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‘How to Money’ with Joel Larsgaard | Crazy Wedding Traditions · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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  Speaker 1: six forty.
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  Speaker 2: Thursday morning, October ninth, Handle here and the Morning Crew
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  Speaker 2: on peace breaking out in the Mid East. Really good news,
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  Speaker 2: Israeli spokesperson in this Fox News reporting peace plan has
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  Speaker 2: been finalized. The last part of it was that the
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  Speaker 2: Israeli Cabinet had to vote, but that was a given
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  Speaker 2: that was going to happen, and so hostages will be
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  Speaker 2: returned over the weekend, probably Sunday to Monday, both sides,
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  Speaker 2: Israeli hostages going back to Israel, Palestinian prisoners going back
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  Speaker 2: to Gosam, and so this is just phase one. Interestingly enough,
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  Speaker 2: Hamas caved completely on this. I never thought that was
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. All right, let's move into our Thursday segment,
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  Speaker 2: How to Money. Joel lars Guard a host of how
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  Speaker 2: to Money Sunday twelve two pm here on KFI. His
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  Speaker 2: address at how to Money Joel and howdomoney dot com.
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  Speaker 3: So that's Joel. I've pretty well done it all. So
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  Speaker 3: you can earn all the bases, Yeah, I certainly have.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a few things starting to I want
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  Speaker 2: to start covering.
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  Speaker 3: Chat bots.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you use chatbots and you're basically giving up all
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  Speaker 2: of your information. But my question is you do anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So why would you be more concerned with chatbots than not?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're right, like I think, I am just interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, from a philosophical standpoint, it's just interesting that
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  Speaker 4: chatbots are trained on material that other people have created
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  Speaker 4: throughout the years, much of which has not really been
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  Speaker 4: given permission. So that's why there's you know, a flory
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  Speaker 4: of lawsuits and and deals partnerships being made with some
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  Speaker 4: of the AI companies and large publishers like The New
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  Speaker 4: York Times. But obviously we know about like chatbots or
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  Speaker 4: turning to artificial intelligence. We've talked about this before, you
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  Speaker 4: and I about getting your financial advice. There there's some hallucinations,
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  Speaker 4: there's some incorrect information. You have to be really careful,
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  Speaker 4: and oftentimes the best way to use AI is if
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  Speaker 4: you already have a firm grasp of the subject and
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  Speaker 4: you're kind of looking for additional help. But there was
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  Speaker 4: this interesting article in The Verge about how Facebook, which
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  Speaker 4: is known by Meta, is going to use your AI
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  Speaker 4: chats that you do under their platform to personalize the
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  Speaker 4: advertising that it serves up to you and when you
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  Speaker 4: see I mean, we've all seen the trend too of
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  Speaker 4: people getting a little more personal with some of these chatbots.
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  Speaker 4: There are like chatbot boyfriends and girlfriends, which weirds me out.
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  Speaker 4: But it's even hard to have them. That's really a thing.
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  Speaker 4: But it really is people going doing therapy with chatbots,
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  Speaker 4: which has I think certain pros and cons.
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  Speaker 1: And to think that all.
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  Speaker 4: Of that stuff is going to be used then against
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  Speaker 4: you to sell you stuff or to serve you at bads,
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  Speaker 4: I guess it freaks me out. It feels like another
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  Speaker 4: frontier that we're crossing.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird. I mean, it's a couple of things.
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  Speaker 2: Is every time I go on whatever website looking for information,
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  Speaker 2: two things happen. Number One, I'm asked, can we use
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  Speaker 2: your information for cookies? I will say yes, never got
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  Speaker 2: a cookie from them, Ever, say no, I know I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to get any cookies. By the way, that
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  Speaker 2: is just a horrible joke that I wanted to share
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  Speaker 2: with you. But I don't even know why we bother
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  Speaker 2: at this point. And you're right, the AI has so
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  Speaker 2: screwed up everything. Anybody who looks at AI for financial advice,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to follow what A has to say. Considering,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, you got hallucinations where they make stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: They'll talk about companies that don't exist that somehow have
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  Speaker 2: interfered or influence the company that you're interested in.
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  Speaker 3: Is are people being.
