic that they would, you know, make a category for one of
• 53:46
  the most important forms of magic.
• 53:48
  You know, it's been ignored and not just ignored, but for so many years,
• 53:52
  the magic community looked down on buskers like they were a lower form of artists
• 53:57
  because they were working the streets.
• 53:59
  When in fact, the busker connects with more people than just about any other
• 54:03
  form of magic performer in the world, they should be cherished.
• 54:07
  So I don't, I don't know the general vibe of the buster community.
• 54:11
  I've been so involved with my own personal things lately. I don't know really
• 54:16
  what everyone was thinking, but personally, yay.
• 54:19
  And then one of our true students of the art, he, Eric wrote the secret art of magic.
• 54:24
  If you're not familiar with this book, he compared the Sun Tzu's art of war
• 54:32
  strategies to the battlegrounds of being a street performer.
• 54:36
  I've never read a more theoretical approach to performing magic and to diagnose
• 54:44
  it with that kind of mindset. It's such a high level of thought.
• 54:47
  And he was doing that 25 years ago that book was published. This man is a genius.
• 54:52
  They got it right. They awarded this award to a true artist and just one of
• 54:57
  the hardest working buskers in the world.
• 55:00
  And man, I couldn't be happier that all of it happened.
• 55:02
  And congratulations to everyone, again, who got out there and performed in the arena.
• 55:09
  Look, here's the thing about FISM. In the years that I've been doing magic,
• 55:13
  there was one year that people were trying to qualify for it here in Oz.
• 55:18
  And Simon Caronel won the close-up portion of it, sent him away.
• 55:21
  We also had auditions for the stage portion, and nobody got first place.
• 55:28
  They only gave away second.
• 55:31
  And that's because the criteria to score and be worthy of going there is so
• 55:38
  high that they didn't feel it with all the acts that actually tried to perform here in Oz.
• 55:44
  Nobody was good enough to actually go there and represent. so
• 55:47
  having that live that standard is so
• 55:51
  important because it's only going to inspire us to get better you
• 55:54
  know there's comments being made online to the
• 55:57
  effect of like you know things that one fism you
• 56:01
  know by fred caps back in the day for example nowadays wouldn't
• 56:04
  even get people to look twice at it they'd
• 56:07
  be like oh yeah that old thing you know and that's
• 56:10
  what it that's what it comes down to like one of the things that you get graded on is
• 56:13
  like new techniques and new methods new you know
• 56:16
  like here's an interesting topic we
• 56:20
  can write down because i'm playing devil's advocate i had
• 56:23
  a pretty i was reading comments on a social media thread where someone suggested
• 56:27
  that the competition aspect was bad for magic like maybe art should not be judged
• 56:34
  and do competitions actually better the art it's a couple minutes left probably too deep a question but.
• 56:43
  Look i think you know shout out to sean farquhar he sent us a personal message on instagram,
• 56:49
  congratulating us and he said he even jumped out of his chair and shouted
• 56:52
  at fism when they announced we'd won so that's
• 56:56
  so cool so i feel like he
• 56:59
  would be the right person to ask maybe at magic live we
• 57:02
  can do a quick 10 minute q a
• 57:05
  with him about competitions because you know
• 57:07
  he's won so many competed in so many it does
• 57:11
  force you to innovate which is a cool aspect
• 57:14
  but whether we should be judged against another obviously that's
• 57:17
  the the controversy but like it is a good way to
• 57:20
  like force you to come up with the stuff that people
• 57:23
  then love seeing but yeah good question bloody hell
• 57:26
  so much but that's the thing right the the
• 57:29
  grounds in which you're going to be judged on are so important
• 57:32
  okay like it's you know if you
• 57:35
  were to equate it to vehicles okay you'd be the type of thing
• 57:37
  where you're like okay we've got more followers so we're better like hang on
• 57:42
  a second like Toyota make more cars than Bugatti does but is is a Corolla better
• 57:47
  than a Bugatti like so there's all these sort of things you got to take a second
• 57:51
  and go like hey man things are different and the perspective of this sort of
• 57:55
  thing is interesting but there's got to be.