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  Speaker 2: Warned by the financial companies leave this stuff alone?
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  Speaker 3: Let the experts do this.
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  Speaker 4: No, I not really, And like I think even some
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  Speaker 4: of the financial companies are trying to be first to
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  Speaker 4: adopt utilizing AI inside of their platforms, like Robinhood is
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  Speaker 4: working on this right where you can get AI advice
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  Speaker 4: on the spot about trades you're hoping to make, or
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  Speaker 4: financial advice that you're curious about. I was on chat
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  Speaker 4: GBT recently and I was asking it about five twenty
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  Speaker 4: nine accounts and tax breaks in a particular state, and
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  Speaker 4: it was wrong. And I just knew that the information
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  Speaker 4: that served up was wrong because I was familiar with it,
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  Speaker 4: and it was just interesting to see that if you
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  Speaker 4: took that as gospel truth from the AI, you might
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  Speaker 4: miss out on some tax breaks you otherwise would have
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  Speaker 4: gotten in a particular state because because of that donation.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just because of the money you contribute to
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  Speaker 4: that account, and you just have to really be careful using.
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  Speaker 4: I'm also amazed by it, Like there's if you and
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  Speaker 4: I haven't used AI a whole lot. I try to
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  Speaker 4: I try to limit my usage. I'm amazed at some
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  Speaker 4: of the wonderful things that can spit out in the ways.
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  Speaker 4: It can be helpful, but it's truly a user beware situation,
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  Speaker 4: and especially when the stakes are ramped up and you
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  Speaker 4: could get served ads and be sold things based on
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  Speaker 4: some of those private interactions that you didn't realize about
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  Speaker 4: sensitive issues. We're going to then lead to product placement
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  Speaker 4: that you can find yourself in a weird place as
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  Speaker 4: a consumer.
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  Speaker 2: There, all right, Joel lars Guard how to Money every
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  Speaker 2: Sunday twelve to two pm here on KFI. And so
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  Speaker 2: here's what happens is Joel sends me ideas to talk
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  Speaker 2: about because he thinks these are what's happening in the
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  Speaker 2: world of finance and the economy. And I go, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So the one that I really enjoy consumer has been
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  Speaker 2: a doting bnpls into their lives.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what that means, right.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea what a BNPL is none whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Ok how about telling.
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  Speaker 1: Me maybe this is a generational thing. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, and I might be straddling it right in the
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  Speaker 4: middle as an elder millennial. But by now, buy now,
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  Speaker 4: pay later is what you know about.
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  Speaker 3: All you have to do is say buy now, pay later.
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  Speaker 1: I like to abbreviate things, Bill, no kidding.
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  Speaker 3: So now I sound like a moron, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't have to.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we've been buying two consumers way too many bn LB's, bnlps, bnpls, bnpls.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that too. Yeah, and let's talk about that for
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  Speaker 3: a moment.
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  Speaker 4: This is something I've been warning about for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And it's interesting, like the it feels like the chickens
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  Speaker 4: are coming home to roost. And I really don't want
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  Speaker 4: to be the guy that says I told you so,
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  Speaker 4: but I told you so and uh. And it seemed
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  Speaker 4: like this harmless thing, like this new way to pay,
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  Speaker 4: How bad could it really be? And basically it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just break up is like a modern version of layaway,
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  Speaker 4: but you get the item when you want it, and
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  Speaker 4: then you pay for it later after the fact. And
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  Speaker 4: guess what, you don't pay interest like you would if
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  Speaker 4: you didn't pay your credit card bill on time. So
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  Speaker 4: what's what's not to love? Well, there are interestees if
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  Speaker 4: you don't make your payments on time. They can be
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  Speaker 4: up to thirty six percent, even higher than your average
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  Speaker 4: credit card interest rate. Then there can be other fees
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  Speaker 4: if you don't make make payments on time as well,
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  Speaker 4: late fees, and so in addition to that, you're just
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  Speaker 4: seeing a whole group of young consumers who didn't really
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  Speaker 4: have the understanding of what they were getting into, start
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  Speaker 4: to just get used to buying stuff with buy now,
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  Speaker 4: Pay Later, which is like Klarna, an after pay that
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  Speaker 4: you'll see when you're shopping at various websites, and so
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  Speaker 4: they just say, yeah, I'm gonna get that new handbag,
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  Speaker 4: I guess because I can pay for it for easy installments.
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  Speaker 4: And the credit limits from buy now, Pay later companies
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  Speaker 4: are much higher than they have been from credit cards tradition,
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  Speaker 4: and so people are just getting themselves into tons of
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  Speaker 4: trouble and they're ruining their finances from something that seemed
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  Speaker 4: like it was kind of harmless and ultimately was about
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  Speaker 4: as harmful as I said it was going to be.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you could say the same thing with credit cards.
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  Speaker 2: You can know that are relatively harmless, except when you
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  Speaker 2: start racking up the amount of money and making minimum payments.
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  Speaker 3: And you're in a world of hurt.
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  Speaker 2: But to your point about this being a generational and
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  Speaker 2: as a kid when I was growing up and my
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  Speaker 2: parents and in your case, your grandparents came out of
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  Speaker 2: the depression and the thought of not paying for something
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  Speaker 2: and paying late. Other than mortgages, you just bought stuff
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  Speaker 2: and you paid for it in advance or you paid
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  Speaker 2: for it right there, and it's just a it's just
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  Speaker 2: a way of thinking where.
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  Speaker 1: It's so old school though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and but you don't get in trouble and yet
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  Speaker 2: you live a reasonable life. Why are our our parents
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  Speaker 2: my case, grandparents, how come they have money and retired
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  Speaker 2: with money and you're not going.
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  Speaker 1: To right, Yeah, that's a huge part of it.
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  Speaker 4: And you mentioned credit cards, and you're right, like something
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  Speaker 4: like fifty percent of Americans use credit cards really poorly,
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  Speaker 4: like they have a recurring balance. The average recurring credit
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  Speaker 4: card balance is something like seven thousand dollars a month,
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  Speaker 4: and you're paying twenty two percent interest on that balance.
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  Speaker 4: And I am very very much against that, and I
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  Speaker 4: want people if they're going to use credit cards to
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  Speaker 4: use them wisely. And I guess potentially there's a way
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  Speaker 4: to use by now pay later wisely. I just don't
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  Speaker 4: know what the use case is for it. You're really
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  Speaker 4: just trying to delay the pain, And with credit cards,
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  Speaker 4: you're not just trying to delay the pain. You're actually
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  Speaker 4: there are other reasons to use credit cards. For instance, right,
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  Speaker 4: there are rewards that you can garner from using credit
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  Speaker 4: cards that you don't get when you're using debit cards.
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  Speaker 4: There are protections that you get when you use a
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  Speaker 4: credit card. Let's say an item that you bought wasn't
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  Speaker 4: as advertised or didn't get delivered. You can do a
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  Speaker 4: chargeback with the credit card company. You have legal rights
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  Speaker 4: when you pay with a credit card. And there's even
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  Speaker 4: buy now, pay later for travel is becoming more of
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  Speaker 4: a thing, And there was this new nerd Wallet study
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  Speaker 4: that found something like one in five travelers you're planning
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  Speaker 4: on using buy now, Paid later to spread out their
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  Speaker 4: payments for travel. Well, you just you don't have the
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  Speaker 4: same recourse if your travel it take goes to hell,
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  Speaker 4: like you just don't, and so you have to be
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  Speaker 4: careful when you're using this as a form of payment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, My thing is that debit cards where I am
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  Speaker 2: so adamantly against debit cards because first of all, you
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  Speaker 2: have to have the money inside your account to use
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  Speaker 2: a debit card. And to your point, let's say someone
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  Speaker 2: hacks in there, or something is wrong or someone gets it.
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  Speaker 2: That's your money you're chasing. Credit card company, is their
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  Speaker 2: money you're chasing.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: And so if fraud happens and your your money is gone,
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  Speaker 2: your money is gone. If fraud happens and you owe
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  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars on a bad or they say you
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  Speaker 2: two grand and someone has defrauded you.
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  Speaker 3: You're off THEO.