• 57:57
  Maybe there's got to be competition so that
• 58:00
  there's a barometer that we can sort of go oh that's a standard now i
• 58:04
  think that's what it takes to win because that is one problem
• 58:07
  with magic when people hire a magician there's no way to
• 58:09
  know what standard someone is
• 58:12
  that with yeah but what if you end up hiring the guy with the tony
• 58:15
  hasini award and not the real yeah fair
• 58:19
  enough fair enough also before we go before we
• 58:22
  go the judges that's the question who are the
• 58:25
  judges it should be the people at least majority and it's rarely that in a magic
• 58:30
  competition and i actually like magic competitions i'm not naysaying it i'm
• 58:34
  just you know playing yeah yeah and i think that provided we don't make it a
• 58:41
  kind of survivor type show you know what i mean where it's like.
• 58:45
  Vote this person off the island vote this person off
• 58:48
  the island like as long as we're not putting that power into the
• 58:52
  the spectator's hands as in the audience's hands i should say and
• 58:55
  there are proper judges they actually had that
• 58:58
  they had celebra cadabra in the united
• 59:01
  states about 10 or 15 years ago
• 59:04
  celebrities celebrities competing to be
• 59:07
  the best celebrity magician they were trained by
• 59:10
  professionals every week they would do their act and
• 59:13
  then they would get voted off if they were horrible to be
• 59:15
  clear they were all horrible i remember seeing
• 59:19
  some stuff of that and yeah and they they redid it
• 59:21
  in the uk same deal and watching like come
• 59:25
  on like if you think you can elaborate if you think
• 59:28
  in the space of one week yeah if you think
• 59:31
  in the space of one week you can be world-class magician like
• 59:34
  get get come on i mean an actor has a level up if you're an actor you're a little
• 59:39
  bit ahead of the game but you know if you're uh you know i don't know who they
• 59:43
  had on that show who was pretty b-level celebrities but that was a that was
• 59:48
  a bad case in point magic competitions thus.
• 59:53
  Yeah. And before we go as well, I just want to shout out our editor,
• 59:58
  Dylan Young, who's in the chat right now.
• 1:00:00
  He makes all of our shorts, all our shorts on Instagram.
• 1:00:03
  Dude, you're a part of the team. This award is very much yours as well.
• 1:00:07
  If you guys need any short edited clips, check him out.
• 1:00:11
  Instagram is the trick kid.
• 1:00:14
  And he's tagged in the comments of all our shorts. So big respect.
• 1:00:19
  Thank you for coming on the live, my friend. I've just been putting out some
• 1:00:21
  bangers lately. Some of these shorts have been really hot stuff.
• 1:00:25
  Yeah. Yeah. So one last thing before we sign off, we are going to be doing the
• 1:00:31
  episode a day earlier next week. Good point.
• 1:00:35
  Give me a heads up. We have an awesome guest who's coming to see.
• 1:00:38
  We want it to be a surprise, so make sure. Can we announce it?
• 1:00:41
  I think we could probably announce it because it's going to be a day early.
• 1:00:44
  Make it worth their time.
• 1:00:45
  The ever amazing
• 1:00:48
  john armstrong is coming to be on the podcast next
• 1:00:51
  week guys but mr tiny
• 1:00:54
  plunger himself yeah is going to be
• 1:00:57
  coming on the podcast and we cannot be more freaking excited exactly so if you
• 1:01:03
  are listening in the u.s it will be on the sunday and if here the guys in oz
• 1:01:09
  it will be on the monday so please take an opportunity to put it in your schedule
• 1:01:13
  so we can come and ask whatever questions you have.
• 1:01:16
  Thank you guys so much for listening. Any final words before we wrap up?
• 1:01:20
  I can't wait to hear what here. I can't wait to hear what Doug smells like.
• 1:01:24
  And Doug, what's your final word?
• 1:01:27
  It's pee.
• 1:01:30
  Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
• 1:01:36
  But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys. Woo!