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  Speaker 4: And if you can use your credit card like it
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  Speaker 4: is a debit card, use it in that way where
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  Speaker 4: you're only spending money that you actually have, and you
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  Speaker 4: keep yourself safe in that way, then I think credit
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  Speaker 4: cards are that best of both worlds because of those protections,
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  Speaker 4: because the benefits you get. But yeah, buy now, pay later,
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  Speaker 4: it's literally just an attempt to be able to buy more.
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  Speaker 1: And the retailers know this.
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  Speaker 4: The reason they offer buy now, pay later upon checkout
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  Speaker 4: is because people end up adding our stuff to the card.
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  Speaker 4: People buy something like ten percent more if they have
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  Speaker 4: a buy now, pay later option, So we are literally
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  Speaker 4: consuming more because we have this at our disposal. And
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  Speaker 4: then it's what we're hamstering ourselves and messing ourselves up
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  Speaker 4: and harming our finances.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, you have a new product that you use
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  Speaker 2: and you've got five easy payments or three easy payments
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  Speaker 2: over the course of the next six months, and all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's not as good as you thought
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And now what you're paying for something?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I just bought an air fryer and
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  Speaker 2: it was you know, I paid for as an Emerald
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  Speaker 2: Lagasi or something, and it's, uh, it's a piece of
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  Speaker 2: crap for me. What what am I doing here? You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just this. It got great reviews, and I think
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  Speaker 2: the reviewers were all drunk.
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  Speaker 1: In any case, I think the airs are overrated too.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, I love air friers. I hear fright.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I hear fry everything. Yeah, I love stuff
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  Speaker 2: air fried.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'll have to give it another shot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I I even air fry products that
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  Speaker 2: say do not air fry.
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  Speaker 3: It's just.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Joel Bay, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: We're done. Sunday morning. Well, Sunday afternoon, twelve to two.
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  Speaker 2: Address social address at how to Money Joel and the
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  Speaker 2: website howtomoney dot com. Joel, you have a good one.
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  Speaker 2: It is a Thursday morning, October ninth. I saw a
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  Speaker 2: video a couple of days ago that I thought was
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting. He has to do with a wedding
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  Speaker 2: in Syria and the wedding party and they're going down
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  Speaker 2: the street and it's your typical Mideastern web and they're
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  Speaker 2: dancing and singing a lot of food and the obligatory
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  Speaker 2: is what they do, because that's just that's what the
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  Speaker 2: women do. And the other thing that happens a lot
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  Speaker 2: is the guns come out and the guns get shy,
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  Speaker 2: and of course no one gets hit, and they just
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  Speaker 2: shoot the guns in the air. And you see that
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  Speaker 2: all the time in celebration. Now, a couple of things happen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they understand that bullets come down
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  Speaker 2: after they go up, and people get hurt and people
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  Speaker 2: get killed, which is why I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: a myth that on New Year's Eve all the cops
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  Speaker 2: go underneath the bridges because people shoot guns in the air.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's an urban myth or not.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is that's can be very dangerous stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just something in Syria. They're trying to stop
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  Speaker 2: it because under Asad you weren't allowed to do that,
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  Speaker 2: but it didn't matter. Everybody did anyway, and so there's
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  Speaker 2: a real problem. The new regime in Syria is trying
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  Speaker 2: to put a stop to it because it's it can
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  Speaker 2: be dangerous. So then I started looking at kind of
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  Speaker 2: crazy ways that people get married and the wedding rituals
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  Speaker 2: around the world. Now my wedding and Neil will attest
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  Speaker 2: to this, and you can go to the at Bill
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  Speaker 2: Handle Show and there's a little snippet of it about
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  Speaker 2: a minute. I did a typical Jewish wedding, and a
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  Speaker 2: typical Jewish wedding means that you eat, and you eat
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and there is food from start to finish
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  Speaker 2: because the mantra of Jews, as you know, is they came,
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  Speaker 2: they killed this, let's eat. That's what we do and
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  Speaker 2: it's big part of weddings. Now, let me tell you
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  Speaker 2: what's going on in the rest of the world. In Scotland,
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  Speaker 2: there is something called the blackening of the bride and
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  Speaker 2: groom and it's not what you think. It is not
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  Speaker 2: politically incorrect. It's a pre wedding custom called blackening. Friends
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  Speaker 2: and family members throw substances at the bride and groom, mud,
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  Speaker 2: rotten food, feathers, and that's believed to prepare the couple
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  Speaker 2: for challenges they may face and married life in case
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  Speaker 2: anybody throws feathers at you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: In Germany, log cutting, the Julia Weeds worked together and
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  Speaker 2: they saw through a log in front of their wedding guests.
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  Speaker 2: It symbolizes the couple's ability to overcome obstacles like logs
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  Speaker 2: that are in the front of the house.
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  Speaker 3: They have to saw through.
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  Speaker 2: In Roma, the Gypsy culture, it's kidnapping the bride. Common
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  Speaker 2: for a man to kidnap the woman he wishes to marry,
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  Speaker 2: and then with the help of friends, the groom to
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  Speaker 2: be abducts his wife, takes through his house and then
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  Speaker 2: they negotiate, and of course everybody's happy. And that's just
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  Speaker 2: a ritual thing. African culture. African American culture, jumping the broom.
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  Speaker 2: Now you've seen that, and this comes out of the
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  Speaker 2: slavery when the blacks weren't allowed slaves weren't allowed to
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  Speaker 2: marry each other. I mean just didn't have ceremonies, wasn't allowed.
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  Speaker 2: So it became jumping the broom, where literally a broom
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  Speaker 2: was put on the ground and the bride and groom
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  Speaker 2: would jump over it and that signifies the entrance into
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  Speaker 2: a new life together. Indonesia is my favorite one. No
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  Speaker 2: bathroom for three nights. The tik Don community of Indonesia
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  Speaker 2: confines couples. A couple to their house, family and friends
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  Speaker 2: smear the couple with a mixture of rice flour ash.
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  Speaker 2: That's symbolizing the transition from single to married life.
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  Speaker 3: You go figure that one out.
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  Speaker 2: They're not allowed to use the bathroom for three days,
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  Speaker 2: and ostensibly this helps the couple bond and to develop
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  Speaker 2: a strong foundation for their marriage. Really, okay, that would
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  Speaker 2: work for me, you know, just my bride to be
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  Speaker 2: squatting in the corner, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: In Sweden, there is the kissing tradition.
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  Speaker 2: All the male guests are allowed to kiss the bride
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  Speaker 2: if the groom leaves the room. If the bride leaves
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  Speaker 2: her seat, the female guests can line up to kiss
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  Speaker 2: the groom and if they both leave, then a full
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  Speaker 2: blown orgy occurs with every guest at the wedding, hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of people India stealing the groom shoes. This is where
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  Speaker 2: the bride's sister and female cousins attempt to steal the
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  Speaker 2: groom shoes and hide them. And then the groom negotiates
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  Speaker 2: with the women to get his shoes back, and they
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  Speaker 2: bargain and they have a good time, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: a ritual that they do. Grease plate smashing. Of course,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: everybody knows that in Greece you smash the plates and
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: wedding guests break the dishes. That wars off evil spirits,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: brings good luck to the newly weds as well as
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of shards. The couple then cleans up, puts
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the broken pieces together, and it symbolizes the ability to
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  Speaker 2: handle life's challenges. Then you have in South Korea. Those
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: South Koreans are a boy, They're a barrel of fun.
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  Speaker 3: The groom's feet beating wedding tradition.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: There is a ritual known as ball and bay, or
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the groom's feet beating. So after the wedding ceremony, the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: groom's friends and family remove his shoes and socks, tie
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: his ankles together and proceed to beat the soles of
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: his shoes with a stick, a rod, or even dried fish.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I want to make a point here, Okay. I know
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that having the soles of your feet being beaten with
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: dried fish sounds a little bit weird, but don't try
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it till you don't knock it till you've tried. Okay,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I can tell you from personal experience it ain't bad.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: And this is to serve as a bonding experience for
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the newly ways.
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  Speaker 3: Hey don't we like getting married? Okay?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: A topic that I've sort of been pitching for a while,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: and I've been making fun of this when I say
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Elmer's Glue is a factory is going to be built here,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and some Pyranda dog food factory is going to be
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: built here, and it has to do with horses, And
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: as I joke, this is absolutely true.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Mono Lake. I don't know if you've ever been
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: to Mono Lake.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the Sierra on Nevada Mountain and it's this
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: lake area's beautiful and it has these rock columns that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: are unique and they look like mars.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Well, horses are all over them.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: And the government, federal government says we had to movies out,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and boy, what an emotional disagreement about the future of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: this herd. The Mono Lake Committee had this bart say
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Miller said, these horses deserve a place to roam and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: be free, but not around on a lake. This is
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a tourist place. This is a piece a landscape that
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: exists only here and we do not need want horses
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to trample it all over all over this place.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: So earlier this year, the Forest Service and Bureau.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Of Land Management approved a plan to round up and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: remove hundreds of these wild horses beyond the two hundred
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: thousand acres give or take, designated for these horses along
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: California and Nevada border. Now it makes sense because environmentals
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: say the horses are degrading the landscape, including the bird
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: habitat which is disappearing, and that tufa rock columns which
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: are unique. Ranchers say the animals are gobbling down the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: plants needed to sustain the cattle. Federal officials say the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: safety hazard posed by horses.
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  Speaker 3: Alone is a problem. Is a wander onto highways.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Now the other side of the coin, this is a travesty. Now,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: one method that the government is proposing, it has been
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: used before, is to use helicopters to drive them into
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a trap where they are then trapped and then handed
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: over to Elmwurst. No, that's not true, and then they
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: are dealt with, usually shipped away to a horse sanctuary
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: or to a place where it's not Mono Lake, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: they don't do that kind of damage. Animal welfare groups
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: say that's dangerous, deadly for the horses, and there's even
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a pending federal bill that says no to that. So
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: local tribes and nonprofits have prevented a partner to fight
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the roundup plan, saying that the indigenous community should be
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: tapped to manage the animals that rome ancestral lands. Then
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you have another group of planets suing the government saying
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: it is your job to protect those horses and you're
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: a nigging on that that you are breaking the law.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of this is crazy.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Ronda Kak who is a member of the Mono Lake Kutsaduka,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: forget me if I'm pronouncing it wrong. The Kutzaidoka tribe said,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we're all living spirits and it's sad that people just
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: don't care about another living thing because they think it
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't belong there by the way. She died of a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: rattlesnake bite right after saying that. I just want to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: point that out. We're all wonderful living creatures. So today,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: if you go to warm springs on the eastern edge
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of Mono Lake, pounds of horse manure are there.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: It is a mess.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: The vegetation has been nibbled down to nothing and it's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: a real problem. The Mono Lake Committee's Eastern Sierra Policy
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: director and Jeff McQuilkin said, as he said, look at
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: what's happening. He did this tour and he said, there's
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a limited water supply here. The wildlife all compete for it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: The birds that would have a safe hayden and be
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: hidden away from the raptors and predators don't have the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: opportunity to hide anymore. And this all started in twenty fifteen.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Now Here is the fun part, Okay, This is the
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: part that I really love, and that is there is
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a group of Indians, the one tribe, the Utu goadaut
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Wuya to pay you tribe, sorry again about the pronunciation,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: are among the coalition wants to pause these roundups. They
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: want to secure land back to set aside a sanctuary
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: for horses.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: To roam. They want to say, we'll take care of it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: What we're going to do is we're going to dart
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the horses with birth control. We're going to limit their growth,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and we're going to take the resisting horses and put
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: them to work at pack stations, equine therapy and rodeo
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: schools for the kids. Now that segues right into the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: glue factory, because that makes more sense, doesn't it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: We're done. That's it, Peene.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow is Friday, as you probably know, and to be
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: we come back tomorrow, we start all over again. Wake up,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: call Amy and Mike Morris. I think is still here
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: tomorrow he is. One more day, one more day, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: then we have Will comes back. Will doesn't yet know
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't have a job when he comes back,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: but he'll find out on Monday. He'll be a surprise.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And then I'm Neil and I come aboard at six
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: o'clock to right now. And then of course Kono and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Ann who have a reasonable chance of being here on Monday,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Gary and Shannon. Next, this is KF I am six forty.
• 25:03
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